This and That


Monday: President Obama attends meetings at the White House

Tuesday: Hosts President-elect Enrique Peña Nieto of Mexico at the White House

Wednesday: Holds a Cabinet Meeting at the White House

Thursday: Meets with the 2012 Nobel Prize winners in the Oval Office


In case you missed these articles/posts:

Washington Post: When Barack Obama published his autobiography, “Dreams From My Father,” about racial identity in 1995, he talked with his neighborhood newspaper in Illinois, the Hyde Park Citizen, about the economic disparities he had seen while exploring the world as a child and young adult.

…. That sensitivity to inequality has stuck with Obama throughout his rise in politics, from Chicago’s South Side all the way to the White House. He remains largely a pragmatist in his approach to governing. But beneath his tactical maneuvering lies a consistent and unifying principle: to use the powers of his office to shrink the growing gap between the wealthiest Americans and everyone else…..

Full article here


Washington Post: Late on election night, a small melee erupted at the University of Mississippi when a group of white students frustrated by the reelection of President Obama marched outside and began shouting racial slurs at African American students. Several hundred people gathered to watch as two white students were arrested.

…. Yet even as that incident evoked ugly memories of an earlier era, Election Day in the South told a newer and more surprising story: The nation’s first black president finished more strongly in the region than any other Democratic nominee in three decades, underscoring a fresh challenge for Republicans who rely on Southern whites as their base of national support.

Obama won Virginia and Florida and narrowly missed victory in North Carolina. But he also polled as well in Georgia as any Democrat since Jimmy Carter, grabbed 44 percent of the vote in deep-red South Carolina and just under that in Mississippi — despite doing no substantive campaigning in any of those states.

Full article here


Michael Tomasky: A new report appears to exonerate Susan Rice for public statements following the Benghazi attack. Will John McCain apologize for his reckless crusade against her? Don’t bet on it.

We don’t yet really know as a society what a person has to do to completely and utterly cancel out a record of war heroism, but we may be about to find out. If this CBS News report is even close to accurate, John McCain’s arguments of the last few weeks about Susan Rice are thrashingly demolished. He has, or should have, zero credibility now on this issue.

…. Will he stand down now from this embarrassing crusade? …. Once you’ve hopped on the Crooked Talk Express, detraining isn’t easy.

Full post here



Campaign photos by Callie Shell:



Look who’s grown – no, no, not the VP, Champ:

This week in Nantucket:

Looking good, Mr VP:


More here

Thank you Hopefruit!


Completely random beautiful photos:


Hey, it’s easy for you guys to keep smiling like this after 10 Inaugural Balls – you wear comfy shoes:


Morning/Afternoon/Evening all.

246 Responses to “This and That”

  1. 18 Allison
    November 25, 2012 at 7:30 pm

    Evening Chips!

  2. November 25, 2012 at 7:32 pm

    Still an early bird. Congrats on first.

    • November 25, 2012 at 7:39 pm

      Re John McCain, on Up today Chris Hayes showed a 1995 video of the old man defending GWB’s right to choose whoever for his cabinet. His words…the election is over. Let’s get on with it. (Paraphrase) Made him look even more stupid in light of his current unwarranted rant against Susan Rice.

  3. November 25, 2012 at 7:33 pm

    Another excellent post, Chips!!! Thank you!!!

  4. 24 Vicki Green
    November 25, 2012 at 7:36 pm

    Lovely post, Chips and I am glad the schedule keeps PBO in DC this week.

  5. November 25, 2012 at 7:38 pm

    squarepeg made a request in the prior thread … here are a few responses ….

    https://twitter.com/Our4thEstate/status/272853800526696448 (I may write this one)


    • 26 GGail
      November 25, 2012 at 7:42 pm

      Those are great titles Bobfr and I can see you writing the Pragmatic Inclusiveness: Reversing Class Disparity in America. You’ve posted pieces on previous threads already. 🙂

  6. 27 GGail
    November 25, 2012 at 7:43 pm

    It’s simply amazing how much discipline POTUS has in order to “power down” and then “power back up” for the many appearances he made before Election Day.

    • 28 jacquelineoboomer
      November 25, 2012 at 8:30 pm

      Love how you phrased that. You didn’t say “appearances he made during the campaign.” You said “appearances he made before Election Day.” Which, to me, meant we all knew he would be the victor on Election Day. We WON !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 🙂

    • 33 theo67
      November 25, 2012 at 8:55 pm

      What a great observation. Just seeing him in that room by himself, waiting for the event – knowing he was also doing an incredibly taxing day job – and then delivering such power at each and every rally… “discipline” is definitely the right word for it. That’s why I’m really glad that he had a quiet Thanksgiving – especially after that huge international trip. He could have done a number of things that are sitting on his plate (e.g. fiscal cliff, visiting the troops, working through the days to deal with the many international crises). But, he wisely took some time to regroup – after a very gruelling few months away from his family, and a period of enormous stress. I’m glad he knows when to let things just wait a few days.

