Rise and Shine



10:15: President Obama hosts the bipartisan, bicameral leadership of Congress at the White House; VP Biden also attends.

2:0: President Obama and VP Biden meet with leaders of civic organizations and other groups, including the Human Rights Campaign, the NAACP, AARP and National Council of La Raza




Michael Tomasky: What is going on with John McCain? Maybe he just despises Barack Obama so completely that he almost can’t help himself. That’s one option. Another is that he has decided for whatever reason to finish his Senate career as a full-out tea partier. A third is that he’s just a nasty man, which is pretty widely known to be true in Washington.

Hard to say. But this jihad of his against Susan Rice really is about the nastiest thing we’ve ever seen him do. Rice had nothing to do with security at the Benghazi consulate. Nothing….

…. in 2005, McCain and Graham fiercely defended Condi Rice from Democratic attacks of “lying,” arguing she had been misled by intelligence. “I can only conclude we’re doing this for no other reason than because of lingering bitterness at the outcome of the elections,” McCain complained when Condi Rice’s nomination came to a vote.

Amazing. The man needs an intervention. Isn’t there anyone who loves him who can tell him what he’s doing to what remains of his reputation?

Full post here




Mike Thompson


This is a great article – read it here. Thank you Meta!



See here

….. ah, here it is – thank you Donna!



Moooooooorning everyone!

275 Responses to “Rise and Shine”

  1. 1 utaustinliberal
    November 16, 2012 at 9:06 am


  2. 15 utaustinliberal
    November 16, 2012 at 9:10 am

    Nice write up by Michael Tomasky. McCain has gone off the deep end.

    • 16 anniebella
      November 16, 2012 at 9:39 am

      ut, I agree. John McCain is a senile bitter old man, and I don’t know what to think of his lying little sidekick from South Carolina.

    • 17 TrumpDog
      November 16, 2012 at 9:43 am

      He’s a Senator and who are YOU to question what end he’s done off????

      Seriously, he’s always been like that, “liberal media just hasn’t caught up.

  3. 18 hopefruit2
    November 16, 2012 at 9:14 am

    G’morning Chips, TOD, lurkers, everyone, and Happy Friday 🙂

  4. 24 Roberts in MN
    November 16, 2012 at 9:16 am

    Congrats UT on first. GM Chips hope everyone is going to have a fantastic Friday & weekend. This typing on my iPhone sucks. Can hardly wait to get my laptop back.

    • 25 hopefruit2
      November 16, 2012 at 9:34 am

      Don’t worry Roberts! Remember Willard said that Obama is giving his voters “gifts?” You might just get a brand new iPad or laptop in the mail soon!!

      Still waiting for my gift. I fantasize about what it’s going to be. An all-expense paid 5-star resort vacation? A new BMW? A new 5-bedroom home? Who knows, the possibilities are endless…

  5. 27 amk for obama
    November 16, 2012 at 9:18 am

    The elections are over, we won a mandate. So why are we still talking about the thugs like mccain, msm hacks, et.al., again?

    How about we talk about moving forward with the dems agenda?

    • November 16, 2012 at 9:24 am

      McCain can hardly be ignored seeing as he’s started the campaign to block Susan Rice – the more his dishonesty and bitterness is exposed up to then, the better. Morning Amk!

      • 29 amk for obama
        November 16, 2012 at 9:57 am

        Oh, I don’t know Chips. Ever since the tuesday’s historic moment, all we have heard is the rethugs’ framing of issues, be it Benghazi, secstate or debt ceiling or whatever crap. We are just being reactive than being proactive. Same as before.

        My $ 0.02.

        • November 16, 2012 at 10:04 am

          Your $0.02 is always welcome Amk. I know what you mean, but it’s hard for us to ignore how all of this is being framed, and in some cases I think the pushback has been great, especially on Susan Rice. But yep, point taken.

          • 31 Japa21
            November 16, 2012 at 10:14 am

            We can’t ignore it since the media is pushing the crap out there every day. As you say, the pushback has been tremendous. And sometimes, it is hard to be pro-active when you are dealing with inaccurate, illogical lunacy which is what all the crap is. You can’t prevent it from being spewed from the sewers of the minds of people like McCain. But you can make sure that the response (I won’t even call it reaction) is quick and effective. And that is what is happening. McCain has been placed on the defensive for making his big speech about the adminsitration not providing info while at the time he was doing that he was missing a Senate hearing on exactly that topic.

      • 33 Pamela
        November 16, 2012 at 10:35 am

        Not to mention his advanced dementia, which some people can compensate for by appearing to be their normal selves, as long as everything around them remains unchanged, they navigate well enough. Then again, some folks just thrive on self-humiliation, and he will NEVER EVER EVER live down that thing he threatened to put 2nd in command. NEVER. bye-bye!

  6. 34 Japa21
    November 16, 2012 at 9:18 am

    GM to the entire TODville community, home of smart thinkers, people who believe that we all matter, not just the 1%, people who believe that the future is more important than the past, people who believe that what we do now must be predicated on leaving a better world for those who follow us, and of course, home to the hostess with the mostest, our own Perle Mesta, Chips, she who hobbles through life, putting aside her own pain and suffering to bring us together. (Was that a long enough sentence? Almost Joyceian.)

    • November 16, 2012 at 9:26 am

      🙂 “who hobbles through life”! Thank you Japa, what a beautiful morning greeting – I’d agree it was Joyceian, except I only got to page two of Ulysses before giving up, and didn’t try reading anything else by him. So I’m not even sure what Joyceian means 😳 (Unreadable?)

      • 36 Japa21
        November 16, 2012 at 9:33 am

        I never read anything by Joyce, but my understanding is that he wrote in extremely long sentences. I don’t consider the staqtement I made about my own writing to have been complimentary. And I thought I was being very flattering to you, saying that you view all of us to be so important that you put your pain and suffering second to our well-being.

  7. 42 desertflower
    November 16, 2012 at 9:19 am

    Toast to the “nerds”!! http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/11/16/obamas_digital_fundraising_efforts_surged.html

    President Obama’s re-election campaign raised $690 million digitally in 2012, up from about $500 million in 2008. The total number of donors increased to 4.4 million individuals, up from 3.95 million four years ago, Time reports.

    “But when the final numbers are counted, Obama’s aides now expect more than $1 billion dollars to have been raised by the 2012 campaign and its affiliated party committees, breaking the 10-figure milestone for the first time in history. The reason is simple: the campaign brought in more small-dollar fundraising through email, social media, mobile and its website during the final months of the race than initially projected.”

