Gabby Giffords: “Fight, fight, fight.”



AP: Former Rep. Gabrielle Giffords returned to the scene of the horrific shooting that wounded her and killed six people two years ago, urging senators Wednesday to pass background checks for gun purchases in her first public event at the site since the rampage.

Giffords, who is still recovering from her injuries, spoke fewer than 20 words in the parking lot of the Safeway grocery store in her hometown of Tucson in a brief but emotional call for stricter gun control measures.

“Be bold. Be courageous,” Giffords said. “Please support background checks.”

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Gabrielle Giffords listens to a speaker Wednesday as an emotional husband Mark Kelly hugs her during a return to the site of a shooting in Tucson, Ariz., that left her critically wounded




284 Responses to “Gabby Giffords: “Fight, fight, fight.””

  1. 1 Nena20409
    March 6, 2013 at 8:14 pm

    Good Evening TODers.

  2. March 6, 2013 at 8:15 pm

    Missed you Chipsticks is hope all is well?

  3. 16 Nena20409
    March 6, 2013 at 8:15 pm

    I just saw a leave a message…..I have just checked in. I hope all is well.


  4. 24 utaustinliberal
    March 6, 2013 at 8:18 pm

    Jon Favreau is winning Twitter this week.

    • 25 dotster3
      March 6, 2013 at 8:44 pm

      So ABC News is following Crazy Birther Louie Gohmert’s lead (proposed no security transportation for PBO for golf because of WH tours suspension)—-and criticizing secret service protection for Obama to and from an event? Can this really be happening? Talk about a messed up media and a whacked out atmosphere in this country right now….beyond insane.

      • March 6, 2013 at 9:03 pm

        Does anyone really think the President of the United States, the leader of the free world coordinates the White House touring schedule? If the idiot media would bother to read or just ask someone, they would have learned that the Secret Service canceled the tours. Secret Service does a lot of over time, so they made schedule adjustments to cut down on overtime expenses to avoid furloughs. Of course, that makes too much sense.

      • 27 4morefor44
        March 6, 2013 at 9:06 pm

        in essence it’s been this way for the last few decades. it’s just being exposed for what it is now with the internet and things such as twitter, where we can instantly call out the insanity. and not a moment too soon! forward!!

        • 28 jackiegrumbacher
          March 6, 2013 at 9:14 pm

          You’re right, 4 more, it’s always been like this, but now we’ve drawn back the curtain.

  5. 29 cookemom
    March 6, 2013 at 8:18 pm

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  6. March 6, 2013 at 8:18 pm

    Just posted at end of last thread, how is everyone doing tonight?

  7. 34 utaustinliberal
    March 6, 2013 at 8:19 pm

  8. March 6, 2013 at 8:19 pm

  9. March 6, 2013 at 8:21 pm

    They truly will destroy this country if we allow them …

    • 42 amk for obama
      March 6, 2013 at 9:09 pm

      Isn’t it too late to end the filibuster rule? harry fucked this up big time.

      • 43 nathkatun7
        March 6, 2013 at 10:01 pm

        Sorry Amk, but the filibuster reform that was not enacted by the Senate would not have prevented today’s Rand Paul filibuster. This is the kind of filibuster the reformers wanted because they were convinced that Republicans would be dissuaded by the public glare from mounting stupid filibusters. I am glad Reid is letting them have it. Now everyone knows that it’s nonsense to presume that if you went back to the talking filibuster that some how will prevent Republicans from mounting stupid filibusters. The problem here is not Harry Reid! The problem is these insane Republicans who are being enabled by the media.

        • 44 99ts
          March 6, 2013 at 10:15 pm

          Thank you nathk – every problem in the US is the republicans hate for the President – it all starts and ends with racism. NOTHING apart from decimation at the polls will stop them – and they are creating such dysfunction, aided and abetted by the media – that alot of dumb fools think the GOP is the solution.

          The Press screamed about wanting a President that did NOT join the Washington circuit – so they got a true blue family man – who has every value espoused by the GOP for 100 years – and they whinge – cause he doesn’t eat out with the Washington circuit. They are ALWAYS looking for a negative about the President – and when they find nothing – they LIE.

          • 45 LDS
            March 6, 2013 at 10:35 pm

            So true. You summarized it all just fine. They will reap what they sow.
            They were hoping for a snow storm today, so they would not have to work.
            Even Mother Nature told them……Uh- huh, not today. Take your lazy butts to work. At leat show up! Do something!

        • March 6, 2013 at 10:43 pm

          “The problem is these insane Republicans who are being enabled by the media.”

          In_deed, nath.

          Since they are going to abuse everything, and Senator Reid and the President know they have a much stronger ‘media’ than the #NEWSTAINERS, I just hope he drives them completely wild and pulls the ‘Constitutional option’!


      • March 6, 2013 at 11:08 pm

        Actually, it’s not amk. If you read the procedure of the ‘nuclear’ (aka Constitutional option) it can be done at anytime and the process can be initiated by any Senator. None of them will do it unless they know they have the votes (51 not 60). You can read about the procedure here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_option Key paragraphs are #3-4 under “Change to Senate Rules.” Not only can the procedure be used to end a filibuster, if it is successful it sets a precedent. At that point, the only way to reverse the precedent would be, in the next Congressional session to change the Senate rules to revert to enabling a bunch of domestic terrorists to destroy our democracy.


  10. March 6, 2013 at 8:21 pm

    This is a really great program if you are interested in NGO work or helping support Vets:

  11. 51 Nena20409
    March 6, 2013 at 8:22 pm

    I love Gabby Giffords. Such a Lovely lady. She and her husband are a Gem.

  12. March 6, 2013 at 8:24 pm

    Since “Aqua Budha” Rand Paul wants a tweet from A.G. Holder to stop the filibuster, here is one: Read this on the senate floor!

