Latest CNN. President Obama is going to release drone documents. http://www.cnn.com
I wonder how long before some rwnj starts screaming impeachment noise?
i know about the white papers, I also know about the idiot liberals running off their fool mouths. I just don’t see why PBO feels the need to release those documents. There was obviously a reason he didn’t release them a year and a half ago when they were sued for the release of those papers. why release them now because a bunch of loud mouths are whining?
If I knew that I’d be an adviser in the WH. I’m not gonna question the Prez. Anyone that was a Constitutional Law Professor is not gonna get ANY criticism from me.
He’s releasing it to congress members on the committee who are entitled to see certain classified documents. He’s not just releasing it wily-nily to the public.
I don’t see it that way. He’s a constitutional lawyer who kept this secret for 4 years when he could have released it at any time. Obviously, he didn’t believe it should be released. In fact, the Justice Department bent over backwards to pretend that this didn’t exist. nothing has changed in the year and a half since the DOJ was asked for/sued for this information.In fact, if the ass who leaked the white papers hadn’t done so, no one would be talking about this now. Also, there’s no reason for congress or the media to know anything in those documents other than rank nosiness and prurient curiosity. Instead of imposing themselves on PBO’s area of expertise, why don’t they do the jobs they were elected to do i.e.: pass a jobs bills, gun control, immigration, etc. The press are just a bunch of vultures looking for the next shiny object i.e.: the white papers. The American people don’t care about this– it’s no scientific poll, but i’ve been going around asking people about this and they couldn’t give a flying fuck. The first think they tend to say is: “he’s a terrorist. doesn’t matter where he was born.” they are well aware, contrary to what The Cow has been mooing about, that this document doesn’t allow PBO to drag regular Americans out of their beds to face execution. For them, a terrorist by any other name or origins is still a terrorist. the media’s interest in this is to find something bad about PBO to smear him with, congress’s interest in this is that they are a bunch of lazy slackers who don’t think they should do their own jobs, but monitor what PBO is doing. Would that many of them had thought of babysitting GW before they jumped on his war bandwagon.
” In fact, the Justice Department bent over backwards to pretend that this didn’t exist. ”
This is not entirely true, Lisa. Last year, AG Eric Holder publicly discussed the underlying rationale for the drone policy. The Media and Congress did not pay attention because somehow the use of drones to eliminate Al Qaida leaders was not seen as an issue that Republicans could run on and win against President Obama. Can you Imagine Romney running on an issue that he is against using drones to eliminate terrorists who are bent on killing innocent Americans? Now that the President was re-elected, his enemies, both on the right and the left are busy looking for any excuse to attack him.
Unfortunately, whether you and I like it or not, Congress, through its oversight powers under the Constitution, is entitled to know what’s is in the documents. Now that Congress requested the documents, I see no reason why President Obama should be attacked for complying with Congressional request. In a Democracy, a President is not a dictator. He cannot arbitrary refuse to comply with Congressional oversight requests for documents. As far as I am concerned, the fact that the President is willing to release these documents means that he is very confident about the legality of his policies.
Having said that, I still share your disgust with the Press and Congress. They are not looking for TRUTH. All they are looking for is to create a scandal to pin on President Obama. Like you, I wish the media and Congress would focus on solving real problems confronting Americans instead of peddling manufactured scandals.
Clarification, I’m not attacking the president for making this decision. I’m stating my disagreement with his action. Also, this is not the first time congress has asked for this information and PBO didn’t give it to them then. I’m also aware of the fact that we live in a democracy, the point is, he never gave them the info a year and a half ago and every other time they asked Holder about it, I’m curious about the calculation now. There’s a video of Holder testifying before a committee and I think Leahy (?) tries to ask him about it and Holder awkwardly steps away from the topic by given like a one or two word answer. That’s what I’m talking about, not the issue of drones, but the killing of so called ‘American’ terrorists which is what all this hullabaloo is all about.
Lisa – I don’t know enough background to leave other than a generic response, but please allow me to say that circumstances change, we don’t know what they were, and President Obama has made a strategic decision which has resulted in the current outcome. Not sure if that helps answer part of the questions you have, because it’s so generic, but it’s all I got! More light may be shed on all of this in the coming days.
I apologize if I suggested, or somehow implied, that you were attacking the President. I’ve read over my comment and I just can’t find any thing I wrote that accused you of personally attacking the the President. My beef was with the media and not you. My terse comment about democracy was to highlight the reality that the President’s actions are not immune from Congressional oversight, no matter how idiotic the people conducting the oversight may be. Obviously I was not clear; otherwise you would not have concluded that I accused you of attacking the President.
If, as you assert, the President and the AG refused to share information before about ‘American terrorists” but are now sharing it then I have no answer. My hunch is that it may have to do with the fact that the Senate has to confirm the nominee to be the Director of the CIA who may have been personally involved in devising the policy about how to treat ‘American terrorists.’
Hey nathkatun, I was clarifying because I hoped I didn’t come off as sounding like the ‘Obama caved’ PL bullpokie crowd. The last thing I wanted was for one of my few disagreements with PBO’s action to seem as though I’ve lost faith in his ability to do his job well. Once I read your statement, I realized that I could come off that way so I made my clarification. You didn’t say I was attacking PBO, but I guess that was my own projection. Thanks for sticking it through with me.
If that happens, it will be the liberal’s own doing. It’s like there is nothing else worth debating. Whatever happened to gun control? Can’t they give updates on ACA? Why this obsession with drones? I thought we were supposed to take out not only al-Qaida but also its supporters. Where is the issue?
You aren’t going to try to sing Bob Marley songs, are you, Barb? (Oh, forgive me for that cheap shot, but I’ve heard you sing, BCFF.) (Sorry, again.) (No, really, just tryin to make ya laugh.) (Just don’t sing, okay?)
Lurker in for a comment. Good evening everyone. It’s such a pleasure lurking here every day. Thanks for all that you provide. Chips, love your poll and I vote for an “all of the above” button also. It’s a difficult choice because all of his songs are excellent. Bob was definitely a philosopher in terms of his lyrics. Thank you.
That song is the backdrop to one of my favourite scenes from one of my favourite movies, “Serendipity”, with Annie Lennox singing her version. I love Bob Marley’s version, too.
I love most of them but Waiting In Vain is my favorite. I kid you not, I’ve played that song eleventy billion times in a row when I first put it on my mp3 player.
…rules play an important role in any organization, no matter how large or small. They become the tools by which people in an organization hold each other and their leaders accountable…Its on us as citizens of a democracy to elect someone that we trust to abide by the rules.
And the drone nonsense – the GOP and the media still searching for something – anything – negative about the President. The media continues to support them – they just can’t accept that the blah guy is a good guy – all the time. I hate that a country’s defense strategy/operations are thrown up by the media for the world to see – if ever there is a way to cause world wide issues this is it. The GOP really hates their President at this point in time & will forever use anything against him – trying to destroy the US both internally and externally in the process.
I hadn’t heard it was the GOP. there was an article on one of the previous threads about Boner agreeing with some establishment GOP foreign policy congressman’s letter about there being nothing wrong with the program. I agree with you though. the media and the regular members of congress don’t need to know anything about this? what’s the purpose? Civil liberties groups will comb through the papers and then sue the government for whatever the fuck dumbass liberal bullshit they can come up with. asses.
The same liberals who pretended they didn’t want Mittster Romney to win and celebrated happily on November 6 are now out with a zealous fervor on the President. For what? For wanting to protect the American people from Al Queida and its supporters, whoever they may be.
that’s fine. There’s nothing wrong with questioning PBO’s decisions nor is there anything wrong in disagreeing with a move he makes. I happen to disagree with this one given the fact that the same congress people he’s releasing this info to can’t be trusted to wipe their own butts, but as you intimated, it’s his decision.
Lisa – the GOP will stir anything that is against the President. The right wing blogs/news are now talking non stop about drones – taken over from Benghazi.
It is, however, good to see that the press must be thinking the internal/budget issues are all positive for the President
Hagel Panel vote Delayed, republicans want more information.
I don’t think he is getting through, just to much obstruction.
And the democrats will vote for him, but will not fight for him.
Amazing!
They don’t want him confirmed, especially before the sequester kicks in. He will gladly cut from the defense budget. He would cut defense contracts. They would rather sell their Mama. Hagel will look out for the military.
