Good morning all. What saddens me is that people still think that being a bully makes u fit to be a leader. Obama won on substance. Romney was pathological.
Let’s see how this plays out going forward. The President now has a string of lies to come back on Romney next time. Hopefully there will also be a strong moderator who will have better control of the format.
That is what I was saying all last night, I asked the question since when did style become more important than truth, specially with the media. With all of us really.
I have not slept one bit since last night. I read just about everything written on the last page. Boy……..I was shocked to see some that I respect using some verbiages that really scared me. So when I am that perturbed, my late mother taught me to keep mute. So I kept silent.
Please one thing, let Us not attack people for their thoughts, especially if we all have the same goal.
I said here many days ago that it all depends what pres Obama showed up. He went for not correcting whatever Romney was saying. OK. It is done. We have to get going and defeat Romney in Nov. If every time our expectations of pres Obama is not what we wanted, some are quick to dump on him. He is not an item one pays at on sale and returns after some use. So please let’s get going. Pres Obama never gives up so, we shout NOT either.
You’re absolutely right Nena. The folks I was on Skype with and texting across the country, actually turned off the debate 1/2 way through it. I wonder how many others did the same thing. They were just disgusted with the lack of moderation and Romney’s obnoxiousness. Listen, I was completely ready for the media to give romney miles and miles of leeway and PBO, well NO consideration. I do recall during the primaries and the election, when Obama wasn’t aggressive enough, folks just freaked out. What happened? Just like Ali, PBO eventually knocked them the fuck out. I’m not worried for ONE SECOND. Romney might have fired up the base but there is one thing Romney will never be able to lie about: the sun. You know what’s cool about the sun? It rises and sets every day. The sun set on this round but the sun rose this morning and will shine a glaring light on the REAL Mitt Romney.
Morning Jovie, the NYT editorial just about sums it up for me, although this line – “Mr. Obama’s competitive edge from 2008 clearly dulled” – is ridiculous.
Not from MSNBainC, they are just awful. Now, it seems, liberals and moderates have no place to go for their side of the story. Sadly!
But, I agree with your assessment.
Also, the President should have something to say About the facts today.
There was NO moderation at all last night. Romney was determined to dominate the stage, but he appeared manic to me,almost frantic. The President was trying to stick to the format and Romney just ignored all that and frantically stepped on the rules, lying all the way.
Goodmorning TODers! I thought the President was great. And I loved the reaction lines from Colorado women. They agreed with POTUS and not with Robme. The men were the opposite. I just took a look @ the Peoples View. According to Deaniac83 the CNN poll internals show they did not poll anyone non-white, under 50, liberal and living outside of the South. Wow. Here’s the linky:
Isn’t Tommy Thompson the former governor of WI, the candidate running for senator of WI, and the former Bush advisor whose on tape saying he can kill Medicare and Medicaid… If this is the person Robney needs to be linked to him for the rest of this election.
Nancy Pelosi once said the dems will win because of MEDICARE, MEDICARE, MEDICARE..
Lastly, I need a million children’s march to save Big Bird and Elmo since robney’s big idea is to get rid of PBS..
Anna Luc, I agree with you. Romney was acting like a crazed person willing to say anything to score and I’d be willing to bet most women watching saw his performance for what it was. Women have been there before. Our job isn’t to sulk. It’s to renew our commitment to go out there and get people to vote. Our response to anyone who thinks that Romney did well is to laugh at his manic performance. Our goal is to be relentless in the next few weeks, making sure that everyone knows who’s telling the truth and working on their behalf and who isn’t. If you’ll notice Robney did not dispute the “voucher” Medicare concept and he promoted the voucher idea for schools, all right wing positions that are anathema to seniors and parents of school children. He tried to put a gloss on himself, but he is still a right winger and he’s still the enemy of every woman in the United States.
Cristie just said that Robney scored knockout, no pushback just ass kissing his ring.
Cristie should go on Nutri Slim Ads, instead of Jessica Simpson. Just sayin.
Oh yeah, well we will see if this so called knock out punch changes Mitts trajectory in the swing states. We know he want’s the Big Three to go Bankrupt here in Michigan, so he can do away with our unions.
