Well sailor, I am sure you can still teach dudette a step or two. By the way, I just love her spirit. Would have loved to party with her in the good old days. Right now my movements don’t come that easy.
The President won the majority of states, the majority of the popular vote and the majority of electoral votes. Last person to do that was Reagan. Can we say transformation?
Have not wanted to distract the focus from re-electing the President and as many Dems as possible, but now that great victories have been achieved it seems ok to draw your attention to this important report on Syria:
“After a long time of planning, the revolutionaries are now mainly reorganised to one group, split into different fronts across the country. I have joined the northern front, but the most important one is the southern front where all of the units of Horan have united into one and shelled the presidential palace as a show of force.
Some things I was told about this reorganisation:
The new organisation has no political affiliation, it is preparing for the final phase of Assad’s regime and to serve as the transition army after during the free, democratic elections. After this a normal army will return.
The big aim is to make one united group fighting for a democratic Syria, not hundreds of battalions fighting for different political, religious, personal agenda etc.
This would mean we would receive better weapons like artillery guns and anti-tank missiles.
The shows of force like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4q4Ue3l7AE0 will make more and more units join these fronts as they see the benefits and eventually nearly all units will be united.
Assad is expected to fall by the end of the year but it will be very violent, we have not seen anything yet.”
Hey amk! I got your email and your message! No problem! I always pay my debts and it was for a great cause and I’m glad you picked Florida. I wouldn’t have called it, but your insight was fantastic!
Don’t know if anyone noticed, but the Joe Biden standing behind the President earlier today as the President informed the GOP he was done with their foolishness, was very stern. He smiled when the President mentioned getting some sleep after campaigning and when the President removed the pen from his coat pocket, but other than that he was like stone serious. They know they have massive support from the American people and all the leverage on McConnell and Boehner and they just aren’t going to play.
I noticed that, as well, Bob. The President was determined, as was Joe. They will get it done. Also noticed the President’s use of the word “consensus” today, rather than the scary word “compromise” – which I think is against the rules of the NRA or Rush or Grover or whatever the hell gods they follow on the dark side of politics.
Based on her Twitter account, Miss Paula Broadwell is an army veteran, “national security analyst” MARRIED mom who frequented FOX NEWS quite a bit (based on her tweets) and other MSM to peddle her goods about Gen Patraeus. Some of the folks she followed on Twitter
1. Karl Rove
2. Don Imus
3. FOX NEWs
4. Laura & Jenna Bush
5. Elizabeth Hasslebeck & Barbara Waters (but not Joy, Sherri or Whoopi)
She also followed @maddowblog, and Daily show (Jonstewart).
i have a big scoop for everyone. i have obtained a super secret undercover video of the latest republican strategy meeting in how to make president obama a one-term president. looks like boner’s been hittin the bottle again!
I’m here with my better half. We just watched the Paula Broadwell appearance on John Stewart. She’s bright, articulate and VERY attractive. A love affair seems…………..well, adultory is WRONG but humans are humans….you know what I mean… I don’t know crap about what actually happened or didn’t happen. Not condoning…………but let’s PLEASE not be “SHOCKED” about something like this.
I assure you the ONLY concern I have is National Security and did he fail to protect information that should have never been seen by her. That’s it. Other than that, it’s between him and his family.
Apparently not. The FBI investigation into a possible national security breach, indicates someone within the Agency requested FBI ‘assistance’. The General is not beloved. He has many enemies within the Agency and the Defense Dept. I’m sure there will be more shit hitting the fan.
He was loved by the military but not the CIA according to the interview with the reporter that is always embedded in Afghanistan or Iraq or somewhere and Rachel has him reporting all the time. Can’t remember his name maybe it is Richard Engel. The investigation is to see if the writer had access to national security info. Also top people cannot be in a position that could lead to being blackmailed as they need to be able to fire others according to those questioned.
You make a good point about national security. But if it’s all about the Gen. having an affair that didn’t interfere with his official duties then it’s none of my business.
i just watched the mittbot’s concession speech, and at the end is the weirdest thing. wifebot comes out first and sort of hugs him while he does not hug her at all!! his arms stay to his side while he does this odd pecking motion (guessing it was supposedly a “kiss”) and nearly knocks out one of her teeth. mittbot then goes on to hug just about everyone else with full arm wrappage, including lyin ryan’s wife. and lyin ryan is a whole other story, as he uncomfortably scratches the back of his head in nervousness as they approach the mittbot and wifebot. i’m no body language expert, but that is so bizarre. the mittbot family is so freakish they make my skin crawl. hopefully this is the last time i ever mention them in my life.
What video could I observe this on? I like studying body language too. At the actual time of his concession speech I was refusing to look at that buzzard because I only wanted to see Obama and Biden.
Yes I see what you mean. Are they all just robotic? Thanks for finding the video. Maybe Ryan thought that Willard was gonna sock him in the jaw even thoughthey did shake hands. He looked lost.
I used to watch the tv show Lie to Me because they had a lot of facial expressions and body language clues in it. I too am intrigued by this. I seem to have a natural inclination in being able to read when people are lying or uncomfortable. I used it a lot in my teacher/parent conferences in my teaching years. Mitt was an interesting study. I was thinking he might be a compulsive liar that doesn’t even know he is doing it as he has convinced himself whatever he says is truth because he says it. Wasn’t that something that Nixon said in those Frost interviews like it is right because the President says so?
Arizona election results: 524,633 early, provisional ballots yet to be counted
Source: KNXV-TV (ABC15.com)
PHOENIX – Secretary of State Ken Bennett said Friday there are an estimated 524,633 early and provisional ballots that have yet to be counted in Arizona.
The uncounted early ballot count was 352,437, and 172,196 provisional ballots were remaining.
The number as of Thursday was at 631,274.
The American Civil Liberties Union of Arizona said there’s “grave concern” about the number of uncounted ballots statewide and is demanding that an investigation be done.
Republican Rep. Mary Bono Mack fell to Democratic challenger Raul Ruiz Friday in a tight battle for California’s 36th Congressional District, east of Los Angeles, the Associated Press reported.
“Today, I called Dr. Ruiz and congratulated him on his impressive victory. Dr. Ruiz will do a fine job if he is guided as well by the people of the congressional district as I was. Please give him the opportunity to succeed,” Bono Mack said in a statement posted on Facebook.
