Rise and Shine

President Obama and First Lady Michelle Obama attend the Kennedy Center Honors, Dec. 5, 2010 (Photo by Pete Souza)



5:20: The President delivers remarks at the Kennedy Center Honors Reception in the White House

7:30: The President and First Lady attend the Kennedy Center Honors


Monday: The President will host Prime Minister Boyko Borissov of Bulgaria at the White House

Tuesday: Meets with governors at the White House

Wednesday: Delivers remarks to members of the Business Roundtable and, later, delivers remarks at the 2012 Tribal Nations Conference

Thursday: The President and the First Family will attend the National Christmas Tree Lighting on the Ellipse (more here)

Friday: The President will attend meetings at the White House



The Sunday shows:

NBC’s Meet the Press: Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner; Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-MO); Sen. Bob Corker (R-TN); Grover Norquist, Americans for Tax Reform; Rep. Chris Van Hollen (D-MD); Jim Cramer, CNBC; Maria Bartiromo, CNBC

CBS’ Face the Nation: Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner; Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC); Sen. Dianne Feinstein (R-CA); Rep. Mike Rogers (R-MI); Mark Zandi, Moody’s Analytics; Maya MacGuineas, Campaign to Fix the Debt; Rana Foroohar, Time; John Dickerson, CBS and Slate

ABC’s This Week: Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner; Rep. Tom Cole, (R-OK); Rep. Keith Ellison (D-MN); Dan Senor, Council on Foreign Relations; Steven Rattner, former Lead Auto Adviser; Cokie Roberts, ABC

CNN’s State of the Union with Candy Crowley: Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner;  Sen. Mark Warner (D-VA); Sen. Kelly Ayotte (R-NH); Carly Fiorina, former CEO of Hewlett-Packard; Gov. Brian Schweitzer (D-MT); Susan Page, USA Today; A.B. Stoddard, The Hill


ThinkProgress: Before Obamacare, HIV-positive Americans often struggled to enroll in private insurance plans — but since insurers will no longer be able to discriminate against people with HIV based on their pre-existing condition, Obamacare will ensure that more HIV-positive individuals can access health care. Furthermore, the health law eliminates lifetime caps on coverage, so people with the virus won’t reach limits on the amount of HIV treatment their insurance companies are willing to cover for them. Obamacare also stipulates that HIV-positive Americans don’t have to have AIDS before accessing Medicaid coverage — an old requirement for participating in the program — so those with HIV won’t have to wait until they’re sicker before getting the health insurance they need.

More here


NYT: When President Obama was locked in painful spending negotiations with House Republicans last spring, his exceedingly meticulous budget director, Jacob J. Lew, went to the Oval Office to propose some complex budget changes. As Mr. Lew delved deeper and deeper into the numbers, Mr. Obama put up his hand, signaling him to stop.

“Jack, it’s fine,” the president said, according to Gene Sperling, Mr. Obama’s economics adviser, who witnessed the exchange. “I trust your values. I trust your judgment on this.”

Today Mr. Lew is the White House chief of staff (and on the shortlist to become the next Treasury secretary), and Mr. Obama has entrusted him with an even bigger task: guiding the White House through potentially treacherous negotiations with Congressional Republicans to avert automatic tax increases and spending cuts on Jan. 1…

Full article here


CongraaaAAAAaaaAAAaatulations Tally!


Completely random old video….

…. and pics:

The White House youth science fair, February 2012


Hey, another completely random pic:


Mooooooorning everyone – another busy-ish Sunday, but I’ll be dropping in and out through the day to say helloooooooo.

299 Responses to “Rise and Shine”

  1. December 2, 2012 at 8:15 am

    Good Morning all and happy Sunday.

  2. 16 hopefruit2
    December 2, 2012 at 8:18 am

    G’morning Chips, TOD, lurkers everyone, and congratulations africa on #1! 🙂

  3. December 2, 2012 at 8:24 am

    Goooood mooooorninggg, Chips and TODville!! Pouring rain here on the West Coast!!

  4. 29 vcprezofan2
    December 2, 2012 at 8:31 am

    Wait a minute! Is that Ms Chips rising and shining so ‘early’ on a Sunday morning? Okay. level with me, what’s up? Have you gone to bed YET, Chips? Inquiring mind wants to know!

    Good Morning, TODobots! Yes, I’ve been told that I shouldn’t look a gift horse in the mouth….but why not? A gift horse is unlikely to be live so his/her teeth won’t be able to snap at me.
    Oops! Almost forgot. …..A very ‘Good Sunday Morning’ to you, Chips Chica! 😆 😆 😆

  5. 34 dotster3
    December 2, 2012 at 8:34 am

    Perfect summary of this show

  6. 35 hopefruit2
    December 2, 2012 at 8:34 am

    That completely random pic of PBO – YUM. Chips I know that you are hiding those completely random pics of PBO somewhere in a safe. My mission is to gain entry into that safe and completely raid the pictures so that I can have my own collection! Even if I spend the rest of my life in jail.

    • December 2, 2012 at 8:41 am

      Huh, it’s unbreakable-in-to Hopefruit!! 🙂

    • 43 vcprezofan2
      December 2, 2012 at 8:57 am

      Good Morning, Hopef. I’ll take care of your stash for you while you are serving your time. You wouldn’t want to leave something like that lying around in TODville, even though the citizenry here is honest. Too much temptation.

      • 44 hopefruit2
        December 2, 2012 at 9:03 am

        Ha! You are very kind vc – and very clever too! If you help me crack the safe code, I will entrust you with my treasured stash of random pics. 🙂 🙂

        • December 2, 2012 at 9:10 am

          Oi, I see you two plotting.

        • 46 vcprezofan2
          December 2, 2012 at 9:31 am

          Hopefruit, as a very good friend I wouldn’t wish to minimize, or intrude upon, your excitement and joy in completing this mission on your own. Think of your sense of accomplishment! I’m merely offering to hold the stash for you so that you won’t mislay, or god forbid tarnish, any while you are celebrating your success in pulling off the heist. Also, should the alarm go off and the mayoress’ goons converge on the scene, passing them off to me immediately would ensure their safety. COS is a collector so I’m not sure it’d be a good idea to team up in that direction. For a job like this, I would think the fewer people who knew the plans, the better your chances of success. Just saying.

  7. December 2, 2012 at 8:39 am

    • December 2, 2012 at 10:13 am

      Morning Meta, People need to realize that just working every weekend of the year is 104 days – the House only exceeded that by 5 days this year. It is outrageous!

    • 49 idon
      December 2, 2012 at 11:43 am

      Boehner’s congressional salry is $223,500.00 annually. Cantor’s annual salary is $193,400.00. The annual base salary for all other congressional members is $174,000.00 annually. If they work only 126 days next year, how much will it cost the American taxpayer per day?

      • 50 0388jojothecat
        December 2, 2012 at 4:58 pm

        Too much even if it’s over $1…..They really want to be known as THE MOST DO NOTHING REPUBLICAN CONGRESS.

  8. 51 vcprezofan2
    December 2, 2012 at 8:40 am

    I really LIKE that Christmas scene picture with Pres O in the shadow of the evergreen. Another bit of Souza genius, no doubt! I like the picture above it too, with my President strolling so casually in the forefront while dressed a bit more than casually.

  9. 52 vcprezofan2
    December 2, 2012 at 8:42 am

    BTW, Tally, I didn’t know you owned a winning team, ..or played on it? Hmmmm. 😆 😆 Congrats on your achievements then!

  10. 53 utaustinliberal
    December 2, 2012 at 8:43 am

    Bruce Bartlett is killing it on Up With Chris. He was Reagan’s budget guy and has been advocating for a while about raising taxes on the wealthy. He gets pissed at republicans who pretend that Reagan never raised taxes eleven times. He is taking on Veronique de Rugy’s GOP BS and lobbing it right back at her. It is must see TV.

