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  1. 1 hopefruit2
    October 20, 2012 at 2:01 pm


    • 6 vcprezofan2
      October 20, 2012 at 2:35 pm

    • 7 Ladyhawke
      October 20, 2012 at 2:38 pm

      ROMNEY: YOU’LL GET YOUR CHANCE IN A MOMENT, I’M STILL SPEAKING………. (Was this presidential ??)

      Looks like Roger Simon is picking up on the Romney campaign whining that “Romnesia” is not presidential. If anyone deserves to be ridiculed, it’s Mitt Romney. It has obviously hit a nerve. I’m just curious, where is the media outrage about the DISRESPECT that Mitt Romney showed to President Obama at the debate. Does anyone think that was presidential behavior for Romney?? Followed by one of his sons saying he wanted to take a swing at President Obama. How much INK has there been about that Roger Simon???

      Now we get advice from armchair journalists like Roger Simon who have been UNCOMFORTABLE calling Mitt Romney a liar saying President Obama should not address the issue?? Excuse me, if the media had been doing their job maybe creating the term ROMNESIA would not be necessary. Steve Benen has been documenting the lies every Friday for months now. There is an endless supply of lies to document. Maybe Roger Simon should be sending out a few tweets about the unprecedented volumes of lies from Mitt Romney. Romney’s pathological lying and GOP voter suppression efforts are the two big stories of this election.


      PRESIDENT OBAMA: What you’re saying is just not true. It’s just not true.

      MR. ROMNEY: I — it’s absolutely true. Look, there’s no question but that the people recognize that we have not produced more oil —

      PRESIDENT OBAMA: I’ll give you your time. Go ahead.

      MR. ROMNEY: — and gas on federal lands and in federal waters. And coal — coal production is not up, coal jobs are not up. I was just at a coal facility where some 1,200 people lost their jobs. The right course for America is to have a true all-of-the-above policy. I don’t think anyone really believes that you’re a person who’s going to be pushing for oil and gas and coal.

      You’ll get your chance in a moment. I’m still speaking.


      PRESIDENT OBAMA: Well, Governor, if — if you’re asking me a question, I’m going to answer it.

      MR. ROMNEY: My — and the answer is I don’t believe people think that’s the case, because I — I’m — that wasn’t a question.

      PRESIDENT OBAMA: OK. All right.



      • 9 jacquelineoboomer
        October 20, 2012 at 3:47 pm

        I was trying to be cute and not sure I made myself clear using “governor,” so I deleted the old tweet and started again:

        • 10 Ladyhawke
          October 20, 2012 at 5:13 pm

          FOR PETE’S SAKE, this tweet from Roger Simon makes it sound like President Obama was talking about “Romnesia” while making an address to the American people from the OVAL OFFICE. He was energizing supporters and and telling a bit of truth about Mitt Romney using humor at a freaking “RE-ELECTION CAMPAIGN RALLY”. Sheesh. Mitt Romney deserves to be ridiculed. The fact that the Romney-Ryan campaign make skid marks to the fainting couching (oh the horror, PBO is not acting presidential) is hilarious. But what is more egregious is that the mainstream media is so willingness to parrot the disingenuous and bogus right wing talking points. It would be great if Roger Simon and his colleagues did not allow themselves to provide cover for Mitt Romney by focusing on PBO instead of ROMNEY’S MENDACITY.

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  4. 14 utaustinliberal
    October 20, 2012 at 2:04 pm

    Joey B is rocking it in FL.

    • 17 Ladyhawke
      October 20, 2012 at 3:03 pm

      Thank you Edwina. This infuriates me. Roger Simon is carrying water for the long suffering Romney-Ryan campaign. Their response was to say it’s not presidential. They are just trying to focus on PBO and deflect attention away from the real issue which is “Mitt’s Mendacity”. The whining from them is embarrassing. Mitt Romney disrespected President Obama at the debate and one of his sons wanted to take a swing a President Obama. So now he is the arbiter of what is presidential. Don’t make me laugh. The Republican Party, Tea Party. Drudge, Trump, Hannity, Limbaugh, Fox has continuously lied, distorted and made stuff up to discredit President Obama and his accomplishments. Their disrespect of President Obama has been relentless and shocking..

      The “Romnesia” tag is devastating because everybody gets it. The examples of Romnesia are endless. Romney’s first campaign ad was deceptive and filled with lies. He’s been lying constantly ever since then. If the media can’t or won’t do their job of exposing the lies then the OFA campaign has to. There is just too much at stake. The curtain has to be pulled all the way back to expose the used car salesman that is Mitt Romney. He is incompetent and he can’t be trusted. The American people have a right to know that before they vote. Bottom line, he does not have the qualifications and temperament to be the leader of the free world. Period.

  5. 18 LadyTNT
    October 20, 2012 at 2:07 pm

    Reposting from last thread: Please help me if you can!!

