Susan Rice

Steve Benen: It’s always a shame when a smear campaign works. Today, Susan Rice withdrew her name from consideration for Secretary of State, and President Obama issued a statement acknowledging that he’s accepted her decision.

    “For two decades, Susan has proven to be an extraordinarily capable, patriotic, and passionate public servant. As my Ambassador to the United Nations, she plays an indispensable role in advancing America’s interests. Already, she has secured international support for sanctions against Iran and North Korea, worked to protect the people of Libya, helped achieve an independent South Sudan, stood up for Israel’s security and legitimacy, and served as an advocate for UN reform and the human rights of all people.

    “I am grateful that Susan will continue to serve as our Ambassador at the United Nations and a key member of my cabinet and national security team, carrying her work forward on all of these and other issues. I have every confidence that Susan has limitless capability to serve our country now and in the years to come, and know that I will continue to rely on her as an advisor and friend. While I deeply regret the unfair and misleading attacks on Susan Rice in recent weeks, her decision demonstrates the strength of her character, and an admirable commitment to rise above the politics of the moment to put our national interests first. The American people can be proud to have a public servant of her caliber and character representing our country.”

…. Her GOP detractors treated Rice as a partisan pawn to be eliminated, in the hopes of embarrassing the White House. The real embarrassment is the baseless smear campaign that’s unfolded over the last month — and the fact that it ultimately worked as planned.

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Oh boy, this one hurts. No words.

479 Responses to “Susan Rice”

  1. 4 carolmaewy
    December 13, 2012 at 4:39 pm


  2. 6 57andfemale
    December 13, 2012 at 4:39 pm

    this makes me ill.

  3. 7 FoxfireTX
    December 13, 2012 at 4:40 pm

    Not that it matters, but I am absolutely wild about Susan Rice’s withdrawal. I have wanted to see her in this position for the last year. I prefer her positions to John Kerry’s and am fearful of losing his Senate seat if he is appointed. It is an absolute disgrace that assholes like McCain, Graham and Ayotte disrupted this before she was even nominated. And I truly hope that PBO nominates SOMEONE/ANYONE other than Kerry because he is the one these idiots want to have a run at his seat. If it’s Kerry, it will truly be victory for their vile tactics. I have been trying to stay away from politics somewhat during the holidays but this has totally sent me over the top. I am completely, utterly disgusted with this entire party, and hope they pay a huge price for this.

    • 9 kmackt
      December 13, 2012 at 4:54 pm

      Same here. I called the offices of Mccain and Ayotte and let them both know how I feel. I’ve been trying to contact Graham and let him know my thoughts. I don’t think that Mccain and Ayotte’s offices were too pleased after I called, but since I wasn’t please before I called, I figure that we’re even.

    • 12 jackiegrumbacher
      December 13, 2012 at 4:59 pm

      I totally agree with you, Foxfire. McBitter and his gang of snakes have proved themselves to be vile, corrupt and utterly unpatriotic. They simply do not care what would be best for the country and I wish them the maximum political harm possible for their disgusting smear campaign. My only consolation is that PBO knows how to shape his own cabinet and will ultimately name someone who is highly qualified and utterly loyal. He’s well aware of the impact of a Massachusetts senate seat vacancy and will move all the chess pieces he needs to accomplish his goal without jeopardizing the senate. He is infinitely smarter and far more strategic than McBitter and will do what needs to be done for the good of the country and his administration. I hope Susan Rice has a long and glorious career and thrives and prospers long after McBitter is found grinding his gums in a nursing home for the mentally incapacitated.

    • December 13, 2012 at 5:07 pm

      Foxfire – I’m 1000% with you on this sentiment, and I’m sure the President, and Senator Kerry, are both well aware that proposing Kerry would be seen by the GOP as another “victory” for their warped and self-serving party, as they try to get one of their own into his Senate seat. I’m trusting that PBO will find someone absolutely perfect that no one could have anticipated. He’s no dummy, our Prez! It’s a shame, but my guess is that, like Rice herself, Kerry is aware of the big picture here, and has the character to do the right thing, even if it costs him a position in which I’m sure he would do us all proud. The man’s been a soldier, after all, as well as a statesman.


    • 14 yardarm756
      December 13, 2012 at 5:38 pm

      You have here a letter from a Class Act. It’s a damn shame that McCain was ever rescued from that prison. There has been nothing but trouble and turbulence in his wake. His ship poisons the waters in which it sits.

      • 15 daiseymay1
        December 13, 2012 at 8:41 pm

        Have to say that I agree with you. Not really done much for his country as a member of congress. More trouble than he’s worth.

    • 16 Judith Fardig
      December 13, 2012 at 7:01 pm

      I couldn’t agree more!!!

  4. December 13, 2012 at 4:41 pm

    It is official. I can never see Republicans as anything but enemies. I am not big enough to ever forget the damage these people have done.

    • 18 ewok2
      December 13, 2012 at 4:50 pm

      It takes two to tango. This is not only the Republicans to blame, they always act like this, they run to the cameras and over act and have faux outrage at anything that will make the President look bad. Where were the Democrats to her defense running to the cameras, only President Obama said that anyone go after Mrs. Rice they have to go thru him. He was the only Democrat defending her publicly. Even Hillary did not come to her defense convincingly. We still have some Dems that are not going to go along with the President and they too are very powerful in washington as legislators.

      • 19 veryslowwriter
        December 13, 2012 at 5:03 pm

        The Rethuglicans pissed me off but she got no defense from the Democrats either. Some “supporters” of the President still managed to set their own hair on fire during the rout of Ambassador Rice.

      • 20 Lovepolitics2008
        December 13, 2012 at 5:43 pm

        I think you summed it up perfectly. I suppose that many democrats support John Kerry for the post. Hillary’s lukewarm statement was pretty telling. More than the smear campaign of the republicans, it’s the lack of strong support within the democratic caucus that killed her candidacy.

        Although I respect John Kerry, he seems to me too deferential to the establishment and the “permagovernment”. Susan Rice would have been a stronger ally of President Obama’s in his more “bold” decisions. (For example, If I’m not mistaken, Kerry advocated for a no fly zone in Lybia; it was well known that a no fly zone was just a way for the West to pretend to do something and that it wouldn’t have prevented a massacre in Benghazi. I don’t remember Hillary’s position, but in the past few years she has regularly been more conservative than the president in her positions.

        I think that in terms of foreigm policy, President Obama is more ready to take bold and courageous decisions than the whole Beltway is. I’m pretty sure that there is a certain level of concerted effort ( Senate, Pentagon, State department) to limit the scope of the changes President Obama wants to make.

    • 22 jackiegrumbacher
      December 13, 2012 at 5:04 pm

      TJ, the best (and healthiest) revenge is to beat them silly in the next election. Make sure every last one of the traitorous bitter enders is driven from office. Right now they are vile carcasses filling chairs in the House and Senate who do nothing but undermine our republic. It’s in our power to get rid of them, so let’ get moving and make sure we register voters, keep them informed and get them primed to vote in EVERY election.

  5. 23 Cheryllou
    December 13, 2012 at 4:46 pm

    I am sick and tired of people like McCain and Graham. They are the bullies you see on the playground.

    • 24 Eleroy
      December 13, 2012 at 5:23 pm

      McCain and Lindsey Graham could never have succeeded if their witchhunt of Susan Rice was not actively supported and advanced by the Clintons, John Kerry who desperately wants the job, Diane Feinstein to name a few “Democrats”!!!

  6. 26 capricornrising
    December 13, 2012 at 4:46 pm

    “…this one hurts. no words.”

  7. 28 FoxfireTX
    December 13, 2012 at 4:48 pm

    My comment on John McCain’s FB wall:

    The withrdrawal of Amb Rice’s consideration from SoS is a sad day for America. You are a disgrace to the office you purport to serve.

  8. 33 FiredUpInCA
    December 13, 2012 at 4:55 pm

    Interesting perspective in a diary at the Orange:

    “The timing of the leak that Chuck Hagel will be SecDef was no accident—given it was followed within moments that Susan Rice was withdrawing herself from consideration for Secretary of State. It was, I suspect, a shot at John McCain (and his compatriot Lindsey Graham) that they may have won a battle, but they have lost the war. Nobody can honestly believe that John McCain is happy about Chuck Hagel being Secretary of Defense.

    Chuck Hagel rather famously took down McCain during the primaries in 2007, condemning him for his irrational talk about Iran. Hagel has also shown, on more than one occasion, that he found the warmongering of McCain/Lieberman/Graham insane. McCain is renowned for holding a grudge…”

  9. 37 Obamaperson
    December 13, 2012 at 4:58 pm

    I like Susan Rice, and feel she will continue to be of enormous help to the President. I feel that the blast from the losers on the right will continue, and could impact other significant areas of government if we are not watchful. The President will continue to rely on Susan Rice, and McCain is a sore loser and Graham would do anything, anything at all, to appeal to the lowest of the low of his constituents so that he can be re-elected to do more harm. They both looked like asses. They were asses.

  10. December 13, 2012 at 4:59 pm

    I am supremely pissed that Amb. Susan Rice felt compel to withdraw her name from consideration of SoS. I really hate that the smear campaign advanced by that senile of fool John McCain, lying Lensey Graham, Kelly Ayotte, Susan Collins, Andrea Mithcell, Chuck Todd, David Gregory, and others succeeded. We most not forget this, I know I want.

  11. 40 Vicki Green
    December 13, 2012 at 4:59 pm

    Susan Rice’s withdrawal of her name is really sad. Battles, wars, political games aside, Amb. Rice is qualified to be SOS and by all reports eager for the position. Sad, sad, sad.

  12. 41 Claire
    December 13, 2012 at 4:59 pm

    We must never forget this… the repubs are the worst people and can never be trusted for anything. I am a big Susan Rice fan. She would have been an excellent Sec. of State.

  13. 42 debz
    December 13, 2012 at 5:00 pm

    This makes me so angry. That a group of idiotic repugs could smear this woman and get away with it is disgraceful. I had always hoped she would become SOS and now that will never happen. What really bothers me is that since it was only 5 R senators who were attacking her, that must mean there is no support for her in the senate democratic caucus. If dems supported her, that would mean she would get through the process. I do hope she stays on as UN Ambassador at least, I would hate to see her leave the administration.

  14. December 13, 2012 at 5:00 pm

  15. December 13, 2012 at 5:01 pm

    McCain, Graham and Ayotte has driven a wedge between The left and John Kerry.
    John Kerry has been a good friend of the Presidents.
    I see that The new three Amigos has punked some of you into hating on Kerry.
    That’s to bad!

    • 45 veryslowwriter
      December 13, 2012 at 7:02 pm

      Jovie, please. There are plenty of reasons NOT to be enamored of Kerry. (I happen to admire him a lot. He’s behaved like a gentleman — much, much better than the typical losing candidate.) It doesn’t mean that anyone has been “punked.” Differences of opinion don’t have to be war. The only thing EVERYONE here has in common is love and support for the President. I’d love to see Kerry in the cabinet — even at the risk of losing the Senate seat from Massachusetts. But what I really want is for the President to be able to appoint the people HE wants. I trust his judgement.

  16. 47 cman
    December 13, 2012 at 5:02 pm

    I am not pleased.

  17. 48 Bill
    December 13, 2012 at 5:02 pm

    Tweety is gushing with praise over Kerry.

    • 49 FoxfireTX
      December 13, 2012 at 5:07 pm

      Well, f–him too!!!! I think I am about as angry as I have EVER been over this. This woman is eminently qualified for the position, she works extremely well with PBO and the fact remains the next four years are going to be extremely challenging on the foreign policy front with NK and Iran, and the entire Middle East. I was so thrilled with the way she pulled the coalition together on Libya. There just are not enough words to express my outrage.

    • 51 Eleroy
      December 13, 2012 at 5:11 pm

      He and Jon Alter have made no bones about wanting a “white guy” back as SoS!!!

      Jon Alter even let slip today that there had been 3 women in a row as SoS, and that it was about time for a man!!!

      Chris Matthews’ take on Kerry being “noble” and all that nonsense was a dog whistle and went straight to the heart of this story!!! They did not want the black woman!!!

      Now they are trying to help absolve the Clintons from something that has their finger prints all over!!! Andrea Mitchell and Chuck Todd are now the biggest Clinton spokespeople and apologists!!!

      This will not be forgotten!!!

    • 54 Vicki Green
      December 13, 2012 at 6:05 pm

      Tweety has gone full corporate tonight. He just advocated Mike Bloomberg for Secty of the treasury as well as John Kerry.
      Not to mention blathering on about Hillary and Chris Christie in 2016. That is right wing all the way—–trying to believe that the President we have right now is less important than the one we will have in 4+ years. FU Tweety.
      ( His guests were Chuck Todd Andrea Mitchell and Cris Cilizza. )

    • 57 carolmaewy
      December 13, 2012 at 11:35 pm

      Who is tweety?

      • December 14, 2012 at 12:23 am

        Silly Chris Matthews. Although, your question is ironically accurate – he’s a nobody, in the grand scheme of things. History won’t mention him other than as a member of the clacking fools who sniped at the President’s feet.

  18. 59 utaustinliberal
    December 13, 2012 at 5:03 pm

    This is exactly the kind of crap I wrote about earlier. How is Amb. Rice withdrawing her name Pres. Obama’s fault? I’ve held my tongue but BWD has become the classic example of an emoprog. If you’ve been on Twitter these past few weeks as fiscal cliff negotiations have taken place, you have seen how BWD who calls herself a staunch supporter of Pres. Obama has basically been threatening him on Twitter. Calling him weak, berating him for giving in to terrorists, rudely telling him to act like he won an election, rudely telling him to grow up and stop compromising. It’s been on and on and on and a lot of people who are on this blog including myself are very disappointed. She is willing to hand over her trust to people like Ed Schultz who told Democrats not to vote in 2010, who lied about Pres. Obama raising the Medicare eligibility age than a President who has been giving his blood, sweat, and tears since January 20, 2009.

    If you can’t grow a spine after everything we’ve faced since 2009, that says a lot about you than Pres. Obama.

    • 60 debz
      December 13, 2012 at 5:07 pm

      Excellent comment, UT, I agree completely. I have noticed BWD’s emoprog tweets too.

      • 61 Vicki Green
        December 13, 2012 at 6:09 pm

        I agree with the concept of supporting PBO without the need to instruct him as to what he should do.
        I love PBO. I want him to have the people around him he chooses.
        I trust him to make the very best deal for this country he can.

    • December 13, 2012 at 5:17 pm

      UT, I haven’t seen the back and forth, so I’m in no position to comment. I will say, my initial reaction to the news about Susan Rice was rage with those who smeared her and frustration that she wasn’t persuaded to stay in there with the complete support of the administration, including PBO. The GOP and their media buddies have won (again) on this one, it’s depressing, you must understand the disappointment and passions aroused by this. That’s not to take the blame away from where it belongs, and aim it at PBO, it’s just a feeling that more fight was needed on this one to support her.