War Of Words Between Nutter Administration And Blue-Collar Workers Union Continues
The Nutter administration is asking the state Supreme Court for a ruling on whether they can impose its final contract offer on District Council 33, saying a decision in the lower court would have been appealed anyway. Union Chief Pete Matthews called this move and its possible implications an assault on all public sector unions.
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Why Negotiate if you can just have the courts decide what a contract will be…this is not bargaining in good faith…it cuts at the core of collective bargaining
There is nothing but empty space where all the videos should be. Something wrong with WordPress, or Youtube or Firefox or maybe I’m loosing it? Could be any number of things…
Hmmm Toni Braxton in a new Lifetime movie on Saturday. It looks like it may be good. I also read that Toni’s son with autism will be making his acting debut. It premieres Saturday on Lifetime at 8pm EST I think.
I was just going to post this. Last night I think I mentioned Jon Stewart had asked him about this on the Daily Show. I was wondering why everyone thought it was new? ie. Rachel etc. in my source it said he had made this commitment on Daily Show. Sorry I can’t remember details.
”Administration officials said Mr. Obama had decided to take the action — which they described as extraordinary — out of a desire to involve Congress in the development of the legal framework for the use of drones. Aides noted that Mr. Obama had made a pledge to do that during an appearance on “The Daily Show” last year. ”
–I just LOVE that the aides referenced the Daily Show. Jon Stewart should be proud!
Ah!!! Chips..I had to vote for all of Bob Marley songs…Thank you..Thank you… for paying tribute to a legend, activist..and much more..He had such special bond with Ethiopian and his Majesty Haile Sellassie…the whole Rastafarian movement…it takes me back to my childhood.
He died too young…but the impact he made in the world…not just with music…but for Humanity…will live for ever. I love him dearly.
Happy Bob Marley Day Everyone:-)
~One Love~
I am very proud of you hopefruit for coming back to reality! You’ve set an example for all of us. that it’s O.K. to seek professional help if you happen to be inflicted with delusional thoughts.
GB, here is my question to Roger Simon: Is he O.K. with having “dumb…pundits” trying to manipulate and influence ordinary Americans? I say to Roger Simon: just imagine how socially and politically advanced America would be if we didn’t have “dumb” media pundits, like Dick Morris, who routinely misinform their readers, viewers and listeners.
I don’t know what’s getting into the two of them. Since when they’ve turned into Ministers of Defense??? It is very clear to me that going after those who want to harm us will involve collateral damages and unfortunate casualties. Furthermore, I don’t think the nature of one’s passport warrants an alternative treatment once it has been proven that an individual is a member of al-Qaida. Anyone who is defending the fate of Al-Awlaki has ulterior motives.
” I don’t think the nature of one’s passport warrants an alternative treatment once it has been proven that an individual is a member of al-Qaida. Anyone who is defending the fate of Al-Awlaki has ulterior motives.”
All I can say, NCLB, is: “Amen!”
As far as I am concerned, the President is obligated to use every means necessary to protect Americans. And, if an American citizen joins Al Qaida (or any other terrorist organization), and he is actively plotting to inflict death and destruction on Americans, then I say that the President is justified in using any and all means necessary to take him out before he is able to inflict bloodshed and mayhem on innocent people.
Exactly. I’m not wasting any tears for that sick fuck. He’s likely roasting in hell–where he belongs– thanking God/ or what-the-fuck-ever deity he believes in– he didn’t get the Osams Bin Laden Saturday Night Special. Fucker. Rachel, Ed and all the idiots in congress can go suck a rotten egg. Biggest bunch of assholes alive.
Lisa, did you get your glass of Moscato? I hear you. I am so up the road with those two. Promised myself not to listen tonight, so I did some texting to my great niece to see how she is doing in school. Then I tuned in to watch my hot one on the cooking channel(Bobby Deen) Love him. Did some last piles of the paper work for the month, while waiting for Lawrence O’Donnell.
Went downstairs and followed yardarm’s advice. Nice glass of white wine. I even feel better, Lisa and Yardarm. Thanks for your contributions on both fronts. Nice and mellow. ((((( Nice)))))HZ
Funnily enough, HZ, I did have a small glass and it was fantastic! I too avoided those shows and instead caught up on some old episodes of shows I hadn’t seen in a while. I hope you’re feeling better, HZ. you’re in my thoughts.
I thought traitors to the country were always reviled? Why is a man who chose to join a terror organization, dedicated to killing massive numbers of Americans, now being emulated as symbol of human rights struggle?
Good evening
My favorite Bob Marley song is Exodus. I first heard and danced to it many moons ago. I had to flip the channel on Rachel; can’t stand her yelling and screaming. WTF do these firebaggers want?
Everyone have a nice evening. I’m going to treat myself to pizza and milk. 🙂 It’s a constellation prize to listening to all the drone hate talk since Monday. Bill Press is a hypocrite. This morning he said he had nothing against drones; but doesn’t want Americans killed . Oh, he also wants to know who is the higher authority giving the order for drone strikes. Maybe he’ll join his buddy Dennis over @ POX News after Current goes off air.
Oh Chips, you have no idea – absolutely no idea what you did to me with this Bob Marley tribute. Thanks so much, You have me digging into my archives. My first intro to Mr. Marley was through Kaya (the song that is – I was a child vacationing in Canada and singing along quite innocently, having no idea what it meant, but that is not the point right now).
My all time favorite is No Woman, No Cry, but since you started this here goes:
– Who the Cap Fit
– Roots, Rock, Reggae
– Iron Lion Zion
– Coming In From the Cold
– Johnny Was
– Sun Is Shining
– So Much Trouble in the World
– Time Will Tell (“Jah will never give the power to a bald head…” Wooooooooo!)
– One Drop
– Natural Mystic
My favorite Bob Marley lyric though is from “Buffalo Soldier”: “When I analyze the stench, to me, it makes a lot of sense.”
I’m was listening to John Boehner and his crap. I had to turn the channel. I remember the talk about FLOTUS rolling her eyes at Boehner, well it made me love and respect her even more. Because John Boehner is a lying nasty bastard.
I don’t blame VP Biden. Talking to people who get elected, swear to serve the people, and that have to be begged to do the right thing after seeing 20 six year olds get blown to bits just because they went to school that day?! It’s not normal.
Yes, theo67 you are so right on with your comments about VPBiden’s reactions. I just will never understand how some of these people sleep at night. These were little precious kids who did not even have a chance at defending themselves. It brings me to tears every time I think of their teachers trying to shield them and trying to place them as safely away as possible. Then we have these coward people in Congress hiding behind whatever shit they are hiding behind, rather doing the right thing,tears my heart out of my chest.
I know as president, POB’s heart is so full. He can’t do this alone, and that is why we here are committed in doing all that we can to help him and VP Biden. I believe he will do everything in his power to ask us to help him do the right thing. It is going to be hard, but our TOD family will stand up for all children all over this nation. It hurts so much.
Dr. Martin L. King, Jr., said ,:”Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.” Also another one: “Faith is taking the first step even when you don’ t see the whole staircase.” Dr. Martin L. King, Jr.
(((((((((((((((((((( We Love Our President and our VP.))))))))))))))))))) Wisdom be granted to both daily, Almighty. HZ
So I opened the Bob Marley thread 2x on Google Chrome and one has all the videos other does not. So Just dont refresh the one that plays and post on the other. Been working for me for last 2 hours. Just got through listening to the full 1 hours album “Legend” other videos still working.
This is why I am more Center Left and not a Liberal or a progressive.
Because, when it cones to the Nations Defense, they don’t care, they only care about our Enemies getting killed, and not America.
Their is No loyalty to America, only to being a Hippee.
Extremism of any kind is not good for progressive. These “progressives” are not about progress, they are a bunch of MALCONTENTS who spend their entire adult life looking for attention in the wrong ways.
Jovie, the people who make the most noises are not liberals or progressives. They’re sensationalists who thrive on outrage. If they’re in the media, they have calculated that the outrage will bring them more exposure. I want to see the outrage at the lives lost through gun violence, the needless deaths that occur when Republican governors refuse to extend Medicaid, the wasted lives in so many urban areas and in the economically dead parts of our states where meth addiction is rampant. The ones who are the most rabid in their criticism of the president have never had to deal with terrorists threats and never had to make tough decisions about protecting the country. They have zero credibility on this issue and should be ignored and scorned. I will not waste one second of my time listening to them. If they want to change the way our defense is run they can do the hard work of running for president. Then they might have my attention.
scott brown’s continuing public service, now as fox spews pundit:
‘ On Wednesday Brown revealed that he’s joining the board of directors of paper company Kadant Inc. and is in negotiations to be a Fox News contributor. ‘
How absolutely appropriate for Brown. No responsibility, no accountability, just a place to spout off and some good money. To quote GWB….”Heckuva job Brownie!”
