297 Responses to “Colin Powell on racism in the Republican party”

  1. 1 desertflower
    January 13, 2013 at 11:32 am


  2. 7 desertflower
    January 13, 2013 at 11:33 am

    Just me and General Powell! Good company:)

  3. 10 Bill
    January 13, 2013 at 11:38 am

    Too bad he did not mention Sununu and the half term governor by name.

  4. 13 anniebella
    January 13, 2013 at 11:38 am

    You mean to tell me that dope David Gregory remain silent while Rev. General Powell preach the truth about that racists Republican Party. Thank you Chipsticks.

  5. January 13, 2013 at 11:43 am

    • 15 anniebella
      January 13, 2013 at 11:51 am

      Dowd is another piece of crap I can’t stand, it seem to me these Progressives Liberals who don’t think this President have done all they want him to do, cook this whole mess up about not hiring women.

    • 16 desertflower
      January 13, 2013 at 11:53 am

      H/t Balloon Juice:


      Meanwhile, Dowd masks and bolsters the Republicans’ unfounded accusations. If Dowd thinks the intelligence community was too cautious in its initial assessment, or too opaque in its early releases to the public, why doesn’t she say so? Instead of faulting the authors of the talking points – you know, older white guys like former CIA director David Petraeus and NSA Director James Clapper – she fingers the spokeswoman. Just like John McCain & Lindsey Graham, Dowd blames the messenger. And just like McCain and Graham, Dowd relies on phony assertions to do so. Indeed, Dowd cannot criticize McCain and Graham because she’s fishing in the same cesspool of half-truths and innuendo favored by the Old White Boys’ Resentment Club. Not surprisingly, Dowd catches the same variety of sexist, racist carp the GOP anglers so commonly nab bare-handed.

    • 20 Lana
      January 13, 2013 at 5:32 pm

      I am lucky because I can’t even get a mental picture of this woman. She can’t be as ugly as what I know of her from the comments here or she would never get on TV… or is she on TV? Yuk!

  6. 21 desertflower
    January 13, 2013 at 11:43 am

    A COMMISSION?? I thought they HATED the idea of commissions! I thought that this was what VP Biden JUST DID!!


    • 22 jacquelineoboomer
      January 13, 2013 at 11:54 am

      Ugh. I can’t read that. But if McCain wants to form a commission, it’s because he has nowhere else to sit in the Senate behind a microphone. Didn’t he time-out on his committee assignments there? Go home, McCain. Begone, Manchin.

      • 23 desertflower
        January 13, 2013 at 12:03 pm

        Exactly right, Job! He’s just trying to stay relevant. He’s the biggest waste of a senate seat ever. WAY past his time!

        • 24 jacquelineoboomer
          January 13, 2013 at 12:05 pm

          Ghost of Too Many Irrelevant Christmases Past (although I don’t want to waste a good holiday, coming up with a bad term for McCain!).

    • 25 a4alice
      January 13, 2013 at 12:13 pm

      seriously. too little too late. VPJoe’s already done the work and didn’t need a flipping “bill”

      • 26 jacquelineoboomer
        January 13, 2013 at 12:32 pm

        Exactly. Multiply what VPJoe has gotten done in such a short time by the number of weeks House Republicans want to sit back in their districts, and think what we could get done in this country about so many real issues – affecting all of us. SMDH.

    • 27 Lana
      January 13, 2013 at 5:35 pm

      This is just a big stall tactic… let’s stall until PBO is out of office! What a joke he would be in charge of some commission,,, self-aggrandizing again.

  7. 28 hopefruit2
    January 13, 2013 at 11:48 am

    • 29 Don
      January 13, 2013 at 12:15 pm

      Shorter Shorter Cory Booker to Andrea Mitchell: “Baby Girl you need to have your wig snatched off for saying some silly shit like that.”

  8. 30 utaustinliberal
    January 13, 2013 at 11:49 am

    Gen. Colin Powell was just fantastic on MTP. Here’s a taste and if you missed the whole interview, it airs again on MSNBC at 2PM ET / 1PM CT.

    • January 13, 2013 at 1:04 pm

      How is it that Colin Powell is a Republican. I think he is actually just a conservative Democrat. He seems to be on the right side of things, needing better education, needing to help the poor. But I guess it’s good to have him as a self-labeled Repub so that maybe some will follow his lead in being more moderate and REASONABLE!!

  9. 34 utaustinliberal
    January 13, 2013 at 11:50 am

    Chips. I’m in moderation. Help. Thank you.

  10. January 13, 2013 at 11:52 am

    “I’m a republican. That’s how I was raised.” – What does that even mean?

    • 37 desertflower
      January 13, 2013 at 11:54 am

      It means that from infancy they have been taught (indoctrinated) not to think for themselves

      • 38 desertflower
        January 13, 2013 at 12:01 pm

        Of course, in his case…he IS thinking for himself and he doesn’t like what he sees. His party left HIM, he didn’t leave his party. There is no room for moderate, thoughtful Republicans anymore. He is expressing his angst with the direction his lifelong party has taken, and if they keep this up, I have no doubt that he will be forced to become a Democrat. Happening more and more.

        • January 13, 2013 at 4:18 pm

          They need to let this Republican party die. Start a new Conservative party that stands for real conservative ideas, and abandons the extremes, racists and deranged, uneducated, hateful loons.

      • January 13, 2013 at 12:14 pm

        My inner voice is telling me it means republicans raise their children to be self-sufficient and liberals don’t. I sure would love to see some numbers on that. I’m surrounded by liberal-minded young adults who possess an impressive work ethic and work full time, while simultaneously working on advanced degrees, maintaining their homes and family obligations. They are socially active, culturally savvy and politically plugged-in. I do not fear the future for knowing them.

      • 41 nathkatun7
        January 13, 2013 at 11:03 pm

        I think a great many AA. before the 1960’s, when Gen. Powell was growing up, were still Republicans. This is the time when the Democratic party was dominated by Southern Democrats, better known as the Dixiecrats. Gen. Powell should know by now that the Party of Eisenhower is now dominated by former Dixiecrats. He should know that it’s beyond saving.

    • 42 Bill
      January 13, 2013 at 12:07 pm

      I think he meant, as with religion, some grow up in households and adopt the religious and political affiliations of their parents. When General Powell was growing up in New York the Republican party was respectable and until Richard Nixon was in many ways the party of civil rights. His loyal support of PBO and his criticism of the GOP indicates he thinks for himself. Anyway, I think that was his point.

      • 43 jacquelineoboomer
        January 13, 2013 at 12:38 pm

        I agree, Bill. The Republican Party of his parents’ generation was a totally different party.

      • 44 JD
        January 13, 2013 at 2:34 pm

        Until Barry Goldwater, you mean.

      • 46 Virginia
        January 13, 2013 at 7:29 pm

        You’re correct, and I also think he feels some loyalty to the Republican party for some of the milestones he reached in his career. Nevermind that he was just a token, like most minorities in that party, but I think as a soldier, he thinks he owes them for the support they gave him. I understand it in a way, but if it were me, and they USED me like they did him with that WMD report when they wanted to start the Iraq war, I would have left that party in a heartbeat. That would have been the last straw for me. You don’t throw people you respect under the bus like that and abandon them.
        That’s why I like to think this is Powell’s subtle way of getting back at them–publicly endorsing Pres. Obama TWICE, and mentioning it every time he gets a chance.

    • January 13, 2013 at 12:22 pm

      Exactly. How do you grow up to be a lifelong Republican. It is a word that supposedly has core beliefs attached to it. If those don’t exist, how can you still be a Republican?

      • 48 nathkatun7
        January 14, 2013 at 12:05 am

        The Republican party was not always this bad! Some of the major champions for equality were Republicans. Some of the most ugly racists who were opposed to equality were Democrats. The 1964 Civil Rights Act and the 1965 Voting Rights Act would never have been enacted without Republican support. The vast majority of Southern Democrats in Congress opposed them. Please give Gen. Powell some slack!

    • 49 0388jojothecat
      January 13, 2013 at 12:26 pm

      My parent voted Democratic and followed Democratic candidates all my life….that does not make me a “born” and “raised” Democrat however many people believe or are taught to think that way. When I turned 18yrs old and had to pick a party I chose the party that most represented my values and that I was also familiar with. If my parents voted Republican and followed Republican candidates, I could not see myself being a Republican. I was a student, I was poor, I believed in helping others, I believed in being self sufficient, standing on my own two feet, and being responsible which are also Democratic values.

    • January 13, 2013 at 1:08 pm

      He needs a new word for how he was raised (like maybe “Responsible”) – sounds like he was raised to be reasonable, looking to serve the whole community of the country, and ensuring that govt is as clean, responsible, and accountable as possible. Maybe GOP used to be that way in the past, but that is NOT the GOP today!