      • December 13, 2012 at 5:48 pm

        Why do you assume he didn’t fight for her to reconsider? He was one of the only Dems who publicly supported her.

      • 64 utaustinliberal
        December 13, 2012 at 5:58 pm

        Chips, Pres. Obama has fought for Amb. Rice since day one. The way he publicly defended her said a lot. All reports are saying that he did not browbeat her into withdrawing her name, he stood by her and then reluctantly accepted her withdrawal. There is no evidence that Pres. Obama did not support Amb. Rice or fight vigorously for her and on her behalf.

        • December 13, 2012 at 6:42 pm

          UT, I never suggested that PBO didn’t support Susan Rice, he made it very clear publicly that he did. None of us knows for sure what went on here, there’s probably a whole lot more to it, or it simply could be that she’d had enough of the abuse and knew the bastards would drag it out forever. I just think the high emotions over this are understandable in light of the smear campaign against her, and there’s obvious frustration that McCain, etc have won this particular battle. Of course I trust PBO and his strategy on this, but I’m just being honest, I wanted him to dig his heels in until Susan Rice was Sec of State. That probably wasn’t possible in the end, probably for reasons we’re not even aware of, but it’s just a human, gut reaction to what she endured.

      • 66 hopefruit2
        December 13, 2012 at 5:59 pm

        Chips I understand your disappointment, but something I’ve noticed: PBO is very calculating despite the “nice man” persona that he carries – to the point where when he usually appears weakest is when his opponents should be most afraid. Don’t get me wrong, PBO is a nice man, but he’s nobody’s fool. This withdrawal by Rice is not a “timid” reaction to McCain/Graham. It’s a proactive move that may have been orchestrated by PBO, abetted by Rice, or vice versa.

        On another note: I think UT’s comment is referring to a pattern that BWD has shown over the past 2-3 weeks and not just this one incident with Rice. It’s almost like an unbearable intolerance of the slightest deviation from what (she thinks) is the best course of action. When someone readily trust Ezra Klein’s academic musings over PBO’s astute political skills, he/she will raise some eyebrows, and rightly so. Many of us have observed this pattern and it’s extremely disconcerting – to put it mildly.

      • 67 theo67
        December 13, 2012 at 6:26 pm

        She hadn’t even been nominated yet – so I’m not sure there was any non-persuasion. For all we know, the President has a whole different set of names on his shortlist – and given his obvious love for Susan Rice, I think he did everything he could to convince her to stick it out. But, who in their right mind would subject themselves to these smears? Why would someone risk their reputation and their career? I don’t blame Susan Rice for withdrawing from something she so clearly wanted and worked a whole career to attain. And I certainly don’t blame the President, (who is currently doing fierce battle for the middle class), for accepting her resignation – which must have come after a whole lot of talk and soul searching.

        But, I completely agree with the rants of UT and others. When so-called “staunch supporters” who have watched this President for over 6 years resort to insults and threats because of rumours they’ve heard via the likes of Ed Schultz, Tweety and Ezra Klein, it makes me furious. This President has earned the respect he is being denied. And not once have I seen any of the emoprogs lambasting the GOP – namely, McCain, Ayotte and Lindsey Graham – for their starring roles in this mess. These same voices haven’t said a word about Hillary’s lackluster defense of Susan Rice – a woman she’s worked with for four hard years on very difficult topics. It is not the President’s fault that this happened. Especially since he hadn’t even made a decision yet.

        We seem to go through this same act every single time something happens that disappoints the left wing – whether it’s based in truth or not. And that’s just not fair. We should know this President by now. And it was very clearly difficult for him to accept that withdrawal letter.

        • 68 Rita
          December 13, 2012 at 6:40 pm

          Here’s my two cents. I do think that BWD is a very passionate supporter. But unfortunately, doesn’t have the strength of conviction to carry her through on a rainy day. That happens to people who are passionate, sometimes beyond reason. I have noticed her pattern as well, but have also noticed that left to her wiles, she will come around. So let’s see how this plays out.

          In the meantime:

          • 69 theo67
            December 13, 2012 at 6:42 pm

            You are a voice of reason, Rita. I just wish that these bouts of faithlessless didn’t leave so much destruction in their wake. After so many years, it indicates a permanent disposition.

            • 70 Rita
              December 13, 2012 at 6:48 pm

              I agree theo. But I still think that there’s a difference in BWD’s rantings and those of other emprogs. I sincerely believe that she will still support PBO, unlike other emprogs who show their disdain by refraining from the actual work needed to get a democracy working, from turning out to vote etc. Those were the people who abandoned ship when there were most needed. They were the people who caused the 2010 debacle and I will always be angry at them over that. :-/

              • 71 theo67
                December 13, 2012 at 7:06 pm

                You’re right about this.

              • December 13, 2012 at 8:13 pm

                Thanks for that Rita, I know lots of you are pissed off with BWD for some of her tweets recently, but to call her an ’emoprog’ is ridiculous – she is nothing of the kind. She despises emoprogs, and always has – and most of them despise her because she has been a vocal supporter of PBO from day one (from DK to her own blog to Twitter).

                Yes, she’s freaked out with worry about some issues at the moment, that’s very obvious from her tweets, and is way too nervous about them to just sit back and trust things will work out. That’s pissed off lots of people, who think she should have faith that things will be okay. But we all know kites are flown through the media during negotiations like this to test reaction, and it’s impossible for us to know what is accurate. I tend to be a wait-and-see and hope-for-the-best creature, but BWD is lashing out at some of these ‘kites’ now, and I don’t really see why that’s a bad thing for any PBO supporter to do. If the administration wants to test reaction, then why not let them hear your voice before any deals are done? It’ll be too late after.

                For what it’s worth – and I’ll tell BWD the same when I email her soon – I don’t agree with her on some of this stuff, or the tone of some of her tweets, which, to me too, have been disrespectful towards PBO, even though I genuinely don’t believe she means them to be. But she speaks from the heart and from a position of support, unlike the emoprogs who have opposed PBO from the first day they set eyes on him.

                Some of the attacks on her on Twitter today were depressing, to the point where she was being accused of being racist. This is insane. Not least because the cause of her upset was the racist smear campaign against Susan Rice and her rage over McCain and Co ‘winning’ on this. Actually, what went on on Twitter today looked to me like a serious case of bullying, by adults. I know, BWD can give as good as she gets – and then some – but the ganging up on her was plain ugly. And the racism smear pathetic.

                She’s a good friend, and always will be, so it’s really sad to see this stuff.

                • 73 RinaX
                  December 13, 2012 at 9:11 pm

                  Bullshit. She is a textbook emoprog. And it wasn’t just the bile of Republicans that led to this, but the incessant attacks from the so-called left who have just been waiting for a reason to start their bullshit again. I have zero respect for her and for ahyone who still defends the shit she”s been pulling for going on two years now. I’ve had it.

                  • December 13, 2012 at 9:21 pm

                    “She is a textbook emoprog.”

                    As the Irish say, “bollocks.”

                    • December 13, 2012 at 9:24 pm

                      You can defend her all you want, give her another front page op-ed while she hides like she always does, whatever, but she is what she is, and as far as I’m concerned it isn’t very much at all.

                    • December 13, 2012 at 9:31 pm

                      “while she hides like she always does”

                      Are you fucking serious? Hides away? The woman who has been an endlessly visible internet presence since day one in support of PBO, and was likened to a “Nazi propagandist” because of her DK pro-PBO photo essays by the scum that is Glenn Greenwald and his Koch-puppet supporters? Walk a day in her shoes, pal.

                • 77 cluny
                  December 13, 2012 at 10:34 pm

                  Thank you for saying this Chips – I agree. No need to go all Stalinist on loyal supporters.

          • 78 jackiegrumbacher
            December 13, 2012 at 9:21 pm

            Terrific tweet, Rita. I RT”d it.

          • December 14, 2012 at 12:29 am

            Well, Rita, BWD’s shit is old. Yes, she does this EVERY TIME something major comes up. She has no faith or trust in PBO, because if she did, she wouldn’t flip out at the drop of a dime.

            And she acts like PBO is either her child or her boyfriend. Damn that. He’s the President of the United States. Respect him accordingly.

        • 80 Ahero62
          December 13, 2012 at 6:55 pm

          Why can’t BWD run for office?

      • December 14, 2012 at 12:24 am

        Chips, don’t let BWD infect you with her bullshit.

    • 83 FiredUpInCA
      December 13, 2012 at 5:19 pm

      This isn’t a Lani Guinier situation where President Clinton left her twisting in the wind prior to her consideration. This President gave a full-throated endorsement of Susan Rice, took it as a personal affront the she was being attacked and has said repeatedly that he has made no final decision on anyone to replace Secretary of State Clinton.

      This reminds me a little of the Elizabeth Warren battle.

      Not that long ago it was assumed that Elizabeth Warren–and no one else on any of the known planets–should have been head of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. Any other role, was a cop out, a capitulation.

      Fast forward to 2012, the same crowd–*cough* bobswern *cough*–now believes that nothing is better than Elizabeth Warren being in the Senate and serving on the banking committee.

      In Emoprog world potential nominees are strong and independent until they withdraw their names. Then they are hapless, cringing, pawns to the overlord President Obama, who is also somehow spineless and weak.

      • 84 cman
        December 13, 2012 at 6:15 pm

        Very good point.

      • 85 theo67
        December 13, 2012 at 6:28 pm

        Well said, FiredUp! Plus, the same crowd has never once admitted that the person who replaced Elizabeth Warren on the CFPB has done an outstanding job!

      • 86 betseyc
        December 13, 2012 at 7:41 pm

        The first thing I thought of was the Elizabeth Warren battle. The R’s fought her tooth and nail, abetted by Wall Street and other corporate interests. She withdrew from consideration. The emoprogs went ballistic that, supposedly, PBO was throwing her under the bus. Now Richard Cordray is kicking ass on the consumer bureau, and Elizabeth Warren is a senator newly appointed to the banking committee. Now, THAT is the long game defined.

    • December 13, 2012 at 5:39 pm

      BWD’s act is getting old. Nah, check that–it’s been old.

      • December 13, 2012 at 9:14 pm

        Amen. How many times does she have to pull this before she’s acknowledged for what she is, weak-willed and more than willing to spread as much damage as possible when she’s having one her tantrums, sure in the fact that SHE has all the answers and the President had better listen to her, or else. And I’m supposed to believe her when she eventually comes crawling back wanting to be on the winning side. She’s never been there when it’s been tough, but is happy to jump back on the bandwaggon when it seems safe to do so.

    • 89 Roberta in MN
      December 13, 2012 at 6:40 pm

      I had quite a chat with a few of them today on twitter, they just pissed me off so much. I was crying inside because Amb.Rice withdrew her name and still feeling sad about Sue. Today has not been a good day for the blogosphere(sp) This is the only way some Dems and Repubs are going to try and hurt our President. Not going to work. I think there is something else our Pres has up his sleave for these itdiots. It didn’t surprise me about BWD’s tweets. She is always the first to go pants on fire.

  19. 90 utaustinliberal
    December 13, 2012 at 5:05 pm

    The media is now reporting that Pres. Obama did not browbeat Amb. Rice into withdrawing her name for consideration but hey some so called liberals instead of placing the blame where it belongs, redirect it to Pres. Obama and Amb. Rice.

    • 91 yardarm756
      December 13, 2012 at 6:25 pm

    • 92 nathkatun7
      December 13, 2012 at 11:25 pm

      UT, here is my two cents. I trust and respect President Obama. I also trust and respect ambassador Susan Rice. Yes I very much would have liked to see Susan Rice nominated and confirmed as Secretary of State, and I am sad that she has decided to withdraw her name from consideration. I am sure this was a decision she reached after careful consideration of the interests of the United States as her letter to the President attests. I also think that on a personal level, she made a decision that was right for her and her family. In my book no job, not even being SoS, is so important that a person should allow idiots like these Senators to tarnish her good name. I also don’t think that the President , no matter how much he may have wanted Ambassador Rice to be the SoS , should totally disregard her wishes and desires not to be subjected to the Senate conformation circus, where her good name would be covered in mud.

      Because I trust and respect President Obama and ambassador Rice, I see no reason to question their character or their decisions. I also cannot understand or sympathize with any one who claims to be a supporter of the President but then turns around and questions his character because things did not turn out the way she/he wanted. As far as I am concerned, any one who calls the President weak, or repeatedly tells him what to do, no longer trusts and respects the President. And if this is the case then that person should drop all pretenses of being a strong supporter of the President. By the way, there is a big difference between disagreeing with the President’s decisions and questioning his character and integrity.

      • 93 edp4bho
        December 14, 2012 at 11:24 am

        A day later, nathkatun, but you always make so much sense. Totally agree. Onward with No Drama Obama, and like I said last night, he aint’t BWD’s (yes I call her out) boyfriend. BWD, please get over yourself. Governing is harder than the life we live every day.

  20. December 13, 2012 at 5:06 pm

    Trust Barack he has earned it!!

  21. 95 susanne
    December 13, 2012 at 5:08 pm

    one thing i know for sure in all this: we have no idea what’s really going on. if the president asked susan rice to serve as sos, would she have refused? no. is the president bowing to mclame and allowing him to dictate cabinet appointments? no. IS THE PRESIDENT THE SMARTEST GUY IN THE ROOM? HELL YES!!!

    i know we all wanted to see ms rice as sos, but obviously the president made a different decision. as someone posted above: FORWARD.

    • 96 jackiegrumbacher
      December 13, 2012 at 5:11 pm

      Agree, Susanne. We don’t know a quarter of what’s going on. When he’s ready the president will tell us his decision. In the meantime, trust him and know that at the right time and in the right place, he will make sure McBitter gets exactly what he deserves. Remember that Michelle told us PBO always takes the long view. He knows what he’s doing.

  22. 97 Bill R.
    December 13, 2012 at 5:10 pm

    I am old enough to remember that in Nixon’s first term his SOS was William Rogers. However, William Rogers was a figurehead on foreign policy matters. He took his marching orders on foreign policy matters from Henry Kissinger, the Nat. Sec. advisor to the President, who had the real power. Advisors to the President are appointed and not confirmed and unlike cabinet officers are part of the President’s inner circle.

    • 98 utaustinliberal
      December 13, 2012 at 5:16 pm

      Very astute observation and so true. If Tom Donilon moves to the CIA, I can certainly see Amb. Rice being appointed as National Security Advisor to Pres. Obama. She needs no confirmation from the senate, she’ll be in the inner circle, she’ll weld more power, her resume will be even more enhanced, she’ll play a crucial part in Iran, Syria, North Korea, etc.

      The GOP are celebrating too early.

      • 99 hopefruit2
        December 13, 2012 at 5:41 pm

        Correct – this is not the “win” for the GOP that some folks think it is. This reminds me of the “I-got-98%-of-what-I-wanted” declaration by John Boehner in 2011, along with the usual accompanying emoprog handwringing and MSM pundiotry.

