Rise and Shine


Joint Base Pearl Harbor-Hickam, December 22, Honolulu, Hawaii (Photos: Pool/Getty)


Anyone worried that Bo got left behind ….. 0:38 …. 😎




NYT Editorial: Wayne LaPierre would have been better advised to remain wherever he had been hiding after the Newtown, Conn., massacre, rather than appear at a news conference on Friday. No one seriously believed the N.R.A. when it said it would contribute something “meaningful” to the discussion about gun violence. The organization’s very existence is predicated on the nation being torn in half over guns. Still, we were stunned by Mr. LaPierre’s mendacious, delusional, almost deranged rant.

Mr. LaPierre looked wild-eyed at times as he said the killing was the fault of the media, songwriters and singers and the people who listen to them, movie and TV scriptwriters and the people who watch their work, advocates of gun control, video game makers and video game players.

Full editorial here


Arend Van Dam


Charles Blow: Seriously, what was the National Rifle Association performing on Friday? I thought it was going to be a press conference. It wasn’t. I really don’t know how to describe it. A soliloquy of propaganda? A carnival of canards? A herding of scapegoats?

Wayne LaPierre, the N.R.A.’s executive vice president, blamed gun violence in general, and mass shootings in schools in particular, on everything except for the proliferation of brutally efficient, high-capacity guns and his organization’s efforts to resist virtually any restriction on people’s access to those weapons.

It was an appalling display of deflection and deception. So much smoke and so many mirrors.

Full article here


Bob Englehart


Eugene Robinson: Absurd, unbelievable, tragic, obscene — I grope for words to describe the National Rifle Association’s proposal for how the nation should respond to last week’s slaughter in Newtown: More guns in the schools.

The idea is so insane that as far as I’m concerned — and, I hope, as far as a still-grieving nation is concerned — the NRA has forfeited the right to be taken seriously on matters of public policy. Newtown is still burying six-year-olds and Wayne LaPierre, the organization’s chief, wants more freaking guns in the schools. Wow.

More here


RJ Matson


Gail Collins:  Well, the Mayans were sort of right.

The world didn’t implode when their calendar stopped on Dec. 21. But the National Rifle Association did call for putting guns in every American school in a press conference that had a sort of civilization-hits-a-dead-end feel to it.

And we learned that negotiations on averting a major economic crisis had come to a screeching halt because Speaker John Boehner lost the support of the far-right contingent of his already-pretty-damned-conservative caucus. We have seen the future, and everything involves negotiating with loony people.

Full article here



Washington Post: The main thing that has held Republicans together philosophically is the belief in holding down taxes. Not one of them in Congress has voted for a significant increase in more than two decades.

Now that very issue is tearing the GOP apart and making it an all-but-ungovernable majority for Speaker John Boehner to lead in the House.

Disarray is a word much overused in politics. But it barely begins to describe the current state of chaos and incoherence as Republicans come to terms with electoral defeat and try to regroup against a year-end deadline to avert a fiscal crisis.

The presidential election was fought in large measure over the question of whether some Americans should pay more in taxes. Republicans lost that argument with the voters, who polls show are strongly in favor of raising rates for the wealthy. But a sizable contingent within the GOP doesn’t see it that way and is unwilling to declare defeat on a tenet that so defines them.

Full article here


MoooOOoooOoooOooorning everyone.

326 Responses to “Rise and Shine”

  1. December 22, 2012 at 8:10 am

    Good morning. ALOHA!!!!

  2. 6 collegekay
    December 22, 2012 at 8:10 am

    Good morning friends. Wow, isn’t the NY Post a right wing rag?

    • December 22, 2012 at 8:15 am

      Morning Collegekay! I had to do a double-take at the NY Post headline – amazing when it’s coming from them. Isn’t it one of Murdoch’s rags?

      • 8 donna dem 4 obama
        December 22, 2012 at 8:25 am

        GM Chips! Very odd indeed. I read last week that Murdoch is actually in favor of gun control 😯 even while his Entertainment channel is avoiding the topic.

        • December 22, 2012 at 8:35 am

          Morning Donna! Ah, just made that point to Bill! I wonder will Murdoch put his foot down any time soon and get Fox to be a little less gun-loving?

          • 10 utaustinliberal
            December 22, 2012 at 8:42 am

            You’d think so but it was reported that he told Fox News to continue on as usual. That place is a cesspool and Murdoch’s new fangled outrage at lax gun laws and regulations is ridiculous and hypocritical.

            p.s. GM Chiparoo.

            • December 22, 2012 at 8:44 am

              Morning UT. True enough, he’s hardly going to upset Fox’s audience, no matter what he feels himself about gun laws – and I agree, it’s hard to take any form of ‘moral outrage’ seriously when it’s coming from Murdoch. The man is a moral outrage.

      • 12 Bill
        December 22, 2012 at 8:26 am

        The New York Post certainly is owned by Murdoch. Amazing.

        • December 22, 2012 at 8:33 am

          Thanks Bill, I always mix up the Post and the Daily News. A funny dynamic going on with this, Murdoch coming out fairly strongly on gun law reform, but Fox still the NRA’s mouthpiece. Strange.

          • December 22, 2012 at 8:45 am

            It’s harder to read a paper than it is to sit mindlessly in front of a tv . . .
            You have to work a little harder to get to the good stuff.

          • 16 Bill
            December 22, 2012 at 8:47 am

            Mort Zuckerman owns the New York Daily News.

            • December 22, 2012 at 8:50 am

              Thanks Bill, I always forget who owns which one.

              • 18 Chi
                December 22, 2012 at 1:46 pm

                Mort Zuckerman isn’t exactly much different from Rupert Murdoch…

                He is just as despicable, slimy and manipulative but just doesn’t have the same expansive media as Murdoch does to do as much harm to those who don’t do his bidding…

                But he like Murdoch is desperate to wield as much influence and inflict as much pain to those he disagrees with…

                Not exactly unbiased, high-minded, unvarnished truth in reporting…

                Zuckerman is another one of those Donald Trump types who think money bestows supremacy and makes them king…

                He is very much a horrid jerk…a despicable pig…

    • 19 veryslowwriter
      December 22, 2012 at 3:20 pm

      Yes. Yes, it is. The headline makes me think that this time it’s different. Don’t know how far the anti-gun momentum can carry but it’s bigger than I ever remember.

  3. December 22, 2012 at 8:13 am

    Good morning Chips and TOD family. I hope everyone have spectacular Saturday. Congrats tnm on being first.

  4. 22 dotster3
    December 22, 2012 at 8:13 am

    Please can we have a small snow break so I can see the new photos? ——snow makes them jumpy jump jump—-I love the snow but my computer just hates it. Just give me a few minutes break and then you can let it snow, let it snow, let it snow again.

  5. 26 proudmemberofglobalzero
    December 22, 2012 at 8:23 am

    Thank you for the pictures Chips! Have a great day everyone….off to work to stimulate the economy.

  6. December 22, 2012 at 8:34 am

    We all saw the NRA freak as an Evil Fool. But, his Audience was not America, it was the House Republicans.
    And so, any gun control legislation in the Hoyse is probably dead.
    It’s up to Administration to Act by themselves, to provide meaningful Executive Action. This time, the Public is behind the Gun Control or Bans.
    But, to reiterate, in the House, it’s dead.
    Same with cybersecurity, the Administration had to go around Congress and is expected to do it through Executive Action. In some cases, even more strict than what Congress would have done because of loopholes.
    So, their you have it, the only Adult in the Room has to do things Administratively for the next 2 years, as the Republicans implode.

    • 29 jackiegrumbacher
      December 22, 2012 at 9:46 am

      Here’s the question I have about things dying in the House. The new Congress will have eight more Dems, which leaves less of a gap between Dems and Reps. It would take fewer than 20 R’s to vote with the Dems on a sensible gun safety law that respects the rights of responsible gun owners. Why is this impossible? I’m absolutely certain there’s a diehard core of Republicans in the House who would not listen to Jesus Christ himself if he advocated for a gun safety law. But is that every single one of them? Especially if we apply a lot of grassroots pressure. It isn’t just Democratic voters who are now looking for better safety measures for guns, it’s a lot of Republican voters as well. If only for self preservation, some 17 to 18 not certifiable Republican congressmen might be persuaded to do the right thing. I’m holding on to that hope because the idiot R who just got elected in my district has the principles of a weather vane. If enough people pressure him, even he might be persuaded to vote for a sensible bill. In any case, I’m not giving up without a fight.

  7. December 22, 2012 at 8:34 am

    Meant to mention this last night when I saw it. On my FB page where all the ads are, there’s a post that say the Barbara Walters interview with the Obamas will be aired Dec. 27. It’s still there this morning. Can someone check and verify?

  8. December 22, 2012 at 8:50 am

    Me thinks the strategy of the Republicans is to immediately make the President a lame duck.
    But, they forgot the Executive branch has a lot of power in it’s own. Maybe Thad what the government shutdown is for? To gut the Executive branch to diminish it’s power.
    Do you think the Republicans will blowup the Government, like I think they are doing?

    • 33 carolyn
      December 22, 2012 at 9:21 am

      They’ve been trying for four years, the last two years especially, to make the President a lame duck and they have not succeeded. We need to remember that the new House will not have exactly the same make up as this one. Not a huge change in numbers, but some notable changes. For instance, Joe Walsh and Allen West will no longer be there. That can only be good.
      I hope some of the saner Republican members get good earfulls while they are home for the break. They just might come back to D.C. with some more sense…..I know that may be a wild dream…….but I have to remain hopeful.
      Even Tom Cole in my state is beginning to moderate on some things.
      The President has always found a way to deal with these and to proceed and get things done. We have to remember all he and the Senate have accomplished, in spite of turtle McConnell.

    • December 22, 2012 at 9:32 am

      You could be right, but I think ‘strategy’ is not the right word for it anymore. That implies too much forethought and organization. I think the only thing they have left is to cling to destroying this president at any cost.

      • 35 Vicki
        December 22, 2012 at 10:55 am

        I agree with you Mary. Destruction appears to be the only thing they care about.
        But they will fail. Again and again.
        PBO will do what is best for the country in the economic negotiations. Excerpts from the WSJ (if they are accurate) shows that our President knows exactly what he is up against and how to win for all of us.

        As in every battle we have seen PBO engage in there are large groups on the right and the left who predict his failure and bet against him.

        They have been wrong so far and they will continue to be wrong for the next 4+ years and beyond.