It will all depend on how quick We counter what would be the narrative. Most Americans are easily persuadable by pundits. The Obama camp needs to step up and forcefully and firmly counter what the media will be doing from now on. They want a race. And you watch Maher and Moore will be booked everywhere to spout some more. Maher does it to tick the Obama team off. Moore does it for fame and joy of sticking it to Obama team.
The President did a great job which is a great deal more than I can say for the media. President Obama’s numbers will remain strong and Romney will be exposed. How does one debate a man who changes his policies hour to hour , minute by minute. I read this website daily and Professor Wang is brilliant.
Post-debate reaction
October 3rd, 2012, 10:33pm by Sam Wang http://election.princeton.edu/
I watched the first presidential debate last night. I was hurt by one thing the most- Everyone one, even the commentators, still expect that Obama has to be the stereotypical angry black man. They expect him to be someone that he is not. In this country, we define winners by those who are loud, aggressive and bullies. Maybe we need to change our definition.
Last night Mitt Romney was pathological and instead of stating the obvious that he was lying, the commentary has been focused on that the President Obama did not call him on his lies.
I support President Obama because he is honest with me, considers me, and he understands from personal experience where I am at. He doesn’t have to shout and carry on. He has to do his best everyday even for an ungrateful nation.
I think it’s time to change our definition of what it means to be a leader. Obama is a leader.
Good morning, I didn’t watch the debate I was at church but I’ve read the reactions. President Obama the Commander in Chief for the next 5 years and a gentleman always. I’m going with Gergen, President Obama was surprised by Romney’s LIES. Apparently Romney didn’t read Psalm 101:7. God is not going to let Romney win the Presidency, no way, no how.
Actually I’ve seen Axelrod , Gibbs, Cutter,Plouffe and others on since the debate ended last night. They’ve all been calm, and in some cases conceding that it could have gone better, but giving up no ground. Hopefully our side will pull up and not pummel our candidate the way the right did after their convention and the release of the 47% tape.
I am also hoping the campaign will reconsider the use of John Kerry as the President’s debate partner. I do not recall that Kerry was an especially compelling debater. I always thought he was kind of FLAT, and the bar for him was pretty low –he was debating GEORGE W. Yet he barely won those debates (I think he lost a couple of them) .
Why is our President sparring with someone who didn’t respond to being swiftboated.
He was not unprepared last night, as you seem to be implying. Do you think that PBO really FORGOT that it was Mitt Romney who said let Detroit go bankrupt? Do you believe that PBO really FORGOT that Mitt dismissed the 47%? Do you believe that PBO really FORGOT that Romney changes his answer to every issue at least 50 times in one week? Do you really believe that PBO forgot that the Republicans decided from day 1 that their biggest goal was to make him a one-term President?
I’m getting to the point where there is really no excuse for the constant second-guessing of this man, his campaign and what he’s about.
i agree with you that he did not forget any of that but i am trying to understand the strategy of not bringing it front and center……what was the game plan for last night..
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I have grown so weary of this meme of the Angry Black Man…
The game plan I presume is to allow Mitt to “pivot” to center on national stage which you saw last night and wait for him to go out and say the exact opposite things in his rallies until the next debate. Pre-debate rallies that Mitt held so far had these themes: Anti-regulation, tax cuts for the upper income etc etc. He virtually backpedaled on those issues on stage last night by agreeing with the Prez. Neither the Obama team nor I would be surprised if Mitt goes back to those right-wing approved talking points again in his rallies about how there’s too much regulation or cut the deficit by cutting taxes for the top 3%… The task is for the media to highlight his debate positions vs ones from his rallies. I imagine Obama WILL call him out In the next debate about his contradictory positions. I hope so.
We know he didn’t forget about it, but everybody whats to know why didn’t PBO hold Romney accountable for his lies, why didn’t he called him out on it or give any pushback…that’s what the debates are for. Sadly, The 47% comment, and all his other unfortunante comments wasn’t brought to the light…
He did pushback! He just wasn’t a bully like Romney.
Besides, Romney told so many lies last night that it’s going to take more than Obama and his campaign to deal with them all.
I’ve watched a few POTUS debates in my time and I’ve never seen a candidate lie has much as Mitt Romney. And sadly, it takes more energy to repute the lies than it does to tell them.