So it was money all along, Big surprise. Like Palin, he served a partial term and now positions himself to rake in the $$ from “board” positions and Fox. Sarah made a million a year from her Fox contract. You have to work hard to hustle the sale of your vote to make that much as senator.
I saw replay of this Republican on Mrs. Greenspan’s show who said he had no problem with the drones strikes, he said he knew all about them and he supported what the President was doing. I think his name was Rep. Mike Rodgers. So if he knew, others knew about it too.
anniebella thanks for reminding me of this interview; here is tag for it
House Intel Chair on White House drone policy: “There is oversight” http://on.msnbc.com/TLFFxt via @mitchellreports
Yes anniebella, it was Rep. Rodgers speaking with “Ms.Mitchell-Greenspan this morning. I stopped because he was making a point that Ms. Mitchell could not get him to agree with her. She was so trying to tire him up in knots, but he was not going to allow her to do so. He and others knew of the information that they needed to know as he was statingI also read that Diane Feinstein had read the reports way back in June of last year and the members of her committee. So I wonder why RM and ED have not had them on their shows. Just saying. I believe Rep. Rodgers is on the House Committee for Foreign Affairs. . HZ
Here is the interview that I was speaking of anniebella as well. It was with Ms. Mitchell-Greenspan on her show this morning. I do not watch her, but I was changing channels and saw Rep. Mike Rogers (R-Mich) speaking with some sense, so I stopped to listen.
HZ, Thank you so much for sharing this. As much as I detest Republicans, I think Rep. Mike Rogers was honest and forthright. Mrs. Greenspan appeared to be very angry that the Republican Congressman steadfastly refused to trash President Obama. Mrs. Greenspan is obviously an Obama hater and has no business pretending to be an objective journalist. This woman tried every angle to lead the Republican Congressman to denounce the President without much success. To repeat, Mrs. Greenspan was visibly angry that Rep. Mike Rogers refused to buy into her outrage against the President. Kudos for Rep. Mike Rogers for putting the safety of Americans above partisan politics and media hatred of President Obama.
Good night Bob! Thanks for being such a principled TRUTH teller. I simply don’t understand how people have conveniently forgotten about the indescribable horror we all experienced on 9/11. Like you, I am grateful that we have a president who is not afflicted with amnesia. 9/11, as well as other horrific terrorist attacks, proved, beyond a shadow of doubt, that Al Qaida loyalists have no qualms slaughtering innocent people. I wholeheartedly support all means necessary to prevent Al Qaida from inflicting death and mayhem on other innocent people. I am totally pissed that some armchair media pundits are working feverishly to turn the President’s determination to protect Americans into a major scandal. SHAME ON THE USELESS U.S. MEDIA! Some, like Mrs. Greenspan, are only interested in trashing President Obama and could care less about the security and lives of Americans.
“I am totally pissed that some armchair media pundits are working feverishly to turn the President’s determination to protect Americans into a major scandal. SHAME ON THE USELESS U.S. MEDIA! Some, like Mrs. Greenspan, are only interested in trashing President Obama and could care less about the security and lives of Americans.”
I wonder….if Rachel and Ed and the gang of holier than thou complainers had been given the opportunity to send a drone to kill Timothy McVeigh ,before the Oklahoma Bombing, would they have done it? If they could have stopped Sandy Hook with a drone, what would they choose to do?….Aurora or Columbine or Tuscon?….yes, all of those acts of terrorism were committed on American soil by Americans but what if? How many lives have been saved by drones without putting a single boot on the ground? Now I am not suggesting that drones be used for crime control but just thinking, I know what I would have done.
Well said Bob! Like you, I am thankful that media pundits like Mrs. Greenspan. Rachel Maddow and Ed Schultz are not the ones entrusted with making decisions about protecting our people. These pundits have a very easy privileged life, with virtually no responsibilities. All they do is go on T.V. and trash the President and then collect their six or seven figure incomes at the end of the year. If terrorists attack America, as they did on 9/11/01, they are not the ones who will be held responsible.
As far as I am concerned, I could care less about the opinions of these self-indulgent media pundits, some of whom pretend to be serious journalists. On this issue of using drones to eliminate terrorists who are plotting to kill innocent people, I am 100% in support of the President. I want him to take the terrorists out before they can be able to slaughter people as they did on 9/11!
Members of Congress have had this White Paper,,,indeed a classified version…for over a year….why now the outrage…
the Press has found a shiney new object to press the President….
and the GOP Senate has found a way to filibuster Hagel without using the Filibuster…with the help of Democrats i might add…
not much discuission on the DOJ bringing fraud charges against the S & P
i hope that all this outrage does not sap the momentum from gun safety legislation and immigration reform or the voter bill …
I’ve been reading this wonderful thread and listening to the great music while I enjoyed my Jamaican Rum Punch. Before I turn in, I wanted to thank everyone and share my favorite Bob Marley quote…for the fellas:
“If she’s amazing, she won’t be easy.
If she’s easy, she won’t be amazing.
If she’s worth it, you won’t give up.
If you give up, you’re not worthy….
Truth is, everybody is going to hurt you;
you just gotta find the ones worth suffering for.”
Not trying to imply a word of Bob Marley’s ever needs to be changed, just wanted to add a little 21st Century counter take, on behalf of my fellow women (hear us roar, young and old) — hoping he wouldn’t mind:
“If he’s amazing, she’ll be amazing.
If she’s amazing, he’ll be amazing.
If he’s worth it, she won’t give up.
If she’s worth it, he won’t give up.
If you give up, you’re not worthy …
Truth is, everybody is going to hurt you;
no one said it was ever going to be easy;
you just gotta find the ones worth suffering for.”
Republicans and Fox News are moving to purge the controversial political creatures they created.
Both were damaged badly in 2012 by loud, partisan voices that stoked the base — but that scared the hell out of many voters. Now, the GOP, with its dismal image, and Fox News, with its depressed ratings in January, are scrambling to dim those voices. To wit:
Fox ousted contributors Sarah Palin and Dick Morris, two of the most obnoxiously partisan figures on the network’s air.
Karl Rove, himself sidelined by Fox after the election, has helped start a new super PAC, the Conservative Victory Fund, designed to keep controversial conservatives like Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa) from winning Senate primaries.
Senate GOP leaders created what amounts to a buddy system with their caucus’s most popular tea party members, Sens. Rand Paul of Kentucky and Ted Cruz of Texas, to get their help in taming anti-establishment conservatives.
Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal has been running around the country warning anyone who will listen that Republicans must quit being the “stupid party” that nominates nutty candidates.
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At various points, many of those celebrities, all with Fox contracts, were at or near the top of Republican presidential polls: Newt Gingrich, Rick Santorum, Palin and Mike Huckabee. But by the end of campaign, Fox could seem like an alternate universe, one in which the Benghazi killings were the most important story in America and Mitt Romney, contrary to public polls and Fox’s own polls, was on his way to winning the election. While ratings were strong, the network had a bumpy election night, capped off by Rove taking to its air to argue that everyone else was premature in calling Ohio for President Barack Obama. Rove, who recently had his Fox contract renewed, saw his appearances scaled back after the scene.
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Still, it’s a lot easier to talk about change and shake up the cast of characters than to authentically change. A number of conservatives think Rove and establishment bullying are the problem with the GOP, not bombastic personalities on Fox or in isolated campaigns.
Steve Deace, a prominent conservative talk-radio host in Iowa, took to POLITICO’s pages to eviscerate Rove and his effort, calling him the “demolition man.”
“Rove’s prominent and annoying display on Fox News as the Republican ruling class’ mouthpiece and his new effort aimed at defeating the Tea Party makes him the point man for destroying the very conservative movement that made him a national name in politics in the first place,” Deace wrote.
So a political colonoscopy is going on before our eyes. Republican after Republican told us the party dodged a bullet with Mitt Romney’s loss: If he had squeaked in, this vital reboot would have been delayed four or eight years.
The Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) is an independent civilian intelligence agency of the United States government. It is an executive agency and reports directly to the Director of National Intelligence,[7] with responsibility for providing national security intelligence assessment to senior United States policymakers. Intelligence-gathering is performed by non-military commissioned civilian intelligence agents, many of whom are trained to avoid tactical situations. The CIA also oversees and sometimes engages in tactical and covert activities at the request of the President of the United States.[8] Often, when such field operations are organized, the U.S. military or other warfare tacticians carry these tactical operations out on behalf of the agency while the CIA oversees them.[9] Although intelligence-gathering is the agency’s main agenda, tactical divisions were established in the agency to carry out emergency field operations that require immediate suppression or dismantling of a threat or weapon.[10]
The CIA succeeded the Office of Strategic Services (OSS), formed during World War II to coordinate espionage activities against the Axis Powers for the branches of the United States Armed Forces. The National Security Act of 1947 established the CIA, affording it “no police or law enforcement functions, either at home or abroad”.[11][12] Through interagency cooperation, the CIA has Cooperative Security Locations at its disposal. These locations are called “lily pads” by the Air Force.[13][14] The primary function of the CIA is to collect information about foreign governments, corporations, and individuals, and to advise public policymakers, but it does conduct emergency tactical operations and carries out covert operations,[15][16] and exerts foreign political influence through its tactical divisions, such as the Special Activities Division.[17] The CIA and its responsibilities changed markedly in 2004. Before December 2004, the CIA was the main intelligence organization of the U.S. government; it was responsible for coordinating the activities of the U.S. Intelligence Community (IC) as a whole. The Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act of 2004 created the office of the Director of National Intelligence (DNI), which took over management and leadership of the IC.
Oh, and Rin Wyden can Suck it! Trying to make a name for himself by always opposing the President.
The last time he reared his ugly head, he signed on with Ryan to voucherize Medicare
He is a typical Senator, who just wants power and glory!
FYI, Rev AL was always about this…..against Wars, bombings, just like MKL was during ‘Nam. If he was not, he wouldn’t be a REAL Rev. Rev supports pres Obama. Just saying.
His profession….his calling is Preaching about Jesus, Holy Ghost and God, first. Look at his causes from that lens.
Carlo Muñoz – 02/07/13 05:00 AM ET
John Brennan will be bombarded with probing questions Thursday about the targeted killings of American citizens overseas.…
War is my favorite Bob Marley song. If he was alive today, he would be singing the also about the plight of the Palestinians and what is going on today and their living conditions.
68 yrs old, Bob Marley would have been. He died way too young. His songs and words would live on for Eternity.
Obama White House.gov
The Obama Diary 
Ha. Ha. Ha.
Amk, you are to fast. 🙂 Congrats.
FIFO. I’ll let you all ponder on that one.
Whoa! Dude! You are gonna end up with a whole bag of cheesy puffs at this rate! 😆
Hey Chips.
Rastafarian!
Don’t worry folks. I am on the way out.
No no no…stay for the Bob Marley party. We’ve just started.
Hang around, you wuss.
Happy Birthday Bob!!!
I love his music!
HAHAHAHAHAHA! Yes, Ed & Rachel are THAT ridiculous.
Great Tweet from BWD:)
Ed is taking the drama to the nth power tonight. I refuse to listen to any pundit talking about drones tonight. ENOUGH!!!!
I did not watch Ed and Rachel tonight.
love Marley and the Raegee sound!…hits my soul
Another favorite from my fellow Jamaican:
Excellent selection of Bob’s hits, Chips. 🙂 another nice one:
What just happened? I can’t see any of the videos?!?!? I saw them a while ago…. 😦
Such a beautiful face.
Latest CNN. President Obama is going to release drone documents. http://www.cnn.com
I wonder how long before some rwnj starts screaming impeachment noise?
Looks like ole Ed Schultz is outting his oar in the water on this. Another ‘fair weather’ Dino!
what’s the purpose of releasing those documents?
Andrea Mitchell thinks its to ease brennan’s hearing.
Andrea Mitchell thinks the sky can be found up her boney old backside.
LOL!!!
*chokes*
Where have you been the last two days? Folks have been jumping up and down about drones killing American citizens. Whether they’re terrorist or not.
i know about the white papers, I also know about the idiot liberals running off their fool mouths. I just don’t see why PBO feels the need to release those documents. There was obviously a reason he didn’t release them a year and a half ago when they were sued for the release of those papers. why release them now because a bunch of loud mouths are whining?
If I knew that I’d be an adviser in the WH. I’m not gonna question the Prez. Anyone that was a Constitutional Law Professor is not gonna get ANY criticism from me.
He’s releasing it to congress members on the committee who are entitled to see certain classified documents. He’s not just releasing it wily-nily to the public.
Thanks,UT.
Democracy!
I don’t see it that way. He’s a constitutional lawyer who kept this secret for 4 years when he could have released it at any time. Obviously, he didn’t believe it should be released. In fact, the Justice Department bent over backwards to pretend that this didn’t exist. nothing has changed in the year and a half since the DOJ was asked for/sued for this information.In fact, if the ass who leaked the white papers hadn’t done so, no one would be talking about this now. Also, there’s no reason for congress or the media to know anything in those documents other than rank nosiness and prurient curiosity. Instead of imposing themselves on PBO’s area of expertise, why don’t they do the jobs they were elected to do i.e.: pass a jobs bills, gun control, immigration, etc. The press are just a bunch of vultures looking for the next shiny object i.e.: the white papers. The American people don’t care about this– it’s no scientific poll, but i’ve been going around asking people about this and they couldn’t give a flying fuck. The first think they tend to say is: “he’s a terrorist. doesn’t matter where he was born.” they are well aware, contrary to what The Cow has been mooing about, that this document doesn’t allow PBO to drag regular Americans out of their beds to face execution. For them, a terrorist by any other name or origins is still a terrorist. the media’s interest in this is to find something bad about PBO to smear him with, congress’s interest in this is that they are a bunch of lazy slackers who don’t think they should do their own jobs, but monitor what PBO is doing. Would that many of them had thought of babysitting GW before they jumped on his war bandwagon.
” In fact, the Justice Department bent over backwards to pretend that this didn’t exist. ”
This is not entirely true, Lisa. Last year, AG Eric Holder publicly discussed the underlying rationale for the drone policy. The Media and Congress did not pay attention because somehow the use of drones to eliminate Al Qaida leaders was not seen as an issue that Republicans could run on and win against President Obama. Can you Imagine Romney running on an issue that he is against using drones to eliminate terrorists who are bent on killing innocent Americans? Now that the President was re-elected, his enemies, both on the right and the left are busy looking for any excuse to attack him.
Unfortunately, whether you and I like it or not, Congress, through its oversight powers under the Constitution, is entitled to know what’s is in the documents. Now that Congress requested the documents, I see no reason why President Obama should be attacked for complying with Congressional request. In a Democracy, a President is not a dictator. He cannot arbitrary refuse to comply with Congressional oversight requests for documents. As far as I am concerned, the fact that the President is willing to release these documents means that he is very confident about the legality of his policies.
Having said that, I still share your disgust with the Press and Congress. They are not looking for TRUTH. All they are looking for is to create a scandal to pin on President Obama. Like you, I wish the media and Congress would focus on solving real problems confronting Americans instead of peddling manufactured scandals.
Clarification, I’m not attacking the president for making this decision. I’m stating my disagreement with his action. Also, this is not the first time congress has asked for this information and PBO didn’t give it to them then. I’m also aware of the fact that we live in a democracy, the point is, he never gave them the info a year and a half ago and every other time they asked Holder about it, I’m curious about the calculation now. There’s a video of Holder testifying before a committee and I think Leahy (?) tries to ask him about it and Holder awkwardly steps away from the topic by given like a one or two word answer. That’s what I’m talking about, not the issue of drones, but the killing of so called ‘American’ terrorists which is what all this hullabaloo is all about.
Lisa – I don’t know enough background to leave other than a generic response, but please allow me to say that circumstances change, we don’t know what they were, and President Obama has made a strategic decision which has resulted in the current outcome. Not sure if that helps answer part of the questions you have, because it’s so generic, but it’s all I got! More light may be shed on all of this in the coming days.
I apologize if I suggested, or somehow implied, that you were attacking the President. I’ve read over my comment and I just can’t find any thing I wrote that accused you of personally attacking the the President. My beef was with the media and not you. My terse comment about democracy was to highlight the reality that the President’s actions are not immune from Congressional oversight, no matter how idiotic the people conducting the oversight may be. Obviously I was not clear; otherwise you would not have concluded that I accused you of attacking the President.