      • January 13, 2013 at 1:46 pm

        But if Powell meant he was raised to be responsible, or even reasonable, but instead chose to say he was “raised a republican” what I hear from that comment is Democrats are not raised to be responsible or reasonable. Anyway, I thought it was a very telling comment and it hit a nerve with me.

    • January 13, 2013 at 1:29 pm

      A lot of people belong to a political party because their parents were Democrats or Republicans. And their parents before them and their parents before them, etc. Its like a family tradition or heirloom. This is why I would love for Dems to put out a campaign saying, “this ain’t your father’s Republican’s party”. VP Joe did it once at a rally. Wish the whole party had started saying it.

  11. 53 utaustinliberal
    January 13, 2013 at 11:56 am

    Gen. Colin Powell was just fantastic on MTP. Here’s a taste and if you missed the whole interview, it airs again on MSNBC at 2PM ET / 1PM CT.

  12. 54 utaustinliberal
    January 13, 2013 at 11:56 am

  13. 55 Ceb
    January 13, 2013 at 12:01 pm

    OT, but, I have spent part of the morning going down the memory lane of some of PBO’s accomplishments, the many promises that he has kept, and the many, seemingly disparate lives that he has touched. He is such a decent man who means what he says. This is so rare in politics that we must be a bit more forgiving of those who are so cynical and those who appear to be so negative about him. I think part of it is self-defense; some people fear that they will get their hearts broken; that they will look like naive chumps if they show that they believe I what they see in PBO, that they have faith in him. I think about how many say after meeting him, that he is so real; that talking with him is like talking to a neighbor or a family member; that what you see about him is really what you get. Of course, I am not talking about the professional for profit haters, or the never to be re-constructed racists, but for most other doubters, but about the regular reasonable citizen who may still have doubts. Sites like this one and the conversations that we all have with friends, co-workers and family members are helping to get the word out about PBO and his admin., but the willful ignorance is still rather daunting at times. Some of my 12 th grade A-A students, as recently as two weeks ago saiid that they thought PBO was a Muslim. I set them straight, but I was appalled by their ignorance. I know this sounds a bit disjointed, but I just needed to try to write out what I was feeling.

    • 56 Chi
      January 13, 2013 at 12:09 pm

      Not disjointed at all…

      Made a lot of sense…

    • 58 Betsy
      January 13, 2013 at 12:11 pm

      You write a lot better than I do. I frequently have so much to say here, but can’t express myself very well, so I just stick to short sentences. There are so many amazing writers like LL and Bobfr, utaustinliberal, etc who perfectly express my own thoughts that I sometimes forget I should try to express my own voice as well. We all learn from each other that way and can reach out to the many different people that cross our paths. I believe that is how we the people helped this AMAZING president win re-election.

      • 59 Ceb
        January 13, 2013 at 12:18 pm

        Thanks, Betsy. I often write in short, simple sentences as well, mostly in reaction to what others have said. Being in the “amen corner” has value as well. It encourages the posters and lets the lurkers know that many are in agreement with the ideas expressed. Affirmation= encouragement=action.

    • 61 desertflower
      January 13, 2013 at 12:22 pm

      Not disjointed at all, Ceb. You made yourself perfectly clear, and I think that what you say is probably a little bit true. Over the years we have been lead to believe that govt can’t work for the people…that we should be cynical and not expect too much….which is exactly what the RW has ALWAYS wanted. PBO set all that bs on its head. The RW is terrified of him because they know that if he succeeds in redefining the govt’s role to average Americans, with strong, common sense solutions to problems that they have either exacerbated or kicked down the road and left to get worse because they didn’t want to do the hard work of actually governing, FOR THE PEOPLE, then he will have exposed the Republican party, and defined the Republicans, for what they really are. They have managed to keep Americans sufficiently “snowed” for decades. This President is exposing “the men behind the curtain” more and more. They realize that with 4 more years…they will be fully exposed as the corporate, racist, xenophobic, money grubbing ideologues that they really are. THIS ALONE, to my way of thinking, will become part of PBO’s lasting legacy as well as all the other important and significant accomplishments of his 8 years in office. He always said that this was bigger than him…I see this as part of that statement of changing the way people look at their govt. After this has been exposed, unless they change their path, the power they seek will elude them all for decades to come…while each successive year they are out of office, will allow Dems to put forth common sense solutions based on equality and fairness, that will redeem govt in the eyes of Americans….THIS is what they fear the most.

      In the meantime…you need to use your stature as an educator to spread the truth about the role of govt in society and get those students to engage in their democracy so that it works FOR them, not against them. Ever again. Muslim? Really? That’s sad. Being a Muslim isn’t sad, that’s fine…but in reference to PBO? Good grief.

      • 62 CEB
        January 13, 2013 at 1:06 pm

        Stepped away from the computer for a short time after my last comment. I just saw your response; thanks for your commentary. As for educating my students about engaging in democracy, I do this quite a bit. We weave politics into almost every thing we are reading (I teach language Arts) and they were fully engaged (and many were old enough to vote) during the last election cycle. We watched and discussed the debates and two of their upcoming projects relate to the Inauguration and the upcoming State of the Union address.

    • January 13, 2013 at 1:11 pm

      Love what you said here Ceb

    • 65 theo67
      January 13, 2013 at 4:34 pm

      It would have been even more historic if the country had elected, and then re-elected a Muslim man – especially when most of the country has been taught to fear Muslims, and to think all Muslims are terrorists, ignoring the fact that many peace-loving Muslims live in their own country and are as horrified by the violence perpetrated here by people from many different races and religions. It’s great and historic that an African-American man was elected and re-elected, and if the country had elected and re-elected a Muslim, then we’d be even further along than we are because it would mean that even more people had been disabused of their prejudice towards a religion they scarcely understand.

      The real prize with President Obama is, as you said, that a good person was elected and re-elected – that’s almost more surprising than the fact that he’s African American since individuals do not play a role in choosing their race, whatever it is. But, we do choose who we will be, what kind of character we will have, what level of integrity we will possess and the standard to which we will hold ourselves. We’re lucky to have someone like President Obama, who makes us believe in the virtue and ideal of public office, in the reward for choosing right over wrong and maintaining a higher standard. That’s the type of person who is a model for all people, all religions, all walks of life. And that really is a valuable lesson to impart to your students.

  14. 66 Don
    January 13, 2013 at 12:05 pm

    Give me a break! The baseball hall of fame is already filled with crooks liars, cheats and racists. So spare these sanctimonious sports writers who now all of a sudden want to act like that the smells emanating from their rotted bile smell like fresh cut flowers.

    • 67 anniebella
      January 13, 2013 at 12:33 pm

      I heard Ty Cobb was a racists.

      • 68 veryslowwriter
        January 13, 2013 at 2:48 pm

        That and more. One of the most unpleasant people you’ve never met. Nobody — and I mean NOBODY liked him because he was such a mean and worthless human being.
        The sports writers who are tasked with selecting members of the Hall of Fame make their decisions without input from anyone else. They’ve chosen — for whatever reasons — to not admit Barry Bonds, Mark McGuire, Sammy Sosa, and Roger Clemons, all suspected/confirmed “juicers.” All four of these guys were phenomenal players but then so was Pete Rose, excluded for gambling.

  15. 69 utaustinliberal
    January 13, 2013 at 12:06 pm

    Gen. Colin Powell was great on MTP this morning. He spoke hard truths to the GOP and he let them know that if they are going to have a future, they need to drop the whole birther movement and take up immigration reform, climate change, and education. He advised them to stop alienating minorities because the demographics of the country is changing rapidly and they are being left behind. On the birther movement, he advised the senior republicans to stop tolerating that kind of discussion in the party and said the party needs to take a look at itself.

    He talked about John Sununu calling Pres. Obama “lazy” after the first debate and said that African-Americans knew exactly what Sununu meant because he didn’t say Pres. Obama was tired or he didn’t do well, he called the President of the United States “lazy.” He said the GOP looks down on minorities and it is very obvious to minorities that the GOP only pretends to care for them when they need votes during an election year.

    If the GOP was wise, they would heed his advice but knowing them, they’re just going to chuck it all away. Heh….more progress for the Democrats.

  16. 77 COS
    January 13, 2013 at 12:10 pm

    Good west coast morning to Chips and everyone. I slept through all of this goodness this morning. Gen. Powell was spot on. I will definitely watch MTP when it airs again.

  17. 78 Don
    January 13, 2013 at 12:11 pm

    I’m predicting that the gang on “Morose Joe” tomorrow will not be happy that Gen. Colin Powell laid bare the disease of racism that permeates the Republican Party.

