This, That and the Other

A baby is held up by supporters as President Obama addresses a crowd of thousands at the Cesar E. Chavez National Monument in Keene, California, October 8 (UPI/Phil McCarten)


A girl wearing a “Big Bird” sweater waves at President Obama (Reuters/Larry Downing) 🙂


Text of the President’s remarks here


(Reuters/Larry Downing)

….. with Cesar Chavez’ widow Helen F. Chavez, left, and Dolores Huerta, Co-Founder of the United Farm Workers, as they tour the Cesar E. Chavez National Monument Memorial Garden (AP/Carolyn Kaster)

….. placing a special “Cesar Chavez” red rose at the gravesite where Cesar E. Chavez was laid to rest in 1993 (AP)

(Kevork Djansezian/Getty)

(Eric Paul Zamora/Fresno Bee)

Actress Rosario Dawson

(UPI/Phil McCarten)

(AP/Carolyn Kaster)

(Kevork Djansezian/Getty)






So, the polls are bad news for PBO? Hmmm….






Still catching up everyone, I’ll have more stuff soon – and I’m waaaaaaaaay behind with emails, I’ll reply asap 😉

284 Responses to “This, That and the Other”

  1. October 8, 2012 at 5:32 pm

  2. 8 collegekay
    October 8, 2012 at 5:34 pm

    Lets not freak about the polling in the coming week. Most of it due to increased GOP enthusiasm, not so much switched votes.
    (RE: pew)

    • 9 jackiegrumbacher
      October 8, 2012 at 5:48 pm

      Thanks for the voice of sanity. In 2008, we had a local OFA rep in our county who worked incredibly hard for the campaign. Whenever something occurred in the news that was either pro-or anti-Obama, I would ask him what he thought. What he always said was “I don’t pay any attention. I’m focused on doing my job and meeting our goals.” Good advice. We’ve got people to talk to and goals to met. Keep focused.

      • 10 collegekay
        October 8, 2012 at 5:54 pm

        Yup. I don’t have cable right now so much of the freakouts I see are on twitter. My thing is this — as long as we’re working as hard as we can, we’ll win.

      • 11 relellit
        October 8, 2012 at 7:10 pm

        That is one reason I’m not listening to the crap coming out of Howard Fineman’s mouth right now.

    • 12 sabreen60
      October 8, 2012 at 6:38 pm

      If I’m not mistaken there is only one poll today – PPP – that has Romney up. As Chips has shown Gallop has PBO 50 – Romney 45.

    • 13 hopefruit2
      October 8, 2012 at 7:17 pm

      I also don’t buy that MSM meme of “increased GOP enthusiasm”. Romney still cannot report honestly the crowds he’s getting post debate. Yesterday he and Ryan had a “secret” rally that was closed off to the media entirely. If they had all that enthusiasm, we would be seeing their post-debate crowds all over the papers.

      • 14 Puddin'
        October 8, 2012 at 9:16 pm

        hopefruit2 I don’t buy it either…there has been REAL news about the so called debate moving undecided independs to PBO. And I notice MSM is not showing the numbers re Latinos, women, A/A, etc…another thing they (especially Chuckie) don’t talk about the crowd size like they used to. Although I have refused to watch, I haven’t heard much about the September money raised. These people are full of bs.

  3. October 8, 2012 at 5:41 pm

  4. 16 dotster3
    October 8, 2012 at 5:42 pm

    I love that Baby for Obama, his happy face and his outstretched arms. I think he’s sending a good message.

    • 17 veryslowwriter
      October 8, 2012 at 6:30 pm

      That baby is just asking for a big snorfle! So adorable.
      I am so pleased about the honoring of Cesar Chavez. I was in California when the organizing of farm workers was just beginning. It was a long and bitter struggle and Cesar and Delores were always in the forefront. Everything that was said about civil rights activists in the south was said about them. The big growers were vicious.

      I still remember the day I could buy union-picked grapes. Hadn’t eaten them for YEARS.

    • October 8, 2012 at 7:17 pm

      The little girl with the “Big Bird” top looks so much like my niece.

  5. October 8, 2012 at 5:43 pm

    Thank you, Chips, for the lovely picture of the President with Helen F. Chavez and Dolores Huerta – two amazing women!!!

  6. 20 Jewelz
    October 8, 2012 at 5:45 pm

    4 more for 44!!

  7. 21 dotster3
    October 8, 2012 at 5:45 pm

  8. 24 Eveingeorgia
    October 8, 2012 at 5:49 pm

    Let’s stop watching T.V. Let’s watch debates on Cspan. let’s stop listening to pundits who are too often adolescent in their analyses and intentionally incendiary. Let’s stop being re-active ( quick to get depressed as I have been) and do what we always said we would do: Vote for PBO and do all we can to put this man, our man, back into office.

    frankly, my nerves can’t take all the up and down, and back and forth. I am voting for Barack Hussein Obama, and I am voting early.

    That’s all.

    • 25 1jam4pbo
      October 8, 2012 at 6:06 pm


      it is less than a week since the last freak out. Just look at the polls they are all over the place one minute to the next. Our chains are being “YANKED” guys. Get a grip, no more of that stuff from last week.

      Thanks to all those hard working Volunteers trying to get President Obama re-elected. They need our support and the way to do that is to remain positive and committed to this Movement.