        • December 13, 2012 at 9:53 pm

          Oh and don’t forget the emoprogs called the president weak, he sold us out, blah blah whine whine….until they lift their collective heads out of the sand and open their eyes to see that the president won and the gop lost. I am going to grieve the fact that Susan Rice will not be the SOS and had to go through hell and enjoy the egg that will be on the gop and emoprogs faces when the president promotes Ms Rice to an even better position.

      • 101 Dakota
        December 13, 2012 at 5:55 pm

        I’m with you UT. Although I was shocked and intially dismayed by Amb. Rice’s withdrawal, I have taken a moment of pause. I believe that this will turn out for more than the best for us. The GOP is going to get their asses handed to them, I have no doubt. The President will show, as he always has, that he is way ahead of all of them. He and his advisors have gone through every possible senario since those bastards crawled out of rat holes with these unwarranted attacks on Amb. Rice and are not in any way blindsided by this. I have complete faith.

    • 102 jackiegrumbacher
      December 13, 2012 at 5:16 pm

      Bill, I’m old enough to remember that as well. Glad you could fetch it from your memory bank. The foreign policy power in an administration lies with the one the president trusts and listens to and that’s not necessarily the SOS. We’ll see what PBO has in mind in the weeks ahead. I never underestimate him.

  23. 103 overseasgranny
    December 13, 2012 at 5:11 pm

    Susan Rice deserved to be Sec of State. You’re right, it hurts. I trust her, however, though her judgement and actions to make the right wing look stupid over this. Time will prove her goodness and intellect.

  24. 104 No Child Left Behind
    December 13, 2012 at 5:17 pm

    What I could do to McLoss/McNoShame is wordless…

  25. 105 diane
    December 13, 2012 at 5:18 pm

    Where is from?
    I hope she runs for the senate.

  26. 107 dotster3
    December 13, 2012 at 5:21 pm

    I would caution against people lamenting that President Obama “caved” to the Repubs’ pressure. That is so counter-productive and untrue. I see people who do not have President Obama’s best interests in mind trying to stir up this animosity——once again. Don’t fall for it. I think there were many other considerations involved. And I don’t think President Obama had even made a final decision on this appointment, so I don’t get how this can be an “embarrassment” to the WH. I think we need to take a few minutes and let this settle before everyone goes off the edge. And I don’t understand blaming John Kerry and holding this against him. He is not responsible for this decision. As is being reported, all those closest to Obama advised against the Rice appt. because of the huge ruckus and negative consequences it would have caused. And, as I noted earlier, there were said to be Dems who also had troubling concerns about her appt., Keystone pipeline conflict of interest likely being one of them.

  27. 108 donna dem 4 obama
    December 13, 2012 at 5:23 pm

    I hired President Obama to be The President Of The United States (with my unconditional vote on election day). No one knows what goes on behind close doors so either we trust this man’s judgement or we don’t. I have no intention of spending the next four years questioning his every move. His first administration has proven him to be an exemplary President. No, he is not perfect but I’ll defer to his judgement on policy moves because quite honestly he has earned that respect from me.

    Amb. Rice is a brilliant woman who would have made an excellent SOS and I am forever grateful for her service to our President and this Nation and hope that she continues in that capacity….so John McCain, Lindsey Graham and that Ayotte woman can kiss my you know what…..

    Moving on…..


  28. December 13, 2012 at 5:25 pm

    • 123 anniebella
      December 13, 2012 at 5:35 pm

      All I am going to say is to anyone talking about Obama cave over Rice, have cave any dam sense they claim to have.

    • 125 utaustinliberal
      December 13, 2012 at 5:35 pm

      Honestly. The BS is so bloody annoying. Pres. Obama has fought hard since day one and whenever we look behind the scenes, we see that the deals always work out in our favor but nooooooooooes…..the “Obama caved” crowd always wants attention.

      • 126 anniebella
        December 13, 2012 at 5:38 pm

        ut, you don’t know how fed up I am with that crowd.

      • 127 nathkatun7
        December 13, 2012 at 11:55 pm

        The word “cave” has lost its meaning. In the Summer of 2011 I was constantly bombarded by those who were 100% sure that Obama “caved in” to the Republicans in the debt ceiling negotiations. Even the Republicans were giddy and John Boehner announced to the world that he had gotten 98% of everything he wanted. Now look who is crying uncle! It’s certainly not President Obama. My bottom line is: we who say that we are strong supporters of the President have to learn to trust and respect him. While there may be some decisions he took the President has taken that I may disagree with, I have never wavered in my respect for him and in my trust in him.

    • December 13, 2012 at 5:48 pm

      I think in an odd way, if you want to add some solace to this whole ordeal, ask yourself this ? who is the most influential NS adviser to PBO: SOS Clinton, DOD Leon Panneta, DNI Clapper, DNSA McDonnagh, CIA Morrell, DHS Napalitano, JCOS Dempsy if you answered yes to any of those you would be wrong. The answer is John Brennan who has more power than he could ever imagine at CIA and Tom Donlin who was DNSA under Jim Jones now NSA, both need no conformation. Rice will be in named NSA adviser ( she was on NSC under Clinton) and Samantha Power will go to the UN. And Rice will be free to knock around McCain and company w/ no repercussions and in a much more powerful position than SOS. In an odd way I think how this unfolded is gonna turnout for the better. I think the justified anger is more about how she was treated and less focus has been on what role she plays in shaping PBO’s foreign policy in the future.

      • December 13, 2012 at 5:53 pm

      • December 13, 2012 at 8:05 pm

        I love this! This is how pragmatism works, people. Thank you, Lovely Plains…this is great stuff…and at the core of it is hope. I didn’t know any of this and got a great lesson from you.

        This is something the emoprogs never get. There are more wheels and cogs than they take into account…it’s all about ‘grow a spine’ and caving with them. They never look beyond to see other possibilities. As Smartypants so aptly put it yesterday, they don’t see the forest OR the trees.

        • December 13, 2012 at 9:04 pm

          Im glad I could shed a little bit of light and look at it from ” 30,000ft ” its just my humble assesment of where things stand. And now there is word that Tommy Vietor NSC spokesman has on the record floated NSA for Rice in an interview so things may be falling into place. Really the only ? left is if Donlin wants to become COS to PBO (he worked as a lobbyist for Fannie/Freddie prior to joining Obama maybe he is tired and wants to makes some cash and retire) otherwise its probally going to go to McDonnogh and Ben Rhodes will b/c DNSA under Rice

      • 132 jackiegrumbacher
        December 13, 2012 at 9:35 pm

        TLP, you’re exactly right. See Bill’s post above. The SOS is not necessarily the most powerful foreign policy person. Rice will get a very critical position as the closest foreign policy adviser to the president. And, as I said earlier, Rice, who is still a young woman, will be doing great things when McShame is sitting in a nursing home, forgotten by the world.

    • 133 jacquelineoboomer
      December 13, 2012 at 5:55 pm

      Fine plan of attack! 🙂

  29. 134 yardarm756
    December 13, 2012 at 5:26 pm

    iT’S KINDA INTENSE HERE. Time for a break.
    Ten Points to Ponder!

    Number 10
    Life is sexually transmitted.

    Number 9
    Good health is merely the slowest possible rate at which one can die.

    Number 8
    Men have two emotions: Hungry and Horny. If you see him without an erection, make him a sandwich.

    Number 7
    Give a person a fish and you feed them for a day. Teach a person to use the Internet and they won’t bother you for weeks, months, maybe years.

    Number 6
    Health nuts are going to feel stupid someday, lying in the hospitals, dying of nothing.

    Number 5
    All of us could take a lesson from the weather. It pays no attention to criticism.

    Number 4
    Why does a slight tax increase cost you $800.00, and a substantial tax cut saves you $30.00?

    Number 3
    In the 60’s, people took acid to make the world weird. Now the world is weird and people take Prozac to make it normal.

    Number 2
    Life is like a jar of Jalapeno peppers–what you do today, might burn your butt tomorrow.

    And The Number 1 Thought
    – – – as someone recently said to me:
    “Don’t worry about old age – it doesn’t last long.”

  30. 147 utaustinliberal
    December 13, 2012 at 5:26 pm

    This from Chris Matthews. I tuned in for the first time in a while and I immediately realize why I haven’t watched him in a looooooooooooong time.

    • 148 ewok2
      December 13, 2012 at 5:40 pm

      One of the things that was shocking and an eye opener to me in 2009, was that there were Democrats that were racists. I really was very surprised by that revelation.

      • December 13, 2012 at 5:53 pm

        ewok, you’re kidding right? lol

        • 150 ewok2
          December 13, 2012 at 6:05 pm

          No, I was very apolitical before the emergence of the audacious Barack Obama, the chosen one. Now I follow what is happening everyday via this and other blogs. My tv is completely off, since I also discovered in 2008 that CNN was not the “most trusted in news”, and my opinion was just as good if not better than theirs.

          • 151 theo67
            December 13, 2012 at 6:38 pm

            ewok – I used to trust CNN, too, until my sister set me straight. I thought I was so informed, until my eyes were opened and I realized how brainwashed and deluded I was. I have sympathy for those I left behind.

            • 152 ewok2
              December 13, 2012 at 6:48 pm

              Lol! The American Media or Newstainers are a blight on the population. We are being fed a steady diet of lies and misinformation daily, slowly poisoning our ability to think for ourselves and exercise the gift of critical thinking.

          • 154 vcprezofan2
            December 13, 2012 at 7:15 pm

            Ewok, I also discovered in 2008 that CNN was not the “most trusted name in news”, and my opinion was ….[infinitely] better than theirs. Yep! The discovery occurred after a summer of increasing anger and red-faced shouting at the TV, but once I realized they weren’t going to listen to me, I silenced them and haven’t regretted it since. 😆

        • 155 Eleroy
          December 13, 2012 at 6:06 pm


          Now Chris Matthews is advocating for President Obama to hire freaking Michael Bloomberg!!! Are you kidding me!!!

          Someone needs to tell Chris Matthews that President Obama was not elected to cater to the whims of anxious white men with chips on their shoulders suddenly feeling threatened by the presidency of a man who looks nothing like them and who dared to rise above his assigned place in Chris Matthews’ America!!!

          • 156 hopefruit2
            December 13, 2012 at 6:18 pm

            Matthews was advocating for PBO to put Willard as his treasury secretary. Tweety needs to go back in the 1950’s and STAY THERE.

          • 157 jackiegrumbacher
            December 13, 2012 at 9:38 pm

            Eleroy, these are Mathew’s unmedicated moments. PBO could care less what that idiot thinks. He never had the courage to run for any office, but he believes he’s qualified for all of them. Waste of time to listen to him.

      • 158 jacquelineoboomer
        December 13, 2012 at 5:58 pm

        ewok2 – I said the very same thing to my friends, as far back as ’07. It amazed me. Glad to hear that I wasn’t alone. I felt not only surprised with the lateness of my discovery, but incredibly stupid.

  31. 159 utaustinliberal
    December 13, 2012 at 5:29 pm

    If you are on Twitter, they’ve just enacted new changes in the last 15 minutes. If you click on someone’s name or twitter handle, the pop-up is larger and you can now see their header. Whooooooot! 😀

  32. December 13, 2012 at 5:34 pm

  33. December 13, 2012 at 5:41 pm

    The president will take his fiscal cliff case to local TV news on Thursday. The White House said he will participate in a round of interviews with local television stations at the White House. The stations getting one-on-ones in the Diplomatic Room are WPVI, Philadelphia, Penn.; WLTV Univision 23, Miami, Fla.; WCCO, Minneapolis, Minn.; and KCRA, Sacramento, Calif.

    What about all these interviews.

    • December 13, 2012 at 7:57 pm

      I think it’s good thing to go to local news and circumvent the national media. I think the local people will pay more attention and report more fairly. I could be wrong; I often am.

  34. 168 Anna
    December 13, 2012 at 5:42 pm

    Susan Rice, McCain, Graham, Ayotte
    The adult
    The intelligent one
    The dedicated public servant
    The non-partisan one
    The one that actually accomplishes something, does their job
    SUSAN RICE , I wlll admit don’t know all I should about Susan Rice but I don’t know any outstanding negatives, that says a lot. How dare the other three deny anybody from a fair vetting, they have just lowered the opinon of Republicans even more. We who voted and elected PBO are not going to go away, ignore what they are continously doing, we are going to come at them even stronger. Republicans beware of us the majority and most of all beware of PBO. Never, never underestimate him.

  35. 169 dotster3
    December 13, 2012 at 5:49 pm

    There’s this—??? #who knows. Rice to Natl Security, Kerry to Sec. of St., Patrick to Senate—–win win win.

    • 170 hopefruit2
      December 13, 2012 at 5:51 pm

      Now who will run for Gov? Maddow? 🙂 🙂

    • December 13, 2012 at 6:00 pm

      Remember he had a private dinner w/ PBO after the electionhttp://www.wbur.org/2012/11/29/governor-patrick and some assumed it was to replace AG Holder, I think Patrick or Rep Markey could easily beat Brown.

    • 175 Eleroy
      December 13, 2012 at 6:10 pm

      Is this supposed to distract from the fact that the Clintons in collaboration with their friends on the right like McCain and the media have once again peed all over President Obama’s agenda!!!

      This won’t end well for so many of these players, you watch!!! Karma is a bitch!!!

    • 178 hgerhard
      December 13, 2012 at 6:37 pm

      Deval Patrick will not run for Senator – he has kept his word to serve his term as Governor even when rumors were flying that he was about to take a position with the Obama administration. He has stated that he will serve his second term and I trust he will. But how about Ed Markey?

    • December 13, 2012 at 7:36 pm

      That is what I have been thinking too – Deval Patrick as Senator would rock! What we may all be missing is that Susan Rice’s name was floated by PBO for a reason – she was never actually nominated. Politics is not a game for the faint-hearted but PBO is the one politician that I trust and believe that he has a Plan for his cabinet nominations. What I find abhorrent though is the way that McCain, Ayotte and Graham and the media treated Susan Rice – the GOP War on Women continues with a willing beard in Ayotte’s case. My anger is completely and fully directed at McCain, Graham and Ayotte who led the smear campaign. I do not find it worthwhile to blame PBO, Clinton, Kerry or other dems for this outcome. Our anger should solely be with the GOPers.

      • 181 Eleroy
        December 13, 2012 at 8:09 pm

        Clinton and Kerry were very much complicit in this sidelining of Susan Rice!!!

        • December 13, 2012 at 8:15 pm

          The question then becomes, can the President truly trust Kerry to carry out his Foreign Policy? I don’t think Kerry is trustworthy, but have nothing other than my gut on which to base that.

          • 183 Eleroy
            December 13, 2012 at 8:32 pm

            I too think that is a very important question to ask!!!