    She was spinning nonsense about how raising taxes on the wealthy will screw the economy and Bartlett jumped in and told her “Your ideas are so goddamn dogmatic!!!” The universe froze for five seconds. 😀

    • December 2, 2012 at 8:44 am

      It must be weird to wake up with a stagnant mind every morning like the entire GOP. They haven’t changed their tune in decades.

    • December 2, 2012 at 8:46 am

      For a second there you almost heard a pin drop. You could hear the frustration in his voice. That was good.

    • 59 Bill
      December 2, 2012 at 9:06 am

      That was a beautiful moment. De Rugy is with the rwnj Cato Institute.

      • 60 Left-Indie
        December 2, 2012 at 2:22 pm

        The Koch brother’s money has infected George Mason University now. They are infecting many other schools as well. Anytime I see someone on tv saying they’re with George Mason U, I don’t have to wait too long to hear the “libertarian” but really Koch talking points spilling out of their mouths. Ditto this De Rugy chick.

    • December 2, 2012 at 11:49 am

      Your descriptions of the Sunday shows are a treasure to me, UT. I savor and look forward to them. This one was particularly brilliant, thank you for bringing it forward from the previous thread…saved me the trouble.

    • 63 theo67
      December 2, 2012 at 2:12 pm

      My brain can’t take listening to GOP lies or the media’s enabling of those lies anymore. Life’s too short. The President said, during his campaign and many times before then, that the GOP economic philosophies have been tried for a decade, and they haven’t shown any positive results. The evidence shows that tax cuts for the rich has done nothing to improve job creation or the plight of the middle class. In fact, the middle class has continued to decline while the rich have had it beautifully easy. Bottom line – if they could afford to donate a billion dollars to Romney’s losing campaign, then they can afford to help the country recover and reinvest.

      • 64 utaustinliberal
        December 2, 2012 at 2:26 pm

        THIS—-> “Bottom line – if they could afford to donate a billion dollars to Romney’s losing campaign, then they can afford to help the country recover and reinvest.”

        Awesome take on the issues Theo.

  11. December 2, 2012 at 8:52 am

    Good morning Chips and TOD family. I hope everyone have a wonderful day today. Congrats Africa on being 1st.

  12. 68 Ceb
    December 2, 2012 at 8:55 am

    Good morning TOD ohana and Lurkers.

  13. 69 utaustinliberal
    December 2, 2012 at 9:09 am

    Thanks for the article on Jack Lew, Chips. I have always been fascinated with him as a person and a budget policy wonk. He’s very unassuming and not full of flash and sparkles but that under the radar character has helped him a lot. I like that he’s always had a no drama personality when discussing budget issues but is at the same time a warrior when fighting for the middle-class, fighting for the elderly, fighting for students, and fighting for fairness. He would be perfect as Treasury Secretary and also perfect if he was to choose to remain as Chief of Staff. He is most definitely one to watch.

    p.s. When he discusses budget policy, taxes, tax reform at budget think tank round tables or on Sunday political shows, he never makes it boring. It is complex to be sure but he makes it so fascinating for one to watch and listen.

  14. December 2, 2012 at 9:21 am

    I have risen and I am shining.

    Good Morning All!

  15. 73 Don
    December 2, 2012 at 9:25 am

    President Obama and Jack Lew share the same trait of not having an ego. Beware of the man that does not have an ego.

    • 74 jacquelineoboomer
      December 2, 2012 at 1:49 pm

      Love that. And they don’t normally compete with others; just keep trying to beat their own personal best. And the results are remarkable. I’m for the man (and woman) that is not led by an ego.

  16. 75 prettyfoot58
    December 2, 2012 at 9:29 am

    Goodddddddddddddd Morning…MsChipss….GM everyone…..

    i love PBO at the science exhibition at the white house…..he is so kool…..hahahaha…i suppose that is bit of an understatement.. 🙂

    MsChips i am so loving these random videos and pics…..

  17. 76 utaustinliberal
    December 2, 2012 at 9:34 am

    Tim Geithner and Pres. Obama aren’t screwing around. The GOP should be very afraid when watching this video.

    • December 2, 2012 at 9:45 am

      Geithner is a very loyal servant to the President and the American People. I have not agreed with everything he has done, but he has busted his ass trying to help America Recover. As a result, He deserves to have our gratitude on the way out!

    • December 2, 2012 at 11:57 am

      ‘Speak softly and carry a big stick’ Geithner.

    • 79 theo67
      December 2, 2012 at 2:24 pm

      This is the message that the GOP need to hear. The status quo is to go off the cliff, as designed in the agreement that Boehner and his caucus made in 2010 when they got 98% of what they wanted. So, no action will fulfill that 98% agreement that they made. If Boehner and his caucus want to make a deal that changes the status quo, then they need to actually propose something. And since every single one of their presidential candidates in 2012 vowed that they would not even accept a deal that had a 10:1 ratio of cuts to revenue, and their party lost – then the negotiating terms need to be the opposite of what they were offering to the American people – who soundly rejected their tax-cut-only proposals. I’m glad Geithner said there will be no deal without tax rate increases on the wealthy. It can’t get any plainer than that.

  18. 80 andogriff
    December 2, 2012 at 9:36 am

    Good morning everyone, ‘morning Ms Chips! Congrats on first, africa…I have been busy lately, but try to read through everything at night the same as you do! Hope everyone has a lovely Sunday, and a good week ahead. Anyone know how Fred is doing?

  19. December 2, 2012 at 9:37 am

    Interesting, Dan Señor is on a Sunday show bashing the President. This is the Guy who was in charge of Post 2003 Iraqi invasion, later Romney Senior adviser, later Paul Ryan COS.
    Really? Can’t the Sunday Show find somebody else who hates the President? Why keep this Guy alive in the news cycle?

  20. 85 utaustinliberal
    December 2, 2012 at 9:41 am

    • December 2, 2012 at 10:06 am

      OMG, that’s hysterical!!

      “your irrelevance is underwhelming me”!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • 87 theo67
      December 2, 2012 at 2:37 pm

      I think all the Obama-voters feel this way. The arrogance of the right wing is astounding. When they were soundly defeated in 2008, President Obama tried to throw them a lifeline because the country was in a crisis (the whole world, in fact). He wanted the country to pull together. Instead of putting the country first, they put politics first, and slowed the recovery. When Democrats lost in 2010, the President accepted the will of the people, as misguided as it was, and still managed to push the recovery to continue, despite the ridiculous brakes applied by the GOP. Now, as the President has the country (and all thinking people) behind him, and the GOP have proven that they don’t care about the people of this country or the country’s future – he’s going to play hardball. I think all the second chances have been exhausted. The GOP have no idea how to govern, and with their opening gambit against Ambassador Rice, they have triggered a smackdown that will be of epic proportion. Hence, Sec. Geithner’s hardball. It’s a beauty to behold.

  21. 88 Bill
    December 2, 2012 at 9:42 am

    Senator Corker (R-TN) told David Gregory he does not believe President Obama will nominate Susan Rice as SOS. What the heck does he know? Nothing, I would guess.

  22. December 2, 2012 at 9:45 am

    I’m still trying to figure out why they can’t find a new cast of characters. Grover Norquist should go the way of Mitt Romney and disappear. He is a nonstarter. Why are they still giving him airtime? Also, Chips I’ve been looking for the picture shown on CBS this morning of the President helping Mrs O with her shoes shown during Gayle King interview. The picture was hanging on the wall but somehow never made it to flickr. If you have can you share?