  8. November 16, 2012 at 9:21 am

    I don’t even know how that mother gets out of bed in the morning. Her story just stabs me in my heart.

  9. 47 donna dem 4 obama
    November 16, 2012 at 9:29 am

    For those who missed it on the previous thread. Our VP Joe aka/”Precious Cargo” on Parks and Rec last night.


  10. 49 TrumpDog
    November 16, 2012 at 9:38 am

    Am I the only one that sawt the pic of the Moores and assumed Damien was a Secret Service agent?
    He looked so serious, like he was standing guard. He’d fit riight it to Obama ‘s team

    Not making light of his loss or anything. I feel so bad for their loss, my heart goes out to them. It’s so sad Hoping the president provided some comfort. 😦

    • 50 anniebella
      November 16, 2012 at 9:58 am

      TD, I thought the same thing when I first saw the picture. I was looking around for Mr. Moore, but then see him, till I learn that the well dressed white guy standing there was Mr. Moore, then this morning I saw a picture of those two beautiful boys they lost. My my my, how sad.

  11. 53 gobrooklyn
    November 16, 2012 at 9:51 am

    New York Post cover seems surprisingly decent.

    • November 16, 2012 at 10:09 am

      Yeah, that one surprised me GB, considering how anti-PBO they are. I have such a low opinion of them, I half wondered if they were being sarcastic – I don’t remember him saying “I’ll try to make it right”, he said everyone working together would fix it.

  12. 57 relellit
    November 16, 2012 at 9:55 am

    Good Morning Todville and Ms Chips

    Yes, you are the Hostess withe the mostest Ms Chips Yeaaaa:)

    Everyone have a beautiful day. It should be interesting,

    Congrats utaustinliberal on 1st

  13. November 16, 2012 at 9:57 am

    Good morning friends. Couple questions for y’all….the first one I asked last week but was probably too early to get answer. The other one is a question from a friend. First, how did the military vote, especially active duty, come out? Second, how about the NON-evangelical vote? Remember, there was a chart with Catholics, Mormons, Evangelicals, etc. but it did not include NON-evangelical–the more mainstream Christians. Appreciate anyone who can find these answers. Thanks!!!

  14. 60 Ladyhawke
    November 16, 2012 at 9:59 am


    5 ‘Gifts’ Mitt Romney Gave America


    In his sour-grapes postmortem of the 2012 presidential race, Republican Mitt Romney attributed his decisive defeat to expensive policy “gifts” that President Obama doled out to Democratic constituencies: African-Americans, Latinos, and young voters.

    Stories in the Los Angeles Times and The New York Times smartly point out the problems with his argument. For instance, “Obama won several key states without large cities or minority populations,” wrote Maeve Reston of the Los Angeles Times. “And he did so in part by asserting that it was Romney who was planning to disburse gifts–by virtue of a budget plan that included tax breaks heavily skewed toward the wealthy.”

    So let’s take a moment to thank Romney for the gifts he bestowed upon voters in his failed campaign.



  15. 64 dotster3
    November 16, 2012 at 10:03 am

    I can probably live the rest of my life without Twinkies, as I’ve managed so far, but I am sad about the demise of Wonder bread. My first school field trip was to our local Wonder bread bakery, and I think it was an annual excursion. It was either that or the cement plant for our lesson in manufacturing. And the bakery smelled so much better. And our little personal loaves of warm, just out of the oven, squishy, yummy bread was much more satisfying than a handful of cement dust.
    Sad that I read that Hostess/Wonder was now owned by 2 greedy hedge funds who shut down rather than decently paying their bakers. Bain?

    • November 16, 2012 at 10:07 am

      I had the same school field trip in San Jose, CA! The smell of that bread baking is such a strong sense memory. And at the end they gave us all a slice of bread sealed in see-through wrapping. What a trip to remember that!

    • 66 yardarm756
      November 16, 2012 at 10:47 am

      Oooo dotster. I remember that too. There was a Wonder Bread plant on 55th & State St. in Chicago that kept the whole neighborhood smelling good. Ahhh. Memories!

      • 67 dudette9t9
        November 16, 2012 at 4:09 pm

        There’s one in Fayetteville NC near my old high school. It was heavenly driving past the smell of fresh baked bread every morning. It’s loss will be a huge blow for the employees and the rest of the community.

    • 72 Obama Grandmama
      November 16, 2012 at 9:45 pm

      Wonder Bread? Squishy for sure. I remember you could squeeze it into a ball.

  16. 74 amk for obama
    November 16, 2012 at 10:13 am

    • 75 Ladyhawke
      November 16, 2012 at 10:29 am

      Democrat to GOP in Benghazi Hearing ‘If you want to know who is responsible in this town, buy yourself a mirror!’

      By Jason Easley


      Republicans were also warned by their own side to stop playing games regarding funding Libya to little avail.

      They were told that they were putting our security at risk, but the taste of socking it to Obama was too delicious. It turns out that while they were playing juvenile games of “gotcha”, lives were indeed on the line, just as Clinton and even right wing policy makers warned Republicans.

      Now that the results of their obstruction are staring us all in the face, instead of owning up to it, they are screaming at the top of their lungs that it’s the other guy’s fault and he’s a liar. Usually, this method of distraction works well for Republicans, as the media follows their pointing fingers to a shiny ball and forgets to go look up just who denied that funding.



      • 76 amk for obama
        November 16, 2012 at 10:33 am

        Yup, Saw that LH and posted it in the earlier thread.

        It’s high time the dems call out the bs 24xx7. Beat the fucking media on their heads with truth.

  17. 77 xtine
    November 16, 2012 at 10:15 am

    Congrats on 1st UT! Thanks for that great Atlantic article, Chips/Meta! Here’s a little from it that I found nice about the tech cool nerds, their experience became profound:

    “But of course, he and his whole team of nerds were changed by the experience. They learned what it was like to have — and work with people who had — a higher purpose than building cool stuff. “Teddy [Goff] would tear up talking about the President. I would be like, ‘Yeah, that guy’s cool,'” Reed said. “It was only towards the end, the middle of 2012, when we realized the gravity of what we were doing.”

    Part of that process was Reed, a technologist’s technolgoist, learning the limits of his own power. “I remember at one point basically breaking down during the campaign because I was losing control. The success of it was out of my hands,” he told me. “I felt like the people I hired were right, the resources we argued for were right. And because of a stupid mistake, or people were scared and they didn’t adopt the technology or whatever, something could go awry. We could lose.”

    And losing, they felt more and more deeply as the campaign went on, would mean horrible things for the country. They started to worry about the next Supreme Court Justices while they coded.

