Yet More Change….

CBS: President Obama has instructed the Justice Department to no longer defend the constitutionality of the Defense of Marriage Act….

Attorney General Eric Holder: “After careful consideration, including a review of my recommendation, the President has concluded that … Section 3 of DOMA, as applied to legally married same-sex couples, is unconstitutional. Given that conclusion, the President has instructed the Department not to defend the statute in such cases. I fully concur with the President’s determination.”

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190 Responses to “Yet More Change….”

  1. 1 Ladyhawke
    February 22, 2013 at 9:22 pm

    Rachel Maddow’s opening segment on Ted Cruz and McCarthism is horrifying. It’s chilling. Jane Mayer is up next to discuss her investigative reporting on Ted Cruz.

  2. 13 vitaminlover
    February 22, 2013 at 9:23 pm

    Cruz just LOOKS crazy to me.

    • 14 susanne
      February 22, 2013 at 9:28 pm

      young rethugs have to be crazy–there has been nothing positive to attract people to the gop for decades, so they’ve joined up out of devotion to the ideas of shrub! darth! newter! flush! the real surprise is that they can get photos making them look nearly normal.

  3. 15 susanne
    February 22, 2013 at 9:24 pm

    endless, sensless…

    ‘ A Bronx father is trying to take the blame for shooting his 5-year-old son in the shoulder this morning, but the real culprit may be the boy’s 11-year-old brother, who investigators believe fired inadvertently while playing with the weapon. ‘


    • 16 theo67
      February 22, 2013 at 9:29 pm

      They are lucky the young boy is still alive. This could have ended very badly, instead of just badly.

      • 17 susanne
        February 22, 2013 at 9:48 pm

        it’s a reminder, that the stats on gun deaths fail to depict the true extent of gun damage. and of course the damage includes fear of gun violence.

  4. February 22, 2013 at 9:25 pm

    I keep hitting the end of a thread…..sorry if this is a repeat

    • 19 veryslowwriter
      February 23, 2013 at 12:52 am

      Edith Windsor is at the center of the case. (Her picture above). If you get a chance I highly recommend the movie “Thea and Edie: A very Long Engagement.” It’s lovely.

  5. 20 CarolMaeWY
    February 22, 2013 at 9:26 pm

    Way to fly into first Ladyhawke!

  6. February 22, 2013 at 9:27 pm

  7. 26 theo67
    February 22, 2013 at 9:36 pm

    I was listening to David Cruz on local California radio on the drive home, and I caught a snippet of a soundbite he was playing that I had heard earlier in the week which is so offensive – I am sure it’s been discussed here already. Rep. Bob Goodlatte (R-VA) says he wants to prevent a path to citizenship for undocumented workers, saying “Because if you give them legal status, they can work anywhere in the United States — they’re not going to necessarily work at the hardest, toughest, dirtiest jobs.” I could not believe my ears. This would create a permanent underclass that is restricted to doing hard labor, with no prospect for a better life. This – from the party of that has been screeching about “freedom”.

    This is vile. And it reveals the true character of these Republicans. They don’t have any humanity.


    • February 22, 2013 at 9:38 pm

    • February 22, 2013 at 9:52 pm

      I can’t even process this despicable attitude. OMG, the RWNJs are beyond words.

    • 29 Anna
      February 22, 2013 at 9:53 pm

      Watched a program on the History Channel tonight, mushroom growers, fruit farmers, having trouble expanding their businesses due to lack of labor, available employees, related to immigration, workers available. Thank you Republicans, this should have been done long time ago. So much for immigrants taking jobs away……….economy suffers due to businesses can’t expand, fewer people working, not everyone will do this type of work, less money goes into economy.