Holy Shit guys….look at the second letter on this NY Times article. I don’t know if I’m supposed to laugh or scream at how stupid Petraeus was to leave classified documents somewhat exposed.
MY WIFE’S LOVER
My wife is having an affair with a government executive. His role is to manage a project whose progress is seen worldwide as a demonstration of American leadership. (This might seem hyperbolic, but it is not an exaggeration.) I have met with him on several occasions, and he has been gracious. (I doubt if he is aware of my knowledge.) I have watched the affair intensify over the last year, and I have also benefited from his generosity. He is engaged in work that I am passionate about and is absolutely the right person for the job. I strongly feel that exposing the affair will create a major distraction that would adversely impact the success of an important effort. My issue: Should I acknowledge this affair and finally force closure? Should I suffer in silence for the next year or two for a project I feel must succeed? Should I be “true to my heart” and walk away from the entire miserable situation and put the episode behind me? NAME WITHHELD
UT, the very first professional job I had, several years before I went to medical school, was at the Defense Intelligence Agency as a young Navy Officer.
Please allow me to be very clear – there is no such thing as “classified documents somewhat exposed.”
If there’s even one instance of Petraeus enabling unauthroized access to classified information, he broke the law, big time.
Moreover, the thing most people do not understand about security clearances is that just because you are cleared to see information classified at any level is just step one. You are ONLY allowed access to that information on a ‘need to know basis.’ So, the barrier to access is actually much higher than your clearance.
Bottom line in this situation – a person not cleared to see classified information is breaking the law to access it. And, anyone charged with protecting access to classified information that allows unauthorized disclosure is in serious trouble.
As noted above, what any of these people do with their personal lives is their business and that of those to whom they’ve made commitments.
But, to even have a question that the Head of the Central Intelligence Agency was compromised, let alone compromised himself, that is as serious as it gets.
It’s just very puzzling why this man decided to write about his wife’s suspected affair to a high profile paper like the NYT of all places. Was this a set-up of Patraeus? If you suspect your spouse of cheating, you confront them, not write to a high profile paper with enough details that people can infer who and what…
Hi Hf! How’s life? I’ve been bouncing in and out so often, and missing so much of each thread, that I haven’t a clue how regular TODobots are doing, or even what the real news of the day has been. And this has been my story since election day! I’m in a heavy TOD fog. 😉
Hey VC – Welcome back! life is cool for now. I’ve been on cloud nine pretty much ever since Tuesday night!
I see that some other TODers have copied your technique of leaning against the door so they can be first! I’m not calling names, they know who they are. 🙂 🙂
Hf, ever since I messed up, I’ve been trying to say as little as possible about first so as not to offend. Plus, I also too have been enjoying the victory, so it’s like not much else really registers. I wasn’t anxious per se before the election, yet now I do feel extremely calm. Something good’s in the air and I’m loving the feel of it. 😆 :lol;
Sorry, but I thought this sentence was interesting (HP): “Just last month Broadwell wrote “General David Petraeus’ Rules for Living” for Newsweek/Daily Beast”.
One of the lasting frames of this whole campaign is how horrendously perverse the Republican party has become. The primaries proved to the world that they are intellectually and morally bankrupt – and really completely crazy – and are somehow banking on skating by on 1950s issues and values, as if the rest of us aren’t firmly familiar with and confronted by all the innumerable challenges of living in the 21st C. I don’t know how anyone who is not a corrupt politician can view them as human beings, let alone presidential candidates. So this election year was really like no other. And I believe it even took President Obama and his very, very able team aback. The boldfaced lies, the condescension, the pride in obliterating some of America’s most cherished institutions, the disdain for middle class Americans. It was a complete horror show. Thank our lucky stars that we have President Barack Obama standing there between us and the abyss. Really, we can’t rest for a moment.
Well said: “a complete horror show” and I believe the worst candidate I’ve ever seen. I’m feeling relief and gratitude today. Almost over the gloating, heheheh!
Site suggestion. Starting monday, we will talk about Obama, dems and how to move forward. I am sure the media will distract us with how the mittbot campaign crashed and burned, how there is infighting in rethugs camp, ben ghazi etc. And we will know that. We have the 2012 elections to prove them.
So this is the last week of our gloating over the rethugs. We start next week with positive forward.
Hey, wait a minute there, Amk! **I** haven’t gloated yet! I was taking this week to fully enjoy the victory while delegating GOP to the back of my mind. My gloating was slated for a day or two next week, before putting them on the back burner unless they were in my face. ‘No fair’ not getting my chance to say ‘na nanna na na’.
BTW, I haven’t found my written apology from you anywhere……yet.
No, for wrongfully insulting me re doctor’s visit back on Thursday. You mean you didn’t read my righteous and very ladylike ‘rant’? Grrrr. I hate when my masterpieces are ignored.
The whole point is if I take time to gloat NOW it would taint my joy. A victory such as ours deserves an untainted and extended celebration with no encroachment by the opponent. At least that’s how I envisioned it.
Yup. Turning the house blue in 2014 is much more important than 2012 to ensure the rethugs don’t kneecap his lame duck period. 2010 & 2012 have been a big disappointment house-wise and we shouldn’t let it happen again.
We did make some gains in the House this year, however, better than expected (really), but this gerrymandering business has to go. We need to go after more southern states, and I think AZ is also in play in the near future.
I agree with this AMK. On Sunday we are having an OFA open house to meet and greet with peeps that we’ve been working with but I really would like it if these volunteers could form some sort of ad-hoc alliance for grassroots action. Although, it sounds like they might be keeping the OFA structure in tact somehow so hopefully I’ll learn more.
Am I the only one that really doesn’t care about the Petraeus issue? It’s annoying how the media focuses on it non-stop. I never even really liked the guy and am actually glad he’s gone now.
like him or not, he was an extremely highly placed government official, with the highest level of classified information in his care. not funny, which is why it was parodied so perfectly in the most perfect parody film of all time:
yes which makes it scary how the republicans and then so many trusted him without question. I remember how the democrats originally didn’t trust Pertraeus but reluctantly embraced him. I think that the original assessment was correct and we shouldn’t have second guessed ourselves.
so true. 2010 was my first time voting in a general election (citizen in 2009), and I watched in horror as the GOP took over everything because people were mad at PBO that he didn’t fix everything in 2 years. Incredible! Elections have consequences, and I think the American people realized that on Nov 6th.