    “There is the egoism of technologists. We do it because we can create. I can handle all of the parameters going into the machine and I know what is going to come out of it,” Reed said. “In this, the control we all enjoyed about technology was gone.”


    • 78 utaustinliberal
      November 16, 2012 at 10:46 am

      Wow. What an intense write up. This is one more difference between Pres. Obama’s team and the GOP. Pres. Obama’s team felt drawn to a higher calling. They genuinely believed they were there to do good. They genuinely respected, admired and believed in their guy, his values and his policies. They’re just like the volunteers who participated in GOTV efforts; who walked miles, had doors slammed in their faces, had calls dropped on them. It was all worth it because a future with Barack Obama as President, was worth all the interim angst, anguish and anxiety.

    • 79 PoliticalJunkessa
      November 16, 2012 at 1:24 pm

      I love this. President Obama has brought about a complete paradigm shift. We haven’t had this type of explosion of creativity since Kennedy, I would guess.

    • 80 dudette9t9
      November 16, 2012 at 6:01 pm

      Nerds Rule! 🙂

  18. 81 amk for obama
    November 16, 2012 at 10:21 am

  19. 82 hopefruit2
    November 16, 2012 at 10:26 am

  20. 84 anniebella
    November 16, 2012 at 10:28 am

    The Rachel Maddow video, the first Republican Congressman speaking his lies is the Congressman from Texas who apologize to BP the oil company responsible for that terrible oil spill in the gulf. I loved how the Democrats stood up to those lying hateful Republicans. As the Governor of Mass. said at the DNC, it’s time for the Democrats to grow some backbone and it seem they have.

  21. 85 amk for obama
    November 16, 2012 at 10:29 am

  22. 88 yardarm756
    November 16, 2012 at 10:30 am

    Reveille, reveille.Up all hands. Heave out and trice up all bunks, the smoking lamp is lit. Reveille, reveille!

  23. 89 andogriff
    November 16, 2012 at 10:32 am

    GM everyone! Hiya yardarm… and Ms Chips, so happy to hear your ankle is better today!

  24. 90 amk for obama
    November 16, 2012 at 10:39 am

  25. 92 57andfemale
    November 16, 2012 at 10:44 am

    The first jackass out of the House hearing with Petraeus was Peter King, who couldn’t wait to get to the microphone to intimate that because Petraeus says that with current information now they have determined it was a terrorist attack, means the Obama administration was lying 5 days after the attack.

    Waiting to hear what Democrats are saying.

  26. 97 dotster3
    November 16, 2012 at 10:48 am

    I’m assuming the AP knows as much as I do about this—-may be assuming too much. But I’m reading their write-up of Obama’s visit to NY yesterday, and it’s going along pretty good, with descriptions of the comfort he provided and his quotes, but then—–they inserted a couple of complaints from local residents. “Why wasn’t he here sooner?” etc. And AP chose not to reveal Bloomburg’s role in that. Not one word of explanation about Bloomburg waving him off when he wanted to go there way back when he toured N.J. That kind of thing just makes me furious. What the press neglects to say is purposely misleading and dishonest reporting. Unethical. Our press continues to fail our democracy with this inexcusable negligence.

  27. 98 57andfemale
    November 16, 2012 at 11:01 am

    Was there any news on the meeting between PBO and business leaders?

  28. 99 Kreen
    November 16, 2012 at 11:12 am

    Morning everyone. CHIPS I hope the ankle’s getting better! Great day all

  29. 100 57andfemale
    November 16, 2012 at 11:17 am

    Oh fuck. Sounds like Petraeus is putting the knife in PBO’s back: that the terrorist attack language was in the original talking points but was taken out by other ‘agencies of the Obama administration’.

    Why do Dem’s let Republicans get out there first?!

  30. 106 57andfemale
    November 16, 2012 at 11:17 am

  31. 108 xtine
    November 16, 2012 at 11:22 am


    “Maine GOP chair Charlie Webster defended himself to TPM on charges that he was racist suggesting black people committed voter fraud in rural counties in his state.

    “Said Webster: “There’s nothing about me that would be discriminatory. I know black people. I play basketball every Sunday with a black guy. He’s a great friend of mine. Nobody would ever accuse me of suggesting anything.”

  32. 112 yardarm756
    November 16, 2012 at 11:28 am

    Okay. Your chuckle for today. Especially for the ladies and for dudes who don’t have a clue.

  33. November 16, 2012 at 11:29 am

    Hi just popped in to see what is happening in TOD. What a man, he is so caring and we are definately blessed to have such a good man as president, I hope his visit gave the people of Staten Island some comfort.

    Been a hard day here as we have just gotten back from our friend’s funeral. It was heartwrenching. I know this is gonna sound dumb but I just needed to hear PBO’s voice and see him on here – yeah it sounds whacko I know. There is so much more I want to say but just can’t get it together at the moment.

    • 117 dudette9t9
      November 16, 2012 at 6:36 pm

      I’m so sorry for your loss, Sam! I hope you were able to find some comfort in the gathering of family & friends, to share memories and to love & support each other.

      I don’t think it’s whacko at all to seek out PBO’s voice. He’s our Consoler-in-Chief. People know that he cares about & understands those in pain. We see it in his actions, we hear it in his voice. People feel the inner peace that exudes from him. It’s palpable. It’s soothing. This is one of the many things that make him a great leader. It’s why so many people love him. It’s okay to feel that. Millions do.

      As you honor your friend’s memory, remember to take care of yourself. Be well.

  34. November 16, 2012 at 11:29 am

    HIdee O’s on this great getting up start of the week-end day in TOD town!!! An oil rig has exploded in the Gulf of Mexico. Location about 20 miles south of Grand Island La. So far, 4 casualties being air lifted by helicopter, 2 people missing. Too sad.

  35. 119 cluny
    November 16, 2012 at 11:30 am

    Very lovely, flattering write up of PBO visit to Staten Island:


    (note – different to the one cited above)

  36. 123 dotster3
    November 16, 2012 at 11:33 am

  37. 124 hopefruit2
    November 16, 2012 at 11:34 am

    According to this article, Mitt Romney claims that Bill Clinton did this:

    // “I spoke with President Clinton the day before yesterday. He called and spent 30 minutes chatting with me. He said, ‘A week out, I thought you were going to win.’ And he said, ‘But the hurricane happened, and it gave the president a chance to be presidential, and to look bipartisan. And you know, he got a little more momentum.’ And of course he also said that when he was watching Ann speak at the Republican convention, he decided he was tempted to join the Republican Party. So he may have just been effusive with generous comments as he chatted. He was very complimentary, by the way, of how well we did with middle-class voters, and he said they were surprised by how strong we were in Ohio and in other states with middle-class voters, they did exceptionally well with minorities, but white, middle-class voters, we really cleaned up with and that caught them by surprise.” //


    If Bill Clinton said any of this, then he’s even a bigger traitor than I thought. But I know Mitt Romney to be a LIAR so I’ll wait to see if this really happened.