    • 79 Bill
      January 13, 2013 at 12:18 pm

      General Powell spoke the truth that needed to be said about his party. It will be very difficult to refute anything he said. No one on the rwnj MTP panel tried. His comments were big.

    • 80 theo67
      January 13, 2013 at 4:48 pm

      Maybe those who want to distance themselves from the crazies will break free and follow Colin Powell’s lead. The handful of sane Republicans left will need to reform their party and separate from those who have taken the party hostage. The Republican Party is too far gone to repair.

      • 81 nathkatun7
        January 13, 2013 at 11:25 pm

        “The Republican Party is too far gone to repair.” That’s exactly the way I feel, Theo! Bless his heart, Gen. Powell is still talking as if it’s possible to rescue the party. The way the GOP is treating Chuck Hagel, who is even more conservative than Gen. Powell, is evidence of the extremism of the current Republican party.

        • 82 theo67
          January 14, 2013 at 2:59 am

          Didn’t the Republicans say they’d rather have Donald Trump or Rush Limbaugh (can’t remember which reprehensible blowhard it was) over Colin Powell last time Colin Powell made his feelings known?

  18. 83 dotster3
    January 13, 2013 at 12:12 pm

    I appreciate any truths Colin Powell was able to expose on MTP, but anyone who could be a “lifelong Republican”, be so divested in that political mindset, and whose false testimony was the final nail in the decision to go to war in Iraq, with all that resulting cost in lives and treasure, is no hero in my book.

    • 84 Don
      January 13, 2013 at 12:22 pm

      And that’s the dichotomy of Gen. Powell, and how do we separate the man from his actions. Today’s Gen. Powell is so very different from the Gen. Powell that went before the United Nations and lead us down a path to a war based on lies.

    • 85 Don
      January 13, 2013 at 12:24 pm

      Maybe the Gen. Powell of today is trying to wash away the sins of yesterday’s Gen. Powell.

    • 86 Bill
      January 13, 2013 at 12:25 pm

      Do you believe he knew his UN presentation was false? I have mixed feelings about that horrible episode. Hillary, John Kerry, and Joe Biden appeared to believe it also. In the long run it is one of the many reasons PBO is President.

      • 87 veryslowwriter
        January 13, 2013 at 2:52 pm

        Either he knew it was false and lied to the UN and the rest of us. Or he didn’t know it was false but stayed in the administration after he discovered they’d lied to him.
        Neither scenario reflects well on him.

      • 88 theo67
        January 13, 2013 at 4:50 pm

        He knew what kind of liars and evil people he’d crawled into bed with, and he was fine to take the country down that path – he even reminded people today that he voted for George W. Bush twice – even after he knew that they had lied this country into an illegal war and had been torturing people. He really doesn’t have a great deal of credibility left, but what little he does, at least he’s putting out a call for sane Republicans to take their country back from the edge, and he’s admitted that he voted for President Obama twice.

    • 89 anniebella
      January 13, 2013 at 12:26 pm

      I respect General Powell. There were Democrats who supported the Iraq war, like Hillary Clinton.

      • January 13, 2013 at 12:33 pm

        But they didn’t lie to the UN as part of the admin’s effort to justify an unjustifiable war.

        • 91 anniebella
          January 13, 2013 at 12:46 pm

          Hillary still supported the U.S. invading Iraq, putting our men and women in harms way.

          • January 13, 2013 at 1:09 pm

            She did, lots of Democrats did, but most/all of them probably believed the admin’s ‘weapons of mass destruction’ lies – I’d like to think if she, or any of them, was in power at the time, with access to non-neocon ‘intelligence’, the lie would never have got off the ground and the war would never have happened.

            • 93 Bill
              January 13, 2013 at 1:27 pm

              I believe Hillary said she never read the entire intelligence report. She has done a good job as SOS, but considering her ham-fisted job on health care under her husband’s administration, her Iraq vote, and her horrible 2008 campaign I would prefer someone else in 2016.

              • January 13, 2013 at 1:36 pm

                I’m still torn on Hillary 2016, Bill – which I’m sure will upset her! I genuinely admire the way she has worked with PBO, after all the campaign bitterness (mainly stoked by her husband, of course!), but I’m not sure I’ll ever truly warm to the idea of her being President, I still have my doubts too. I retain a decidedly soft spot for Martin O’Malley, but he might have better things to do in 2016! Besides, I hate even talking about the next election, there are four beautiful years before then!

              • January 13, 2013 at 2:31 pm

                Thanks for good summary on Hill/Bill! It remains to be seen how good a job she did as SOS! No one talks about the work Amb Rice has done to support Hillary’s work. All of the groundwork that Amb Rice puts in place in cooperation with State department.

        • January 13, 2013 at 3:13 pm

          So many of the people I admire greatly have done things that I seriously disagree with, Roosevelt and Lincoln to name two. I respect Colin Powell but like the rest of us he is not perfect. How do we reconcile the good things he has done and the bad? I don’t know why he still identifies with the Republican party. Maybe I just have to meet him in the moment and listen to what he is saying and appreciate it when he says things I agree with. I appreciate his support of President Obama so much. I appreciate the things he is saying now, so glad that a respect voice from inside the party is saying them. They do not negate the bad actions of taking us to war, but the bad actions do not negate the good he is doing either. That’s how I have sort of come to terms with it, anyway.

    • January 13, 2013 at 12:29 pm

      I kind of feel the same Dotster, I find it impossible to reconcile the good and honest Powell with his past – or the fact that he remains in the GOP. (I know there’s an argument that ‘decent’ GOPers should stay and fight from within to remove the madness, but surely it reaches a point where it’s time to pack up and leave, like Crist?). I’ll never forget his endorsement of PBO the first time or how he spoke up for Muslims in the military, I couldn’t but admire him, but, as you said, he also contributed to thousands of lives being lost, for no good reason at all. And that’s hard to forgive.

      • 99 anniebella
        January 13, 2013 at 12:42 pm

        One thing that is so good about the Obama Diary is we can agree to disagree without attacking one another. I am sure Gen. Powell regrets what occur at the UN, and as a man who have fought in war, I’m sure the lost of lives matter to him also. But there is one person who made the decision to invade Iraq and it is George W. Bush.

        • January 13, 2013 at 12:48 pm

          I think Bush had very little to do with it to be honest, it was the neocons who pushed for it, and Powell – whether wittingly or not – helped facilitate them. There’s blood, lots of it, on all their hands, American and Iraqi.

          • 101 hopefruit2
            January 13, 2013 at 1:15 pm

            If GWB was against the war we would not have gone to war – regardless of what Powell thought. On the other hand, Powell should be held accountable for his positions at that time and the consequences of those positions. But there is no way I’m letting GWB off the hook here.

            • January 13, 2013 at 1:19 pm

              I don’t know Hopefruit, there’s been a lot of revisionism about GWB, that he wasn’t as stupid as he was made out to be – but I honestly never believed he was the key player in that admin, I think others made the big decisions, including going to war, and he just signed off on them. That’s not to excuse him, but I don’t think he was the warmongering idealogue that his buddies were.

              • 103 hopefruit2
                January 13, 2013 at 2:01 pm

                You may be right about his not being the key player in terms of specific Iraq-related decisions. However, the fact that he ran for POTUS knowing that he wasn’t up to a task that involved making complex decisions with huge implications for the country’s vitality and people’s lives, suggests a complete lack of personal integrity and ethics on his part. Thus he is 100% accountable for his actions or non-actions here.

              • 109 nathkatun7
                January 13, 2013 at 11:36 pm

                I respectfully disagree! Bush was as much invested in invading Iraq as were many of his advisors! There are few things that Bush did right, such as his position on immigration, that went against the dogma of his party.This shows that he could stand up against his party. Besides, some of his father’s reputable advisors, like former Sec, of State, James Baker were against the Iraq invasion, but G.W. Bush ignored their advice.

            • 110 Obama Grandmama
              January 13, 2013 at 3:08 pm

              I think GWB had debts to settle from his Dad’s administration with Sadam Hussein and used 9/11 as an excuse to go after him in Iraq. I do not think he was all that innocent. I don’t think he was hard working or hands-on. I think he purposely let the Neocons rule.

              From what I have seen and read of Colin Powell he was constantly questioning and arguing with Cheney’s side and lost most battles there. He believed the reports given him. He hated having been mislead and used to sell the American people on the war then used as a scapegoat. He left demoralized, humiliated, and regretting his part in the war. I forgive those that admit to errors.