So true! And if I remember correctly, in 2004 Bush won only 284 electoral votes. In 2000 Bush lost the popular vote by more than half a million votes and barely won the electoral votes, receiving only 272 after Florida was stolen.
It’s mandate nath. End of story. Aside from the prez’s impressive victory, voters even in deep red state like Montana elected a dem senator. MN flipped house and senate to dems. Teabagger thugs like deadbeat joe walsh and punk allen west were ousted. It’s a complete repudiation of the rethugs all across the board.
So true, Amk! The Democratic Senate victories in MT, ND, MO and IN (all red states) was impressive. Although the Dems. didn’t take over the House they gained seven seats. Nov. 6th was a repudiation of tea baggers and the ugly billionaires and millionaires intent on buying the election.
How come Diane Feinstein is always first out of the gate to make some statement about national security before all the facts are known? She’s one of my senators, but she really drives me crazy.
I know what you mean, Theo! She drives me crazy too. I was not very enthusiastic voting for her, but I had no other choice. I have from time to time written to her about my displeasure with the way she undermines the President. She very rarely replies with any substance. On the other hand, Sen. Barbara Boxer always has the President’s back. She is also very fearless in promoting progressive causes.
I’ve written to her, as well. She has never, not even once, responded to a single letter. And, if I’m not mistaken, she doesn’t even have voicemail on her office phones. I may be wrong about that, because I gave up calling her back during the health care days. But, she really doesn’t seem to be in it for the right reasons. I’m glad she kept her seat, but I really hope she retires soon, and let’s someone take that seat who is actually prepared to work for the people – not special interests.
I hope Petraeus is not going to end up being a “pundit” on FOX “news”. That would be highly offensive. I hear he may become President of one of the elite Universities (Princeton, I think). What a mess!
I think the rumour had been circling for a while that they wanted him. People love idols – some are willing to forgive anything. Let’s just hope there wasn’t a breach of national security!
What I’m reading this morning – the affair came out as a result of an FBI investigation into the compromising of Petraeus’ computer. We don’t yet know (and may never know) if truly sensitive information was obtained by the mistress/biographer but the fact that the computer was available enough for her to access it is unconscionable.
Any lesser soldier would be court-martialed over this. So, yes, in our bizarre political landscape there’s a place for Petraeus in punditry or higher education but in my opinion he should live in disgrace the rest of his life. This was lack of judgment to the highest degree, and it should make everyone reflect on what other lapses of judgment he may have committed.
To keep the economy afloat, the White House cut the deals it felt it had to. Many, such as Obama’s agreement to extend all of the Bush tax cuts in 2010, were poorly received by Democrats. Now comes the payoff. The expiration of those cuts and the automatic reductions set to take effect at year’s end—the so-called fiscal cliff—mean that Obama and the Democrats can gain a huge source of new revenue by doing nothing at all. Republican priorities are the ones suddenly in peril. The combination of tax increases on the rich, higher capital-gains taxes, and sharp cuts in defense spending have congressional Republicans deeply worried. To mitigate these, they’ll have to bargain.
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Going over the cliff would also weaken the Republicans’ greatest point of leverage: renewing their threat to default on the national debt. Right now, the Treasury expects to hit the debt ceiling in February. But if the cliff can’t be avoided, tax rates will rise and government coffers will swell, delaying the date of default—thus diminishing the Republicans’ advantage. Alice Rivlin, the founding director of the Office of Management and Budget and a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution, says that “as quickly as the IRS began changing the withholding schedule, the date would be pushed back.”
Beautiful deer, coat going gray for winter, just trotted thru my back yard. He stopped right outside our sliding glass door to check out his surroundings, turned and looked at me right in the eye! I waved at him, for some reason. Wanting to show him I’m a friendly? I will never understand the mindset of people who spend a chunk of their limited time on earth shooting and killing these beauties. Teeny weenie penies? Can’t they go bowling instead, something less deadly?
You waved at the deer! That’s so cute – he probably could sense that you were a “friendly”. I don’t understand hunting, either – especially with our abundance of food in the grocery stores. In a related note: someone on twitter posted a picture of a squirrel that had fallen asleep on their porch in a wicker chair, propped up like it was actually sitting in the chair. I couldn’t help but think that the little critter probably sensed “friendlies” at that home, as well. We need to care for these little creatures.
The irony in this election is that we didn’t need Virginia, Ohio (our Firewal) or Florida to win this election. Colorado put us at 272 electoral votes. So when you hear folks say this was a “narrow” victory its total bull. In the end, we had the icing on the cake of winning the “big three”. This was a decisive win! Now we get to legislate the will of the people who voted in the majority on Tuesday for the President’s policies. Our work is not Done, we’ve only just Begun!
I also laughed when I noted that the neighbors across the street had removed their Vote Pro Life and Romney/Ryan signs by 5:20 a.m. the morning after. They either ran out there late at night or real early in the morning to snatch that proof of wrongheadedness off their lawn. Too embarrassing.
Nate Silver at U. of Chgo last night as part of their lecture series, basking in the glow of correctly predicting all 50 states. We can also laugh at all those rt. wingers who spent hours and hours maligning him and his predictions. As it turned out, he was right, and they were wrong—–as usual.
Me, too. I’ve watched it several times. It’s mesmerizing because it’s another glimpse into his personality. And it’s about his vulnerability. He’s wearing his exhaustion and his pride on his sleeve as he reflects back on the journey, the entire journey from his youth to the election and all that it means to him. And it’s a sort of passing of the torch, which makes it very, very emotional. That’s the point where he starts to cry, realizing that he is stepping into a new age and so are they. For all these reasons, it’s very moving and compelling. So you are not alone.
OFA put a lot of emphasis on having us register voters and getting them to the polls in Fairfax (a suburb of DC) and Loudoun County (an exurb of DC) in Virginia. These are very wealthy counties that came out and voted in the majority for PBO. They are highly populated counties and their votes were pivotal in helping the President to win that state.
Since Chips seems to be sleeping it off after painting the town green on tgif….
A guy was on trial for murder and if convicted, would get the electric chair. His brother found out that a redneck was on the jury and figured he would be the one to bribe. He told the redneck that he would be paid $10,000 if he could convince the rest of the jury to reduce the charge to manslaughter.
The jury was out an entire week and returned with a verdict of manslaughter.
After the trial, the brother went to the redneck’s house, told him what a great job he had done and paid him the $10,000.