    • 125 4morefor44
      November 16, 2012 at 11:52 am

      clearly a “divide and conquer” attempt by republicans to get democrats arguing with each, especially right after such a bonding election. that’s why “the news” is also pushing hillary in 2016 so hard right now too…they know how the clintons are such lightning rods. let’s focus on how we’re going to win the house in 2014.

    • 126 xtine
      November 16, 2012 at 11:59 am

      I don’t believe a word of this, HF! I also don’t believe the conversation took place at all! What reason would Clinton have to call Willard? Then that Ann lie! I don’t think anyone would be anywhere near tempted to become a repub after 30 seconds of listening to her! Romney just plain lies all the time. I’d love to hear the audio recording of that imaginary conversation! 🙂

    • November 16, 2012 at 12:02 pm

      Unless confirmed by President Clinton, it’s just more of Romney doing the only thing besides destroying companies that he has any skill – LYING.

    • 128 cookemom
      November 16, 2012 at 12:05 pm

      “And of course he also said that when he was watching Ann speak at the Republican convention, he decided he was tempted to join the Republican Party.” Now c’mon are we to believe that Bill was doing anything but stroking an already inflated ego? Yeah, he may have thrown Mitt a conciliatory bone, but there sure wasn’t any meat on it. Of course Mitt, in his hermetically sealed bubble would actually take it as a literal expression of awe and wonder by Bill. Kinda like, ‘he likes me! He likes me! He really really likes me!!”

      • 129 hopefruit2
        November 16, 2012 at 12:09 pm

        I don’t think Bill said any of that. Why would Clinton feel the need to (1) Call Romney and (2) Stroke his ego like this?

        • 130 cookemom
          November 16, 2012 at 12:12 pm

          To get his daily chuckle perhaps??? I know it would crack me up. I’d put him on speaker with all my friends in the room listening. We’d be ROTFLOAO!!!!

    • 131 57andfemale
      November 16, 2012 at 12:19 pm

      I heard this a day or two ago. Have not heard a word from Clinton, either way. It’s all very strange. If it was anyone but Romney you’d think no one would be that craven as to say he had a 30-minute conversation with someone and have it be a lie. But it’s DimMitt and yes — he’s capable of making the whole thing up.

      I wouldn’t mind a refutation from Clinton, however.

      • November 16, 2012 at 2:19 pm

        What is this strange love affair with the Clintons from the Repubs about ? They never seem to have any bad things to say about them these days. Now they are going after Ambassador Rice and leaving Hillary out of it. I love the Clintons but do not trust these Repubs.

        • 133 57andfemale
          November 16, 2012 at 2:35 pm

          Yeah, unless Hillary runs in 2016. Republicans the Clintons almost as much as the black guy in the White House.

          The bizarre thing about this story is that evidently Mitt didn’t get the memo that Bill Clinton worked his ass off to help reelect Barack Obama. But that would require he have a clue about what is happening in the world.

          Man, we skirted a Major Disaster with this dumb ass.

    • 134 nospin
      November 16, 2012 at 7:49 pm

      “Mitt Romney claims that Bill Clinton did this”

      that already proves it is a lie.

  38. November 16, 2012 at 11:40 am

  39. 136 hopefruit2
    November 16, 2012 at 11:46 am

    • 137 cookemom
      November 16, 2012 at 11:52 am

      Gallop was the worse of the worst pollsters during the election. I wouldn’t take anything they had to say worth more than a grain of salt. Even good news for our side is suspect. They lulled the repubs into a false sense of security with their erroneous reporting.

      • 138 FiredUpInCA
        November 16, 2012 at 3:50 pm

        I only found out this year that Gallup has been off the past few election cycles. By being so far out of sync with other polling this election season, they seem to have done great, if not irreparable damage to their brand. I can’t trust any of their polling anymore until I verify it with a credible pollster.

  40. 139 cluny
    November 16, 2012 at 11:50 am

    The account I read of the Petreaus testimony is NOT critical of either PBO or Susan Rice – he explicitly removes them from any blame re changing talking points. The take is that talking points were modified for intelligence/security reasons. I read it on Huff Po so did not want to link (it may be an AP piece but I’m not sure). But please don’t worry (for those who were getting anxious by an earlier post up thread).

    • 140 cookemom
      November 16, 2012 at 11:59 am

      Can’t recall the names, but it sounds to me that the issue has shifted from Susan Rice to why so little security in Benghazi. It seems that Petreaus did not stab PBO or Dr. Rice in the back. More likely, there was some redaction of information in the report that Dr. Rice left out for security reasons when she visited the Sunday shows. The only 2 people making noise is Lyin’ Little Lindsey and McHuffnPuff.

      • November 16, 2012 at 12:07 pm

        I didn’t get the ‘stab in the back’ feeling from what is being reported:


        Rep. Adam Schiff, D-Calif., said Petraeus disputed Republican suggestions that the White House misled the public on what led to the violence in the midst of President Barack Obama’s re-election campaign.

        “There was an interagency process to draft it, not a political process,” Schiff said after the hearing. “They came up with the best assessment without compromising classified information or source or methods. So changes were made to protect classified information.
        “The general was adamant there was no politicization of the process, no White House interference or political agenda,” Schiff said. “He completely debunked that idea.”

        Schiff said Petraeus said Rice’s comments in the television interviews “reflected the best intelligence at the time that could be released publicly.”

        King said Petraeus had briefed the House committee on Sept. 14 and he does not recall Petraeus being so positive at that time that it was a terrorist attack. “He thought all along that he made it clear there was terrorist involvement,” King said. “That was not my recollection.”

        • 142 57andfemale
          November 16, 2012 at 2:09 pm

          yeah. Listen to the AP news feed and you’d get another feeling. It’s despicable the way they are trying to spin this. They are the news feed that WCPT progressive radio in Chicago uses.

          There is a lot of good information coming out of the testimony, no doubt. Think Progress is ahead of it, etc. but we have to be diligent to make sure RWNJ’s don’t get to set the narrative.

          I just listened to the AP ‘update’, only quoting Republican Saxby Chambliss that he was ‘pleased’ to ‘clarify some issues’. Then AP went on, saying that Petraeus said he always thought that it was a terrorist attack.

          So there’s the soundbite. We have our soundbites to use as well, but Repubs are out there first.