    • 37 jackiegrumbacher
      December 22, 2012 at 9:51 am

      Shut downs of government are NOT popular and are always blamed on the party that forced them, i.e. Republicans, since Democrats don’t pull these insane moves. The president will know exactly how to go to Americans and make sure they know what’s happened and why. Whatever the Republicans think their strategy is, they continue to forget one thing: people like and respect the president; they loathe the Congress and have not one scintilla of respect for their judgment.

  9. December 22, 2012 at 8:55 am

    Morning everyone. Thanks Chips for the updates. maybe murdoch is out of town and has not seen the headlines in his rags?

  10. December 22, 2012 at 8:59 am

    “I suggest putting a teacher in every gun store.” – Democratic Underground demu.gr/10022053822

  11. 46 dotster3
    December 22, 2012 at 9:01 am

    I read Bo was on board, but it’s a relief to see proof that he won’t be ‘home alone’ for xmas. That adorable, fortunate pooch. I bet he thinks all doggies spend xmas in Hawaii.

    • December 22, 2012 at 9:02 am

      No way Michelle wouldn’t leave her son at home.

    • December 22, 2012 at 9:03 am

      “I bet he thinks all doggies spend xmas in Hawaii.”

      And fly there on Air Force 1! 😆

    • 50 daisydem
      December 22, 2012 at 10:50 am

      That is what I think … Bo knows his part and plays it so well. I think he would make an excellent Congressman! And no, I don’t have amaretto in my coffee this morning!

    • 51 Smoothscotch
      December 22, 2012 at 12:14 pm

      Didn’t see Mom/Grandma. Maybe spending X-Mas with her son or they’re all going.

    • 52 Pamela
      December 22, 2012 at 12:45 pm

      Good morning, a little late, but good morning anyway! I just loved the way Bo ran up the steps on AF1, no coaxng needed, he ws more than ready, he knows where they are going! So glad they arrived safely, albeit still looking pretty tired. They are all tired. I love them so much.

    • 53 veryslowwriter
      December 22, 2012 at 3:24 pm

      Once I saw that clip of Bo automatically jumping on the FLOTUS’ lap the second she sat down, I knew exactly what the relationship is. (Of course they wouldn’t leave him behind. No lap like “Mom’s”.)

  12. 54 dotster3
    December 22, 2012 at 9:15 am

    Gail Collins is exactly right in describing the current sad reality—–“everything involves negotiating with loony people”.

  13. 55 amk for obama
    December 22, 2012 at 9:16 am

  14. 62 Sukey
    December 22, 2012 at 9:20 am

    Did I see Mrs Robinson? Will be looking for pics of Bo. Got some shopping and projects to finish and it’s cold. I will think of warm air in Hawaii

  15. 63 dotster3
    December 22, 2012 at 9:23 am

    It is disgusting to see NRA freakos flock to make vile replies any time anyone posts anything anywhere relating to gun control, like this one from Stef. They seem to be the grossest of the gross in this country.

    • December 22, 2012 at 9:52 am

      It’s shocking how many of the gun freaks there are, and discouraging. Last night I got into an argument with a snide friend of a friend on Facebook, which I normally NEVER do, but I was enraged after the NRA press conference. He repeated the most mindless talking points and even claimed Snopes was a liberal conspiracy! I had to come here to look at pictures, catch up on posts, and calm down before bed. Thank goodness for this wonderful place! (And good morning, everyone! I don’t post often but I ❤ you all!)

      • 65 0388jojothecat
        December 22, 2012 at 11:17 am

        You need to give these people some “shock and awe”. Ask him how many bloody bodies of six and seven year olds does he want to see? Ask him if he is mentally deranged if the fact that six year olds who live in a small peaceful town can’t go to a school without armed guards? Ask him if he thinks the United States should look like Somalia and if he likes walking around with AK -Romney – 47’s then he needs to move there. Anyone who would not want a ban on assault weapons, multiple clips, and background checks on anyone buying a gun and shutting down the sale of guns at gun shows without a 15 day waiting period and background check is someone who can have a serious discussion on the issue.

    • December 22, 2012 at 11:13 am

      The ground has shifted out from under them so they are really going to ramp up the crazy.

    • December 22, 2012 at 1:24 pm

      The scarier part is that the gun nuts actually have the guns.

      • 68 Chi
        December 22, 2012 at 2:16 pm

        A first step in curbing the madness is the complete stripping of the greedy, callous, self-aggrandizing Wayne Lapierre’s of the world who continue to inflame and jerk the chains of the gun nuts to the detriment of our union…

        And that process has indeed begun…

    • 69 Rain
      December 22, 2012 at 5:57 pm

      There is a deep seated paranoia that runs through the gun culture. I’m not talking about a typical family who might keep a handgun for protection, or families who just have strong traditions around hunting. I’m talking about the gun nuts, the people who eat, sleep and breath it. I know a few, sadly and their world view is insanely skewed toward the doomsday, government conspiracy, let’s twist the words of the Bible to suit our deranged purpses mentality. It’s scary.

      • December 22, 2012 at 7:24 pm

        I have a brother who is a gun nut, Rain. On a visit to his house earlier this year, he was showing a guy his gun arsenal. When he brought out his AK-47, I was very afraid. It wasn’t long before I left his house. I know he wasn’t going to do anything with it but just seeing it made me extremely nervous. And, he wonders why I don’t visit him and his family very often. I’m not against anyone having a gun for protection, but when it comes to semi-automatic and automatic weapons, I think having one should be taboo. Our dad was an avid hunter, and he never used a semi-automatic/automatic weapon to hunt, only one of his shotguns.

  16. 71 donna dem 4 obama
    December 22, 2012 at 9:32 am

    The gifts of time and love are surely the basic ingredients of a truly Merry Christmas. Remember those friends, co-workers and relatives who may be spending this Holiday alone and never forget that if you don’t have Christmas in your heart you’ll never find it under a tree.

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    ♥Warm hugs, lots of love to our Chips and the TOD Family.♥
    Wishing that this holiday season lights up your heart and home with joy!

    • 83 desertflower
      December 22, 2012 at 10:04 am

      Thanks for posting this, Chips. Must See. I posted this in the middle of the night last night and didn’t really know if anyone would bother watching. He hits this out of the park as far as I’m concerned.

      • 84 jacquelineoboomer
        December 22, 2012 at 12:01 pm

        Lawrence is a fighter, and he loves hearing the sound of his own voice, so once he figured out we all crave his fighting back, he keeps continuing it. It’s a win-win, and it works for me! Glad he’s on our side.

  17. December 22, 2012 at 9:38 am

    It is wonderful to see those pics of first family heading out for their vacation. Sadness still lingers for all the events over the past week but we all know how hard the president works. He deserves a break. Michelle looks lovely as usual.

  18. 87 utaustinliberal
    December 22, 2012 at 9:47 am

    Pres. Obama is not playing…..

    • December 22, 2012 at 9:52 am

      Oooooh, love this:

      “You get nothing. I get that for free.”

      • 89 Rain
        December 22, 2012 at 6:04 pm

        Me too, can’t you just see the look on his face….that whole I-am-sick-of-your-BS-so-don’t-mess-with-me-anymore look!

    • 90 donna dem 4 obama
      December 22, 2012 at 9:58 am

      Darn! Subscriber protected. I sure would love to read that entire article 😛

      • 91 JER
        December 22, 2012 at 10:26 am

        …Mr. Obama repeatedly lost patience with the speaker as negotiations faltered. In an Oval Office meeting last week, he told Mr. Boehner that if the sides didn’t reach agreement, he would use his inaugural address and his State of the Union speech to tell the country the Republicans were at fault. … At one point, according to notes taken by a participant, Mr. Boehner told the president, “I put $800 billion [in tax revenue] on the table. What do I get for that?”

        “You get nothing,” the president said. “I get that for free.” … He and Mr. Obama didn’t sit down together for another 10 days. The session began genially. But tension quickly emerged over the president’s call to include increasing the U.S.’s borrowing limit in any final package.

        Responded Mr. Boehner: “I’ve found in my life that everything I’ve ever wanted has come with price.” … The president repeatedly reminded Mr. Boehner of the election results: “You’re asking me to accept Mitt Romney’s tax plan. Why would I do that?” … On Dec. 13, Mr. Boehner went to the White House at the president’s request, joking he was going to the woodshed.

        The president told him he could choose one of two doors. The first represented a big deal. If Mr. Boehner chose it, the president said, the country and financial markets would cheer. Door No. 2 represented a spike in interest rates and a global recession. … As the week progressed, support didn’t materialize, with some GOP members complaining that the bill raised taxes and others that it didn’t have enough spending cuts. Mr. Boehner pulled it Thursday night and read the Serenity Prayer to members, whom he then dismissed.

        On Friday afternoon, the president spoke to both Mr. Boehner and Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid in a bid to resurrect a deal. Soon afterward he left the White House for his annual family vacation in Hawaii. More: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324731304578193770576333616.html

    • 98 desertflower
      December 22, 2012 at 10:06 am

      Sent a plane for Boner? “Get your sorry ass back to work you POS incompetent!” Yikes! Boner’s not a leader, he just likes to PLAY one on TV….

      • 99 debz
        December 22, 2012 at 11:06 am

        Sending a plane for Boner, that is too funny!!!

        • 100 Pamela
          December 22, 2012 at 1:15 pm

          Nothing funny about his sorry ass not being on the job in the first place, and that WE THE PEOPLE paid for that free plane ride for him, in the second place… But I do love the element that The President of the United States says to get your butt back here, now.

    • December 22, 2012 at 3:09 pm

      ok, the image of this just cracked me up:

      Jonathan Karl @jonkarl
      One other detail: Obama sent a plane to Ohio to bring Boehner back to DC for their meeting on Monday.

      Orange Julius clutching the Jack Daniels, and gets a phone call.

      OJ: Yes.
      Phone: The plane will be there at 10 a.m., Mr. Speaker.
      OJ: What plane?
      Phone: The plane the President sent for you.
      OJ about to speak when he hears a ‘click’ at the other end.

  19. December 22, 2012 at 9:49 am

    LOL! Chips favorite Glen Greenwald is on CH show to discuss foreign policy. As if he is a know it all?

  20. 108 betseyc
    December 22, 2012 at 9:51 am

    Good morning, everyone. Wonderful Rise and Shine, Chips. So grateful for your beautiful energy and this amazing community you’ve created. Here a very solacing, laugh out loud read for all of us pained by the state of the media — Alex Pareene’s Top Ten Hacks of 2012: http://www.salon.com/topic/the-hack-list/

    • December 22, 2012 at 9:59 am

      Morning Betsey, thank you!!

      Ooooh, love the mashing of Politico!