    • March 6, 2013 at 9:08 pm

      I’m not the sharpest knife in the drawer but this just requires a little common sense to me. If the police have the right to use lethal force, it’s hard to imagine that the Commander and Chief does not.

      • March 6, 2013 at 9:11 pm

        I’m dull as a rock and I think I figured that much out! I mean this moron thinks if we know where a terrorist is located in the U.S., we cant just call F.B.I, local authorities, DHS etc…..but I digress.

      • 56 nathkatun7
        March 6, 2013 at 10:42 pm

        In 1957, President Eisenhower sent federal troops to Little Rock, Arkansas to put down a rebellion that was intent on preventing nine black students from enrolling at Central High School. In 1962, President Kennedy sent federal troops to Oxford, Mississippi to quell the uprising by white Supremacists determined to prevent James Meredith from enrolling at at the Univ. of Mississippi. In 1963, JFK also sent federal troops to put the Black uprising in Birmingham, AL that erupted in response to the murder of 4 little girls. in 1967 LBJ sent federal troops to Detroit to put down Black rebellion. And then there Waco, TX under Bill Clinton. So WTF are these people talking about?

        • March 6, 2013 at 11:52 pm


        • 58 jacquelineoboomer
          March 7, 2013 at 12:17 am

          nath – Hate to write it, even, but look at what you described as past events for the “answer,” which, of course, you are intimating. In every case but Waco, troops were sent to protect blacks who were trying to rise up and take back their civil rights … some Neanderthals in this country never expected it would be a black President who finally had the same power to send whatever troops or weapon is needed, legally and as our Commander in Chief, so – all of a sudden – there’s got to be another “uprising” against him. Sickening.

          • 59 nathkatun7
            March 7, 2013 at 12:54 am

            You are absolutely right, JO! By the way I could have gone as far back as George Washington’s use of the military to put down the Whiskey rebellion. I can guarantee you that once we have another white dude in the White House all these new rules, objections, temper tantrums, hallucinations, etc., will be a thing of the past.

      • 61 nathkatun7
        March 6, 2013 at 11:37 pm

        Sorry, Fay! My comment below was totally in support of what you said; it was not meant as a critique of what you wrote. I agree with you that any one with common sense and a little knowledge of history, this whole debate about President Obama’s authority to use lethal force against citizens intent on harming the country is absolutely nonsensical. It seems that every other day, President Obama is held to different standards from those applied to his predecessors. I thought some specific examples were in order to illustrate the craziness going around about whether President Obama “has the authority to order lethal force against a U.S. citizen.”

        • 62 nathkatun7
          March 6, 2013 at 11:39 pm

          Meant the comment above not “below.”

          • March 7, 2013 at 7:07 am

            Actually Nath, I read it as agreement. We seem in accord on a lot of things…no harm done. It’s such a silly question to me and it actually points up the fact that the real problem for people is the “drone”….a ghostkiller. They haven’t a problem with people walking around strapped with assault weapons because they can put a face with the gun. Stupid people! They’ll be just as dead either way. 🙂

  13. March 6, 2013 at 8:25 pm

    So, in my effort to not cockpunch people after today’s events, I present for your edification the BEST CORNER KICK EVER. Enjoy.

    • March 6, 2013 at 9:35 pm

      Golly! That looks like the Evil Toon’s “Dip” Truck from Who Frame Roger Rabbit! 🙂

      • 66 Dudette
        March 6, 2013 at 9:37 pm

        Sigh! “Who Framed…”

        Good Lawd, I go away for a few days and still come back a sucky typist! 🙄

        Hi Everybody!!

        • 67 LDS
          March 6, 2013 at 10:38 pm

          Hey, Dudette!
          Missed you. How have you been?
          Welcome back.

        • 69 vcprezofan2
          March 6, 2013 at 11:38 pm

          Hmmmmm, Dudette, I did do a shout-out to you earlier today. ‘I go away for a few days…’ without notification 😯 Am I on speaking terms with you, Dudette?

          • 70 Dudette
            March 7, 2013 at 12:00 am

            Sorry VC. I missed that! No slight meant, dear. Work’s been kicking a sistah’s bootay! Hellacious hours. Avg 3-4 hrs sleep for the last week. [Sigh!]

            • 71 vcprezofan2
              March 7, 2013 at 12:09 am

              Your poor bootay! Are the obscene hours at an end or are you only holding your head up to catch a breath? Sure hope you’ve crossed over the work hump!
              No slight taken. The shout-out was just saying that I hadn’t seen you in a while and was meant as a ‘hug’ in case you peeked in. I wasn’t expecting an answer as I figured you were incommunicado. HOWEVEr, my statement above IS to rib you for disappearing without prior ‘permission’. 😉 😉

        • March 6, 2013 at 11:51 pm

          I didn’t even notice your error. I just missed you the last few days.

    • March 7, 2013 at 1:03 am

      How do the folks here in the US decide on a football team from overseas? Just curious. Not looking to start a fight.

  14. 78 utaustinliberal
    March 6, 2013 at 8:27 pm

  15. March 6, 2013 at 8:28 pm

    In honor of the courageous Gabby Giffords, a tribute memorial to all those lost to mass gun violence recently: Try making it through….

  16. 80 utaustinliberal
    March 6, 2013 at 8:31 pm

    Truth. Or rights for African-Americans and LGBT individuals. If you are not a white male who believes in batshit crazy nonsense, Rand Paul doesn’t give a crap about you.

  17. March 6, 2013 at 8:35 pm

    A nice post on the legacy of causes SOS Clinton pushed in her tenure as chief diplomat of the U.S.