If, as you assert, the President and the AG refused to share information before about ‘American terrorists” but are now sharing it then I have no answer. My hunch is that it may have to do with the fact that the Senate has to confirm the nominee to be the Director of the CIA who may have been personally involved in devising the policy about how to treat ‘American terrorists.’
Hey nathkatun, I was clarifying because I hoped I didn’t come off as sounding like the ‘Obama caved’ PL bullpokie crowd. The last thing I wanted was for one of my few disagreements with PBO’s action to seem as though I’ve lost faith in his ability to do his job well. Once I read your statement, I realized that I could come off that way so I made my clarification. You didn’t say I was attacking PBO, but I guess that was my own projection. Thanks for sticking it through with me.
We are on the same team!
If that happens, it will be the liberal’s own doing. It’s like there is nothing else worth debating. Whatever happened to gun control? Can’t they give updates on ACA? Why this obsession with drones? I thought we were supposed to take out not only al-Qaida but also its supporters. Where is the issue?
I hope you’re not asking me? 🙂
I’m not going to say to much about this tonight, I spoke my peace last night about what I thought of Ed and Rachel’s B.S.
I heard that!
I heard it too and couldn’t agree more…
Awesome tribute Chips. Those of us with Jamaican blood who are not on TOD, thank you. He was truly a musical prophet.
i believe i must have been born with that Jamaican blood!
You aren’t going to try to sing Bob Marley songs, are you, Barb? (Oh, forgive me for that cheap shot, but I’ve heard you sing, BCFF.) (Sorry, again.) (No, really, just tryin to make ya laugh.) (Just don’t sing, okay?)
Jacqueline, my lips will be sealed! Unless I hear a little bit of Slim Shady!
Go for it!
Wonderful, Now I can just hit play and surf the web. So happy that I’m not the only Marley acolyte, been jammin since wee hours last nite!
Great thread Chipsticks! I’m dancing and jamming to Marley while celebrating Ireland’s win over Poland. Just what I needed after a hard day at work. 🙂
Look at these gorgeous pics from the Sony World Photography Awards: http://media.talkingpointsmemo.com/slideshow/sony-world-photography-awards-2013/1-292120
These are absolutely gorgeous pictures – stunning, in fact. Except – this one is disturbing.
http://media.talkingpointsmemo.com/slideshow/sony-world-photography-awards-2013/1-292141
Yes, I skipped over that one very quickly.
A completely silly Bob Marley poll added to the post, just a bit of fun – but honestly, I’d love to know your most-loved BM song.
I would like to select “all of them” but fear you would think Sarah Palin was voting
Please do. I LOVE every single one of the songs Chips posted up here. I posted a few other favorites below.
Lurker in for a comment. Good evening everyone. It’s such a pleasure lurking here every day. Thanks for all that you provide. Chips, love your poll and I vote for an “all of the above” button also. It’s a difficult choice because all of his songs are excellent. Bob was definitely a philosopher in terms of his lyrics. Thank you.
Welcome WilTal! Glad you are enjoy this tribute to Bob thread. 🙂
I *would* choose “all of them”, but I do have a special place of affection for “Waiting in Vain”. Just a wonderful love song.
Ah, thanks LL, I’ll listen to it in a new light! Redemption Song is mine, melts my heart.
That song is the backdrop to one of my favourite scenes from one of my favourite movies, “Serendipity”, with Annie Lennox singing her version. I love Bob Marley’s version, too.
I love most of them but Waiting In Vain is my favorite. I kid you not, I’ve played that song eleventy billion times in a row when I first put it on my mp3 player.
I voted for all the above because I love all of them. But my #1 favorite is “Get up Stand up for your right, Don’t give up the fight!”
The President to pick Penny Pritzker as Commerce Sec!
more wimmin!!!!!. I so hate that kenyan muslin.
Is Penny Pritzker a woman? Maybe I should ask Mrs. Ezra Klein.
Natural Mystic
One Drop
War
🙂
One of the greatest artist of our time. Big-up Jamaica – our music, dance and artist.
http://immasmartypants.blogspot.com/2013/02/who-do-you-trust-with-drones.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+blogspot%2FlpjFg+%28Smartypants%29
Who do you trust with drones?
…rules play an important role in any organization, no matter how large or small. They become the tools by which people in an organization hold each other and their leaders accountable…Its on us as citizens of a democracy to elect someone that we trust to abide by the rules.
And the drone nonsense – the GOP and the media still searching for something – anything – negative about the President. The media continues to support them – they just can’t accept that the blah guy is a good guy – all the time. I hate that a country’s defense strategy/operations are thrown up by the media for the world to see – if ever there is a way to cause world wide issues this is it. The GOP really hates their President at this point in time & will forever use anything against him – trying to destroy the US both internally and externally in the process.
I hadn’t heard it was the GOP. there was an article on one of the previous threads about Boner agreeing with some establishment GOP foreign policy congressman’s letter about there being nothing wrong with the program. I agree with you though. the media and the regular members of congress don’t need to know anything about this? what’s the purpose? Civil liberties groups will comb through the papers and then sue the government for whatever the fuck dumbass liberal bullshit they can come up with. asses.
The same liberals who pretended they didn’t want Mittster Romney to win and celebrated happily on November 6 are now out with a zealous fervor on the President. For what? For wanting to protect the American people from Al Queida and its supporters, whoever they may be.
I simply don’t get it.
that’s fine. There’s nothing wrong with questioning PBO’s decisions nor is there anything wrong in disagreeing with a move he makes. I happen to disagree with this one given the fact that the same congress people he’s releasing this info to can’t be trusted to wipe their own butts, but as you intimated, it’s his decision.
Lisa – the GOP will stir anything that is against the President. The right wing blogs/news are now talking non stop about drones – taken over from Benghazi.
It is, however, good to see that the press must be thinking the internal/budget issues are all positive for the President
ciao. off to my staff’s wedding.
FIFO. Anyone yet ?
I’ll have a go: Fly In, Fly Out? (no laughing y’hear?)
First in, first out. (I was a programmer…)
cigar or chocolate?
Chocolate! Of course… 🙂
Well, Chips has some irish coffee above. Have at it.
Yum!
Well done, you! I learn from you……
🙂
Next to Chuck Hagel and Joe Biden, even John Kerry looks cute.
Signed,
Anonymous in River City
Two hurt in attack by komodo dragon in Indonesia
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-21351127
I toldja this would happen if we let Chips loose.
American idol audition flashback: “I shot the Sheriff”
Hagel Panel vote Delayed, republicans want more information.
I don’t think he is getting through, just to much obstruction.
And the democrats will vote for him, but will not fight for him.
Amazing!
They don’t want him confirmed, especially before the sequester kicks in. He will gladly cut from the defense budget. He would cut defense contracts. They would rather sell their Mama. Hagel will look out for the military.
Stay positive. Bombard Levin with mail!
Not to worry Jovie. He will get through.
Jammin. Ir-e, Mon, Ir-e.
I don’t want to wait in vain for your love :-). RIP Bob! So many great memories 🙂
http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2013/02/06/war-of-words-between-nutter-administration-and-blue-collar-workers-union-continues/
War Of Words Between Nutter Administration And Blue-Collar Workers Union Continues
The Nutter administration is asking the state Supreme Court for a ruling on whether they can impose its final contract offer on District Council 33, saying a decision in the lower court would have been appealed anyway. Union Chief Pete Matthews called this move and its possible implications an assault on all public sector unions.
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Why Negotiate if you can just have the courts decide what a contract will be…this is not bargaining in good faith…it cuts at the core of collective bargaining
Three little birds. Don’t worry ’bout a thing!!!! 🙂
There is nothing but empty space where all the videos should be. Something wrong with WordPress, or Youtube or Firefox or maybe I’m loosing it? Could be any number of things…
ditto for me as well…i thought that it was just me…
Okay – glad to know that it’s not just me! I believe it’s WordPress. My browser is Google Chrome so the problem is not Firefox.
Thank goodness it’s not just me.
I’m going to catch up on all the older threads and hope the problem fixes itself.
All working beautifully on iPad!