          Yet to hear one Democrat quoted on the AP news feed on this. If you’re really busy right now, as we all are with Thanksgiving on the horizon, this is what you’re hearing on the news, running from errand to errand over this busy weekend. Even on progressive radio (until Thom Hartmann does a detailed explanation later in the day).

          • 143 ctgirl7
            November 16, 2012 at 2:29 pm

            No doubt there is spin! Heck, republicans are great at spinning. I chuckle when I see McCain and his sidekick doing their little dance, because I know that POTUS is so good at moving out of the way and allowing his opponents to destroy themselves 🙂

            Another thing we should not forget, even though clearly the republicans are not ready to admit to this new norm – the democrats grew a spine in the last general election. They are prepared to fight.

            Please proceed Senators!

    • 144 57andfemale
      November 16, 2012 at 12:23 pm

      Ah! Thank you! Leave it AP to spin it another way.

      It was Darrell Issa’s committee that outed a CIA location in Libya. It drives me insane that they can get away with destroying our intelligence apparatus for political gain. We will never know how many people were put in danger because of the Valerie Plame matter.

      Yes, I was the worrier. I will refrain…… In my defense, the AP radio report was pretty damning. The truth often gets swallowed up by the narrative, which was why I got upset.

    • November 16, 2012 at 12:36 pm

      The MSM is making it look like Petraeus threw Susan Rice under the bus. We need to fight back hard on this as I’m sure POTUS will.

      • 146 anniebella
        November 16, 2012 at 12:50 pm

        After all the B.S we have seen from the media during the election, haven’t we learn anything from the MSM yet?

      • 149 57andfemale
        November 16, 2012 at 2:15 pm

        I’m seeing spin everywhere and it’s making me dizzy. I wish we could just have seen the testimony and could make our own observations.

        And oh, great, Sestak is talking shit on Ed Schultz, saying that there is always a ‘political’ element right after talking about taking out the terrorist information. Being all Democrat-y, fair-ish. He’s not doing any kind of terrible damage, but he certainly isn’t really helping our side of the narrative.

  41. 150 PoliticalJunkessa
    November 16, 2012 at 12:13 pm

    Those little boys….sigh. 😥 😥 😥

  42. 151 Phillyinja
    November 16, 2012 at 12:20 pm

    Hey Chips I hope your ankle is better today. We have to scratch our plans of watching sunset all weekend as sadly my son got sick and I had to take him to the doctor so Im home all day from work. As for that idiot McCain, he really needs to go retire.

  43. 152 jacquelineoboomer
    November 16, 2012 at 12:26 pm

    I’ve never before heard of any President naming the HUD Secretary to oversee a recovery area. Brilliant (and caring). Yet another brilliant decision. Totally brilliant. Thank you, President Obama!

    And good morning/afternoon, TODville!

    • 153 cookemom
      November 16, 2012 at 12:34 pm

      That really does make sense doesn’t it? I see a logical overlap of duties with HUD involved with housing for the displaced. Oh but had PBO or someone with intelligence been in charge during Katrina. smh

      • 154 jacquelineoboomer
        November 16, 2012 at 12:51 pm

        Katrina was more shame for our country, as if we needed more – smh, too. We can never go back to all that – we have our model now, methinks.

    • November 16, 2012 at 12:49 pm

      And he just so happens to be Shaun Donovan, who was head of NY’s housing authority.

  44. 157 HZ
    November 16, 2012 at 12:49 pm

    Beautiful Morning to my lovely Chips and my TOD Family. First, Chips make sure there is rest for your foot today and stop and have a nice cup of your favorite. (((((( Lots of warm healing hugs from me))))))))).

    Also, let us have a joyful day and keep our eyes on our fineeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee POTUS. “Grampy and sour Linsay Nothing” will not spoil our beautiful victory. We are going to continue to celebrate this day and everyday going FORWARD.

    We the people gave each other a Winner, President Barack H. Obama and VP Joseph R. Biden for another 4 years! Now take that Mitten and leave us alone. Those are the most important and beautiful gifts we received, and we are grateful for both being in our lives and our nation. Celebrate Today.

    We are going to enjoy our victory. Guard your space with lovely, uplifting moments and actions today, TOD family.

    Let us remember the many families who are trying to put goodness into their
    space with their lives as they are healing from the tough times from the damage that they all are trying to heal from the storm, Sandy. Pray for the children, seniors, and All who need our help financially and prayfully. I love you, my TOD family((((((( Keep goodness in your space)))))))))HZ.

    • 158 mtmarilyn
      November 16, 2012 at 1:15 pm

      Good morning Chips, TOD family, and wonderful HZ. This place is such a blessing. Thank you to everyone. I continue to be high on the President being reelected. And so mad at the stupid Repubs. Now off to a busy day.

  45. 159 ctgirl7
    November 16, 2012 at 12:49 pm

    Rep. Peter King (R-NY) has admitted that the CIA and intelligence community approved U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. Susan Rice’s talking points before she made her much-derided Sept. 16 appearance on several Sunday news shows to discuss the attacks in Benghazi. King, one of the most outspoken critics of the Obama administration’s response to the attack, came to his conclusion following testimony from former CIA Director David Petraeus.

    After leaving the closed-door hearing, King spoke with reporters for several minutes about Petraeus’ statements. Rice’s television appearances were among the topics discussed, leading King to indicate that while Petraeus did not personally write Rice’s talking points, the CIA did approve them:


  46. 164 dudette9t9
    November 16, 2012 at 12:56 pm

  47. 165 xtine
    November 16, 2012 at 12:59 pm

    “The latest outburst of violence began when Israeli tanks made an incursion into the Gaza strip and killed a 12 year old boy playing football. The two sides then engaged in back and forth attacks that was followed by a brief ceasefire.

    “Israel then broke the cease fire by assassinating Ahmed Jaabari, the commander of Ezedin al Qassam, the military wing of Hamas.


    “What they did not explain is that Ahmed Jaabri was critical to ongoing long term cease fire talks between Hamas and Israel. Jaabri held enormous sway in negotiations because he had the power to keep militants in line at home, and make meaningful concessions to the Israelis. He was instrumental in the negotiated release of the Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit, even personally escorting him to the Rafah crossing with Egypt. According to Gershon Baskin, the Co-Chairman of IPCRI, the Israel Palestine Center for Research and Information, Jaabri was key to a sustained ceasefire agreement with the Israelis.


    “Baskin, who himself is deeply involved with back channel negotiations between the two sides, writes that a new proposal with his input was being drafted for a ceasefire, and Jaabri was tasked with checking reactions from Gaza.