            Also there is a danger in once again employing a person with a huge ego who ran for president and has his own exact set of foreign policy ideas which he thinks he can implement indepent of the President’s foreign policy vision and exact plan!!!

            I think President Obama has earned the right to appoint a qualified person of HIS choosing to carry out HIS foreign policy vision in the way HE wants it carried out!!!

            He got stifled with Hillary Clinton in his first term and is now being strongarmed into appointing John Kerry this time around!!!

            Susan Rice offered the President the opportunity to work with someone who understood exactly what he wanted accomplished and would carry out HIS mission without feeling they know better or “insulted”!!!

            • December 13, 2012 at 9:16 pm

              Kerry has been the most important backchannel for PBO going around State/DOD/CIA especially in Pakistan, he is the one who got Raymond the CIA agent who shot and killed 2 Pakistanis in broad daylight out of Pakistan (they used sharia law as an excuse to give the Pakistani gov cover and paid off the families of the deceased.) Its not Kerry who did the leaking its old hands who have worked for him for the many years he has been in D.C. and ultimately there is a loyalty factor to Kerry that PBO has for making him the Keynote in 04′. PBO trusts him bottom line.

              • 185 Eleroy
                December 13, 2012 at 9:48 pm

                The same “old hands” that will be working for him at the State Dept. if he were appointed???!!!

                The same “old hands” who like Clinton’s PUMA’s at the State dept will continue to leak things to try to undermine and damage this President and his admin???!!!

                Thanks, but no thanks!!!

                • December 13, 2012 at 10:05 pm

                  I should have been more clear “old hands” was in reference to ex-staffers who are now in think tanks et al.. Not people who work for Kerry now, if any of this came from his office PBO would squash hid bid for SOS. Kerry’s current office wasnt doing the leaking. Remember Steff Cutter was ex Kerry 04 so was Bill Burton go read Bill Burton’s TL and statements he has been a more vocal defender of Susan Rice than anybody I can think of.

            • 187 jackiegrumbacher
              December 13, 2012 at 9:43 pm

              Eleroy, I don’t think PBO was forced to take on Hilary Clinton. He thought she was right for the job and she has proven to be a loyal and very successful SOS. The president is his own man and makes the appointments he chooses to make.

              • 188 Eleroy
                December 13, 2012 at 9:53 pm

                Picking Hillary Clinton was a savvy political move on the President’s part to limit the potential crap she would have thrown from the side lines even though her husband, friends and allies still managed to do quite a bit of undermining albeit less publicly and more restrained than it would have been had she not been absorbed into the President’s cabinet!!!

                As for Hillary being “loyal” HA HA HA!!! PUHLEEEEEZE!!!

        • 190 nathkatun7
          December 14, 2012 at 12:16 am

          Can you please share the evidence that led you to this conclusion?

    • December 13, 2012 at 8:13 pm

      Deval Patrick explicitly said he would serve his term and move to public life. So this isn’t viable.

  36. December 13, 2012 at 5:54 pm

  37. 193 FoxfireTX
    December 13, 2012 at 5:59 pm

    No, we don’t know what’s going on behind the scenes and whether she was in fact PBO’s first choice or if something else would have come out in the confirmation hearings. BUT what these assholes did was make it extremely difficult for PBO to nominate her and he would have to use significant political capital to get her approved. There simply is NOTHING about her that justifies this and essentially limits PBO’s options. I am not blaming him for this or for not rejecting her submission. But that does not change the fact that this simply should not have happened to begin with. This was a witch hunt on the part of McCain and Graham and I will do whatever I can to help ensure they pay for this.

  38. December 13, 2012 at 6:00 pm

    For UTAustinLiberal:

    This is off-topic, but the picture of former President Clinton in Longhorn cowboy boots is priceless (follow the link in the tweet).

    • 195 utaustinliberal
      December 13, 2012 at 6:14 pm

      BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH……I’m a diehard Longhorn – Hook ‘Em! – but noooooo….Bubba…..no.

      Thank you for this Arapaho415.

  39. December 13, 2012 at 6:02 pm

    Also off-topic and for huge Tolkien fan Tally:

    Just gorgeous.

    I know the Daily Mail is a UK tabloid, but they can’t be beat for posting outstanding photographs.

  40. 197 hopefruit2
    December 13, 2012 at 6:03 pm

    HAHAHAHAHAHA! So now PBO is even in the poll-manufacturing business? This man never cease to amaze me.


    • 198 collegekay
      December 13, 2012 at 6:10 pm

      The turtle is nuts.

    • 200 FiredUpInCA
      December 13, 2012 at 7:07 pm

      I like Public Policy Poling’s pushback.

      “PPP Director Tom Jensen told the Louisville Eccentric Observer that letter from McConnell’s campaign were similar to comments made by Republicans who were in denial about former presidential nominee Mitt Romney’s 2012 campaign.

      “I think one of the biggest lessons of the 2012 campaign was that when Republicans are attacking polls it’s a sure sign that they’re losing,” Jensen explained. “GOP campaigns all over the country made these kinds of claims about us this year and we ended up calling every state in the Presidential race and Senate race we polled correctly. Nate Silver found that to the extent there was any bias in our polling, it was actually pro-Republican.”

      Raw Story (http://s.tt/1wPfM)

    • 201 yardarm756
      December 13, 2012 at 7:32 pm

      Time to change the rocks in his terrarium I think, and put in some more lettuce. 😦

  41. 202 Janelle
    December 13, 2012 at 6:07 pm

    I have to add my two cents (been on a much needed blog break). The comments above about Brennan and Donilon are correct. They have immense power. Hillary has logged a lot of miles as SOS but she still does not have the President’s ear like Brennan/Donilon as far as influencing his thought process. If Amb. Rice is placed as NSA, she will have more behind the scenes power than the SOS. Amb. Rice is very close to the President. At the moment, people are upset, as I am that her name has been dragged through the mud, but the President has a fantastic long game. He does not worry about the 24 hour news cycle. Also, Gov. Patrick and his wife were the first guests invited to have dinner in the residence with the Obamas after the reelection. The residence dinner table is off limits to most people except the Obama family—-plus the dinner info. was released to the press in advance. The Clintons have never had dinner with the Obamas in the residence. Something is going on behind the scenes……just wait and be patient. The true power behind this President are his advisors……it isn’t the SOS per se. With any administration, power is wielded to whomever the President chooses, not the position itself. And for the record, the Clintons did play a part in this…..Hilary is very ambitious. She gave very tepid, belated support of Amb. Rice and the Benghazi incident was her issue and responsibility—-if she doesn’t have a public hearing of the report on 12/20, I’ll know for sure she’s thinking about 2016. If the Clintons keep playing ruthless games (notice Matthews, Mitchell, etc protecting Hillary) with courting the media and bringing back the same tired, sleezy surrogates as 2008, they’re going to have a tough battle.

  42. 206 hopefruit2
    December 13, 2012 at 6:09 pm

    After the 1st debate – PBO was AWFUL – Romney was AWESOME declares Tweety and company!!!! Endless handwringing on Twitter, blogs, pundiotry and elsewhere.

    Where is Mitt Romney now?

  43. 215 utaustinliberal
    December 13, 2012 at 6:09 pm

    The meeting between Pres. Obama and Boehner has ended.

    • December 13, 2012 at 6:23 pm

      But were cocktails served to acclimate Boehner to his natural environment?

      • 217 dotster3
        December 13, 2012 at 6:27 pm

        I would have served stiff cocktails, gotten Boehner drunk and tricked him into signing an agreement, much to my liking. Probably why I’m not president—-probably the only reason. 🙂

    • 219 HZ
      December 13, 2012 at 7:15 pm

      Please do not think that POB does not make a move without thinking it through. Remember, POB has never announced his choice of SOS publicly.

      None of us have been in a room with POB and Amb. Dr. Susan Rice regarding this named position.

      POB has a second term to make his legacy a mark on this country and the world to help others see a form of justice, fairness, honesty, and the real honor of an American President all over this world. POB sees the world like no other president that I have seen in my lifetime. And the world has changed in so many more complicated ways that other presidents have not see or even think of in ways that this president does.

      Secondly, it pains my heart to hear a white old man say to the world that a very, very, very brilliant and hardworking young black woman is not smart/bright; and the other white Senator, Graham says,”I do not trust her.” Those are very loaded and ugly, vile comments to say to any mother’s and father’s child, especially when those parents worked so hard to educate their precious child. These words send chills throughout ones body especially a parent. But then those of us who have experienced such nasty remarks and untrue remarks, hurts.

      Let us call these people out for who and what they represent. Yes, we still have not overcome this, BUT we are willing to give the power of trust to POB in this matter. Remember how POB went on and worked, but still had a “steel-iron power chamber” running his campaign. YOUNG PEOPLE and YOUNG PEOPLE. And yes, the middle-age and older people… And what happened? We won!!!!!!! We had a Great Candidate, our President.

      TOD, I know that this president Thinks, and Thinks, and then he Acts. He will prevail. Dr. Rice will prevail, AND we the people will be served greatly for all of POB’s wisdom, grace, and hardwork. POB is a brilliant man and Dr. Susan Rice is a brilliant woman. No, he is not perfect and she is not perfect, BUT he is no one’s fool and believe me, Dr. Rice is no one’s fool. But these fools who are messing with the
      Wrong young lady and the wrong president at the wrong time are the fools and Karma is some kind bite you do not want to have get you in the a..

      We the people will be,,and stand up tall for our hard work and no evildoers and their weapons of destruction will hurt us. We worked hard for this nation by re-electing POB, and we will stand by our hardwork. Stand up, speak what you need to speak, But Do Not Forget how we got here and where we Will and Are Going. I love you all.HZ

      • December 13, 2012 at 9:23 pm

        Thank you, HZ, for your comments about our President’s ability to see and think. Do not let your heart be pained
        by people who say stupid things. People say stupid things all the time. All the time. That is none of your heart’s
        business, except maybe to see that these people are at the effect of something less than what we have our eyes on.
        That’s all. Forward. and love to you. xoxo

        • 221 HZ
          December 14, 2012 at 1:08 am

          Sara, thank you love. I understand your thoughts about the “heart being pained.” That is an expression when you see and recognize ugly, hateful acts and comments that there is no real and honest facts to back the comments up, especially when the person’s record(in this case, Amb. Rice’s record.) I know personally what Dr. Susan Rice and her parents went through to make sure she was very carefully nurtured with the best education and loving care for giving back to her community and in this case, her nation. This is personally for me in so many ways..

          I also lived to see some one very, very, very precious and dear to me go through a similar situation and it “pained the very hearts of those parents because they worked so hard, and gave some much to make sure that person, their child worked hard and has a great record to go up against anyone in his field. He did just that, and is one of the most brilliant young gentleman in his field. And old ugly spirited white men tried everything they could think of to stop it. That is when you see, hear, live through it, make the heart be filled with so much pained after all of these years where people I personally know died white, black, all for students of colour to reach the hightest of their goals in life.

          I realize that this crap will be with us forever, I just pray and hope that the younger generations with kindness of heart, the will to stand with each other black, white, brown, yellow, and say, “No more. We will not travel down this distructive road again. Not now. That is my hope. I have seen the dragging, the lynching, the spitting, the name calling, the “You are not smart enough, etc., ” and it is real. I have a very forgiving heart and spirit, but I do remember the things that should not take up any more precious time in this young generation of beautiful spirits, minds, and bodies that we have all around us. And I will continue to fight, encourage, speak out,and walk alongside of anyone who is willing to travel to a better place in our country. This is who I am and will always be.

          Thank you so much Sara, be not trouble, I will take care of the physical heart by the grace of God’s mercy and great doctors who I will consult and permit to do what is best for me, but some things of the mind and heart just need to be taken care of, if it is our calling and we know deep within our hearts when to answer the call. I love you so much for being so kind and concern about my deep concerns, Sara. You are a dear spirit. HZ

    • 222 jackiegrumbacher
      December 13, 2012 at 9:48 pm

      UT, that’s 50 minutes more than I could have endured with that asshat. PBO has a strong stomach.

  44. 223 closerange
    December 13, 2012 at 6:17 pm

    Under no circumstance should Kerry be appointed. He stood silent while his ‘friends’ attacked Rice unfairly. The GOPers should not be rewarded with another crack at the MA seat. To be honest I’m disappointed in Susan Rice also. PBO strongly defended her over this Benghazi crap so I think she should have stuck it out. I would nominate Samantha Power or Janet Napolitano.

    • 224 Eleroy
      December 13, 2012 at 6:18 pm

      Thank You!!!

    • 225 utaustinliberal
      December 13, 2012 at 6:23 pm

      Susan Rice is not to blame in anything. You don’t know what goes on behind the scenes. I’m also not ready to throw John Kerry under the bus.

      • December 13, 2012 at 6:24 pm

        I learned quite quickly to trust PBO. If Kerry is his choice, then I’ll support him.

      • 236 yardarm756
        December 13, 2012 at 6:31 pm

        It certainly isn’t his fault. McCain the pig that crapped in the fresh water trough!

      • 237 closerange
        December 13, 2012 at 6:57 pm

        The fact that Scott Brown has a good chance of winning Kerry’s seat plus the fact that there are other good candidates makes Kerry a bad choice in my book. McCain and his cronies claiming that Kerry would have an easy confirmation is another strike against him.

        I’m not blaming Susan Rice, I just don’t like her withdrawing because it gives the appearance that the GOP tactics worked.

      • December 13, 2012 at 7:52 pm

        Agree wholeheartedly. I am also not ready to throw Hillary under the bus either – she’s been a fantastic SOS and is working very hard to shepherd PBO’s global diplomatic vision. Let’s not throw our dem partners to the wolves either. I can clearly remember a few months ago how Pres. Clinton supported PBO’s election at the Convention with an amazing speech and campaign appearances. We’ve seen PBO work with former rivals – let’s follow his lead. I guess what I am saying let’s chill and see what PBO does next. I am confident that Susan Rice will continue her brilliant career somewhere in PBO’s administration.

        • 239 Eleroy
          December 13, 2012 at 10:20 pm

          I have never been convinced of this idea of the Clintons being my “Dem partner”!!! They have always been about themselves, THEIR desires and THEIR agenda!!!

          One speech by Bill Clinton at the DNC does not erase 3 years of subtly and not so subtly walking all over President Obama’s messaging!!!

          For 8 long years while George Bush was president, we never heard even a whimper from Bill Clinton – not even an opinion about the 2 crazy expensive and unnecessary wars George Bush took us into!!!

          In the past 4 years however, we can’t seem to be rid of Clinton and his need to opine (mostly negatively) about everything that potentially shows up President Obama – however never about anything relating to anything his wife was working!!!

          When Clinton wasn’t granting interviews or writing books, his staff was leaking disrespectul and demeaning shit about President Obama to the New Yorker, the NYTimes or any number of news media!!!

          Then 6 weeks before the elections, Bill Clinton hedges his bet and jumps on the bandwagon!!! If President Obama wins, he’ll take credit, if he loses he’ll at least look like he tried – never mind his 3 years of actively undermining the President!!!