      ‘Home of the campaign’s loudest, least essential journalism …. Allen and VandeHei are wholly and uncritically endorsing the Beltway and CEO elite consensus while acting as if they are passing on to you secret wisdom. These two are why every right-thinking person despises Politico and all they stand for.’

  21. 110 hopefruit2
    December 22, 2012 at 10:05 am

    G’morning Chips, TOD, lurkers, etc. and happy Saturday! 🙂 I’m very happy that my President and First Family are safely in Hawaii beginning their Christmas vacation!

  22. 112 anniebella
    December 22, 2012 at 10:08 am

    Did Wayne LaPierre say that the NRA will pay for the arm policemen he suggested to be put in every school? In my opinion he should have remain silent, because he made a dam fool of his self.

    • 114 anniebella
      December 22, 2012 at 10:25 am

      Did I see Sen. Diane Fienstien there enjoying gangnam style.

    • 115 utaustinliberal
      December 22, 2012 at 11:01 am

      Thanks for posting this Chips. I watched the show twice last night just to watch Pres. Obama’s reaction to Psy. I know PBO has said he can do the Gangnam Style and I bet he was itching to do it yesterday. That would be priceless footage. 😆

    • 116 theo67
      December 22, 2012 at 1:33 pm

      This is priceless! I think the President was holding himself back from jumping up and joining in on the dancing! Hilarious.

      • 117 Pamela
        December 22, 2012 at 1:42 pm

        It is possible that FLOTUS had said, “don’t you DARE!” 😉

        • 118 theo67
          December 22, 2012 at 1:47 pm

          Look at President Obama’s beaming face – you can just see the thought bubble saying “I wonder what would happen if I just got up and joined them…” – he looked like positively delighted!

    • 119 Rain
      December 22, 2012 at 6:12 pm

      Great to see a genuine smile on PBO’s face for a change! I wonder how much stress relief dancing with Psy will give you? 🙂

  23. 120 utaustinliberal
    December 22, 2012 at 10:10 am

    Holy smokes TOD, the behind the scenes reporting of the fiscal cliff deal by the WSJ is freaking awesome. Pres. Obama plays a wicked awesome game of Hardball.

  24. 122 dotster3
    December 22, 2012 at 10:12 am

    Need to support tweets like this as NRA imbeciles are responding in abundance with their vile nonsense.


    • 123 Bill
      December 22, 2012 at 10:28 am

      He is also a graduate of Bob Jones University. Guns and the fundies go together.

      • 124 Lovepolitics2008
        December 22, 2012 at 4:50 pm

        Because fundamentalism and paranoia go together. Frank Schaeffer has expained this many times. He knows the fundamentalist culture and has always said these guys are nuts and dangerous.

    • 125 desertflower
      December 22, 2012 at 10:29 am

      Follow the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

      • 126 Bill
        December 22, 2012 at 10:35 am

        I would love to see what the NRA is paying Hutchinson. LaPierre’s “base” salary is $ 1 million a year.

        Off topic, but LaPierre sounds very French.

        • 127 jacquelineoboomer
          December 22, 2012 at 12:12 pm

          The name, yes, but the person sounds very Goofball. I haven’t watched many of the mighty goofball’s speeches, but did anybody else notice he looked very tired and had that deer-in-the-headlights look in his eyes?

  25. 128 desertflower
    December 22, 2012 at 10:13 am


    Don’t waste time telling your gun-advocate friends you spring from a gun family or that you count among your friends gunsmiths, gun-shop owners and hunters. A one-time member of the NRA, at the range I liked the M-16 the best. This means nothing to the zealot. You can be the parent of a dead child pleading for reasonable action and they are unmoved.

    Don’t waste time learning statistics. The debate is strictly emotional. Tell your friend we have more guns than grains of sand and he’ll tell you a grandmother in Ames blew away a rapist with her AK-47 and the discussion is over.

    Don’t waste anyone’s time with total gun bans. Banning all guns is a preposterous fantasy and is the ludicrous counterpoint to the loony NRA at the other end of the spectrum.

    Don’t waste time dissecting the Second Amendment with Constitutional psychics divining intent.

    All of our rights have limits that we, the people, and our courts have agreed upon. No Founding Father intended Somalia as the template for a more perfect union.

    • 129 0388jojothecat
      December 22, 2012 at 11:05 am

      Agreed. The gun zealots who think like NRA Peppy LaPew will only muddy the conversation. People like Huckabee who are saying God needs to be in the classroom and end gay marriage, end violent movies and videos, stop your children from playing violent video games all day are just nut cases. We need to ignore them.

      We need to focus on the fact that a 20 yr old murdered 20 six and seven year olds for no reason with a high powered weapon with multiple clips that were bought legally by a responsible gun owner in the beginning. Responsible gun owners become irresponsible when people get murdered with their guns. This was not a rapist, gangbangger, or bank robber. The brave teachers did there best to save the other children giving the ultimate sacrifice. Teachers do not sign up for combat. We do not need armed teachers, janitors, and administrators at schools. Children and parents should feel safe at school.

      • 130 daisydem
        December 22, 2012 at 12:17 pm

        I agree with your comments except with the part about the guns he used being purchased by a “responsible” gun owner. She was not a responsible person; why did she guns of that type in her possession and she allowed her son, even took him to the firing range, to have access. I think this is why he killed her first; she may have been the root of his paranoia, or pathology of whatever kind he had, or just plain meanness. We knew a family once, one of my husband’s best friends and all at once the best friend was no longer speaking to my husband. We sometimes went down to visit with them on Sunday afternoon’s. We called one Sunday and said we would like to come and were told fine by the father. When we arrived their son (hubby’s friend) was not there and his father said, oh, he just had to run to the store, he will be back. We were there for an hour or so, and he did not come back. My hubby stayed in the den talking to the father, while I visited with the mother in the kitchen as she made preparations for their dinner. She began talking to me about how we had to be careful what we were saying as “their house was bugged.” She said (in whispers to me) that due to her husband’s security clearance level in the Army, and what he knew, there were people who had them under surveillance and were coming to “get them..” I kid you not, as I stood there, chills ran down my body. I went to the den, plead a headache, and asked hubby if we could leave. We did. His friend still had not returned home. I told hubby what the mother told me; he was shocked, but being a therapist he immediately recognized we were in the midst of some paranoia that the mother and son had created (we are not sure about the father). Weeks later, he went and found his friend at a shopping mall close to his house (he had again fled upon learning my hubby was coming by). The friend at first turned away, but when provoked turned on my husband and then ranted about hubby’s entire family (who he had grown up near) and how they were “in on” this vendetta by the government against his father! It was freaking unbelievable and my hubby, though he is a professional, has a hard time accepting this because it was a friend, not a client about whom he could be objective. My point is, I feel like this mother and son had some sort of interplay in their relationship that led him to plan to kill her, take her guns and kill others. These are the people we are allowing access to guns that can wipe out multiple people in only a few minutes. God Help Us.

        • 131 theo67
          December 22, 2012 at 1:40 pm

          It’s very easy for hysteria to set in with these conspiracy theories. The mind can make you believe almost anything, because the mind is built to fill in the gaps based on past beliefs and behaviors – it’s how we process the world around us. That’s why propaganda works so well – and why FOX “News” is as popular as it is, and facts seem to have no room in that world – the brain fills in the gaps based on beliefs and past experience and assumptions. It’s very sad.

        • 132 0388jojothecat
          December 22, 2012 at 4:54 pm

          My mothers boyfriend bought a gun from a kid who said he stole it out a police car (here in los angeles sometimes police will bail out of their patrol cars with their doors wide open, even in bad nieghborhoods). When they broke up he left the gun behind and because of my mothers occasion parinoia I took it away from her when she moved. I remember too many times where she threatened neighbors and her ex-boyfriend. I remember he called me because she threatened to shoot him and he’s the one who brought the gun into the house. I keep missing the events where the police allows the community to turn in guns no questions asked. I hope they have one soon. I have it well hiden and threw the bullets away.

      • 133 jacquelineoboomer
        December 22, 2012 at 12:22 pm

        *NRA Peppy LaPew*

        Priceless. I just wish he were Gunless. And Jobless. He’s already Hopeless and Brainless.

    • 134 Rain
      December 22, 2012 at 6:19 pm

      This is so true! Trying to reason with the nuts is pointless. They are also good at twisting your words, questioning the definition of words you use and such. I got sucked into a debate like that the other day because I thought the person I was talking to was intelligent and level-headed. I was wrong.

  26. December 22, 2012 at 10:16 am

    Morning folks.

    I’m here to, quite frankly, whine.

    I’ve spent the first night of my vacation with a wicked stomach virus. I’ve lost track of the number of times I’ve had to rush to the bathroom. I haven’t felt like this in years. I feel, quite honestly, like crap. Ugh, this is awful.

  27. 157 utaustinliberal
    December 22, 2012 at 10:17 am

    • 158 theo67
      December 22, 2012 at 1:45 pm

      I love this. And all the while President Obama and his people were playing hardball, the emoprogs, led by Ezra Klein and Ed Schultz, were saying the President had “caved” (their favourite word) and betrayed them, and lamenting how they had not voted for this. They were riling themselves up into a lather all the while the President was busy doing the job they elected him to do. The President must get so disappointed after four years of emoprog hyperventilating.

      • 159 Chi
        December 22, 2012 at 2:43 pm

        ‘..The President must get so disappointed after four years of emoprog hyperventilating…’

        It must surely be tiresome; the expected madness from a crazy opposition, compounded by the unbelievable hysterics and piling on from a rowdy, know-it-all-but-know-nothing, self-appointed voices of the ‘left’…

      • 160 nathkatun7
        December 23, 2012 at 2:31 am

        “The President must get so disappointed after four years of emoprog hyperventilating.”

        The President is a bigger man than me. He probably thinks there is still hope to save some of the emoprogs. For me, I am not just disappointed, I am totally disgusted with them.

  28. 162 utaustinliberal
    December 22, 2012 at 10:21 am

  29. 163 utaustinliberal
    December 22, 2012 at 10:25 am

  30. 164 utaustinliberal
    December 22, 2012 at 10:31 am

    • 165 desertflower
      December 22, 2012 at 10:33 am

      Flipping 2 year old. They are incapable of governing. Always have been. Maybe eyes will open to that sorry fact.

  31. 166 Lovepolitics2008
    December 22, 2012 at 10:32 am

    Morning everyone !