The red neck replied that it wasn’t easy to convince the rest of the jury to change the charge to manslaughter. “They all thought he was not guilty and, wanted to let him go.”
Obama White House.gov
The Obama Diary 
WTG Bob
Woot! BOB! BOB! BOB! BOB! 😀
Bobfr! First! Looks good on you sir! 🙂
Thank you japa, dudette & Pamela!!!
Excellent Bobfr!
Thanks, I’ve sent this around to my family & friends.
Thank you Gail!!!
Top 10 Lootenant!
Wingman, looks like the guys rule the roost tonight.
YAY!!!! Way to go, sailor!!! 🙂
Awww yeah!!!
And I just opened the basement door. I haven’t gone down yet. 😀
Swing it wide! Gon’ down those steps!!
Wat cho mean wid da wide? I can still zip me britches!
Thanks sailor!!!
No way, no how, nothing stopping us now!!!!
#FORWARD
And make it so Mr Christian!
Way to get the party started Sailor!
is there a party? Where is it?(turning around) I wanna go.
Sam Cooke was a great singer. And his gospel music was real good too.
You betcha.
Loved —-and love—-Sam Cooke.
Takes ya back a bit, does it?
Now you talking, Yardarm! Bringing back all those happy memories of my youth.
I might be able to dig some more up in the basement as soon as I can get my fat butt down the statrs-according to dudette.
Well sailor, I am sure you can still teach dudette a step or two. By the way, I just love her spirit. Would have loved to party with her in the good old days. Right now my movements don’t come that easy.
Who ya tellin’! My get up and go; got up and went. 😀
Dang it, top 3 3x today
Way better than the pace I’m keeping japa!
Thought the tweet was sorta consistent with the photo 🙂
#FORWARD
The President won the majority of states, the majority of the popular vote and the majority of electoral votes. Last person to do that was Reagan. Can we say transformation?
TRANSFORMATION!!!!
Roger that!
FORWARD>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Aye Aye!
Can we say mandate too ?
I see that the president has gotten tough right out of the block on the tax cuts. Veto, veto, veto must be the motto for the 2nd term.
MANDATE!
Yep, White House, shortly after the President spoke, put out a terse – don’t even think about it message re: continued tax breaks for the rich.
From what you said that should more than counter Karl Rove’s comment about he didn’t even get as many votes as the first time around.
So glad Joe has Bam’s back.
Indeed.
So….. I’m really looking forward to SNL doing a skit on Rove’s meltdown, and Megyn’s long walk to the data desk. 🙂
Meeee toooo!
That would be freaking amazing.
Great interview with Steven Spielberg about his new movie “Lincoln”. Mentions Obama a couple times.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/entertainment/movies/steven-spielberg-talks-about-lincoln-and-finding-the-man-inside-the-monument/2012/11/08/fed9f4f8-29b8-11e2-96b6-8e6a7524553f_story_1.html
Gonna go see that movie. Can’t wait.
Me too.
Me 3. I have been excited about it for awhile.
Have not wanted to distract the focus from re-electing the President and as many Dems as possible, but now that great victories have been achieved it seems ok to draw your attention to this important report on Syria:
“After a long time of planning, the revolutionaries are now mainly reorganised to one group, split into different fronts across the country. I have joined the northern front, but the most important one is the southern front where all of the units of Horan have united into one and shelled the presidential palace as a show of force.
Some things I was told about this reorganisation:
The new organisation has no political affiliation, it is preparing for the final phase of Assad’s regime and to serve as the transition army after during the free, democratic elections. After this a normal army will return.
The big aim is to make one united group fighting for a democratic Syria, not hundreds of battalions fighting for different political, religious, personal agenda etc.
This would mean we would receive better weapons like artillery guns and anti-tank missiles.
The shows of force like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4q4Ue3l7AE0 will make more and more units join these fronts as they see the benefits and eventually nearly all units will be united.
Assad is expected to fall by the end of the year but it will be very violent, we have not seen anything yet.”
#FORWARD
Thanks for the update Bobfr. I pray the toppling of Assad will not take that long.
Dragging in from the last thread.
GM folks.
Thank you lisalovesobama for the 20 bucks donation to red cross. Loved it that you snuck in amk there. 🙂
Hey, amk. Well done Lisa. Hope you’re all in one piece. No incidents with towel rods or toilet face flushings to report, right?
Heh, for all my tough talk, I am a softie.
Not since I paid him, no. 🙂
😀
Good morning amk!!!
GM Bob.
Hey amk! I got your email and your message! No problem! I always pay my debts and it was for a great cause and I’m glad you picked Florida. I wouldn’t have called it, but your insight was fantastic!
The receipt is getting framed for a place of honor in my office. 🙂
Thanks for keeping it enjoyable.
🙂 no prob! It was a great cause!
Love that Tally! Too bad, so sad … for them!
Don’t know if anyone noticed, but the Joe Biden standing behind the President earlier today as the President informed the GOP he was done with their foolishness, was very stern. He smiled when the President mentioned getting some sleep after campaigning and when the President removed the pen from his coat pocket, but other than that he was like stone serious. They know they have massive support from the American people and all the leverage on McConnell and Boehner and they just aren’t going to play.
#FORWARD
I noticed that, as well, Bob. The President was determined, as was Joe. They will get it done. Also noticed the President’s use of the word “consensus” today, rather than the scary word “compromise” – which I think is against the rules of the NRA or Rush or Grover or whatever the hell gods they follow on the dark side of politics.
Yes those two guys are confident to the max. My Dynamic Duo have it going on.
Nothing these freaks love more than a scandal. 🙄
Based on her Twitter account, Miss Paula Broadwell is an army veteran, “national security analyst” MARRIED mom who frequented FOX NEWS quite a bit (based on her tweets) and other MSM to peddle her goods about Gen Patraeus. Some of the folks she followed on Twitter
1. Karl Rove
2. Don Imus
3. FOX NEWs
4. Laura & Jenna Bush
5. Elizabeth Hasslebeck & Barbara Waters (but not Joy, Sherri or Whoopi)
She also followed @maddowblog, and Daily show (Jonstewart).
awe…. poor babies
This petraeus mess is a distraction. The guy is gone. End of story.
Why oogle over 1 measly sex scandal when you can have 3 in one day?
Agreed. Time to move on. I won’t talk about Patraeus anymore.