  7. November 25, 2012 at 7:44 pm

    From previous thread:
    re: @Mark Knoller thread, commenters said they haven’t seen him on television.

    He’s a radio reporter; I hear him occassionaly on @knx1070 the all-news CBS affiliate in Los Angeles.

    CBS radio has a “Weekend Roundup” feature which airs for an hour on Saturday on @knx1070. It sounded like they didn’t cover President Obama’s southeast Asia trip, instead focusing on the Israel-Gaza-Egypt-Hamas war and the fiscal slope. (I admit I didn’t listen to the whole hour, because any coverage of the “fiscal slope” is just speculation at this point.)

    I’m old enough to remember when a President’s historic Asian trip would have made it onto the “Weekend Roundup.”

    The networks need to just admit that they are as obstructionist against PBO as the GOP (who seem to becoming less so; Congressmen/women and Senators are accountable to their constituents, unlike the abhorent MSM).

    • November 25, 2012 at 7:52 pm

      Thanks for that Arapaho415, I wasn’t sure if he was still on radio, I used to see him on TV sometimes but, thankfully, not much lately. He’s a waste of space.

    • 36 theo67
      November 25, 2012 at 8:57 pm

      It’s going to be a real shock to a lot of people when they realize that Asia really is rising, because the media has completely ignored the fact that the world order is dramatically shifting.

  8. November 25, 2012 at 7:48 pm

    Also from previous thread via @ebertchicago:

    “[Dennis] Miller: Elizabeth Warren? Is that the chick that says she’s an Indian?
    Leno [chuckling]: Well, yeah, no.
    Miller: She’s about as much Indian as that stripper chick Brando sent to pick up his Oscar for The Godfather, all right?”

    “Leno and Dennis Miller are unfair to Sacheen Littlefeather. Brando was nuts but she was courageous. http://bit.ly/V63G3l“


    Love how the GOP hate immigrants AND native people. They only seem to like themselves (don’t see themselves as immigrants I guess).

    Also, this article on the late Ambassador to Libya Christopher J. Stevens:
    “Stevens’ mother Mary Commanday is the first cousin of Chinook tribal elders Catherine Herrold Troeh and Charlotte Davis, both of whom are well known in Pacific County, the historic homeland of the tribe that met Lewis and Clark at the mouth of the Columbia River.”

    What could be more all-American than Lewis and Clark?

    • November 25, 2012 at 8:20 pm

    • 39 EDP4BHO
      November 25, 2012 at 8:30 pm

      I never knew this occurred on Leno. There’s another show I will not watch ever again. I knew he’s had questionable guests on before, but when he stoops to hosting a bonafide racist, Leno can go to hell along with the rest of them. Very disappointed in him. Note that Stevens’ mother had negative things to say about PBO following the death of her son. Native or not, she barked up the wrong tree and fed into the hate of Fox and company. Forget her too. Taking no prisoners….forward !

      • November 25, 2012 at 8:52 pm

        Mary Commaday — Christ Stevens mother — never said anything negative I can find. She is quoted as saying “How can anyone place blame for his death — these were circumstances beyond our government’s control,” Commaday told NBC Bay Area. “I am perfectly aware that there was danger. But he was a grown man, well-educated and careful. I knew he was out there doing good work.”

        She did have a few choice words (as did his father) for the people politicizing his death.

  9. November 25, 2012 at 7:51 pm

    The First Lady looks absolutely stunning in those black & white pics. She’s always gorgeous, but those pics are beautiful.

  10. November 25, 2012 at 7:53 pm

    Does Mark Knoller not know that he is allowed to change the channel off CBS? Poor guy, must have misread his employment papers. Seems to sit and watch every second of the football game preceding 60 Minutes.

  11. November 25, 2012 at 7:54 pm

    Sigh….pictures of President Obama in the rain will be my undoing.

  12. 73 dotster3
    November 25, 2012 at 7:58 pm

    This is so horrific—–working overtime for pennies making clothing for U.S. companies——good ol’ Wal Mart again, among others.

    • 74 a4alice
      November 25, 2012 at 8:07 pm

      my husband told me about this earlier today but didn’t know what corporation these clothes were associated with. thanks

    • 75 jackiegrumbacher
      November 25, 2012 at 9:28 pm

      It’s heartbreaking, dotster. It’s like the Triangle Shirt Fire that killed so many female sweat shop workers in the early 1900s. Indescribably horrible work conditions, crowded conditions, no fire safe safety precautions. It’s a tragic loss of life, and a dark stain on US companies that exploit these workers.

  13. November 25, 2012 at 7:59 pm

    Romney Liar is now OFFICIALLY at 47%!