  23. 94 utaustinliberal
    December 2, 2012 at 10:04 am

    Pres. Obama is not joking.

    • December 2, 2012 at 10:09 am

      We’ve done this dance already and PBO is MOVING ON. Boehner and McConnell and the rest of their clowns are yammering like idiots and the only people propping them up are the sycophants in the media.

      • December 2, 2012 at 10:17 am

        Like Gregory, who seems Panicky at the thought of his taxes going up.

      • December 2, 2012 at 10:24 am

        This pledge to not raise taxes makes no sense to me. By not agreeing to raise taxes on the the elite 1%, they are raising taxes on everyone. Isn’t that violating that silly tax pledge too?

        • December 2, 2012 at 10:32 am

          Of course, but the GOP rationalizes that by believing that the real goal is to cut programs and shrink government. It’s a con game.

          • December 2, 2012 at 10:40 am

            I think it is sad that voters did not squash all GOP House members like bugs so we could set about resolving all our problems.

            • December 2, 2012 at 10:56 am

              What’s even more serious for Dems is that we didn’t inform voters in 2010 that the census would affect re-districting. We really screwed ourselves for the foreseeable future. I know Nancy Smash did her best but it’s hard to see how we win back the House in these conditions.

  24. 101 hopefruit2
    December 2, 2012 at 10:15 am

  25. 103 lisalovesobama
    December 2, 2012 at 10:23 am

    Apparently, the repukes went to Obama school and took notes about how to run a successful campaign. Bastards. I hate that we have share the wealth of information on how to run good campaigns. The only good thing though is that a good campaign begins and ends with a good candidate whom people are willing to work for come hell or high water, so repukes can learn all they want about our strategy, it won’t help them if they don’t change their ideas or have good candidates:


    • December 2, 2012 at 10:31 am

    • 105 prettyfoot58
      December 2, 2012 at 10:40 am

      why is that being shares…is it a matter of ego/why do you share info with the enemy…i do not understand this

      • 106 vcprezofan2
        December 2, 2012 at 11:49 am

        why do you share info with the enemy?
        Just a thought, PF58, maybe the Senior Dems really do believe in the one nation concept and do not see the Repubs as ‘enemies’. Maddow said something in a video recently posted here that made a lot of sense to me. Roughly paraphrased she said the nation needs two strong parties, putting their heads/ideas together to govern (when they are not in a campaign).

        • 107 prettyfoot58
          December 2, 2012 at 12:05 pm

          that is discussion in the abstract….

          talk to those women who have to undergo an ultrasound in order to get an abortion…talk to those voters who had to stand in line 4 or more hours in order to vote…talk to the public workers who lost their jobs because of the austerity of the GOP and their war on public workers’ unions…..for the Dems to have a dialogue with Rs about policy is one thing/to talk to them about strategy for winning elections is something else…

          The policies of GOP are here for us to see…they are being played out in the current fiscal discussions…if the GOP never achieves the WH it is good for the country/and taking back the HOUSE will require Ds to take back the state houses across the country

          • 108 vcprezofan2
            December 2, 2012 at 12:15 pm

            ‘if the GOP never achieves the WH it is good for the country/and taking back the HOUSE will require Ds to take back the state houses across the country’

            You’ll get no arguments from me on this, and yes ‘this is a discussion in the abstract’. However, as you and Carolyn et al have already mentioned it will take more than strategies for the GOP to win – assuming they fight fairly. IMO they will need fairly decent policies going forward as well as ‘good’ candidates, because I do think that as well as sharing their strategies (a good way to show they are bipartisan?) the Obama Admin is gradually pulling the scales off many previously glazed political eyes.

        • 109 theo67
          December 2, 2012 at 3:00 pm

          I totally agree with you, VC. If the GOP don’t have a way out of the corner they’ve painted themselves into, then how will things ever change? Helping them learn a new way of politicking, and a new way of engaging voters will eventually lead to a better debate and a more open and rational discussion of policies. They’ve been doing things this way for a generation – under Newt Gingrich’s model of politics. The fact that some of them are enrolling in President Obama’s version of politics is a very encouraging sign. Sanity must prevail.

          • 110 vcprezofan2
            December 2, 2012 at 3:04 pm

            Hello there, Theo, haven’t seen or heard from you in a bit! Was it something I said? 😉 😆 (Kidding – I saw your comment where you were off celebrating Thanksgiving.)

            • 111 theo67
              December 2, 2012 at 3:23 pm

              I’ve been lurking to some degree (busy week at work) and checking in late at night. Got your email last week – so I’ll be emailing you this week about the flights. The inauguration is getting closer! 🙂

    • 113 Bill
      December 2, 2012 at 11:10 am

      Considering the Republican base consists of angry old white men it will be dificult for them to build a strong ground game. They care about raging among themselves not working for a candidate.

      • 114 carolyn
        December 2, 2012 at 11:18 am

        Even if they copy the strategy, it won’t make a big difference. They don’t get the heart and soul, which is a good candidate. I keep remembering what Harvey Weinstein said on Rachel’s show early this fall, when she was deeply concerned about all the money the Republicans had available. He told her to remember the Edsel. With the best PR campaign possible, Ford couldn’t sell it, because it was an inferior product. That is the crux of the matter…..what your product is, and the Repukes do not have good products, and fortunately, people are catching on. They can’t ever mimic the PBO campaign because they don’t have the heart and don’t understand that they don’t.

        • 115 prettyfoot58
          December 2, 2012 at 11:32 am

          With the best PR campaign possible, Ford couldn’t sell it, because it was an inferior product. That is the crux of the matter…..what your product is, and the Repukes do not have good products, and fortunately, people are catching on. They can’t ever mimic the PBO campaign because they don’t have the heart and don’t understand that they don’t.



    • December 2, 2012 at 12:04 pm

      I just keep reading this quote over and over: “We weren’t even running in the same race,” one downtrodden Romney aide told BuzzFeed after hearing the details of the Obama operation. “They were just amazing.”

  26. 117 hopefruit2
    December 2, 2012 at 10:30 am

    Zizi has posted an excellent diary at Old Orange on Geithner’s statements on tax hikes on the Sunday shows. If you still go there – please tip and rec.


  27. 120 utaustinliberal
    December 2, 2012 at 10:30 am

    Tim Geithner has been kicking GOP ass all morning.

  28. December 2, 2012 at 10:30 am

    Btw- Chris Wallace gave a very tough interview with Boner. Wallace impresses me with his interviewing skills. Just saying!

    • 123 anniebella
      December 2, 2012 at 10:43 am

      jovie141, Maybe alittle of Chris Wallace’s dad is creeping through. Would be nice if alittle of Luke Russert’s dad would creep through him, maybe he would learn alittle something.

      • 125 Nena20409
        December 2, 2012 at 11:44 am

        Luke Russert is ONLY but 27/28…..no doubt growing, even though he lost his dad on June 13, 2008. He can ONLY get better.

        Chris Wallace is over 65yrs old. His dad passed away at 92/95. His dad on a program on C-SPAN.org in April 5 or 20 2005, was appalled that Chris Went to work for Fox. Now with his dad, gone, perhaps, Wallace has decided to get back to what his dad had taught him?

        • December 2, 2012 at 12:53 pm

          He’s been doing this for a while now. His interview during the Republican primary with Romney was brutal.

        • 127 anniebella
          December 2, 2012 at 1:32 pm

          I don’t care how old either one of them are. Specially that young punk Luke Russert. I don’t watch Fox, and the times I have seen Luke Russert, I am not a fan of his.

          • 128 anniebella
            December 2, 2012 at 1:36 pm

            Honestly, I don’t like Luke Russert. That question he asked Nancy Pelosi about maybe it was time for her to step aside and let some young blood step up and lead. He never have said that to any of those old white Republican men.