    • 86 prettyfoot58
      March 6, 2013 at 9:34 pm

      i know that there is a lot of hype around this…but it was the President’s agenda…

      • 87 Dudette
        March 6, 2013 at 9:39 pm


      • March 6, 2013 at 9:39 pm

        Completely agreed, executed by Hillary. But you cant deny she has been pushing many of these issues for many years, PBO just gave her the authority and platform to accelerate them. And gentleman standing next to her, Raj Shah, is one of the most underappreciated members of this administration. Mark my words he will be a future SOS.

  18. March 6, 2013 at 8:37 pm

    A record 259 submissions were entered this year, I believe this courageous infant of a child stands almost above all…..

  19. 90 utaustinliberal
    March 6, 2013 at 8:51 pm

  20. 93 japa21
    March 6, 2013 at 8:54 pm

    • 94 Alycee (@jazziz2)
      March 6, 2013 at 9:51 pm

      One of these days, one of these ODS infected congresscritters will slip up and on the floor of the house/senate call him what they do in private. We be a truly sad day for our country…

  21. 96 utaustinliberal
    March 6, 2013 at 8:55 pm

    • 97 hopefruit2
      March 6, 2013 at 9:01 pm

      We hope the children are feeling better now that Dad has given them some attention.

      • 98 Ladyhawke
        March 6, 2013 at 9:37 pm

        The entire press briefing tomorrow will be about the dinner and Rand Paul. Ed “Cheshire Cat” Henry will undoubtedly complain about access. The jackals will want a read out of the meeting. They will want to know what was on the menu. It will be nauseating. I will only watch because I am crazy about Jay.

        • 99 jacquelineoboomer
          March 7, 2013 at 12:39 am

          *I will only watch because I am crazy about Jay*

          Love it! Amazing what we’ll watch because of that kind of reason!

        • March 7, 2013 at 1:09 am

          Heard before the the dinner it was some fancy chicken dish. My mind doesn’t remember those small details. Who invited who?

  22. 101 desertflower
    March 6, 2013 at 8:58 pm

    Hi all:) Just trying to catch up and didn’t know if you had seen this:

    March 05, 2013

    Lawmakers Think Voters are More Conservative
    A fascinating new study finds that politicians significantly overestimate the conservatism of their constituents on several key issues, including universal health care and same-sex marriage, the Huffington Post reports.

    For example, a survey of voters found they supported gay marriage and universal health care by 10 percentage points more than their own politicians had estimated in a separate survey. For conservative politicians, the spread was near 20 percentage points.

    The authors conclude: “Most politicians appear to believe they are representing constituents who are considerably different than their actual constituents.”


  23. 102 utaustinliberal
    March 6, 2013 at 9:03 pm

  24. 105 Jovie
    March 6, 2013 at 9:05 pm

    Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) is moving ahead without a Republican partner on legislation to expand background checks to private gun sales, a troubling sign for the centerpiece of President Obama’s gun-violence agenda.


    Stall, stall stall, beat up the President, lower poll numbers, stall and now it appears dead.

    Good job Democrats.


    This bunch of democrats we have in congress are pathetic and are letting us down. 😦

  25. 106 hopefruit2
    March 6, 2013 at 9:09 pm

  26. 110 prettyfoot58
    March 6, 2013 at 9:12 pm

    I listened in on the OFA call this evening…so much info…so much inspiration packed into 30 minutes…..

    i have begun composing letters to the “sensible” GOP members in my state….or should i say the vulnerable GOP members….i wanted to write instead of calling or emailing…i am hopeful that my friends and neighbors will join me in my letterwriting campaign to reach these GOP members…


  27. 119 hopefruit2
    March 6, 2013 at 9:15 pm

  28. March 6, 2013 at 9:18 pm

    A couple more photos/videos added to the post

  29. 123 Jovie
    March 6, 2013 at 9:25 pm

    President Obama dined with Republican senators at the Jefferson Hotel in DC Wednesday night and the outcome seemed somewhat positive, at least as far as the senators were concerned, according to a pool report:

    Pool witnessed McCain walked out of the meeting at 8:41 pm. A reporter asked how the meeting went. McCain said just fine and flashed a thumbs up. Coburn and other senators, Burr, Toomey and Corker emerged. Coburn made the same gesture — a thumbs up sign.

    As POLITICO’s Dylan Byers reports, the White House itself has treated the details of the dinner like state secrets.

    UPDATE: The White House appears to have divuged one detail, per another pool report that the president picked up the check: “The White House said POTUS paid for the dinner.”


    • March 6, 2013 at 9:37 pm

      Jovie, I am not at all impressed by the GOP’s new cooperative spirit. They’re trying to escape blame for the sequester and want to make certain people can’t point to their obstruction as the problem. If you’ll notice, everytime they seem to be advancing on a piece of legislation, someone gums up the works. They almost reach consensus on background checks, and suddenly Senator Colbert has a problem with a register; consensus mounts on immigration and a stalwart supporter suddenly flipflops. Brennan comes up for a vote and Paul filibusters.

      They just want to give the appearance of cooperation while they burn time. I don’t believe they have any intention of working with the President…they just want to be able to claim they tried and suggest he is the problem. Somebody will have a problem with a word, the salad fork or something. I hope I’m wrong.

  30. March 6, 2013 at 9:31 pm

    Nice profile of the dynamic duo, free to spread their wings…….and taking full advantage of it. Gotta love Veitor’s Avatar….

  31. 129 Jovie
    March 6, 2013 at 9:35 pm

    The President reached for his Wallet and realized his CCs are locked up in storage.
    He then asked the Secret Service for some loot, well, they are now broke too.
    Kelly Odonell-

  32. 130 Jovie
    March 6, 2013 at 9:37 pm

    McCain was asked what took so long? He replied, nobody had any money because of #sequester so we had to wash dishes.
    Luke Russert-

    • 131 99ts
      March 6, 2013 at 10:08 pm

      I am so sick of the stupid that is McCain – one day someone will tell the truth about this foolish, stupid person who thinks he should be King. May I be a fly on the pearly gates when he arrives.