      • 30 4morefor44
        February 22, 2013 at 10:28 pm

        i don’t really understand this point. my entire family background is farmers, and i worked in fields for years. the “not everyone will do this this type of work” line is what republicans say, and it’s odd to me when i’ve done that work, and much of my family does it to this day.

        seems to me the real problem is wages staying the same while the cost of everything, especially housing and land has skyrocketed over the last few decades. this is a direct result of trickle-down economics, brought on by ronald reagan.

        for generations, my family did the work that “not everyone” will do, and we all had a decent house with our own rooms, nice meals, the occasional vacation, and kids able to go to college if they wanted to. all from a small family farm. not only were we happy with our chosen professions, we were proud of it! i personally was disgusted with the super bowl ad this year with paul harvey (a radical republican) preaching some insincere crap about the pride of farming, just as republicans do with military people….they don’t give a sheet about military families! they cut their healthcare and hospitals all the time in the name of letting the mitt rmoney family never, ever having to sacrifice a damn thing for this country…just suck from it. well today, because of trickle-down/republican economics, businesses are wanting farmers to do the same or more work for more than half the price, because the REAL costs of everything have gone up substantially.

        people come from poorer countries because, even america at a greatly reduced state, pays them more than what they’re used to. they’ll do the same work for peanuts since it’s still an improvement for them. by american standards that existed for generations and what made america a world superpower, migrant worker are willing to work at slave wages. this is not a sustainable way to run a country. it’s encouraging a “race to the bottom.” we will never be able to maintain our country on slave wages, while mitt rmoney and his spawn build elevators for their cars for doing NO WORK whatsoever. this is the problem…not that people don’t want to do “this type of work.”

        i say we bring migrant workers into the movement and organize with them. they, and we, should all be paid more, not less! what we really need is a mass re-organization into unions, just a cesar chavez worked on, and stop the true enemy of america – the modern day republicans/john bircher billionaires. forward, as the man says!

        • 31 jacquelineoboomer
          February 22, 2013 at 11:21 pm

          You may have mentioned it (I’m tired), but aren’t the big corporate farms – not those individually owned, generation-to-generation – the ones who mostly hire the migrant workers and pay them nothing, under bad conditions with bad temporary housing?

          • 32 4morefor44
            February 22, 2013 at 11:44 pm

            i think the corporate farms do a lot of it and were the first, but then of course the small family farmers feel they then need to also, to “keep up,” hence the race to the bottom. we’ll never compete with slave wages, which in america’s history can go to zero, so this whole republican trickle-down game is a fool’s game. it doesn’t work in theory, or in practice.

            i personally know of cases where even a small family farmer chose some migrant workers over the local teenage kids of their neighbors, because the local kids expected to get minimum wage, while the migrant workers would do the job for half that or less, and “off the books” too (no taxes). many of the migrant workers are willing to live literally in the fields under makeshift tents, while the local kids expect, gasp, enough cash to at least rent a cheap apartment. it didn’t used to be like this. there was enough to go around for everyone who was willing to work hard. the current way is unsustainable. i feel this is equally true in the cities and the manufacturing base too. in that case, they just offshore the slave labor in other countries. we can never compete with slave wages, nor why would we want to?!? they are aspiring to have what he’ve had traditionally!

            what annoys me the most about this is how rush limbaugh and fox news and all that crap has sort of taken over the media of rural america over the last couple of decades, and brainwashed them into blaming the wrong people, and pushing the wrong “solutions,” namely trickle-down economics. it didn’t used to be this way. these areas used to be soldily democratic. this explains my intense hatred for the mainstream media. most farmers i know get along great with migrant workers and respect their work ethic. what we need to be doing is making them citizens, which president obama and democrats are doing now, and then uniting with them in solidarity and all workers of america including teachers, police, firefighters, nurses, and so on, and stop the mitt rmoney’s and his spawn, and the donald trump’s of the world, once and for all of their insatiable greed. we can do this! si se puede!

            • 33 jacquelineoboomer
              February 22, 2013 at 11:49 pm

              Wow. You said it all! Thanks for spelling all of that out – probably didn’t make you feel any better going through it (unless it felt cathartic), but you did write a couple of times about the need to unionize all workers, so you have already figured out the first answer! I am with you 100 percent on that!!!! #UnionsForever