              I am torn about Hillary. I see her as a hardworking person that wants to contribute to her country, but I really don’t see her as the POTUS. I hated the way she ran her campaign and was willing to use her daughter in her lie about being under fire on the runway. A little thing but very telling. I sae Hillary’s time in the Senate as her being a hard worker fulfilling all the expected duties and fitting into the expected role of a Senator. I also see her time as SOS as working hard and doing what was expected of her. The First Lady role played in the push for Health Care also showed her lack of political prowess in not involving her own side. She has developed since then but I don’t see her as a person that steps out of the box to lead in unexpected ways. Maybe PBO will be a hard act to follow for anyone. I almost see Biden as better than Hillary as a Presidential candidate.

              • 111 jackiegrumbacher
                January 13, 2013 at 4:04 pm

                OG, I tend to agree with you about Hilary, OG. Although I want the first female president to be a Democrat and I want it to come soon, I’ve never had warm feelings about Hilary. If Biden were younger, he would be unbeatable in 2016. But his age will be used as a stick to
                beat him with and it will be tough on him. Biden would be the true heir of the Obama legacy. Hilary has time to refashion herself if she really wants the presidency, so let’s see how she does. I would vote for Duval Patrick or Martin O’Malley in a heartbeat. But at this point I just want our guy to be officially inaugurated and have a successful second term before I get too much anxiety about the next presidential election. If we can get Democrats to come out in force in off year elections, I’ll be singing hallelujahs.

              • 112 hopefruit2
                January 13, 2013 at 7:02 pm

                Indeed, ObamaG. My thoughts are along the same lines as yours. GWB had his own motivations for allowing the Iraq War – some of which had nothing to do with the health and well-being of the country in general.

              • 113 nospin
                January 13, 2013 at 7:57 pm

                “From what I have seen and read of Colin Powell he was constantly questioning and arguing with Cheney’s side and lost most battles there. He believed the reports given him. He hated having been mislead and used to sell the American people on the war then used as a scapegoat. He left demoralized, humiliated, and regretting his part in the war. I forgive those that admit to errors. ”

                I agree with this statement 100000000%

        • 114 Bill
          January 13, 2013 at 12:49 pm

          George W. only made the decision after Dick Cheney told him it was OK.

          • 115 hopefruit2
            January 13, 2013 at 1:18 pm

            Sorry, but I’m not fooled by GWB’s “Oh I’m just a stupid naive southern boy” schtick. He SELECTED Cheney as his running mate. He was the decider. And he was a “yes” man, selecting people who agreed with his positions. If you dared oppose GWB – whether in the MSM or elsewhere, you were quickly deemed unpatriotic and un-American.

            • January 13, 2013 at 1:32 pm

              “He SELECTED Cheney.”

              I always suspected the GOP powers-that-be selected Cheney, Hopefruit, my hunch was that GWB just did what he was told. I reckoned they saw him as Reagan-lite, a folksy front-man who would just sit around the WH watching TV and choking on pretzels while they looked after ‘business’.

              • 117 Bill
                January 13, 2013 at 1:42 pm

                I read while he was Governor of Texas he flew to California to be “interviewed” by George Shultz, and Shultz said he is our man.

                • January 13, 2013 at 1:44 pm

                  Ah, really Bill? Gee, thank you Mr Shultz.

                  • January 13, 2013 at 3:15 pm

                    Cheney picked HIMSELF as VP and GWB and his handlers agreed with the decision. GWB did NOT listen to his father and brother. I do not believe Pappy and Jeb had much input on the “Decider”. GWB thought being President was going to be EXACTLY like Reagan who he admired more than his Dad. GWB wanted someone else to run the day-to-day operations and let Cheney and other make the tough decisions. In his last year when the country was stuck in TWO WARS and the Financial Industry was collapsing, GWB decided to let the next President clean up the mess and he stopped listening to Cheney.

              • 120 dotster3
                January 13, 2013 at 2:30 pm

                Exactly my impression—-he went on daily bike rides, took a daily nap, went to bed at 8:30—–he was about as far away from being a “decider” as you could get. He was just a puppet.

                • 121 hopefruit2
                  January 13, 2013 at 7:04 pm

                  “daily bike rides, took a daily nap, went to bed at 8:30”

                  That sounds very similar to Honest Toddler’s schedule…

            • 122 Bill
              January 13, 2013 at 1:37 pm

              I do not believe he thought or said he was stupid. He liked the idea of being POTUS, was very lazy, and wanted someone else to do the work. He would leave in the middle of the day during the week to ride his bike. Especially after 9/11 things were more difficult than he ever thought. He even once said that being POTUS was hard. He never had to carry his own weight in his life and was willing to let Cheney push him around while he played.

              • 123 hopefruit2
                January 13, 2013 at 2:08 pm

                “He liked the idea of being POTUS, was very lazy”

                In other words he was corrupt and lacked integrity. Running for POTUS was a game to him with personal benefits that included a life of comfort and security, while allowing other unscrupulous players to pull his strings. All I have to say is thank goodness our current President does not allow craven opportunists on either side of the political spectrum to significantly interfere with his decision making when it comes to the country’s health and people’s lives.

            • January 13, 2013 at 7:49 pm

              Just thought I’d remind everyone of the forgotten Manning Memos. The story broke in The British Sunday Times about the classified notes from a secretive meeting between GWB and Tony Blair detailing plans to invade Iraq. They were planning to justify an invasion by hyping terrorism and WMD’s, which they admitted they knew didn’t exist, but they fashioned intelligence and facts around policy. The story was a hot media item in the U.S. for about ten minutes. I tried to find a link…most reports have disappeared from the internet:


              As for Colin Powell, they lied to him. It was only after he made the statement at the UN that he began to suspect as much. In other words, they set him up. The question is why he remains loyal to a party that used him in such a despicable way. But then, think about where Bush placed minorities…Colin Powell, Condoleeza Rice and a Latino to justify torture.

          • 126 daisydem
            January 13, 2013 at 1:37 pm

            Yes, please do not forget or ever forgive the actions and words of Dick Cheney, the most diabolical person I think I have ever known to be in our political arena. The fact that he is still living scares me. And I hate Liz Cheney and the use of her as some kind of informed spokesperson to propel her father’s propaganda. Cheney was powerful and how powerful we may never know.

          • 127 nathkatun7
            January 13, 2013 at 11:37 pm

            I think this is very simplistic!

      • January 13, 2013 at 12:51 pm

        Yes, I feel much the same way. I’ve always admired him but when the Iraq War went down, his support of W and Rumsfeld and the rest of those lying idiots infuriated me. And then the Big Lie to top things off. I greatly appreciate his outspoken support of PBO but I can’t for the life of me understand the rest of it.

  19. January 13, 2013 at 12:24 pm

    Thank you, Chips, and everyone for your support of the letter to President Obama and VP Biden. Several have asked about copying the letter, tweeting it, etc – please, do anything with it you think might be helpful. I have zero pride of authorship, require no attribution for what I post here and on twitter. It is all to serve, as a citizen, whomever I can.

    Yes We Can

  20. 141 Xtine
    January 13, 2013 at 12:30 pm

    Hello! Chips, I got stuck at “You’re Beautiful” and just couldn’t make it here quickly enough! Kept replaying it for my “easy like Sunday morning,” hah! That’s what I do on Sunday mornings — revisit all your vids, again & again.

    I’m glad Powell is speaking out. It does take a while to recuse oneself from long lived mindset. It seems to me that he’s taking steps & making his own choices in what his future affiliations will be. I think he’s definitely reached the t-junction of his personal journey. He was burned by Dubya et. al — notice he mentioned Bush I, not son. Anyhoo, thanks for posting that vid because I surely can’t watch Gregory Uggh! 🙂

    Now back to the 2012 monthly vids ! 🙂

  21. 142 57andfemale
    January 13, 2013 at 12:32 pm

    Totally off topic but could a computer guru weigh in, please. “Java script” same as the java I’m supposed to disable? What exactly is Java anyway?

    • 143 vcprezofan2
      January 13, 2013 at 12:43 pm

      Computer extra-lightweight here, but AMK said this to Judith previously ….. Hope it makes sense to you. I’m still fumbling on what to do.

      Java & JavaScript are not the same. It’s the former that is having security issues and that should be removed. JavaScript is needed for login etc. So you can enable it.
      Firefox, by default, does not allow Java.
      Here is a useful firefox addon I use for switching on/off java, JavaScript, flash player, animated images etc.

      • 144 57andfemale
        January 13, 2013 at 4:35 pm

        Thanks. I noticed that Java was not enabled on Firefox. I use Chrome at work and have it on the home computer and I’ve disabled it on Chrome.

        I turned off Java script on my tablet and was having all kinds of problems on my tablet so I’ll enable that.

        Still don’t know what ‘Java’ is supposed to do.

        Thanks, vcprezofan2. This was extremely helpful.

  22. 145 a4alice
    January 13, 2013 at 12:32 pm

    ok chore time. blah. catch yez all later!

  23. 146 vitaminlover
    January 13, 2013 at 12:46 pm

    Say on, say on, say on, General Powell!!!!