If Obama had spent most of the time refuting Romney’s lies then he wouldn’t had time to express his own ideas. Obama will fight back, but he will be methodically and strategic in his approach.
As mitt was telling lie after lie after…I was thinking that PBO don’t have time to refute the lies and tell his truth, too. Maybe it wouldn’t have been so bad if the moderator had shown up.
Towards the end of the debate I had to get up and start cleaning around the kitchen. Couldn’t stand to watch any more. Was very disappointed that PBO appeared so disengaged. Slept very little.
This morning I asked my husband his opinion. Didn’t dare last night. He was a Republican until he turned about 40 — and we started traveling to Laltin America. That is when he began to see U.S. (Reagan) policies from the other side…..
His opinion: The president had to remain dignified.
Lovely…I figured that’s what the real numbers look like. All that mess that Romney did last night was wake up the base a bit. His campaign cannot be turned around after a 1.5 hour performance. Again…Obama is playing chess. I mean look at Obama’s body language last night. He’s never stood like that before, giving the impression that he’s unsure or ready to bolt out the door. Either something happened in the family behind the scenes or he laying another brilliant trap. I mean, remember what this man has faced with a spine of steel:
1. The BP oil spill
2. Hurricanes, tornadoes, etc.
3. The West Virginia mining disaster
4. Healthcare
5. The debt ceiling
6. Osama Bin Laden
7. The attacks in Libya
8. Ghaddafi
9. Addresses to Congress and State of the Unions
10. And on and on…
Let the other side thump their chest today or as my grandmother used to say, ‘keep on talkin…’ It’s all good…We’re alright yall.
Halperin says, that the Presidents rhetorical skill are over rated and in the spin Room right after debate, the Obama Surrogates were not there.
He is making shit up, it’s the media who is going for the knockout punch!
Wow! MSNBainC is totally over the top reporting.– Worst debate ever for a Democrat??? Whatever!
That was Joe Cheating Scarborough. He is for Romney. He dislikes pres Obama. Having a 3 hour show to spout Rightwing talking points is what Scarborough.
My take, someone who lies and slips out of his positions and deny’s them 33 days before the election DID. NOT. WIN. THE. DEBATE! My disappointment was more with many supposed Democratic or Obama voters. What the hell was wrong with you? Romney lies to you straight to your face, yet you give him the win because he acted “aggressive” and like the “alpha male”. I gotta tell you, I’m afraid about some of your sex lives. Some of you would say the sex was good only because the man or the woman was loud, no matter that endowment size was lied about or it lasted three minutes. NO!!! It was great because he or she was loud and smack my behind hard for those three minutes!
Romney was like a souped up sandwich with a hermetically bagged piece of fart as the sandwich meat. Last night, people thought the sandwich was delicious, although it smelled like the worst rip your Granddaddy let out. It was sad last night and I have never seen so many so called Obama supporters turn into whiny bitches in an hour and thirty minutes. If people all of a sudden trust Romney with the presidency thirty days out with him greasing himself up with earl shine, doing an etch-a-sketch, and abandoning every policy position out of fear of not standing up to scrutiny, then we deserve everything coming in four years.
You think a man was a strong debater when he lied to you worse than any man on the television show Cheaters, Maury, or Entertainment Tonight, then were fucked as a nation. Seriously. We elected Bush and Schwartzenegger to elected office, yet the media loved them, so its ok they love Mitt this morning. Fuckin hell, were stupid. Were just dumb I guess. Eight years of Republican lies and hell wasn’t enough. We need four more I guess.
Also, Pres Obama is always measured on a different scale. Had he attacked, it would have been that the pres was beating up on Romney. He didn’t attack, then they say that pres Obama thinks that he is beneath Romney. All the pres should have done was to defend his record and called out the lies with facts. Unfortunately he didn’t do that enough. I hope that he does next time.
I don’t think PBO is afraid to attack Romney for fear of being called angry or whatever. He has called out people in debates before, and I think he will do it when the time is right. I think he allowed Romney to spew his recital of talking points that he had crammed over the weekend. When the ads start coming out and Romney is challenged, watch him try to backpedal in the next debate. That’s how PBO is going to destroy Romney. Not by wasting precious debate time calling each and everyone of his lies at the time he says it, because that would be too distracting and PBO would never get any of his own points across.