    Cookemom, Yardarm, 57andfemale, J’OB, and any other Chicagoans and Illinoisans(not sure if I’m spelling those right), I am helping my grandparents fill out their absentee ballots. Can you guys help me with the parts about the proposed amendment to the 1970 Illinois constitution and the public questions about if the city should arrange for the supply of electricity for it’s residential and small commercial retail customers that opted out. The one about if the state should provide funding for the normal costs of pensions for Chicago teachers as the do for other teachers in the state and the one about if the U.S. congress should pass a bill adopting an amendment to the U.S. Constitution, empowering the fed gov and states to regulate and limit political contributions from corps. I have no clue about this stuff and I hope it’s not illegal for me to be asking y’all. Should they vote no or yes for these things or at least explain it to me, so that I can explain it to them. Thanks!

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  8. 30 vcprezofan2
    October 20, 2012 at 2:18 pm

    Love it when Chips says ‘chat away’ and I have nothing to chat about!

    • 31 joanshaw
      October 20, 2012 at 2:29 pm

      I have … a little bit. This morning my daughter-in-law emailed me about the brilliant term “Romnesia” — she suggested we encourage Roy Zimmerman to do a rendition of Romnesia much like his song about Romney, “The Demon Barber of Wall Street.” I’m going to send off a request from his fan here to do just that. Remember his first line, “Attend the tale of Romney Mitt, Although he doesn’t remember it …” And he goes on to describe the hair cut Romney and his young gang of hoodlums cut the hair of a boy they’d outed as gay?

      I wonder if he could shoot out a version of Romnesia overnight?

      • 32 vcprezofan2
        October 20, 2012 at 2:45 pm

        Good luck on this effort, JS! That first line you quoted seemed to fit exactly with #Romnesia.
        I don’t remember the Romney song but then I an not at all musical. I don’t even have any musical favorites that I can name off the top of my head. I tend to appreciate a good song for the moment, then forget about it. It’s one of the reasons I have such respect for TOD deejays like, Dudette, DesertFlower, Isonprize, Jackie, PrettyFoot and others when they start to spin the party needle on special occasions when Chips goes out of town (or to bed).

  9. 35 vitaminlover
    October 20, 2012 at 2:20 pm

    First Lady Obama looks like a woman who will be raising the standard of being First Laady. She so belongs in the White House along with her husband for 4 more years.

    • 36 theo67
      October 20, 2012 at 3:52 pm

      I totally agree! They both are serious about serving the people, and they both work so hard. They both want to make the most of the time they’re in the White House to make the optimal and most positive difference in the lives of the people for whom they’re fighting.

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  11. 38 auni
    October 20, 2012 at 2:33 pm

    If we all put our heads together and came up with a list of things we wanted in a First Lady, we would include smart, caring, beautiful,, a good LONG list–we would come up with Mrs. Obama–except she goes way beyond anything we could imagine. What a lovely women!

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  13. October 20, 2012 at 2:41 pm

    All knowing blog people— does anyone know whether the Koch brothers were somehow involved in the events at the University of Virginia last summer when the president was fired and then reinstated? A friend heard they may have been involved.

    • 43 Bill
      October 20, 2012 at 3:42 pm

      I followed it very closely and have some inside knowledge. There is nothing to indicate the Koch Brothers were involved. The evidence clearly suggests Paul Tudor Jones and a few other hedge fund guys with interests in online learning were the ones behind it. Jones has donated significant money to Governor Vaginal Probe McDonnell who let it go on longer than he should have.

  14. 45 hopefruit2
    October 20, 2012 at 2:42 pm

    LOL! I wouldn’t go as far as saying that PBO is any particular Conservative, but hey, whatever it takes to get you to vote for him – I’ll take it.

    • 46 theo67
      October 20, 2012 at 3:54 pm

      Yup – at this point, if it means another vote for President Obama, then who cares how they justify it! We all know that any thinking person should be running as far away from today’s Republican party as possible. Some just need some cover.

  15. October 20, 2012 at 2:46 pm

    Please sign, spread on Twitter and Facebook …

    … Thank you.

  16. 50 LadyTNT
    October 20, 2012 at 2:51 pm

    Thank you Cookemom!!! You really helped me!

  17. 51 hopefruit2
    October 20, 2012 at 2:52 pm

    I see that some folks are freaking out over some Ohio polling – I mean haven’t we been there before? Folks should know by now that the polling is unreliable in these last few weeks. Furthermore, the pollsters are using 2010 algorithms to fill in missing data – which is bullshyte in a Presidential year, ESPECIALLY when Barack Obama is on the ballot.

    • October 20, 2012 at 3:09 pm

      That fox news poll yesterday said that because their is no enthusiasm on the Dems side, that The Presidents lead has dwindled down to 3 points.
      Then, they contradicted themselves, saying, but early voting in Ohio has democrats up 20 points.