You are rubbing it in. Not fair! LOL! 🙂
works for me – I’m still on firefox 16.2
Hmmm Toni Braxton in a new Lifetime movie on Saturday. It looks like it may be good. I also read that Toni’s son with autism will be making his acting debut. It premieres Saturday on Lifetime at 8pm EST I think.
http://www.mylifetime.com/movies/twist-of-faith/video/twist-of-faith-preview
More details if you want:
Will folks like Rachel and her cronies have access to these docs? I assume not, since they are classified.
I have no idea. They will probab
Didn’t finish….
She will probably have a liberal Dem Senator come on the show to talk about what he/she read w/o giving away too much.
Whomever keeps leaking stuff will probably send a copy to them, to continue their outrage-fest.
I was just going to post this. Last night I think I mentioned Jon Stewart had asked him about this on the Daily Show. I was wondering why everyone thought it was new? ie. Rachel etc. in my source it said he had made this commitment on Daily Show. Sorry I can’t remember details.
”Administration officials said Mr. Obama had decided to take the action — which they described as extraordinary — out of a desire to involve Congress in the development of the legal framework for the use of drones. Aides noted that Mr. Obama had made a pledge to do that during an appearance on “The Daily Show” last year. ”
–I just LOVE that the aides referenced the Daily Show. Jon Stewart should be proud!
Ah!!! Chips..I had to vote for all of Bob Marley songs…Thank you..Thank you… for paying tribute to a legend, activist..and much more..He had such special bond with Ethiopian and his Majesty Haile Sellassie…the whole Rastafarian movement…it takes me back to my childhood.
He died too young…but the impact he made in the world…not just with music…but for Humanity…will live for ever. I love him dearly.
Happy Bob Marley Day Everyone:-)
~One Love~
Who’s Bob Marley?
And what did Ireland beat Poland at, baseball or ice hockey?
And I am obviously in a weird mood tonight.
1. Pres. Obama’s cousin? You don’t see the resemblance in the eyes?
2. Skeet shooting championships
3. Wake up. You’re dreaming.
I think Japa is smoking the same thing I was smoking the other night when I saw nothing but “love & beauty” when I looked at Mitch McConnell’s face.
No, I am not subject to nightmares. If I were you I would seek professional help.
I did – which is why I’m no longer seeing what I saw that night.
🙂
🙂
I am very proud of you hopefruit for coming back to reality! You’ve set an example for all of us. that it’s O.K. to seek professional help if you happen to be inflicted with delusional thoughts.
Dang! powerful stuff.
Indeed, indeed.
You guys have got to start sharing!
And here I am, just drinking a pleasant Grenache Rose. My 90s hippy days are sooooo far behind me.
GB, here is my question to Roger Simon: Is he O.K. with having “dumb…pundits” trying to manipulate and influence ordinary Americans? I say to Roger Simon: just imagine how socially and politically advanced America would be if we didn’t have “dumb” media pundits, like Dick Morris, who routinely misinform their readers, viewers and listeners.
He’s being snarky. He tends to joke a lot on twitter.
Another point of view written by Michael Leiter of msnbc. Anyone know of him?
Rachel and Ed need to have their heads check.
I don’t know what’s getting into the two of them. Since when they’ve turned into Ministers of Defense??? It is very clear to me that going after those who want to harm us will involve collateral damages and unfortunate casualties. Furthermore, I don’t think the nature of one’s passport warrants an alternative treatment once it has been proven that an individual is a member of al-Qaida. Anyone who is defending the fate of Al-Awlaki has ulterior motives.
” I don’t think the nature of one’s passport warrants an alternative treatment once it has been proven that an individual is a member of al-Qaida. Anyone who is defending the fate of Al-Awlaki has ulterior motives.”
All I can say, NCLB, is: “Amen!”
As far as I am concerned, the President is obligated to use every means necessary to protect Americans. And, if an American citizen joins Al Qaida (or any other terrorist organization), and he is actively plotting to inflict death and destruction on Americans, then I say that the President is justified in using any and all means necessary to take him out before he is able to inflict bloodshed and mayhem on innocent people.
Exactly. I’m not wasting any tears for that sick fuck. He’s likely roasting in hell–where he belongs– thanking God/ or what-the-fuck-ever deity he believes in– he didn’t get the Osams Bin Laden Saturday Night Special. Fucker. Rachel, Ed and all the idiots in congress can go suck a rotten egg. Biggest bunch of assholes alive.
Oh please lisa. Tell us how you REALLY feel. 😀
😉 hehe.
Calm down. Get a hot toddy or a glass of wine and take a deep breath. 🙂
Lisa, did you get your glass of Moscato? I hear you. I am so up the road with those two. Promised myself not to listen tonight, so I did some texting to my great niece to see how she is doing in school. Then I tuned in to watch my hot one on the cooking channel(Bobby Deen) Love him. Did some last piles of the paper work for the month, while waiting for Lawrence O’Donnell.
Went downstairs and followed yardarm’s advice. Nice glass of white wine. I even feel better, Lisa and Yardarm. Thanks for your contributions on both fronts. Nice and mellow. ((((( Nice)))))HZ
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Funnily enough, HZ, I did have a small glass and it was fantastic! I too avoided those shows and instead caught up on some old episodes of shows I hadn’t seen in a while. I hope you’re feeling better, HZ. you’re in my thoughts.
I thought traitors to the country were always reviled? Why is a man who chose to join a terror organization, dedicated to killing massive numbers of Americans, now being emulated as symbol of human rights struggle?
Jamaica is playing Mexico on ESPN2 in 2014 FIFA World Cup Qualifier right now, for you soccer(futbol) hooligans.
MEJICO! MEJICO!
And the USMNT had better get its collective head out of its collective ass if it wants to make Brazil 2014.
Okay, I can’t see the videos on Chrome. Do I need to reactivate my Java?
I’m having the same issue as you LL. Someone else with Firefox has the problem as well. I think it’s a YouTube and/or WordPress issue.
No – I can see them firefox 16.2 & my java is inactive
Same here. Must be some WordPress glitch.
Good evening
My favorite Bob Marley song is Exodus. I first heard and danced to it many moons ago. I had to flip the channel on Rachel; can’t stand her yelling and screaming. WTF do these firebaggers want?
Everyone have a nice evening. I’m going to treat myself to pizza and milk. 🙂 It’s a constellation prize to listening to all the drone hate talk since Monday. Bill Press is a hypocrite. This morning he said he had nothing against drones; but doesn’t want Americans killed . Oh, he also wants to know who is the higher authority giving the order for drone strikes. Maybe he’ll join his buddy Dennis over @ POX News after Current goes off air.
Ok, my preferred music video of “Wait in Vain”. For all us hopeless romantics.
I am truly waiting in vain!!! nothing to see here!!! lol!
I think Youtube is having a meltdown. You can’t see embedded videos anywhere.
Ok, I think Youtube is having an issue. Someone tweeted me with a Marley video, and I can’t see it in the tweet.
Think its wordpress, my blog is only showing half the videos sometimes, then all the other 15 min later.
I think it’s Youtube. As I said, I can’t watch videos tweeted to me. It’s the Great Youtube Blackout!
Stand corrected, these same scoundrels from the Super Bowl are looking for maximal infliction of pain!
Along with their adult sons and daughters, so they know how that feels, too.
Oh Chips, you have no idea – absolutely no idea what you did to me with this Bob Marley tribute. Thanks so much, You have me digging into my archives. My first intro to Mr. Marley was through Kaya (the song that is – I was a child vacationing in Canada and singing along quite innocently, having no idea what it meant, but that is not the point right now).
My all time favorite is No Woman, No Cry, but since you started this here goes:
– Who the Cap Fit
– Roots, Rock, Reggae
– Iron Lion Zion
– Coming In From the Cold
– Johnny Was
– Sun Is Shining
– So Much Trouble in the World
– Time Will Tell (“Jah will never give the power to a bald head…” Wooooooooo!)
– One Drop
– Natural Mystic
My favorite Bob Marley lyric though is from “Buffalo Soldier”: “When I analyze the stench, to me, it makes a lot of sense.”
IRON like a LION in ZION!! (love that one).
And ‘Guiltiness’ too.
Guiltiness! Of course. Thanks hopefruit, forgot about that one.
Okay welllll I too cannot see any of the videos… however I love Bob Marley and ALL his music, so you know how I voted Chips ~ thank you for this.
I’m was listening to John Boehner and his crap. I had to turn the channel. I remember the talk about FLOTUS rolling her eyes at Boehner, well it made me love and respect her even more. Because John Boehner is a lying nasty bastard.