  33. March 6, 2013 at 9:41 pm

    While Scalia and Roberts are threating the Voting RIghts Act, lets not forget where this fight started: On this day…….


  34. 133 prettyfoot58
    March 6, 2013 at 9:45 pm

    Valerie Jarette was on RevAL…she said something that struck me…she said that PBO wants to get the fiscal house in order so that we can concentrate on growth and jobs…let’s just say that PBO was able to get the grand bargain….the deficit discussion would not be front and center…..so wtih every contrived crisis…it’s more time devoted away from growth and prosperity for the Middle Class and those trying to get into the Middle Class…

    we need to change this conversation….

  35. 134 Jovie
    March 6, 2013 at 9:47 pm

    Oh, I just read what I wrote upthread. I am a funny Boy! 🙂

  36. 135 Dudette
    March 6, 2013 at 9:57 pm

    Bill R, if you’re out there…

  37. 137 desertflower
    March 6, 2013 at 9:58 pm



    I don’t even know what to say. Seriously????? WTH is WRONG with people!

  38. March 6, 2013 at 10:02 pm

    Some important developments regarding Climate change: Explained in a language most can understand….

    • 143 Pamela
      March 6, 2013 at 10:23 pm

      But we know in reality, we are 30 years too slow in a dedicated, serious response. What we witness now is rapid acceleration, scientists know this. We all know it.

  39. 144 99ts
    March 6, 2013 at 10:06 pm

    EVERY democratic member of congress should look closely at Gabby Giffords & realize that could have been them – this is the GOP agenda. Every democrat who doesn’t stand 100% behind their President is a wimp of the highest order. No-one who represents their district/state or country in Washington should need the security from wingnuts that they obviously do need.

    Why do those who so abuse democracy NEVER get called out by the media. And just in passing the shIt of the GOP seems to be being exported. Not since the 1980s have their been so many looney anti-abortion freaks getting heard in the media in my world – one of them just brought down a state premier. May they rot in he!! for what they do.

  40. March 6, 2013 at 10:14 pm

    CONNECTICUT Requiring background checks for all gun buyers: Support 93% / Oppose 6%, Expanding the statewide ban on the sale of assault weapons: Support 68% / Oppose 28%, Ban the sale of high-capacity ammunition magazines, holding over 10 bullets: Support 68% / Oppose 28% (Quinnipiac U., RV, 3/4-5)

    Attention Rand Paul: Ohhh the irony, FOX news poll

    • 147 99ts
      March 6, 2013 at 10:23 pm

      I needed that today – thanks df – I had some wonderful help from airline staff when my mother was dying – nothing was too much trouble – they tried everything they could and held bookings on multiple flights without charge – to fit with when we could even get to the airport.

      • 148 desertflower
        March 6, 2013 at 10:43 pm

        Sometimes we need to hear the good things that people do for each other….not this sophomoric, hating, constant battling. Glad that I could put a smile on your face and lift you up today, 99….glad they helped so much for you when you needed it too.

        • 149 99ts
          March 6, 2013 at 10:52 pm

          We actually have a rather amazing single payer medical system at times (it does have some faults – but this was a prime example of how good it can be). My mother was flown via air ambulance (zero cost to us) to the state capital when she became seriously ill – I had to firstly get to the little town where they lived – and then get myself and my dad to said city. needless to say – we had to pay – but the airline staff certainly helped.

  41. 150 Pamela
    March 6, 2013 at 10:19 pm

    Hi everyone! Quiet rainy night. Peace.

  42. 151 Alycee (@jazziz2)
    March 6, 2013 at 10:21 pm

    Just got home from municipal meeting and I see they’re still at it…

  43. 154 utaustinliberal
    March 6, 2013 at 10:22 pm

    • 155 anniebella
      March 6, 2013 at 10:23 pm

      Why should Presdent Obama appear on the Senate floor?

      • 156 99ts
        March 6, 2013 at 10:27 pm

        Paul thinks a white Senator should have power over a black President – I am not feeling Pamela’s Peace at the minute

    • 157 Pamela
      March 6, 2013 at 10:27 pm

      Let him rant, let the entire country see what is installed in the senate. May our dedicated President sleep the sleep of the just. And may he dream sweet dreams. On that note, goodnight TOD! 🙂

      • 158 99ts
        March 6, 2013 at 10:28 pm

        Goodnight Pamela – sleep the dreams of the blessed

      • 159 a4alice
        March 6, 2013 at 10:53 pm

        goodnight Pamela and good night TOD


      • 160 nathkatun7
        March 6, 2013 at 11:57 pm

        I am with you all the way, Pamela. Goodnight and rest peacefully as well. I am wishing the same to the President and his family and all the members of TOD family. Rand Paul can rant all he wants, but I will not lose sleep because of his insanity. As the saying goes: this too shall pass…

  44. 161 prettyfoot58
    March 6, 2013 at 10:33 pm

  45. 162 yardarm756
    March 6, 2013 at 10:35 pm

  46. 164 99ts
    March 6, 2013 at 10:37 pm

    So where were the GOP deficit hawks while this was happening

    “Since the invasion a decade ago this month, the U.S. has spent too much money in Iraq for too few results.”
    Bush and Blair have NEVER apologized nor paid for what they did. Blair had the better brain – and no “daddy” issues. His support was unwarranted by any reason on this planet – or any place else.

    (Via Pierce blog)

  47. 165 yardarm756
    March 6, 2013 at 10:44 pm

  48. 169 Jovie
    March 6, 2013 at 10:44 pm

    Dems reject Paul’s offer to end filibuster

    By Ramsey Cox
    Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) Wednesday evening offered to end his filibuster on the nomination of John Brennan to be the director of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA).