    Wow, very interesting information in the WSJ on the negociations. I’m not a suscriber so I can’t read the whole thing. From the tidbits, President Obama is a pretty tough negociator. Maybe this will appease the emos. On the other hand, the repubs will be pretty mad…. And when they’re mad they dig in their heels even more; they always look to me like teenagers in rebellion.

    • 167 carolyn
      December 22, 2012 at 10:43 am

      They can dig their heels in and scream all they want…..they’re like two year olds in the grocery store when they want candy. If you give in to them, they are not appeased anyway. Take them out of the store, put them in the car, and……..as Boehner says “take them to the woodshed.” These guys need to grow up. There is no reasoning with them. They understand only strength and force. They are truly the biggest whiners I’ve ever seen. I think Boehner has realized he’s not going to get what he “wants” from the president, so is putting off the real day of reckoning. He can party and drink this weekend and forget…..he is toast, one way or another.

      • 168 Lovepolitics2008
        December 22, 2012 at 5:11 pm

        “They only understand strenght and force”. How true. These are the traits of the authoritarian personality. The authoritarian personality is very frequent among conservatives; in particular, fundamentalists, hard-right conservatives usually score very high on the “authoritatian scale”.

        A good read: “The Authoritarians” by Bob Altemeyer. Available on line. Just google it !

        (I wonder if President Obama and some members of his team are aware of the research on the authoritarian personality. Maybe they have not read the book of Mr. Altemeyer but I hope they have read the works of John Dean , a republican whistleblower in the Watergate scandal. John Dean wrote many books, but I particularly recommend “Conservatives Without Conscience”; in it he refers to the works of Mr. Altemeyer.)

    • December 22, 2012 at 11:22 am

      Nothing will appease emos. Team Obama accepted that reality years ago. Besides they have nothing to bring to the table anyway so it’s a moot point. As for Republicans digging in their heels that’s hard to do when you’re standing in quicksand. PBO has all the cards.

  32. 170 anniebella
    December 22, 2012 at 10:33 am

    Lovely Christmas message from POTUS and FLOTUS.

  33. 171 utaustinliberal
    December 22, 2012 at 10:34 am

  34. 174 utaustinliberal
    December 22, 2012 at 10:38 am

  35. 176 daisydem`
    December 22, 2012 at 10:38 am

    Had to scroll past the comments to make my observation about Bo: doesn’t he just look like, behave like a First Dog? He bounds up the steps to the plane as though he knows exactly where they are going and why and that he plays a part. Love him! Now back up with my coffee to read comments. Good morning TOD!

  36. December 22, 2012 at 10:44 am

    Well, as crappy as I feel, I’m pretty sure Orange Man feels ten times worse.

  37. December 22, 2012 at 10:48 am

    Good Morning TOD. I wish everyone a joyful weekend. Stay safe.

  38. 181 utaustinliberal
    December 22, 2012 at 10:49 am

  39. December 22, 2012 at 10:50 am

    Morning all you O’s!!! How’s it going in TODdytown on yet another great getting up day? So today I go to try and instigate a bidding war between my final two choices for the new kitchen cabinets. I’m not good at this, evident by the fact that I once paid list price for an automobile just to avoid the bartering. So hopefully, I can get the company I really want the cabinets from to match the price of the company that are giving me a good deal on the countertop and sink.

    Looking at the reports of the conversation between Boner and PBO per the WSJ, I say don’t trust them. They had an editorial blaming PBO for not bargaining in good faith with Boner and the since the ball is in his court, that PBO should get the Repubs on board.

    Just wondering if the NRA nut DeRanged LaPoop will actually show up for his stint on MTP? Will he stay the course and go completely off the deep end on live TV?

    • December 22, 2012 at 10:59 am

      I agree this is just a bait, to say later that Obama cause the tax increase because he didnt bargain in good faith.

      • 184 4morefor44
        December 22, 2012 at 11:10 am

        exactly my first thought too. seems oddly detailed, and rupert murdoch has been clearing tampering with the wall st journal reporting since he bought it. we’ll know either way over the next couple of days by how the media spins it, which the republicans will then echo as en masse. it’s amazing how well they coordinate these p.r. offenses in the media. they’ll try to get this propaganda out quick too, so people are repeating the talking points at their family gatherings (and notice right when president obama goes on vacation). we’ll know soon enough.

    • 185 HZ
      December 22, 2012 at 11:23 am

      Good Morning Chips and my TOD Family. A beautiful Sat. to everyone and ofcourse, a wonderful vacation Christmas for our First Family. Great photos, Chips. Thank you for always lifting our spirits to a place that is calm and very sweet. We have the best here.

      LL, listen to your wife and TOD family. That is from your sis HZ. I am very concerned about this situation. Please.

      Donna dem, thanks for that lovely greeting. You are so thoughtful and so creative.

      Amk, love you tweet. My brother got me an iPhone for birthday, and ofcourse, I am still trying to figure out how to send a photo with a text. These brilliant young people, I love them so much. Heck, if they are this brilliant, just think how brilliant we golden generation had to be. What a great country.

      I love my president. Believe me, he is just warming up for these fools. Remember the red boxing gloves when mitty was invited to lunch., no accident. David P. hands all over it. Just kidding. Maybe Axe. Just kidding. But remember POB did win, and he plans to show them also. These fools just asked for a fight that they Will Not Win. POTUS has the people with him. We showed up on Nov. 6, 2012, hell, we are not leaving him now. Remember, we will Not allow anyone to steal our joy.

      I hope and pray with all goodness that our First Family will have a great time of laughing, relaxing with family and friends. He is going to be just fine. He knows that we sent him there to be Mr. President, and he will. Just stand with him.

      Love you all, and thanks for having me here as part of one of the greatest loving families one could ask for in this space. (((((((( HZ))))))) Love you all.

  40. 186 Grab A Mop Grace
    December 22, 2012 at 11:04 am

    Anyone know if Christmas in Washington will air again? I missed it last night.

    Can’t find anything on the TNT website about a re-air.
    Thought that you smart TODers might have some inside info:)

    • 187 cookemom
      December 22, 2012 at 11:08 am

      I don’t see it either, but if you have cable maybe you can catch it On Demand or Uverse. Sometimes they’ll have already aired shows available. It did re-air in the wee hours of this morning.

  41. 189 dotster3
    December 22, 2012 at 11:07 am

    Just talked to my Ct. daughter about how everyone there is so affected by the tragic events there. She said she’ll walk into someone’s office at work, and they’ll be sitting there crying. Observed the moment of silence and all were crying, even most of the guys. Her kids haven’t been sleeping well, finds them still awake late, saying they can’t get the events out of their minds. She tried to keep some of the horror from them but they heard all the details anyway from friends at school. And then there is the observance of ‘random acts of kindness’ going on everywhere, with everyone with new perspectives. She went to fetch her wallet out of her purse to pay for a xmas gift at a store and it wasn’t there. Moment of panic—-but the saleslady from that store was so nice and walked with her back to the previous store where she had been—–and they happily discovered that a kind soul had found her wallet and turned it in intact—all cash and credit cards still there. And they are trying to cheerfully carry on with the xmas festivities, despite the heavy cloud hanging over them there, trying to provide some normalcy for the kids.

  42. 191 utaustinliberal
    December 22, 2012 at 11:27 am

    Hey CollegeKay, I know you wanted to read the WSJ article, so I’m going to post the full article so you can read it in all its glory. Other journalists are now reporting about the story and wow….Pres. Obama is a master negotiator. Nothing new to us but unlike whiny Obama supporters and emoprogs, I am always a-ok when Pres. Obama is negotiating for us. The behind the scenes look from the WSJ and other news outlet shows that Boehner got his ass handed to him. Pres. Obama plays some kind wicked awesome political chess. Here’s the full article.

    WASHINGTON—Congressional leaders and President Barack Obama called Friday for a return to negotiations to avert the so-called fiscal cliff, a day after talks cratered in a very public fashion when Republicans abandoned House Speaker John Boehner’s backup plan.

    In truth, talks to secure a big deficit-reduction deal had already broken down Monday afternoon in the office of Mr. Boehner (R., Ohio), a Wall Street Journal reconstruction shows. Mr. Boehner had been negotiating a deal with the White House to let tax rates rise for upper-income people.

    Mr. Boehner, irritated with the White House, was finding it hard to keep his troops in line as details of his negotiations with Mr. Obama leaked out. In the speaker’s office just off the Capitol’s majestic rotunda that afternoon, he told his top lieutenants that he was already thinking about a pared-down backup plan. “In the absence of an agreement, ‘Plan B’ is the plan,” he told his deputies, according to a script he read them that afternoon.

    One by one, they came out in favor of Plan B and against the broader deal.

    House Ways and Means Chairman Dave Camp (R., Mich.) said the new tax revenue the broader plan called for was too high. Then Budget Chairman Paul Ryan (R., Wis.), whom Mr. Boehner had spent weeks wooing, said he couldn’t sign on because it didn’t make structural changes in entitlements.

    The speaker went ahead with Plan B, which collapsed Thursday night before he could even bring it to a vote, leaving talks at a perilous standstill just days before the year-end fiscal-cliff deadline. Even if an agreement can be reached by then, both sides expect it to be a small package doing little to tackle the long-term budget woes and deferring the battle until next year.

    A review of the negotiations, based on interviews with a dozen aides and lawmakers, suggests the problems lay in Mr. Boehner’s inability to coax his rank-and-file to support a deal that raises taxes on higher-income Americans. Another factor was what Republicans saw as President Obama’s unwillingness to bend when a deal was in sight, jamming the speaker with a deal his party couldn’t swallow.

    The negotiations offer little evidence November’s election brought the president and House Republicans closer together. If anything, the talks poisoned an already distrustful relationship.

    Mr. Boehner could soon face a decision whether to call for a vote on some sort of plan that could avert the cliff’s spending cuts and tax increases but might imperil his position if he had to rely on Democrats to pass it.

    Mr. Obama repeatedly lost patience with the speaker as negotiations faltered. In an Oval Office meeting last week, he told Mr. Boehner that if the sides didn’t reach agreement, he would use his inaugural address and his State of the Union speech to tell the country the Republicans were at fault.

    At one point, according to notes taken by a participant, Mr. Boehner told the president, “I put $800 billion [in tax revenue] on the table. What do I get for that?”

    “You get nothing,” the president said. “I get that for free.”

    After the election, Boehner aides tried to shape the debate by offering early concessions, including that the GOP would agree to raise new tax revenue. A speech Mr. Boehner planned to give was rewritten 18 times and included input from top Republican leaders.

    He and Mr. Obama didn’t sit down together for another 10 days. The session began genially. But tension quickly emerged over the president’s call to include increasing the U.S.’s borrowing limit in any final package.