    • 53 prettyfoot58
      October 20, 2012 at 3:56 pm


      and none of these polls include NEW voters …..and early voters….

      i have given up on this roller coaster ridecalle the polls …..just looking forward and doing what i can do to re-elect the President….


    • 54 theo67
      October 20, 2012 at 3:56 pm

      Scroll on by. These last couple of weeks are going to bring out the Nervous Nellies. There’s just too much to do, to get distracted by anything that doesn’t get votes out. People should know better by now, but some seem to thrive on the energy of panic.

    • October 20, 2012 at 4:49 pm

      No…not all pollsters are using the 2010 model. It depends on the pollster.

      I think Ohio is Obama’s…but this race is going to be extremely close. Obama has been spending the entire year prepping us for the potential of a very close election and nothing has changed. My guess is that even Obama realizes Ohio is going to be close, which is why he’s cut a new ad specifically for the state and banked a lot of his support there.

      If Obama wins Ohio, it’ll probably be by a 1-3 point margin. Remember, in ’08, he won it by only a four-point margin and I see no evidence this election is shaping out to be as comfortable of a victory as it was four years ago.

  18. October 20, 2012 at 2:53 pm

    But but but Roger Simon said…

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  20. 60 auni
    October 20, 2012 at 2:57 pm

    Someone mentioned Safeway employees being told to vote for Romney. They are union members and they better take a look at how Wal-Mart keeps the unions out and how they treat their employees. That’s their future under Romney.

    • 61 taiping1
      October 20, 2012 at 3:14 pm

      Safeway is not owned by Mormons. Perhaps by Republicans. But a union shop and very progressive in wellness programs for employees (active in consultations when Obamacare developed).

      • 62 Chi
        October 20, 2012 at 6:12 pm

        Actually Safeway stores was indeed purchased by the LDS church as part of an investment group a couple of years ago…

        And their “union” has been largely weakened by the ownership strategically infiltrating and running their very own ‘candidates’…

        I am on the road at the moment and really can’t type, but I will share a more detailed post later…

  21. October 20, 2012 at 2:58 pm

    Amy does not like Mitt, that’s very clear … 🙂

    • 65 lisalovesobama
      October 20, 2012 at 3:03 pm

      $10000 says she still votes for him though.

      • 66 hopefruit2
        October 20, 2012 at 3:19 pm

        This is one case in which I have to disagree with you lisa. I truly believe that the Huntsman family ABHORS the Romney family – for reasons I’m not really clear on, but I believe it is related to an old family feud going way back to when Willard chaired the Winter Olympics in Utah.

        I will try to find the details and get back to you on it if I can. But trust me when I say that there is no love lost between the Romneys and the Hunstmans.

        • 67 LunarSea
          October 20, 2012 at 4:10 pm

          And Huntsman was Amb to China. I’m sure they crossed paths there as Huntsman was trying to advance PBO agenda and Robme is out for numero uno. I bet he’s sitting on some juicy stuff!

        • 68 jacquelineoboomer
          October 20, 2012 at 4:22 pm

          Also, I believe Abby is the daughter who married a non-Mormon, and before her wedding was required to meet with the Mormon bishop who more or less told her she wasn’t welcome in heaven anymore, and, needless to say, she left the Mormon church. So add that to her family’s “issues” with Romney, and she feels pretty free to speak the truth.

    • 69 hopefruit2
      October 20, 2012 at 3:04 pm

      That’s right Bob. Not only does she not like Willard but it sure seems like she’s rooting for Obama. Here’s one of her tweets during the 2nd debate. This could have been something that you or I tweeted!

  22. October 20, 2012 at 3:00 pm

    Looks like they vote right inside the Casino?

  23. 74 hopefruit2
    October 20, 2012 at 3:00 pm

    That’s exactly what the MSM is HOPING that PBO will will with their nonstop crappy polling propaganda…. But we’ve got news for them, PBO ain’t conceding a DAMN thing to this pathological, disgusting LOSER called Mitt Romney.

    • October 20, 2012 at 3:05 pm

      Tweet this to Lis Smith, so she can officially hit him over the head with it.

      Good pushback.

      • 76 hopefruit2
        October 20, 2012 at 3:16 pm

        Nate Silver is treated like a damn God among some progressives and that includes a fair number of Obama supporting Democrats. They don’t seem to be aware that he no longer operates independently but is working to keep his job at the New York Times, and will push whatever narrative they feel is convenient for their corporate bottom line, facts be damned.

        It is inappropriate for Nate to be pushing this discouraging article about conceding Florida, when early in-person voting hasn’t even started yet! This is NOT election night! Furthermore, the most recent polling out of FL shows PBO will sizable lead among REGISTERED voters! What the hell is Silver trying to do here?!?

