Chat Away

Four years ago: President Barack Obama and First Lady Michelle Obama cheer during their daughter Sasha Obama’s basketball game, Feb. 21, 2009 (Photo by Pete Souza)

Chat away, back in a bit.

243 Responses to “Chat Away”

  1. 1 vcprezofan2
    February 21, 2013 at 12:37 pm

    Okay, I will

  2. 10 vcprezofan2
    February 21, 2013 at 12:38 pm

    When is the new vote for Hagel? I notice repubs apparently wrote a letter to the Pres? They are so delusional!

    • 11 vcprezofan2
      February 21, 2013 at 12:38 pm

      They are also so out of touch with how democracy ought to work!

      • 12 vcprezofan2
        February 21, 2013 at 12:39 pm

        Is that enough chatter, Ms Chips?

        • 13 vcprezofan2
          February 21, 2013 at 12:40 pm

          I’m going to see what else is happening on twitter, since no one is chatting with me. ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

          • 14 hopefruit2
            February 21, 2013 at 12:41 pm

            Hello vc – congrats on #1 ๐Ÿ™‚

            • 15 vcprezofan2
              February 21, 2013 at 12:47 pm

              Hi, Hopefruit, TY. Since I came in so late for rise and shine, I made an executive decision not to hang around there in bewilderment, but to strike out for the next stopping station! ๐Ÿ˜›

          • 16 utaustinliberal
            February 21, 2013 at 12:45 pm

            The Hagel vote will be brought up again on Feb. 26th.

            • 17 vcprezofan2
              February 21, 2013 at 12:56 pm

              thank you, Utal, I can hardly wait. I wish someone in the O Admin would answer that Repub letter for withdrawal with a polite ‘Stick it, GOPs!’

              • 18 carolmaewy
                February 21, 2013 at 1:28 pm

                Would you please recycle this letter by wetting it and using for bathroom hygiene. Thank you for recycling.

                • 19 vcprezofan2
                  February 21, 2013 at 1:36 pm

                  No. No. No. I want much greater subtlety than that! I even want words included for which they might have to seek dictionary meaning. I want some of them to wonder if they got agreement or insults. Yeah, yeah! i want too much, but that’s me.

          • 20 sherijr
            February 21, 2013 at 12:45 pm

            great ‘chat’ you had with yourself vc.. I enjoyed that ~ lol!

            • 21 vcprezofan2
              February 21, 2013 at 12:59 pm

              ๐Ÿ˜† Hi Sherijr! It was fun. Truth is I’m used to talking with myself and I often get answers that align with my way of thinking so there are rarely any quarrels. ๐Ÿ˜‰

              • 22 carolmaewy
                February 21, 2013 at 1:25 pm

                Yes, I’ve got two dogs for PBO and four cats. 1 black cat, and one black dog, and the rest are different shades. All agree with me completely. One is pure gold. Did any of you share on the Pets for Obama website? I tried but they didn’t get posted. ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

                • 23 vcprezofan2
                  February 21, 2013 at 1:33 pm

                  Carolmae, are you comparing my other self to a pet? I don’t know …. /smh/

                  • 24 carolmaewy
                    February 21, 2013 at 1:41 pm

                    Just sharing who I talk to when no is around. And that is most of the time. Now I know why. I can’t even communicate on a blog with a friend. ๐Ÿ˜ฅ ๐Ÿ˜ฅ ๐Ÿ˜ฅ Everybody hates me, nobody loves me, guess I’ll go eat worms. ๐Ÿ˜ฅ Bear, Sammy, Jasmine, Sissy, Dolly, Ali. Come here boys. Here kitty, kitty….. Group hug.

                    • 25 vcprezofan2
                      February 21, 2013 at 1:48 pm

                      That brought back memories of ‘big, fat juicy worms, long skinny slimy worms, itsy-bitsy fuzzy-wuzzy worms. Yum. Yum.’ Be careful, you might not want to eat too many now, as your companions are not known to be expert nurses. ๐Ÿ˜•

                    • 26 carolmaewy
                      February 21, 2013 at 2:41 pm

                      Oh dogs can rescue humans! Kitties, not so much.

                • 27 57andfemale
                  February 21, 2013 at 3:48 pm

                  You have dogs that agree with you? Seriously? Are they available to teach my dogs?

    • 29 57andfemale
      February 21, 2013 at 1:47 pm

      15 of ’em – the worst of the nutjobs out of an entire group of nutjobs.

      What makes them think a decisively elected President should pick a RWNJ of THEIR choosing? Bush didn’t win the popular vote, got installed as Pres and Repubs treated it as a mandate; and the President who actually has a mandate should kow tow to these loons?

      • 30 vcprezofan2
        February 21, 2013 at 2:18 pm

        57F, I confess I haven’t seen the letter yet and have no intention to go looking for it, yet it strikes me as delusional for them to first show with their questions that they have no grounds to legitimately tear this man apart, then write the President to ask him, in essence, to join them.

        • 31 57andfemale
          February 21, 2013 at 2:30 pm

          Well said, but their chutzpah is stunning. When Ted Cruz becomes a ‘leader’ in the Republican party with 14 others behind him to issue such a demand, this party is really sick. Oh — and Rubio signed the letter.

          However, it appears to be nothing more than bluster. Shelby says he’ll vote for Hagel. I think I read that that idiot Hatch is onboard; allegedly McCain is somehow on board, but he wasn’t going to filibuster either.

          I’m sick of this circular technique that Republicans are so fond of: Cheney leaks to his stenographer Judith Miller some lie, then cites the NY Times as ‘proof’ of that lie because they reported it.

          RWNJ Senators are saying it would be ‘unprecedented’ for a nominee to be confirmed with so low a vote, when it’s their own elevation of lies that has caused the ‘controversy’.

          Makes my brain hurt.