  24. January 13, 2013 at 1:34 pm

    The media is making it out line it’s ok to hit the debt limit and only pay most of our bills.
    This is dangerous, the while system would collapse, which is what they want, to begin with, they dint like the United States, they want the Confederate States. Always have, and just see this debt ceiling as another opportunity to destroy America. Not all, but enough to mess it up for all of us.
    This is a very serious situation, I at least expect a government shut down, it’s their ideology, leverage or no leverage, thru hate the Federal Government.

    • 148 hopefruit2
      January 13, 2013 at 1:54 pm

      Jovie will veterans get paid if the gov’t shuts down? I know that current fed employees won’t get paid.

      • 149 anniebella
        January 13, 2013 at 7:43 pm

        Make sure Congress don’t get paid. They shouldn’t anyway, they haven’t done a dam thing to earn it.

    • January 13, 2013 at 2:03 pm

      I say we shut down the states whose congressmen don’t vote for the debt ceiling……then they will get off this nonsense. They won’t let that happen because they want to get paid.

      • 151 Betsy
        January 13, 2013 at 2:42 pm

        Great idea.

      • 152 pkayden
        January 13, 2013 at 4:47 pm

        Amen. These are debts already incurred — not future debts, so I don’t understand this “we’re not paying” nonsense. Hope President Obama stands firm in not negotiating with these idiots.

      • 153 nathkatun7
        January 14, 2013 at 12:21 am

        Jojothecat, I like your idea! No payments should be made to people who receive federal aid in all Congressional districts whose Representatives in the House vote against raising the debt ceiling. All members of Congress who vote against raising the debt ceiling should not be paid, and the funds to run their Congressional offices (that’s both the Senate and the House), as well as their medical benefits should be stopped. This would leave us enough money to run the rest of the country that elected sane people.

  25. 154 GGAIL
    January 13, 2013 at 1:46 pm

    Chipsticks! Thank you for making this possible to go far & wide!!!

    • January 13, 2013 at 1:49 pm

      Helloooooooo GGail, all I did was copy and paste! 🙂 It’s great, though, the more who see it the better!

      • 156 vcprezofan2
        January 13, 2013 at 2:03 pm

        Chips ahoy, has Amk contacted you yet about sending the plane to pick you up for the Inauguration? He can’t make it unfortunately, but he has expressed willingness to negotiate on your behalf. What do you think? We even came up with a valid reason for your boss – FAMILY emergency.

  26. January 13, 2013 at 1:52 pm

    Senator Blumenthal says he is not comfortable with Hagel.
    Well, I am not comfortable with any Senator in the US Congress…

  27. 164 Dona
    January 13, 2013 at 1:58 pm

    Hello everyone at TOD! Trying to watch the Atlanta/ Sea-hawks game while reading this lovely blog. You know if republicans vote to regulate guns as often as they vote to regulate women’s wombs, we would be well on our way to a “well regulated militia”. Excellent tweets meta!

  28. January 13, 2013 at 1:59 pm

  29. January 13, 2013 at 2:06 pm

  30. January 13, 2013 at 2:08 pm

    Regarding comments about Bob Corker on last thread. Timely that I walked out of church today with our senior pastor and his wife, both big Dems. I’ve mentioned on here before that our pastor has written Corker 2 or 3 letters in the past couple of years pointing out that he (Corker) could be the voice of moderation in the Senate during this time. Today our pastor talked about how he went to high school w/ Corker, was his pastor for 14 years (in Chattanooga), saw him start his business and how he ran it. Our pastors wife, of course, knows Corker quite well, even dated him a short time. They talked about how he is a pragmatist, never owned a gun or had any interest in the gun issue. They said he would never have had the success in his business he had if he hadn’t been a pragmatist and a moderate……that now he is simply saying and doing what he has to be get re-elected—–which, of course, we all know. Nothing new for the R’s of today, sadly. None of this is surprising. It’s just always enlightening to hear people talk about these senators by people who know them from years ago.

    • 175 desertflower
      January 13, 2013 at 2:21 pm

      Isn’t it ironic that, in truth, the Dems aren’t spineless…these guys are! They forget who they work for….and are terrified of being primaried from someone from the RWNJ portion of their party….so sad. I happen to think that we need moderate Republican voices for debate….these guys are their own worst enemies

    • 177 Bill
      January 13, 2013 at 3:00 pm

      I have the sense Corker would like to be a serious moderate senator but still must watch out for his base in TN and answer to McConnell to get the good committee appointments.

      • January 13, 2013 at 3:06 pm

        I think you are correct, Bill. I think since our pastor knows him so well–or who he used to be–that is why he has encouraged him to be that moderate voice. Obviously, it hasn’t worked. In one of Corker’s ads for re-election, he talked about seeing in his church bulletin a trip to Haiti and how that changed his life. Sure, right??!!! Our pastor said this morning he needed to tell him that he needed to go back…..that the trip didn’t “take.” 🙂

        • 179 jacquelineoboomer
          January 13, 2013 at 4:17 pm

          Sounds as though your pastor tried his best to tell Corker that changing one’s public image to gain re-election, despite his personal views, might fall on the list of “selling one’s soul.”

        • 181 Chi
          January 13, 2013 at 8:55 pm

          ‘…Our pastor said this morning he needed to tell him that he needed to go back…..that the trip didn’t “take…”

          Truer words and all that good stuff tnmtngirl…

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  32. 186 hopefruit2
    January 13, 2013 at 2:09 pm

    Doing his fatherly duty…

    • 187 Betsy
      January 13, 2013 at 4:49 pm

      What does FDOTUS and lid mean here????

      • 188 isonprize
        January 13, 2013 at 5:18 pm

        FDOTUS = first daughter of the united states.

        “Lid” I suspect, means that the press has to scram, as in ‘put a lid on it’ shut it down and leave. take no more pictures, ya ain’t gotta go home, but ya gotta git, git, GIT OUTTA HERE!! 😆 😆

  33. 189 desertflower
    January 13, 2013 at 2:18 pm

    will check in later:) Chores….and beef stew making :)…..

    • 190 0388jojothecat
      January 13, 2013 at 2:20 pm

      yum…..good idea…..beef stew on a cooooollllld SoCal day.

      • 191 desertflower
        January 13, 2013 at 2:40 pm

        It’s freezing here in Phoenix, too. I had ice on my patio this morning after the lawn sprinklers went off….I haven’t made stew in a long time. Just seemed like good comfort food for a cold day! Make some, jojo:)

  34. January 13, 2013 at 2:44 pm

    Morning peeps.

    Just poking in for a minute to share my menu for tonight:

    Cuban ropa vieja cooked for 8 hours in a slow cooker
    White rice and Cuban black beans

  35. 207 lovingandlaughing
    January 13, 2013 at 2:48 pm

    I find it very strange for Colin Powell to still see himself as being aligned with the Republican party. It is like saying…yes see that group of crazies and racists, that is the group I belong to even though I do not agree with them. I wonder why he doesn’t become an independent at least? I am glad he said what he said, but I can’t imagine the Republican party will take his advice.

    • 208 susanne
      January 13, 2013 at 3:46 pm

      same for chuck hagel. are they just nostalgic about ike?

    • 209 Nena20409
      January 13, 2013 at 4:08 pm

      Like religion? Like parents of a child who committed atrocities? Like children who still love their racists parents? Or like a man who still loves his party and wants it restored.

      At 73, letting go is harder to do?

      Etc, etc, etc.

      • 210 lovingandlaughing
        January 13, 2013 at 4:42 pm

        Yes true. Hey, maybe in 40 years from now the democratic party will become a completely wacky party, but we’ll still consider ourselves tried and true Obama democrats for life! I did not realize he is 73 now. My these years are passing by much too quickly!

        • 211 Nena20409
          January 13, 2013 at 5:37 pm

          He served in ‘Nam. I heard him say that in 1963, he was deployed outside of USA. That was 50 yrs ago.

          • 212 carolyn
            January 13, 2013 at 6:00 pm

            Yes, Colin Powell is my age. We are part of what is called the “Silent Generation” between the WWII generation and the Boomers. We were born between about 1930 and 1943…..depression era babies. A small generation in number between two large, loud generations. We really got smothered by the boomers…..sorry any Boomers out there. We have served very well, but we never had and will never have a president from our generation. But, a good number of cabinet secretaries, senators, teachers, doctors, professors…..we were a really service-oriented generation, and are still concerned with service. A lot of us went into the Peace Corps.

            • 213 nathkatun7
              January 14, 2013 at 12:44 am

              Carolyn, I was born only two years after your “silent generation” but I still remember many decent Republicans who served this country well at the time I was becoming of age to understand what was going on in politics. These were decent people who supported equality. I am thinking of Republicans, like Senators, Jacob Javitz, Edward Brooke, Margaret Chase, Mark Hatfield, Charles Percy, Lowell Wicker and others. As Joe Biden says, the current crop of the Republican party is totally a different animal.