    About seven hours into his talking filibuster, Paul asked unanimous consent that the Senate hold an up-or-down vote on Brennan on Thursday. But he also wanted a vote on a resolution that would have expressed the sense of the Senate that use of drones to target American citizens clearly violates the rights of U.S. citizens. The resolution also asks President Obama to give Congress a report on the drone program. 

  49. March 6, 2013 at 10:48 pm

    Rand Paul & the other neophytes on the Senate floor are claim civil liberties, except when it comes to a woman’s body: Filibuster This Mofo!

    • 171 99ts
      March 6, 2013 at 10:57 pm

      Does anyone else get the idea that the RWNJs want this to go before the current supreme court – so the right to abortion can be repealed. They want EVERY state to have no abortion rights – so poor women can die in the attempt. That way they get rid of the mother and don’t have to see thousands of children living in poverty or living with no hope of long term survival because of forced pregnancy.

      Is it wrong to hope that one day they will be impacted by these laws – then again they can always PAY to get a safe abortion for family members & never pay the price.

      • 172 nathkatun7
        March 7, 2013 at 12:06 am

        “Does anyone else get the idea that the RWNJs want this to go before the current supreme court – so the right to abortion can be repealed.”

        I do! This is the right wing plan. They want to do it while they still have a majority of right wing justices on the Supreme Court.

        • 173 99ts
          March 7, 2013 at 12:12 am

          My thoughts too nathkatun – it is so ghastly that the legal arm of government has become a right wing support group.

  50. 176 utaustinliberal
    March 6, 2013 at 10:52 pm

  51. 179 utaustinliberal
    March 6, 2013 at 10:53 pm

  52. 180 yardarm756
    March 6, 2013 at 10:54 pm

  53. 181 utaustinliberal
    March 6, 2013 at 11:09 pm

  54. March 6, 2013 at 11:12 pm

    OK been a long day, calling it a nite……something to doze off too. GN TOD.

  55. March 6, 2013 at 11:14 pm

    “Shall we expect some transatlantic military giant to step the ocean and crush us at a blow? Never! All the armies of Europe, Asia, and Africa combined, with all the treasure of the earth (our own excepted) in their military chest, with a Bonaparte for a commander, could not by force take a drink from the Ohio or make a track on the Blue Ridge in a trial of a thousand years. At what point then is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer. If it ever reach us it must spring up amongst us; it cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen we must live through all time or die by suicide.”

    Time to prepare some dinner … bbl


    • 185 Betsy
      March 6, 2013 at 11:43 pm

      Bobfr, have you heard about the GOP talking point that PBO puts in the sequester, but sends millions of dollars in aid to Muslim brotherhood? A friend of mine posted this to Facebook and I wanted to know more before responding.

    • 188 99ts
      March 7, 2013 at 12:13 am

      Bob – your research is second to none – as is Lincoln’s knowledge of reality

    • 189 nathkatun7
      March 7, 2013 at 12:28 am

      Thanks Bob for this excellent reminder from President Lincoln about the dangers from within that are likely to be the cause for the destruction of this country. That passage you quoted from his speech really speaks to the madness of the Republican party members, who seem hell bent on destroying the country simply because they are angry that the majority of Americans elected and then re-elected, a Black person President of the United States.

    • March 7, 2013 at 12:39 am

      Thank you 99 and nath.

      The only way America will ever ‘fall’ is because those within, driven by hatred and greed, succeed in its destruction.

      It is for us, just as it was for Lincoln and those loyal to the Union and the ideals and promise of America – a place for all who strive to have a fair opportunity to succeed are able to do so irrespective of their gender, color, socio-economic status & personal beliefs – to ensure that the plutocrats and their serfs do not prevail.

      Yes We Can

  56. 191 utaustinliberal
    March 6, 2013 at 11:14 pm

  57. 192 utaustinliberal
    March 6, 2013 at 11:15 pm

    Marco Rubio is now quoting Wiz Khalifa. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha……this is freaking insane.

  58. 193 squarepeg
    March 6, 2013 at 11:16 pm

  59. March 6, 2013 at 11:17 pm

    Sorry just ran across this, the GOP has no shame: ” Regardless of whether one agrees with each individual choice in the war on terror, President Bush has acted clearly and decisively to protect te nation.”

  60. 195 utaustinliberal
    March 6, 2013 at 11:18 pm

    Rubio quotes Wiz Khalifa, then The Godfather, then Jay Z. Good lord.

  61. 197 utaustinliberal
    March 6, 2013 at 11:19 pm

  62. 201 Ladyhawke
    March 6, 2013 at 11:28 pm




    Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Terrorists

    Not to be confused with Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002.
    The Authorization for Use of Military Force [1] is a joint resolution passed by the United States Congress on September 14, 2001, authorizing the use of United States Armed Forces against those responsible for the attacks on September 11, 2001. The authorization granted the President the authority to use all “necessary and appropriate force” against those whom he determined “planned, authorized, committed or aided” the September 11th attacks, or who harbored said persons or groups. The AUMF was signed by President George W. Bush on September 18, 2001.

    Rand Paul is Cordially Invited to Kiss My Ass


  63. 202 globalcitizenlinda
    March 6, 2013 at 11:38 pm

    Capt Mark Kelly & Rep Gaby Giffords, I am so glad you are on my side of the gun issue because I believe the two were meant to provide citizen leadership at this critical time

  64. March 6, 2013 at 11:50 pm

  65. 205 4morefor44
    March 6, 2013 at 11:56 pm

    since apparently paul-pot can’t do his own research to make a smart purchase, like here where he says he bought a poor product, so naturally he blames a woman who had nothing to do with it….

    so I have something for paul-pot to read tonight:

  66. March 7, 2013 at 12:02 am

  67. 207 4morefor44
    March 7, 2013 at 12:08 am

    something tells me president obama is thinking it’s about time to do some “crushing.”

    republicans are so stupid they still haven’t learned who they’re dealing with. that saying give them the rope to hang themselves…well, i think we’re about to see the noose tighten soon.