      Do not give the media the satisfaction of pulling another one over us. The next Debate is in 2 days they are starting already to call it.

      Yes We Can Move Forward!

    • 28 Sharon
      October 8, 2012 at 6:11 pm

      Amen, amen, amen!

    • 29 0388jojothecat
      October 8, 2012 at 7:36 pm

      I stopped watching or I switch channels. I will wait for LO tonight but if he’s talking about the debate then I’ll turn it to HGTV or a movie. Who needs to hear a lair and cheat won the debate….not me. I will listen to Stephanie Miller in the morning and Randi Rhodes in the afternoon and call it a day.

  9. 30 Tally
    October 8, 2012 at 5:51 pm

  10. 35 Tally
    October 8, 2012 at 5:52 pm

    @HalSparks retweeted my tweet. Squeee.

  11. 39 4morefor44
    October 8, 2012 at 5:57 pm

    cesar chavez knew a thing a two about “taking off the bedroom slippers” too:

    i bet president obama was really moved by the event today since chavez was such a titan in community organizing just as our president has become. so great that he was there in the midst of a outbreak of chicken little-ism. almost kind of funny when you compare the two worlds. who’s in?

  12. 40 carolyn
    October 8, 2012 at 5:59 pm

    I will repeat what I said at the end of the last thread. Keep calm and carry on! Good advice from the British. This is a replay of 2008 on steroids. I just finished vacuuming. That works out frustration and Is constructive.
    …..find your own Zen. Nate Silver s advice is right…..get a grip.

  13. October 8, 2012 at 6:00 pm

  14. October 8, 2012 at 6:00 pm

    My 2 sons and I mailed our ballots today from Germany, 3 more votes for PBO!!

  15. 45 dotster3
    October 8, 2012 at 6:07 pm

  16. October 8, 2012 at 6:10 pm

  17. October 8, 2012 at 6:11 pm

    • 49 Nena20409
      October 8, 2012 at 6:15 pm

      Big Bird has his brigades. That is just awesome.

    • 50 utaustinliberal
      October 8, 2012 at 6:23 pm

      Big Bird has millions of fans. Romney picked the wrong bird to mess with.

      p.s. The baby with the “Babies For Obama” shirt is so adorable. And actress Rosario Dawson was also present? Nice….very nice.

      • 51 theo67
        October 8, 2012 at 6:24 pm

        Rosario Dawson has been on a few radio programs stumping for President Obama and just being an activist for the Latino community. She’s been doing a good job. Glad to see her there.

  18. 52 Nena20409
    October 8, 2012 at 6:13 pm

    That baby is just too Cute. Look at the face? The cheeks are begging to be pinched. Wow….that is a lovely beautifully looking baby.

  19. 54 Carolyn
    October 8, 2012 at 6:14 pm

    Rev. Al is on fire tonight!

  20. 55 criquet
    October 8, 2012 at 6:15 pm

    For all those who mentioned the Pew Poll:

    • 56 hopefruit2
      October 8, 2012 at 6:40 pm

      Sorry but I don’t buy any poll that claims that PBO and Romney are tied with women voters. The only way Obama can erase a double digit lead among women in one day is if he gave Michelle a black eye or molested someone’s child. One debate is not going to erase a double digit lead – it’s just not humanly possible.

      • 57 prettyfoot58
        October 8, 2012 at 6:53 pm


        not gonna listen to anything…

        using some of the words of an old FREEDOM song!…


  21. October 8, 2012 at 6:17 pm

    Tuesday Oct. 9, 2012
    12:40 AM
    Obama delivers remarks at a campaign event at the Bill Graham Civic Auditorium in San Francisco, Calif.
    4:30 PM
    Michelle Obama speaks to grassroots supporters in Loudoun County, Va.
    7:30 PM
    Michelle Obama attends a campaign fundraising event in McLean, Va.

  22. 79 CEB
    October 8, 2012 at 6:34 pm

    I cannot understand why any woman other than Anne would vote for Romney. Look at the care, love and respect that PBO shows Mrs. Chavez in these photos and look at the expression on Delores Huerta’s face as she looks up at him (didn’t she receive an award at the White House recently in recognition of her service?). Rosario Dawson, the actress and others are just lit up in his presence. This is a man who walks the walk everyday of his life.

    • October 8, 2012 at 6:42 pm

      Mitt was overheard today stating, “Chavez?!?! He’s my valet!”

    • 81 jacquelineoboomer
      October 8, 2012 at 7:07 pm

      I’m not even sure Ann would vote for him, CEB, since she’s the one who accidentally let it slip that he might be emotionally unfit to sit in the White House (as if). Something in me says she knew what she was saying, but she forgot our media will hide as much of the warnings as slide out of her mouth.

      But you are so right about PBO!

    • 82 daisydem
      October 8, 2012 at 7:17 pm

      CEB: I scrolled down to say the exact same thing about Sra. Huerta’s expression; so everyone can see this right? Amazing isn’t it?

    • 83 anniebella
      October 8, 2012 at 7:35 pm

      Let us stop acting as the color of Mitt Romney’s skin isn’t playing a part as to his support. A big part. Mitt Romney is a bold face liar. And people know that but it does not matter, the only thing which matter to them is to get rid if that black man in the White House.

      • 84 Vicki Green
        October 8, 2012 at 7:52 pm

        Yes, Anniebella, there are people like that. But there are many more of us and we will keep PBO in office.