  36. January 13, 2013 at 3:30 pm

    Anyone see Cory booker answer the diversity question today? Trying to find out what he said.

    • January 13, 2013 at 3:36 pm

      David Gregory started talking about diversity problems for the president and showed a picture of all men surrounding PBO in a meeting which I believe had been the subject of a New York Times story. Cory told him it was disingenuous to show that picture. He said it was swift boating, trying to use a person’s strength as weakness.

      He listed a number of women in the president’s staff. Then Andrea Mitchell started talking about how women were man, blah, blah. He gave her that What the hell look.

    • 217 utaustinliberal
      January 13, 2013 at 3:40 pm

      Cory Booker said it was disingenuous for the NYT and the media to take one picture of the Obama administration and say that it represents everyone in the Obama admin. He said that the gender breakdown in terms of hiring had been proven to be favorable to men and women. That to try and paint Pres. Obama as anti-hiring women was wrong. He said Pres. Obama put two women on the supreme court and two out of three of his deputy chief of staffs or something like that were women and it was nothing to sneeze at. He also said that the cabinet was not fully formed yet and Pres. Obama was not done making appointments/nominations and therefore shouldn’t be treated as though he is anti-women.

      David Gregory then said that the only positions for women in the cabinet were those like Labor Secretary and that those and mid-cabinet levels weren’t really important. Cory Booker told him point blank to never dismiss any cabinet or mid-cabinet level as not important because as a Mayor he’s not only interested in foreign policy appointments but in domestic policy appointments because those are the cabinet level people he interacts with almost everyday. He made sure Gregory understood that he was a jackass for considering cabinet level positions given to women were unimportant. Gregory didn’t really have a good comeback and kinda shut up when Booker was speaking. It was good to see Cory Booker come out forcefully and rebuke the media concern trolling.

      • January 13, 2013 at 4:02 pm

        “David Gregory then said that the only positions for women in the cabinet were those like Labor Secretary and that those and mid-cabinet levels weren’t really important.”

        NO David, they are just as important as Treasury, SoS and Defense. The Village only cares about war and their taxes so they spend a lot of their focus on the people running those departments. Other cabinet members are just as important. Imagine if the Village gave two shits about climate change or didn’t hate unions/workers? Lisa Jackson and Hilda Solis would have been household names.

      • 219 Eveingeorgia
        January 13, 2013 at 4:15 pm

        Thank you for this summary,UT Austin Liberal? Colin Powell was amazing, and his message was so necessary and so timely. Corey Booker speaking out as he did was equally powerful. Thank God we have a few people who are not afraid to speak out.

        Does General Powell tweet; I would like to thank him.

        I didn’t read M. Dowd’s column. When I saw the title, I knew it would be putrid. What is WRONG with her? She acts like a woman scorned. Her hatred feels dangerous to me.

  37. January 13, 2013 at 3:37 pm

    Congrats, Desertflower, on #1.

    Always appreciate your informative links!

    And congrats, too, to Lib_Librarian on Crooks and Liars link.

    DF, here’s a tweet I though you might find amusing:

    “That’s perfectly normal. RT @breakingweather: It’s currently warmer in Anchorage, Alaska (36 F) than Phoenix, AZ (32 F) #climate.”

    • 221 kasai
      January 13, 2013 at 3:57 pm

      Good Day Tods:-)
      Are you all ready for the Inauguration!!!!! (hugs)

      Thank you Chips>> This is one is for you:-)

      • 222 Nena20409
        January 13, 2013 at 4:14 pm

        I love Me some Bono since the 1980s. Saw them in Concert once. Loved it.
        Those were the days.

        Saw MJ in 1988. Had seen Diana Ross. Billy idol. Prince, I saw him Twice. Bill Joel. Bob Marley and he died 6-8 months later. Saw James Brown in 1995 or 1996. Saw Def Lepped(sp). David Copperfield….was Not impressed with his show.

        Those were the days.

    • 223 desertflower
      January 13, 2013 at 5:34 pm

      That link to the weather was NOT funny! 🙂 🙂 It’s the talk of the town here:)

  38. January 13, 2013 at 4:09 pm

    Hi Chipsticks and Everyone! I’m so looking forward to the Inauguration. I’ve watched this at least 50 times – just love the duet – so much respect.

    • 226 Nena20409
      January 13, 2013 at 4:17 pm

      I kept shading tears when I watched that the 1st time. The 2nd time too. I am afraid to watch the 3rd time. I was so worried about my Mom then. I was at the hospital that day. She passed 16 days later.

      • 227 forus50
        January 13, 2013 at 4:24 pm

        My sincere condolences on the loss of your Mom. It’s been 4 years and I’m sure the anniversaries are still extra difficult. Music can bring a person back to a place and time like nothing else and that is a good thing I think; to have that when we are ready.

      • 229 Lana
        January 13, 2013 at 5:09 pm

        I’m so sorry about your mom. I’ve not gotten over losing mine and it has been ten years this month. I hate saying it gets easier, ’cause that’s not quite right, but the sadness comes less often as you go on. At least until something bad happens, or you’re scared or sick.

        My sorrow mingles here with yours, Nena.

        • 230 a4alice
          January 13, 2013 at 5:20 pm

          I know exactly what you mean. Mine passed on in 2004 and that has been my same experience.

        • 231 Nena20409
          January 13, 2013 at 5:21 pm

          You are so right. Thank you. I know exactly how you feel.

          My condolences to you for the loss of your Mom. We only have one Mom. My father passed when I was a child. In two days, would be the anniversary. I knew enough. But it really was not as hard as my mother’s passing. It was like a broken shattered heart. I had no idea that she was dying. Afterwards, her face looked so angelic. It was like she was sleeping.

          Thank you for letting me share my thoughts Luna. Thank You so much.

      • 232 desertflower
        January 13, 2013 at 5:38 pm

        So sorry to hear about your mom, Nena. I know that pain…it subsides, but will never go away. I “talk” to my mom every day. I know that she watches over me. I can feel her here with me. I hope the same goodness for you.

    • 236 jacquelineoboomer
      January 13, 2013 at 4:21 pm

      This was my all-time favorite during the ’09 concert, forus50, especially the pensive look on President Obama’s face as it was caught by the camera during the one part. Thanks for posting it again!

    • 238 Lana
      January 13, 2013 at 4:59 pm

      That was one of my FAVORITE moments of that concert. I am so glad to see that again! Thanks so much for posting it! WONDERFUL!

  39. 239 kathryn kivett
    January 13, 2013 at 4:11 pm


  40. 240 kathryn kivett
    January 13, 2013 at 4:13 pm

    OK…I disabled Java Script but when I tried to post it said “You have already made that comment”…so I enabled it and did the testing thing…I am clueless about this and I can’t find AMK’s explanation…..HELP!…using IE Explorer…

    • 241 isonprize
      January 13, 2013 at 4:32 pm

      Any possibility of using Firefox?

      • 242 kathryn kivett
        January 13, 2013 at 4:36 pm

        I don’t know…I’m just clueless here….Is it Java or javascript that is the problem? I am totally confused and if I delete both what happens?…Java version 7 update 7

        • 243 isonprize
          January 13, 2013 at 4:57 pm

          firefox, like internet explorer, is a browser that lets us ‘see’ what’s on the internet. Java Script is a programming language that helps with user interface. You usually don’t have to do anything to Java except keep it updated. I don’t know the details of the problems that you are having, but my guess is that it’s probably not with Java. You probably don’t want to delete java.

          You might want to try a different browser, like firefox or chrome. On the surface, they all pretty much look the same, but there are ‘internal’ things that they do differently.

          You can download ‘ firefox’ or ‘chrome’ for free. Just put either word in a ‘google’ search. and follow the directions for downloading. Firefox is associated with Mozilla. Chrome is associated with Google.

          Hope this helps.

          • 244 isonprize
            January 13, 2013 at 4:59 pm

            Also, the basics may also help. Shut everything down. (all the way down. – not a ‘restart’ ) Leave it off for at least 5, maybe 10, minutes. It also helps to have a smart-ass teenager around.. 😆 😆

        • January 13, 2013 at 4:57 pm

          Java script is not the problem, Kathryn, only Java. Just disable Java by following these instructions:


    • 247 kathryn kivett
      January 13, 2013 at 5:33 pm

      Thanks all of you very much….not having problems just antsy b/c of the Homeland Security Warning and if I could read I would have realized it was Java…not javascript….uninstalled Java and then tested and it said I had no Java…I’m not sure what Java is used for in the first place…obviously, I can get on here….now if Amazon and my bank account work…I’m good to go……..now….if you all could just help with the mouse droppings I just found in a kitchen drawer you would be my “REAL” heros….using clorox as we speak…EWWWWWW!