    • November 25, 2012 at 7:59 pm

      • 80 Claire
        November 25, 2012 at 10:10 pm

        Ever closer to Nate’s prediction of 50.8 – 48.3.

      • 81 nathkatun7
        November 25, 2012 at 10:27 pm

        Karma is bitch! From now on Mitt Romney will be known as Mr. 47%! By the way, do you know which state or states reported new numbers today? David Wasserman, @2012 National Popular Vote Trucker, is still reporting yesterdays numbers: Obama, 64,444,805 (50.80%) and Romney, 60,265,579 (47.50%). The Wikipedia numbers show that since yesterday the President’s vote totals increased by 53,096 votes, and Romney’s by 32,748. I still think that after all the votes are counted, the President’s margin of victory will be close to 5 million votes. According to the numbers you shared, his lead now stands at 4,199,574 votes.

    • 82 desertflower
      November 25, 2012 at 8:03 pm

      !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 47% did the man in…in more ways than one. Bet he’s damning the day he uttered that mess!

      • November 25, 2012 at 8:08 pm

        Yeah I figured it would happen tomorrow but I guess the election folks work on Sunday. It was 50.300% or something like that – just a hair above 50% – on Friday. From what I understand he won’t regain any ground on the percentage with vote counting remaining as most of it is in CA, NY and NJ. Fingers crossed.

    • November 25, 2012 at 8:05 pm

      Also, margin now > than 4M Votes and they’re still counting 🙂

  14. 85 idon
    November 25, 2012 at 8:05 pm

    I love a rainsoaked PBO. It is a thing of beauty and a joy forever 🙂

  15. November 25, 2012 at 8:09 pm

    😀 😀 😀 😀

  16. November 25, 2012 at 8:11 pm

    Homemade turkey chili (with habaneros) is on the stove. 😀 😀 😀

    • 97 daisydem
      November 25, 2012 at 8:58 pm

      Yum! You are the second person today (one a friend on FB) who posted they were making turkey chili with their leftovers … very ingenious and yummy!

      • November 26, 2012 at 2:02 am

        It’s why I buy usually more than one turkey this time of year – and because they’re so cheap! I get a 20lb at least. Stuff it. Can’t cook it any other way. 🙂

  17. November 25, 2012 at 8:11 pm

    Michelle Obama is simply STUNNING in those Black Caucus photos. Love the shadowing – looks like they were from a NYT photographer. I would like Pete Souza to take some black and white photos or maybe he has?

  18. 104 vitaminlover
    November 25, 2012 at 8:18 pm

    I had been wondering what had happened to our beloved Vice-President’s dog?! Boy has he grown!

  19. November 25, 2012 at 8:27 pm

  20. November 25, 2012 at 8:32 pm

    Hi Everyone, I love the ferocious looking b and w photos of FLOTUS. Thank you Chips

  21. November 25, 2012 at 8:40 pm

  22. 126 amk for obama
    November 25, 2012 at 8:50 pm

    Those b&w photos are burn & warn. Her bestest hair style.

  23. 130 Ladyhawke
    November 25, 2012 at 8:54 pm


    LOL Of The Week: From Golden Boy To Sacrificial Lamb



    The speaker knows he’s facing a president who just won an electoral college landslide and garnered nearly five million more votes than his party’s “electable” candidate. And this president is threatening to ramp up his killer campaign machine to push for the end of the Bush tax cuts for the rich, a policy already supported by about 6 out of 10 voters.

    So what can Speaker Boehner do?

    Throw Paul Ryan—the losing running mate of the “electable” candidate—into the fire.

    Yes, Boehner named Paul Ryan to be a part of the “fiscal cliff” “negotiating” team.


    This is perfect poetic justice. Paul Ryan voted for every Bush policy that blew the surplus, he was behind the showdown that led the downgrading of our debt and his budget proposal is so toxic that he had to be hidden during the last weeks of the campaign. Who else would Boehner want to negotiate on his behalf?



    • November 26, 2012 at 12:23 am

      I think this is actually Speaker Boehner playing hardball with his caucus, for once. There’s really nothing they can do but make the best of it… Most of the notable benefits the Republican House could get out of these negotiations for the rich, big business or their base will probably be initiatives President Obama has already put forward or hinted at: Reducing the corporate tax rate by wiping out the loopholes that let GE and others pay nothing on billions, allowing Medicare to negotiate drug prices, or major research or infrastructure initiatives.

      With Paul Ryan at the table and seemingly in the driver’s seat, hard right House members are going to have to own the negotiations at a moment when “just walking away” isn’t an option, even for the delusional.

      Under those circumstances, why not put out front and center the “negotiating skills” of those who have made negotiation impossible?

      This defeat *will* have a thousand fathers, so Boehner might as well make the best of it.