    “Then, he was assassinated.

    “Why would Israel kill someone so crucial to what was left of the fragile ceasefire negotiations? The answer is simple, and you only have to go back to the last invasion of Gaza to see why it happened. ‘Operation Cast Lead’, the assault on Gaza in 2008 that left over 1,400 Palestinians dead occurred two months before Israeli elections. The latest assault on Gaza is again happening two months before the 2013 elections – enough time for Benjamin Netanyahu to get the public behind him in a time of war.”


    • 166 xtine
      November 16, 2012 at 1:12 pm

      [From Haaretz]:

      “Although Israel renounced responsibility for the civilian Palestinian fatalities in Operation Cast Lead, it now prefers to reduce the number of bloody spectacles. Such spectacles, which were not shown on Israeli television in 2008-09, were seen all over the world and raised unprecedented protest.

      “In contrast to the military and PR lesson Israel learned after Cast Lead, it has learned no political lesson this time; it’s sticking to the concept that killing Hamas military and political leaders can subdue the organization.

      “Hamas is a mass movement and an organization with institutions, internal discipline and laws. Unlike Fatah, it doesn’t depend on a charismatic figure or on the personality of one strong leader. Its policy and debates are marked by continuity, even if senior officials are killed by an Israeli missile or bomb.

      “Israel’s leaders could have learned this lesson a long time ago had they wanted to. They could also conclude that military attacks on the entire Palestinian population unite it behind its leaders and silence criticism.

      “The Gazans have many reasons to complain about Hamas, which deserves its reputation as an oppressive ruler. But even Hamas’ opponents are convinced that Israel is not just the occupier but the aggressor as well. So when the attack is over, Hamas will remain, probably stronger.”


  48. 167 dudette9t9
    November 16, 2012 at 1:00 pm

    • November 16, 2012 at 1:17 pm

      The press were already writing her epitaph. Chumps.

      • 169 jacquelineoboomer
        November 16, 2012 at 3:01 pm

        How crude and anti-American is it to falsely and harshly and bitterly put down our United Nations Ambassador in front of the entire world, the world she negotiates with on behalf of our country? APOLOGIZE, McDOOFUS AND YOUR LAPDOG! Then, go home. We got R off the national stage, now it’s time for you two to go.

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  54. November 16, 2012 at 2:02 pm

    Petraeus tells lawmakers CIA always saw Benghazi as terrorism
    Jeremy Herb and Jordy Yager – 11/16/12 01:33 PM ET
    Talking points prepared by the CIA were different than the ones used by Susan Rice, Petraeus told lawmakers. …

    That’s not good!

    • 177 daisydem
      November 16, 2012 at 2:06 pm

      jovie why is your information so different from what we just read above?

      • 178 57andfemale
        November 16, 2012 at 2:21 pm

        If you’re getting your information from Think Progress, it is favorable to us but incomplete. The AP story is favorable to RW but not complete. What Jovie is reporting is what AP reported and subsequently Huffington Post from the AP story. The talking points were different, with changes made by the many agencies of the intelligence community. But AP has shortened that to ‘agencies of the Obama administration’. Everyone is agreeing that Petraeus said he thought it was a terrorist attack from the beginning. What is not being said by everyone is that he said the changes made were for security reasons, and not political.

        Jovie is not to blame for what is in the actual reporting. And so far all I’m hearing are Republicans being quoted on air.

        The explanation of the above RW talking points are difficult to soundbite.

        • 179 daisydem
          November 16, 2012 at 2:35 pm

          I am so tired and really do not want to put up with this kind of “reporting” for the next four years.

          • 180 57andfemale
            November 16, 2012 at 2:39 pm

            Don’t know what we can do, except fight each issue and WIN. This is now about a Democratic majority going into the future to undo Republican damage. The good news — not everyone needs to fight every day with all their might, like we had to to get PBO reelected. But we can’t let this shit slide, either. Republicans are using a great deal of energy to hold on to their narrative – we have to fight them each and every time they try their slimy tactics.

            Yeah, I’m tired too. Real tired. But fighting this stuff means having PBO’s back, and God knows he’s earned it. Just can’t let them make Watergate out of this no-story story.

            • 181 ewok2
              November 16, 2012 at 2:41 pm

              Remember also, these Repugs do not get tired.

              • 182 57andfemale
                November 16, 2012 at 3:26 pm

                here is the message from the election of 2012: if they’re gonna steal 1,000,000 votes, we’ll send 2,000,000. If you’re going to suppress 1,000,000 votes we’ll send 2,000,000 voters to stand in line as long as it takes.

                They are not ready for the fact that we no longer get tired and we’re going to act like the winners this time and fight these miserable, treasonous bastards.

            • 184 nathkatun7
              November 16, 2012 at 5:54 pm

              While agree with you that we need to fight back against misinformation, I don’t see how reporting misinformation by the msm and then expressing alarm as if that information may be true equals fighting back.

          • 185 57andfemale
            November 17, 2012 at 7:21 am

            There’s a big difference between talking about what was actually said in the hearing or repeating ‘misinformation’ from Fox news. Petraeus gave Republicans some good soundbitable stuff if they choose to continue this vendetta. It was not ‘misinformation. I suspect they will not go quietly into the night on this issue and we have to push back and drive the narrative and cede them no ground. I want to cut them off at the knees at every opportunity and not let them advance any of their looney conspiracies into anything that could hurt this President or distract this government from doing something constructive. That is their aim and I don’t want to give them an inch of opportunity.

            I don’t watch Fox or listen to the loons calling in to c-span. But Petraeus did say in the hearing that he always thought it was a terrorist attack. I suspect you will hear this all morning on the Sunday talk shows. Any spin from the right on the Petraeus hearing has to be countered by us. Or we can assume that the hearing was completely favorable to us and create our own bubble. The lines between concern trolling and what requires action are fluid, blurry. It’s the nature of being a Democrat.

    • 186 Japa21
      November 16, 2012 at 2:26 pm

      CNN describes it this way:

      Petraeus testified that he developed unclassified talking points in the days after the attack but he had no direct involvement in developing the ones used by Susan Rice, the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, King said.

      That is different from the way the quote above puts it. He also said that there were multiple sources of intelligence and it took them awhile to make any kind of final interpretation. I don’t know who Herb and Yager are, but they obviously want to twist things.

      • November 16, 2012 at 2:50 pm

        No direct involvement???
        This can be spun, and will be. Even more questions from the Buzzards in Capitiol Hill.
        I say, just make Susan Rice Chief of staff! That will really piss them off, and she is more than qualified!