          • 32 jackiegrumbacher
            February 21, 2013 at 3:33 pm

            I wonder who they think cares about precedent, 57. These guys blithely do unprecedented stuff like filibuster a cabinet nominee and clutch their pearls about a possible low vote. I don’t care if he gets through with 51 votes. The Repubs have already shown that their rejection of Hagel is actually a badge of honor for him.

    • 33 a4alice
      February 21, 2013 at 5:27 pm

      I just heard this on the radio on the way home! What a bunch of hooey. So Graham said he’d vote on it to pass next week yet he signed this letter with 15 other conservatives asking PBO to withdraw the nom. Those guys across the aisle are all over the the place

      • 34 vcprezofan2
        February 21, 2013 at 5:41 pm

        Hi a4A! When you consider that Repub ‘leaders’ today have no core, their blowing hither and tither is not surprising. What surprises me is that they actually seem to expect the President to reward them for wandering in the wilderness and trying to wreck his plans for the country. I don’t get how they are ALL so lacking in insight or empathy for anyone but themselves. Heck, I don’t get how they seem to have no understanding of how democracy works. Every single time their position gets rejected, they pick it up again and barrel ahead. Are they trying to wear down their opposition though they are outnumbered? There’s something to be said for persistence, but IMO not in these circumstances.

  3. 36 carolmaewy
    February 21, 2013 at 12:42 pm

    When does the Senate go back to “work”? Lazy, no good, rethugs. Didn’t see or hear from Barr-ass-o or Lummis. Enzi at least had several town halls.

  4. 37 ranman11
    February 21, 2013 at 12:42 pm

    Bring over from last post:

    Michigan dad requests that no black nurses care for his newborn in hospital. Yes, we’re in post-racial USA:… fb.me/BvnFPOOP— Karen Hunter (@karenhunter) February 21, 2013

    • 38 vcprezofan2
      February 21, 2013 at 1:06 pm

      My earlier response to this =

      We all know there are individual wackos, even in 2013. What’s disappointing is that the hospital leaders were not sufficiently sensitized/trained/aware/whatever to realize that THEY cannot allow themselves to behave in a similar fashion. What a slap in the face their response must have been to that nurse – to find out that your supervisors, etc. do not stand behind you! If he had confronted her verbally or physically is this the same level of support they would have offered? ALL their nurses should be offended by their response, IMO.

      • 39 carolmaewy
        February 21, 2013 at 1:20 pm

        Nurses are highly trained and should be respected. I thought they were in short demand. What happened to respect? I know so many nurses. I wanted to be one, but couldn’t deal with the sad parts. I just don’t understand.

        • 40 vcprezofan2
          February 21, 2013 at 1:30 pm

          On the whole I would say nurses are respected. IMO this is one administration (and I would venture to suggest one or two low level nursing administrators or supervisors who were so eager to keep the parent happy (get him out of their faces) they never thought beyond the request. After all they were focused on the little patients in their care. Having spent 3 whole MONTHS dealing with NICU nurses, I have nothing but good stuff to say about their dedication and care, not only of their patients, but also of the parents of those children.

      • 46 Anna
        February 21, 2013 at 3:09 pm

        I am retired RN, way back when, 1969, was an African American LPN on my unit in hospital in IL. Everyone wanted Mr. Russell on their team, his was one of people that you forever remember, glad you met during your time on earth. Old white lady didn’t want him in her room, staff had conference, decided he didn’t deserve to be subjected to her abuse, we took turns going into her room, she was at bottom of our list for patient care. Mr. Russell was almost reluctant to tell us, we were angry, he was accepting of the situation, so wrong. I still have special place in my heart for Mr. Russell.

        • 47 vcprezofan2
          February 21, 2013 at 3:21 pm

          It wasn’t right then and isn’t right now, however I can see the 1969 ‘need’ for an alternate ‘plan’ on the part of the nurses. After all the ‘old white lady’ had no other frame of reference, I think. Today, I see no need for an alternate plan of this sort, and in a neo-natal unit!!!!

          • 48 Anna
            February 21, 2013 at 3:28 pm

            So true, a Patient Representative in later years of working, helped worked thru issues with patients, her approach to difficult people was, as a patient you have responsibilities also, other words, you don’t get to throw a fit and get away with all your requests.

      • 49 jackiegrumbacher
        February 21, 2013 at 3:39 pm

        VC, You’re absolutely right. That is the real story. The hospital should have told him to go to hell and good luck suing them. They should never have caved to this indecent and illegal demand. Just suppose that an AA family said they didn’t want a white nurse, or a Latino family wanted only a Latino. The hospital would have been outraged and probably denied the request. But they went right along with this racist creep.

        • 50 vcprezofan2
          February 21, 2013 at 3:48 pm

          Hi, JG, and how’s the little gd progressing! She just popped into my mind, probably because we are talking about little ones. You know, it’s the fact that someone in a health-care venue caved to such a racist demand that makes me suspect they were ‘immature’, or inexperienced or ill-trained vis-a-vis dealing with the public. I’d bet this person had visions of making the parent happy and little experience with ‘larger’ issues.

          • 51 jackiegrumbacher
            February 21, 2013 at 4:40 pm

            Oh, VC, thank you for asking about our little Sweetheart. From my completely unbiased view, she’s the cutest, smartest and most absolutely adorable baby in the world. And her grandparents dote on her to the point of idiocy.

  5. 53 vcprezofan2
    February 21, 2013 at 12:44 pm

    I’ve said this before, but I really don’t see why no one calls the GOP out for their total disregard of democratic practices. If they fight hard and lose, they never seem to accept that they have lost – case in point the ACA. They waste time and money trying to wear their opponent down to get their own outcome. IMO, this shouldn’t be tolerated and they should be called out regularly, but it doesn’t seem to happen. ๐Ÿ™„

  6. 54 japa21
    February 21, 2013 at 12:45 pm

    11 comments, 7 by vc. Making up for sleeping in and missing most of the last thread.