            • 129 theo67
              December 2, 2012 at 3:30 pm

              And he doubled down on that stupidity the next day, Anniebella. He’s a pundit debutante, with doors opening for him simply because of his father. It’s an opportunity few people get in life, and he’s chosen to fall on the wrong side of history.

    • December 2, 2012 at 11:04 am

      Good Morning Chips and TOD Family. Beautiful overcast morning out here. Meta please be careful as you are north of where I am. I pray we will all be fine when all is done.

      Morning and healing love sent out to Fred and to Jackie’s sister. (((((( We Lift You Both up with Love))))

      Chips, thanks for the article on Jack Lew. I love that man because he is so respectful to the POTUS, and he is so darn brilliant. Either job would be fine with me. However, I do hope he will get Treasury Sec. I love my Tim, and hate to see him leaving. But he has served POB and the people greatly during these times.

      I love the photo of POB in the Oval Office. It speaks to my heart saying ,”The lovely and beautiful Brush of the Creator’s Art Work” is blessing POB. Be blessed everyone, and may your Sunday be filled with thoughts of your many joys right before you. Have a wonderful day. (((((((((( I love you all))))))) HZ

      • December 2, 2012 at 11:30 am

        Good morning, dear HZ. Hope your day is full with an unexpected pop of bliss.

        The rain was very intense for a couple of hours this morning. There may be some serious flooding up north in the wine country.

  29. 132 amk for obama
    December 2, 2012 at 10:48 am

    Glad to see Obama surrogates are out there, not taking the rethug & msm crap.

  30. 133 Smoothscotch
    December 2, 2012 at 11:02 am

    Good Sunday morning all. Congrats to early bird. Guess I missed a lot over the last wk.

  31. December 2, 2012 at 11:04 am

    I am pretty sure if I ever met Grover Norquist, I would push his buttons until he took a swing at me.
    At that point, I would give Him a shoulder block and break his elbow.
    That is all!

    • 135 Nena20409
      December 2, 2012 at 11:47 am

      Sorry Jovie…..but Grover Norquist looks like one of those who can talk, but when pushed and challenged, he runs to hide. His so called tax pledge was coined at age 12. What else has he done since age 12?

      • 136 theo67
        December 2, 2012 at 3:34 pm

        You mean this country (and the world economy) is being held hostage to a pledge written by a teenager over 40 years ago? Why are the GOP not humiliated by that fact?!

  32. December 2, 2012 at 11:12 am

    Good Morning OD!
    Grover is starting to feel the pressure of his own party. These Republicans make me sick they act like Reagan didn’t raise taxes maybe they need a history lesson.

    • 138 Nena20409
      December 2, 2012 at 11:49 am

      Reagan raised taxed, 11 times and he was the 1st $1T in debt POTUS. He was the 1st that actually started raiding the Social Security Funds…….it began on Oct 31st 1981. Tip O’Neill OKed that.

      • 139 theo67
        December 2, 2012 at 3:36 pm

        Didn’t the Congress just honor Tip O’Neill last week with a building named after him or something. One has to wonder what Congress actually thinks their jobs are all about.

  33. December 2, 2012 at 11:20 am

    I know, let’s make the income threshold $269,999.99? DEAL!!

  34. December 2, 2012 at 11:44 am

    Howdy Everybody! Happy Sunday!!

  35. 142 dudette9t9
    December 2, 2012 at 11:46 am

    Even the rich and famous get screwed in Florida’s 2012 election debacle

  36. 143 dudette9t9
    December 2, 2012 at 11:49 am

  37. 144 dudette9t9
    December 2, 2012 at 11:50 am

  38. 145 prettyfoot58
    December 2, 2012 at 11:52 am

  39. 147 dudette9t9
    December 2, 2012 at 11:52 am

  40. 151 JER
    December 2, 2012 at 12:14 pm

    • 152 utaustinliberal
      December 2, 2012 at 12:46 pm

      It’s so fascinating how they build these platforms/stands every four years and then immediately take them down after the inauguration.

      • December 2, 2012 at 1:16 pm

        People on twitter are whining that it is a waste of money that should go to the poor for food. I see it as jobs, where the money goes to the people doing the work. Hope they reuse the lumber, maybe donate it to Habitat for Humanity.

        • 154 theo67
          December 2, 2012 at 3:45 pm

          Unless those people have complained every four years, then their protests are ridiculous. Their President is being inaugurated – and their have only been 43 other inaugurations before him in the history of this country. That’s a pretty big deal. It’s history. And it should not be undermined.

  41. 155 carla4obama
    December 2, 2012 at 12:17 pm

    CBS Face The Nation…not sure why our Senator from California is listed as a R and not a D: Sen. Dianne Feinstein (R-CA).

  42. 158 prettyfoot58
    December 2, 2012 at 12:19 pm

    Why the Republicans can’t propose a plan/Smartypants

    …First of all, we know from the reporting done during the presidential campaign that Romney’s idea of limiting deductions on things like charitable giving and home mortgages can’t raise enough revenue without socking it to the middle class…

    …On the spending side, Romney also blew it on how Republicans talk about Medicare.


  43. 159 dudette9t9
    December 2, 2012 at 12:25 pm

  44. 160 dudette9t9
    December 2, 2012 at 12:48 pm

    Guys, you will LOVE this! 🙂
    Shaggy Celebrity Story on Red Chair Graham Norton Show

  45. 163 dudette9t9
    December 2, 2012 at 12:52 pm

    Great ‘toon!

    • 164 theo67
      December 2, 2012 at 3:59 pm

      The real irony is that the bottom 98% won’t be impacted at all by the top tax rate reverting back to the old rates, other than to have better investments for their country and a chance for them to prosper. The people who’ve been feasting like kings for the past 40 years need to give back, because they have nothing to show for all that feasting except becoming greedy fat cats.

  46. 165 lamh36
    December 2, 2012 at 12:57 pm

    Good morning guys. Sorry this is so long, I just wanted to update ya’ll on some big and great news I’ve just got to share. I’m breaking this up into 2 comments so that it’s not too long.

    So I’ve had the most life-changing ½ year, month, week, 4 day, whatever I’ve ever had since well Hurricane Katrina I guess. If ya’ll remember, my mom had a heart attack in July. We moved her to NOLA in August, and since then, her health has been good, but it’s been up and down (tingling feet, 2 bouts of bronchitis, retaining too much fluid). She was officially diagnosed with congestive heart failure about 1 month ago and on the 10th of this month, she’s going to be going into the hospital to get a defibrillator implanted in her chest (think it’s called: Implantable cardioverter-defibrillator or ICD) because her heart’s beats per minute are not what they should be.

    So even before my mom’s health issues, I’d been contemplating moving back to the NOLA area and be closer to my extended family. With my mom’s subsequent move to NOLA, I went from contemplation to certainty I had been sporadically looking for work in my field in NOLA, but since her illness, I’d been actively looking. I’ve applied to at least 2 or 3 Microbiology jobs in the city itself, but I either heard nothing back from the companies, or I heard back from a recruiter, but I didn’t really like what I heard. I fully expected that I was going to have to apply for jobs outside my lab specialty which would mean less money for sure and having to learn a completely new set of skills that I haven’t utilized since Med Tech School. But early last month right after Election Day, I applied for a job in Microbiology at a private hospital in Baton Rouge. I heard back directly from the Microbiology supervisor (which is unusual, you normally hear from HR recruitment rep first) and had a really nice prelim conversation with her on the phone and she seemed extremely impressed with my credentials and experience over the phone and next thing I knew, I had an interview scheduled for the Friday after Thanksgiving (this past Friday). So I was home from NOLA for Thanksgiving and back in Baton Rouge the next weekend.