  55. November 16, 2012 at 2:16 pm

    We just picked up another seat:

    GOP Rep. Brian Bilbray concedes to Democrat Scott Peters in CA52.

  56. November 16, 2012 at 2:21 pm

    Morning all.

    So, Bibi can’t get his war in Iran, so he’s calling up 30K reservists for an invasion of Gaza. My god. I know Israeli civilians are being targeted by Gaza rockets, but Gaza is a prison straight out of “Escape from New York”. Corner 1m people in an area the size of lower Manhattan and the results are predictable. Everyone has gone mad.

  57. November 16, 2012 at 2:24 pm

    Wisconsin and Ohio reject Healthcare exchanges, allowing theFederal Government to do it for them!
    That’s just spite.

    • 198 Japa21
      November 16, 2012 at 2:28 pm

      It is more than spite. If they had done it themselves, they could take at least partial credit for it. When the people discover the benefits, they will know that the GOP didn’t want them to have those benefits.

      Not just spite but stupid as well.

      • 199 57andfemale
        November 16, 2012 at 2:43 pm

        I sometimes wonder if these dumb ass Republican governors understand that the exchanges WILL happen in their states. I’m beginning to wonder if they have even basic knowledge of anything.

        They make it sound as if they are not letting these exchanges operate in their states. From everything I understand, that is flat out wrong.

        Now, they can seriously screw with the effectiveness by not expanding Medicaid which, as I recall, was a right affirmed in the SCOTUS case against PPACA. But having the exchanges in place actually frees many Americans to get affordable health care.

        • 200 57andfemale
          November 16, 2012 at 2:45 pm

          I heard on one of the MSNBC shows last night that the House is trying to cut funding to HHS for getting out the message of what’s available, what it will do, and how Americans can get affordable insurance, and other benefits of PPACA.

    • 201 susanne
      November 16, 2012 at 2:51 pm

      maybe it’s just that they are too dimwitted to figure out how to do it. too much work, too complicated–let the feds do it.

  58. 203 xtine
    November 16, 2012 at 2:46 pm

    [Resident on PBO trip yesterday… 🙂 ]:

    “I got up at 5 a.m. and took the day off to get a good spot to see President Obama,” said Lisa Bongay. “I voted for him twice. He wanted to come two weeks ago, but Bloomberg wouldn’t let him because he said he didn’t have the security. But he had the security for a marathon.”


    “The President gets no political mileage out of this visit,” says Miriam Friend, sporting an Obama skullcap. “The election is over. He isn’t coming for politics. He’s coming because he really cares. The way I care about Sheila. We went to New Dorp High together, and yesterday Sheila and her husband were in our home. Her husband saw my husband’s electric razor in a charger and he got excited. He asked if he could charge his razor so he could shave. He explained that his charger was buried under their house. It made us laugh. It also makes you want to cry. Obama is the kind of big-hearted guy who can laugh and cry and understand that kind of loss.”


    “The first thing Obama saw when he stepped onto Cedar Grove Ave. was Sheila Traina’s rubbled home. She gave him the two letters from her granddaughters Maggie and Kate. He read them and asked an aide for a pen and presidential stationary and on the spot back: “Dear Maggie and Kate: Thanks for the letters. I am going to help. President Barack Obama.”


    The women in the crowd behind police barricades a full city block from the President oohed and ahhed, snapped cell phone photos, remarking on how good he looked and how proud they were that he was here in their neighborhood.

    “He’s getting gray,” said one.

    “Very distinguished,” said another.

    Then Lorraine Merced, 40, of 1 Neptune Ave., whose house took on 3 feet of Sandy floodwater, shouldered through the crowd after having taken back-streets to get close enough to Obama to receive an executive hug.

    “He hugged me and said things were gonna get better,” she said. “He was even better-lookin’ up close than he’s good-looking on the TV. And a regular, good-hearted guy. And he is as good as he looks. I voted for him four years ago to clean up the awful mess left by Bush. This time I voted for him to help clean up the awful mess left by Sandy. I have faith in him. I think he’s gonna do both.”

    Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/obama-hero-sandy-survivors-article-1.1202982#ixzz2CPtRfFl7

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  61. 209 Puddin'
    November 16, 2012 at 3:04 pm

    I saw Jack Jacobs on Tamara…I don’t like him…is he a repub?

  62. 213 57andfemale
    November 16, 2012 at 3:19 pm

    I am going to do a big ol’ happy dance, arthritic hips and all, when Allen West finally goes the hell away! Which is getting closer and closer….

  63. 220 susanne
    November 16, 2012 at 3:37 pm

    taking a break from politics…… 🙂

    ‘ So it’s almost Thanksgiving, the one day a year when everyone in the country is theoretically eating exactly the same thing. But might not lifestyle considerations change the ways people celebrate the holiday? Whether assuaging one’s social conscience, rebelling against one’s parents’ fussy traditions or catering to guests with specific dietary habits, go ahead and have Thanksgiving your way. Your guests will put up with it, as they will have no choice once they’ve turned down their other invitations. ‘


  64. November 16, 2012 at 3:49 pm

    Oh my god.

    I’m watching the Davis Cup finals between the Czech Republic and Spain. A commercial just came on for the Wall Street Journal. And I kid you not, it featured a car elevator. Who the hell thought that was a good idea?

    • 226 jackiegrumbacher
      November 16, 2012 at 4:06 pm

      WIW, this is a good start, although I think it will run into a buzzsaw with Republicans. I’d also like to see a recommendation for eliminating insecure electronic voting machines. In any case, it needs to be brought up and vigorously debated when the new congress meets and we have to work hard to make sure this stuff isn’t buried. Americans shouldn’t have to endure Banana Republic voting procedures in the 21rst century.

  65. 227 57andfemale
    November 16, 2012 at 3:53 pm

    And to think this business model was anywhere close to the Presidency.

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  67. November 16, 2012 at 3:57 pm

    Pelosi seeks at least $4 trillion cut to deficit
    Mike Lillis
    11/16/12 01:46 PM ET
    The House minority leader said Friday’s budget talks at the White House yielded a “plan of action” for future negotiations. …

    And then when that 6 months is up? Just 1 more month, pleeease!

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  70. 237 57andfemale
    November 16, 2012 at 4:22 pm

  71. 238 susanne
    November 16, 2012 at 4:26 pm

    interesting piece from al jazeera:

    ‘ To the surprise of many, Iran’s Intelligence Ministry shares the assessment of its counterparts in the US and Israel: the potential destruction caused by military strikes on Iran’s nuclear facilities would set back the programme only a few years. More telling is their final conclusion: diplomacy is the preferred way forward. ‘


  72. November 16, 2012 at 4:30 pm

  73. 244 terim
    November 16, 2012 at 4:38 pm

    House Dems Call McCain Racist, Sexist and Say He ‘Battered’ Susan Rice

    Don’t read the vile comments!!!