    • 55 carolmaewy
      February 21, 2013 at 1:14 pm

      Count me in with sleeping in, but I stayed up late trying to get caught up with you fast readers. How do you do it? Plus it is still morning here! ๐Ÿ˜€

    • 56 vcprezofan2
      February 21, 2013 at 1:15 pm

      W-e-e-ell, no one would talk to me. ;(

      [You’ve gotten to know me too well, Japa. I shall have to make a greater effort to TRY and be more ‘mysterious’ (whatever that means).]

  7. 57 Ladyhawke
    February 21, 2013 at 12:45 pm

    Your Pink Slip — Brought to You by Congressman Bill Young


    As House Republicans stubbornly stand with millionaires forcing potentially staggering job losses for the middle class, the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee is launching paid grassroots advertising to hold 27 Tea Party House Republicans accountable for the thousands of layoffs and other costs to the middle class in the upcoming sequester. “Your Pink Slip” is the first phase of the campaign and features web advertising highlighting the consequences of Tea Party House Republicans protecting millionaires instead of the middle class.

    “There are real-world consequences for middle class families because of House Republicans’ dysfunction and chronic chaos,” said DCCC Chairman Steve Israel. “For the defense workers who may get pink slips, the federal law enforcement officers who may be furloughed, and the FBI agents and the food inspectors who are looking at layoffs, they will be reminded that those pink slips have been brought to hardworking Americans by this Tea Party Republican Congress. It is time for House Republicans to come back to work to avert this crisis, stop protecting tax breaks for special interests and corporations — and stand up for the middle class.”

    “Your Pink Slip — Brought to You by Congressman Bill Young”


  8. 62 Jovie
    February 21, 2013 at 12:46 pm

    ANNAPOLIS, Md. โ€” Gov. Martin Oโ€™Malleyโ€™s mission to make Maryland a leader in offshore wind development took a positive step Wednesday when the House of Delegates approved a bill on the energy source.

    The bill would create the infrastructure for an offshore wind farm in the Atlantic Ocean. There are currently no offshore wind farms in the U.S., although several are in development in states such as Massachusetts, Rhode Island, New Jersey and Delaware.

    The bill, which is expected to pass this year after two failed attempts, could receive final approval in the House by the end of the week.

    The proposal, which would take years to develop, would also potentially increase monthly electricity bills for ratepayers by up to $1.50 a month. Businesses could see increases of up to 1.5 percent. However, ratepayers would not begin paying more until electricity is produced, which likely wouldnโ€™t be until 2017 at the earliest. The bill also requires utilities to buy offshore renewable energy credits.

    If passed, about 40 turbines would be built off the coast of Ocean City.


    Make it happen!

  9. 64 overseasgranny
    February 21, 2013 at 12:46 pm

    I’m trying to remember when we saw George & Laura Bush sitting on the gym floor and watching the twins play basketball. Wait, maybe they didn’t…Barbara Bush?…No. I give up.

    • 65 vcprezofan2
      February 21, 2013 at 3:28 pm

      Now that I’ve reread your comment, OSG, I’m offended that the FLOTUS and POTUS had to sit on the floor. Where were the tax-payer hired pages to step forward with the requisite thrones, or at least with stools.? How come the RWNJs never noticed this? ๐Ÿ˜‰ ๐Ÿ˜‰

      • 66 overseasgranny
        February 21, 2013 at 4:13 pm

        I don’t think President and First Lady Obama would have wanted it any other way. They are so nice and so involved in their children, and enjoying life so much. Poor republicans are so sad and lead such pathetic lives hating.

        • 67 vcprezofan2
          February 21, 2013 at 5:02 pm

          Enjoying life the Obamas are, and it’s such a joy to see! Just by being themselves they bring smiles to the faces/lives of so many, contrary to the grouches on the other side. I was remarking on this on twitter only a couple of days ago.\

  10. 68 japa21
    February 21, 2013 at 12:48 pm

    When people point out Chicago’s gun crimes despite Chicago having some of the strictest gun laws in the country, they don’t mention that almost all gun crimes are done using guns brought into Chicago, mostly from IN which has lax gun laws. Strengthen them around the country and fewer guns would come into Chicago.

    • February 21, 2013 at 12:54 pm

      The BBC did a story on Chicago gun violence a couple of weeks ago. In the piece they interviewed a group of former gang members. One of the young ladies made a point that it’s easier to get hold of a gun, despite the gun laws, than to get a job, because the guns are just brought in from neighboring states.

      • February 21, 2013 at 1:04 pm

        AL Jazeera Enlish did one as well, w/ the same semtiments http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIC6hdiCwZM thats not the documentary but you get the idea.

      • February 21, 2013 at 1:10 pm

        There are also brought and sold legally in neighboring communities as well. Literally within blocks/walking distance from the city boundary lines a person can buy a firearm with no consequence. Within an hour or so, that firearm is within the city limits.

      • 72 overseasgranny
        February 21, 2013 at 4:18 pm

        I was born & raised in Chicago. Before there was gang warfare there was mafia warfare and before that racial warfare between the Irish and the other ethnic groups, and always the cops on the take. I don’t know what it will take to get a change. Very sad. We moved out to the suburbs and I took the train in to work, and I used to cry looking out the window at the sad houses in the ghetto. Heartbreaking!

  11. 73 carolmaewy
    February 21, 2013 at 12:52 pm

    Turned on TV and Jansing talking about min. wage. Wouldn’t less people be hired she says as mouthpiece for corporations. Well lets cut your sallery. How’d that be? Then, taking wrestling out of the Olympics. One of the ancient sports in the Olympics. What is the world coming too? Hope it all goes to the dogs! And the cats!

  12. February 21, 2013 at 12:55 pm

    Afternoon Chipsticks, TOD. Congrats VC!

    • 75 carolmaewy
      February 21, 2013 at 1:03 pm

      LL will be excited.

      • February 21, 2013 at 1:06 pm

        Pretty interesting stuff, right Carol?

        • 77 carolmaewy
          February 21, 2013 at 1:10 pm

          Yes, it is. But I’m behind on my tech. I need to update my computer to Window 8 or buy new one. What is your suggestion?