      • October 8, 2012 at 8:02 pm

        anniebella,you are so right but some don’t want to face it. But the world is watching the USA and its treatment of the men who save the economy, Who had OBL killed, who pass ObamaCare for it’s people. And they may ask, What’s the hell is wrong with America. If Mitt win, Racism beat out ObamaCare, OBL death, Economy that’s rebounding. Name one other President who ever did all this in his first term and the country look at it and says he failed. I can only think of one who is close, A. Lincoln. Why he failed: because he free the slaves. We have came a long way, but have a long way to go. Vote Obama/Biden and let’s move forward.

        • October 8, 2012 at 8:05 pm

          But the world is watching the USA and its treatment of the man who save the economy, Who had OBL killed, who pass ObamaCare for it’s people.

      • 87 kathryn kivett
        October 8, 2012 at 8:58 pm

        Anniebella, I too live in NC and I understand why you said what you did. I just want you to know that there are a lot of “white” people that love PBO as much as you do. My whole family, which is scattered over NC, adore him and are working hard to reelect PBO…..but…everyday I am exposed to “white” people who assume b/c I am white that “I’m with them” and express exactly what you said. These people know Romney is a liar, know they might lose their mortgage deduction, know THEIR CHILDREN MAY BE SENT TO WAR, know that women’s rights are threatened, know that medicare, medicaide, and SS probably will be threatened, know that the wealthy will be given more tax cuts and they will pay for them, know that their young adult child will lose health insurance on their policies, and know that THEY are the 47% that Romney called slackers but yet they intend to vote for him…..why you ask….b/c his skin is black…..it’s sad but true.

      • 88 Walking_on_ Sunshine
        October 8, 2012 at 11:48 pm

        You are partly right anniebella, it is helping him with some people but there are others who see the unfairness and know it is wrong. Most of the people in this mostly white state will vote for the President. I have noticed it is usually men who are soft in their support, not women. Don’t worry. We will win. I just had a conversation with my sister-in-law and we agreed that Mitt Romney is a bold faced liar. Actually our language was a bit more spicy than that. We are hopping mad and we and our kids will vote for the President. And so many of our friends and neighbors too. There will always be haters but there are many of us who slap them down when they do it.

    • 89 HZ
      October 9, 2012 at 12:16 am

      CEB, I came away with some of the same feelings as you did. I first noticed how lovingly POB held Mrs. Chavez hand in several photos. What deep respect for Mrs. Chavez and her age. I am sure he is always reminded of his loving grandmother during moments like this.

      His speech brought tears to my eyes, because I recall some of the hard work that Mr. Chavez did during my stay in Cali. Plus there is just something so beautiful about POB as he speaks about bringing us together and fighting for great causes. The respect that he has for all people. Very touching cememony.

      Yes, CEB, as I recall, Ms. Delores Huerta received the Presidential Medal of Freedom Award in that ceremony at the WH along with Toni Morrison, Pat Summit, Sec. Albright and others. I remembered that one vividly because of some of the photos shown later with Toni Morrison who is one of POB’s favorite writers and his favorite book, “Beloved.” And Ms. Huerta is a great supporter of POB. She had a similar look when she received her award at the WH. Beautiful memories.HZ

  23. 92 dotster3
    October 8, 2012 at 6:42 pm

  24. 93 prettyfoot58
    October 8, 2012 at 6:44 pm

    Oldie but Goodie…SlooooooooJam the News,,,

  25. October 8, 2012 at 6:47 pm

    This is my final comment on Pew.

    Pew is, in general, a very reputable pollster. That doesn’t mean it’s infallible. It has the GOP at +1 in party ID among registered voters. That’s nonsensical, as every other pollster attests. Put simply, they fucked up. Others have pointed out that Pew is very flexible with letting voter ID fluctuate. This will be shown as an outlier as other pollsters rush into the field to confirm or deny the poll.

    And, there’s this: Ari Fleischer—Bush’s press secy—said that, while tempting, Pew’s party ID seems implausible. Yes. Ari Fleischer.

    Now, for what everyone is waiting for: tonight’s menu:

    Roasted pork tenderloin with a garlic crust
    Sauteed Mediterranean vegetables
    Pasta with garlic and olive oil

    • October 8, 2012 at 7:07 pm

      Seems to me like Ryan was perfectly willing to respond to the comment, but his handlers ended the interview, not Ryan. He sounded remarkably reasonable in his rhetoric…the question was valid, though: You can do that by cutting taxes?

      • October 8, 2012 at 7:12 pm

        Yes. Ryan answered the question, his handlers ended it. The reporter asking whether cutting taxes will resolve crime problem is where it got interesting, but video doesnt really show Ryan in bad light

        • October 8, 2012 at 7:24 pm

          Really? He looked like another whining bully – just like his buddy. He’s a scumbag. Good for the reporter!

          • October 8, 2012 at 8:46 pm

            As a Wisconsinite, Dems have thought Ryan was a prissy little bully for a long time. And one who has not been seriously challenged. The boy who was awarded social security after his father died, and used it to get through college, is now against other people having such benefits. He worships Ayn Rand like an infatuated adolescent. Usually people become more realistic after they mature and face life challenges. Generally life humbles them. Not so with Ryan.

    • 108 Jeff
      October 8, 2012 at 7:11 pm

      lol Ryan sounded like his real self after he thought the camera was not rolling anymore: An asshole.