    • October 20, 2012 at 3:18 pm

      Good tweet hf!!

      • 82 hopefruit2
        October 20, 2012 at 3:21 pm

        Thanks Bob! I appreciate all that you’ve been doing for PBO (and for the country) via your effective messages on Twitter. 🙂

    • 83 Mae who love our CIC
      October 20, 2012 at 3:44 pm

      Willard has already hired the same lawyer who represented Bush when we had voting descrepancies before. This shitz won’t happen again. We are onto to them.

    • 84 theo67
      October 20, 2012 at 3:59 pm

      Nate’s brain seems to be frying right before our very eyes.

    • October 20, 2012 at 4:59 pm

      He should definitely not concede Florida … yet. If I had to guess, Obama probably loses Florida (most polls show Romney up … and while a couple show Obama leading, I think it’s important to look at the average), but it’s important to see if it can swing back his way. I think he needs to give it another week and if the polls haven’t shifted by next Sunday, then he must seriously think about moving his resources to, say, Virginia … which seems more winnable at this point than Florida.

      Sadly, this isn’t 2008. The margins are so narrow, both nationally and in a lot of swing states, that Obama’s going to have to start focusing on the states he needs … not the states that would be nice to win, but are in no way tied to his electoral victory. Florida is an important state, and winning certainly could lock up reelection, but the worst thing Obama could do is invest in a false state and lose ground in, say, Ohio and Wisconsin. Right now, his path to 270 is good. But if Ohio tightens and Wisconsin continues to remain narrow, then the map shrinks considerably and if Obama does lose Ohio, which is still a possibility, then he might find himself in a tough spot if he can’t swing NH (where he’s down), Iowa (where his lead is probably a bit narrower than that NBC poll), Wisconsin (which I think he leads by 2-4 points) and Colorado (where he’s probably down or tied with Romney).

      So, I think we give it a week … but yeah, the campaign can’t afford to stretch the playing field. Four years ago they could because Wisconsin, New Hampshire, Iowa, Michigan, Pennsylvania … these states were already in the bag. Ohio was strongly leaning Obama, as was Virginia and the last three narrow state – Indiana, Virginia and Florida, Obama focused mostly on the latter two. He could get away with that because his margins in other states were so big that he didn’t have to worry about losing a Democratic-leaning state like Iowa or NH, which he does now. With so little time, and so much ground to cover, the best option might be to invest in Ohio, New Hampshire, Iowa, Virginia, Colorado and Wisconsin.

      If Florida breaks again for Obama, then yes, campaign and lock it up. But, like North Carolina, I think it’s probably going to go Romney this go around.

      • 89 hopefruit2
        October 20, 2012 at 5:29 pm

        I’m not sure where you’re getting your info from but the idea that “most polls show Romney up” in FL is not accurate. Most polls are tied, some show Obama up by 1-2 pts, and those that show Romney up have a questionable likely voter screen that we’ve been criticizing here for some time.

        Secondly, you talk about 2008, but as the data shows, the ground game in 2012 is producing DEM registration an turnouts among key demographics (AAs, Latinos, AND Youth) that exceed that of 2008 in the battleground states.

        • 90 Chi
          October 20, 2012 at 6:23 pm

          Thank you so much …

          If memory serves me well, nothing was ‘in the bag’ in 2008…

          This attempt by the poster above you to revise history before our eyes and pretend President Obama didn’t have to fight till the very last minute for every single state he won in 2008, is not only disingenuous but completely suspect…

          • October 20, 2012 at 6:59 pm

            Sadly, Chi, you’re the one revising history. While no election is ever in the bag, Obama was doing far better this time four years ago than he is currently. Anyone who doesn’t believe that wasn’t paying attention. Just go re-check the polls for late October and you’ll see what I mean.

            What’s so funny is that you take my realist statement as some type of concession we’re going to lose. No, that isn’t the point and it shows how focused some of you are on anything that isn’t remotely cheery and positive. You need to step out of your bubble and realize this election is going to be close. To pretend otherwise flies in the face of what Obama has been saying ALL YEAR. Obama is the one who said this election was going to be close and it is. There are going to be states Obama won four years ago that he won’t win this go around and it’s very likely his popular vote margin doesn’t come close to seven points.

            Saying that doesn’t mean I’m saying he’s going to lose or that I’m trying to depress you guys. It’s reality. It’s not my fault you’re all so detached from reality that even the slightest bit of realistic news is met with an absolute overreaction. I think some of you expect Obama to dominate like he did four years ago and if that’s your expectation, you’re going to be freaking the fuck out on election day. Me? I expect the night to be very close … with Obama ultimately prevailing. But unless the polls shift dramatically between now and Nov. 6th, I don’t anticipate a scenario where Obama is cruising to victory throughout election night. That’s all I’m saying and if that’s the reality of this race, it makes sense to focus on the states you need, and lead in, than focusing on Florida, which very well could go to Romney. Obama probably realizes this and I wouldn’t be surprised if, next week, the polls haven’t shifted there he will focus more and more on Ohio, Colorado, Wisconsin, New Hampshire and Virginia.