  24. 132 amk for obama
    November 25, 2012 at 9:08 pm

    • 133 99ts
      November 25, 2012 at 10:29 pm

      Perfect amk – I heard him blathering a couple of days ago that Walmart pays peanuts because of unemployment levels – NO mention that the unions have been decimated by the GOP – and workers have virtually lost all their bargaining power. Unions made the middle class, and people like david frum need to give up on the supply side economics – total fail.

    • 134 nathkatun7
      November 25, 2012 at 10:45 pm

      Great response AMK! I just love the way you pierce through their bs!

    • 135 Chi
      November 25, 2012 at 11:37 pm

      Thanks for that amk…

      David Frum is a complete fraud…

      We need CanadaBarb and Theo to deal with this disgraceful man who continues to give Canadian transplants a terrible reputation with his petty, narcissistic, opportunistic and wrongheaded meddling…

  25. November 25, 2012 at 9:13 pm

    So, wifey had to work today, so Wonderdog Stewie spent the day at his aunt’s (wifey’s bff). He is now home, and is gassing the living room. I mean, I don’t know what they fed him there, but Jaysus he’s deadly.

    Soon I shall return to comments and writing political. I’m still enjoying my post-election break. Waiting for PBO to kick us into gear to savage the GOP over the cliff.

    • November 25, 2012 at 9:14 pm

      “He is now home, and is gassing the living room. I mean, I don’t know what they fed him there, but Jaysus he’s deadly.”

      😆 Does he frighten himself when he, you know, explodes? My dog nephew does, runs away when it happens and can’t figure out why the sound and aroma is following him!

    • 141 amk for obama
      November 25, 2012 at 9:34 pm

      What’s the difference between a new husband and a new dog?

      1) After a year, the dog is still excited to see you.

      2) A dog only takes a couple of months to train.

      • 142 amk for obama
        November 25, 2012 at 9:36 pm

        A butcher is leaning on the counter toward the close of day when a dog with a basket in its jaws comes pushing through the door.

        “An’ wot’s this then?” he asked. The dog knocks the basket sharply into the butcher’s shins.

        “You dumb dog.” As he reaches down to smack the dog, he notices a note and a ten dollar bill in the basket.

        The scribble on the note asks for three pounds of his best mince [ground beef]. The butcher figures this is too easy. He goes to the window and reaches for the dried up stuff that’s been sitting out all day.

        The dog growls at him. The butcher turns around and, glaring at the pup, gets the best mince from the fridge. Weighing out about 2 1/2 pounds, he drops in on the scale with his thumb.

        “Hmmmmm, a bit shy. Who’ll know?”

        Again, the dog growls menacingly. “Alright, alright,” as he throws on a generous half pound. He wraps it out, drops it in the basket, and drops in change from a five. The dog threatens to chew him off at the ankles. Another five goes in the basket.

        The butcher is quite impressed and decides to follow the dog home. The dog quickly enters a high-rise buildings, pushes the lift button, enters the lift, and then pushes the button for the 12th floor. The dog walks down the corridor and smartly bangs the basket on the door. The door opens, and the dog’s owner screams at the dog.

        “Hey, what are you doing? That’s a really smart dog you’ve got there,” comments the butcher.

        “He’s a stupid dog – that’s the third time this week he’s forgotten his key.

  26. 145 proudmemberofglobalzero
    November 25, 2012 at 9:13 pm

    Hi all. I have been working and spending time with my daughter that came home for the few days around Thanksgiving. I miss her already as she left this afternoon. I just got home and the first place I came to was this blog. To tired to post anything but I can read it all day.

    Hope everyone had a great Thanksgiving…you are ALL invited over for leftovers. Love my husband but if he picks up another 20 lb. Turkey for just 3 of us…and I don’t even eat Turkey…I am going to invite the whole neighborhood.

    Chips, I am forever in your debt for keeping us posted on all things important. My next crusade is to make sure our congress gets to work.

  27. November 25, 2012 at 9:18 pm

  28. 157 amk for obama
    November 25, 2012 at 9:23 pm

  29. 164 utaustinliberal
    November 25, 2012 at 9:30 pm

    This is why cats will one day kill humans.

  30. 169 amk for obama
    November 25, 2012 at 9:31 pm

    This is for our ya.

    “Well,” snarled the tough old Navy Chief to the bewildered Seaman. “I suppose after you get discharged from the Navy, you’ll just be waiting for me to die so you can come and piss on my grave.”

    “Not me, Chief!” the Seaman replied. “Once I get out of the Navy, I’m never going to stand in line again!”

  31. November 25, 2012 at 9:57 pm

    Good metric …

    No lobbyist could ever compete with us, if the President truly leverages 23.7+ million of us 🙂 And, we’re way less expensive 😀 😀


  32. 171 GGail
    November 25, 2012 at 10:04 pm

    Chipsticks it was simply lovely sharing the Give Thanks holiday with you and the TOD family, but I must retire now in preparation for work in the morning.