  26. 111 Linda
    October 8, 2012 at 6:54 pm

    What happened to the Big Scandal that was supposed to break today about foreign credit card donations ? Another dud from the right wing blogs ?

  27. 112 daisydem
    October 8, 2012 at 6:55 pm

    Oh my, look at the expression on Sra. Huerta’s face amigos as she gazes up at our el Presidente! Que buena! Her eyes say it all, verdad?

  28. 114 Gangerworld
    October 8, 2012 at 6:56 pm

    I’m a lurker, hello. I read a lot of what goes on here to get my news for the day. I’m kinda disturbed reading a lot of folks that don’t usually post (yeah yeah, I know, pot meet kettle) talking doom and gloom and other crap because of a couple of polls, so I felt compelled to come on and say: chill the fuck out. Jeez.

    So, like, I don’t know, if you feel the urge to panic because of one stinkin’ debate, instead put your head down and get to work, moving forward. Enough of the crap. That’s what cable news is for. I come here to avoid it, not to wade in it.

    Get a grip.


  29. 116 Don
    October 8, 2012 at 6:58 pm

    My menu for tonight:

    Broiled beef patty medium rare
    Sliced fresh vegetables
    Sautéed onions with a hint of sea salt
    Fresh bread roll sliced into halves
    Stick shaped potatoes exclusively flown in from Idaho

  30. 121 daisydem
    October 8, 2012 at 6:59 pm

    How funny, I have not listened to the tape you have posted of Ryan “getting testy.” I am really, really picking and choosing what/who I listen to these days (trying to stay on as even a keel as posible (the Chavez event has my espanol, limited though it might be – well it is not too limited, coming out which is a good thing actually) BUT, I digress: my point is I’d really like to see him get testy during his debate with Joe, “may I call you Joe,” Biden this week. Bwahahahahaha … cause I betcha nice guy Joe Biden would let him have it and he’d never see it coming!

    • 122 pkayden
      October 8, 2012 at 9:19 pm

      I have avoided any Ryan or Romney videos myself. Cannot stand either of them and don’t want to watch them unless I absolutely have to do so. Apart from having to watch them during the debates, I’ll watch when they lose on election night.

  31. 123 4morefor44
    October 8, 2012 at 7:06 pm

    looks like “why obama now” video will top 1,000,000 views later today, after being posted just three days ago. a lot of people seem to agree with the message that trickle-down economics doesn’t work. let’s keep spreading the word:

  32. October 8, 2012 at 7:09 pm

    Speaking of big right wing scandals…what ever came of those 1000 pastors who were going to break the law and stand up in front of their congregations and endorse Willard?

  33. October 8, 2012 at 7:14 pm

    My menu for tonight:
    Hot dogs and Mustard.

  34. 130 collegekay
    October 8, 2012 at 7:15 pm

    I’ll join in ..

    My menu for tonight:
    Ramen noodles.


  35. 137 Jeff
    October 8, 2012 at 7:19 pm

    I can’t believe it but I’ve been reading some disturbing articles about republicans in Arkansas defending slavery! Just wow… I can’t believe people would vote such disgusting people in office.

    • 138 EDP4BHO
      October 8, 2012 at 7:43 pm

      That jackass selling a book saying I should be grateful my ancestors were enslaved. He’s a spawn of satan.

  36. October 8, 2012 at 7:21 pm

  37. 141 nospin
    October 8, 2012 at 7:22 pm

    Our dinner menu for the night —
    Apple and Sage Pork Chops with caramelized onions
    Garlic mashed potatoes
    Fresh Vegetables

    Getting kinda cold. Felt like having comfort food

    • 142 EDP4BHO
      October 8, 2012 at 7:45 pm

      I love cooking in the fall. My Sunday meal was roasted chicken and mashed potatoes and gravy. Tonight it’s tacos. Yum yum !!

  38. 143 collegekay
    October 8, 2012 at 7:24 pm

    sidenote: I’ve lost so much weight during this campaign. I can’t wait until I can get back to normal.

  39. 145 desertflower
    October 8, 2012 at 7:25 pm

    Dinner for tonight…whatever they make:)

  40. 146 collegekay
    October 8, 2012 at 7:27 pm

    Is it true that the pew poll has Money’s black support at 50%? If that’s true, I know the poll is bullshit.

    • 147 anniebella
      October 8, 2012 at 8:07 pm

      50% of black votes, I hope someone answer your question collegekay about the pew poll, because if they said that then they stink like a stinking skunk.

      • 148 collegekay
        October 8, 2012 at 8:11 pm

        I took a look and it’s not the case. However, 50+ made up 70% of the poll with minorities only at 12%. In 2008, minorities made up 28%.

  41. 149 jacquelineoboomer
    October 8, 2012 at 7:28 pm

    Not sure if this one’s been shared here, yet:

  42. October 8, 2012 at 7:29 pm

    If MSNBainC fired Jonathan Capehart, I would be so elated, that I would run around the block in the buff.

    That is all!

  43. 151 xtine
    October 8, 2012 at 7:31 pm

    Muted Tweety. But beforehand, absolutely loved Mayor Nutter vs. Fineman vs. Tweety! Wherein Tweety had to admit & say that Nutter was all along callng him & rest of MSM out for NOT DOING THEIR JOBS. Hey, MSM,, like … Hello! Mayor Nutter was right on, fighting Dem.