            There is nothing wrong with that. It’s smart political strategy to go after the states you most certainly need.

            But it’s also possible the polls break his way in Florida. I said as much in my post. But because I’m not going to convince myself he’ll win Florida, or convince myself he’s up by a wide margin nationally, I’m a troll, or a plant or really not an Obama supporter.

            Fuck that.

            • October 20, 2012 at 7:18 pm

              Sorry for butting in, but seriously DI, do you genuinely believe most people here don’t believe this election will be close? That everyone here ignores all the polls, even the legitimate ones, and the opposition PBO faces from the media to the sizable chunk of bigots out there? Even all the people who are out there day in, day out slogging their guts out for the campaign? They live in a bubble? Amazing.

              • October 21, 2012 at 4:15 am

                Sure sounds like that’s what they believe. I never said anything in my post to suggest I was being a defeatist or trying to depress Obama supporters. Yet I get essentially called a plant because I don’t buy the line that Obama is in amazing shape. I think he’s in good shape and that’s about it. This election is far too close and sometimes, in situations like that, you’ve got to make tough decisions. Do you keep going at Florida if the polls don’t budge knowing your time, energy and money can be spent in Ohio … a state that if you win, you almost guarantee yourself reelection?

                That’s all I proposed. I even said Obama’s campaign should give it a week to see if the polls move. But right now, I think it’s safe to say that Obama is the underdog in Florida. There just aren’t enough polls from that state that show him ahead for me to believe otherwise. Give it a week and see if they budge, tighten or he takes the lead. If they don’t, I wouldn’t be against the idea of Obama pulling out of the state and focusing his attention on Ohio, Virginia, Colorado, Iowa and New Hampshire – states he NEEDS TO WIN. He doesn’t need to win Florida.

                So, yes I do think, in some sense, many of the people here do live in a bubble. They convince themselves that what is happening isn’t really happening. They dismiss any type of negative news, even if it’s delivered with good intent. Snapping at Nate, who I don’t buy into much anyway, because he proposes a legitimate question does no one any good. Pretending Florida is a toss-up at worst is denying the reality. Florida is a winnable state … but right now it’s not trending in Obama’s favor. All you have to do is look at the most recent polls.

                Can Obama overcome the deficit there and is it even worth trying? That’s the ultimate question and it’s something I proposed in a pretty reasonable way. Yet some here felt inclined to attack me and suggest I’m intentionally dispiriting the mood here. Not at all. But sometimes a reality check is in order and when I read posts that dismiss what I said, a post I didn’t even dismiss Obama’s chances or say he’s in trouble, shows me that, yes, many do live in a bubble. It’s harsh, but it’s true. And that’s what truly is amazing.

                That’s great they’re working their butts off for the campaign. But it does no one any good to bury our heads in the sand and deny the reality of this race … and, as you said, it’s one that is extremely close. My post essentially said that. That’s what is amazing … really … that I can be attacked for a fairly level-headed post because I had the audacity to suggest that maybe, in a week, Obama should look to pulling his resources out of Florida if the state doesn’t budge.

                There was nothing wrong with what I said and I was attacked for it. If they truly believe the race is as close as you say they do, then they would understand where I’m coming from … the fact that it would be devastating to the campaign if they went all in in Florida and lost … but also in the process lost Ohio. To me, and I believe to Obama’s campaign, they see Florida as a state they could win, but their focus is shifting more and more to Ohio because they know the election will be decided there. Florida would just be the cherry on top … but first, you’ve got to get the sundae and right now, that’s still in doubt. Yes, I think Obama will win. But the polls can shift fast. We’ve seen that this race already. If they shift one more time in Romney’s direct, I think we all agree it would potentially put Obama in the underdog role. The best way to keep that from happening is focusing on Ohio and Iowa, Virginia and New Hampshire … states Romney needs to win that Obama has a bigger advantage in than he does Florida.

          • 95 hopefruit2
            October 20, 2012 at 7:02 pm

            Here are a few things you need to know about Real Clear politics:

            1. They are owned by Steve Forbes – RW, corporate pro-Republican.

            2. They select which polls to give most weight in their so-called “average” which means that they usually favor Republican-skewed polling, like Gallup, Rassmussen and WeAskAmerica.

      • 96 nathkatun7
        October 20, 2012 at 6:06 pm

        Please stop depressing us! If you know what the President should be doing you should apply to join his team. I think the people who run his winning campaign last time around and are still running it this time know exactly what they are doing. They don’t need Nate Silver or any one else to tell them how run the campaign.