    Love YA!

  33. November 25, 2012 at 10:11 pm

    Lots of ways Costco could pioneer several extensions of their biz model and put Walmart & Home Depot out of biz … we can certainly enable that reality …

    Any American company that does biz with slave shops must be put out of biz.

    We must end the #GlobalTechAppliance #Sensata #TriangleShirt etc.


    • November 26, 2012 at 12:40 am

      You know, when President Obama announced to the Clinton Global Initiative audience that the U.S. Federal Government would no longer buy any goods produced by slave labor, I wondered…

      Is he including slave labor *anywhere* in the *supply* *chain?*

      Because the repercussions of that would be staggering.

      Federal contracts are *huge,* and for a great many companies are the foundation of their entire business. For these operations, if you can’t sell to the Feds, you can’t stay in business, or at least can’t remain what you are today.

      So if *any* slave labor disqualifies you as a supplier, and that is made clear to manufacturers, you’ll have an incredible purge going through these supply chains — not so much from Federal inspections, though they may play a role, but from the far fiercer and more ruthless rooting out of slave conditions done by those above you on the chain, and your competitors.

      Think about it. If your keystone U.S. Government contract could be annulled over a single instance of forced labor, then can you afford any such supplier? Can *your* suppliers afford any such supplier? And if someone manages to slip through, don’t their competitors have an incentive to blow the whistle (perhaps through third parties), thus freeing up that contract?

      Depending on its implementation, President Obama could be setting into motion a massive purge of slave labor throughout the industrialized and developing worlds. If forced labor is the kiss of death for any ambitious manufacturing, industrialized agriculture or basic resource-extraction enterprise (mining, lumber, fuel production), then the Market will kiss it goodbye *very* fast.

      Or simply kick it to the curb.

      • November 26, 2012 at 1:56 am

        Ralph, if you’ve followed my comments, and certain responses to you, in particular, then you likely realize we are on the same wave length.

        I have zero doubt President Obama knows exactly how he intends to use the massive purchasing power of Federal Government, both directly and indirectly, to bring major hurt to those who exploit humans.

        The next four years will be a time for ALL of us to support him in that endeavor.

        BTW, this is for you, specifically: http://theobamadiary.com/2012/11/25/chat-away-82/#comment-574582

        And, Yes We Can.

        • November 26, 2012 at 11:29 am

          Thanks, Bob. And yes, I have seen your responses, and appreciate them, even if I don’t always reply before the forum has already moved on to the next thread.

          (Speaking of which, I don’t know if you’ll ever see this comment. =) )

  34. 178 amk for obama
    November 25, 2012 at 10:15 pm

    The Los Angeles Police Department (LAPD), The FBI, and the CIA are all trying to prove that they are the best at apprehending criminals. The President decides to give them a test. He releases a rabbit into a forest and each of them has to catch it.

    The CIA goes in. They place animal informants throughout the forest. They question all plant and mineral witnesses. After three months of extensive investigations, they conclude that rabbits do not exist.

    The FBI goes in. After two weeks with no leads they burn the forest, killing almost everything in it, including the rabbit, and they make no apologies. The rabbit had it coming.

    The LAPD goes in. They come out two hours later with a badly beaten bear. The bear is yelling: “Okay! Okay! I’m a rabbit! I’m a rabbit!”

  35. 182 amk for obama
    November 25, 2012 at 10:26 pm

    “A philosopher,” said the theologian, “is like a blind man in a darkened room looking for a black cat that isn’t there.”

    “That’s right,” the philosopher replied, “and if he were a theologian, he’d find it.”

  36. 183 amk for obama
    November 25, 2012 at 10:28 pm

    A couple drove down a country road for several miles, not saying a word. An earlier discussion had led to an argument and neither of them wanted to concede their position. As they passed a barnyard of mules, goats, and pigs, the husband asked sarcastically,

    “Relatives of yours?”

    “Yep,” the wife replied, “in-laws.”

  37. 186 Pamela
    November 25, 2012 at 10:34 pm

    Where the heck is Yardarm? He scared the hell out of me with an email earlier! Off With His Head, if he ever returns! Made mankini look almost decent…. 😦

  38. 188 amk for obama
    November 25, 2012 at 10:36 pm

    A woman has the last word in any argument.

    Anything a man says after that is the beginning of a new argument.