  41. 248 utaustinliberal
    January 13, 2013 at 4:18 pm

    • 249 Nena20409
      January 13, 2013 at 4:49 pm

      Attacking pres Obama…..well, that is what the media loves best. They would rather do that than address the economic disaster that the TBGOPers are once again wishing to bring about.

      When the media attacks pres Obama, they always get many far Lefties and the rightwingers to unite for a proper “Obama Trashing Media Fest”. It never fails.

      • 250 susanne
        January 13, 2013 at 5:04 pm

        you’d think they’d be bored of it by now. before the election, it had some plausible purpose, of shifting voters’ hearts and minds away from what was so demonstrably true about the president and his policies. now it’s just a bad habit. well, they still want to block pbo’s agenda, but they don’t need the public to help with that–they have the rethug reps who don’t give a fig for the public.

        • 251 Nena20409
          January 13, 2013 at 5:26 pm

          Nope. It has become a sport for them. They earn praises for their bat poop behavior. if the left had a unified one minded media as the right……..with their media mega echo chamber, the Timid MSM would have stopped their insanity against pres Obama. When they attack the right, they get pummeled. The Left? They enjoy dumping of Us.

    • 252 nathkatun7
      January 14, 2013 at 1:34 am

      UT, these so called pretend liberals are absolutely out of the f**kn minds! I think they are so angry because they wanted Mitt Romney to win. Then they would be all over the media gloating about the President loosing because he was, as they so often claim, a carbon copy Republican. I am sorry, but I thoroughly dislike the PL, their emprog followers, and their MSM media enablers. They can whine all they want, but President Obama will still be the President for the next four years. They might as well get used to that reality! Their cowardly plots to undermine and defeat him failed miserably. Their current plans to undermine him and diminish his legacy will also fail because many of us who support him are not going to taken in by their evil games. The Truth is on the side of the President. All these hypocrites attacking everything President Obama does will eventually pay for their dishonesty.

  42. 253 susanne
    January 13, 2013 at 5:08 pm

    politics of gun control:

    ‘ In 2009 while serving as Obama’s chief of staff, Emanuel reportedly told Eric Holder to “shut the f–k up” after the attorney general suggested reinstating the assault weapons ban — which expired in 2004. Emanuel’s profanity-laced frustration with Holder was detailed in Daniel Klaidman’s book, “Kill or Capture.”

    Gun-safety groups and political scientists say Emanuel has always had an interest in pushing appropriate gun restrictions. But Emanuel also knows timing is everything in politics, the experts say.

    “Based on his political record it would suggest that as Obama’s chief of staff, he made a judgment that emanated more from politics than policy,” said Robert Spitzer, the author of “The Politics of Gun Control” and a professor at the State University of New York at Cortland.

    In 2009, Spitzer continued, Emanuel was likely more focused on Obama’s primary goal of passing healthcare reform and calculated that there weren’t enough votes to pass gun laws.

    “There’s always an element of Emanuel that has his finger” to the political winds, Spitzer said. Now though, Emanuel “has a constituency that would be supportive to gun control.” ‘

    Read more: http://thehill.com/homenews/news/276837-like-obama-rahm-emanuel-pivots-on-gun-control#ixzz2HtbqQ7BE

    • 254 Nena20409
      January 13, 2013 at 5:29 pm

      They continue to re-write history. The same Emmanuel who advised the pres to abandon ACA or scale it down?


      The stories were reported. It was Pelosi, Sen Al from MN and the president who were still wanting a larger ACA Package.

    • 255 Lana
      January 13, 2013 at 5:29 pm

      I believe that, if President Obama had even tried to pass gun control legislation in his first term, he would not have been reelected. The crazies are just that crazy and many of them are Dems, too. I would have seconded Rahm’s position at the time he said STFU. It would have been horribly mistimed. Just mho.

  43. 256 isonprize
    January 13, 2013 at 5:08 pm

    Open Letter to anyone who is complaining about Diversity in President Obama’s Cabinet:

    Have you forgotten that Barack Hussein Obama is President of the United States?

    h/t creolechild @ POU:


    Infographic: President Obama’s Judicial Nominees: Historic Successes and Historic Delays

    1st Latina on the Supreme Court
    1st Openly gay man confirmed to a federal court
    1st Women judges of Chinese, Korean, and Vietnamese descent
    1st Supreme Court Justice confirmed with a disability

    Of the 22 nominees waiting to be confirmed by the Senate:

    9 are women
    3 are African American
    3 are Asian American
    2 are Hispanic
    1 is openly gay

    Openly gay judges: 4 nominated; 2 confirmed
    First female judges in five District courts
    President Obama has almost doubled the number of Asian Americans on the bench
    Jacqueline Nguyen, waiting for a floor vote since 12/1/11, would be the first ever Asian American woman to serve as a Circuit Court judge[….]

    • 257 Anna
      January 13, 2013 at 7:07 pm

      I am not concerned about Diversity in the Cabinet, I think about the multitudes of women addressed by PBO with the Lilly Ledbetter Act, insurance coverage for bith control and on and on. PBO always has what is best for women on his agenda, as if we all were sitting on his cabinet.

      • 258 nathkatun7
        January 14, 2013 at 1:50 am

        The fact of the matter is the Cabinet is still diverse. Yes the Sec. of State position went to a white male. But guess what most of the people whining trashed the distinguished AA woman who was being considered for the position. May be it’s because they wanted a white woman in that position. As for Defense and Treasury, two white men are being replaced by two other white men. The Pres. has not named a replacement for Sec. of Labor so it’s idiotic to try to second guess the person he is likely to appoint. The Cabinet Secretaries of HHS and Dept. of Homeland Security, are still going to be women. The UN ambassador who is a member of the cabinet is still going to be a woman.

        I am sick and tired of the hypocrites in the Media like David Gregory pretending to be concerned with diversity. Question for the media: Exactly how many women and people of Color are principal hosts of the so called prestigious Sunday Talk shows?

  44. 259 lamh36
    January 13, 2013 at 5:09 pm

    Back in NOLA for Maddie Birthday party

  45. January 13, 2013 at 5:18 pm

    I see that the question has been raised as to why Colin Powell still considers himself a Republican. From a historical perspective,
    that is not unusual since the majority of African-Americans were members of the Republican party after Lincoln signed the Emancipation
    Declaration. This remained so right up to FDR, when the Democratic party then started to become the party that reached out and cared
    more about African-Americans. Within that context, there are some Black Americans who find it difficult to step out of their family tradition,
    although the Republican party no longer looks or acts in any way shape or form like the party of Lincoln. Condi Rice is another example of
    this kind of political family heritage,which she has chronicled in her writings. Now I may not agree with, or see any rational reason for these
    intelligent,well educated people to hold on to their political ‘roots’, especially with the off -the-deep-end behavior of the current Republican
    party, but I can understand the deep link that some people feel because of their family heritage.

    Having said that, I look forward to the day when someone like a Colin Powell gets to the point where the ignorance in his party overwhelms
    him so much that he says, ENOUGH, and makes a change. In the meantime I do appreciate and thank him for his vocal as well as voting support
    of President Obama. I am sure it has contributed to our President’s election on both occasions. Just my 2 cents.

    • 267 joyfulmeme
      January 13, 2013 at 5:57 pm

      Hope44, Agreed. I don’t understand him remaining with the Republican party but, apparently, it is what he knows. Appears to me he’s not quite really to let them loose.

      But, based on his statements today, many in his party are already throwing rocks and name calling ( which is what they do when someone calls them out). Maybe, just maybe he can be the one to bring the majority to their senses. But it’s not likely. They really, really hate it when they are called racists. They double down on the crazy and start to suggest that anyone who disagrees with PBO is called racists by the lefties. I’ve seen such comments today. We can all hope that attitudes change for the better. Our country is racing to the bottom if the extremist attitudes continue.

  46. 268 GGail
    January 13, 2013 at 5:18 pm

    Bobfr, I want to say thank you for being a voice of thorough reasoning. I’ve copied your letter and made it a Word doc so I could take it with me as a conversation piece and to email it and mostly to keep it so I can read it over and over…..for sanity. 🙂

    • January 13, 2013 at 5:28 pm

      Thank you, Gail. Very pleased you found it useful.

      Sent this tweet to Piers Morgan & Rep Gabby Giffords

      Will be sending to others throughout the week, but it certainly is way more effective if others spread it through whatever ways they can.