    • 166 lamh36
      December 2, 2012 at 12:58 pm

      Anyway, to shorten the story a bit, I went to the interview Friday, and it lasted 2 hours. I interviewed with the Microbiology Supervisor and her Asst Supervisor. I had a “peer to peer” interview with 2 of the techs who work in the Micro lab and I also had a meeting with the HR Recruiter. It went really well. It didn’t really feel like an interview, it felt like I had already had the job and was just meeting my new co-workers. The whole interview experience made me feel like I could def see myself working there. If ya’ll remember, the biggest issue I had with moving back to NOLA/BR was the pay rate. I made a really good amount in DFW and from what I’d heard was that the pay back home just wasn’t what I had been used to making in DFW. Well part of the interview involving the HR rep involved a detailed discussion of salary, which I thanked the recruiter for, since I’ve never had any possible employer broach the subject on their own, I was actually a little conflicted on when is the best time to ask about pay. Well guess what? The pay range that was quoted to me was less than I make now, but not really as much as I thought, so I was very encouraged by what I’d heard and as I said, I was very confident that the interview went well. I thanked the recruiter and the Micro Supervisor for letting me interview and whether or not I get the job, I really did enjoy the whole interview process.

      2 hours later, while I was on the road driving on my way back to NOLA with my mom and sister, the recruiter called me and offered me the job. The offer included the pay rate and the pay rate quoted was only $0.15 less than what I make currently!!! I asked the recruiter if it was okay for me to get back to her by tomorrow with my decision since I was returning to DFW the next day. So it looks like I am moving back home to NOLA, well Baton Rouge! It only took 8 years after Katrina, but I’m going to finally be back with my fam. It’s bittersweet because I’ve met some really great people and I think I’ve made some lifelong friendship here in DFW, but with my mom’s illness and all my family being in one place, it’s the best thing for me. Besides, Baton Rouge is far enough away from NOLA that it gives me breathing room when I need to be alone and unreachable from my large, loud, obnoxious, loving, close-knit extended family.

      So now I have to start the relocation process. I know where I should begin, but I still not sure where to actually start. So any words of wisdom and experience you got would be greatly appreciated. The last relocation I did was actually an evacuation and as you can guess it’s a lot different to evacuate and never return and to actually voluntary relocate.

      • December 2, 2012 at 1:19 pm

        Congratulations lamh!!! Could not be happy for you, your mom and your family.

        As to relocation, work with the HR person to ensure you have understood what they will cover in terms of relocation expenses and seek her help as to mover, housing that is suitable to your income level and close to hospital as possible thereby saving you commuting expenses and, even if relatively temporary, will provide you more time to get settled in your new job and life, rather than wasting a bunch of time commuting. They seem very professional and reasonable so you’re likely to have a good experience, but always get everything committed to you, in writing, before giving notice to your current employer.


        • 168 lamh36
          December 2, 2012 at 1:33 pm

          Thanks Bobfr.

          I think ask the recruiter if they were any relocation help provided, but she said that they only do that for upper management hires. But she did arrange for me to be able to start later next month so that I will have a lil less than 2 months to relocate. Since I was driving at the time that the HR recruiter called and extended the offer, I had her email me the offer and the salary terms so that I could get back to her on Monday, and so I can have it so that I can have some record of the pay offered. Since I’m in DFW all of our correspondence will be by email so that way I can have some “written” evidence of all terms discussed.

          As for the actual move, that’s not too much I have to do. My family lives in NOLA, BR is only 45 min away (with good traffic). I also don’t really have much to move with me that I can’t just leave or give to Salvation Army or Goodwill, so the actual move itself won’t really require a moving van, I’ve been looking at replacing the majority of my furniture anyway but I’m been putting it off until now. Now I can just bite that bullet and go ahead and get some new furniture.

        • 172 cookemom
          December 2, 2012 at 1:40 pm

          excellent advice Bobfr. The only thing I can add to lamh36 is congratulations, good luck on the move, and enjoy the process of fulfilling your dreams. That part about getting it in writing is crucial, including your negotiated start date.

        • December 2, 2012 at 2:01 pm

          ^^^could not be HAPPIER for you^^^^^

          typing too darn fast 😉

      • December 2, 2012 at 1:29 pm

        WOW!!!!!!!! Wonderful. I’m so thrilled for you.

      • 175 mtmarilyn
        December 2, 2012 at 1:35 pm

        Congratulations, Lamh!!!! You kept working at what you wanted to do and it is working out. Now come the details. Good luck!

      • 176 dudette9t9
        December 2, 2012 at 1:39 pm

        First of all congratulations on the new job, lamh! That is FANTASTIC news! I’m sure it’ll be so comforting to your mom to have you nearby. Also great news that she’s getting good care and treatment.

        Relocation is a bear indeed. In your case, one positive is that you’re returning (at least close to) “home” as opposed to going someplace completely unknown. A few of tips: Do whatever you can to minimize your stress and your expenses related to the move. Enlist help/advice from everyone/every group you can think of and use the best ideas. Seek out some good checklists and local/community news. If it’s feasible for your situation, avoid tying yourself down to living in a particular area until you feel you know the neighborhoods well enough to stick with a choice – rent first (or stay with friends/family until you get a lay of the land).

        You and your family are in my thoughts and prayers!

      • December 2, 2012 at 1:50 pm

        Hey congrats Lamh36! I’m happy for you!

      • 179 lamh36
        December 2, 2012 at 2:21 pm

        my current schedule is 7 on and 7 off. so the good thing is that I have every other week to drive to BR and look for apartment, then to move things bit by bit until the day I turn over my keys to my current apartment and drive away from DFW if not forever, then for the foreseeable future.

        the most stressful part right now is deciding when to turn in my resignation. I’d like to give my job a full month since due to my schedule I only really work 2 full weeks a month and because my current team job is really a good group of people.

        The other stressful part is the fact that I still have like 7 months left on my current apartment lease. So I’ll have to “break my lease” when I move. And the leasing contract says if you move out early you have to fulfill the entire term of the leasing contract! I don’t have that kinda of money, so I’m hoping for some sort of first and last month settlement payment.

        • 180 vcprezofan2
          December 2, 2012 at 2:46 pm

          What great news, lamh36! I remember back when you first started to look, so it feels good to hear that you’ve found something that works for you in all areas. Congratulations and best wishes as you take another step forward!

      • 181 Smoothscotch
        December 2, 2012 at 2:41 pm

        Wow, excellent news and congratulations. You know, there was 1 line in your comments above that I’m going to borrow for my son to use after interviews, “even tho I may not get the job, thank you for the interview”, I like it .

        • 182 carolyn
          December 2, 2012 at 2:50 pm

          IAMH……so glad your mother will be getting an ICD. My husband had one implanted on Thursday. The difference in him already is amazing! He too has congestive heart failure and such a low rate of heart pumping, he was not himself. These work! The doctor told him that next week he will feel like a new man, and today already when I asked him how he felt, he said: “I feel good!” I haven’t heard that in months. I’m so glad for your mother, and for Medicare!!!
          Your life is busy, you are going through great changes, but these changes all sound positive! Give my encouragement to your mom.

      • December 2, 2012 at 2:57 pm

        Congratulations! Lamh36

      • 184 theo67
        December 2, 2012 at 4:09 pm

        lamh – Congratulations! Not only a great job, but being able to be closer to your family. As for the relocation – the HR department may still be able to point you to relocation services that they work with you would be familiar with the company and the location (and would serve you well so they retain the company as a customer), and you might even be able to utilize some of their discounts.