              • 34 4morefor44
                February 23, 2013 at 12:10 am

                yes, cathartic. good word. we saw it somewhat with the unions coming together in the wisconsin uprising and others, and i think that’s the only way we’re going to be able to stop the .00001% from a complete takeover of the “american experiment” of a democratic republic. i think the obama movement, and now “organizing for action” is the tip of the spear, and we’ve been seeing some solidarity sprouting up all over the place in recent years. for many this probably seemed like simply a neat photo op, but for me, this was one of the more important days of president obama’s tenure, when he dedicated the cesar chavez memorial…chavez is a symbol of what we need to do to save the republic from complete oligarch control, and clearly president obama gets this (yes, we can?…hello?!?!):

                that’s why republicans and “the news” are so big on “divide and conquer” strategies to try and keep us fighting amongst ourselves instead of THEM! hence my other extreme dislike for the “professional leftists” (who happen to be 99% percent white people), and who don’t get this central dynamic. they are unwittingly being used to divide and conquer president obama’s support.

                glad you got some value from my ramblings, and yes, let’s do this, brothers and sisters, we’re the last line of defense for protecting the u.s. constitution. they almost won completely until barack hussein obama came along at just the right moment. si se puede…yes we can! yes, i’m fired up and getting more ready to go the more i type!

                • 35 jacquelineoboomer
                  February 23, 2013 at 12:18 am

                  When you hit the streets holding one side of a banner, leading the parade, I’d love to be holding up the other side!

                  Fired Up!

                  • 36 4morefor44
                    February 23, 2013 at 12:27 am

                    it would be an honor to march with you to the polls in the next elections! forward!! the giants of the past are counting on us to complete the mission.

    • February 22, 2013 at 11:50 pm

      Because if you give them legal status, they can work anywhere in the United States — they’re not going to necessarily work at the hardest, toughest, dirtiest jobs.” I could not believe my ears. This would create a permanent underclass that is restricted to doing hard labor, with no prospect for a better life.


  8. 38 jacquelineoboomer
    February 22, 2013 at 9:39 pm

    • 40 jacquelineoboomer
      February 22, 2013 at 10:12 pm

      Grandma Talk: I love that age when kids have the big goofy teeth, some of ’em missing. They eventually grow into the teeth, of course. Wonder what the tooth fairy brought him!

    • 43 utaustinliberal
      February 23, 2013 at 12:29 am

      Damn right he did; and the urging of the striking down of DOMA is just one more in an already historic list of accomplishments.

      Now and in the future, whenever I think of the Obama administration, I’m going to have a smile on my face because as first terms went, his legacy was W-O-W and the second term has been off with a bang!

  9. February 22, 2013 at 9:49 pm

  10. February 22, 2013 at 9:55 pm

    SO John Cornyn is getting primaried from the rigtht, a guy who says he is like Ted Cruz http://blog.chron.com/txpotomac/2013/02/john-cornyn-draws-a-2014-gop-primary-challenge-from-the-right/ And Planned Parenthood is going after MItch “turtle” McConnell

  11. 48 susanne
    February 22, 2013 at 9:56 pm

    ‘ The version of the Violence Against Women Act that House Republicans unveiled Friday is not the same bill the Senate passed 78 to 22 last week. Gone are protections for LGBT victims, and a provision to help Native American women seek justice is watered down.

    House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.) is “committed to ending violence against all women,” his spokeswoman Megan Whittemore said Friday. Why, then, does the House bill eliminate protections for some women who need them most? ‘

    includes excellent graph:


    • 49 theo67
      February 22, 2013 at 9:59 pm

      Maybe he needs to follow Bill Clinton’s lead, and give us his definition of the phrase “ALL women”. These Republicans are despicable, and the people who vote for them have a lot to answer for.

  12. 50 4morefor44
    February 22, 2013 at 9:57 pm

    one of the most perfect examples of how stupid and ridiculous these “professional leftists” are is how president obama has handled gay rights issues. it’s obvious how he really felt based on his record, but when president, he comes up with a strategy to enact truly lasting and massive change around the issue. he’s done that.

    in the meantime, these idiots were protesting him and wasting valuable time and energy starting “evolve already” campaigns when it was obvious where he was going with all this. they show no understanding or concern whatsoever of the media and political landscapes, built up over DECADES, that president obama has to deal with, not to mention the racial issues, which they NEVER acknowledge, since the professional left is about 99% white people. classic example here, especially now knowing what has happened since this:

    i’m serious when i say we should not try to woo them whatsoever. i never, ever, never want to have these people on my side or working on issues with me. they will always, always whine and bring division and demoralization to any movement. we should be pushing them every day to start their 3rd party/ralph nader groups and leave democrats alone. when elizabeth warren runs in 2016 (please, dear god!) i will do all i can to keep the professional leftists out of the movement. we’re moving FORWARD, people!!!