          I am tired of everyone insisting that the Clintons have been supportive of this President especially since many of us know better!!!

          And no, Hillary has not been a “fantastic SoS”!!!

          Not having publicly sabotaged the President while greatly benefiting from the largely choreographed image of Sec. of State, does not a “fantastic’ SoS make in my opinion!!!

          • 240 EDP4BHO
            December 13, 2012 at 11:09 pm

            Count me as one who agrees with you on the Clintons. Also, we should ALL allow for the fact that PBO is a grown ass man who can do his job quite convincingly without any of us second guessing him. How would we like it if someone stepped to us on how to do our own, after so much experience ? This is what he has paid advisers for. People need to chill, and BWD- PBO ain’t your boyfriend. And with that, I bid you all good night. Peace.

    • 241 hopefruit2
      December 13, 2012 at 6:27 pm

      doserange, I’m not blaming Rice or Kerry. I will ALWAYS blame the GOP, and their dishonest friends in the media who give them a platform to spew their nasty propaganda.

    • 244 forus50
      December 13, 2012 at 7:01 pm

      From an unbiased point of view and on paper, John Kerry has probably earned SOS much more than Ms. Rice for all his years of service to the country. Two excellent candidates but why should he be passed over? Just to hold the Massachusetts seat? That doesn’t seem fair or right.

      • 245 Eleroy
        December 13, 2012 at 7:39 pm

        You don’t “earn” the SoS job, the duly elected President gets to select a qualified person of HIS choice to advance HIS foreign policy vision as he sees fit during HIS presidency!!!

  45. 246 Rain
    December 13, 2012 at 6:18 pm

    This is a disgusting turn of events.

  46. 247 utaustinliberal
    December 13, 2012 at 6:21 pm

    This is true.

  47. 250 Eleroy
    December 13, 2012 at 6:25 pm

    Joan Walsh in response to the Susan Rice issue now says that John McCain is a “sore loser”, but so is Hillary Clinton Joan, so is Hillary. She and McCain are not only sore losers but very vindictive!!!

    But Karma is a bitch!!!

    Meanwhile Petraeus who provided the info Rice used for her appearances as Hillary was conviniently too exhausted to do the media rounds, skips away quietly into the night!!!

  48. December 13, 2012 at 6:35 pm

    Perspective …

  49. 254 vitaminlover
    December 13, 2012 at 6:38 pm

    When inadequate, unstable and evil people (McCain and company) have to compete with competant, highly qualified, educated, classy, authentic and decent people (Obama, Rice, Holder, Biden) all they know how to do is attack because they are bottom feeders. It’s hard to deal with ignorant people who absolutely refuse to be educated. Ignorance is hard to deal with. “My people are destroyed for a lack of knowledge” So what we must do is to cntinue to educate and enlighten as many as we can.

    • 255 vcprezofan2
      December 13, 2012 at 8:05 pm

      I agree with you VL, especially this part …’what we must do is to continue to educate and enlighten as many as we can’.

  50. December 13, 2012 at 6:42 pm

    For me, today felt like 2008 all over again! I have so many questions – where was HRC hours/days after the Benghazi tragedy? Why was she silent? She is the SOS, why is she unscathed? Why were all the attacks against Obama and Rice? Who is responsible for security at these embassies? I am not feeling warm and fuzzy about HRC today! In fact, I am ticked off! John McCain tried to destroy Rice, but he foundthe time to participate in HRC’s video tribute? WTF? Just my rant.

    • December 13, 2012 at 6:58 pm

      Well, she is testifying before Congress on the 20th. Admiral Mullen us doing the investigation and at that time she sill present their findings to the Congressional committee.
      It’s supposed to be rather tough on the State Dept.
      Hope this cleared up your questions?

      • December 13, 2012 at 7:41 pm

        I am aware of that Jovie. The question remains – in all this mess SOS Clinton has been untouched. Frankly, I find the Benghazi tragedy to be just that, a tragedy and i do not think HRC should be attacked for this, but my question is why has she been left out of the nastiness?

        Listen, today emotions are high so I will leave it at that and hope for a better Friday.

  51. 259 dotster3
    December 13, 2012 at 6:43 pm

  52. 260 99ts
    December 13, 2012 at 6:45 pm

    It seems the “old boys” in the Senate – both sexes, both parties – do not like the President looking outside of their circle for his senior people. Seems that the President spent enough time in the Senate to realize looking outside is a good idea.

    The BEST change anyone can pass would be an age limit (70 years) on both the Senate and the Supreme Court – but given the age of those involved it seems unlikely.

    • 261 theo67
      December 13, 2012 at 7:14 pm

      There are some 70 year olds (like Pelosi) who are still extremely sharp, and then there are some like McCain who should have retired years ago. But, I think it’s more about base intelligence, than age. McCain was never the brightest bulb, and he’s skated by on his “charm” of the media and his war record. He basically is useless. And harmful and bitter.

      • 262 HZ
        December 13, 2012 at 7:47 pm

        Theo67, my thoughts go there so many times. Thank you for your comments. Amen to your comment on Nancy Pelosi. Some older people that I see and hear daily have more wisdom and are more useful in their golden years than Mr. McCain will every attempt to be.

        We all are vessels of the chronological stamp place on us if we should see those numbers, but I have learned that the wise tends to speak with beautifully measure words and walk with precise and elegant steps during their journey into their golden years than most. Sen. McCain seem to choose neither, and that makes him and old ugly vile spirit in his work where he could continue to help so many people in this nation and all across the world.

        I would rather read the the works of a joyful, fully fulfilled, honorable in deeds, caring in actions, and loving in words of a man.woman anyday, rather than constantly see an old foolish, angry, disruptive thinking soul, and ugly spirit trying to spoil the day for everyone who crosses his/her path. He must be one of the most miserable and depleted men we know working in that Senate. Sad for our nation.HZ

        • 263 theo67
          December 13, 2012 at 7:50 pm

          Well said, HZ!

        • 264 vcprezofan2
          December 13, 2012 at 8:13 pm

          You nailed it, HZ, so I shared it.

          • 265 HZ
            December 13, 2012 at 9:18 pm

            Vc, thank you so kindly. I have not been on Twitter for a while, so your brilliant tweeting skills are so elegantly stated for is so very much appreciated. The main thing is that you were so gracious to get it out there, and this how we support and fight this battle. Thank you, VC.

            • 266 vcprezofan2
              December 13, 2012 at 9:29 pm

              Anytime, HZ, because in the words of VitaminLover from above –

              ‘what we must do is to continue to educate and enlighten as many as we can’.

        • 267 jackiegrumbacher
          December 13, 2012 at 9:58 pm

          Amen, HZ. Think of what it must be like to be a mean-spirited, soulless, cruel and completely embittered man like McCain and having to live in that person for the rest of your natural life–truly a living hell. He will be long forgotten while those he most hates are remembered and loved.

    • 268 Eleroy
      December 13, 2012 at 7:52 pm

      “The 48-year-old Rice, a member of Obama’s inner circle since she joined his presidential campaign as an adviser in 2007, has until now enjoyed a brilliant career, becoming assistant secretary of state for African Affairs under President Clinton at the tender age 32 after overseeing Africa policy on the National Security Council. Clinton’s successor, George W. Bush, had flouted longstanding tradition and downgraded the U.N. job to sub-cabinet status, but President Obama restored it to cabinet rank for Rice—thus insuring intense bureaucratic rivalry between the U.S. Mission in New York and the State Department in Washington, where various career foreign-service officers view the prospect of Rice’s takeover with suspicion.

      “It’s the hallway conversation,” says a longtime State Department staffer. “It’s like, Jesus Christ, woe unto us all if this happens!”

      “Susan is a total team player, and that’s frustrating for journalists—she’s not giving the inside story,” notes Samantha Power, who among other duties is Rice’s point person on the National Security Council. “If her view doesn’t prevail, she doesn’t go and litigate it in The New York Times.”

      Power, one of Rice’s colleagues at the White House and U.N. Mission who were encouraged to speak to The Daily Beast, attributes much of the trash talking to institutional inertia and defensiveness.

      “There’s a status quo bias across the system, and Susan is not a champion of the status quo if people are hurting,” Power says. “She’s always willing to take a tool out of the toolbox and challenge assumptions and not let conventional wisdom cause us to drift from one meeting to the next. She shakes things up, for sure, but she’s also phenomenal at building alliances and cultivating relationships … She’s not snobby about who she engages with. If there’s something she thinks needs doing in the world, she will find the person who is the doer.”

  53. December 13, 2012 at 6:53 pm

    Obama: Rice ‘will continue to be one of the top members’ of national security team
    By JENNIFER EPSTEIN | 12/13/12 6:46 PM EST
    President Obama voiced continued support for Susan Rice on Thursday, even after her withdrawal from consideration to be his next secretary of state.

    “She’s done an outstanding job. I could not be prouder with her. She will continue to be one of the top members of my national security team,” the president said in an interview with KCRA, the NBC affiliate in Sacramento. 


  54. 272 dotster3
    December 13, 2012 at 6:53 pm

  55. December 13, 2012 at 6:56 pm

    I know you all love politics and so do I but it seems like there is a whole lot of inside baseball being discussed from the 2nd level bleachers. Whether or not Susan Rice is at the UN or Secretary of State wasn’t the slightest consideration for the millions who voted for Barack Obama just last month. I think we are suffering from a lack of political news and this fills the void. It doesn’t affect peoples lives or income or health or safety so if people are going to comment about it have at it but I think it’s worthwhile to sit back and put it in perspective of what the election was about.. And as importantly realize that all we and the media can do is speculate, which isn’t a useful thing to do, imho.

    • 277 theo67
      December 13, 2012 at 7:27 pm

      You make a good point, forus50, but for the billions of people around the globe who are impacted by US foreign policy, it’s jarring to see the right wing so easily make foreign policy and national security just one more tool in their arsenal for global destruction. For many, this election was about everything – the stability of the domestic environment, and the ability for the President to seamlessly exercise his good judgement on matters of foreign policy. Most of the world wouldn’t care so much if the dysfunction stopped at the waters edge, but it clearly doesn’t. For the GOP, nothing is sacred anymore.

    • 278 dotster3
      December 13, 2012 at 7:35 pm

      Thanks for the needed reminder. Sincerely.

    • December 13, 2012 at 8:18 pm

      I completely agree. I think this is what ‘s driving some of the Clkinton/2016 talk too. People are having difficulty letting go of the intense excitement of the election.

  56. 282 utaustinliberal
    December 13, 2012 at 7:00 pm

    In very important news….

    • 283 susanne
      December 13, 2012 at 7:05 pm

      wow. hope this gets the attention it deserves.

    • 284 theo67
      December 13, 2012 at 7:28 pm

      They should send this to that woman and her movie, “Zero Dark Thirty”.

    • 285 jacquelineoboomer
      December 13, 2012 at 8:35 pm

      Good. I know we won’t, President Obama won’t put the country through it, but I’d sure like it if Bush and Cheney and their lawyers could have read this report in an international war crimes courtroom.

      • 286 theo67
        December 14, 2012 at 12:48 am

        I still have a flicker of hope that Bush and Cheney will one day appear in the Hague to answer for their crimes. And the ghosts of all those who suffered and died at their hands will be in attendance.

  57. December 13, 2012 at 7:04 pm

    Can we please stop bringing Daily Kos BS over here? They are obstructive idiots and I don’t give a crap what anyone there thinks. If I wanted to read their swill, I’d go there. Please don’t bring that disrespect for PBO and his admin here!

  58. December 13, 2012 at 7:09 pm

    I thought that witch hunts ended four centuries ago. Seems John Mc Cain is still living in the past. Someone should throw him in the water and see if he sinks or swims. My bet is that he will sink just like his plane that went down apparently taking his commonsense with it.

  59. December 13, 2012 at 7:09 pm

    I ADORE Susan Rice and have respected her highly since I first heard her speak during Candidate Obama’s earliest foreign policy forums in 2007 along with Samantha Power. These GOP cretins are despicable.

    • 292 jacquelineoboomer
      December 13, 2012 at 7:27 pm

      I also adored Samantha Power back then. Think she plays somewhat of a background role, even now. Wasn’t she the one who let out the “B” word about Hillary, during the campaign?

      • 293 theo67
        December 13, 2012 at 7:30 pm

        She’s the same person. I first heard her speak when she gave a few words at Ambassador Holbrooke’s memorial, and I was instantly impressed. She’s very passionate and well informed. I believe she was with the President on his last trip, too. I could have sworn I saw her in a few of the behind-the-scenes pictures.

      • December 13, 2012 at 7:32 pm

        Yes, she called HRC a “monster” when HRC was lying about PBO and jobs in Ohio. But she is brilliant and I’m sure is a great counsel to PBO. She’s also married to Cass Sunstein.

  60. December 13, 2012 at 7:10 pm

    Rice to visit White House Friday
    By REID J. EPSTEIN | 12/13/12 6:41 PM EST
    President Obama and Susan Rice will meet in person Friday afternoon at the White House, a White House source said Thursday evening.

    The meeting will be the first since Rice withdrew her name from consideration for Secretary of State, a move that followed weeks of angst over her comments about the Sept. 11 attack on the U.S. consulate at Benghazi, Libya.

    Rice on Thursday taped an interview with NBC’s Brian Williams in which she said she withdrew her name to avoid having any confirmation hearings distract from Obama’s second-term agenda.

    “I didn’t want to see a confirmation process that was very prolonged, very politicized, very distracting, and very disruptive because there are so many things we need to get done as a country, and the first several months of a second term president’s agenda is really the opportunity to get the crucial things done,” Rice told NBC, according to an excerpt released by the network.

    “We’re talking about comprehensive immigration reform, balanced deficit reduction, job creation – that’s what matters. And to the extent that my nomination could have delayed or distracted or deflected, or maybe even some of these priorities impossible to achieve, I didn’t want that.”

  61. 307 Melanie
    December 13, 2012 at 7:20 pm

  62. December 13, 2012 at 7:21 pm

    I wonder if Michele Flournoy is back in play?

    • December 13, 2012 at 7:25 pm

      And If Rice moves to WH, Powers will be US Ambassador. That would be cool.

      • December 13, 2012 at 7:34 pm

        Powers is uniquely qualified for that role. But we don’t yet know where Susan Rice will be. However, I believe PBO will make damn sure her career isn’t stunted because of these cretins.

        • 311 HZ
          December 13, 2012 at 9:31 pm

          Meta, you are so damn right on this one. We can count on him doing that. Believe me. I am with you all the way on this one. These are two class act people. President Barack Obama and Amb. Dr. Susan Rice. Two of the Best. HZ

  63. 312 jacquelineoboomer
    December 13, 2012 at 7:23 pm

    “lisalovesobama” – You asked for more details on former U.S. Sen. Chuck Hagel, a Vietnam veteran, and why he’s being talked up for SECDEF. More than any bio could give you, this video of a Senate hearing during the dreaded W years, in 2007 – to me – shows some of the measure of the man.