    Responded Mr. Boehner: “I’ve found in my life that everything I’ve ever wanted has come with price.”

    Mr. Obama told the speaker he wasn’t willing to play games with the debt ceiling.

    Staffs got to work on the outline of a deal. In their first offer, Republicans wanted to essentially preserve Bush-era rates set to expire Dec. 31 while raising some new revenue through a tax overhaul in 2013. The White House made clear it wouldn’t agree to a plan that didn’t raise some tax rates immediately.

    Brett Loper, the speaker’s top policy aide, prodded White House officials to look for tax revenue elsewhere. In phone calls and meetings, he steered them to tax shelters and suggested limiting deductions for tax-exempt municipal bonds.

    National Economic Council Director Gene Sperling told Mr. Loper it was impossible to hit revenue targets without raising tax rates.

    At one point, Mr. Loper said, “I’m asking you for help. Are you going to help me or not?”

    Shortly after, aides to Mr. Boehner suggested he call the president.

    Columnist Mary Anastasia O’Grady on the failure of Boehner’s Plan B. Photo: Pool

    Mr. Obama insisted on raising tax rates for those with household income above $250,000. The House GOP wanted significant spending cuts and fundamental changes to Medicare and other entitlement programs in exchange for new tax revenue.

    The president repeatedly reminded Mr. Boehner of the election results: “You’re asking me to accept Mitt Romney’s tax plan. Why would I do that?” At another point, the speaker noted his GOP majority would also return next year.

    The White House’s first formal offer, presented Nov. 29 left Mr. Boehner incredulous. It included a request for $1.6 trillion in additional tax revenue over 10 years, a permanent increase in the debt ceiling and money for road projects and other year-end priorities. In return it offered spending cuts of $400 billion—25 cents for each dollar in new revenue.

    Taking a drag on his cigarette, Mr. Boehner asked Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner, who had presented the plan, a number of questions but didn’t fully engage him. Across the Capitol, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R., Ky) said he laughed at the offer.

    The same sticking points kept rearing up—the White House insisting on more tax revenue than Republicans could stomach, and the Republicans demanding deeper cuts than the White House would accept.

    During one session in the Capitol with White House’s legislative liaison Rob Nabors, Mr. Loper from the Boehner camp asked, referring to a near-deal during last year’s debt-ceiling fight: “Can you get back into the zone of where you were in July 2011?”

    “No,” Mr. Nabors replied. “We were probably overextended then, and there’s no way we would do it now.”

    Mr. Nabors said if they couldn’t reach a deal, they should keep lines of communication alive. The typically serious Mr. Loper asked, “So, you’re breaking up with us?”

    On Dec. 13, Mr. Boehner went to the White House at the president’s request, joking he was going to the woodshed.

    The president told him he could choose one of two doors. The first represented a big deal. If Mr. Boehner chose it, the president said, the country and financial markets would cheer. Door No. 2 represented a spike in interest rates and a global recession.

    Mr. Boehner said he wanted a deal along the lines of what the two men had negotiated in the summer of 2011 in a fight over raising the debt ceiling. “You missed your opportunity on that,” the president told him.

    That night, the speaker and Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R., Va.) decided to make the biggest concession so far.

    As the country the next day digested news of a brutal school shooting in Connecticut, Mr. Boehner called the president and for the first time offered to let tax rates rise—on income above $1 million. The president acknowledged the concession but said Mr. Boehner’s plan wasn’t raising enough revenue.

    News broke the next night both about the concession and that the speaker was willing to extend the borrowing limit. On Sunday, the White House sent a plane to fly Mr. Boehner back to Washington for a morning appointment with the president on Monday, the day it now appears the deal fell apart.

    In that session, the president held firm for $1.2 trillion in additional tax revenue, a second step down from his original offer. Mr. Boehner asked for another $100 billion in spending cuts but couldn’t get a commitment.

    Finally, the speaker said, “Well, you and I can sit here and stare at each other,” or he could leave and they would talk later.

    Back in the Capitol, Mr. Boehner told Mr. Cantor the president wasn’t moving. They agreed to call him. On the call, Mr. Boehner restated he needed $1 in spending cuts for every $1 in revenue raised. He dropped a prior demand to increase the Medicare eligibility age.

    The president told Mr. Boehner that he was willing to make some concessions on taxes and spending, but cautioned that they needed to retain Democratic votes for the bill to pass.

    The speaker raised the prospect of moving a backup bill. White House officials said Mr. Boehner didn’t reveal what Plan B comprised. Administration officials expected a few more days of back-and-forth, but the speaker thought the prospects were dim for a big deal.

    Meeting with his leadership team in the afternoon, Mr. Boehner read from a script prepared by his staff, telling lawmakers he still wanted a big deal but the rank and file needed to know the plan by a 9 a.m. conference meeting the next morning, Tuesday. He encouraged his colleagues to accept the backup plan.

    “I’m going to keep the proposal on the table,” he said of the broader deal. “As I told the president, I’m not making an ultimatum. The offer stays on the table, even if we move on Plan B.”

    His lieutenants made clear they preferred Plan B to the one Mr. Boehner was trying to broker.

    The speaker called the president with news the House would move ahead with the backup bill, which would preserve Bush-era rates for all income below $1 million. The president was incensed.

    As the week progressed, support didn’t materialize, with some GOP members complaining that the bill raised taxes and others that it didn’t have enough spending cuts. Mr. Boehner pulled it Thursday night and read the Serenity Prayer to members, whom he then dismissed.

    On Friday afternoon, the president spoke to both Mr. Boehner and Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid in a bid to resurrect a deal. Soon afterward he left the White House for his annual family vacation in Hawaii.


    • 192 collegekay
      December 22, 2012 at 11:50 am

      THANK YOU!

    • 193 cookemom
      December 22, 2012 at 11:53 am

      Be careful posting this much print from a source that charges for access. You may be opening this site up for cyberspace copyright type stuff. Usually, only a paragraph or so is all that is allowed. I’m no lawyer, but I think I’ve read this restriction somewhere on the innertubz, and as we all know, if it’s on the tubz it must be true.

    • 194 No Child Left Behind
      December 22, 2012 at 11:57 am

      Good morning, utaustinliberal!

      Though the article was not intended to me, I enjoyed it much and say thatnks. I was looking for it.

      Have a good day.

    • 196 Janelle
      December 22, 2012 at 12:21 pm

      I also agree that this article was not meant for me either, but it was very interesting. When the emoprogs start their craziness, I just lay low and wait…..because their obsession with “Obama betrayal”, condescension and treating him like an infant and they are the parent becomes too predictable at this point. No reasoning or explanation calms them down and their negativity brings everyone else down and is not good. As Donna Dem mentioned this week, you just have to hold strong for our President during the “sausage-making process” of trying to get deals done. All eventual deals have to be debated on or amended before any big deal can go through anyway. So it’s best to just wait and be patient. We have to be there for PBO when his name is not on the ballot during midterms and state and local elections. Folks have to stop whining when they’re following politics—-it’s not for the faint of heart.

  43. December 22, 2012 at 11:35 am

    Does anybody know where I can go to sign a petition is SUPPORT of Chuck Hegel as Defense Sec?? I have always loved Sen. Hegel — he’s a moderate Republican and he tells it like it is.

  44. 202 Janelle
    December 22, 2012 at 11:40 am

    Thanks so much UT for posting this article. But here’s the thing……no matter what Boehner and his aides’ version are, they were never going to be able to pass a deal that increased taxes on the wealthy….period. Boehner’s “good faith” offers are null if he can’t deliver—and the President knows he can’t deliver a $800B in revenue increases with his present caucus. The debt negotiations in 2011 proved that, so how can the President deal with the lack of House leadership? All bills have to go through them. The President pushed several issues because the bottom line is this….Boehner cannot deliver an increase in revenue through House votes. I don’t care what their version says or their talking points are at this point. First they paint the President as “weak” then he’s a supposedly threatening, arrogant and unreasonable man. No, he’s just smart, calm and unwilling to play games with the debt ceiling.

    • 203 Janelle
      December 22, 2012 at 11:42 am

      I meant this comment to appear under UT’s posting of the WSJ article above.

    • 204 theo67
      December 22, 2012 at 3:07 pm

      I also found it interesting that Boehner said his negotiations failed because members in his party considered that the deal amounted to a tax increase, and they didn’t want to be seen voting for a tax increase. Well, more than half the country wants to see them voting for a tax increase – so does that not matter at all to them?

      Reading the WSJ article, and what strikes me is that the GOP want tax cuts and rejects tax increases, and the pundits and “journalists” report the back and forth of the deal. But none of them report what is best for the country. Nobody on the right (including their media puppets) ever wonder how what the GOP are offering will benefit the country, move it forward, make it more competitive, prosper the middle class, reduce the deficit, grow businesses. None of that matters – just their so-called “principles”.

  45. December 22, 2012 at 11:42 am

    Welcome home Mr. President! I love the way they change clothes mid-flight, ready for the balmy weather upon arrival. Malia’s shirt even matches her Mom. They are the cutest. I hope they have a wonderful holiday!

    • 206 jacquelineoboomer
      December 22, 2012 at 7:15 pm

      Ha! We know we’re Obamabots, when we know what they were wearing when they got on the plane, and what they were wearing when they landed. 🙂

  46. December 22, 2012 at 11:42 am

    Sorry — never mind. I found it at WhiteHouse.gov. 🙂

  47. 209 desertflower
    December 22, 2012 at 12:01 pm


    Between the humiliating and chaotic collapse of Speaker Boehner’s already ludicrously extreme Plan B and Wayne La Pierre’s deranged proposal to put government agents in schools with guns, the Republican slide into total epistemic closure and political marginalization has now become a free-fall. This party, not to mince words, is unfit for government. There is no conservative party in the West – except for minor anti-immigrant neo-fascist ones in Europe – anywhere close to this level of far right extremism. And now the damage these fanatics can do is not just to their own country – was the debt ceiling debacle of 2011 not enough for them? – but to the entire world.

    But the current constitutional and economic vandalism removes any shred of doubt that this party and its lucrative media bubble is in any way conservative. They aren’t. They’re ideological zealots, indifferent to the consequences of their actions, contemptuous of the very to-and-fro essential for the American system to work, gerry-mandering to thwart the popular will, filibustering in a way that all but wrecks the core mechanics of American democracy, and now willing to acquiesce to the biggest tax increase imaginable because they cannot even accept Obama’s compromise from his clear campaign promise to raise rates for those earning over $250,000 to $400,000 a year.