        When I relocated from Canada to California, I didn’t have to think of anything or do anything – they packed up my old place and unpacked everything in my new place, put me up in a hotel before I left and temporary housing when I arrived, helped me find a place to live in the new place, supported me with buying a car, opening a bank account and a new place to live (since I didn’t have any credit in the US), organized a car rental and post office box, dealt with immigration, bought my air tickets and gave me a stipend to tide me over with any additional expenses. They also had a club for newly relocated people for socializing and stuff, to help get acquainted with the area and meet new people. You may not be able to take advantage of all that stuff, but even just getting some of the service offerings or getting connected with reliable people will help.

      • 187 sjterrid
        December 4, 2012 at 7:21 pm

        Lamh I don’t know if you will see this, since it’s now the 4th. I just wanted you to know that I’m so happy that you got the job, and will be going back to NOLA. I also hope that your mother’s operation is successful, and makes a full recovery. You are both in my thoughts and prayers.

  47. 188 Bill
    December 2, 2012 at 12:58 pm

    Governor Brian Schweitzer (D-MT) told CNN he has a warm regard for people in Iowa and NH. Sounding as though he might be considering a presidential run in 2016.

    • 189 mtmarilyn
      December 2, 2012 at 1:38 pm

      I don’t think he will run for President, we are hoping he will run for Senator to replace Baucus. We are hoping Baucus retires.

  48. December 2, 2012 at 1:11 pm

    Crystal clear …


  49. 192 Melanie
    December 2, 2012 at 1:19 pm

    • 193 utaustinliberal
      December 2, 2012 at 1:28 pm

      *Cough* Strategy session. McAuliffe is a candidate for VA Gov. right? 😉

    • 194 4morefor44
      December 2, 2012 at 2:33 pm

      ackkkkk!!! i really hope president obama understands what terry mcauliffe is all about. we CAN NOT allow the clintonistas like mcauliffe, lanny davis, mark penn, and so on, to take control of the democratic party again. they are wolf’s in sheeps clothing for the super rich, and that’s based upon decades of watching their actions. i’m noticing a lot of this hillary in 2016 stuff in the media and (probably) paid instigators in a lot of comments sections all pushing it incessantly, just as they did in the early 2000s when they began planting the “hillary as inevitable” theme. mcauliffe rearing his ugly head again is just part of the process.

      we need those who are part of the obama revolution to keep control of the party from here on out, and clean out these fake democrats once and for all! we need elizabeth warren to take over, not hillary. forward, people….not backward!!!

      • December 2, 2012 at 3:03 pm

        Terry McAuliffe is running for Gov of Virginia in 2013, and wants access to the Obama for America Virginia database. He was the first to jump in line after Nov 6 to make the request. But I understand OFA does not want to intervene in Dem primaries. Only help in the general election.

        So McAuliffe is purely using Bill Clinton to suck up to POTUS for an inside track.

  50. 197 utaustinliberal
    December 2, 2012 at 1:19 pm

  51. 198 Nena20409
    December 2, 2012 at 1:22 pm

    I am surprised that Mark Knoller or whatever his name is has not reported that pres Obama went golfing with Bubba….big dog, Clinton. In attendance also were Terry McCuliff and Ron Kirt….the Trade Sec…..according to AP tweets.

  52. 199 Nena20409
    December 2, 2012 at 1:24 pm

    Oops, the GOLF outing has now been posted here at TOD…..I am 3 minutes too late. Oh well. Let the rightie heads start to implode and explode.

  53. 200 dotster3
    December 2, 2012 at 1:26 pm

    It’s summer on Dec.2 in Illinois—–or at least spring. 61 degrees, sunny, no wind, tomorrow supposed to be near 70. Just came in from outside tasks to check on Da Bears—-and actually was too hot in sweatshirt hoodie.
    Here’s the Kennedy Center honorees:

    • 201 cookemom
      December 2, 2012 at 1:31 pm

      dotster3, yes I’m loving this weather. On my run this morning I got over heated in just a T-shirt and running shoes ( ha , ha, ha). No really it’s great for hanging the Xmas stuff outside.

      • 202 dotster3
        December 2, 2012 at 1:42 pm

        I know. People are walking and running and biking in shorts in front of my house. Mr. dotster is SUPPOSED to be “hanging xmas stuff outside” (outside lights are HIS JOB) but he escaped to the golf course, taking advantage of being able to play in Illinois in December, that rascal. Who does he think he is, the president??? 🙂

      • 203 vcprezofan2
        December 2, 2012 at 3:22 pm

        Dotster & Cookemom = (weather) SHOWOFFS! Well, **I** haven’t put on *my* snow tires yet, so there! 😛 [I do have an appointment at the mechanic for tomorrow, but it’s…ahem…. just a precautionary measure. After all there’s no snow currently on the ground. That which came with the first snowfall has finally melted.]

    • 204 dudette9t9
      December 2, 2012 at 1:47 pm

      Quite an outstanding group!

      • 205 utaustinliberal
        December 2, 2012 at 2:30 pm

        Buddy Guy, Led Zeppelin (Robert Plant….woot! woot! woot!), David Letterman, and Dustin Hoffman! It’s gonna be great.

    • 206 jacquelineoboomer
      December 2, 2012 at 4:15 pm

      It’s 61 degrees in my part of Illinois, too. Loving it!

  54. December 2, 2012 at 1:29 pm

    Hidee O’s!!! How’s everyone on yet another great getting up day in TOD town? Just poked my head in to say g’day. Now it’s off to finish decking the halls and all that crap (I kid, I love it). See yas soon, if not before then.

  55. December 2, 2012 at 1:58 pm


  56. December 2, 2012 at 2:06 pm

    I just want to say…I love this place. BWD led me here over a year ago and I just love the pictures and stories and videos and everything. So…did I say I love this place?

  57. December 2, 2012 at 2:17 pm

    Suggest you all go the the US Treasury Twitter TL and RT a bunch of really good tweets they’ve launched … they definitely get the power of Twitter 🙂



  58. December 2, 2012 at 2:22 pm

  59. December 2, 2012 at 2:23 pm

    It’s quite the foursome at Joint Base Andrews Sunday: President Obama is golfing with Bill Clinton, Terry McAuliffe and Ron Kirk.

    The outing is Obama’s third time on the links since winning reelection. A September 2011 day at the links with the former president spurred the Obama-Clinton alliance that permeated throughout the 2012 election campaign.

    McAuliffe, a longtime Clinton friend, just last month launched his own campaign for governor of Virginia. Kirk is the U.S. trade representative and former Dallas mayor who was a vocal Obama surrogate during his 2008 primary run against Hillary Clinton. 

    • 218 jacquelineoboomer
      December 2, 2012 at 4:11 pm

      Not quite where the term “strange bedfellows” came from, but President Obama sure can pull people together. Love that man.

  60. 219 utaustinliberal
    December 2, 2012 at 2:23 pm

    There have recently been books published about Thomas Jefferson; scathing and romanticizing alike and this article is very enlightening. Any thoughts?

    THOMAS JEFFERSON is in the news again, nearly 200 years after his death — alongside a high-profile biography by the journalist Jon Meacham comes a damning portrait of the third president by the independent scholar Henry Wiencek. We are endlessly fascinated with Jefferson, in part because we seem unable to reconcile the rhetoric of liberty in his writing with the reality of his slave owning and his lifetime support for slavery. Time and again, we play down the latter in favor of the former, or write off the paradox as somehow indicative of his complex depths. Neither Mr. Meacham, who mostly ignores Jefferson’s slave ownership, nor Mr. Wiencek, who sees him as a sort of fallen angel who comes to slavery only after discovering how profitable it could be, seem willing to confront the ugly truth: the third president was a creepy, brutal hypocrite. Contrary to Mr. Wiencek’s depiction, Jefferson was always deeply committed to slavery, and even more deeply hostile to the welfare of blacks, slave or free. His proslavery views were shaped not only by money and status but also by his deeply racist views, which he tried to justify through pseudoscience.