PBO’s record does not need “defending.” He’s been talking about his record for months now – which is why he has at least a 5 pt solid national lead in the polls, and as much as double digit-leads in some key swing states. At this point his record is no longer abstract – it’s REAL. Ask the MI workers who’s jobs were saved because of PBO’s rescue of the auto industry. Ask the millions of Americans who now have affordable health insurance, or the people who can now go to school because pell grants. These people don’t need to see PBO attacking Romney in a debate to convince them of how his policies have worked for them. How come all of us here, including the media folks at MSNBC KNEW that Romney was lying?
I agree with you. But it is still hard to watch Romney tell lies after lies and he had the temerity to call the president a liar in at least 10 different ways, including using his 5 boys to do it. I get your points. I do agree. I have faith in pres Obama. So I will dust off my shoulders and move on.
Thank you hopefruit2. The President has plans and we will see them unfold over the next few weeks. He cannot be the angy black man, he cannot show disrespect to the moderator and he cannot tell lies because that’s not who he is, that’s not how he was raised.
Money can’t buy class and Romney has no class. The smirk on his face was telling. He is a know-it-all who knows nothing. People like him you don’t debate. You let them spew their hate and lies and you stick to facts.
The President will be okay. He has us. And no weapon formed against him shall prosper and everything works together for the good for those that loves Him. Keep the President in your prayers, light your candle, stroke your rosary beads, talk to Budda, Allah or the image that you worship. Prayer works.
That debate was for the media. the media don’t know what to do about fact checking, because Mitt told so many lies. Obama team have lots, lots of stuff from Mitt. Obama is smart, He wanted mitt to be the talk of the media, if the media don’t go after mitt lies, Obama team will and they will make the media look more bias the every. Clinton and Joe have more Information to take to the white men who is on the fence. The other race of peoples and white women have his back even if he fall on his face. Obama meant to loose this one. I believe Obama play his cards right last night. We know as an Obama supporter that he is too smooth to look weak, so if he look weak as some will say, it because that’s what he wanted to do so chill the F. out
About a month ago, Lawrence O’Donnell was so adamant and determined to call out the moderators and put them on notice if they allowed Romney to get away with lies. Yet last night there was NO discussion on MSNBC about Lehrer’s dismal performance. No dissection of Mitt Romney’s lies. It was all about beating up on President Obama.
These pundiots childishly and foolishly got bamboozled by Romney’s canned recital of LIES, and decided that a better use of their (and our) time was to spend hrs attacking the only adult in the room, the honest, serious candidate, and the person who actually spoke to the American people as if we were intelligent rational human beings who were alive for the past 4 years.
CNN pushed their biased snap poll sample and presented it as if it were a representative national sample. Ditto for CBS. And a few of us here bought the garbage that CNN and the rest of the media was selling.
From what I have read about pres Obama, he doesn’t like to loose, not even to a lying bishop as Romney. I am with pres Obama. And I believe that he would make adjustments.
I would recommend that quite a few of us take a break from MSM & PL if you can. I am going cold turkey. Not listening to talk radio u til after the eelection…especially Schultz and Currentv. I will wait to see what Randi has to say.. I am so tired of giving my hard earned money and ratings to people who freak out over and over again. They are really not on my side and do not have the PBO’s back. When are we gong to see PBO as he is and not some fictional character?
If those who support pres Obama can’t be critical at times, then what good are their friendship? No body died. Pres Obama is steady and I have every confidence that since he reads the NY times, perhaps, he would make the right changes needed.
The President is not small minded, he is not just a politican he is a strategist. Time and time again the President is the ONE still stand and the others are flat on their behinds, scratching their heads looking up at the President, wondering what the hell is going on. I will criticize the President when it is warranted, not just because the loud unkowning media is criticizing the President.
NBC and Today Show are disgusting. Big Win for Romney, Obama off his game, changed presidential race. Gregory says Romney the “clear winner”, going on and on, game changer. Todd is on now, saying the most disgusting things ever, saying “not the gift Obama was looking for on his 20th anniversary”, and on and on. They’re almost saying Romney wins the election. I’m looking for the balloon drop. Absolutely horrific, partisan reporting. They look excited and thrilled. Sick!!!