          • February 21, 2013 at 1:16 pm

            I’m telling you, first we’ll have replicators, and then warp drive!

            • 79 carolmaewy
              February 21, 2013 at 2:15 pm

              What do I now LL? I’m getting on in years. Should I junk old computer or update old one running on Vista? Friend tells me she had huge problems in updating. Hubby doesn’t want to spend a lot of money. What brand etc. will I need a new printer too? Now I’ve read a comment on not getting window 8, but Microsoft is shutting down help, etc for Vista. That means I can’t update my iPad on that computer now. I’m in a real pickle. Should we consider laptop, we’ve always had desk model with printer nearby. What websites can I visit for info that could be of help so I wouldn’t be a bother here and OT. Thanks for any help. ๐Ÿ˜€

          • February 21, 2013 at 1:18 pm

            1rst suggestion, dont update to WIDOWS 8. We will figure out the rest later!

            • 86 57andfemale
              February 21, 2013 at 1:50 pm

              And I need to buy a new laptop this year and they all come with Windows 8. Anyone know what I can do to still use Windows 7 (which has been really good, I think, for Microsoft).

            • 90 carolmaewy
              February 21, 2013 at 2:26 pm

              Ok. Wonder if Turbo tax will work on old computer? This happened to us in 2002 or ’03. I don’t want these problems now. I want to help PBO! Remember, I live in small town and buying local means buying at Walmart. I’ve always bought online. Lots of people seem to like Macs, but I hear they cost way more. Buying used is scary, because I’m not familiar with them at all. What I know of Apple is my iPad. No cell phones, etc. Any helpful tips are appreciated. Maybe I should tell you I drive a 1994 Buick. Thats how behind the times I am. And it’s 12:56 pm here. ๐Ÿ˜‰

            • 91 carolmaewy
              February 21, 2013 at 2:33 pm


  13. February 21, 2013 at 12:57 pm

    • 93 carolmaewy
      February 21, 2013 at 1:02 pm

      Thanks for sharing. After reading the link someone posted yesterday, Faypac I think. It makes steam come out of my ears.

      • February 21, 2013 at 1:22 pm

        Yes, that was me carolmaewy. People just wouldn’t believe how defense contractors are screwing taxpayers. I was just reading a report about how the foodservice overcharged and double-billed the military to the tune of $750 million. The company admitted they had done so. The Defense Department responded by extending their contract. The fact that the company is headed by a retired General probably has something to do with the favorable treatment.

        • 95 57andfemale
          February 21, 2013 at 1:51 pm

          But we’ll ‘decimate’ the military if we rein in any of these abuses. It’s outrageous.

        • 96 carolmaewy
          February 21, 2013 at 2:38 pm

          Who has the power to stop this? Who do we write letters to? Is there Congressional over site committees turning the other way? This where the waste needs to be cut.

          • February 21, 2013 at 4:15 pm

            I wish I knew the answer to your question, it would be my full-time job. Senator Claire McCaskill of Missouri is the only legislator I know who fights to cut defense contractors. It is one of the reasons they wanted to get rid of her. I would also suggest that it is the “real” reason for opposition to Hagel. Even Cheney expressed concern that Hagel would strip defense contracts. All I can suggest is that we give Senator McCaskill our support and perhaps contact her to seek some direction.

            • 98 CarolMaeWY
              February 21, 2013 at 4:23 pm

              Well I know why Cheney. He set the thing up whe he was SecDef.

              • February 21, 2013 at 4:56 pm

                You’ll probably be surprised to learn that the military was privatized during the Clinton administration…1996. However, the budget didn’t go crazy until Howdy Doody was elected.

                • 100 CarolMaeWY
                  February 21, 2013 at 5:24 pm

                  I think I can find info on something with sometime on the computer. Just wish my brain still worked like it used too.

  14. 101 carolmaewy
    February 21, 2013 at 12:57 pm

    Speaking of cats, I am still thinking good thoughts for Emma and wondering about the despot. Has the despot melted Chips heart? ๐Ÿ˜‰ I love a good mystery. I’m still not caught up on all posts. Did I miss a clue? ๐Ÿ˜ผ

  15. February 21, 2013 at 1:17 pm

  16. 103 whatisworking
    February 21, 2013 at 1:28 pm

    Good Morning TOD family

    So much good news.

    I am stoked about the polls showing PBO’s favorability and showing who they folks will blame for the sequester.

    I have not been asking folks to call their Congressperson since they were no in DC – but duh – we should be calling them in their local offices.


    I ask each of you to call your local Congress person and either (D) thank them for supporting a balanced approach to deficit reduction or (R) ask them to compromise to avoid tanking the economy.

    I have completely updated the list of elected officials for all 50 states. – Whew

    I have added a new column (Local Offices). If you want to expand your impact, call them in DC and also call in each of their local offices, the link will give you their office number and list a zip code in their district. I don’t have the local office info for all 50 states but it ill be done by Monday when we really need to hit this hard.

    Once OFA rolls out it’s 10 congressman they are targeting we should call them non stop.

    If you don’t have time during business hours you can always call and leave a message, be sure to leave a local zip code in the message.

    I will try and post this call to action everyday, I know we can do this, after what we went through in the election, we are a lean, mean, activists machine.

    Just as there is an infinite supply of paint, there is an infinite number of times I will call Republicans.


  17. 106 Ladyhawke
    February 21, 2013 at 1:28 pm


    Hagel’s dead-enders start to look silly

    By Steve Benen


    Dave Weigel had a good take on this:

    That’s a bit of a Catch-22, isn’t it? We oppose the nomination. Thus, there is substantial opposition to the nomination. Thus, because there has never been such substantial opposition before, confirmation would be unprecedented. You have to admire the goalpost-shifting attempt, as it was only six days ago that Republicans mounted the first-ever filibuster of a national security nominee, then claimed it wasn’t a filibuster. The threshold for confirmation isn’t 51 votes. It isn’t 60. It’s 89!