    • 152 xtine
      October 8, 2012 at 7:33 pm

      Oh, & I just want to hug that little Boo in the first photo! He’s just simply adorable!

    • 153 jacquelineoboomer
      October 8, 2012 at 7:53 pm

      I love Mayor Nutter. And Chris would show respect for him, hopefully (didn’t watch), because Chris is an old Philly boy.

    • 154 anniebella
      October 8, 2012 at 8:04 pm

      I’m so glad someone has call Matthews and the other two bit pundits out for not doing their job. For not calling a liar a loser.

  44. 155 dudette9t9
    October 8, 2012 at 7:33 pm

    I’m flabbergasted… really!

  45. 159 lamh35
    October 8, 2012 at 7:34 pm

    For the comic book geeks here at TOD:

    FLOTUS Michelle Obama as Wonder Woman

    Up close pic of the drawing:

  46. October 8, 2012 at 7:40 pm

  47. 162 LunarSea
    October 8, 2012 at 7:41 pm

    Hey ChipsChica found a good birthday pic to add to your already massive arsenal

  48. 163 dotster3
    October 8, 2012 at 7:41 pm

    Bo’s Bday tomorrow. Chips better get baking. Let the flour and the milk bones fly!

  49. October 8, 2012 at 7:45 pm

    Our dinner tonight (in a few hours 🙂 )

    Wild Boar Ravioli in a tomato garlic infused Alfredo Sauce
    Length-wise slices of zucchini broiled with a sea salt, butter and tarragon topping
    A few slices of heirloom tomatoes

    2009 McCrea Cellers Syrah


  50. October 8, 2012 at 7:48 pm

    Why oh why, pray tell, are we allowing ourselves to be skilfully manipulated and punked by ‘them repugs’ and the msm, with their constant flaunting of the lies, the exaggerations and their obvious biases? Why? Why, people? The whole conversation today seemed to be about polls namely whose poll, which poll.. Aren’t polls merely samplings and the only poll that matters is THE POLL on 6/11? So what are we going to do if the polls say one thing in favour of Schittzoid Dumbney for the next month. Fight amongst ourselves daily as to who ,which pollster is + 2 or – 1,etc.. There are people who are doing this for us. ..let them!
    Enough is enough. Could we stop and focus on what we the people’s more productive narrative should be, because as far as I am concerned giving focus to anything or anyone expands it/them, therefore, we the people should be focusing on our candidate in a positive and steady manner via the social media spoting his achievements, goodness and essentialness for this election, otherwise we will lose the moment, because of getting distracted with ‘their’ narrative.

  51. 176 Cheryllou
    October 8, 2012 at 7:49 pm

    Since almost everyone is talking about dinner menu, here is mine

    macaroni pie
    stew pork
    red kidney beans
    cucumber and tomato

  52. October 8, 2012 at 7:49 pm


  53. October 8, 2012 at 7:49 pm

    Spouting his achievements,pardon me.

  54. October 8, 2012 at 7:53 pm

    Per Wisconsin Soap Box Blog:


    Tonight, after months and months of waiting, the film “As Goes Janesville” premiers on PBS’s Independent Lens. This is the documentary that brought us the (in)famous Scott Walker video about “divide and conquer” and will bring the story of Paul Ryan’s favorite hometown political football to a whole new audience. I have tried to not look at too many (if any) of the previews, but from everything I hear it is an excellent documentary that takes a look at what the realities are in Wisconsin during the Great Recession.

    A few links for you to view:


    Official Website:

    Janesville Gazette:

  55. 191 dotster3
    October 8, 2012 at 7:54 pm

    • 192 anniebella
      October 8, 2012 at 8:15 pm

      dotster3, explain to me what Nate Silver is saying here.

      • October 8, 2012 at 8:23 pm

        I believe this is his way of saying, “Move along, nothing to see here.”

      • October 8, 2012 at 8:28 pm

        His chance to win went from 21.6% to 24.4% because of the Pew poll – which oversampled Repubs and discounted those who vote Dem. Otherwise Romney’s “bounce” would be pretty much a thud. You ever seen a toddler try to dribble a ball?

      • 195 EricFive
        October 8, 2012 at 8:28 pm

        He is saying that if you leave out the questionable Pew poll, PBO’s reelection chances would remain unchanged at 78.4%. If you count the questionable Pew poll PBO’s chance of reelection drops to 75.6%. That Pew poll has some funky crosstabs (even the Washington Post’s pollster raised red flags).

  56. October 8, 2012 at 7:57 pm

  57. 201 hopefruit2
    October 8, 2012 at 7:58 pm

    LMAO – that infamous pew poll sample has 67% age 50 or older! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    • October 8, 2012 at 8:16 pm

      What’s it supposed to be?

      • 203 hopefruit2
        October 8, 2012 at 8:31 pm

        Just for reference, in 2008, voters age 50+ made up 43% of the total electorate.

        So the fact that PEW now has voters age 50+ at 67% is a serious methodological flaw.