HAHAHA! Let them enjoy their fool’s gold for now. We’ve got the real thing, and on Nov 6, we will be the ones doing the partying. 🙂 🙂
While they’re blabbing their yappers and getting their Mittgasms, people have been going to the polls and VOTING, knocking on doors, making phone calls, registering DEM voters, etc.
I just sent a email to the Today show. And I asked them, shouldn’t the truth matter also. If it does then why didn’t Mitt Romney tell it? It is clear the truth doesn’t matter to the media like the GOP mouthpiece Chuck Todd and David Gregory. And the Today show. If your candidate is a liar he can look like a million bucks, but he still will be a loser in my book because truth does matter to me. I rather have someone who will speak the truth. And that isn’t Mitt Romney. Or the Today show.
Good early morning TOD. As for anyone who used a harsh tone against the head-banging (they know who they are)- GOOD on you. I was disheartened by all the “disappointed”, “weak”, “he won’t make it”, etc. etc. blah blah blah. No need to apologize for standing up to it. If the head bangers stand by their stance, do likewise. After all, this is supposed to be a democracy- right? I surely hope PBO would not be as “disappointed” in his sup(posed)porters as I was last night, were he to check out this diary. Carry on. PBO will brush off his shoulders and remain the gentleman he is. In that sense, he IS not one of us, and I am proud of him for that.
Thank GOD President Obama “IS NOT one of us, and I am proud of him for that” too…this is why I voted for him in 2008 and why I will vote for him in 2012!
That’s excellent and I highly recommend anyone still worried about the outcome of this debate read this. The undecideds didn’t like Romney, but they’re still largely undecided.
What bothers me the most is the number of Obama supporters/Dems who were willing to abandon him and join the critical chorus almost immediately. There were certainly plenty of reasons to back President Obama—–his calm, smart, truthful answers—–and reasons to attack Romney instead—–his sudden change in almost every position, all the dishonest responses, the refusal to provide any real details other than killing Big Bird, a laughable moment if there ever was one. President Obama needs ALL of us to have his back. I thought it was a shameful reaction by the political left.
That bothers me a lot, and it really shows some people’s true colors. They want him to perform as if he were their damn puppet. The man has his own strategy and timing. We’ve seen this movie before.
Indeed dotster. Turncoats all. Criticism is criticism, but when you say your guy was “weak”- excuse me, but one is not a true supporter when one parrots the haters; they are conditional at best. I’m not disappointed at PBO for being better than that piece of shit up on stage with him. Probably had to hold his nose.
If PBO went on a rageful attack against all of the lies Mitt was telling there was no exact way for him to prove Mitt was lying and it would have taken him off message as well as presented him as not being Presidential. He would not have been able to lay his own plans out to a wider audience. These debates are set up to be fact checked the following day which to me is not a good set-up for giving an audience the truthful knowledge they need to make a decision.
Thank you, dotster3. I saw this starting up in the chat away thread, about 15 minutes after the debate closed, and from people who should know better that to plant a seed like that. So, I went to bed. Donated nearly $100 yesterday, throughout the day and after the debate. If it’s money that will help get rid of this pestilence called Myth Robney, so be it, money it is. I’m having my first day off in weeks and weeks, and don’t think I’ll hang here much if it’s all about last night. The sun is shining, there is work to do. love ya all, back later.
{{{{{{Chips}}}}} Hey, VC, I might take lunch out on the bistro in the beautiful autumn air! {{{{{{VC}}}}}}
Mitt R. didn’t do shit. But look like the fool he is. Let them spin this debate however they see fit. But we know PBO, what he is capable of. Just sit back and watch PBO knock the smirk off their smugs faces in next two debates. Calm down people PBO got this. Let these fools laugh and be excited for Mitt. Because he was set up big time. You all will see.
I think PBO’s strategy was to play possum and to give Romney as much rope to hang himself.
When the honeymoon is over for Romney this week and they really start fact checking his BS they’ll be singing a different tune.