    This is almost 10 mins. long, but I can never get enough of it. (You’ll spot former Sen. Biden, sitting near him on the committee.) If you have the time to check this out, please watch the sour looks on the faces of Crocker and Petraeus, as he lectures them.

    To me, the most important part is during the last minute of his lecture, when he says, repeatedly, “For what?” – which I may still have embroidered on a pillow, and keep around the house.

    He’s one of those dynamic leaders – who isn’t afraid to shift his own position, no matter the party line, when circumstances warrant it. Just the kind we need back in Congress. Or anywhere in the Obama administration, where the other dynamic leaders reside.

    • December 13, 2012 at 7:26 pm

      I always found him to be a breath of fresh air in terms of the other side. He is in search of FACTS and doesn’t play the partisan game the way the rest of them do. He is smart and hard-hitting and I think if PBO trusts him to do the job, that’s good enough for me.

      • 314 jacquelineoboomer
        December 13, 2012 at 7:39 pm

        Me, too. I promise to stop posting Chuck Hagel propaganda tonight, after this, but here’s how his position on Iraq was when he and Lieberman were on MTP in Jan ’07 … anybody in their right mind might want to skip over Lieberman’s rant and start listening to Chuck around the 2:20 mark:

      • December 13, 2012 at 8:10 pm

        I’m just spitting mad over this thing with Amb Rice. I wished she’d chosen to stay in it and fight. She’s the best person for the job DAMMIT! Arrgh!

        Anyway, now that’s out… So I don’t know much about this guy Hagel. Not clear on why Dems like him other than he’s not a nutball.

        But he’s a Republican Senator right? Has he been voing against the Repubs and WITH Dems on key legislation during the Obama administration? Cuz that’s the yardstick that I’d measure him by. What’s he done for US?

        I’d go look it up, but I gotta get back to work.

        • 318 dudette9t9
          December 13, 2012 at 9:09 pm

          Okay, I looked him up anyway. He’s a FORMER Senator. Left in 2009. So he’s not aligned with the teabaggers and nutballs, as far as we know. Here’s an excerpt from his Wikipedia page:

          “Among his most notable votes, Hagel:

          Voted for the Iraq war
          Voted for the Patriot Act
          Voted for the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts
          Voted for No Child Left Behind
          Voted against Bush’s Medicare prescription drug bill
          Voted against McCain-Feingold[21]

          In August 2004, Hagel acknowledged that he was considering a presidential campaign in 2008.

          Hagel appeared as himself on the HBO series K Street in 2003, on the episode entitled “Week Four”.[citation needed]

          On immigration, Senator Hagel supports a “pathway to citizenship” and a “guest worker program” for undocumented immigrants.[citation needed] On May 25, 2006 he voted for S. 2611, the Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2006, which passed the Senate before reaching a stalemate in the House in late 2006. On June 26, 2007, Hagel joined with Senator Ted Kennedy to support the Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2007 (S. 1639).

          In July 2007, Hagel was one of three Republican Senators who supported the legislation proposed by Democrats to require a troop withdrawal from Iraq to begin within 120 days. “This thing is really coming undone quickly, and [Prime Minister] Maliki’s government is weaker by the day. The police are corrupt, top to bottom. The oil problem is a huge problem. They still can’t get anything through the parliament—no hydrocarbon law, no de-Baathification law, no provincial elections” (from Robert Novak’s interview with Hagel, published in the Washington Post: “Hagel’s Stand”.)

          During his first campaign, Hagel indicated that, were he to be elected, he would retire in 2008 after two terms in the Senate.[22] Nebraska State Attorney General Jon Bruning announced plans to challenge him in the primaries in 2008 if he did not retire.[citation needed] After considering running in the 2008 presidential election, Hagel announced in 2007 that he would retire from the Senate at the end of his present term and would not seek the presidency.[23] He has joined the faculty of Georgetown University, where his daughter currently attends, starting in the fall of 2009, as a Distinguished Professor in the Practice of National Governance and will begin teaching in the fall of 2009, as reported in the Georgetown University student paper The Hoya, and in The Washington Post [24]

          Senator Hagel’s differences with his party’s platform on Iraq are reflected in a change to his voting record. As reported in:[25] ” … [A]ccording to Congressional Quarterly, in 2006 he voted with the President ninety-six per cent of the time… Hagel’s support for Bush’s policies declined—in 2007, he voted with the President just seventy-two per cent of the time.”

          Hagel had a tradition of wearing costumes to work on Halloween, usually masquerading as colleagues or other notable political figures. He has arrived at work dressed as Joe Biden, John McCain, Colin Powell, and Pat Roberts in past years.[26]”

          So he wanted us out of Iraq and has a sense of humor. I guess that’s something, but he’s still a Republican. Although the fact that he’d step up to work in the Obama Administration will put the current Rethugs on the warpath against him. I just can’t excited about any Repub in our Administration. Sorry. Just me, I guess.

  64. December 13, 2012 at 7:24 pm

  65. December 13, 2012 at 7:25 pm

    As all of you know, I’m sorta fond of #TrustBarack mainly because he’s earned it, countless times.

    I don’t do ‘hero worship’ – never have. It’s not in my DNA. I respect (or not) a person based on the available evidence of their deeds, not their words (unless their primary ‘deed’ is writing).

    Thus, #TrustBarack is an admonition to those who, irrespective of the now overwhelming evidence of how profound this man’s analytical and decision making skills, prefer to whine and pretend that somehow they know what’s going on when the reality is that at this very moment, in the Ambassador Rice situation, there probably are very few folk who know what his strategy is and plans are for SOS or any other Cabinet position.

    In fact, does anyone in the twitterverse or MSN or …. KNOW for CERTAIN that Ambassador Rice was actually going to be nominated for SOS? NO.

    Ponder the implications of, just perhaps, she was not his #1 choice. And, never forget that game of ‘POTUS’ with Clark Kellogg.


    • 321 Janelle
      December 13, 2012 at 7:36 pm

      It’s hard to guess what PBO’s long term strategy is, he is ever patient to get his end result and has a brilliant mind—–it certainly was never certain that Amb. Rice was his choice. Pundits and others just assumed because he was vocal in saying that he knew she was being attacked for political reasons, that she was the #1 choice. We also have to remember that the President is also battling a “Senate country club” that is made up of some Democrats that still don’t have his back with votes unless it serves their interests. Randi Rhodes was correct in saying that some Dems and Rethugs will collaborate with silence and/or leaks in order to hurt or slow down this President’s agenda. That’s why I have no patience for emoprogs, and I have been disgusted with this whining on twitter and talking and yelling at the President as if he were a child. I don’t worship the Pres. by trusting his judgment—-he’s more than proven himself to me. I also realize that behind the scenes, he’s not just battling the Republicans——the Dems will smile in your face and stab you in the back. We’ll hear about the back room dealing with this situation and it won’t be cut and dry.

    • 323 theo67
      December 13, 2012 at 7:37 pm

      You’re right, Bob. Even if she was his first choice, I think she did the right thing withdrawing in favor of accomplishing great things in these first important months of the second term. Just think, the media is already gearing up to move on to 2016 pondering. They need these first few months of momentum to shine the light on the important goals of the second term, and before long, the media will start to slide into yet another election fever, and Congress will be more focused on re-election than on doing the job they were elected to do. To lose precious months haranguing over the Sec of State position doesn’t make sense. I feel for the President, and for Ambassador Rice – and for John Kerry, who may have always been the first choice, but will now always be the second one or none at all. I trust the President to weigh his options and do what he needs to do, to achieve his goals and to protect the people he’s been sworn in to protect.

    • 324 yardarm756
      December 13, 2012 at 7:58 pm

      Careful Lootenant. You’ll cause some heads to explode from too much logic and deductive reasoning, eh? 😀

    • 332 EDP4BHO
      December 13, 2012 at 8:45 pm

      Thanks Bob, for your astute observations and for the query….”In fact, does anyone in the twitterverse or MSN or …. KNOW for CERTAIN that Ambassador Rice was actually going to be nominated for SOS? ” . This has been my thought all along this witch hunt, although I admit I was dismayed earlier because it seemed the rethugs and accusers were getting what they wanted. Maybe not, hey?

      • 333 Eleroy
        December 13, 2012 at 9:05 pm

        She wouldn’t have officially withdrawn her name from consideration if she were not been seriously considered!!! She also did an informal run through meeting with some of the senate people!!! But when Diane Feinstein et all throw up road blocks to get their way, it’s fair to say that something was going on!!!

        The biggest problem she has is that she is very close and loyal to the President!!!

        They don’t like that!!! They want the potential for tension and mess like in Hillary’s case!!! They itch for any opportunity for this President to be undermined potentially!!!

    • 334 FoxfireTX
      December 13, 2012 at 8:51 pm

      Bob for some of us this is not about PBO at all but about seeing another highly qualified woman tarnished and limited by old idiot men. As a long time professional woman I’ve seen this happen far too many times and it always makes my blood boil. I started marching in the early 1970’s and this past year has been a horror. Between the attacks on women’s rights and the voter suppression tactics that look too much like the Jim Crow laws it is incredibly frustrating. It is the fact that these battles are never ending that makes it so shameful. Every time you think some battles have been won, you just have to wait for some of these men to think they can win another battle and we seem to be right back where we were decades ago. Unfortunately, I do not have PBO’s calm temperament:-) I am at the point I cannot stomach seeing McCain, Graham, McConnell or Boehner. I am about ready to throw out my television!

      • 335 HZ
        December 13, 2012 at 9:48 pm

        FoxfiewTX, please do not throw out your television, let us just throw out Graham, McConnell in 2014 for sure; then hopefully Boehner will be voted out in Jan., and McCain will find a rock to climb under and be served justice. I really can’t say what is in my heart because I would need a great lawyer and great judge and the most Higher Power to help me. So, I will keep it in my “Sour Souls Jar” that is placed in a space that does not touches my inner sweet spirit of goodness. I will leave it there.HZ

      • 336 jackiegrumbacher
        December 13, 2012 at 10:20 pm

        Foxfire, I understand your frustration, but consider that all those attacks you mentioned were remembered by millions of people who kept it in their hearts, fought back and stood in line to vote. The attacks on Rice –an incredibly brilliant and highly qualified African American woman–by old, bitter white men, will be not be forgotten. It will be the fuel that will once again motivate people to fight to get rid of those who try to rewind the clock to another time and century. Don’t let anyone you know forget this. Make sure every one you run into is registered to vote. Make sure everyone you know votes again and again and again until the last stinking horse’s ass is booted out.

    • 337 HZ
      December 13, 2012 at 9:40 pm

      Thank you, Bobfr. You are a brilliant observant of President Barack H. Obama. So beautifully stated, and I totally concur.HZ

    • 338 nathkatun7
      December 14, 2012 at 1:12 am

      Bob, as always, you make so much sense! Eric Hoffa was right: “True believers are absolutely certain about things they do not know.”

  66. 339 desertflower
    December 13, 2012 at 7:28 pm

    WTH? http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2012/12/13/1332591/house-republicans-authorize-500000-more-to-defend-unconstitutional-marriage-inequality-law/

    t has come to light that House Administration Committee Chairman Dan Lungren (R-CA) secretly approved a $500,000 increase to a contract with a private law firm to defend the unconstitutional Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) in federal court. While the increase was approved in September, neither the public nor the Democratic House minority was informed until this week, Roll Call reports.
    The contract now authorizes Bancroft PLLC and former Solicitor General Paul Clement (R) to spend up to $2 million in to defend DOMA — the second increase to what was originally a $1 million cap. The U.S. Department of Justice stopped defending the 1996 law in February 2011 after determining the law to be in conflict with the U.S. Constittuion.

    • 340 theo67
      December 13, 2012 at 7:38 pm

      I thought that the GOP reasoning for rejecting the small business TAG program earlier today was because it violated their no spending nonsense, but I guess there’s always money to discriminate against a group of people, right?

    • 342 jacquelineoboomer
      December 13, 2012 at 7:44 pm

      I never heard of such a thing being legal, but, then again, I’m just a taxpayer.

  67. December 13, 2012 at 7:36 pm

    And in really important news: tonight’s menu.

    Roasted pork loin
    Honey and cumin cous cous
    And either a baby spinach salad with dried cranberries, or baby spinach sauteed in evoo and garlic

    • 346 theo67
      December 13, 2012 at 7:39 pm

      The cranberry & spinach salad sounds amazing, but doesn’t the sauteed spinach help your new diet better?

      • December 13, 2012 at 7:43 pm

        either one would be good for cholesterol. I use no-fat balsamic dressing

        • 348 theo67
          December 13, 2012 at 7:44 pm

          I think you’ve given me some ideas for dinner tonight… if I can summon up the energy to cook, that is…!

          • 349 carolyn
            December 13, 2012 at 8:17 pm

            Those dried cranberries are great for any diet. My husband is now on low sodium…..2,000 mg a day…and cranberries have no fat, no sodium in them…..a great little fruit!!!
            When we were first told it had to be LOW SODIUM…..we weren’t sure what that meant. However, the hospital gave us diet guidelines, and I also googled Low Sodium Diet, and got GREAT easy to understand info from the Cleveland Clinic. Actually, 2,000mg a day is fine. We will cut out ALL processed foods…..deli meats, hot dogs, bacon, ham, and soups. (even low sodium of them are not low enough) However,fresh fruits and vegetables have no sodium, chicken and fish have very little, and even beef has little. Pork is a no no.
            LL…..you wil be fine. You will eat healthier than you ever have. But, here’s the word of advice our cardiologist’s PA gave us…..don’t over do it and starve yourself. Be reasonable. Since my husband had congestive heart failure, and that means fluid collecting, the doctor said “water follows salt” and therefore the low sodium diet. Also…..sherbet is good, angel food cake is good…..
            I haven’t added salt in cooking since I was pregnant with my first child in 1968. My doctor said NO added salt then….so that determined our patterns. Doctors were VERY strict about pregnancy weight gain in the 1960s.
            Well, this post wandered quite a bit…….hope you all don’t mind.
            With regard to Susan Rice…….I’m of the mind of someone above, that the President had not formally nominated her, and this was always a strange event to me. I have a feeling he’s going to nominate someone for SOS that the MSM and we have not thought of. He knows ALL the possibilities, we and the MSM are limited in our view of possibilities. I greatly admire Ambassador Rice, and admire her more for withdrawing, even though she was not even formally nominated. She knew this entire situation had become a distraction and shiny object for the press and Republicans.

    • 351 desertflower
      December 13, 2012 at 7:44 pm

      I choose the evoo and garlic. LOTS of garlic!