    There is, it is true, a compelling paradox about Jefferson: when he wrote the Declaration of Independence, announcing the “self-evident” truth that all men are “created equal,” he owned some 175 slaves. Too often, scholars and readers use those facts as a crutch, to write off Jefferson’s inconvenient views as products of the time and the complexities of the human condition. But while many of his contemporaries, including George Washington, freed their slaves during and after the revolution — inspired, perhaps, by the words of the Declaration — Jefferson did not. Over the subsequent 50 years, a period of extraordinary public service, Jefferson remained the master of Monticello, and a buyer and seller of human beings. Rather than encouraging his countrymen to liberate their slaves, he opposed both private manumission and public emancipation. Even at his death, Jefferson failed to fulfill the promise of his rhetoric: his will emancipated only five slaves, all relatives of his mistress Sally Hemings, and condemned nearly 200 others to the auction block. Even Hemings remained a slave, though her children by Jefferson went free.

    Nor was Jefferson a particularly kind master. He sometimes punished slaves by selling them away from their families and friends, a retaliation that was incomprehensibly cruel even at the time. A proponent of humane criminal codes for whites, he advocated harsh, almost barbaric, punishments for slaves and free blacks. Known for expansive views of citizenship, he proposed legislation to make emancipated blacks “outlaws” in America, the land of their birth. Opposed to the idea of royal or noble blood, he proposed expelling from Virginia the children of white women and black men.Jefferson did worry about the future of slavery, but not out of moral qualms. After reading about the slave revolts in Haiti, Jefferson wrote to a friend that “if something is not done and soon done, we shall be the murderers of our own children.” But he never said what that “something” should be. In 1820 Jefferson was shocked by the heated arguments over slavery during the debate over the Missouri Compromise. He believed that by opposing the spread of slavery in the West, the children of the revolution were about to “perpetrate” an “act of suicide on themselves, and of treason against the hopes of the world.”


    • December 2, 2012 at 2:54 pm

      One of the more interesting aspects of the Founders, at least for me, are the considerable their considerable, personal life histories, regarding slavery – contrast Franklin to Jefferson, for instance. That any of it is ‘new’ information is unfortunate, because it is the context of just how much had to be done, and remains to be done, to build a ‘more perfect Union’ including the timeline and price that had to be paid to legislate the 13th Amendment.


    • 224 Bill
      December 2, 2012 at 2:56 pm

      As Jefferson was the founder of my university I have tried to reconcile him for years. Reading this fascinating and succinct piece yesterday I found it impossible to refute.

      • 225 utaustinliberal
        December 2, 2012 at 3:01 pm

        Thanks for the response Bill. It’s an uncomfortable part of American history to say the least. On the one hand, the founding fathers did great things. On the other hand, they led very disturbing personal lives that sometimes bled into politics.

      • December 2, 2012 at 3:05 pm

        My least favorite phrase in American public life is the one uttered when some calamity occurs: “America lost its innocence today.” Really? A country founded by expropriating the native population, and built by the use of chattel slavery was “innocent”? A country that for a large part of its history saw the nations of the Western hemisphere as its private preserve was “innocent”? And yes, a country who’s founding ideological document extolled freedom and was written by a brilliant and flawed man who was racist to his car was “innocent”? It’s only “innocent” if you don’t study its history fully and dispassionately. I love my country, but I’m more than aware of its many past and current sins. “Innocence” was something we never had.

        • December 2, 2012 at 3:28 pm

          ‘“Innocence” was something we never had.’

          A likely title of one of your next posts at TPV 🙂

        • 229 anniebella
          December 2, 2012 at 3:34 pm

          As a Black American, who can only imagine what life was like for my people, thank you Liberal Librarian for what you said.

        • December 2, 2012 at 4:06 pm

          I think that car-racism is just the worst. 😉

          • December 2, 2012 at 4:46 pm

            Oh god, i saw that typo. Cringed when I read it.

          • December 2, 2012 at 5:04 pm

            This opening up about our country and its founders . . . . our “getting” that we were founded out of idealism, yes, but never innocence . . . I think the more we we open up and examine the history with courage and open eyes, the better off for all of us. We also have some horrendous current “realities” to deal with [Monsanto comes to mind, just one of many]; and there is no place I would rather deal with them that in the context we have created for ourselves here. Our possibilities for moving forward are extraordinary. Everybody get their rest and eat their spinach, is what I say. xoxox

            • December 2, 2012 at 6:02 pm

              People spend a lot of energy denying their circunstances past and present. It’s impossible to fix a situation because to do that you have to acknowledge it exists and acknowledge your role in it whether you are proud of that role or not. The truth will set you free, but you have to go through a whole lot of stuff first.

    • 235 theo67
      December 2, 2012 at 5:15 pm

      Sounds like Jefferson is the founding father variety that the Republicans are always extollingt.

    • 236 prettyfoot58
      December 2, 2012 at 5:19 pm

      There is, it is true, a compelling paradox about Jefferson: when he wrote the Declaration of Independence, announcing the “self-evident” truth that all men are “created equal,” he owned some 175 slaves..


      Not hard to understand….

      he did not consider the slaves to be human beings worthy of rights and dignity….they were property!!!

      and the dregs of this ideology continues today….

    • 237 nathkatun7
      December 2, 2012 at 7:17 pm

      UT, thanks for sharing this. I am glad that finally real facts about the “founding fathers” are being shared publicly instead of being hidden in academic publications. Very rarely do people know that of the first five American Presidents, four of them were slave owners. Thomas Jefferson stands out because he is the icon of American ideals of freedom and religious tolerance. What people are not taught is the fact that it was Thomas Jefferson who was one the first prominent Americans, through his supposedly “scientific” writings, to publicly give sanction to the ideology of White supremacy and Black inferiority. There is no doubt in my mind that Jefferson knew exactly that slavery was inhumane and unjust. He just reconciled that reality by believing that Black people were inferior beings who needed the guidance and control of whites. At the same time, Jefferson was very afraid of slave revolts and that’s why he was so hostile to the successful slave revolt in Haiti. That’s also why Jefferson was a strong proponent of colonization –the idea that free Blacks should be resettled somewhere else outside of the United States.

      I am sure this will come as a shock to many people who love Abraham Lincoln, but he too was in favor of expelling (colonizing) free blacks outside the United States because he was not in favor of granting them equality. People also forget that neither Lincoln’s Emancipation Proclamation, nor the 13th Amendment, which legally ended slavery, automatically granted Black people equal citizenship rights. Rather, it was the intransigency and hostility of Southern whites who were hell bent on maintaining slavery, as well as the relentless struggles of Black people, which led Congress to enact the 14th Amendment finally recognizing Black people as citizens.

  61. 238 utaustinliberal
    December 2, 2012 at 2:37 pm

  62. 243 lamh36
    December 2, 2012 at 2:56 pm

    Thanks for all the congrats guys, now I need help, I does one go about subletting an apartment?

  63. 247 lamh36
    December 2, 2012 at 3:00 pm

    Best thing about Christmas time….being able to watch Love Actually all the time and not feeling weird watching a Christmas movie in the middle of say July…LOL!

    • 248 otter44
      December 2, 2012 at 5:30 pm

      one of the best movies ever,,,,,,, I watch it whenever I need a big cheer up….

    • 249 dudette9t9
      December 2, 2012 at 7:41 pm

      One of my favorite Christmas movies too. However, I have absolutely no compunction about watching it ANYTIME of the year. It’s wonderful!