    And this is not the exception. It is the rule. On abortion, the party proposes that it be made illegal in every state by amending the Constitution. Torture? More, please. Iran? It should be attacked if it merely develops the technological skill to make a nuclear bomb, let alone actually make one. Israel? Leading Republicans don’t just support new settlements on the West Bank. They show up for the opening ceremonies!

    • 210 theo67
      December 22, 2012 at 3:11 pm

      The GOP is a cancer on America.

    • 211 nathkatun7
      December 23, 2012 at 2:56 am

      The question is: Are there any enough sane Republicans willing to put Country first before extreme ideological purity? So far, I really haven’t seen any evidence that there are. Unless the vast majority of Americans rise up and organize to defeat Republicans this country may be heading towards disaster. For the 65million + of us who voted for the President, this is the time when we must demonstrate that we truly have the President’s back.

  48. 212 Jessica
    December 22, 2012 at 12:26 pm

    I can’t believe how young Michelle looks in the Weekly Address. She looks like she’s in her early 30’s. She must have access to Top Secret G-14 Classified First Lady Magic Elixir!

  49. 213 JER
    December 22, 2012 at 12:28 pm

    President Barack Obama and First Lady Michelle Obama plan to attend a public memorial ceremony for Sen. Daniel K. Inouye in Honolulu Sunday, Hawaii News Now has learned. Services for the World War II veteran and Medal of Honor recipient begin at 10 a.m. Sunday, Dec. 23 at the National Memorial Cemetery of the Pacific at Punchbowl. http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com

  50. 214 GGAIL
    December 22, 2012 at 12:41 pm

    Good West Coast morning Chipsticks & TOD family! Im so happy the First Family is on Holiday.

  51. 215 xtine
    December 22, 2012 at 12:44 pm

    Joy Reid covering @ MHP this weekend! IMO she should have her own show! Period!

    • December 22, 2012 at 12:58 pm

      Agree, though I missed it except for the last 30 minutes. That lady is some “awesome sauce”!

    • 217 Vicki
      December 22, 2012 at 1:15 pm

      I think Joy is one of the smartest people on TV. MSNBC apparently agrees as we are seeing her more and more.

      To paraphrase something about the debt negotiations from Kos that made me smile: We started out with President Huxtable but it looks like soon we will be getting President Samuel L. Jackson. (No disrespect to Bill Cosby who I love.)

      • 218 hopefruit2
        December 22, 2012 at 3:01 pm

        I think we started with Barack Obama and ended up with Barack Obama!!! 🙂

      • 220 4morefor44
        December 22, 2012 at 3:32 pm

        how in the world did we start with president huxtable?!? on the very first day in office there’s an economy hurtling toward a world wide depression never seen in world history, and the guy gets a tough stimulus bill passed in fairly short order. all with a republican cabal that had just agreed to make him a one-term president. then a bunch of other contentious bills that had never been tackled before by any president, gets those done, and then the historic healthcare law, which is clearly a path to single-payer. all within the first couple of years. i’m so tired of this “huxtable” type framing, from supposed liberals!! president obama has been kicking butt from the moment he got into office and is already one of the greatest presidents in american history, and a bunch of “bloggers,” mostly anonymous with little or no accomplishments in their pathetic little lives constantly seek to belittle this great man and his incredible accomplishments. they are not on my team, and i want nothing to do with them. meanwhile, sincere supporters of president obama have more goals to achieve such as getting the House back in 2014 and we need to stay focused on that, so as the man says, forward!!!

        • 221 Vicki
          December 22, 2012 at 5:11 pm

          Yikes! i thought the reference was to demeanor, not accomplishments, 4morefor44. I meant no disrespect at all.

          No President has done more than PBO. He has won every battle he has been in. Ask Hillary.
          Just that he wins with a smile and a pleasant manner.
          The quotes in the WSJ show a tougher face. Which is interesting.

          I guess I’d better screen my comments more carefully here.

    • 222 Bill R.
      December 22, 2012 at 1:50 pm

      Let me double that. She is total genius!

      • 223 Chi
        December 22, 2012 at 3:16 pm

        She is terrific…

        I just hope she doesn’t get corrupted or stifled like so many others have once the network elevates them…

        One of the reasons I get concerned when a smart, honest and informed pundit who actually does their homework, gets noticed and is hired on by the networks…

        When the network isn’t busy de-fanging them, they on their own begin to change to keep their new found gig and commensurate big bucks…

        They start playing the phony fair and balanced game and the both sides perspective which rings hollow and drastically waters down their credibility and effectiveness – quickly dragging them down…

        And most never recover…Yes they get reasonably remunerated, but they lose their soul and credibility in the process…

        • December 22, 2012 at 3:36 pm

          Chi, that’s my major concern as well. Joy is very insightful and knowledgeable. I hope MSNBC gives her a lot of latitude to express herself and if they began to inhibit her, I hope she kindly departs that organization.

    • December 22, 2012 at 2:57 pm

      Remember how everyone said how awesome MHP was and that she should have her own show? Now everyone hates her. I don’t want that to happen to Joy Reid…she 50 times better than MHP ever was.

      • 226 hopefruit2
        December 22, 2012 at 3:03 pm

        I agree.

      • 227 Chi
        December 22, 2012 at 3:17 pm

        Didn’t see your post before I wrote mine…

        My sentiments exactly…

      • 228 theo67
        December 22, 2012 at 3:19 pm

        I was always suspicious of MHP, especially after reading an article from her a few years back extolling the wonders of Sarah Palin and her TV show. It even drove me to write her an email asking her to take her position as a public person (who has some influence) more seriously. Many times I’ve felt MHP’s positions are sensational, taken to drive a reaction – which works beautifully in a classroom when you have extended access to students and can work to shape their initial reaction into an ability to present opposing positions. But, when presented in that fashion in a quick 3 minute segment, or on a two hour morning show – it can have a very bad effect of implying consent with those positions or personalities. And she doesn’t correct obviously erroneous or misleading guests.

        As for Joy Reid – I love her. She comes armed with facts, presents them well and convincingly, and manages to elicit opposing opinions for a thorough discussion that doesn’t leave participants misinformed. She’s fantastic. I do hope that if she got her own show (which I would gladly and regularly watch), that the producers would allow her to remain her authentic self.

      • 230 nathkatun7
        December 23, 2012 at 3:00 am

        Tien Le, you always have a way of bringing the discussion back to reality.

    • 232 desertflower
      December 22, 2012 at 1:15 pm

      Thank you so much for this, edwina! This is how things SHOULD work:)

    • 233 99ts
      December 22, 2012 at 7:04 pm

      Oh dear – I cried reading that story – what strength exists in “real” people that they can do all this for the children – holds the gop/gun rants for what they are – purposeless rants – while real Americans use their strength and love to rebuild a secure life for the children.

  52. December 22, 2012 at 12:52 pm

    LiberalLibrarian, How you doin’?

  53. 235 dotster3
    December 22, 2012 at 1:02 pm

  54. 237 forus50
    December 22, 2012 at 1:16 pm

    • 241 forus50
      December 22, 2012 at 1:26 pm

      These people need to start being charged with manslaughter. The gun appeared to be just sitting out unlocked. How is that any more irresponsible than driving drunk?

      • 242 desertflower
        December 22, 2012 at 1:32 pm

        It’s not. When people die like this, you don’t GET to say, “Opps, sorry!” Seems as though lots of people want to forget the responsibility part!

      • 243 Rain
        December 22, 2012 at 6:48 pm

        Absolutely! Keeping a gun unsecured in a home with kids or where kids visit should be child endangerment.

    • 244 nathkatun7
      December 23, 2012 at 3:07 am

      Wayne, now tell the mother of the toddler: “Guns don’t kill, People do.” I suppose, to the NRA leadership, the toddler should have known better not to play with the gun.

  55. December 22, 2012 at 2:17 pm

    Posting this again, since it was pretty late last night, and just wanted to share this AWESOME HAPPY with my TOD family.

    Here is your SOLSTICE PRESENT!!!

  56. December 22, 2012 at 2:40 pm

    The Republicans find stuff in op research that the left would not like about certain nominees, then they leak it!
    In this case, Senator Hagel said something about somebody’s sexual preference. It’s already been on Maddows Show, and Carney had to answer that question posed to him recently, about Hagel!
    So, I guess the Republicans only want people that lives Israel more than America and that would attack Iran as a first option.
    The Republicans don’t even recognize the Presidents victory a little over 1 month ago.
    I think they are in denial, I think they thought they had it in the bag and are now just going to oppose everything.
    I think the President should Blame everything on the Republicans, if they want to play like this, fuck them.
    That is all!

    • 249 theo67
      December 22, 2012 at 3:24 pm

      The GOP may not want to accept that the President won the election, but that doesn’t change reality. He did win re-election, and they do have to go through him to sign anything into law. Those are facts. And try as they might, they will eventually have to learn that they’ve been losing every battle they’ve waged against the President, and will continue to do so. They can either spend the next four years losing, or they can sort themselves out and get on the winning side and finally start working for the American people.

    • 250 Bill
      December 22, 2012 at 3:35 pm

      Hagel made the comment in 1998, and has apologized saying he no longer believed it. The goal of any movement is to change minds. He changed his mind from a 1998 opinion, and people are still complaining. This non-issue is absurd, and PBO will ignore it.

      • 251 theo67
        December 22, 2012 at 4:07 pm

        Indeed. Not only will PBO ignore the wails from the left, he was fully aware of this fact and its evolution before he started considering Chuck Hagel for the position, given that his nominee needs to ensure the continued execution of the end of DADT.

    • 252 Chi
      December 22, 2012 at 3:35 pm

      I saw that too Jovie…

      Shame that the ‘left’ always falls for the traps the Republicans set for them – especially when it’s designed specifically to work against the President…

      The constant default position of giving their Republican pals the benefit of the doubt – something they never allow President Obama – is rather disconcerting…

      Doesn’t it raise serious questions when for instance Rachel Maddow would sooner listen to and actually rank Steve Schmidt’s perspective over President Obama’s stated position…

      Something is terribly wrong…

    • 253 Alycee (@jazziz2)
      December 22, 2012 at 4:34 pm

      It is only the emo’s that are wailing. Most of the major LGBT groups have publicly accepted his apology and support the appointment.

  57. December 22, 2012 at 2:42 pm

  58. 256 susanne
    December 22, 2012 at 3:25 pm

    ‘ The Democratic Party of Hawaii’s state central committee has moved up its meeting to decide on three nominees to replace U.S. Sen. Daniel Inouye, raising the possibility that the appointed senator could be sworn-in before other new senators in early January.