  39. November 25, 2012 at 10:39 pm

    Thank god I see these NH photos now and not before the election. Man. 🙂

  40. November 25, 2012 at 10:43 pm

    • November 25, 2012 at 10:52 pm

      Interestingly, just read Krugman’s latest missive and it’s relevant and accurate, thus worthy of sharing with you folk …

      “Still, haven’t crises like the one envisioned by deficit scolds happened in the past? Actually, no. As far as I can tell, every example supposedly illustrating the dangers of debt involves either a country that, like Greece today, lacked its own currency, or a country that, like Asian economies in the 1990s, had large debts in foreign currencies. Countries with large debts in their own currency, like France after World War I, have sometimes experienced big loss-of-confidence drops in the value of their currency — but nothing like the debt-induced recession we’re being told to fear.

      So let’s step back for a minute, and consider what’s going on here. For years, deficit scolds have held Washington in thrall with warnings of an imminent debt crisis, even though investors, who continue to buy U.S. bonds, clearly believe that such a crisis won’t happen; economic analysis says that such a crisis can’t happen; and the historical record shows no examples bearing any resemblance to our current situation in which such a crisis actually did happen.

      If you ask me, it’s time for Washington to stop worrying about this phantom menace — and to stop listening to the people who have been peddling this scare story in an attempt to get their way.”

      More at the link: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/26/opinion/krugman-fighting-fiscal-phantoms.html?ref=paulkrugman&_r=0

      And, as noted above, our dear President Obama eats this stuff for snacks so I have zero doubt he knows precisely the very dark, dank and rigid wall he now has Boehner, McConnell and their fellow KOCHSTERS jammed against.

      #TrustBarack He’s Earned It

      • November 25, 2012 at 11:02 pm

        A lot of what krugman says is true, however, we are 17 trillion in debt. So, their is that…

        • November 25, 2012 at 11:40 pm

          Everything he says is true. If this was a half normal country, he’s be secretary of treasury and have the freedom do as he wish. I spoke to someone who is at the top 0.2% in America, and he said: Only Krugman knows what he’s talking about.

          • 194 99ts
            November 25, 2012 at 11:44 pm

            He knows economics – unlike the GOP in congress – might have to polish up the politics if in the administration.

          • 196 theo67
            November 26, 2012 at 12:13 am

            The last time Krugman was offered a position in government (under Clinton), he said ‘no’. I think Krugman is more of a talker, than a doer.

            • November 26, 2012 at 12:21 am

              Or maybe he knows that he doesn’t fit politics. Doesn’t change the fact that he knows more than anyone else and is right 99% of the time.

              • 198 theo67
                November 26, 2012 at 12:37 am

                We’ll have to agree to disagree. I enjoy reading his commentary when he’s being objective, but I believe it’s often limited.

                • 199 Chi
                  November 26, 2012 at 2:24 am

                  Absolutely spot on Theo…

                  Sometimes what seems like a no brainer in theory proves much harder in reality to implement…

                  It’s infinitely easier to write and sound smart , scream, stomp ones feet, criticize, mock and denigrate President Obama from the sidelines…

                  Governing, consensus building, conflict resolution and actual implementation of stuff while having to contend with endless obstruction, hostility and a million other know-it-all voices yelling from the sidelines – not so much…

                  That’s hard – and even harder to pull off in the dignified, calm and amazingly super human way President Obama has pulled it all off…

      • November 25, 2012 at 11:03 pm

        What I’m coming to believe is that Boehner doesn’t possess this basic knowledge or understanding of how the US economy works. Not sure much of anyone on that side of the aisle does. I think they believe the hype they’re peddling and honestly think they have the President over a barrel on this one.

        Further illustrating their ignorance is the fact that they don’t realize the President does understand the economy at every level and has no incentive what-so-ever to cooperate with their tactics. They just don’t get it.

        • November 25, 2012 at 11:23 pm

          The vast majority of the debt was caused by tax cuts, not spending.
          If people had a choice, and are informed, I am sure they would pick spending and tax increases.
          The Only card the republicans have is that the Regan Voodoo-economics has so ribbed our US Treasury, that we have massive debts.
          Luckily. We are seeing Republicans move off of The Norquist pledge. In return, a compromise on Medicare. Not sure what, but we are not going to get everything we want, neither are the Republicans.
          We have to get this manufactured debt under seize, as we have to start spending again, electric grid, transportation, education, all are flatlined because of debt.

          • November 25, 2012 at 11:29 pm

            Durbin indicated Democrats might accept a reform of the government’s Medicare health insurance program for the elderly that would make higher-income seniors pay more for their care.

            Democrats traditionally oppose limiting Medicare benefits according to income, a practice known as “means testing.” Durbin said Medicaid, a public health insurance program for the poor, also could be overhauled.

            But Durbin said Social Security, the federal government pension program, needs only small tweaks to ensure long-term solvency rather than major reforms.


      • 205 99ts
        November 25, 2012 at 11:42 pm

        If Romney had won the election – the debt would miraculously have disappeared. GOP would have kept taxes low, spent a fortune recalling the ACA, tried to privatize SS and medicare – and increased the dept limit with no discussion – other than “we must save America”.