  64. December 2, 2012 at 3:08 pm

    Has the Lovely Tally woken up yet? She’s probably still floating on air that her L.A. Galaxys won. Congrats again ALL Galaxy fans.

  65. 251 utaustinliberal
    December 2, 2012 at 3:09 pm

    Twitter can be relevant, useful, and very powerful. It is also quite fascinating when having discussions about politics, history etc. But sometimes you come across the weirdest people.

    Referencing the NYT article about Thomas Jefferson I posted upthread – which is going viral on twitter – some guy got into a discussion with Imani Gandy – who runs Angry Black Lady Chronicles (ABLC) – about Jefferson and the woman he enslaved and had children with, Sally Hemings and the guy firmly believes that Sally Hemings loved sleeping with Jefferson because Jefferson was handsome, and that it was truly a love match. It had nothing to do with Slavery. Jefferson and Hemings were in love. How anyone who understands American history or read the NYT article about Jefferson, would think Hemings loved being with Jefferson is a head scratcher. He enslaved her and most probably raped her.

    Conservatives have this weird obsession with whitewashing history.

    • December 2, 2012 at 3:17 pm


      Not only did her OWN HER…

      But, it was more than likely that he chose Sally BECAUSE SHE WAS HIS DEAD WIFE’S HALF SISTER.

      Hemings looked a whole lot like his dead wife – except for she had a tan.


      Do I have to repeat that


      And, hell no, one cannot whitewash the brutality of slavery.

      • December 2, 2012 at 3:31 pm


        And, it’s no surprise that folk who operate from a ‘legitimate rape’ perspective would have any chance of catching that clue.

        • 254 anniebella
          December 2, 2012 at 3:52 pm

          I remember the likes of Senator Strong Thurman, who didn’t believe that blacks and whites should mix, and guess what we learn that Senator Thurman mix with a young black girl who he father a child with. He was 22 at the time. The young girl was the daughter of someone who work for the Thurman family. Do you think it was love at first sight? No I don’t. This is America real history.

      • 256 mb32
        December 2, 2012 at 3:38 pm

        And according that article he didn’t even free her upon his death…the Monster of Monticello is an appropriate headline. This is why I cringed when I heard Chris Matthews and John Meacham call it an affair. An affair involves two free, consenting adults…

      • 258 nathkatun7
        December 2, 2012 at 7:24 pm

        If Jefferson loved Sally Hemings, he sure had a funny way of showing it. It’s true that he set free some of her children but, to my knowledge, he never set her free. As a matter of fact she is listed among the over 200 hundred of Jefferson’s slaves who were sold at auctions after he died to pay for his immense debts.

  66. 259 susanne
    December 2, 2012 at 3:40 pm

    late to the party, but have to say: that rice krispies comic is absolutely hilarious and spot on!!

    • 260 theo67
      December 2, 2012 at 5:19 pm

      I want to see Ayotte completely discredited and her career to implode over her part in this witch hunt. Nobody should come out of that insulting debacle smelling like a rose except for Ambassador Rice, the innocent party to this nonsense.

  67. 261 utaustinliberal
    December 2, 2012 at 3:41 pm

  68. 262 dotster3
    December 2, 2012 at 3:44 pm

    The Kennedy Center festivities sounds like it’s going to be a highly entertaining program. Colbert and Kimmel joking about Letterman, great introductions of other guests by Bill and Hillary and Meryl Streep etc. etc. etc.


  69. December 2, 2012 at 3:44 pm

    • 265 jacquelineoboomer
      December 2, 2012 at 3:56 pm

      Putting Sam’s Club out of business, I’m hopin’!

    • 266 0388jojothecat
      December 2, 2012 at 4:12 pm

      I am getting a Costco card asap and shopping there from now on. Everyone who values people should do so and if you have to buy in bulk and you are only one person or a small family, Donate the rest to a food bank.

      • 267 dotster3
        December 2, 2012 at 4:38 pm

        Have shopped at Costco since its inception—–paper products in bulk for home and office——plus books and toys and small appliances and beverages and some name brand clothing items and multiple other items—good pot pies and salads too. And gas is always cheaper there.

      • 268 dudette9t9
        December 2, 2012 at 8:09 pm

        I’m happy to say I already shop there. Love your idea though jojo. Brilliant!

    • 269 GGail
      December 2, 2012 at 4:29 pm

      ut – thank you so much for posting this! I have two family members who recently became unemployed and I’ve forwarded this to them 🙂

  70. 270 susanne
    December 2, 2012 at 3:47 pm

    love this–booman quotes boenhner saying on fox, that pbo’s peeps ‘aren’t taking rethugs seriously’. seriously?!! 🙂 shocking!!

    ‘ Boehner said the reason negotiations are going so poorly is that Obama administration officials – in particular, Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner – aren’t taking Republicans seriously. Boehner said he was shocked at Geithner’s proposal to Republicans last week. ‘


  71. 275 utaustinliberal
    December 2, 2012 at 3:51 pm

    Long golf session. 😀

  72. December 2, 2012 at 3:55 pm


    That game made me OLD(er). (VC – just a season ticket holder… so it was AWESOME the final was HERE!)

    I’m so tired today, but SO PUMPED, and HAPPY! Awesome that Beckham could go out on a championship, and yeah, that’s FOUR STARS BITCHES!! (four stars on our kit for the 4 times we’ve now won MLS CUP.)

    So relieved when Robbie Keane scored that third goal, even if it was off a PK – I’LL TAKE IT! I was terrified they were gong to tie it up and force us into OT. BLECH!

    my hair is stick straight – how do I get frizzie rain hair?

    • December 2, 2012 at 3:57 pm

      And no… I don’t think Landon is going anywhere. I think he’s just being PR-smart for not going on loan for the third(?) year in a row (sorry Everton) during our off season. I don’t see him leaving LA, nor missing World Cup 2014. Can you believe it’s only 18 months away???

  73. December 2, 2012 at 4:20 pm

  74. 286 dotster3
    December 2, 2012 at 4:22 pm

  75. 291 dotster3
    December 2, 2012 at 4:48 pm

    Thank you, theo! Exactly!

    • 292 susanne
      December 2, 2012 at 5:03 pm

      exactly! geesh. these guys would be going to pbo for advice, not the other way around. pbo has proven again and again that he’s way out ahead of all the pundits and politicos and schemers. yes, clinton worked hard for pbo’s re-election, and i think a real friendship was formed. i can see how clinton would want to introduce his favorite peeps to pbo. waaaay different from pbo seeking their advice.

    • 293 theo67
      December 2, 2012 at 5:47 pm

      They get on my last nerve – thanks for the “retweet”! 🙂

  76. December 2, 2012 at 4:59 pm

    Krugman on ‘Operation Rolling Tantrum’


    Have been thinking a lot about the 113th and the fact that Leader Pelosi has been signaling strongly that she knows plenty of Rs are willing to vote for the tax break for the 98%. Some, if not all those Rs, likely were just re-elected.

    We know that House Ds received more than a million votes than Rs in the election and gerrymandering is the reason for the wide disparity in actual representation. Even with gerrymandering, I’m sure more than 18 Rs in the 113th are not suicidal, i.e., they will want to return to the 114th. Their best chance would be to switch early and be strong participants in the D caucus – they’d likely avoid a D primary challenge if they did so.

    Thus, the following tweets:


  77. 295 utaustinliberal
    December 2, 2012 at 5:02 pm

    So freaking true.

  78. 298 lamh36
    December 2, 2012 at 5:14 pm

    Alright, I have a few Kelly Clarkson songs that I like, but I admit this one from the Love Actually soundtrack that is one I have on my Itunes still.

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