    • 208 99ts
      March 7, 2013 at 12:16 am

      He has been doing that for over 4 years – he just keeps thinking there is some good in the varmints. He really does see the good in all men – much more than I ever can.

  68. 209 Bill R.
    March 7, 2013 at 12:10 am

    Van Jones and Keith Boykin -Unfollowed and Blocked . Both chose loyalty to Rand Paul attacking our President. Done with them, forever. I hope all of you will do likewise.

    • 210 Bill R.
      March 7, 2013 at 12:13 am

      Just to remind ourselves. Rand Paul opposed to Civil Rights Act, opposed to Voting Rights Act. Van Jones and Keith Boykin think he’s the man when it comes to supporting our president and his CIA nominee.

    • 211 jacquelineoboomer
      March 7, 2013 at 12:24 am

      I think I unfollowed Van Jones already, but I’ll check Keith. Agree totally. It’s absurd what they’re saying.

    • 212 hopefruit2
      March 7, 2013 at 12:38 am

      Thank goodness I haven’t been following either one.

    • March 7, 2013 at 12:39 am

      I’m really disgusted by what I’m seeing in my TL tonight. I’ve been unfollowing many. A LOT of idiocy on display.

  69. 214 yardarm756
    March 7, 2013 at 12:32 am

  70. 215 Bill R.
    March 7, 2013 at 12:42 am

  71. 216 yardarm756
    March 7, 2013 at 12:46 am

  72. March 7, 2013 at 12:46 am

    This sums it nicely …

    back to work … see you folk tomorrow.

    #TrustBarack – He’s Earned It

  73. 219 hopefruit2
    March 7, 2013 at 12:46 am

    It really disturbs and saddens me at how quickly & readily some “liberal” folks lavish praise and applause on Republicans – for WHAT?

    • 220 nathkatun7
      March 7, 2013 at 1:08 am

      I honestly can’t figure out some people who call themselves liberals or progressives. One minute they are attacking Sen. Harry Reid for not getting rid of the filibuster, but a minute later they are in love with Rand Paul and Ron Wyden for engaging in a stupid filibuster. As the Angry Black Lady said, Paul (likewise Ron Wyden) could have introduced a bill to stop the President from using drones to go after terrorists. Instead, they chose to waste the Senate’s time with a useless filibuster. But lo and behold! The holier than thou progressives are cheering them on.

    • 223 jacquelineoboomer
      March 7, 2013 at 1:10 am

      Rand Paul, brainwashed from birth by daddy who no doubt discussed taking back the world for the white man over Thanksgiving dinner while Rand was growing up and feeding his effing face, is in it for said face time, NOTHING ELSE.

      They have no core principles and NO REGARD for the Senate or House or Presidency, unless it’s somehow in their interests – as they see them.

  74. 225 Bill R.
    March 7, 2013 at 12:47 am

  75. 228 Bill R.
    March 7, 2013 at 12:49 am

    • 229 jacquelineoboomer
      March 7, 2013 at 1:02 am

      Says it all.

    • 230 4morefor44
      March 7, 2013 at 2:45 am

      the good brotha took it professional leftist, evanston/malibu white-privileged john cusack (apparently friends with proven liar and insane male chauvinist cenk ugly) tonight. ya know john, being an “activist” is meaningless if you’re too dumb to correctly identify the enemy. when are these dim bulbs going to start their third parties and win some elections already!?! it’s so easy to be eternally in the peanut gallery never having to be accountable for your actions and ideas. sort of the definition of privilege, isn’t it?

  76. March 7, 2013 at 1:04 am

    OK, so it looks like Sen. Durbin filed cloture on the Brennan nomination. They are now negotiating on unanimous consent. Without unanimous consent, cloture vote will take place 1 hour after the Senate convenes on Friday.

  77. 232 Alycee (@jazziz2)
    March 7, 2013 at 1:04 am

  78. 233 susanne
    March 7, 2013 at 1:18 am

    aloha tod peeps and chipschica-
    those photos of gabby and mark just tear my heart out. thank you for bringing them here, chips. we know who and what we’re working for, but this reminds us of the urgency of our work.

  79. March 7, 2013 at 1:32 am

    • 235 COS
      March 7, 2013 at 1:58 am

      Sure would be nice if Rand Paul and his ilk stood on the floor and fought for jobs. I can’t believe that they are expending all of this energy over this nonsense. It boggles my mind. People who need jobs and a roof over their heads could care less about this. Is Wyden a blue dog Democrat?

  80. March 7, 2013 at 1:40 am

  81. 237 Bill R.
    March 7, 2013 at 3:03 am

    • 238 Bill R.
      March 7, 2013 at 3:05 am

      The silver lining in this Drone business is that the GOP have now definitively damaged their brand as a “national security” party. That mantle lies squarely now on the shoulders of President Obama and Dem. Party.

      • 239 jackiegrumbacher
        March 7, 2013 at 7:35 am

        Yes, Bill, because if the Dems had done this to a Republican president they would have been called week on defense and soft on terrorists.