  68. 352 lisalovesobama
    December 13, 2012 at 7:45 pm

    i”m very proud of Amb. Rice. She’s a true patriot. She knew PBO would stand by her through thick and thin, in public and in private and she still chose to do what she believed would serve the greater good. She obviously loves and respects and believes in his agenda, enough so that she would take her name out of the running for a very pretigious job. I really commend her. the people who are blaming PBO for Rice’s decision are short-changing her ideals and her principles. Do you honestly believe that had she been his choice, he wouldn’t have stood with her? That his vociferous defense of her in public wasn’t just as intense and staunch in private? that’s what probably sinched her decision: the fact that he was willing to stick by her regardless of the political cost to him and his agenda. She did a brave and honorable thing. Complainers should stop complaining. Instead, recognize what she did: PBO’s work, his agenda was more important to her than a job title with high frequent flyer miles, especially when there were other people just as qualified as Hillary who could fill that position. Also, for people looking for conspiracies underneath the kitchen table……….seriously?! Why are people muttering about Kerry? what has he ever done to make anyone suspect that he’s a backstabbing Machiavelli? 🙄 sometimes I think we are just as crazy as the right. we neded to spend less time turning on each other i.e. Kerry –and other possible democrats who (we don’t know for sure ) decided they didn’t like Rice so weren’t going to support her anyway—– seriously, where are we getting this bullhit from? Certainly not the same newstrainers we’ve spent the last 4 years mocking because of their lack of journalistic integrity and skills, and who also lack the forsight and promise of outlets like TMZ or Buzzfeed? 🙄 —–and more time sticking together. Good Gawd.

  69. 359 dotster3
    December 13, 2012 at 7:45 pm

    PBO to speak in a couple of minutes

  70. 360 hopefruit2
    December 13, 2012 at 7:46 pm

    PBO to speak live at the Hanukkah party at the WH. 7:40PM ET


  71. December 13, 2012 at 7:47 pm

    @whitehouse: Starting at 7:40 pm ET: President Obama speaks at a Hanukkah Reception at the White House. Watch: http://t.co/u95tzH8r

  72. 362 hopefruit2
    December 13, 2012 at 7:49 pm

    Here are POTUS and FLOTUS!!

  73. 364 hopefruit2
    December 13, 2012 at 7:54 pm

    The mic is hot. Something happened with the volume.

  74. 365 Bill R.
    December 13, 2012 at 7:55 pm

  75. December 13, 2012 at 8:00 pm

    The GOP will live to regret this one too, just like they did with Elizabeth Warren. You watch. They have won nothing here. Zilch.

  76. 367 Bill R.
    December 13, 2012 at 8:08 pm

    Breaking- http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/susan-rice-my-withdrawal-from-secretary-of-state-consideration-was-right-call/2012/12/13/ad69b3fc-4578-11e2-9648-a2c323a991d6_story.html

    Amb. Rice Op-Ed in Washington Post

    Susan Rice: Why I withdrew

    View Photo Gallery — What you need to know about Susan Rice: The U.S. ambassador to the United Nations has withdrawn from consideration for secretary of state

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    By Susan Rice, Thursday, December 13, 4:43 PM

    Susan Rice is U.S. ambassador to the United Nations.

    On Thursday I asked that President Obama no longer consider me for the job of secretary of state. I made this decision because it is the right step for this country I love. I have never shied away from a fight for a cause I believe in. But, as it became clear that my potential nomination would spark an enduring partisan battle, I concluded that it would be wrong to allow this debate to continue distracting from urgent national priorities — creating jobs, growing our economy, addressing our deficit, reforming our immigration system and protecting our national security.

    These are the issues that deserve our focus, not a controversy about me. On Sept. 16, when Secretary of State Hillary Clinton was unavailable after a grueling week, the White House asked me to appear on five Sunday talk shows to discuss a range of foreign policy issues: the protests against our diplomatic facilities around the world; the attack in Benghazi, Libya; and Iran’s nuclear program.

    The U.N. Ambassador withdrew her name from consideration for the job of America’s top diplomat. Anne Gearan explains why she did it and who might get the post.

    When discussing Benghazi, I relied on fully cleared, unclassified points provided by the intelligence community, which encapsulated their best current assessment. These unclassified points were consistent with the classified assessments I received as a senior policymaker. It would have been irresponsible for me to substitute any personal judgment for our government’s and wrong to reveal classified material. I made clear in each interview that the information I was providing was preliminary and that ongoing investigations would give us definitive answers. I have tremendous appreciation for our intelligence professionals, who work hard to provide their best assessments based on the information available. Long experience shows that our first accounts of terrorist attacks and other tragedies often evolve over time. The intelligence community did its job in good faith. And so did I.

    I have never sought in any way, shape or form to mislead the American people. To do so would run counter to my character and my life of public service. But in recent weeks, new lines of attack have been raised to malign my character and my career. Even before I was nominated for any new position, a steady drip of manufactured charges painted a wholly false picture of me. This has interfered increasingly with my work on behalf of the United States at the United Nations and with America’s agenda.

    I grew up in Washington, D.C., and I’ve seen plenty of battles over politics and policy. But a national security appointment, much less a potential one, should never be turned into a political football. There are far bigger issues at stake. So I concluded this distraction has to stop.

    This was the right call, for four reasons.

    First, my commitment to public service is rooted in the belief that our nation’s interests must be put ahead of individual ones. I’ve devoted my life to serving the United States and trying to mend our imperfect world. That’s where I want to focus my efforts, not on defending myself against baseless political attacks.

    Second, I deeply respect Congress’s role in our system of government. After the despicable terrorist attacks that took the lives of four colleagues in Benghazi, our government must work through serious questions and bring the perpetrators to justice. We must strengthen security at our diplomatic posts and improve our intelligence in a volatile Middle East. Accomplishing these goals is far more important than political fights or personal attacks.

    Third, the American people expect us to come together to keep our nation safe. U.S. leadership abroad is and always has been strengthened when we transcend partisan differences on matters of national security. America is seriously weakened when politics come first. If any good can come out of the experience of the past few months, I hope that it will be a renewed focus on the business of the American people — and a renewed insistence that the process of selecting potential candidates for high national security office be treated in the best bipartisan traditions of our country.

    Finally, I have a great job. It’s been my highest honor to serve as U.S. ambassador to the United Nations. I’m proud that President Obama has restored our global stature, refocused on the greatest threats to our security and advanced our values around the world. I’m equally proud of the many successes of my tremendous team at the U.S. Mission to the United Nations: saving countless civilians from slaughter in Libya, imposing the toughest sanctions ever on Iran and North Korea, steadfastly defending Israel’s security and legitimacy, and helping midwife the birth of the world’s newest nation, South Sudan.

    These efforts remind us that we can do so much more when we come together than when we let ourselves be split apart. That’s a lesson I will carry with me as I continue the work of the American people at the United Nations.

    • December 13, 2012 at 8:13 pm

      Thanks for this link :-). Wonderful team player our UN Ambassador 🙂

    • 369 dudette9t9
      December 13, 2012 at 8:23 pm

      Dayum! See there? That’s what patriotism and class looks like.
      It’s also why this hurts so much! I’m glad she’s on our team though! Let’s all make sure we send her some love!

      Still stings though! Grrrrr!! 😡

    • December 13, 2012 at 8:38 pm

      And, obviously, she didn’t write that in the past couple of hours.

      #TrustBarack He’s Earned It

    • 371 Eleroy
      December 13, 2012 at 8:41 pm

      This is integrity, honor, selflessness and patriotism at its best!!!

      If only Hillary Clinton and John Kerry showed half the integrity, honor and selflessness Ambassador Rice has displayed, I would not feel the strong anger and resentment I feel towards these self-serving cowards!!!

  77. 372 dudette9t9
    December 13, 2012 at 8:12 pm

  78. 373 dudette9t9
    December 13, 2012 at 8:13 pm

  79. 377 dudette9t9
    December 13, 2012 at 8:14 pm

  80. 378 vitaminlover
    December 13, 2012 at 8:27 pm

    Did my eyes and ears deceive me? Michael Steele took upfor Ambassador Rice!?!?

  81. 381 Bill
    December 13, 2012 at 8:29 pm

    Jonathan Alter just said Susan Rice’s IQ is higher than the combined IQ’s of the Republicans on the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations.

  82. 387 dudette9t9
    December 13, 2012 at 8:33 pm

  83. December 13, 2012 at 8:41 pm

  84. 391 kasai
    December 13, 2012 at 8:41 pm

    Good Evening Tod’s
    I am so pissed about Susan Rice….What a damn Shame!!! She really a Class Act!…I wish the Gop learn a thing or two from Her…what it means to put “Country First”….mccain ain’t no patriot to me..just an old bitter man that needs to retire like yesterday…
    Bitterness is so Ugly!!…mcain & company need some soul searching to even come close to Susan Rice’ Brilliance,Class & Intelligence.#Losers

  85. December 13, 2012 at 8:44 pm

    Well, new EPA rules for soot will be made public Friday and finalized.
    They are supposed to be very tough, though not as tough as The Sierra club wants, surely will poss of Senator Manchin.
    Be prepared to see Manchin on MSNBC soon, laying into the President over this.
    Me thinks, these rules should have always been in place.

  86. December 13, 2012 at 8:47 pm

    Here’s my take on today’s news re: Ambassador Rice

    Those of you who follow me on Twitter must have realized how livid I was upon hearing the news about Ambassador Rice’s withdrawal from SOS consideration. I barely took a break from grading student exams turned on MSNBC, and I admit I went batshit all over the tubes. Now upon further reflection here’s my take on what I think is going on.

    There’s a deep rift in DC and it’s not Dem vs. Repub. It is the Permagov (an entrenched bipartisan cabal of power brokers) versus those like Pres. Obama whom it deems unworthy of exercising any power to shape this country’s affairs, especially global & financial policy.

    First the reelection Pres. Obama has thrown many DC denizens into bewilderment. The entire beltway class was certain Romney was going to win, and they did their best to help push that along. They wanted the RESTORATION of the status quo they can control, and more importantly a foreign policy that is materially PROFITABLE to the defense establishment and by extension the leaches & journos that feed off that gravy train. President Obama’s re-election fucked that wish up for them

    Remember the hit job books that Bob Woodward ( I call him the heir to David Broder), Ron Suskind, et al wrote? Remember how David Patraeus while in Afghanistan is said to have cooked up the Iranian plot on Saudi Ambassador to US just to scuttle advancing backdoor talks that Panetta at CIA had facilitated between WH agents & Iran and which were about to yield some breakthrough? Patraeus at CIA got hit himself before he could advance his own political ambitions, but his testimony about “terrorism” set up Rice as pawn in this high stakes game.

    So since they couldn’t stop PBO they are hellbent on stripping him of any capacity and drive away the people who can enact HIS agenda as they are not beholden to the permagov. They want to NEUTER him NOW before he is re-inaugurated, and thus shape the terrain of power before un unfettered PBO gets his sails going. Susan Rice is their immediate trophy for many political reasons, but it’s because she & Samantha Power overrode the Libya options that the permagov/status quo wanted (including some cabinet members). To make matters sting more, their strategy on Libya destabilized the existing cozy oil arrangement that Bush had secured with Gaddafi. Gates & Hillary did not want intervention, only symbolic no fly zone to cover US’s international ass. Rice & the compassionists prevailed. Libya got on the road to democracy, but Libya did not instantly yield a gravy train to the liking of the DC permagov. If she were to become SOS she would advance Pres. Obama’s FP in bold way, free from allegiance to the permagov’s desires. That is huge. Hilary Clinton has been perceived as successful, but if you look closely she has not rocked any permagov boats. Susan Rice would be unpredictable and so she needed to be stopped in her tracks.

    John Kerry is a fine person and very qualified for the position, but he speaks the permagov speak, so he’s not considered a threat to the entrenched interests. Cheerleading him now, is intended to engender permanent gratitude from him to the same pirahnas. Plus the beltway pushing Kerry is a signal to Pres. Obama that he may have gotten his second term (as they tried but failed to make that impossible) but they wanna make it clear that they’ll be calling the shots. Kerry is an unwitting pawn in their game. Mark my words if Kerry is nominated, the very people pushing him now will reprise Swiftboat allegations like you haven’t heard before, at his confirmation hearings as a warning shot to him not to step out of line vis-avis their global interests.

    This is the dangerous ground we’re on. They are building narratives that serve to confuse the public. The Fiscl Cliff issue was going too swimmingly well for PBO, so this unfortunate news breaks that fine thread and gives GOP the chance to strut b4 cameras and milk corporate media attention. They are not gonna stop with Susan Rice departure, as McCain, Graham & Ayotte are already saying. Now their fight is directly with WH. It gives Boehner a break from the hot glare of public opprobrium currently building up relentlessly. Sunday shows are gonna be Rice 24/7 and nothing about GOP irresponsibility on the fiscal nonsense.

    Yeah I’m mad. I so want to crush the Permagov, republicans and their media enablers, my fists are clenched as I type.

    Yet I trust Pres. Obama has seen this coming and has a countermove so surprising it sends detractors to the ER.

    • 395 Vicki Green
      December 13, 2012 at 8:56 pm

      Wow, Zizi. I wish I thought you were wrong.

    • December 13, 2012 at 8:57 pm

      Zizi, don’t you have posting privileges on TPV? You should post this there; it would need very little revision.

    • 398 Bill
      December 13, 2012 at 9:04 pm

      So well said.

    • December 13, 2012 at 9:12 pm

      Thanks so much for your thoughts. You have penetrated through all the BS and gotten down to the quick. Big power movidas coming the the GOP/MSM cabal. They threaten our democracy every single day.

    • 400 Jewelz
      December 13, 2012 at 9:13 pm

      Brilliant analysis Zizi. The length that people will go to try to retain power. The greed and corruption that envelopes the DC power structure. The President definitely needs all of our prayers.

    • December 13, 2012 at 9:51 pm

      Scary. Also very infuriating. UGH!

    • 402 Lovepolitics2008
      December 14, 2012 at 1:40 am

      THANK YOU zizi for this comment. You make so much sense, unfortunately. Please don’t hesitate to post this elsewhere. Your analysis deserves a lot of attention.

      President Obama is the first president since JFK who is REALLY challenging the status quo, especially on the global stage. I think that the establishment is much more afraid of him that they ever were of Bill Clinton.

      Is there any chance you can post this on a couple of “lefty blogs” ? One never knows, it could wake up a few people to the realities of Washington. Maybe they would then have more respect for President Obama.

  87. 403 Jewelz
    December 13, 2012 at 8:53 pm

    I am so upset about this injustice right now.. Dr. Rice did not deserve this. John Kerry is now on my shit list . And to think that I felt sorry for him in 2004 when Karl Rove and his minions swiftboated him with that disgusting Veterans for Truth ad. John Kerry has wanted the Secretary of State post since 2008. I underestimated the level that Kerry and his inner circle, and some of his colleagues in the Senate will go to try to destroy an accomplished and brilliant woman just for power and ambition. Ambition. That word again. If John Kerry is appointed to this post, I will never look at democrats in the Senate the same way again. I will remember what they did to Susan Rice. I expected this treatment from republicans, but the lack of unified support from democrats in the Senate (especially the women) will not be forgotten. And as for Hillary Clinton, if it’s the last thing that I do, I will work tirelessly to make sure she never gets anywhere close to the White House in 2016.