    Cornyn and other Hagel opponents gave it their best shot. They even launched the first successful filibuster of a cabinet nominee in the history of the United States for no apparent reason. But now they should try to lose with a little dignity, and today’s letter won’t do the trick.



  18. 107 whatisworking
    February 21, 2013 at 1:34 pm

    Encouraging quote of the day

    โ€œEvery failure is a step closer to success.โ€

    Gun violence video

    Peter R., whose daughter was murdered at Virginia Tech – I Demand A Plan

    Share this video with a friend or on another blog

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  19. February 21, 2013 at 1:34 pm

    • 109 57andfemale
      February 21, 2013 at 1:53 pm

      He got some deal from the Feds though: a pilot program that privatizes Medicaid into managed, for profit care. I think in 10 counties (?) I may be wrong about that.

      So don’t give him any more credit than he deserves, and I’m worried about the precedent. I wish the Feds hadn’t given in to him on this.

      • February 21, 2013 at 2:06 pm

        If true, I wouldn’t worry too much, because the fact is that 26 states are just letting the Feds run their health exchanges, which is the camel’s nose to single payer. For-profit health care doesn’t work now, and a “pilot program” won’t change that.

        • 111 57andfemale
          February 21, 2013 at 2:08 pm

          I had thought that we were heading toward single payer, until I saw the deal cut with Scott. So I hope you’re right.

      • 112 jacquelineoboomer
        February 21, 2013 at 2:16 pm

        I think that was in the original law – that states could come up with a compromise as long as it was as good as or better than the requirement – if I’m remembering correctly.

        The only answer is single payer, of course. One of these days, it will be, and I’m fully convinced we’re on the way.

        • 113 57andfemale
          February 21, 2013 at 2:23 pm

          I think you’re making my point. Is a pilot privatization plan ‘as good or better’? Evidently HHS seems to think so. I can envision a bunch of these Republican nit wit governors trying the same thing.

          I think the law envisioned states that would expand rights, lower thresholds for care as being ‘as good or better’. the notion that privatization lowers costs is a conservative myth; and providing care for the poor through Medicaid, by its nature, has little overhead.

          I’m wary of a ‘Medicare Advantage’ type program for Medicaid. Hopefully it won’t open up Pandora’s Box. I was just surprised that HHS issued a waiver based on this pilot program.

          I guess the program had already been instituted and it was a mess but allegedly has been ‘fixed’. Yeah, right.

          I’m instituting a ‘wait and see’ on this. But mark my words, Rick Scott, I’m watching you!

          • 114 jacquelineoboomer
            February 21, 2013 at 2:26 pm

            I’m sure you are right, which is why I skipped over to the dream of “single payer,” after adding what I think I recall about the history of the law. I’m moving back to Florida this year, and hope to help vote the bum out! We’ll both watch him.

          • 115 japa21
            February 21, 2013 at 2:44 pm

            There are a lot of states that already do private managed care style Medicaid programs run by insurance companies. The basic concept is that these companies can do a better job of actually following the care, directing itt, resulting in better outcomes. Some do fine, some don’t.

            • 116 57andfemale
              February 21, 2013 at 3:24 pm

              Frankly, I did not know that. So this isn’t a new scheme by the King of Schemers, Rick Scott. Thanks for the info, japa.

      • February 21, 2013 at 2:25 pm

        • 118 57andfemale
          February 21, 2013 at 2:38 pm

          Medicaid expansion is a separate issue from the exchanges. Although I read yesterday that a small mistake in the ACA will actually overcome what we’ll lose by allowing RWNJ’s from refusing Medicaid — it appears that people who would otherwise be eligible for Medicaid will now be eligible for tax subsidies to buy insurance.

          The bill was predicated on Medicaid expansion; and the SC decision that states could opt out was really a kick in the head. But at least subsidies to the same people who would otherwise be eligible for Medicaid will help.

  20. 119 Ladyhawke
    February 21, 2013 at 1:35 pm


    GOP: Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory

    By smartypants


    E.J. Dionne sums up the Republican’s problem.

    On the merits, Obama has public opinion in his corner. His proposal to avoid the economic drag of the sequester with a reasonable amount of deficit reduction built on a mix of spending cuts and revenue increases through tax reform occupies the debateโ€™s broad middle ground. If the GOP wanted, based on its past positions, it could take a deal of this sort and declare victory, given all the cuts that have already passed.

    But that is not the victory the Republicans seek.

    It reminds me of the question President Obama asked in a news conference during the 2011 debt ceiling negotiations…”Can Republicans say ‘yes’ to anything?”



  21. February 21, 2013 at 1:37 pm

    Another example of people with too much money and more ways to soak the rich and the wannabes

    Rot In Hell With Your “Artisanal Ice
    “Favourite Ice is the areaโ€™s first outfit selling customized ice, hand-cut to specification, specifically for cocktails. Its growing client list includes Range,Rasika, Jaleo, Estadio, Proof, and Hankโ€™s Oyster Bar on the Hill.

    Fresh-squeezed juices, infused liquors, and house-made sodas and bitters have already infiltrated D.C.โ€™s drinking scene. Ice, it seems, is the final frontier for craft cocktails”

    Oh shut the hell up.

    more here: http://www.dcculinarian.com/dc-culinarian/2013/02/rot-in-hell-with-your-artisanal-ice.html

  22. 121 hopefruit2
    February 21, 2013 at 1:43 pm

  23. 122 Ladyhawke
    February 21, 2013 at 1:44 pm


    Speaker Boehner and the Sequester

    By Booman


    Just a week ago, Boehner told the Associated Press that the sequester was a disaster that would present him and his members with nothing but bleak options if it went into effect. And that’s just on the budget and the economy. Boehner surely agrees with Bill Kristol that the sequester is a political loser that is pointless, won’t get the Republicans any leverage, and will threaten our national security.