  82. 240 Bill R.
    March 7, 2013 at 3:09 am

  83. 241 Bill R.
    March 7, 2013 at 3:18 am

  84. March 7, 2013 at 4:33 am

  85. 243 Melissa
    March 7, 2013 at 5:18 am

    Rand Paul is a tool but (and am thinking this is not really going to make me popular here), I’m VERY uneasy about the drones program. I understand that we are at war. I understand war is ugly and no one wishes for it. I appreciate the fact that POTUS is fighting to end these wars, that are endless and in the case of one, was totally unnecessary ( Iraq). However, I feel there is an overuse of drones that, if left unchecked, has the potential to turn into a nightmarish crutch for subsequent administrations. We all trust President Obama to use the program wisely, but what if, God forbid, some crazy guy like Ted Cruz gets to the presidency? Would I want that psychopath anywhere near a weapon that some barely legal kid in a basement is controlling, bombing villages or just about anywhere in the planet (including our own backyards), all willy nilly and without anyone knowing?? Can we just imagine what a war-crazy fool a la Cheney could do? Forget the brown folks in the Middle East, I’d worry about my own behind…

    • 244 Jovie
      March 7, 2013 at 5:53 am

      The Presidents number one job is to keep us safe. Nowhere in his job resume states that he bomb you at Starbucks, if you don’t agree with his policies.
      A lot of what we are seeing, I question the motive. Seems like another opportunity to weaken and smear the President.
      Meanwhile, Gun control legislation is losing steam, Immigration reform is in the backburner, but Austerity is front and center.

      • 245 Melissa
        March 7, 2013 at 6:03 am

        Yes, Jovie but precisely what I’m saying is with this program, heck, I DONT trust just anyone NOT to bomb me at Starbucks if I don’t agree with their policies.
        In the wrong hands, it can go horribly wrong ( I have not forgotten Bush-Cheney)

        • 246 Jovie
          March 7, 2013 at 6:20 am

          Seemingly, the comparisons to Bush are frivolous.
          Knowing our President, after he beats back Al Qaeda, who ate regrouping in Mali, previously Yemen, would issue strict guidelines via Executive order and make them
          A little more loyalty and trust for this President is recommended.
          The biggest criticism if Drones is it’s killing innocent people, comparing this Administration to the Iraq War where 100k civilians got killed.
          But, where is the proof that any civilians have died? We do however, have proof they have killed many many bad guys.
          Also, if you talk about Drones, Gun control is stalled. If you talk about Drones, immigration reform is stalled etc.

          • 247 Melissa
            March 7, 2013 at 6:40 am

            You are not understanding my reasoning Jovie or you’re just willfully ignoring it. I TRUST President Obama with measured use of the drones program because I have come to completely trust his judgement in a lot of matters (even being as anti-war as I am). I DO NOT TRUST a President Bush, Cruz, Christie, Jindal, Paul or whatever yahoo might win the presidency 4 years from now to NOT abuse the program. I just don’t. We will need checks, sorry. But I agree that for now, because I trust the man in power, the other causes you mentionned (gun control, immigration, education etc..) can take precedence. But we’ll need to revisit this issue before he leaves.

            • 248 Jovie
              March 7, 2013 at 7:01 am

              And he will, via executive order, just not now.
              I have a feeling he will only be able to do anything meaningful adminstratively.
              I hope I am wrong because congress just wants to tarnish him, they don’t respect him and are mostly jealous.
              These are qualities of a child that has not grown up.
              Congress = immature

    • 249 Bill
      March 7, 2013 at 6:17 am

      Your thoughts are the very reason people such as Cruz and Cheney should not be elected POTUS. Any POTUS will be in a position to cause great damage.

      • 250 Jovie
        March 7, 2013 at 6:25 am

        But Bill, Rand Paul was using the same analogy, saying what if Hitler were in charge?
        Come on?
        Will ya?
        What if we get hit by an Asteroid tomorrow?
        What if the Poles shift under our feet?
        What if Yellowstone Volcano explodes?
        What if the Moon gets torn out of the Earths Orbit?
        All these are scary, would hate them to happen. Ya know?

    • 252 amk for obama
      March 7, 2013 at 7:07 am

      Why would any american president, whether a rethug or a dem or a libertarian or whatever flavor, conduct drone warfare right in their own backyard thereby killing himself and his party politically for ever ? That argument doesn’t make any sense to me at all.

      • 253 Melissa
        March 7, 2013 at 7:28 am

        Ha. You would think, wouldn’t you? Never underestimate the ignorance of our electorate. Half the people STILL think there were WMDs in Iraq.
        Now, there were rumors that drones were being used in the hunt of that LA killer, Donner or something or other, or to get that kid out in Alabama who had been abducted by that crazy gun nut in a bunker. I doubt they were used but I can absolutely see a Rethug president trying to make the case that local law enforcement could certainely use the help (not bombing but sniffing criminals out for example). I can see 45% of our own citizens AGREEING that maybe that wouldn’t be such a bad thing. Some Senator ( Miss Graham??)just the other day was saying that he needed his AK47s in cases of “roving gangs” like those in Katrina. Do you not forsee a nutso Governor asking for a little drone help from his buddy at the White House to control the “looters” after a natural disaster? It is not that far stretched to me at all.
        Then, where do we stop?

        • 254 amk for obama
          March 7, 2013 at 7:41 am

          While I agree half the american voters are crazy, I don’t buy the argument that they will tolerate drones in their backyard and no prez will be allowed to do that. Equating guns with drones is a false argument.

          If you want to be against drones everywhere, I can respect that sentiment. But when it is NIMBY, then it’s a specious argument.

          Also. Too. This I-dont-trust-the-gobinment-which-is-gonna-kill-us-all fear mongering from the left eerily resembles the teahadists’ sentiments.

          • 255 Melissa
            March 7, 2013 at 8:05 am

            Am not the paranoid sort actually but living through the Bush years, where a lot of my civil liberties were taken from me in the name of ” Fredom” ( wiretap anyone?) has made me a bit skittish, sorry.

            • 256 Jovie
              March 7, 2013 at 8:23 am

              Then you Are more of a libertarian.
              I can say my life was violated with wiretaps, but I can’t prove it neither did it effect my every day decision making.