  13. February 22, 2013 at 10:16 pm

    Japanese PM Shinzo Abe gave Obama a golf putter during their meeting today. Abe’s grandfather, then also PM, played golf with Eisenhower in 1960. Abe said VP Biden then asked, who won the golf match between his father and Eisenhower. Abe replied: “It’s a national secret.” per @DavidNakamura

  14. February 22, 2013 at 10:20 pm

    I am very impressed w/ the WH press shop. They just keep pounding and pounding away, while the morons are out of town.

  15. 54 Dudette
    February 22, 2013 at 10:22 pm

  16. 55 Dudette
    February 22, 2013 at 10:22 pm

  17. 56 Dudette
    February 22, 2013 at 10:23 pm

  18. 57 Dudette
    February 22, 2013 at 10:23 pm

  19. 60 Dudette
    February 22, 2013 at 10:24 pm

  20. 61 Dudette
    February 22, 2013 at 10:25 pm

  21. 62 Dudette
    February 22, 2013 at 10:25 pm

  22. 63 Dudette
    February 22, 2013 at 10:26 pm

  23. 64 Dudette
    February 22, 2013 at 10:26 pm

  24. February 22, 2013 at 10:27 pm


    Replaced a previous tweet with this one so that the link to the document was included.


    • February 22, 2013 at 10:28 pm

      “In summary, the administration argues:

      Section 3 of DOMA violates the fundamental constitutional guarantee of equal protection. The law denies to tens of thousands of same-sex couples who are legally married under state law an array of important federal benefits that are available to legally married opposite-sex couples. Because this discrimination cannot be justified as substantially furthering any important governmental interest, Section 3 is unconstitutional.”



      • February 22, 2013 at 10:37 pm

        And, the White House is not playing with the House Republicans on this issue and trump them with the 5th Amendment guarantee of equal protection …

        “Finally, the administration addresses the argument, advanced by House Republicans through the Bipartisan Legal Advisory Group, that this is not an issue for the courts to decide:

        BLAG makes an appeal to this Court to allow the democratic process to run its course. That approach would be very well taken in most circumstances. This is, however, the rare case in which deference to the democratic process must give way to the fundamental constitutional command of equal treatment under law. Section 3 of DOMA targets the many gay and lesbian people legally married under state law for a harsh form of discrimination that bears no relation to their ability to contribute to society. It is abundantly clear that this discrimination does not substantially advance an interest in protecting marriage, or any other important interest. The statute simply cannot be reconciled with the Fifth Amendment’s guarantee of equal protection. The Constitution therefore requires that Section 3 be invalidated.”

        That’s what happens when you elect a Constitutional Law EXPERT (among other talents) to the Presidency of the United States.


  25. 68 Dudette
    February 22, 2013 at 10:27 pm

  26. 69 Dudette
    February 22, 2013 at 10:28 pm

  27. 82 Alycee (@jazziz2)
    February 22, 2013 at 10:30 pm

    Can’t wait until tonight’s 20/20 is available on line; I’m missing half of it because tears won’t stop…

  28. February 22, 2013 at 10:42 pm

    You guys remember that poignant picture from the Olympics when the Iranian/US wrestlers had their hands wrapped around each others backs?5-0 weekend and World Cup champion. It feels good to be back. Congrats to team USA on our 3rd place finish. Iran was an amazing host!

    The people of Iran are not anything like the one’s who represent them internationally. This is a perfect example!