  74. 245 terim
    November 16, 2012 at 4:49 pm

    Dozen House women defend Rice over Libya comments

    This article goes into more detail!!

  75. 248 cookemom
    November 16, 2012 at 5:00 pm

    #2 in Spain teaching English, a required foreign language in their school system just texted me this message:

    “Thank GOD for free healthcare! (in Spain lol) Got an ear infection. Went to the emergency room. Doctor saw me and prescribed my medicine. Walked across the street and got antibiotics AND ear drops. Guess how much….FREE! Can the USA please get with the program?”

    Not quite the gift that Mitt said PBO was giving out here, but had it happened here, PBO made sure she’d be covered under my health insurance. Small step, but greatly appreciated by so many.

  76. 249 JER
    November 16, 2012 at 5:04 pm

  77. 250 dotster3
    November 16, 2012 at 5:05 pm

    Just got home, listening to Thom Hartmann in the car. Don’t know if this has been posted—-but unbelievably the Tampa gal and her evil twin have been guests in the WH 3 times in the last 3 months, at least once dining in the exec. dining room, supposedly guests of a “mid level WH aide. I have never seen such brashness in my life——these gals have been everywhere with everyone. I wonder what in the world was the purpose of their 3 !!! visits. Weird, weird, weird.
    Also there was a discussion of the story posted on Wonkette which they gave credibility. As in 2004 when the vote counting was shut down in Ohio at 11:14 p.m. when Kerry was winning, confirming exit polls, count switched to server in Tn., and then when count restarted, Bush was winning. This time the vote count stopped at 11:13, but “anonymous” claims he and cohorts watched Rove’s rats, as they called them, prepare to steal Ohio again. But, aha, they waited till the last minute and hacked that program with a firewall stopping the theft. Cannot attest to the truth of all this, of course, but they said this is why Rove was so dumbfounded and refused to give up Ohio—–and named out loud on FOX the same 3 Cincy counties where the vote was stolen in 2004. Interesting.

  78. November 16, 2012 at 5:06 pm

  79. 256 57andfemale
    November 16, 2012 at 5:08 pm

  80. 257 Japa21
    November 16, 2012 at 5:22 pm

    Boy, this has been a long Rise and Shine. I hope Chips’ ankle didn’t give out on her and she’s fallen and can’t get up.

  81. November 16, 2012 at 5:23 pm

    Talking points prepared by the CIA were different than the ones used by Susan Rice, Petraeus told lawmakers.
    some thing is not right with this statement, because obama said her talking point came for the cia, and i believe obama

    • 259 Japa21
      November 16, 2012 at 5:28 pm

      No, I believe this. Several agencies provided different information and it was all collated and then a condensed version was given to Susan. Some of the info did come from the CIA, and some from other agencies. When there was conflict between the reports they probably took taht which they were sure of and put6 the others aside for her statements, although all would still have been considered by the decision makers.

    • 260 cookemom
      November 16, 2012 at 5:32 pm

      Certain information was not given or withheld By Dr. Rice on the Sunday shows for security reasons. Perreaus said that he didn’t make all of the actual changes. The CIA did approve the message she gave in response to the attacks. Had she said anything otherwise, it would have been a breach. Please don’t listen to the pundits or opposing political folks. They have an agenda to stir up controversy or hear themselves talk.

  82. 261 dotster3
    November 16, 2012 at 5:23 pm

    Is this true? Why would Clinton call Romney and say he had a good shot at winning but Sandy knocked him down?

    • November 16, 2012 at 5:32 pm

      Um, I thought it was “arithmetic.”

    • 263 lisalovesobama
      November 16, 2012 at 5:51 pm

      I haven’t been the hugest fan of Clinton, but I don’t believe this. Unless Clinton says that he told Willard this, I’ll continue to believe that these are the ravings of a lunatic who just can’t understand that he lost and why he lost.

  83. 264 dotster3
    November 16, 2012 at 5:27 pm

    Obama pollster says there was never any kind of Willard surge. Didn’t a lot of people waste a lot of breath on this non-existent event?

    • 265 cookemom
      November 16, 2012 at 5:41 pm

      Throughout the election cycle I said to watch the PBO team. If they remain calm, then we should too. They had internals that no one else saw. I was one for following their lead. The RWNJs lost their minds cause they chose to only believe polls in their favor. They gladly lived within the echo chamber of their own AM radio, Fox, and nut job blog site bubble. That so-called bump Willard had after the first debate was only the punditry calling it for him. A week before the 1st debate, Plouffe said on Meet the Press that the media would be chomping at the bit to write the great Romney come back story. They had it all figured out, including the MSM.

    • 266 SAB
      November 16, 2012 at 6:20 pm

      This election, like the last one, has been very illuminating…it seems neither pundits nor polls can be trusted any more. They are going to become irrelevent soon.

  84. 267 FoxfireTX
    November 16, 2012 at 6:07 pm

    Good evening peeps! Remember the now famous photo of the Obamas the campaign tweeted out election night? For your FRIDAY afternoon treat, here is the OTHER side of the photo of Michelle’s face taken from the other side of the stage. I love it. As the article notes, fortunately she looks as happy to be holding him again:-) Enjoy!


  85. 268 dotster3
    November 16, 2012 at 6:15 pm

    Why was that Kelley woman included in talks and briefings about Pakistan/Afghanistan policy at the WH? I’m flabbergasted about this. This gal puts the Salahis to complete shame. Wonder what WH staffer fell for her —–uh—persuasion.

  86. 272 vcprezofan2
    November 16, 2012 at 6:23 pm

    Hello there, Ms Chips, are you in the local emergency waiting room or just having a good sleep to restore your energy and your ankle? I sure hope it’s more the latter.

  87. 273 Bill R.
    November 16, 2012 at 6:23 pm

    President Obama leading now by almost 4 million votes and 3% pts. Still more votes to come.

    Obama 50.7%
    Romney 47.7%

    Much larger than Bush margin of 2004 (2.4%)

    It’s a 3% margin and still growing. What about raw votes? Right now:

    Obama 63.2 million
    Romney 59.5 million

    The margin is 3.7 million and could expand to nearly 4 before it’s over.

  88. 275 daisydem
    November 16, 2012 at 6:23 pm

    Now I am getting scared … been on this thread all day and now we hear that the “scandal” players were at the WH and in talks and briefings? God, why can we not have honesty and a no drama governing body? What is going on?

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