      • 97 yardarm756
        October 20, 2012 at 6:17 pm

        Who the hell are you with that ‘gloom and doom’ bs?

        • 98 Chi
          October 20, 2012 at 6:40 pm

          Sadly, there are several folks who have successfully embedded themselves into pro President Obama blogs and do a pretty good job of chipping away and rattling supporters…

          What we must all caution against is believing that some familiar names who were all in with us in 2008 are still as supportive and our friends and do not now have an agenda that is not entirely now more against President Obama…

          Nate Silver is a glaring example as are some who participate on this and other blogs…

          We must push back and keep fighting for every single new vote out there…

          I live in California and still take nothing for granted and so have personally registered about 570 new voters who will be voting for President Obama this election cycle…

          They encompass young and old, and a diverse sampling of every race and religion…

          But now had ever voted…

          I want to make sure that for each ‘disgruntled’ voter from 2008 who stupidly decides not to vote this time, we have enough new voters to take their place…

          We will win this thing, but we will win it by not ceding any ground or taking anything for granted…

          And I am doing my darndest to make sure that as polls close on November 6, there will be no regrets about what more I could have done…

          • 99 Chi
            October 20, 2012 at 6:42 pm

            …none has ever voted…

          • October 20, 2012 at 6:52 pm


            I don’t need you to question my support of Obama. I’ve been an Obama supporter since 2007 and have advocated for him, worked for him, phone banked for him in both elections. I’m sorry you feel I’m a plant … only because I’m not going to pretend Obama is going to run away with this thing like so many of you assume.

            Look, you can bury your head in the sand or you can heed Obama’s words, something he’s been stressing for the entire campaign season – THIS ELECTION IS GOING TO BE CLOSE. It’s going to be a razor thin win for either candidate. To pretend otherwise does no one any good. We need to work as if this election is close BECAUSE IT IS CLOSE. Obama is the favorite and I think he will win, but there are states he probably will lose in a couple weeks and one of ’em is Florida.

            But I don’t need some asshole on the internet questioning my support for the President because I’m not buying this idea we’re going to see a 2008-like landslide.

            Bottom line, tho, maybe you’re right. Maybe this place isn’t right for me. I want to talk about the election in the realist terms. That means conceding things might not go our way in states like North Carolina and Florida. Pretending he’s going to win Florida doesn’t make it so. Pretending all the polls are wrong don’t make it so. I’ve been there. I spent the entire 2004 campaign looking at the polls and thinking they were wrong and then I was totally blindsided by the results.

            I’m not going to do that again. I think Obama will win. I do not think he’ll win by 7 points like he did in ’08 and I don’t think he’ll take nearly as many electoral votes. That doesn’t mean I’m trying to dispirit anyone or that I’m a plant … it means I’m realistic.

            You know, some of you people bury your head so deep in the sand that when someone posts something even the least bit troubling, whether it’s about his chances in Florida or North Carolina, you snap and make yourselves look totally disconnected from the real world. To sit there and say I’m trying to depress you guys and I’m being so doomy and gloomy, even though I’ve said I think Obama is going to win, shows you just how out of it some of you really are. I’m not even that negative.

            So, whatever.

          • 101 yardarm756
            October 20, 2012 at 6:57 pm

            Well said Chi.

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  25. October 20, 2012 at 3:07 pm

    Chips, you may find this amusing … 😉

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  27. October 20, 2012 at 3:31 pm

    Something I read on the previous thread reminded me of this article by Thomas Friedman that came up on Facebook:


    Here’s my response:

    “Really kind of surprised that he thinks neither side has put forward a plan. Must not have been paying attention. President Obama has a jobs bill that’s been sitting in Congress; the Republicans won’t even bring it up for a vote. So there is that. Plus all the other initiatives that he has made, many still waiting for action. Mr. Friedman has probably forgotten that PBO is not a dictator. Also, I think if he wants thoughtful and detailed policy statements, he needs to be listening to something other than a debate where each party has two minutes to talk. Whatever his position on the economy, this is certainly not a way to ‘score’ a debate. The most you can tell from the debate is how each person responds to pressure. And there again, you have four years of President Obama responding to pressure on every front, more intense than any debate. He has reacted thoughtfully, intelligently and always with the best interests of the American people at heart. His statement, “I am the President. I am always responsible” just about sums it up. What has Romney ever taken responsibility for? He refuses to be responsible for what he said last week. And that leads to my final point: the idea of judging a man who has been the president for 4 years being judged on a 90 minute debate is ludicrous, and if Mr. Friedman were serious in guiding people to judge the two candidates, this is what he’d have said.”

      • October 20, 2012 at 4:05 pm

        Thank you, Bobfr. Rereading it now, I see I was a little perturbed and didn’t stop to edit, so please forgive mistakes. I was really annoyed by Friedman’s “Neither one has a plaaaan!” nonsense. Where has he been the past four years.