    • 204 EricFive
      October 8, 2012 at 8:21 pm

      They “tailored” that poll to give the MSM headlines of proof Mitt’s big comeback. Why tinker with the GOP-weight of the poll in such a drastic manner that even the Washingon Post’s pollster is raising red flags? As HF points out why have 67% of those polled be 50 and above? The MSM wants to create the IMPRESSION that Mitt is an acceptable candidate, trying to play people like they are sheep. Please recognize the game being played and keep your spirits up. As a rule of thumb, always check the crosstabs of both positive and negative polls (or wait for an analysis from a trusted source like JeffersonObama).

      • 205 Obama Grandmama
        October 8, 2012 at 8:41 pm

        With the previous voter suppression, the voting machine potential problems, and the lying to the voters and defense by the press, I worry manipulated polls could be an attempt to bring Romney close enough so voting going Mitt’s way would not seem suspicious. i pray I am just being paranoid.

    • 206 Lovepolitics2008
      October 8, 2012 at 8:25 pm

      I don’t understand why a pollster who has a good reputation would publish a poll with such a flawed sample !!??

  58. October 8, 2012 at 8:01 pm

    Ok, it seems like I started something. So, a bit more information.

    My pork is right now marinating in olive oil, soy sauce, and black pepper. Simple marinade, but delish.

    I’m enjoying an unpretentious red table wine right now.

    The veggies are from Fresh & Easy. I adore that place. (The pork is from there as well. And when out of a whim I did a search on where else their stores were located, I found 2 or 3 were in the hood! So the poorer citizens of L.A. have access to good quality food.)

    And I changed from pasta to mashed taters.

    Carry on.

  59. 213 collegekay
    October 8, 2012 at 8:02 pm

    Seems that Sully is having another meltdown. The liberal pundits are the only ones freaking out. It’s maddening.

    Can’t wait until next week for the town hall debate.

    • 214 anniebella
      October 8, 2012 at 8:13 pm

      I’m sick of the liberal pundits, and I really do mean that. Dam sick of them.

    • October 8, 2012 at 8:15 pm

      Just to clarify, Sully is not in the least a liberal. He is a Republican who sometimes has a brain. His emo meltdown on this is CERTIFIABLE.

      • October 8, 2012 at 8:16 pm

        You don’t say that you’re trying to boost morale and than say PBO doesn’t care about winning. Disgusting BS. This is not a game!

      • 217 anniebella
        October 8, 2012 at 8:30 pm

        meta, Well I am still sick of the liberal pundits, and I am sick of people like Sully too.

      • 218 99ts
        October 8, 2012 at 9:03 pm

        Stop reading Sully – his benefits from the first term of President Obama are much more than money could ever buy – and he has made much money – also too – yet he attacks him the minute something happens that Sully disagrees with. He reads and reports much from right wing pundits – he likes them and their rat face ideas – all the time.

        He loves President Clinton – wonder what is different between the two???

    • 220 Gangerworld
      October 8, 2012 at 8:44 pm

      Sullivan keeps calling it an “implosion”. I’m sorry, but the only one imploding here is Andrew Sullivan.

      It’s kind of gross. I feel bad for the guy. In about a month he’s gonna keep talking like he’s some grand genius, but unless he does some serious site-scrubbing, he’s gonna be cemented in history as perhaps the biggest and oldest pants-wetter in the history of the internet.

  60. 221 dudette9t9
    October 8, 2012 at 8:03 pm

    This why your vote is precious!

  61. 222 dotster3
    October 8, 2012 at 8:03 pm

    • October 8, 2012 at 8:13 pm

      Who works for PEW? dick Morris?

    • 226 Lovepolitics2008
      October 8, 2012 at 8:27 pm

      Hope that Sully sees Jeff’s tweets.

      • 227 EricFive
        October 8, 2012 at 8:43 pm

        He is a drama queen. Let’s face it, since the Supreme Court upheld Obamacare, this campaign has gone very smoothly. Mitt had gaffe after gaffe and PBO just kept going forward. Some of PBO’s “supporters” got spoiled. Some were waiting for the 1st sign of trouble for the chance to make some noise and get some attention. The MSM wants us to believe the debate was a game changer. That explains this Pew poll with the funky crosstabs. I’m sure the onslaught of propaganda that followed the debate gave Mitt a little bump, but nothing to warrant the level of chicken littlism I am seeing today. There are two other Presidential debates and one VP debate. Acting like one debate “performance” is the end all be all is INSANE. Mitt will fuck up again soon. He can’t help it if his history is any indication.

  62. 228 lamh35
    October 8, 2012 at 8:06 pm

    Just got back from seeing a movie and happy hour with a friend. After catching up on what I missed this last 1/2 an hour, I’m glad I did get out the house and away from the intertubes.

    Saw Looper today. I think I liked it. I really don’t know. It’s weird. The movie ended and I was like huh. That was good. I guess I appreciated the way it ended, I think.

    I’m not sure how I felt about it, but I think that people should definitely see it…if that makes sense.

    Anyway, have a good night guys. I’m out. I have 2 more days left on my 7 off and I’m probably gonna be offline until then.

  63. October 8, 2012 at 8:07 pm

    Heads up ….

  64. October 8, 2012 at 8:11 pm

    Tuesday Oct. 9, 2012
    12:40 AM
    Obama delivers remarks at a campaign event at the Bill Graham Civic Auditorium in San Francisco, Calif.
    12:25 PM
    Obama departs San Francisco, Ca.
    4:20 PM
    Obama arrives in Columbus, Ohio.
    4:30 PM
    Michelle Obama speaks to grassroots supporters in Loudoun County, Va.
    5:00 PM
    Obama delivers remarks at a campaign event at Ohio State University in Columbus, Ohio.
    7:15 PM
    Obama departs Columbus, Ohio.
    7:30 PM
    Michelle Obama attends a campaign fundraising event in McLean, Va.
    8:25 PM
    Obama arrives at Joint Base Andrews.
    8:40 PM
    Obama arrives at the White House.