  29. 88 yardarm756
    February 22, 2013 at 10:56 pm

    OT. Not a movie but a visual image. Put a long blonde wig on Rick Scott(Gov.-Fl) and you have Ann Coulter. ugggghhh! 🙂

  30. 95 Dudette
    February 22, 2013 at 11:04 pm

  31. 96 Dudette
    February 22, 2013 at 11:04 pm

  32. 97 Dudette
    February 22, 2013 at 11:05 pm

    Phew! Okay, I’m tapped out! Somebody else is gonna have to pick up the reigns! 🙂

  33. 102 Dudette
    February 22, 2013 at 11:12 pm

    This one gets a repeat, cuz, you know, Hopey-Changeyness Rules! 😀

  34. February 22, 2013 at 11:28 pm

    I see you a Woodward and raise you a Woodward. I’m telling WH press shop is on fire. Throttle is at 9 RPM’s

  35. 113 Pamela
    February 22, 2013 at 11:28 pm

    Is it Friday yet? 😉

  36. 115 Pamela
    February 22, 2013 at 11:41 pm

    Almost done here…. Bon Nuit, toute les mondes! 😉

  37. 116 Dudette
    February 22, 2013 at 11:46 pm

  38. 142 purpleshoesla
    February 23, 2013 at 12:36 am

    Some of my fave “old school black cinema” with Sidney Poitier, Sammy Davis Jr and Dorothy Dandrige

  39. 148 utaustinliberal
    February 23, 2013 at 12:40 am

    FLOTUS on Jimmy Fallon live now.

  40. 161 susanne
    February 23, 2013 at 3:41 am

    mc lame sacrifices his sunday dinner at home with the family once again:

    ABC’s “This Week” – Reps. Mike Rogers, R-Mich., and Eliot Engel, D-N.Y.

    NBC’s “Meet the Press” – Govs. Deval Patrick, D-Mass., and Bobby Jindal, R-La.

    CBS’ “Face the Nation” – Govs. Martin O’Malley, D-Md., Bob McDonnell, R-Va., Jan Brewer, R-Ariz., and John Hickenlooper, D-Colo.; Rep. Tim Murphy, R-Pa.; Sens. Kelly Ayotte, R-N.H., and Tim Kaine, D-Va,

    CNN’s “State of the Union” – Sens. John McCain, R-Ariz., and Patrick Leahy, D-Vt.; Gov. Daniel Malloy, D-Conn.

    “Fox News Sunday” – Govs. Jack Markell, D-Del., and Scott Walker, R-Wis.; Sens. Claire McCaskill, D-Mo., and Tom Coburn, R-Okla.

    • 162 0388jojothecat
      February 23, 2013 at 3:46 am

      Hey Susanne…..it’s what 10 pm where you are? Join the late night party while the mid west and easternors are zzzzzzz.

      • 163 Lynn
        February 23, 2013 at 4:01 am

        I wish I was zzzzzzzzing. cat, but somebody’s gotta keep the home fires burning……literally! Just got done stoking up the woodstoves here in the snowbelt of central new york where’s it’s a nippy 22 degrees at 4:00 AM. But, it’s gonna get to a high of 36 and we’ll be breakin’ out the tank tops and shades any month now.

        • 164 0388jojothecat
          February 23, 2013 at 4:09 am

          Good morning Lynn…..must be nice being up at 4 am to watch the sun come up. Keep warm and keep that fire going. We had heavy rain on the west coast so I guess its supposed to reach you soon.

          • 165 Lynn
            February 23, 2013 at 4:24 am

            Good morning, yourself! Housemates are sleeping and I’m hanging out here with the cool kids with a lap robe and the weather channel on. Where on the west coast, cat?

      • 166 susanne
        February 23, 2013 at 4:17 am

        aloha jojo
        i was off reading vanity fair’s pre-oscar silliness. right now it’s 11:14 p.m., temp in the mid 60s, 80% chance of rain tonight. wrapped in a blanket, big old socks, and yes, i know, i’m spoiled! but we have no heater of any kind, and the walls are paper-thin, windows open to prevent mold (don’t know how that works because the damp air comes right in) so it’s chilly. not complaining–just sayin’!

  41. 167 anniebella
    February 23, 2013 at 3:59 am

    I manage to stay up to see FLOTUS, it was a struggle, but I made it and I am glad I did. It is clear that Jimmy Fallon really like our President and First Lady.

  42. 172 0388jojothecat
    February 23, 2013 at 4:13 am

    ….did you get the memo…its a bbq? so funnny…..