    So why is he playing along?

    To answer this question, perhaps we should go back to a piece that appeared on January 13th in Politico. Jim VandeHei, Mike Allen and Jake Sherman reported in that piece that the House Republicans were so deranged that they might default on our debt, allow the sequester, or force a government shutdown in the fall. The leadership didn’t know what to do with them.

    GOP officials said more than half of their members are prepared to allow default unless Obama agrees to dramatic cuts he has repeatedly said he opposes. Many more members, including some party leaders, are prepared to shut down the government to make their point. House Speaker John Boehner โ€œmay need a shutdown just to get it out of their system,โ€ said a top GOP leadership adviser. โ€œWe might need to do that for member-management purposes โ€” so they have an endgame and can show their constituents theyโ€™re fighting.โ€



    • February 21, 2013 at 3:20 pm

      One would think that the GOP “constituents” didn’t include any fire fighters, police, teachers, military personnel, elderly, immigrants, gays, people who care about the following: the environment, education, healthcare, the future of this country, world peace, mankind.

  24. 124 Vicki
    February 21, 2013 at 1:45 pm

    Hi TOD people,
    Hubris on rachel’s show Monday night got recordbreaking ratings!!
    This on a holiday evening when many folks may have been out and traveling.
    I hope that Hubris is re-played and that there is a follow-up. As many have said: What was the MSM’s part?
    Who got rich from the hoax?

  25. 126 utaustinliberal
    February 21, 2013 at 1:49 pm

    VP Biden is speaking at a Gun Violence Conference and he is raining down truth.


  26. 127 utaustinliberal
    February 21, 2013 at 1:52 pm

    • 128 jacquelineoboomer
      February 21, 2013 at 2:24 pm

      Good, because I think I heard the Defense Department has warned that 800,000 workers (in Defense alone, not to mention other federal workers) might be furloughed under the cuts. That’s a lot of families and a lot of communities.

  27. 129 carolyn
    February 21, 2013 at 1:58 pm

    I just now listened to all of Secretary Kerry’s speech at UVA. How, oh how…..did the US ever elect that foolish dolt over that man!!!
    I liked the speech because he educated and set out exactly what the State Department does, and old as I am, I didn’t know its huge portfolio. This speech was a tour de force. He explained also about funding and what a TINY percent they get of the total budget, and the HUGE rewards. I hope he goes after increasing their budget.
    I am SO happy that he is now SOS…….I know I’ve said that before, but I genuinely respect this man, and respect his knowledge of and care for his mission.

    • 130 57andfemale
      February 21, 2013 at 2:10 pm

      Fear. Nothing but fear. And Cheney and Mehlman and others who allegedly support marriage equality, allowing Karl Rove to use gay bashing as a means of winning the election.


      Oh, and Ken Blackwell and OH. Kerry most likely won the election but didn’t fight for a proper count. However, letting that kind of thing slide is the reason we are now uber-vigilant on Republican antics and fighting each and every time.

      • 131 japa21
        February 21, 2013 at 2:32 pm

        Sounds worse than it is. It means they would work 4 day weeks instead of 5. Would have same impact, however, as if 160K were let go, which still isn’t good.

      • 132 jackiegrumbacher
        February 21, 2013 at 4:00 pm

        Yes, 57, and heaven knows how many votes were stuffed into trash cans or mysteriously disappeared. Two Bush elections were stolen from Democrats and we have to make absolutely sure that never, ever happens again.

  28. 133 utaustinliberal
    February 21, 2013 at 1:59 pm

    Jay is not here to play.

  29. 135 Alycee (@jazziz2)
    February 21, 2013 at 1:59 pm

  30. 137 Ladyhawke
    February 21, 2013 at 2:12 pm

    Did a jackal just ask Jay Carney if President Obama can issue an executive order to stop the sequester?.

    • February 21, 2013 at 2:23 pm

      Good lord, did none of these White House beat reporters take basic Constitutional law? Shouldn’t that be a requirement if you’re going toโ€”supposedlyโ€”report on the workings of one branch of the Federal government? Oh, what am I saying? Their jobs aren’t to do actual reporting, but to sell ads.

      • 139 COS
        February 21, 2013 at 2:29 pm

        I was taking a sip of my coffee and I almost choked when the reporter asked that question. I think she followed that question with, “can PBO issue a mandate”. My goodness, where do these reporters come from?

    • 151 Alycee (@jazziz2)
      February 21, 2013 at 2:34 pm

      Yeah! If I get tickets, I’ll have to kidnap a couple of kids so I can get in…

      • 152 vcprezofan2
        February 21, 2013 at 3:58 pm

        /waving arm frantically/ Over here! Kidnap me! Kidnap me! Oh please, Alycee. I promise to be on my best behaviour. I won’t tickle Bo or cause any trouble. I won’t even (try to) shake PBO’s hand like CollegeK did last year. When we arrive you need only explain that I’m an overgrown child and you are planning to get me involved with ‘Let’s Move’ to help cut me down to size. I’ll give you any Easter eggs I manage to get. Oh, kidnap me, please.

        • 153 japa21
          February 21, 2013 at 4:28 pm

          I have decided I never want to be in a room where both you and Chips are. The crazy energy you both exhibit would wear me out in 3 seconds.

          • 154 vcprezofan2
            February 21, 2013 at 5:06 pm

            Awww, Japa. What if I agree to tamp it down? I can be calm and controlled – ask anyone here who knows me. ๐Ÿ˜‰ ๐Ÿ˜‰ Ask Chips. ๐Ÿ˜†

  31. 158 Alycee (@jazziz2)
    February 21, 2013 at 2:33 pm

    On now
    LIVE: House Democrats talk forced spending cuts
    House Democrats hold a hearing on possible alternatives to threatened automatic spending cuts.


    • 159 57andfemale
      February 21, 2013 at 3:30 pm

      I’d rather have a Republican than Max Baucus in the Senate, who was happy to blame PBO for the sequester today!