        • 257 Jovie
          March 7, 2013 at 7:44 am

          Read Holders brief.
          Reminds me of that Wrst Wing episode when Bartlett ordered a killing on a foreign leader.
          He got caught and was censured.
          Isn’t that what congress is really after? To censure this President and not the rule of law.

  86. 258 Jovie
    March 7, 2013 at 6:30 am

    Does anybody have any names of any civilians that were killed by a Drone?
    Just one?
    If you say Anwar Al Awlaki you are spent.
    Conclusion: there is no proof that any civilians have died because nobody can get interviews from family members of alleged drone strikes.
    And why is that?
    Because, that said reporter would not make it back alive!
    Civilians my ass! 🙂

  87. 259 Jovie
    March 7, 2013 at 6:40 am

    I can’t watch Msnbc anymore, it’s a non party channel, just bashes both parties.
    It’s an ideological channel, filled with far right and far left anchors.
    With one party loyalist- Rev Al. 🙂

  88. 260 Bill
    March 7, 2013 at 7:02 am

    Last night Rachel said whenever she discussed drones she received a great amount of hate mail. She had a very strange smile on her face saying she loved the hate mail and to keep it coming. I found the comment very distasteful.

    Bill Press is going on in full support of Rand Paul this morning. If he has listeners here an email to him would be worthwhile.

    • 261 Linda
      March 7, 2013 at 7:38 am

      I saw that also……she is way to pleased with herself. Instead of sending e-mails, people should just stop watching….What an ego. Wipe that smirk off her face.



      • March 7, 2013 at 8:09 am

        It’s hard to watch her these days anyway. Most of her show is a soliloquy/rant about what ever her issue of the day is. It starts becoming background noise after the first few minutes.

        • 263 Linda
          March 7, 2013 at 8:18 am

          I agree….it takes her forever to get to the point…..

          It is as if she thinks she needs to explain her point 10 different ways before getting to the actual story…. as if we are to dumb to understand .

  89. March 7, 2013 at 7:02 am

    Yesterday while in the car, I heard Thom Hartman read (word for word) the letter from Eric Holder. In the (hugely) hypothetical (and hugely unlikely……Holder stressed that) example of using drones in the US (against American citizens), he used the examples of Japanese attacking us at Pearl Harbor and, of course, 9/11. Why don’t people get that?????!!!!!!

    When I got up, I put TV on Bill Press. Only took literally couple of minutes before I changed it to local news. SAD!

  90. 267 squarepeg
    March 7, 2013 at 7:06 am

    i assume rand paul is still going

  91. 269 Jovie
    March 7, 2013 at 7:21 am

    Liberal Press = no party affiliation!

    When will People get that?

  92. 270 squarepeg
    March 7, 2013 at 7:58 am

  93. 271 swbluega
    March 7, 2013 at 7:58 am

    If the Merkley filibuster reform proposal — which included requiring a talking filibuster — had been adopted, it would not have eliminated the 13 hours of lunacy that was displayed, would it? Short of completely doing away with it, what changes could have been made to the filibuster to make it a tool used as an exception and not the norm; changes that would have had a realistic expectation of being adopted?

    Just trying to understand what else in the proposed reform would have stopped the obstruction that has become the MO for the RWNJ. Is it the filibuster or the abuse?

    I believe that the GOP/RWNJ would find other means of obstruction (some of which we’ve seen with the confirmation hearings) because their one goal is to hinder President Obama in his efforts to move the country forward.

    • 272 Bill
      March 7, 2013 at 8:11 am

      You have a very good point. I saw no point in Wyden, Merkley’s fellow Senator from Oregon, taking part last night other than grandstanding. PBO does not need any hits from Democrats. It seems Wyden could have worked out his questions in private with the WH.

  94. 273 squarepeg
    March 7, 2013 at 7:59 am

    • 274 Jovie
      March 7, 2013 at 8:07 am

      You can tell Rachel has disdain for this President.
      Do you feel she may be Racist?

      • 275 Bill
        March 7, 2013 at 8:23 am

        I think Rachel believes she is always the smartest (and cutest) person in the room and has a srtong desire to exhibit it. She is impressed with her Stanford and Rhodes Scholar credentials., both of which her good buddy Cory Booker have.

  95. 276 Jovie
    March 7, 2013 at 7:59 am

    Meanwhile, North Korea threatens a Nuclear strike against the US.
    What does Rachel feel about that?
    I know, I know, it’s Obamas fault!

  96. March 7, 2013 at 8:15 am

    I heard a caller to the Ed’s radio program give this analogy: She has a good friend who grew up in AL. This friend lived talked about the town leaders filling the swimming pools with cement (when desegregation was declared) to keep the black children from being able to swim in them. The caller equated that to what the Republicans are doing to PO agenda/legacy………all the obstruction is the cement in the pools. I think that is a profound analogy.

    I am leaving soon for my weekly visit w/my mother. If anyone thinks this analogy is worth sharing w/others, please move it to the new thread. I’ll check in later in the morning.

  97. 280 amk for obama
    March 7, 2013 at 8:19 am

  98. March 7, 2013 at 8:20 am

    Hey, so many of you here I recognize as previous-posters on OFA …. Please come over & add your “handle” to President Obama’s outreach effort… come over & add your email & zipcode to the “I’m in ” list. (then it flicks you to a donation page, but just log-off if you can’t donate right now.). We’re all on the same team, are we not? Please join in so we can keep up pressure on Obstructionists…

  99. 282 amk for obama
    March 7, 2013 at 8:23 am

  100. 284 dotster3
    March 7, 2013 at 8:35 am

    Worried about President Obama developing indigestion——last night having to eat dinner with a motley crew of horrible, obstructionish Repub senators, today lunch with accomplished liar and intolerable fake, Paul Ryan. Nightmare.

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