        The only thing that will keep the debt growing is GOP trickle down economics.

        I trust Krugman’s economics much more than that of the GOP fools in congress. When unemployment is reduced, when the rich stop enslaving the poor and when social stability returns – the debt will disappear – the GOP have worked against recovery for 4 long years – no more.

  41. November 25, 2012 at 10:58 pm

    Monday Nov. 26, 2012
    10:30 AM
    Obama and Biden receive the presidential daily briefing.
    11:00 AM
    Obama meets with senior advisors.
    1:30 PM
    Carney briefs the press.

  42. 207 hopefruit2
    November 25, 2012 at 11:27 pm

    Exactly amk!

    • 208 theo67
      November 26, 2012 at 12:40 am

      Perfect comeback, amk!

      • 209 Chi
        November 26, 2012 at 2:31 am

        Theo, you guys have to rein in this fraud Frum…

        He gives perfectly lovely, smart, honest Canadians a bad name with his petty, dishonest, greedy, opportunistic meddling…

        • 210 theo67
          November 26, 2012 at 2:06 pm

          I didn’t even realize he’s Canadian! We definitely have to do something about this – I’m going to pay much closer attention to him from here on out, and challenge him on twitter. Arrgghh – how terrible that he’s Canadian and spouting this type of nonsense. Although, I’m hearing of more and more right wingers in Canada these days.

  43. 211 amk for obama
    November 25, 2012 at 11:30 pm

  44. 212 HZ
    November 26, 2012 at 12:18 am

    Thank you Chips for your loving sacrifice to all of us here. Daily you make this a pure peaceful haven of joy, laughter, living out our dreams of electing a president and re-electing him for his second term.

    Mr. President, our Ms. Chips gives us the courage to move with the audacity to still Hope
    Listen with the heart to be inspired by you daily.
    Work with the steady focus of helping you move FORWARD for all Americans and
    Give your presidency the respect that it so deserves.

    We love you, Chips. We appreciate you, and we will be here to keep lifting up our president each and everyday with:

    We love you, Mr. President, and we Still Have Your Back.

    Goodnight Chips and my TOD family.

  45. November 26, 2012 at 12:26 am

    NC governor elect shifts from transition to Tea Party.

  46. 215 theo67
    November 26, 2012 at 12:43 am

    By the way, that black and white picture at the top of this post is masterful.

  47. November 26, 2012 at 12:48 am

    (Repost from an earlier thread…)

    Speaking of the future happening “under the radar”…

    From the Department of Transportation website:

    “The Department of Transportation is working with States to plan and develop high-speed and intercity passenger rail corridors that range from upgrades to existing services to entirely new rail lines exclusively devoted to 150 to 220 mph trains. Implementing these corridor projects and programs will serve as a catalyst to promote economic expansion (including new manufacturing jobs), create new choices for travelers in addition to flying or driving, reduce national dependence on oil, and foster livable urban and rural communities.”

  48. 217 amk for obama
    November 26, 2012 at 1:14 am

  49. November 26, 2012 at 2:20 am

  50. 224 amk for obama
    November 26, 2012 at 5:40 am

  51. 228 amk for obama
    November 26, 2012 at 7:21 am

    Israel Defence Minister Ehud Barak quits politics

    The Israeli Defence Minister, Ehud Barak, has announced that he is quitting politics and will not be contesting January’s general election.

    Mr Barak, a former military chief of staff who served as prime minister from 1999 to 2001, said he would now concentrate on his personal life.

    “I want to study, to write, to live and have a good time,” he told reporters.

    The 70 year old will remain as defence minister, a post he has held since 2007, until a new government is formed.


    • 229 vcprezofan2
      November 26, 2012 at 7:25 am

      Afternoon, Amk! Isn’t Ehud one of the more ‘reasonable’ souls (i.e. in comparison to Bibi)?

      • 230 amk for obama
        November 26, 2012 at 7:48 am

        He used to be a thorn during Obama’s 1st term, remember the forced settlements in Gaza just when Biden was visiting there a coupla years back ? But of late, he seems to have mellowed and may be this quitting is probably he disagrees with nut n yahoo on way forward.

        • 231 desertflower
          November 26, 2012 at 7:52 am

          But he did say this:

          CNN) – Israel’s Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Defense Ehud Barak said the Obama White House has been the most supportive administration throughout the two countries’ diplomatic relations on matters of Israeli security, in an interview to air Monday on “The Situation Room with Wolf Blitzer.”

          Barak -also a former prime minister of Israel – said that though historically administrations from both political parties have supported the Jewish state President Obama’s support, security-wise, is unparalleled.

        • 232 vcprezofan2
          November 26, 2012 at 8:16 am

          ‘may be this quitting is probably he disagrees with nut n yahoo on way forward.’