  65. 232 dotster3
    October 8, 2012 at 8:11 pm

    Weirder and weirder as details become known. Fishy-er and fishy-er also.

  66. October 8, 2012 at 8:18 pm

    Ok, this should be a rule: men’s suit jacket lapels SHOULD NOT HAVE 4 BUTTONHOLES!!! Wow. That’s just awful.

    (Watching TBS as we await the Oriole-Yankee game to start.)

  67. October 8, 2012 at 8:19 pm

    found this post.
    Why is a person who lives on disability, a republican?

    An acquaintance of mine lives on disability because she has MS. She’s been posting all sorts of repug crap – the same stuff you hear from Rush and the other repugs, like Obama cooked the job numbers – on facebook for all her friends to see. I finally had enough and posted something rude (like “shut up”) and of course I was de-friended.

    Don’t people who depend on things like disability, and other benefits, realize they support the party that sees programs like that, as evil socialism? Even more, Ryan said he does not believe in “altruism”. Didn’t she hear about the Romney comments on entitlement for 47%? Is there a parallel universe out there? Am I dreaming? How can anyone be so stupid? (e.g. they vote against their own economic self interest). ARGH!!!!!

    I don’t know who said this originally but it seems true to me…

    The salient fact of American politics is that there are fifty to seventy million voters each of whom will volunteer to live, with his family, in a cardboard box under an overpass, and cook sparrows on an old curtain rod, if someone would only guarantee that the black, gay, Hispanic, liberal, whatever, in the next box over doesn’t even have a curtain rod, or a sparrow to put on it.

    • October 8, 2012 at 8:38 pm

      She thinks she deserves it while others don’t. Most people will tell you they deserve whatever assistance they get because they work hard and are not lazy. Their neighbor collecting the same benefits? Lazy bum.

    • 243 EDP4BHO
      October 8, 2012 at 8:43 pm

      Deep !! There really are people so filled with irrefutable hate- even though they cannot really tell you the reason- that they would vote against self interests. Except, I contend their greatest self interest is to hurt anyone who is different than they. They have very twisted souls, dun.

  68. 244 japa21
    October 8, 2012 at 8:19 pm

    Dinner tonight:

    Hot Dogs
    Costco potato chips
    Lienie’s Red Lager

    • October 8, 2012 at 8:22 pm

      Oh japa, come to Casa de LL. We’ll set you up.

    • 246 dudette9t9
      October 8, 2012 at 8:23 pm

      I’ll your Hot Dogs and raise you a bowl of Capn Crunch! 😀

    • October 8, 2012 at 8:24 pm

      Yum! 😆 I’m on my way!

      • 249 japa21
        October 8, 2012 at 8:28 pm

        I love me some hot dogs. Good dogs, like Vienna Beef or Hebrew National or Costco’s own brand. (Also love me some Costco). Besides, after donating to the President’s campaigns and as many Congressional campaigns as I could, hot dogs are about it. Which makes me wonder about those people who are having gourmet menus. Time to cough up some more dough for the Dems guys and gals. 😉

        • October 8, 2012 at 8:31 pm

          Oh, wifey gets paid Wednesday. I’m planning on a BIG contribution.

          And gourmet meals are a lot cheaper when you make them yourself. It’s amazing how much money you save when you cook instead of doing delivery or eating out. I’m cheap, but I also like good food. 😆

  69. October 8, 2012 at 8:22 pm

    Purdue sure has some cute Kitties!

  70. October 8, 2012 at 8:26 pm

  71. 254 dudette9t9
    October 8, 2012 at 8:27 pm

    Anybody watching the Tim Kaine/George Allen (VA Senate) debate? How’s Tim doing?

  72. October 8, 2012 at 8:27 pm

    Hey TODers, Just stopping in to share that I had a great time in Iowa this weekend canvassing. A group from my community has been making regular trips to Iowa from Illinois for the past few weekends. People were super friendly and responded overall very positively to our canvass. I decided last Friday to stay off social media and to stop watching Cable news for the next couple of weeks. From the sounds of things and the fact the trolls are popping up again, it appears that I made the right call. I always feel better when I am working on a ground anyway. Thanks Chips for continuing to offer a space of relative sanity on the web. I look forward to traveling to Iowa one more time before election day. Sending positive energy to all of you. Finally, I’d like to say that it appears that President Obama is on a fundraising trip out West for a couple of days. I’d like folks who are worried about daily polls to reflect on this. If the Campaign were panicking, would the President be in California today and tomorrow? Wouldn’t he be traveling like crazy, criss-crossing the swing states? Just something to think about…

  73. 259 dudette9t9
    October 8, 2012 at 8:28 pm

    Ha ha hahahahahaha!!!

  74. October 8, 2012 at 8:29 pm

    Just to warn everyone, PPP will have a new poll out for Markos showing Romney in the lead. So it’ll be another 24 hours of this shit. The trackers will be the things to watch.