      NO ONE talks about the congressional commission that was supposed to come up with deficit reduction and avoid this. I’m hearing calls to progressive radio shows that say, “They knew this day in March (!) was coming, why didn’t they plan to do anything?”

      Republicans refused to budge on one nickel of revenue and the commission blew up. But Dem’s aren’t reminding people of that.

      I know we’re winning the blame game (for now); but I’d like to see Dem’s get ahead of the frame.

  32. February 21, 2013 at 2:52 pm

    Although this is not explicitly political, (it is from patheos which is a religious/spiritual website), I think it is a powerful explanation and affirmation of what President Obama is trying to do. The writer is talking about common themes in the Oscar -nominated movies, connecting Lincoln, Argo, Silver Linings Playbook, Life of Pi. It is short, and well worth the read.


  33. February 21, 2013 at 2:56 pm

    This is for UT. Man City does the Harlem Shake.

  34. February 21, 2013 at 3:00 pm

  35. February 21, 2013 at 3:20 pm

  36. 171 japa21
    February 21, 2013 at 3:24 pm

    • February 21, 2013 at 4:29 pm

      I hate having the word radical applied to the RW. Repressive and regressive are more suited IMHO. But John Miller’s sentiments are spot on.

    • 173 susanne
      February 21, 2013 at 5:28 pm

      as a baby-boomer, i resent being lumped in with the tea party garbage. boomers have been fighting for the rights of others since the early 60s, and sacrificing for the common good since we were old enough to read ‘the whole earth catalog’. if frum is looking for a scapegoat for the tea party disaster, he needs to look at the republican party’s self-interest: stirring up the crazies to get fat cat’s puppets elected.

  37. February 21, 2013 at 3:40 pm

    • 175 4morefor44
      February 21, 2013 at 3:50 pm

      and on the opposite end of the spectrum, nbc renews david gregory to a “long-term” contract. doesn’t matter that “meet the press” has been on a steady decline since he’s been at it (while the competition has gained and often overtakes him now), and clear signs it will plummet even further since he’s doing especially bad with the 54 and under demographic (sorry for the huffington poop link…it just says MTP had it’s worst ratings in 20 years with that demographic, so no need to click on it).

      and people still argue that media owners make “news” decisions based on ratings! ha!

      • 176 Vicki
        February 21, 2013 at 3:55 pm

        David Gregory carries the corporate message relentlessly. I guess that’s all that matters.

      • February 21, 2013 at 3:56 pm

        Wow. I don’t even know what to say.

        • 178 4morefor44
          February 21, 2013 at 4:07 pm

          that’s been true for a long time. many “news” people and shows with falling ratings keep getting renewed or promoted quite often. i bet gregory even got a big raise out of it too. if they promote republican talking points (i.e. what the billionaire owners want), then they’ll be there as long as they want to be, assuming there’s never a new owner who actually cares about journalism and democracy and all that crazy stuff! for the last 20-30 years though, it hasn’t really been about ratings.

          • 179 Vicki
            February 21, 2013 at 4:25 pm

            Also explains MSNBC’s daytime line-up that is all corporate all the time.

            Currently they are quoting the GOPTP “obamaquestor” without mentioning that it was the GOP idea and that they voted for it, and of course bragged about getting 98% of what they wanted.

            This is propaganda not news. Chris Jansing, Thomas Roberts, etc should be ashamed

            • 180 4morefor44
              February 21, 2013 at 4:27 pm

              yep, they’re doing exactly what they’re paid to do. in fact, they do their jobs really well, when you consider that their jobs are to be republican propagandists!! not joking…

              • 181 Vicki
                February 21, 2013 at 4:41 pm

                And i am not laughing either.
                Downthread I see that Soledad has been fired. What is CNN up to?
                Where do they think there is a market? Maybe somewheres between National Enquirer, HuffPoop, All Rudolf’s enterprises?

      • 182 Linda
        February 21, 2013 at 4:05 pm

        NBC just resigned Gregory to a ” long term ” contract to continues on MTP..


        • 183 hopefruit2
          February 21, 2013 at 5:26 pm

          This is correct. MTP has become the Republicans’ (esp. John McCain’s) personal PR program. It is being sponsored by corporate monies and interests – so despite a drop in revenue from actual viewers, they are getting funded by other sources.

    • 186 Alycee (@jazziz2)
      February 21, 2013 at 4:06 pm

      This guy is a professional and a gentleman; he’s responding to each one… My response:

      • February 21, 2013 at 4:38 pm

        Oh, very cool Alycee! I’m so glad he’s getting lots of good feedback.

        • 188 hopefruit2
          February 21, 2013 at 5:28 pm

          Yes, as I stated earlier, it is very heartening to see how well people have responded to his interview with PBO, and how he in turn has been so humble and gracious about it. ๐Ÿ™‚ ๐Ÿ™‚

  38. 189 Ladyhawke
    February 21, 2013 at 3:49 pm



    For any of the jackals capable of using a keyboard and a mouse, there is an abundance of information right at their fingertips on the actions the administration has taken on the sequester at WHITEHOUSE.GOV (Who knew?)

    Jay Carney asked the jackals to check out the item below for details on the sequester.

    A Balanced Plan to Avert the Sequester and Reduce the Deficit


  39. February 21, 2013 at 3:50 pm

    GENIUS, How cool is this?

  40. 196 jackiegrumbacher
    February 21, 2013 at 4:18 pm

    I spoke to a professor emeritus of economics today, who’s had a long history of government, private sector and academic positions. He said there would be two consequences to the sequester–the real one and the perceived one. The real one will involve actual job losses and affect the livelihood of government workers, contractors and those who depend on the social services that will be cut. As difficult as this will be for real people, it would lead to a mild recession, but one we could recover from, especially if there were later adjustments in the sequester’s impact. The perceived one could have more severe consequences. If investors believe that the sequester is a big deal, they will react nervously, curtail their investments and start a serious decline in the market which would affect pensions, start up business money, housing etc. Those consequences, combined with the job losses, could be huge. I don’t know who is playing chicken with whom at this point, but the big money bosses had better start putting a very big thumb on Boehner and his crew,

    • 197 japa21
      February 21, 2013 at 4:26 pm

      In theory, investors should be smart enough to realize the actual consequences, although major to people experiencing them, overall are small and rectifible. But investors are not necessarily smart.