    Does anyone know what the requirements are for a Supreme Court post? I know Susan Rice doesn’t have a law degree, but could she still be appointed to the Supreme Court for the next vacant spot?. I would love to see her in that capacity.

    • 404 Bill
      December 13, 2012 at 9:01 pm

      PBO still has big plans for her in foreign affairs. She is very wealthy and does not need a job for the money.

    • 405 jacquelineoboomer
      December 13, 2012 at 9:19 pm

      I would just suggest we don’t go after John Kerry without the facts.

      Remember he’s the one who brought Barack Obama into the national spotlight in 2004, was swiftboated himself, and I don’t recall he’s said or done one thing against PBO’s presidency.

      Someone here mentioned that Dr. Rice may be appointed National Security Adviser by the President, when that’s vacant, which does not need an advise and consent from the Senate. That would be another middle finger thrust in the face of McCain.

  88. 409 dudette9t9
    December 13, 2012 at 8:54 pm

  89. 410 anniebella
    December 13, 2012 at 8:54 pm

    How many people who are piss about what happen to Amb. Rice have taken the time to contact her and offer her a word of two of support?

  90. 417 lisalovesobama
    December 13, 2012 at 9:07 pm

    What time is Bawbwa on with PBo and Miche?

  91. December 13, 2012 at 9:09 pm

    Rachel is on the Rice snafu

    • December 13, 2012 at 9:28 pm

      Apparently not in a good way, according to my twitter TL.

      • December 13, 2012 at 9:32 pm

        Tell me about it! Dan Rather? I clicked off!

      • 423 theo67
        December 14, 2012 at 1:41 am

        I caught five minutes of Rachel talking to Andrea Mitchell, who insisted that people/women are furious at President Obama, not the Republicans, because they think the President should have fought harder, and that he (and the White House) treated Susan Rice badly. When I heard that Dan Rather was coming on next, I switched to the Food Network.

  92. 424 squarepeg
    December 13, 2012 at 9:16 pm

    As to be expected, Andrea Mitchell is blaming PBO for Rice leaving right now on maddow.

    • 425 jacquelineoboomer
      December 13, 2012 at 9:21 pm

      Which is why I’m not watching Maddow. They have no clue what’s really going on … and yet they keep yapping, as though they do.


      • 426 cos
        December 13, 2012 at 9:33 pm

        Anytime Rachel drag these old relics on her show I fast forward through anything they have to say. I refuse to listen to Dan Rather and Andrew Mitchell under any circumstances. There are some pundits I detest and I don’t give them the time of day.

        • 427 jacquelineoboomer
          December 13, 2012 at 9:37 pm

          Which is why I love ya, cos!

          • 428 cos
            December 13, 2012 at 9:45 pm

            Love ya back Ms O’Boomer. 🙂

            • 429 HZ
              December 13, 2012 at 10:15 pm

              When I saw dried up Ms. Mitchell on, I turned off and went to my Christmas music and lit some more candles in the house. I refuse to tell them to kiss my behind because I went to the doctor today, and of course, I sprayed my behind with my favorites of three, Palsma Picasso. I do not waste that fragrance on anyone. So there. Take you behind home, Mrs. Greenspan STHU. Now, I am done.HZ

        • 431 Carol in KY
          December 13, 2012 at 10:01 pm

          I watched it and was furious! Only PBO is to blame, and not one word about the Repugs.
          I could vomit 😦

          • 432 jacquelineoboomer
            December 13, 2012 at 10:16 pm

            • 433 jackiegrumbacher
              December 13, 2012 at 10:46 pm

              Amen, JOB

            • 435 nathkatun7
              December 14, 2012 at 1:45 am

              Bravo, JOBoomr! It’s really sad how some of us are quick to turn on each other instead of focusing on the real culprits. Of course the MSM fuels this strategy of “divide and conquer.” Instead of attacking Sens. McCain, Graham, Ayotte, Collins, and the rest of them, who falsely maligned Ambassador Rice, some people here, and in the so called progressive media, are now attacking the President, Ambassador Rice, Sen. John Kerry, and Sec. Clinton.

              • 436 jacquelineoboomer
                December 14, 2012 at 1:51 am

                Since we don’t think like Republicans, sometimes we can fall into their trap. We don’t always have to agree, here, but at least we’re all making up our own minds, and most of us will eventually see the big picture (even me). As Bobfr puts it, the big picture for me is to #TrustBarack !

  93. 437 amk for obama
    December 13, 2012 at 9:20 pm

    Disappointing event to wake up to. As usual, the dem pols showed their complete lack of backbone in their lack of openly supporting the president’s nominee.

    Also, I think Ms Rice gave up too early. She should have known that it was all political posturing and should have waited at least until the hearings. Then at least, many people would have known how disgusting the thugs are. This early withdrawal of her name would only encourage the rethugs more and it sets a dangerous precedent of a minority senate thwarting the president’s prerogative of appointing his own people to the cabinet.

    • 438 theo67
      December 14, 2012 at 1:45 am

      I don’t blame Ambassador Rice. She has two kids who will already have to read about McCain (who graduated near to the bottom of his class, and has never really accomplished anything more) telling the world that she’s “not that bright”. She saw that the Dems in the Senate were silent, and she went and talked to members of the Senate to sound them out, only to have Susan Collins make a hypocritical statement about her “politicking”. I don’t blame her for not wanting to erode her love of country any more than it might already have been, and not wanting to drag herself or her family through more disgusting mud from the GOP – many of whom aren’t even worthy to clean her boots.

  94. 439 squarepeg
    December 13, 2012 at 9:25 pm

    and now Dan Rather is shitting all over him.

  95. 440 Eleroy
    December 13, 2012 at 9:26 pm

    The President has not been re-elected and f*^%%ing Dan rather is suggesting he should have nominated Susan Rice immediately!!! WTF!!!

    He is not in his second term officially yet so CANNOT appoint any one yet!!!

    Secondly, Andrea Mitchell is a two-faced five pronged tongue triple talker!!! Now she goes on to defend Susan Rice’s honor and slyly alluding to Hillary’s role in Benghazi!!! Also Andrea Mitchell has already started dissing John Kerry!!! Wonders shall never cease my friends!!!

    • 441 Eleroy
      December 13, 2012 at 9:28 pm

      I meant to write that the President has not been formally inaugurated for his second term not re-elected!!!

    • 443 anniebella
      December 13, 2012 at 9:32 pm

      Yes I heard what that bastard Dan Rather had to say. I should have listen to my better judgement and not listen to Rather. I can not stand him.

    • 445 FoxfireTX
      December 13, 2012 at 9:39 pm

      He can announce his nominees at any time after the election. And HRC has said she will leave as soon as her replacement is ready. The confirmation process will not take place until January at the earliest when the new Senate is in place but she would have received a ton of advisors if PBO had announced her nomination. Those folks jump in immediately. In any event, it is now history. But I agree with AMK that this could set a very dangerous precedent.

      • 446 anniebella
        December 13, 2012 at 9:55 pm

        I don’t think it will set any dangerous precedent FoxfireTX.

        • 447 FoxfireTX
          December 13, 2012 at 11:34 pm

          I’m curious Anniebella why you think that. The McCains of the Senate will see this as a huge victory. You believe they will not do this again? Essentially they have picked PBO’s SoS. Now perhpas Kerry is/was PBO’s first choice but from their perspective they got what they wanted, Rice is out. If it worked this time, why wouldnn’t they try it again?

          • 448 theo67
            December 14, 2012 at 1:49 am

            You’ve clearly forgotten who is the President of the United States, and how he handles himself. Remember, John Boehner stated, after the last debt ceiling crisis, that he had gotten 98% of what he wanted. Does he look these days like a man who got 98% of what he wanted? Keep the faith.

  96. December 13, 2012 at 9:35 pm

    Don’t forget, their are a few Kennedys that could beat Scott Brown if need be, including Vikki Kennedy.
    All is not lost. If Kerry is appointed.

  97. December 13, 2012 at 9:35 pm

    Well, this instance once again exposes the rampant cowardice, sniveling, and backbiting that infects way too many keyboard warriors and self-proclaimed voices of the “left”. I could actually feel the air go out of them when President Obama won re-election, and their frustration that he wasn’t giving anything to bitch about, which explains the usual suspects going into orgasmic delight with the news of Susan Rice pulling herself out of consideration for SoS. And, of course, the primary target of the ire is President Obama. Not the lukewarm support from key democrats, not the so-called liberal press who had joined in with the right to drag Susan Rice’s name through the mud, which probably did more to influence Susan Rice’s decision than anything the Republicans did, but President Obama. There’s a lot of pent up “You should do this…” recriminations, a boatload of “He Caved, see!!!” that need to be tweeted out ad nauseam, because the past month has been agony for those on the “left” who just know so much better, if only President Obama would JUST LISTEN TO THEM!!!!

    • 453 anniebella
      December 13, 2012 at 9:48 pm

      I want alot of those complainers from the left to realize that if they had got their asses out to vote in 2010, Nancy Pelosi would still be speaker. You know the complainers who Andrea Mitchell were talking about who are so upset over this. Alot of these same people who are complaining now about POTUS caving over this Amb. Rice thing, are the one who didn’t vote in 2010 and it allow the Republicans to take over the House.

      • 454 anniebella
        December 13, 2012 at 10:00 pm

        Now we know why Michelle doesn’t want anything to do with politics. She sees all the B.S. her husband goes through from the right and the left.

    • 456 HZ
      December 13, 2012 at 10:56 pm

      Thanks for sharing this, Chips. One of my wonderful doctors is Jewish, and he had one display in his office of his Menorah, and when he entered my room, I told him that mine was late arriving via mail, because I ordered it from a special company in Jerusalem t hat friends had recommended. We had a great time in our exchange, and he quickly asked me if I had the jelly donuts, and I answered in the affirmative.

      Well, to make a long story short, as I was leaving his office, he came back to inform me of an in office test that he had just completed, then he came back and wished me a Happy Christmas and said, “Send me a photo of your menorah.” I said, “Yes, I will do that, doctor.”

      Great things are happening all over our country, in our communities, the world of nations(as my brother and friends just reminded me of all of this as they have just returned from another one of their great trips out of the country. So I close my evening with my lovely TOD family and our beautiful Chips with, “Let us be the change that we want to happen in our life and in our space as we travel this beautiful journey with our beautiful and brilliant President.” Trust me, Dr. Susan and all of the wonderful people that POB has chosen and will choose to serve this great country, will be just as classy as Amb. Dr. Susan Rice and our President were today inspite of the MSM clown. HZ

  98. December 13, 2012 at 9:41 pm

    Do you remember that presser that PBO did not too long ago? The press started in on the Susan Rice fragging and PBO lit up like a Christmas tree and practically said, bring it on.

    • December 13, 2012 at 10:07 pm

      I remember.

      Many have forgotten.

    • 459 HZ
      December 13, 2012 at 10:29 pm

      Exactly meta. He was not playing then and he is still not playing. And that is why RM segment with Ms. Mitchell was so phony and lying ugly. She saw how POB was so pissed off at the clowns about Amb. Rice, and this dried up cow came up with that mess.

      However, I am so joyful and elated that our POTUS has more class in one of his little toe nails that these depleted ugly souls. I am moving on with POB and yes, I will defend him when he is right and his team members, and I will pray wisdom, guidance, grace, and mercy when he finds himself in a situation where he needs it. HZ

  99. December 13, 2012 at 9:55 pm

    Friday Dec. 14, 2012
    10:30 AM
    Obama and Biden receive the presidential daily briefing.
    12:15 PM
    Obama signs H.R. 6156.
    12:30 PM
    Carney briefs the press.
    2:15 PM
    Michelle Obama visits the Children’s National Medical Center in Washington, D.C.
    3:30 PM
    Obama meets with Ambassador Susan Rice.

  100. 461 Lb4Obama
    December 13, 2012 at 9:56 pm

    Dan Rather and McCain need to join hands and ride off into the sunset of their golden years never to be given a stage on which to pontificate their crusty views again! FORWARD.

  101. 463 Jewelz
    December 13, 2012 at 10:04 pm

    For anyone interested in watching, Susan Rice is going to be on Brian Williams Rock Center (NBC) in a few minutes.

  102. December 13, 2012 at 10:07 pm

  103. 468 proudmemberofglobalzero
    December 13, 2012 at 10:09 pm

    Sent my tweet to Ambassador Rice. Just got home from a 12 hr shift on my feet…exhausted and angry about the GOP and media already. Turned off Rachel and scrolled through all your comments ….Just want to say…I agree with all of you.

    Good Night TOD family…

  104. 469 lisalovesobama
    December 13, 2012 at 10:11 pm

    Oh dear god. I’m gonna switch the station. O’donnell just brought up whether or not Rice was pushed or did she jump, then quickly went on. 🙄

    • 470 jacquelineoboomer
      December 13, 2012 at 10:30 pm

      Glad I tuned in late. Rubbish. If only there were some “original thought” out of any of them. One starts and the rest copy. No analysis or journalistic integrity. Un-freakin-believable.

  105. 471 lisalovesobama
    December 13, 2012 at 10:13 pm

    I haven’t been watching Scandal since it came back.

  106. 472 LunarSea
    December 13, 2012 at 10:14 pm

    Greetings all. I see emotions are running high.

    Anyway it’s really time we turned the tables, no? We should start hounding McStupid every chance we get. If we each commit to 3-5 tweets a day questioning his sanity and retweet them to our followers imagine how the narrative would change. Also any articles mentioning him with a discus account should receive dismissive posts on his mental health and stability.

    Care to join? Goodness knows I still have lots of material left over from ’08

    O/T I haven’t had time to go through the previous posts here, so forgive me if it’s been mentioned, but has anyone gotten word on Hachiko? She was to have an operation today? I hope things went well and the outcome is favorable.

  107. 473 lisalovesobama
    December 13, 2012 at 10:14 pm

    Holy shit! Where is the president on this show?!

  108. 474 Jessica
    December 13, 2012 at 10:18 pm

    Susan Rice would have been a good Sec of State but I’m not losing any sleep over this. Rice has a bright future and I trust both Rice and PBO’s judgement. We got more important things to worry about. Let’s keep pushing and move Forward.

  109. 477 lisalovesobama
    December 13, 2012 at 10:19 pm

    What the hell?! I’m totally lost. I need a site where I can catch up on season 2 of Scandal. :/

  110. 479 globalcitizenlinda
    December 14, 2012 at 8:07 am

    PBO and Ambassador Rice will have the last laugh on this.

    For the record, I am pissed at the baseless attacks on a brilliant public servant by racists self-important women-haters

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