          Something similar crossed my mind when I first read your comment.

  52. 233 vcprezofan2
    November 26, 2012 at 7:47 am

    Rats, thought I was ‘safe’ for today! Just got called to work which means that I have an hour to get ready and will be least in sight today! 😕

    Have a wonderful day, y’all! 😆 Catch you later.

    • 234 desertflower
      November 26, 2012 at 7:49 am

      Have a great day, vc! No sitting around with your foot in the TOD door today:)

      • 235 vcprezofan2
        November 26, 2012 at 8:10 am

        You mean, no riding herd on you guys today, which is particularly ‘hard’ since I was offline yesterday doing my supportive parent bit in a venue I’m not fond of – classical music. You ever spent two hours listening to the ‘Wind Symphony’ and the ‘Wind Ensemble’ when you’d rather be checking out the ‘wind’ in TODville? And this does not take into account travel and wait time because offspring had to be there three hours in advance of performance for final rehearsal! Ah, the sacrifices of parenthood! Anyway, it was supposedly good, as per other parents (you do remember I ain’t at all musical, right). Enjoy your Monday! 😆

  53. November 26, 2012 at 7:58 am

    WH report on fiscal cliff. Not good-

    Click to access consumer_report_embargo.pdf

    This is not what Krugman says. WH believes the fiscal cliff is dangerous because of the psychological implications to the system.

    • 239 desertflower
      November 26, 2012 at 8:05 am

      Because we keep using words like CLIFF when it’s more like a curb…portends impending doom!

    • 241 utaustinliberal
      November 26, 2012 at 8:44 am

      It’s not a fiscal cliff. It’s more like a fiscal curve or a fiscal slope. I believe the white house is just ringing the alarm because they want republicans to play ball. Even if the issue is not resolved this year, on January 1st, 2013 the economy doesn’t automatically collapse. (It will only have repercussions if we go more than two or three months without a budgetary plan) Spending cuts will be enacted and tax rates go up. The one thing that occurs is that these are austerity measures. if this occurs, then everything after that will just be talks on how to give the middle-class tax cuts and we can retroactively go back and give the middle-class their bush era tax cuts, payroll tax cuts, unemployment benefits etc.

      There’s no cause for screaming fire in a crowded room.

  54. 242 desertflower
    November 26, 2012 at 8:23 am

    A new CNN/ORC poll finds 53% of the country has an unfavorable view of the Republican Party and only 42% want to see congressional Republican have more influence than the president over the direction the nation takes in the next two years. And seven in ten say the GOP has not done enough to cooperate with Obama.

    All of that helps explain why more Americans would blame the Republicans in Congress rather than Obama if the fiscal cliff provisions actually go into effect next year, 45% to 34%.

  55. 244 desertflower
    November 26, 2012 at 8:39 am


    So here is the Republican Party reinventing itself. The GOP majority in the Ohio legislature rushes to defund Planned Parenthood in its post-election session. The orange-tinted speaker of the House proposes to undo Obamacare through “oversight” in the name of “solving our debt and restoring prosperity.” Never mind that health-care reform doesn’t raise the deficit but reduces it. Or that “a new low,” 33 percent of Americans, the anti-Obama bitter-enders, still favor repealing the law (PDF). And a rising star in the GOP future, Florida Sen. Marco Rubio, offers a dim view out of the pre-Darwinian past that maybe the Earth was created in seven days—and that since “theologians” disagree, we should teach “multiple theories.”

    This doesn’t sound like rethinking, or thinking at all, but like the reflex and revanchism of a party that doesn’t comprehend or simply can’t respond to the dimensions of its 2012 defeat. There’s not just the delicious irony that maladroit Mitt Romney, the 47 percent man, will end up with 47 percent of the vote. Outside the South, President Obama defeated his opponent 55 to 45 percent, winning a landslide there as well as in the Electoral College. The bottom line: Romney got elected president of the old confederacy.

  56. 245 desertflower
    November 26, 2012 at 8:47 am


    For much of the year, millions of voters received frequent emails from Obama for America, invariably about one aspect of the campaign or the other. Nearly all of the messages involved fundraising, organizing, or some form of election-related activism.

    With this in mind, it came as something of a surprise last week when Obama for America sent out a new, post-election message last week, which read, “Thanks to your feedback, we’re taking immediate action on one of your suggestions: keeping you informed about how the President is fighting for you so you can continue to talk to your friends, family, and neighbors.” The topic: ongoing talks about the nation’s fiscal future, and President Obama’s “concrete plan to reduce the deficit so we can grow the economy.”

    Jim Messina, the president’s campaign manager, told reporters last week, OFA intends to do far more activism along these lines. “People just spent five years winning two elections together,” he said. “They’re not now just going to walk away.”

    The New York Times reports today on Team Obama’s “second chance to keep his election-year supporters animated.”

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