    • 123 theo67
      October 20, 2012 at 4:20 pm

      Isn’t this Friedman character the one who’s been making tons of money with his “the world is flat” and the “hot, flat and crowded” books? He profits from the idea that the country and the world are in decline. He’s got a serious conflict of interest in promoting any other way of thinking – he wants people depressed and miserable, buying into his malarkey. And I believe he was discredited a while back for his inconsistencies and conflicted opinions. Very dubious character.

    • October 20, 2012 at 4:56 pm

      It’s that Broderism. The facts are right in front of him but a pox on both houses. Pure David Broder.

  28. October 20, 2012 at 3:31 pm

    CIA Documents Support Obama on Libya Attack

    Washington Post: “The Romney campaign may have misfired with its suggestion that statements by President Obama and U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice about the Benghazi attack last month weren’t supported by intelligence… ‘Talking points’ prepared by the CIA on Sept. 15, the same day that Rice taped three television appearances, support her description of the Sept. 11 attack on the U.S. Consulate as a reaction to Arab anger about an anti-Muslim video prepared in the United States.”

    Meanwhile, the Los Angeles Times reports the assault “appears to have been an opportunistic attack rather than a long-planned operation, and intelligence agencies have found no evidence that it was ordered by Al Qaeda.”

    The Economist: The utterly useless Benghazi argument.

    Link: http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/10/20/cia_documents_support_obama_on_libya_attack.html

  29. 129 vcprezofan2
    October 20, 2012 at 3:37 pm

    For those of us who actually know Republicans or undecided, here’s a helpful site… http://90days90reasons.com/

  30. October 20, 2012 at 3:46 pm

    I was in the market today and wow, I overheard 5 conversations about the election, all of them in favor of PBO. I know I live in a very blue town and state, but we have our share of emoprogs. The clerk who checked my groceries was very stoked about my cool Obama button and talked the whole time about what a great POTUS we have. So that was a very fun outing!!

    I just heard our Governor Jerry Brown go ballistic over an outside group funding against our Prop 30 to save our schools. He was furious about anonymous groups from AZ flooding our state with money to defeat this important measure. Then he found out that AZ was a front group and the money was further traced to a law firm in VA. And then he discovered it’s KOCH BROTHERS MONEY. He’s demanding an investigation into money-laundering. This is just an outrage and we all know they are doing this all over the country.

    • 131 utaustinliberal
      October 20, 2012 at 4:26 pm

      The Koch Brothers are the scum of the earth. It pisses me off when some people are like, well, they do great stuff for charities and the city of New York. All the ALEC stuff, voter suppression, voter intimidation, lobbying, worker intimidation, and Super PAC nasty crap they actively fund negates any good they may have ever done.

      • 132 vcprezofan2
        October 20, 2012 at 4:49 pm

        Plus it seems highly likely they do the ‘good’ stuff only as an investment so that it can ‘buy’ them favour when they are caught pursuing their real agenda.

    • 133 theo67
      October 20, 2012 at 4:30 pm

      There’s confusion on Prop 30 because of the negative ads from Prop 38. I hope Gov Brown does more communicating on this proposition, because the messaging about the lack of lawmaker restriction on being able to redirect funding is getting muddied. California has to do something – and the ads are getting very confusing.

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  34. October 20, 2012 at 3:54 pm

    I can tell by the tweets, and comments here that the #Romnesia mockery has left a mark. MSM is having a llittle freak out.

  35. October 20, 2012 at 4:02 pm

    Joe Biden arriving with BIG box of Dunkin’ Doughnuts and cool guy shades 🙂

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    • 149 Ladyhawke
      October 20, 2012 at 4:23 pm

      The utterly useless Benghazi argument


      DAVE WEIGEL thinks Mitt Romney muffed a big chance in the most talked-about exchange in yesterday’s debate, when a questioner asked Barack Obama why there hadn’t been a response to requests by the Benghazi consulate for heavier security in the days before it was attacked. But Dave Weigel is wrong: there was no big chance to muff. The reason Mr Romney couldn’t make hay out of the Benghazi argument is that the argument is a confused mess. The people who are making it don’t understand what point they’re trying to make, so it’s not surprising that audiences don’t tend to understand it either.
      I think that by the time you get to the end of Mr Weigel’s sentence here, you should realise that the problem isn’t so much with Mitt Romney’s delivery yesterday as with the argument itself. Specifically, it’s incomprehensible. What on earth would it mean to claim that the Obama administration is unable to say that terrorism exists? Who do Republicans believe the administration thinks it is killing when it approves drone strikes in Pakistan and Yemen? What exactly is it that Republicans are trying to say about the attacks in Benghazi? Are we to believe that Democrats are predisposed to blaming terror on spontaneous mobs of Muslim zealots, as opposed to more organised groups of the same? Putting aside the shoddiness of such an analysis, what sort of indictment of the administration is that supposed to imply, in Republican eyes?