    • 173 anniebella
      February 23, 2013 at 4:24 am

      That’s right Jimmy showed up in the heat of the summer in his suit, and Jimmy said it was hot and he was sweating. Jimmy asked about a Hillary/Michelle ticket for 2016, I know he meant to say a Michelle/Hillary ticket 2016. Just kidding you’ll. One I think we all can agree FLOTUS is done with politics once her husband leave office. And I can not blame her one bit. Well unless there was some way we could get Barack Obama elected President again. Well I can dream can’t I.

      • 174 anniebella
        February 23, 2013 at 4:27 am

        I meant to say, One thing I think we all agree upon, FLOTUS is done with politics once her husband leave office.

      • 177 susanne
        February 23, 2013 at 4:29 am

        sweet dream, anniebella! i’ve been having similar fantasies–maybe he could head the united nations? replace roberts on the supreme court? how about senator from hawaii?! it just doesn’t seem possible that he’d drop out of public life, even though i know flotus and the kids would like a more normal life. he’s just too good to lose!

        • 178 anniebella
          February 23, 2013 at 4:37 am

          The Republicans have said that POTUS is acting like a King, well how does this sound King Barack Obama, Queen Michelle Obama. And Barack remain our leader till Princess Malia or Princess Sasha is ready to take over. I know what I just said would kill those right wing idiots. 🙂 Well so be it.

  43. 181 kasai
    February 23, 2013 at 5:47 am

    I feel s “Smack Down” is about to happen :-):-)


  44. 183 prettyfoot58
    February 23, 2013 at 7:43 am


    The problem is that the party is fanatical—a machine of rage, hate, and resentment. People are free to scoff and pretend it isn’t so, but I don’t think honest people can deny that we’ve never seen anything like this in the modern history of our country.


    If you look at the states that are the stronghold of the GOP…it is mostly the Confederate South/although that racist sentiment has been transplanted to the GOP controlled state houses as well…This is who the GOP is/for years they have been able to fool and delude people thru trickery and deceit/now however the lunatic fringe has ripped off the cover/and America can see the GOP and all of its ugliness….for some of us..we have always seen it/never been fooled…

    This is who the GOP is and no amount of repackaging will change that

    • 184 99ts
      February 23, 2013 at 8:20 am

      To Follow on from your first quote

      “There’s a symbiosis of malevolence between the extreme parts of the GOP base and Washington lawmakers, and it is destroying the Republican Party. That’s fine with me, although I am constantly mystified as to why it’s all right with the people I’m talking about. But it’s also destroying the country and our democratic institutions and processes, which is not fine with me.”

      So many times people (including me) are saying because they couldn’t defeat President Obama they are intent on destroying the country. Michael Tomasky is asying what so many see.

    • 185 99ts
      February 23, 2013 at 8:24 am

      Wow – someone is saying it all – LOUD and CLEAR

      “Like me, I’m sure many of you were aghast at those people who cheered John McCain when he lectured the parent of the son who was killed in the Colorado shooting. There was blood lust in that cheer, just like the blood lust in the boos back in the presidential primary season of that gay soldier. Are any conservative thinkers writing that this kind of thing makes them sick and ashamed?”

  45. 186 jackiegrumbacher
    February 23, 2013 at 8:36 am

    PF and 99t, this is an excellent piece by Tomasky. If only the GOP would recognize that the poison has entered their blood stream and they need serious and intense intervention to recognize the disease of hate and racism and address it.

    • 187 99ts
      February 23, 2013 at 8:45 am

      GM Jackie & Prettyfoot

      As Michael said – while the pundits refuse to call them out – it will continue. It is at least refreshing to have someone shout it out – although he still had to add in some apologies to his so called “friends”

      Praising David Frum – the Canadian who attacks health care while coming from a country with close to the best health care in the world – for an article written in 2011 – seems pointless – or perhaps that is the ONLY conservative article to be found that faces some reality.

      • 188 Bill
        February 23, 2013 at 9:05 am

        David Frum also works for the Daily Beast. I belive Michael’s article is excellent, but I cannot see Frum being the person to lead the GOP out of their wilderness. I think it will take a politician.

    • 189 Jovie
      February 23, 2013 at 9:02 am

      And on the south, people down here seem to think if they have a bad day it is Black Peoples fault. And then they point to welfare and how their tax dollars are all going to the Blacks on Welfare.
      Its true, they get all worked up because of it!
      :(. 😦 😦

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