Plenty of times I have wanted to slap the sh*t out of John Boehner and many of those Republicans.
I don’t blame VP Biden. Talking to people who get elected, swear to serve the people, and that have to be begged to do the right thing after seeing 20 six year olds get blown to bits just because they went to school that day?! It’s not normal.
Yes, theo67 you are so right on with your comments about VPBiden’s reactions. I just will never understand how some of these people sleep at night. These were little precious kids who did not even have a chance at defending themselves. It brings me to tears every time I think of their teachers trying to shield them and trying to place them as safely away as possible. Then we have these coward people in Congress hiding behind whatever shit they are hiding behind, rather doing the right thing,tears my heart out of my chest.
I know as president, POB’s heart is so full. He can’t do this alone, and that is why we here are committed in doing all that we can to help him and VP Biden. I believe he will do everything in his power to ask us to help him do the right thing. It is going to be hard, but our TOD family will stand up for all children all over this nation. It hurts so much.
Dr. Martin L. King, Jr., said ,:”Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.” Also another one: “Faith is taking the first step even when you don’ t see the whole staircase.” Dr. Martin L. King, Jr.
(((((((((((((((((((( We Love Our President and our VP.))))))))))))))))))) Wisdom be granted to both daily, Almighty. HZ
Excellent comments, HZ. Stirring quotes.
Bravo, theo! I agree with you 100%!
So I opened the Bob Marley thread 2x on Google Chrome and one has all the videos other does not. So Just dont refresh the one that plays and post on the other. Been working for me for last 2 hours. Just got through listening to the full 1 hours album “Legend” other videos still working.
That’s a good way to get around this problem for the time being – thanks lovelyplains! I hope Youtube gets its act together soon.
Yep, works for Twitter as well. Again, Youtube is having some sort of issue.
This is why I am more Center Left and not a Liberal or a progressive.
Because, when it cones to the Nations Defense, they don’t care, they only care about our Enemies getting killed, and not America.
Their is No loyalty to America, only to being a Hippee.
Extremism of any kind is not good for progressive. These “progressives” are not about progress, they are a bunch of MALCONTENTS who spend their entire adult life looking for attention in the wrong ways.
Jovie, the people who make the most noises are not liberals or progressives. They’re sensationalists who thrive on outrage. If they’re in the media, they have calculated that the outrage will bring them more exposure. I want to see the outrage at the lives lost through gun violence, the needless deaths that occur when Republican governors refuse to extend Medicaid, the wasted lives in so many urban areas and in the economically dead parts of our states where meth addiction is rampant. The ones who are the most rabid in their criticism of the president have never had to deal with terrorists threats and never had to make tough decisions about protecting the country. They have zero credibility on this issue and should be ignored and scorned. I will not waste one second of my time listening to them. If they want to change the way our defense is run they can do the hard work of running for president. Then they might have my attention.
scott brown’s continuing public service, now as fox spews pundit:
‘ On Wednesday Brown revealed that he’s joining the board of directors of paper company Kadant Inc. and is in negotiations to be a Fox News contributor. ‘
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/02/scott-brown-fox-news-contributor.html
Will he have to appear topless?
you meant, will he get to, right?
How absolutely appropriate for Brown. No responsibility, no accountability, just a place to spout off and some good money. To quote GWB….”Heckuva job Brownie!”
and you know he misses the cameras, and the chance to appear important.
They traded one pretty face for a NEW shiny pretty face……Palin out/Brown in.
So it was money all along, Big surprise. Like Palin, he served a partial term and now positions himself to rake in the $$ from “board” positions and Fox. Sarah made a million a year from her Fox contract. You have to work hard to hustle the sale of your vote to make that much as senator.
Chica,
For some reason, the videos are not showing up. I haven’t made any changes to settings on my computer.
Read some of the comments above – we’re all having the same problem, different browsers, etc. We think it may be an issue with YouTube.
okay, I’m sorry that it’s happening. but I’m glad that it’s not only me.
If you open TOD in a second tab, the videos appear. Same thing for Twitter.
Thanks LL and everyone. You’ve all been so helpful! 😀
Night two and Lawrence O’Donnell have not mention a thing about the drone memo.
Because Lawry isn’t a hair-on-fire emoprog.
I saw replay of this Republican on Mrs. Greenspan’s show who said he had no problem with the drones strikes, he said he knew all about them and he supported what the President was doing. I think his name was Rep. Mike Rodgers. So if he knew, others knew about it too.
anniebella thanks for reminding me of this interview; here is tag for it
House Intel Chair on White House drone policy: “There is oversight” http://on.msnbc.com/TLFFxt via @mitchellreports
Yes anniebella, it was Rep. Rodgers speaking with “Ms.Mitchell-Greenspan this morning. I stopped because he was making a point that Ms. Mitchell could not get him to agree with her. She was so trying to tire him up in knots, but he was not going to allow her to do so. He and others knew of the information that they needed to know as he was statingI also read that Diane Feinstein had read the reports way back in June of last year and the members of her committee. So I wonder why RM and ED have not had them on their shows. Just saying. I believe Rep. Rodgers is on the House Committee for Foreign Affairs. . HZ
Here is the interview that I was speaking of anniebella as well. It was with Ms. Mitchell-Greenspan on her show this morning. I do not watch her, but I was changing channels and saw Rep. Mike Rogers (R-Mich) speaking with some sense, so I stopped to listen.
http://tv.msnbc.com/2013/02/06/house-intel-chair
HZ, Thank you so much for sharing this. As much as I detest Republicans, I think Rep. Mike Rogers was honest and forthright. Mrs. Greenspan appeared to be very angry that the Republican Congressman steadfastly refused to trash President Obama. Mrs. Greenspan is obviously an Obama hater and has no business pretending to be an objective journalist. This woman tried every angle to lead the Republican Congressman to denounce the President without much success. To repeat, Mrs. Greenspan was visibly angry that Rep. Mike Rogers refused to buy into her outrage against the President. Kudos for Rep. Mike Rogers for putting the safety of Americans above partisan politics and media hatred of President Obama.
Exactly, LL.
Wishing your wife the very best outcome of her surgery, btw.
Good night folks …
Good night Bob! Thanks for being such a principled TRUTH teller. I simply don’t understand how people have conveniently forgotten about the indescribable horror we all experienced on 9/11. Like you, I am grateful that we have a president who is not afflicted with amnesia. 9/11, as well as other horrific terrorist attacks, proved, beyond a shadow of doubt, that Al Qaida loyalists have no qualms slaughtering innocent people. I wholeheartedly support all means necessary to prevent Al Qaida from inflicting death and mayhem on other innocent people. I am totally pissed that some armchair media pundits are working feverishly to turn the President’s determination to protect Americans into a major scandal. SHAME ON THE USELESS U.S. MEDIA! Some, like Mrs. Greenspan, are only interested in trashing President Obama and could care less about the security and lives of Americans.
“I am totally pissed that some armchair media pundits are working feverishly to turn the President’s determination to protect Americans into a major scandal. SHAME ON THE USELESS U.S. MEDIA! Some, like Mrs. Greenspan, are only interested in trashing President Obama and could care less about the security and lives of Americans.”
Couldn’t agree with you more, nath. Thank you.
Oh my…all the videos have suddenly reappeared! WTF..
Tech tip – Update your flash player. It’s not youtube or wp problem.
Keep waiting. No letter for you on Saturdays anymore.
Come on dems. Let’s throw out the bums in 2014.
It was refreshing to hear Ari and Lawrence admit that they were Obama followers. 🙂 It would be wonderful to get rid of McTurtle.
amk, this is so crazy. There are people out there like that, who believe like that because they are guided by their racists heart, mind and soul..
The Stupid is STRONG!
‘strong’ like rotten eggs.
LOL!! Stop. it. no way.
Yep, there are people like that who believe that their opinions, and not the objective reality, constitutes TRUTH.
And did you exchange
A walk on part in a war
For a lead role in a cage?
My favorite Floyd song off that album, this is my other favorite – Another Brick In The Wall
I wonder….if Rachel and Ed and the gang of holier than thou complainers had been given the opportunity to send a drone to kill Timothy McVeigh ,before the Oklahoma Bombing, would they have done it? If they could have stopped Sandy Hook with a drone, what would they choose to do?….Aurora or Columbine or Tuscon?….yes, all of those acts of terrorism were committed on American soil by Americans but what if? How many lives have been saved by drones without putting a single boot on the ground? Now I am not suggesting that drones be used for crime control but just thinking, I know what I would have done.