      Yes We Can

      • 270 GGail
        January 13, 2013 at 7:11 pm

        Yes We Will

      • January 13, 2013 at 8:01 pm

        You are so right, Bobfr. The Supreme Court interpretation is an activist, ideological reading that defies common sense. In 1776, the Founders needed to provide security for it’s citizens as well as preserve a way to enforce the law. There was no standing Army. Today we have the Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines, Army National Guard, Army Reserve, Naval and Marine Corps Reserve, Air National Guard, Air Force Reserve, Coast Guard, Homeland Security, ATF, FBI, CIA and the Police.

    • 273 Anna
      January 13, 2013 at 7:11 pm

      Me too Bobfr, you should have been invited to VPJB’s committee meeting. The best approach have heard to date.

  47. 274 Nena20409
    January 13, 2013 at 5:32 pm

    So Now, is it safe to Conclude that the New…..Andrea Mitchell, Candy Crowley, Joe Scarborough, etc are NOW for Affirmative Action?

    For their current Obsession would dictate otherwise with their distortion of pres Obama’s diversity meme?

    So Fox wants Affirmative Action? Hmmmm, as HF2 would quote Jodi Kantor?

  48. January 13, 2013 at 5:35 pm

    • 277 Lana
      January 13, 2013 at 6:03 pm

      He is truly trying to incite an assassination with his “no one can stop Obama” meme and the juxtaposition to the already extent “he’s gonna come get your guns” meme. Is there ANYTHING to be done about that fat turd????

  49. 278 Luna
    January 13, 2013 at 5:46 pm


    I am going to be watching the inauguration from home on my sofa.
    I do not have cable but I was wondering out of all the local channels: NBC, CBS, ABC, ….
    which one has the most tolerable / least annoying commentary. I would prefer to watch with commentary so I can learn whats going on and historical facts etc but any input will be appreciated.

    • January 13, 2013 at 5:49 pm

      Perhaps White House Live will carry it and CSPAN certainly will so you may want to consider viewing it on your laptop rather than TV.

      • 280 Nena20409
        January 13, 2013 at 5:56 pm

        But Bobfr, she wants commentaries. White House and C-SPAN would not have commentaries.

        I say….ABC or CBS. That would be suggestion.

        Although, NBC now has Micheal Besch-something as a contributor. And Doris G. always comes to NBC….so they may do the Inauguration justice.

        Say Luna, try them all initially and check out their contributors. Historians……Real Historians are who would tell Us what are going on. I prefer to watch C-SPAN for I don’t like commentaries during Historical events.

        • 281 nathkatun7
          January 14, 2013 at 2:15 am

          “I prefer to watch C-SPAN for I don’t like commentaries during Historical events.”

          I feel the same way. Like you, I will be watching the Inauguration on C-SPAN. I just can’t stand listening to all those media pundits who are so full of themselves and seem to be focused on commenting on the most trivial events/issues. Now and then the media may have respectable historians offering valuable commentaries with insights. For the most part, however, the media relies on pundits who know very little history and are much more interested in spreading mythology and sensationalism. Obviously, since I’ve been boycotting electronic media, beginning in 2009, I wouldn’t know how to help Luna. The fact that you are a TODer, I respect your suggestion that “ABC or CBS” may be the most tolerable. I hope Luna watches them with a critical eye.

    • 282 Alycee (@jazziz2)
      January 13, 2013 at 5:52 pm


      • 283 Nena20409
        January 13, 2013 at 5:57 pm

        Yes, yes, PBS does it very well.

        • 284 carolyn
          January 13, 2013 at 6:07 pm

          Agree PBS. The self-important Brian Williams will always insert himself in NBC’s coverage.

          Recently we have watched ABC news in the evening, it is actually tolerable. Jonathan Karl their new White House correspondent gives actual news without opinion or sneers, and Martha Raddatz is very good on foreign affairs. Diane Sawyer is a bit unctuous, but her choices for news are real news. She’s been very complete on the flu outbreak and what’s going on.
          On the weekends we like David Muir on ABC. Like all the channels they do quite a bit of advertising their other network programs. That irritates me.

    • 285 CEB
      January 13, 2013 at 6:31 pm

      Last year I watched ABC from the first hour to the last hours of the balls and found it very tolerable (I do not have cable either). Since I watch PBS for everything else, I’ll probably switch between the 2 to see which i prefer.

    • January 13, 2013 at 6:52 pm

      if you don’t have cable, I guess I would go with whatever channel will have Betchsloss and Doris Kearns Goodwin

  50. 287 kathryn kivett
    January 13, 2013 at 6:09 pm

    I have something to say that will probably release a firestorm but here it goes…..I personally think that Colin Powell is a good man, always has been, always will be…Who knows what went down but guessing, I would say he probably was lied to just as George Bush was lied to…that’s not excusing GB b/c ultimately the buck stops with him but he was put in the Presidential spot by the “Powers” that be in R party, spearheaded by his Father…He knew that was how he got elected and couldn’t buck them….or thought he had the support to do so…remember his administration was a redux of his Fathers….Cheney, Rumsfeld et al…..I don’t even think that GB is a bad man, just a weak man….not curious enough to find out the facts……just a “good ole boy” Figurehead for the evil powers that be that controled the White House…..I understand how CP could make the statement about being raised a Republican just as I understand how my cousin makes the statement that she was raised a Democrat and will die a Democrat as she complains about Democratic policies…but she votes D everytime so I keep my mouth shut…..It’s a lot different than it was 50 yrs ago and party loyalty is part of older people’s heritage…..Thank heavens my heritage was D, although, living in NC I have entertained the idea of registering as independent b/c of the “WEAK” D’s in this state….just look at what they have allowed to happen here….completely controlled by R’s for first time in history….

    • 288 Lana
      January 13, 2013 at 7:17 pm

      Kathryn, it is never as cut and dried as we’d like it to be and I, for one, appreciate your statement. That’s what I actually love about TOD… so many decades of opinions and experience are collected and expressed amicably. I personally LOVE the statement that “This is not your Father or Grandfather’s Republican Party,” and I will never believe some (now deceased) Republican members of my family would be a part of this hot mess of Rethugs. And, looking back, I can see how they might look with love at President Obama and say, “Thankfully, the same is true of the Democratic Party with him as its leader.”

  51. January 13, 2013 at 6:14 pm

    President Obama letter to John Boehner:

    On January 11, 2013, French forces conducted an operation in Somalia in which they attempted to rescue a French citizen being held hostage by al-Shabaab. United States forces provided limited technical support to the French forces in that operation, but took no direct part in the assault on the compound where it was believed the French citizen was being held hostage. United States combat aircraft briefly entered Somali airspace to support the rescue operation, if needed. These aircraft did not employ weapons during the operation. The U.S. forces that supported this operation left Somalia by approximately 8:00 p.m. Eastern Standard Time on January 11, 2013.

    I directed U.S. forces to support this rescue operation in furtherance of U.S. national security interests, and pursuant to my constitutional authority to conduct U.S. foreign relations and as Commander in Chief and Chief Executive.

    I am providing this report as part of my efforts to keep the Congress fully informed, consistent with the War Powers Resolution (Public Law 93-148). I appreciate the support of the Congress in this action.

  52. 290 carolmaewy
    January 13, 2013 at 6:48 pm

    My 2 cents on Collin Powell. Respected him until he went in front of UN. But I got over that. He’s saying the right things now. But he wrote a book and was interview on Daily Show. Lost a little more respect for him. Sorry I’m late to post, but I have the flu bug. Hope it’s ok o post links to the Daily Show. It has to do with Reagan. It’s been awhile. Collin Powell
    In the 15 minute interview, Powell also recounted lessons he learned from President Reagan, one of which centered on the president watching squirrels find nuts he had placed on the White House lawn.

  53. January 13, 2013 at 6:52 pm

    Chiparoo, methinks it’s time for a new thread?

  54. 293 kathryn kivett
    January 13, 2013 at 7:16 pm

    some “what were they thinking” dresses at Golden Globe….off topic but reminded me of…”What would Michelle wear?”

    • 294 dotster3
      January 13, 2013 at 7:25 pm

      My shallow Golden Globes comment on dresses is—-will be glad when fishtail dresses fade out of glory—ug and awkward looking. And I cannot look at Al Roker any more without thinking poopy pants at the WH—–what in the world was he thinking in wanting to share that with the world????? Yikes! Judgment challenged.

    • 295 anniebella
      January 13, 2013 at 7:47 pm

      Whatever FLOTUS wear she would out shine any of those celebrates.

  55. 296 Nena20409
    January 13, 2013 at 7:27 pm

    Does anyone here watch One Upon A Time?

    That is the only show that I watch. I was not impressed or should I say that I was totally confused as to how the Queen of Hearts got to the Town in New England……StoryBook. It was not making sense to me. So I will be taping today show and watch it tomorrow.

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