This 1000times!
A man in Amsterdam feels the need to confess, so he goes to his priest.
“Forgive me, Father, for I have sinned. During world war II, I hid a refugee in my attic.”
“Well,” answers the priest, “that’s not a sin.”‘
“But I made him agree to pay me 20 guilders for every week he stayed.”
“I admit that wasn’t good, but you did it for a good cause.”
“Oh, thank you, Father. That eases my mind. I have one more question.”
“What is that, my son?”
“Do I have to tell him the war is over?”
🙂 🙂 🙂
I heartily laugh at your jokes, amk, while also saying “that’s so bad…” and feeling a little bit guilty. 😉
Where is everyone?
Here.
I’m here. Slow night, eh?
i have a big scoop for everyone. i have obtained a super secret undercover video of the latest republican strategy meeting in how to make president obama a one-term president. looks like boner’s been hittin the bottle again!
Election results so far: Romney 47%
Obama
Romney
Total
61,586,682
58,428,854
Percent
50.5%
47.9%
from hp:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/09/peter-morrison-texas-divorce_n_2100165.html?utm_hp_ref=politics
Good enough to win, I’d say!
My prediction. PBO will hit +5% and 4 million.
Anyone, up for another bet ? lisa ?
That’s definitely a bet I won’t take since it’s been what I’ve been taunting certain folk with 😀 😀 😀
Ok, are you up for 20 that mitt ends up with 47% ? 🙂
NOPE, I’m not a fool, brother 😀
I so love seeing Mitt at 47%……!!
I am in for 20. How about you ?
Great news for us folk in WA State!!!!!
“McKenna concedes race; Inslee to be next governor”
http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2019648697_govrace10m.html
#FORWARD
Excellent.
🙂
and president obama for 4 more years!
Indeed – they left out the best part… 🙂
Finally – a sensible R candidate for Governor of Washington. Go, Inslee!!
Great news Bob! You always have such close races for governor in WA.
I’m here with my better half. We just watched the Paula Broadwell appearance on John Stewart. She’s bright, articulate and VERY attractive. A love affair seems…………..well, adultory is WRONG but humans are humans….you know what I mean… I don’t know crap about what actually happened or didn’t happen. Not condoning…………but let’s PLEASE not be “SHOCKED” about something like this.
I assure you the ONLY concern I have is National Security and did he fail to protect information that should have never been seen by her. That’s it. Other than that, it’s between him and his family.
#FORWARD
I totally agree with you on that!
There’s noise out there links Peatreaus to Bengazhi. I’ve been waiting to hear more about that. But, now this. Interesting.
Apparently not. The FBI investigation into a possible national security breach, indicates someone within the Agency requested FBI ‘assistance’. The General is not beloved. He has many enemies within the Agency and the Defense Dept. I’m sure there will be more shit hitting the fan.
I thought the media was saying that the General was absolutely beloved by the military? Are you saying the media was wrong about something (…again…)?
He was loved by the military but not the CIA according to the interview with the reporter that is always embedded in Afghanistan or Iraq or somewhere and Rachel has him reporting all the time. Can’t remember his name maybe it is Richard Engel. The investigation is to see if the writer had access to national security info. Also top people cannot be in a position that could lead to being blackmailed as they need to be able to fire others according to those questioned.
ok – thanks for the clarification. I think you’re right that the reporter is Richard Engel – he’s always over there.
You make a good point about national security. But if it’s all about the Gen. having an affair that didn’t interfere with his official duties then it’s none of my business.
i just watched the mittbot’s concession speech, and at the end is the weirdest thing. wifebot comes out first and sort of hugs him while he does not hug her at all!! his arms stay to his side while he does this odd pecking motion (guessing it was supposedly a “kiss”) and nearly knocks out one of her teeth. mittbot then goes on to hug just about everyone else with full arm wrappage, including lyin ryan’s wife. and lyin ryan is a whole other story, as he uncomfortably scratches the back of his head in nervousness as they approach the mittbot and wifebot. i’m no body language expert, but that is so bizarre. the mittbot family is so freakish they make my skin crawl. hopefully this is the last time i ever mention them in my life.
What video could I observe this on? I like studying body language too. At the actual time of his concession speech I was refusing to look at that buzzard because I only wanted to see Obama and Biden.
yes, I just had the nerve to watch it now. i hate to soil the site with this, but i promise i’ll never bring them here again (skip to the 6:55 mark).
Yes I see what you mean. Are they all just robotic? Thanks for finding the video. Maybe Ryan thought that Willard was gonna sock him in the jaw even thoughthey did shake hands. He looked lost.
I don’t ever want to see those people again. I watched from the 6:55 mark, as you instructed. Those Romney “kids” are very strange looking.
I used to watch the tv show Lie to Me because they had a lot of facial expressions and body language clues in it. I too am intrigued by this. I seem to have a natural inclination in being able to read when people are lying or uncomfortable. I used it a lot in my teacher/parent conferences in my teaching years. Mitt was an interesting study. I was thinking he might be a compulsive liar that doesn’t even know he is doing it as he has convinced himself whatever he says is truth because he says it. Wasn’t that something that Nixon said in those Frost interviews like it is right because the President says so?
“If the President does it, it is NOT illegal” Richard Nixon to David Frost.
Oh, that’s wonderful!
Thanks to people like me, born in this country and not blinkered by anti-communist politics.
Oh yeah!! HONE. Just gotta HONE….do some, you know….honing. Cool!
hone for america! 🙂
This truly is the end of the Republican party. Thank heaves!
LOL.
We finally got rid of Mary Bono? Good.
She lost and her husband lost. Oh Happy Day!
It was a bad day for both Macks—-hubby went down in defeat in Fl. also.
It’s SO broken.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014298752
Arizona election results: 524,633 early, provisional ballots yet to be counted
Source: KNXV-TV (ABC15.com)
PHOENIX – Secretary of State Ken Bennett said Friday there are an estimated 524,633 early and provisional ballots that have yet to be counted in Arizona.
The uncounted early ballot count was 352,437, and 172,196 provisional ballots were remaining.
The number as of Thursday was at 631,274.
The American Civil Liberties Union of Arizona said there’s “grave concern” about the number of uncounted ballots statewide and is demanding that an investigation be done.
Oh, how I love this statistic!