    • 262 hopefruit2
      October 8, 2012 at 8:55 pm

      From what I understand, this PPP poll was also based on polling taken on Thursday and Friday. PPP could have released their poll yesterday or Sat. I’m not sure why they waited until tomorrow. Are they trying to drag this thing out to get kicks? Is this a ratings grab for the liberal and conservative media alike? They all seem to be thoroughly enjoying the whole thing while some people are freaking out.

      I also notice that the Obama camp doesn’t seem the least bit perturbed by any of this. They must be following their internal polling which tells them that the reported polls are BS.

  75. 263 LunarSea
    October 8, 2012 at 8:29 pm

    this has been tweeted 110 times already

  76. October 8, 2012 at 8:29 pm

  77. 265 dotster3
    October 8, 2012 at 8:34 pm

    I hope there’s not more than 1 or 2 “Obama supporters” like this one, whom Joy Reid is addressing. Amazing that these kind of people exist. Non-thinkers. There are no words, really.

    • 266 Kadijo
      October 8, 2012 at 8:42 pm

      I am thinking somebody is being renumerated. This is b.s. to the highest level. I am thinking mitten is usindg the same technique they are using on ‘liberal’ radio stations, but on twitter.

    • 267 anniebella
      October 8, 2012 at 8:43 pm

      Stupid ass people, this proves all the fools aren’t on the right wing side. My hope and prayer is that “F” like this is just letting off steam. POTUS will make a comeback in the next debate, count on it.

    • October 8, 2012 at 8:45 pm

      Tweeted to him that there is absolutely no logic in his statement.

    • 269 Margie James
      October 8, 2012 at 9:22 pm

      He’s not gonna vote because he didn’t like the debate? Damn!, this has got to be some of the dumbest shyt I have ever read. Sometimes the electorate scares me more than Mittens does.

    • October 8, 2012 at 9:36 pm

      Hey Kwabena, that’s your decision. We really don’t care to know, but on the other hand seeing that you plan to not use your voice through voting, how’s about not using it through tweeting your whingeings! Honestly, I refuse to indulge all these individuals with their ‘damn fool stupidness’!

  78. October 8, 2012 at 8:42 pm

  79. 273 criquet
    October 8, 2012 at 8:43 pm

    This is the type of support Dems should be giving:

  80. 277 LunarSea
    October 8, 2012 at 8:45 pm

    there have been 3 posts on TOD today and on each one massive amounts of freak out over polls and the debate. Any thugs happening by here would be laughing their asses off at the bedlam.

    I’d say damage has been done whether ppl here want to believe it or not. And I know a lot won’t want to believe it.

    Checking back out for a few days. Thanks again ChipsChica for all you do. ((((hugs all around))))

  81. 279 hopefruit2
    October 8, 2012 at 8:46 pm

  82. 280 dudette9t9
    October 8, 2012 at 8:55 pm

    Wow, I JUST LOVE OUR TEAM! The Obama Campaign is soooooo on the ball!

    I typically just block any RWer drivel that happens to make its way into my Twitter TL. This one lady from AZ isn’t a follower of me, but apparently a tweet or two of mine came to her attention, so she’s felt the need to send me her BS. One of her mssives had a link to a video about some “bombshell” coming out from Washington Examiner (RW rag) “exposing the Obama campaign as accepting foreign contributions.” I got curious and looked it.

    Went right over to http://www.BarackObama.com, under “Get The Facts” I went to the The Truth Team page, filled in the Report An Attack form, giving them a link to the youtube video. Did another form with a link to the Washington Examiner article.

    Guess what? They’ve already got a response up on the Truth Team blog:


  83. October 8, 2012 at 9:50 pm

    My dinner: Chinese restaurant near school after working late. Hot and Sour Soup, Kung Pao chicken, egg roll.. Yum!

  84. 283 Walking_on_ Sunshine
    October 9, 2012 at 12:06 am

    I don’t care about the polls or the debates or the pundits. I just watched the speech that the President gave at the Chavez monument and I know he is the only person fit to be President. Turn off the news. It’s a circus of distraction and most people are not watching it anyway.

  85. October 9, 2012 at 1:22 am

    Long time reader, first time poster.
    Thank you to all for the calming thoughts regarding the Pew poll. I stopped in at the Laramie Wyoming OFA office tonight for some cheering up. The volunteers there basically told me the same thing–polls aren’t true indicators of what’s out there. They also told me that this campaign has the best ground game ever (EVER). I think that’s what he was saying basically.
    Anyway, I read Andrew Sullivan’s post and would have to agree with the comments above regarding how he’s sort of losing it. In fact, I’m not sure I’ll continue visiting his blog–WAY too depressing.
    I will tell you I have a pit in my stomach again. It was there until sometime last week (pre-debate) when I had heard that President O was ahead in 9 swing states, with commanding leads. Then the debate (we were driving home from vacation and both husband and myself were yelling at the car radio while dear 5 year old daughter wondered what on earth was up) and then hearing all the numbers being so wacky for Romney and I’m back to the feeling I had when the whole country was ga-ga over Sarah Palin.
    I know. Calm down. Don’t pay attention to what the media is doing (they want a horse-race, neck and neck cause then they get the ratings and something to blather on about). Trust President Obama. But man, the thought of Romney winning the election makes me completely nauseous.
    Thanks for listening all. I love this site, all of your comments and the general good feeling it engenders.

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