  41. 198 Lb4Obama
    February 21, 2013 at 4:34 pm

    Just saw over at Huff Post that Soledad O’Brien has been axed at CNN. Been home sick past two days and have been checking CNN out and WOW! They have really lost it. Their new graphics even look like Fox News. Soledadwas never my favorite on camera, but she is a goo journalist. Asks the tough questions and is a PBO supporter. This will not help them. Jeff Zucker, since taking over is chasing Fox older viewers who are dying off. Not too smart IMHO.

    • 199 Linda
      February 21, 2013 at 4:41 pm

      She lost her show…but is still employed . This is the second time they did this to her……

      • 200 japa21
        February 21, 2013 at 4:47 pm

        Just a formailty before she is gone. The problem for her will be trying to find a place that will let her do the job the way she feels it should be done: find out the truth and don’t do false equivalency.

      • 201 anniebella
        February 21, 2013 at 4:56 pm

        I will send TeaNN a email, and it won’t be nice.

    • 202 japa21
      February 21, 2013 at 4:41 pm

      One source yesterday indicated that one of the reasons is that she is a tough interviewer and that is not the direction CNN wants to go. All fluff all the time.

    • 204 4morefor44
      February 21, 2013 at 5:15 pm

      i don’t know about obrien’s ratings, but i do know a little about jeff zuker’s accomplishments:

      “During Zucker’s tenure, NBC slid from first place to fourth place in the ratings. Shows that Zucker championed such as Father of the Pride and the Friends spinoff Joey were considered failures.[15]”

      then of course gets promoted to do this:

      “In 2010, in response to a public controversy over the network’s reported rescheduling of late-night hosts Jay Leno and Conan O’Brien, Los Angeles Times reporters Meg James and Matea Gold declared that Zucker’s tenure had led to “a spectacular fall by the country’s premier television network” and dubbed the intra-network feud and subsequent public relations fallout “one of the biggest debacles in television history”.[17] Under Zucker NBC fell from being the number one rated network to the lowest rated of the four broadcast networks and was occasionally being beaten in the ratings by programming on some of the more popular cable channels.”

      naturally, deserves a promotion after that performance:

      “Dowd also reported that an unnamed “honcho at another network” stated that “Zucker is a case study in the most destructive media executive ever to exist… Youโ€™d have to tell me who else has taken a once-great network and literally destroyed it.”[18]”

      he then gets paid $40M to leave. now cnn wants some of that magic. again, ALL the major “news” places are now for republican propaganda. not ratings. primetime tv shows need ratings, but not “news” programming. it’s worth it to the owners to lose money on the news shows as long as no liberals get elected and raise their taxes.

      • 206 Vicki
        February 21, 2013 at 5:52 pm

        You sure got Zucker’s number and the thinking that CNN did when they hired him
        All he has to do is keep up the disaster porn programming. No news needed.
        Intersperse disaster porn with propaganda so viewers think they know what is happening in our country.
        CNN viewers are or will be as uninformed and clueless as Fox viewers.

        For now MSNBC provides some alternative. For example: CNN had wall-to-wall coverage of the cruise ship with heavy emphasis on poop.
        Ed Shultz did one hour on the troubled ship and he had a maritime expert on who told us about Carnivals horrible record and regisrty in The Bahamas (shades of Transocean) so they weren’t subject to US safety regs.
        That’s reporting and news.

        CNN had a stream of mostly young, female and inconvenienced passengers talking about pooping in a bag.

  42. February 21, 2013 at 4:42 pm

  43. 212 hopefruit2
    February 21, 2013 at 4:50 pm

    The guy (Marcus Davis) whose mural with PBO hugging a little girl was featured on the TOD front page was on Martin Bashir just now it seems. ๐Ÿ™‚

  44. 214 kasai
    February 21, 2013 at 4:53 pm

    Good Day Tods..and Chips:-)

    I love this picture…just like regular folks enjoying family time…PBO looks like he’s getting ready to “bust a move”..If He wasn’t sitting down…maybe he’s groovin on the floor.. What a beautiful first family!!! …Thank you Chips:-)

    Have a Splendid Day/Evening..

  45. February 21, 2013 at 5:00 pm

  46. 216 JER
    February 21, 2013 at 5:07 pm

    • 217 anniebella
      February 21, 2013 at 5:24 pm

      Some people think alot of Chris Christie, I don’t. The people of New Jersey better open their darn eyes and get rid of that man.

  47. February 21, 2013 at 5:22 pm

  48. February 21, 2013 at 5:24 pm

  49. 223 sonjiaduncan
    February 21, 2013 at 5:38 pm

    Marcus Davis of Houston was on Martin Bashir today talking about his Obama murals. Great interview.

  50. 224 57andfemale
    February 21, 2013 at 5:41 pm

  51. February 21, 2013 at 5:49 pm

  52. 227 hopefruit2
    February 21, 2013 at 5:57 pm

  53. February 21, 2013 at 6:00 pm

    This quite upsetting

    • 230 99ts
      February 21, 2013 at 8:07 pm

      It also confirms that whistleblowers are always the scapegoats – no laws seem able to change that – upsetting and sad

  54. February 21, 2013 at 6:37 pm

    A little off-topic, but really you could extrapolate this to Dems vs. Repubs too. Enjoy! ๐Ÿ™‚

  55. 241 susanne
    February 21, 2013 at 6:50 pm

    hawaii news team interviewed pbo at the white house–video and commentary. and yes, they ask him if he’ll retire in hawaii, if his presidential library will be in hawaii, and (drumroll) if he speaks pidgin!


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