Please give the Governor-Elect some special TOD Twitter love 🙂
I sent him a congratulatory email earlier, in response to his email thanking me for supporting the campaign! You bet I DID! 🙂
Republican Rep. Mary Bono Mack fell to Democratic challenger Raul Ruiz Friday in a tight battle for California’s 36th Congressional District, east of Los Angeles, the Associated Press reported.
“Today, I called Dr. Ruiz and congratulated him on his impressive victory. Dr. Ruiz will do a fine job if he is guided as well by the people of the congressional district as I was. Please give him the opportunity to succeed,” Bono Mack said in a statement posted on Facebook.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1112/83664.html
Is this the 8th seat, with 1 more pending?
I heard earlier that the +7 included these tight races. I was really bummed.
Holy Shit guys….look at the second letter on this NY Times article. I don’t know if I’m supposed to laugh or scream at how stupid Petraeus was to leave classified documents somewhat exposed.
MY WIFE’S LOVER
My wife is having an affair with a government executive. His role is to manage a project whose progress is seen worldwide as a demonstration of American leadership. (This might seem hyperbolic, but it is not an exaggeration.) I have met with him on several occasions, and he has been gracious. (I doubt if he is aware of my knowledge.) I have watched the affair intensify over the last year, and I have also benefited from his generosity. He is engaged in work that I am passionate about and is absolutely the right person for the job. I strongly feel that exposing the affair will create a major distraction that would adversely impact the success of an important effort. My issue: Should I acknowledge this affair and finally force closure? Should I suffer in silence for the next year or two for a project I feel must succeed? Should I be “true to my heart” and walk away from the entire miserable situation and put the episode behind me? NAME WITHHELD
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/15/magazine/a-message-from-beyond.html
UT, the very first professional job I had, several years before I went to medical school, was at the Defense Intelligence Agency as a young Navy Officer.
Please allow me to be very clear – there is no such thing as “classified documents somewhat exposed.”
If there’s even one instance of Petraeus enabling unauthroized access to classified information, he broke the law, big time.
Moreover, the thing most people do not understand about security clearances is that just because you are cleared to see information classified at any level is just step one. You are ONLY allowed access to that information on a ‘need to know basis.’ So, the barrier to access is actually much higher than your clearance.
Bottom line in this situation – a person not cleared to see classified information is breaking the law to access it. And, anyone charged with protecting access to classified information that allows unauthorized disclosure is in serious trouble.
As noted above, what any of these people do with their personal lives is their business and that of those to whom they’ve made commitments.
But, to even have a question that the Head of the Central Intelligence Agency was compromised, let alone compromised himself, that is as serious as it gets.
#FORWARD
It’s just very puzzling why this man decided to write about his wife’s suspected affair to a high profile paper like the NYT of all places. Was this a set-up of Patraeus? If you suspect your spouse of cheating, you confront them, not write to a high profile paper with enough details that people can infer who and what…
That is horrendously 360 twisted. GAH!!
Hoping LOD’s moment of gloat goes viral. 🙂
It was great.
The Community Organizer – very brief post by Booman T
http://networkedblogs.com/EyjIC
I enjoyed reading this. 🙂
Hi Hf! How’s life? I’ve been bouncing in and out so often, and missing so much of each thread, that I haven’t a clue how regular TODobots are doing, or even what the real news of the day has been. And this has been my story since election day! I’m in a heavy TOD fog. 😉
Hey VC – Welcome back! life is cool for now. I’ve been on cloud nine pretty much ever since Tuesday night!
I see that some other TODers have copied your technique of leaning against the door so they can be first! I’m not calling names, they know who they are. 🙂 🙂
Hf, ever since I messed up, I’ve been trying to say as little as possible about first so as not to offend. Plus, I also too have been enjoying the victory, so it’s like not much else really registers. I wasn’t anxious per se before the election, yet now I do feel extremely calm. Something good’s in the air and I’m loving the feel of it. 😆 :lol;
Sorry, but I thought this sentence was interesting (HP): “Just last month Broadwell wrote “General David Petraeus’ Rules for Living” for Newsweek/Daily Beast”.
I guess “it’s his turn” to ride outside.
One of the lasting frames of this whole campaign is how horrendously perverse the Republican party has become. The primaries proved to the world that they are intellectually and morally bankrupt – and really completely crazy – and are somehow banking on skating by on 1950s issues and values, as if the rest of us aren’t firmly familiar with and confronted by all the innumerable challenges of living in the 21st C. I don’t know how anyone who is not a corrupt politician can view them as human beings, let alone presidential candidates. So this election year was really like no other. And I believe it even took President Obama and his very, very able team aback. The boldfaced lies, the condescension, the pride in obliterating some of America’s most cherished institutions, the disdain for middle class Americans. It was a complete horror show. Thank our lucky stars that we have President Barack Obama standing there between us and the abyss. Really, we can’t rest for a moment.
Well said: “a complete horror show” and I believe the worst candidate I’ve ever seen. I’m feeling relief and gratitude today. Almost over the gloating, heheheh!
Well said, meta!
“One of the lasting frames of this whole campaign is how horrendously perverse the Republican party has become.”
IN_DEED, meta!
Very very nice!
Also, PBO has hit 50% in FL, versus Mitt’s 49.2, with a 64K+ margin.
My 20 bucks bet for 47% still stands. Anyone ? 😉
I’m not making any bets, but I do love my President!
chicken.
I left you a message downthread. 🙂
Site suggestion. Starting monday, we will talk about Obama, dems and how to move forward. I am sure the media will distract us with how the mittbot campaign crashed and burned, how there is infighting in rethugs camp, ben ghazi etc. And we will know that. We have the 2012 elections to prove them.
So this is the last week of our gloating over the rethugs. We start next week with positive forward.
Hey, wait a minute there, Amk! **I** haven’t gloated yet! I was taking this week to fully enjoy the victory while delegating GOP to the back of my mind. My gloating was slated for a day or two next week, before putting them on the back burner unless they were in my face. ‘No fair’ not getting my chance to say ‘na nanna na na’.
BTW, I haven’t found my written apology from you anywhere……yet.
Well, you have got another 48 hours to get all the gloating out of your system.
Apology ? For winning the FL bet with lisa ?
No, for wrongfully insulting me re doctor’s visit back on Thursday. You mean you didn’t read my righteous and very ladylike ‘rant’? Grrrr. I hate when my masterpieces are ignored.
Didn’t see it. Must have scrolled off.