    Dante Carpenter, the party’s chairman, said the meeting time was changed because of the possibility that critical votes on federal tax and spending issues to prevent a fiscal cliff could be taken before the end of the year. The state central committee will meet at 8 a.m. on Wednesday instead of 5 p.m. on Friday.
    Gov. Neil Abercrombie will make the appointment from the list forwarded by the party. The appointed senator would serve until voters in 2014 choose a senator to fill out the remainder of Inouye’s term, which runs through 2016. ‘


    • 257 Alycee (@jazziz2)
      December 22, 2012 at 3:47 pm

      I realize that I’m not from your great state, however, I hope they will wait to swear-in the appointed Senator. As there will be two new Seanators in the 113th, it seems only fair that the duly elected Senator should be senior and the appointed senator, jr.

  59. 260 japa21
    December 22, 2012 at 4:02 pm

    Fascinating WSJ article, although I would strongly suggest Chips either delete it or cut it drastically. I think printing that much tends to be a problem.

  60. December 22, 2012 at 4:03 pm

    Jerry Young lives in Reno, Nev., sports a bright-white Santa beard yearround and has developed contingency plans to survive more than 150 disaster scenarios. The complete list is too long to print, but here are the “A”s: A New Messiah, A new Persian Empire, Addictive Entertainment, Advanced Technology disaster, Airplane crash, Anarchy, Antibiotic resistant bacteria, Armageddon, Automotive accident, Avalanche, Aztlan/Reconquista Uprising.

    Young is a prepper, a type of survivalist stocked up for what he hopes is the apocalyptic disaster that will never come. If it does, he’s ready — and then some. But like many preppers throughout the nation in recent days, Young has been troubled by the news that last week’s massacre at an elementary school in Newtown, Conn. may have an indirect connection to the movement.

    Not much is known about the gunman Adam Lanza or his mother — the first victim — Nancy Lanza, whose guns he used to carry out his attack on Sandy Hook Elementary School. But reports that Nancy Lanza was a prepper are turning attention towards a nascent movement that has been rapidly entering the popular culture.

    Her sister, Marsha Lanza, was the first one to mention that Nancy Lanza had an interest in survivalist culture.

    “Last time we visited with her in person we talked about prepping and you know, are you ready for what can happen down the line when the economy collapses,” Marsha Lanza told a local reporter. According to the Daily Mail, Marsha Lanza said the “survivalist philosophy” helped explain why there were so many guns in her sister’s house.

    The prepper community has gained increasing attention in recent months on the strength of “Doomsday Preppers,” a National Geographic television show that documents survivalists around the country. But it’s a loose label, not a coherent group or philosophy.


    She was a Doomsday Prepper? Omg! That show is for the tin foil hat RWNJ.
    This explains everything!

    • 264 dotster3
      December 22, 2012 at 6:14 pm

      Marsha Lanza lives in my area and is a sister in law, brother of divorced father of shooter, has not seen her nephew, the shooter, since he was 3 yrs. old, only communicated with the mother occasionally on Facebook, has next to no credibility on the family, should have remained anonymous. Close family in N.H. denied any such doomsday mindset of the mother. Apparently, she just liked guns.

  61. 265 desertflower
    December 22, 2012 at 4:14 pm

    Just wondering about LL…..hope you’re feeling better:)

    • December 22, 2012 at 4:23 pm

      Just getting on to update everyone.

      Went to urgent care, got a shot and a prescription for nausea. Haven’t thrown up in about 3 hours, so all looks good. I can sip water as long as I don’t overdo it.

      My beloved T is asleep, as she was awake with me most of the night. She’s going to get my medication later.

      I was wracking my brain trying to remember the last time I felt like this. Spring Break 1992. But at least then i didn’t puke up yellow bile. I sort of freaked out when I did that today.

      So thanks for all the good wishes from everybody. I’m still unable to sleep, but at least the nausea has abated.

      Talk to you all later, hopefully.

      • December 22, 2012 at 4:37 pm

        So glad you went in to have someone check you out LL. I hope the medication helps. It’s been a real roller coaster year for you and the Mrs. Hope you are feeling better soon.

      • 268 desertflower
        December 22, 2012 at 4:39 pm

        Good news:) You might also want to sip on some ginger ale. Does wonders for calming the stomach and gets some sugar and fluids into you. Stick with saltines and toast for awhile, too…when you are able to tolerate some food. No gimlets for you tonight, my friend:)

      • December 22, 2012 at 4:41 pm

        LL, I pray for a speedy recovery from whatever it is you have. Rest up.

      • December 22, 2012 at 4:51 pm

        LL: keep hydrated!!! Try ice chips if water is too much, just hold some in your mouth and let them melt. As soon as you can keep something down, eat some yoghurt (advice from a friend who had Montezuma’s revenge after leaving Cozumel, Mexico years ago). The enzymes, probiotics, whatever in yoghurt does something to restore your enzyme balance or something like that. I don’t know – JUST DO IT! We’d rather be hearing about your gimlets and Manhattans!

      • December 22, 2012 at 6:33 pm

        Hi LL. So sorry to hear you’re sick. et well soon.

        In my native country we prepare a thick juice from fresh ground ginger mixed with lemon, no sugar. since it’s so strong you gently sip spoonfuls at a time.

        The fizz in ginger ale is often counterproductive as it tends to induce burps that can make you vomit

  62. December 22, 2012 at 4:21 pm

    Despite defeat, Boehner’s grip on Speaker’s gavel appears secure

    By Russell Berman and Molly K. Hooper – 12/21/12 05:34 PM ET

    John Boehner’s grip on the Speaker’s gavel appears to be secure, despite a personally embarrassing and politically damaging defeat Thursday at the hands of his fellow Republicans.

    The House Republican conference refused to deliver the votes to pass the Ohio lawmaker’s “Plan B” tax bill to prevent much of the fiscal cliff, sapping the Speaker of leverage in the climactic days of his year-end negotiations with President Obama and Democratic leaders.

    One conservative House Republican, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said the only way Boehner’s position is likely to be in serious jeopardy is if he agrees to raise the debt ceiling in a fiscal-cliff deal with Obama without significant concessions on spending cuts and entitlement reform from the president.

    “If he gives away the debt ceiling, he’s in trouble,” the member said.


    • December 22, 2012 at 4:27 pm

      Boehner’s in serious trouble and everyone knows it. Nice try ‘The Hill’ ….

      • 276 desertflower
        December 22, 2012 at 4:40 pm

        Saw that story and they said that Paul Ryan might “take over” if that was the case…..good lord. it hurts my head

        • 277 0388jojothecat
          December 22, 2012 at 5:35 pm

          The people of WI re-elected Paul Ryan and the folks from VA re-elected Cantor……so we have those people for continuing the political dysfunction in congress. The only way that we can stop this dysfunction is to get reasonable republican to cross their party line and take the political hit of losing their cushy jobs in politics to do what is right for this country.

        • 278 99ts
          December 22, 2012 at 7:13 pm

          When I read this from the WSJ
          “Then Budget Chairman Paul Ryan (R., Wis.), whom Mr. Boehner had spent weeks wooing, said he couldn’t sign on because it didn’t make structural changes in entitlements.”

          It seemed obvious that like the last VP nominee from the GOP, this one is also going to make trouble for his party. Like Mrs Palin, Paul Ryan thinks about Paul Ryan – all the time – if it is good for Paul Ryan – he will do all he can to make it happen. Everything Ryan stood for was rejected in the election – the gop sure is a party of losers.

      • 279 susanne
        December 22, 2012 at 4:44 pm

        exactly. what they’re really saying is, he’s only in trouble if he can’t get pbo to submit to the robmey plan. it’s astounding that the rethugs are imagining themselves to have enough power to do this, and that they’re willing to allow the country to go into a recession, for taxes to go up on the working families who can least afford it, and for economies around the world to suffer. it’s preposterous, and horrible. reminiscent of dr evil, only not funny. boner is through, but i’m concerned that whoever replaces him will be even more intractable, more irrational, more willing to throw the country away to get re-elected in their tiny, crazy district.

    • 280 Pamela
      December 22, 2012 at 4:48 pm

      That said, we know they will say anything to try and convince people they are holding their own. We know differently. As far as Braying Paul Ryan being selected, Ha Ha! Cantor would have him off’ed before he would let that happen! Cantor has been covering the speaker gavel for too long, and there is genuine evil in him. IMO

    • 283 Bill R.
      December 22, 2012 at 5:57 pm

      That’s an empty threat. PBO is not dealing with hostage takers. And even those idiots don’t want to bankrupt their masters by defaulting on the debt.

  63. 284 desertflower
    December 22, 2012 at 4:49 pm

    A story for the season (and beyond) that will make you smile and believe in the goodness of the human spirit again:) This made me happy. Please share.


    • 285 susanne
      December 22, 2012 at 5:04 pm

      amazing! thanks desertflower, and mele kalikimaka to you! hope things are going well for you~

      • 286 desertflower
        December 22, 2012 at 5:10 pm

        Thanks, susanne:) Take good care of our First Family 🙂 mele kalikimaka!

      • 287 0388jojothecat
        December 22, 2012 at 6:01 pm

        Thank you desertflower. That was a very heartwarming story of a very generous man who comes from an amazing family. As a single person, that is the type of thing I would do if I could monetarily. I would allow a deserving family stay until they can get on their feet, save enough for a first and last or get into low cost housing. That is one thing that the Government could do is build more low cost housing and make it more temporary then permanate. They would go to single or two parent families who are working or looking for work. It could be housing where they go through parenting classes, finance and budgeting classes as a condition of living there. I feel that government can be more helpful to it’s citizens by giving them a helping hand to stand on their own. That is all most people want.

    • 288 Bill R.
      December 22, 2012 at 6:00 pm

      Wow! That is way cool. A living Gospel story in our time.

    • 289 a4alice
      December 22, 2012 at 8:01 pm

      that was great DF thx!

  64. 290 a4alice
    December 22, 2012 at 5:00 pm

    apparently LaPierre’s mentor was…….. Archie Bunker!