Kathryn, those folk have ZERO idea what such decisions require and, fortunately, they are not in a position to make those decisions.
#TrustBarack
Well said Bob! Like you, I am thankful that media pundits like Mrs. Greenspan. Rachel Maddow and Ed Schultz are not the ones entrusted with making decisions about protecting our people. These pundits have a very easy privileged life, with virtually no responsibilities. All they do is go on T.V. and trash the President and then collect their six or seven figure incomes at the end of the year. If terrorists attack America, as they did on 9/11/01, they are not the ones who will be held responsible.
As far as I am concerned, I could care less about the opinions of these self-indulgent media pundits, some of whom pretend to be serious journalists. On this issue of using drones to eliminate terrorists who are plotting to kill innocent people, I am 100% in support of the President. I want him to take the terrorists out before they can be able to slaughter people as they did on 9/11!
Members of Congress have had this White Paper,,,indeed a classified version…for over a year….why now the outrage…
the Press has found a shiney new object to press the President….
and the GOP Senate has found a way to filibuster Hagel without using the Filibuster…with the help of Democrats i might add…
not much discuission on the DOJ bringing fraud charges against the S & P
i hope that all this outrage does not sap the momentum from gun safety legislation and immigration reform or the voter bill …
I’ve been reading this wonderful thread and listening to the great music while I enjoyed my Jamaican Rum Punch. Before I turn in, I wanted to thank everyone and share my favorite Bob Marley quote…for the fellas:
“If she’s amazing, she won’t be easy.
If she’s easy, she won’t be amazing.
If she’s worth it, you won’t give up.
If you give up, you’re not worthy….
Truth is, everybody is going to hurt you;
you just gotta find the ones worth suffering for.”
Love it!
Not trying to imply a word of Bob Marley’s ever needs to be changed, just wanted to add a little 21st Century counter take, on behalf of my fellow women (hear us roar, young and old) — hoping he wouldn’t mind:
“If he’s amazing, she’ll be amazing.
If she’s amazing, he’ll be amazing.
If he’s worth it, she won’t give up.
If she’s worth it, he won’t give up.
If you give up, you’re not worthy …
Truth is, everybody is going to hurt you;
no one said it was ever going to be easy;
you just gotta find the ones worth suffering for.”
They created this monster. They’re going to have to kill it.
House Intel Chair on White House drone policy: “There is oversight” http://on.msnbc.com/TLFFxt via @mitchellreports
anniabella reminded me of seeing this interview he wldnt let that “women” over talk him
from gopolitico
Republicans and Fox News are moving to purge the controversial political creatures they created.
Both were damaged badly in 2012 by loud, partisan voices that stoked the base — but that scared the hell out of many voters. Now, the GOP, with its dismal image, and Fox News, with its depressed ratings in January, are scrambling to dim those voices. To wit:
Fox ousted contributors Sarah Palin and Dick Morris, two of the most obnoxiously partisan figures on the network’s air.
Karl Rove, himself sidelined by Fox after the election, has helped start a new super PAC, the Conservative Victory Fund, designed to keep controversial conservatives like Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa) from winning Senate primaries.
Senate GOP leaders created what amounts to a buddy system with their caucus’s most popular tea party members, Sens. Rand Paul of Kentucky and Ted Cruz of Texas, to get their help in taming anti-establishment conservatives.
Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal has been running around the country warning anyone who will listen that Republicans must quit being the “stupid party” that nominates nutty candidates.
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At various points, many of those celebrities, all with Fox contracts, were at or near the top of Republican presidential polls: Newt Gingrich, Rick Santorum, Palin and Mike Huckabee. But by the end of campaign, Fox could seem like an alternate universe, one in which the Benghazi killings were the most important story in America and Mitt Romney, contrary to public polls and Fox’s own polls, was on his way to winning the election. While ratings were strong, the network had a bumpy election night, capped off by Rove taking to its air to argue that everyone else was premature in calling Ohio for President Barack Obama. Rove, who recently had his Fox contract renewed, saw his appearances scaled back after the scene.
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Still, it’s a lot easier to talk about change and shake up the cast of characters than to authentically change. A number of conservatives think Rove and establishment bullying are the problem with the GOP, not bombastic personalities on Fox or in isolated campaigns.
Steve Deace, a prominent conservative talk-radio host in Iowa, took to POLITICO’s pages to eviscerate Rove and his effort, calling him the “demolition man.”
“Rove’s prominent and annoying display on Fox News as the Republican ruling class’ mouthpiece and his new effort aimed at defeating the Tea Party makes him the point man for destroying the very conservative movement that made him a national name in politics in the first place,” Deace wrote.
So a political colonoscopy is going on before our eyes. Republican after Republican told us the party dodged a bullet with Mitt Romney’s loss: If he had squeaked in, this vital reboot would have been delayed four or eight years.
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/02/behind-the-curtain-gop-fox-political-purge-87293.html?hp=t1
sweet sweet schadebfreude
The Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) is an independent civilian intelligence agency of the United States government. It is an executive agency and reports directly to the Director of National Intelligence,[7] with responsibility for providing national security intelligence assessment to senior United States policymakers. Intelligence-gathering is performed by non-military commissioned civilian intelligence agents, many of whom are trained to avoid tactical situations. The CIA also oversees and sometimes engages in tactical and covert activities at the request of the President of the United States.[8] Often, when such field operations are organized, the U.S. military or other warfare tacticians carry these tactical operations out on behalf of the agency while the CIA oversees them.[9] Although intelligence-gathering is the agency’s main agenda, tactical divisions were established in the agency to carry out emergency field operations that require immediate suppression or dismantling of a threat or weapon.[10]
The CIA succeeded the Office of Strategic Services (OSS), formed during World War II to coordinate espionage activities against the Axis Powers for the branches of the United States Armed Forces. The National Security Act of 1947 established the CIA, affording it “no police or law enforcement functions, either at home or abroad”.[11][12] Through interagency cooperation, the CIA has Cooperative Security Locations at its disposal. These locations are called “lily pads” by the Air Force.[13][14] The primary function of the CIA is to collect information about foreign governments, corporations, and individuals, and to advise public policymakers, but it does conduct emergency tactical operations and carries out covert operations,[15][16] and exerts foreign political influence through its tactical divisions, such as the Special Activities Division.[17] The CIA and its responsibilities changed markedly in 2004. Before December 2004, the CIA was the main intelligence organization of the U.S. government; it was responsible for coordinating the activities of the U.S. Intelligence Community (IC) as a whole. The Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act of 2004 created the office of the Director of National Intelligence (DNI), which took over management and leadership of the IC.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Intelligence_Agency
So, what is their point about Drones again?
Oh, and Rin Wyden can Suck it! Trying to make a name for himself by always opposing the President.
The last time he reared his ugly head, he signed on with Ryan to voucherize Medicare
He is a typical Senator, who just wants power and glory!
Aaaaaand now it’s Rev Al turn to say Drones are killing Civilians and he is very concerned.
Whatever Al. Go back to Bed!
Wonder if Rev. Al is aware civilians have been killed in Iraq and Afghanistan?
FYI, Rev AL was always about this…..against Wars, bombings, just like MKL was during ‘Nam. If he was not, he wouldn’t be a REAL Rev. Rev supports pres Obama. Just saying.
His profession….his calling is Preaching about Jesus, Holy Ghost and God, first. Look at his causes from that lens.
This. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022327471
Are you all listening to Ron Wyden? He says, every American has a right to know when their Government is going to kill them!
WTF? This is ridiculous! He sounds like Cenk Uhygur and Gken Greenwald.
I am so mad about him Demagouging this issue! It’s an agenda… Just who is he trying to impress?
Liberals to interrogate Obama’s CIA pick
Carlo Muñoz – 02/07/13 05:00 AM ET
John Brennan will be bombarded with probing questions Thursday about the targeted killings of American citizens overseas.…
-liberals???
Mooooooorning – and heads up!
http://theobamadiary.com/2013/02/07/rise-and-shine-423/
Lovely. Lovely.
War is my favorite Bob Marley song. If he was alive today, he would be singing the also about the plight of the Palestinians and what is going on today and their living conditions.
68 yrs old, Bob Marley would have been. He died way too young. His songs and words would live on for Eternity.