So you did see the doctor then ?
So everything is ok ?
Message for Amk only: I know I can’t ‘locate’ comments as effectively as Bobfr, but I’m giving it a try.
http://theobamadiary.com/2012/11/08/rise-and-shine-the-international-front-pages/#comment-557815
LOL. Here is your WRITTEN APOLOGY.
The whole point is if I take time to gloat NOW it would taint my joy. A victory such as ours deserves an untainted and extended celebration with no encroachment by the opponent. At least that’s how I envisioned it.
I would really like that. We have to focus on midterms and make sure 2010 is not repeated.
That was supposed to be a reply to Amk 🙂
Yup. Turning the house blue in 2014 is much more important than 2012 to ensure the rethugs don’t kneecap his lame duck period. 2010 & 2012 have been a big disappointment house-wise and we shouldn’t let it happen again.
We did make some gains in the House this year, however, better than expected (really), but this gerrymandering business has to go. We need to go after more southern states, and I think AZ is also in play in the near future.
I agree with this AMK. On Sunday we are having an OFA open house to meet and greet with peeps that we’ve been working with but I really would like it if these volunteers could form some sort of ad-hoc alliance for grassroots action. Although, it sounds like they might be keeping the OFA structure in tact somehow so hopefully I’ll learn more.
Betsy, I totally agree with you and AMK!
I totally agree – spend the weekend gloating, then back to work! (with occasional private gloating, of course)… 🙂
Am I the only one that really doesn’t care about the Petraeus issue? It’s annoying how the media focuses on it non-stop. I never even really liked the guy and am actually glad he’s gone now.
I agree with you.
like him or not, he was an extremely highly placed government official, with the highest level of classified information in his care. not funny, which is why it was parodied so perfectly in the most perfect parody film of all time:
yes which makes it scary how the republicans and then so many trusted him without question. I remember how the democrats originally didn’t trust Pertraeus but reluctantly embraced him. I think that the original assessment was correct and we shouldn’t have second guessed ourselves.
This!!!
now THIS needs to be re-tweeted and made viral.
so true. 2010 was my first time voting in a general election (citizen in 2009), and I watched in horror as the GOP took over everything because people were mad at PBO that he didn’t fix everything in 2 years. Incredible! Elections have consequences, and I think the American people realized that on Nov 6th.
Hey amk, Patraeus just sent a text…
compulsory voting should be enforced everywhere.
So true! And if I remember correctly, in 2004 Bush won only 284 electoral votes. In 2000 Bush lost the popular vote by more than half a million votes and barely won the electoral votes, receiving only 272 after Florida was stolen.
It’s mandate nath. End of story. Aside from the prez’s impressive victory, voters even in deep red state like Montana elected a dem senator. MN flipped house and senate to dems. Teabagger thugs like deadbeat joe walsh and punk allen west were ousted. It’s a complete repudiation of the rethugs all across the board.
So true, Amk! The Democratic Senate victories in MT, ND, MO and IN (all red states) was impressive. Although the Dems. didn’t take over the House they gained seven seats. Nov. 6th was a repudiation of tea baggers and the ugly billionaires and millionaires intent on buying the election.
Your memory is accurate, nath! Very accurate.
#FORWARD
Thanks Bob! At 67 I am not as comfortable with my memory as I used to be.
This one is a bit of a shocker!
No kidding! That is a shocker!!
FACT …
#TrustBarack
Yes We Did
How come Diane Feinstein is always first out of the gate to make some statement about national security before all the facts are known? She’s one of my senators, but she really drives me crazy.
I know what you mean, Theo! She drives me crazy too. I was not very enthusiastic voting for her, but I had no other choice. I have from time to time written to her about my displeasure with the way she undermines the President. She very rarely replies with any substance. On the other hand, Sen. Barbara Boxer always has the President’s back. She is also very fearless in promoting progressive causes.
I’ve written to her, as well. She has never, not even once, responded to a single letter. And, if I’m not mistaken, she doesn’t even have voicemail on her office phones. I may be wrong about that, because I gave up calling her back during the health care days. But, she really doesn’t seem to be in it for the right reasons. I’m glad she kept her seat, but I really hope she retires soon, and let’s someone take that seat who is actually prepared to work for the people – not special interests.
I hope Petraeus is not going to end up being a “pundit” on FOX “news”. That would be highly offensive. I hear he may become President of one of the elite Universities (Princeton, I think). What a mess!
wow that was quick–he only resigned in disgrace yesterday, and he’s already being offered a prestigious position educating young people.
I think the rumour had been circling for a while that they wanted him. People love idols – some are willing to forgive anything. Let’s just hope there wasn’t a breach of national security!
What I’m reading this morning – the affair came out as a result of an FBI investigation into the compromising of Petraeus’ computer. We don’t yet know (and may never know) if truly sensitive information was obtained by the mistress/biographer but the fact that the computer was available enough for her to access it is unconscionable.
Any lesser soldier would be court-martialed over this. So, yes, in our bizarre political landscape there’s a place for Petraeus in punditry or higher education but in my opinion he should live in disgrace the rest of his life. This was lack of judgment to the highest degree, and it should make everyone reflect on what other lapses of judgment he may have committed.
Disgraceful.
If the reason why he is resigning is because of adultery…why would you want a disgraced officer to teach anyone….
According to one report I read in a newspaper (can’t remember which) all his friends say he would NEVER do that.
That’s good to hear.
To keep the economy afloat, the White House cut the deals it felt it had to. Many, such as Obama’s agreement to extend all of the Bush tax cuts in 2010, were poorly received by Democrats. Now comes the payoff. The expiration of those cuts and the automatic reductions set to take effect at year’s end—the so-called fiscal cliff—mean that Obama and the Democrats can gain a huge source of new revenue by doing nothing at all. Republican priorities are the ones suddenly in peril. The combination of tax increases on the rich, higher capital-gains taxes, and sharp cuts in defense spending have congressional Republicans deeply worried. To mitigate these, they’ll have to bargain.
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Going over the cliff would also weaken the Republicans’ greatest point of leverage: renewing their threat to default on the national debt. Right now, the Treasury expects to hit the debt ceiling in February. But if the cliff can’t be avoided, tax rates will rise and government coffers will swell, delaying the date of default—thus diminishing the Republicans’ advantage. Alice Rivlin, the founding director of the Office of Management and Budget and a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution, says that “as quickly as the IRS began changing the withholding schedule, the date would be pushed back.”