  65. 291 desertflower
    December 22, 2012 at 5:03 pm


    Warren Burger was a conservative Republican, appointed U.S. chief justice by President Richard Nixon in 1969. In a speech in 1992, six years after his retirement from the court, Burger declared that “the Second Amendment doesn’t guarantee the right to have firearms at all.” In his view, the purpose of the Second Amendment was only “to ensure that the ‘state armies’ — ‘the militia’ — would be maintained for the defense of the state.”
    A year before, Burger went even further. On “MacNeil/Lehrer NewsHour,” Burger said the Second Amendment “has been the subject of one of the greatest pieces of fraud — I repeat the word ‘fraud’ — on the American public by special interest groups that I have ever seen in my lifetime.” Burger wasn’t in the habit of taking stands on controversial constitutional questions on national television. In using the word “fraud,” Burger meant to describe what he saw as a clear consensus about the meaning of the Constitution.
    Ambiguous Text
    To understand what Burger was thinking, consider the words of the Second Amendment: “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.” Fair- minded readers have to acknowledge that the text is ambiguous. Sure, it could fairly be read to support an individual right to have guns. But in light of the preamble, with its reference to a well-regulated militia, it could also be read not to confer an individual right, but to protect federalism, by ensuring that the new national government wouldn’t interfere with citizen militias at the state level.
    A lot of historians believe, with Chief Justice Burger, that some version of the latter interpretation is the right one. Until remarkably recently, almost all federal judges have agreed. It is striking that before its 2008 decision in District of Columbia v. Heller, the Supreme Court had never held that the Second Amendment protects an individual right to have guns.

    Activist judges hard at work….

    • 292 desertflower
      December 22, 2012 at 5:07 pm

      Comment from this story….

      Does anyone else find it ironic that the NRA just essentially anounced it wanted a police state, limit privacy, and to expand government? NRA just handed the government carte blanche to expand government and create a police state!Gun toting, government conspiracy, small government tin fil hat folks have got to be freaking out! Police in every school. Well you’ll need them in every library next, what about Starbucks, movie theaters, McDonalds after all none of these places have armed guards and are just advertising their soft target. So police and armed guards protecting you and watching your every move. But hey your safer right? Never mind you’ve just created a police state and are you any safer? Probably no safer than the kids at Columbine who died despite two armed police officers on duty on school grounds who shot at and missed the killers before the shooting spree and it only stopped when they killed each other. Probably as safe as the 178 armed police officers who dies in the line of duty last year. More guns more safty right? WHo pays for all this new police state? That’s right the Tax PayerTrack the mentally ill ok, but thats another expansion of government and gets into privacy and who’s going ot pay for all that? Tax payer that’s right. God forbid we track guns and gun owners…NRA says track the mentally ill.Irony. The very people who believe in government mind control conspiracies create the expansion of government and the police state.

  66. 295 JER
    December 22, 2012 at 5:06 pm

    • 296 dotster3
      December 22, 2012 at 6:00 pm

      He so needs this escape, this down time, and I hope he enjoys every single minute that he’s out there in the beautiful weather. And I know he will.

  67. December 22, 2012 at 5:14 pm

    I´m not too familiar with which polling place has what affiliation but I noticed that gallup has had major shifts recently with PBO´s approval rating currently being at 58% (which would be the highest there since may 2009) and only 36 % disapproving. Thoughts on how to sort in gallup anyone?

    • 298 Jeff
      December 22, 2012 at 6:21 pm

      People are waking up and smelling the coffee about the GOP. One in Michigan for example peoples opinions about the republicans have hit an all time low after that debacle with trying to destroy unions. It also has spread to other states as they continue to go against the will of the people and cater to outside fringe groups.

    • December 22, 2012 at 6:23 pm

      If we go over the fiscal cliff, and the President takes a hit, they can say- see?
      Inflated numbers for Gallup, only means an agenda.

      • 300 99ts
        December 22, 2012 at 7:32 pm

        Very astute jovie – I believe no figures from gallup after their election disaster – Mitt Romney up 5 points – they are a joke

  68. 304 susanne
    December 22, 2012 at 6:30 pm

    aloha chips and tods!
    am i a total obama-nut that i woke up this morning thinking, ahhhhh, they’re here! ? i love knowing our hard-working first family are here in hawaii, feeling the soft air on their skin, letting the gentle sway of the palms soothe their irritations away. as i’m on a different island, there is no ‘coconut wireless’ info on the family’s activities. but i just know they’re having fun, relaxing, and letting family life fill their hearts. the president looked so happy and relaxed in the photos from last night, when they deplaned at pearl harbor! beautiful!

    • 305 dotster3
      December 22, 2012 at 6:41 pm

      susanne, are you as big a fan of shaved ice as our president? Was it a big part of your childhood? Or did you not grow up there? It’s always been interesting to me that the shaved ice stop is a “must-do” on all his Hawaiian visits. Shaved ice is my “sno-cone”, right?

      • 306 susanne
        December 22, 2012 at 6:59 pm

        dotster, i spent 3 years of my childhood in hawaii. my dad was in the marine corps, stationed at camp smith, near pearl harbor. during that time i did indeed get the taste for shaved ice!! it’s very like a snow cone, but the ice is not crushed into chunks, it’s shaved into slivers, which are super-cold, and which absorb and sharpen the flavors of the syrup. also, many shave ice purveyors create their own syrups, from backyard fruits, so the taste is very tropical and fruity. many people like to have ice cream and shave ice in the same cone, but i’m not into that–i like them both, but at different times.

        • 307 dotster3
          December 22, 2012 at 7:21 pm

          Thanks for helping to solve the shaved ice mystery. 🙂 I think I would choose the tropical and fruity concoctions from the backyard fruit purveyors.

  69. 308 dotster3
    December 22, 2012 at 6:30 pm

    I see Sam Kass is in PBO’s golf group today. Now that’s how I would like to go on vacay—–with the WH chef in tow. 🙂


    • 309 theo67
      December 22, 2012 at 7:28 pm

      It’s lovely that those people who have been loyal to them, even if their relationships started as working relationships, get to join in the fun of the Hawaii vacations and hang out with them as friends. I’m glad that they have people they trust and enjoy around them.

      • 310 susanne
        December 22, 2012 at 7:49 pm

        me too. i was looking for ‘the grey fox’ in the arrival photos but didn’t see him. of course, the pix were pretty skimpy. but i’m hoping these loyal, hardworking folks who guard the president with their lives can have a vacation now too.

  70. December 22, 2012 at 6:33 pm

    I want to call the Congress OUT on their use of the word ~entitlement~. I don’t know of any group of individuals
    who have entitlements that compare with the members of Congress. And they contributed NOT ONE PENNY
    to those funds/benefits they will receive for the rest of their lives. AND we, the people, pay that bill while did not even
    agree on the arrangement. Not to mention that our Congress is made up of people, waaay too many of them, who are
    covering their own butts, not at all concerned about the welfare of the citizens, people who gain considerable side perks through their association as members of that governing body. If they did a good job, that would be one thing; but they don’t. And their
    incompetence has serious consequences on the quality of peoples’ lives. Regular citizens, on the other hand, turned their monies into the
    social security system during their entire working lives. And then the monies are called ENTITLEMENTS.
    Am I missing something here??? I’m not kidding: How do we get Congress to STFU with their slimy arguments
    about cutting entitlements. We are CRAZY to let this continue. [I realize I’m preaching to the choir . . . . . xoxox]

    • 312 99ts
      December 22, 2012 at 7:58 pm

      Amazing – isn’t it Sara – how they cling to those government jobs while screaming about how bad is government. The first thing that should go with the fiscal cliff is the congress salaries and entitlement – be good to let them know how those dependent on food stamps have to live. Sigh – but they will continue to take their entitlements while screaming that no-one else should expect to get their SS payments returned as a pension.

  71. 313 dotster3
    December 22, 2012 at 6:58 pm

    People from all over the world have been so affected by the tragedy in Ct. —–$2.6 million has been donated to an official memorial fund managed by United Way plus 100’s of thousands from fundraisers to pay for funerals, memorials and possibly a new school. So many toys have been donated—-I read that one Va. donor had Toys R Us deliver $20,000 in toys—-that every child in Newtown was invited to an event to choose from hundreds of new toys—-and they have asked people to stop sending toys, to donate to a charity in the victims’ names instead. So many people wanted to do something— to ease their own pain about this horror.


    • 314 theo67
      December 22, 2012 at 7:25 pm

      It brought the best out of many people, but it’s sad that it takes something like this.

    • December 22, 2012 at 7:42 pm

      That is just amazing. We must not let these 26 children and teachers down. We must not let their deaths be forgotten until the next horrible mass murder of innocents. We must make sure these weapons and multiple clip bullets are banned permanately and that the bullets are only sold to the military or never manufactured again to make the weapons absolete. We should insist that there be a buy back of those who have these mass murder weapons.

  72. 316 Bill R.
    December 22, 2012 at 7:16 pm

    Friends, it is at this time of year during Christmas and Hanukah and the dark winter Solstice time that people draw near, celebrate the Light within and without us, and the values of community are held high. It is also here in this forum that the values of community are also held dear. For that I thank you all for sharing the Light and wish you all a Merry Christmas and a happy and blessed new year. And a speedy and healing recovery to LL!

  73. 318 dotster3
    December 22, 2012 at 7:18 pm

  74. December 22, 2012 at 7:35 pm

    OK! This is meant only in the interest of FUN and NO offense to anyone! The POB Santa cartoon at the top of this page does NOT look like the President but really looks like some famous person smiling! WHO?! I immediately though Kirk Douglas (I KNOW are you INSANE??) It’s close but thats not it. WHO??????


  75. 323 proudmemberofglobalzero
    December 22, 2012 at 7:36 pm

    Okay…Chuck Hagel : This is my post on CNN about this nomination. Please feel free to hit me if you need to:

    Can you say, “Nuclear Proliferation?” I can, and that is the most important thing this country and the world for that matter should be concerned about. Weather you are a Bush supporter or an Obama supporter please, really take a look at this possible nomination. I am Jewish with a gay son, niece, and Uncle. I support this nomination to the max.

  76. 324 mtmarilyn
    December 22, 2012 at 7:56 pm

    Good evening Chips and TOD family. I do hope the First Family is getting well deserved rest and relaxation in beautiful Hawaii!!!! We are going to have a White Christmas. I am getting a very special Christmas gift. Since my husband has had 2 hip replacement surgeries this past year. The last one was in Oct. He asked me what I wanted and I said for the 2 of us to go someplace fun. So in January we are going to spend a week in the wine country around Santa Rosa, CA. I am so excited. We are going to hit as many wineries as we can. This is my idea of a great vacation. This will be the best Christmas present ever!!!!

    I pray all of TODville will have a very special time. I do know that I will be around. Our sons will be spending time with their in laws so we are on our own. I am not bummed, I am looking forward to some nice quiet time. We may go to a movie in the afternoon.

    We will deal with the end of the world later. I have complete faith that our President will be able to do what needs to be done.

    Have a great evening everyone.

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