      • 150 theo67
        October 20, 2012 at 4:33 pm

        Not to mention, the request for increased security was for Tripoli, not Benhazi. The whole fiasco is ridiculous, and so is the media for supporting this witch-hunt.

    • 151 jacquelineoboomer
      October 20, 2012 at 4:32 pm

      Of course, the family of the deceased may want nothing to do with Romney. Can’t speak for them, but I know I would not.

  40. 153 Judith Fardig
    October 20, 2012 at 4:23 pm

    Two new OR voted for our President Obama just this minute! Yay for vote by mail. Now off to put them in the drop box!

  41. 157 utaustinliberal
    October 20, 2012 at 4:55 pm


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  44. 160 Ladyhawke
    October 20, 2012 at 5:24 pm

    Election 2012 – Lying Is The New Truth

    By Lorraine Devon Wilke


    Isn’t it so quaint to think back on that old legend about George Washington? You know, the one by Parson Weems where young George confesses to his father that he cut down the cherry tree, unburdening his soul because, “I cannot tell a lie.” Whether the story is poetry or prose, its meaning is admirable, a morality tale used often to illustrate the nobility of truth.

    What a concept, Truth. “The quality of being true, genuine, actual, or factual.” I’ve made that a link to Dictionary.com because there are a few people out there who are deeply confused about the concept of truth. Those people — the confused ones — come in all shapes, sizes, genders, colors, and political parties, but for the sake of argument, and in a nod to the political climate of this waning Presidential campaign, let’s focus on politicians, shall we?

    I’m not naïve; I know factual perversion has been going on since the dawn of man, but it seems now — with so many media outlets, so many ways for so many people to say so much — the tsunami of lies, manipulations, spin, and propaganda has become an unstoppable torrent with no moral compass to keep it in check. Or, as Mitt Romney pollster, Neil Newhouse, said earlier in the process, “We will not be dictated by fact-checkers.”

    Of course not. Why let truth get in the way of a presidential campaign?



  45. October 20, 2012 at 5:27 pm

    Vice President Joe Biden rounded out a two-day swing through Florida with a near constant flood of zingers in his attack-dog stump speech.

    After the vice presidential debate, “I think all of America knows what the word malarkey means now,” Biden said Saturday afternoon in St. Augustine, and his grandfather, Ambrose Finnegan, would be “proud.”

    Then, on to the latest word to be unveiled by the Obama team on the trail. As Biden spoke about Mitt Romney’s changing positions, the crowd began shouting “Romnesia” and, soon enough, the vice president hit on it.

    “The president has a new term, he calls it ‘Romnesia,'” Biden said. “And the man that the intellectual right was arguing is the standard bearer for talking straight about the need to make significant cuts, that man — it’s contagious, Congressman Ryan caught it as well.” 

    One comment that Biden made during a rhetorical flourish about Republican opposition to the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act — which he argued shouldn’t have been a controversial issue — quickly stirred up some on the right. “It’s a big deal for women, but it’s not a big deal in terms of equal pay,” Biden said. “But it’s … important — and they couldn’t even support that.”

    Toward the end of his remarks, which followed the pattern of his standard stump speech, a baby started crying in the hall.

    “I don’t blame that baby for crying,” Biden said. “That baby knows what’s in store for him or her if Romney wins. I’m glad someone understands my speech.”

  46. October 20, 2012 at 5:36 pm

    Bill on the stump for PBO

  47. 165 cman
    October 20, 2012 at 5:50 pm

    Did you guys see this yet? The breakdown of the numbers for September fundraising. It seems PBO raised $126 million for himself ($182 for the whole victory fund). Romney raised only $77 million for himself (out of $171 million).


    • 166 theo67
      October 20, 2012 at 6:33 pm

      This is excellent. I got a call from DCCC today, getting donations for the House elections – and they were tripling donations today. They are on the ball!

  48. 167 utaustinliberal
    October 20, 2012 at 5:53 pm

    Romney is proving Pres. Obama’s case.

  49. 168 prettyfoot58
    October 20, 2012 at 6:56 pm

    International monitors at US polling places draw criticism..

    United Nations-affiliated election monitors from Europe and central Asia will be at polling places around the U.S. looking for voter suppression activities by conservative groups, a concern raised by civil rights groups during a meeting this week…

    The Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE), a United Nations partner on democratization and human rights projects, will deploy 44 observers around the county on Election Day to monitor an array of activities, including potential disputes at polling places…The Leadership Conference on Civil and Human Rights, the NAACP and the ACLU, among other groups, warned this month in a letter to Daan Everts, a senior official with OSCE, of “a coordinated political effort to disenfranchise millions of Americans — particularly traditionally disenfranchised groups like minorities.”


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