Love this sandwich sign in the great world class city of Chicago
Halperin on Today trying to stir up trouble with Petraeus/Libya/Obama.
Awesome story re: our most compassionate President!
“Last Friday (11/2/12) Pres Obama was speaking at our local high school. I took my 10wk old son with me… I was front row with a hungry baby.
I knew I didn’t want him to start crying, as the President had just begun to speak, so I covered him up with his blanket and let him go to town. I
noticed the President glance at me while speaking and give a little smile. I thought surely I imagined it. Then, when he was done speaking he
came down to do the usual crowd greeting, shaking hands and whatnot. As soon as he got close enough, he pointed to me and gestured his
hands in the “hand me the baby” manner. So I handed my son over! He danced with him a second and kissed him on his forehead. As he was
handing him back he smiled, nodded at me, and said good job. Everyone has been asking why he told me good job and I just giggle. Here I was
worried about breastfeeding in front of all those people and the only person who noticed was The President of the United States, and he
supports it! Best feeling EVER!” ~♥ (tiffany)
There’s a picture of PBO holding the baby but I don’t know how to post it.
Wow Obamala…love that story. Thanks for sharing. Our President is the best.
What an awesome story, and memory.
I love that man!
Beautiful deer, coat going gray for winter, just trotted thru my back yard. He stopped right outside our sliding glass door to check out his surroundings, turned and looked at me right in the eye! I waved at him, for some reason. Wanting to show him I’m a friendly? I will never understand the mindset of people who spend a chunk of their limited time on earth shooting and killing these beauties. Teeny weenie penies? Can’t they go bowling instead, something less deadly?
You waved at the deer! That’s so cute – he probably could sense that you were a “friendly”. I don’t understand hunting, either – especially with our abundance of food in the grocery stores. In a related note: someone on twitter posted a picture of a squirrel that had fallen asleep on their porch in a wicker chair, propped up like it was actually sitting in the chair. I couldn’t help but think that the little critter probably sensed “friendlies” at that home, as well. We need to care for these little creatures.
BWAHAHAHAHAHA…….Karma is a B……!
Just learned that Romney was also born in 1947 and we all know MA was 47th in job creation. The numbers 4 and 7 HATE him. 😆
Oh my – isn’t that something? HAHAHAHAHA!
This year’s election has been brought to you by the numbers 4 and 7! Thank you Big Bird! 🙂
But have they finished counting all the ballots in Arizona?
Good Morning TOD!
The irony in this election is that we didn’t need Virginia, Ohio (our Firewal) or Florida to win this election. Colorado put us at 272 electoral votes. So when you hear folks say this was a “narrow” victory its total bull. In the end, we had the icing on the cake of winning the “big three”. This was a decisive win! Now we get to legislate the will of the people who voted in the majority on Tuesday for the President’s policies. Our work is not Done, we’ve only just Begun!
Oh, they were firewalls alright. They burnt the bot and turned him into ashes.
As so well described in this article, which I am sure I picked up here on TOD! have been lurking a bit, but have to get ready for work now. Ice all over the cars here today, scrape, scrape, scrape! Love youse, {{{{{{Chips}}}}} http://www.thenation.com/blog/171178/obamas-3-million-vote-electoral-college-landslide-majority-states-mandate#
I also laughed when I noted that the neighbors across the street had removed their Vote Pro Life and Romney/Ryan signs by 5:20 a.m. the morning after. They either ran out there late at night or real early in the morning to snatch that proof of wrongheadedness off their lawn. Too embarrassing.
Hmmm….if that is true, then we might potentially pick up a senate seat in AZ!!! And the Presidential margin might be A LOT closer.
Tweet this to DOJ, ask then if they are monitoring the counting.
So jovie, when is FL gonna declare the results ?
They put the results in a time capsule, not to be opened until 2250!
LOL.
Nate Silver at U. of Chgo last night as part of their lecture series, basking in the glow of correctly predicting all 50 states. We can also laugh at all those rt. wingers who spent hours and hours maligning him and his predictions. As it turned out, he was right, and they were wrong—–as usual.
I am so tormenting myself.
I keep watching President Obama’s “Thank You” video and cannot stop, but the hurtful part is that I cry each time.
Help!!!
Same here. Glad I’m not alone. I was beginning to feel disturbed/obsessed. If I’m not the only one doing it, it means it’s not too much. 🙂
Me, too. I’ve watched it several times. It’s mesmerizing because it’s another glimpse into his personality. And it’s about his vulnerability. He’s wearing his exhaustion and his pride on his sleeve as he reflects back on the journey, the entire journey from his youth to the election and all that it means to him. And it’s a sort of passing of the torch, which makes it very, very emotional. That’s the point where he starts to cry, realizing that he is stepping into a new age and so are they. For all these reasons, it’s very moving and compelling. So you are not alone.
I’ve watched it three times this morning, and the Lawrence O’Donnell “gloating” video three times, too. Going back in for another dip on both…
Ha! Love both!
What an amazing week! The other I watch often too is Sasha telling her dad to look behind him. So touching!
In another election result which goes against conventional wisdom, PBO won in 8 of 10 wealthiest counties, the widest margin in Ca.’s Marin Co.—-San Fran—-where Obama won by a convincing 74% – 23%.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/obama-wins-8-10-wealthiest-154837437.html
OFA put a lot of emphasis on having us register voters and getting them to the polls in Fairfax (a suburb of DC) and Loudoun County (an exurb of DC) in Virginia. These are very wealthy counties that came out and voted in the majority for PBO. They are highly populated counties and their votes were pivotal in helping the President to win that state.
Moooooooorning everyone!
http://theobamadiary.com/2012/11/10/rise-and-shine-346/
Since Chips seems to be sleeping it off after painting the town green on tgif….
A guy was on trial for murder and if convicted, would get the electric chair. His brother found out that a redneck was on the jury and figured he would be the one to bribe. He told the redneck that he would be paid $10,000 if he could convince the rest of the jury to reduce the charge to manslaughter.
The jury was out an entire week and returned with a verdict of manslaughter.
After the trial, the brother went to the redneck’s house, told him what a great job he had done and paid him the $10,000.
The red neck replied that it wasn’t easy to convince the rest of the jury to change the charge to manslaughter. “They all thought he was not guilty and, wanted to let him go.”
Yikes! 🙂