1) Regarding moderators for the next Presidential debates; Lehrer’s reputation as a good moderator is now trashed. Having seen what happened last night, I believe that Candy Crowley and Bob Schieffer will be EXTRA diligent about not being taken advantage of in their respective debates. Crowley especially (who is the first female Presidential debate moderator) will not want to be branded as a pushover and not strong enough to handle the nominees conduct.
2) Strategically, the President allowed Romney to hang himself on his fact-less-ness, therefore giving the President’s campaign more fodder. Just the Voucher admission alone is worth a 60 second spot.
3) I agree that the President had far more to lose by being the angry black man, than by being a calm statesman and Presidential.
4) This “Romney is back” meme we’ll hear for the next few days will likely energize the Presidents supporters. No possibility of complacency here.
I have to admit I did not watch even one minute of the debate. I’ve just been reading reviews here and there.
There are so few “undecideds” left up for grabs, by all accounts it seems that both nominees managed to change exactly NOTHING with their performances last night.
Forward….
The crowd has weighed in: President Barack Obama’s chances of reelection dropped 7 percentage points on InTrade after Wednesday’s first presidential debate, but he remains a strong favorite on the predictions site.
While one can doubt the wisdom of this particular crowd, InTrade bettors gave Obama a 74 percent chance of winning reelection at 7 a.m. Wednesday. On Thursday morning, the president had a 67 percent chance of winning.
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So the president has a 67% chance if winning and that is supposedly good news for Robney? Really?
“Stop it! Just stop !. Mitt is just being Mitt. This is fun when you can stand next to the President of the United States and lie, lie, lie to the American people and the POTUS stand there and give Mitten more rope, more rope, and more rope.
President Obama showed up to debate not to defend a liar. Come on, we know POB. POB follows rules, and he surely is NOT a rude bully person. I love my president and will vote for him and he is afterall, The President! Moving FORWARD.
President has a disdain for this type of a person. President is NOT about Drama. Let the msm go on with the drama. I am going with President Obama.
The chattering classes built this debate up like the second coming, and then “gave” it to Romney because PBO didn’t turn into the Angry Black Man. Did our President miss some zingers of his own – yes, but Romney had the most to lose if he didn’t perform his lying act. MSNBC appeared suicidal (big disappointment), but its ONE DAMN debate, guys.
Obama White House.gov
The Obama Diary 
My president was awesome last night
Heck yes he freaking was.
Good morning all. What saddens me is that people still think that being a bully makes u fit to be a leader. Obama won on substance. Romney was pathological.
He did not have to lie to win. I agree he should have call Romney on some of his bs. Romney is such a disgusting liar
Let’s see how this plays out going forward. The President now has a string of lies to come back on Romney next time. Hopefully there will also be a strong moderator who will have better control of the format.
Morning everyone!!
Full speed ahead, we have a President to re-elect !! 🙂 .
Morning. Still fired up and ready to GO (plus TV TURNED OFF!!)
Yeah no Cable news for me (except Rev. Al) for the next couple weeks.
Me too!
🙂 TV TURNED OFF. Nice.
This!
Finally. Did all the door banging wake you up, Chips ?
To TOD’ers, tch, tch, tch.
😆 You know amk, I thought my eyes were malfunctioning when I saw ‘743 comments’. I’m thinking we might need three internets for election night.
That friggin’ al gore. 🙂
GM chips.
Ha! I’ll email Al right now and see if he can invent two more internetz for us, I’m guessing we’ll need a new post every 14 seconds on election night.
A good morning to you, mister – and any other early birds fluttering about.
The media doesn’t care about the truth, they have a story to tell.
We knew the MSM was going to say Mitt won the first debate no matter what. So why are so many people freaking out now?
Amen to that statement Margie James !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That is what I was saying all last night, I asked the question since when did style become more important than truth, specially with the media. With all of us really.
Facts be damned!
LA times has called Mitt out already, but we know cable news will not do their jobs. I have been tweeting it to news stations
This one is about continuing to repeat erroneous lies about health care bill From LA times
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-fact-check-romney-healthcare-20121003,0,5148610.story
This one is fact checking Romney tax claim from LA times
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-fact-check-debate-romney-tax-20121003,0,3813713.story
the last one is from PolitiFact about Tax claim
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/may/08/barack-obama/barack-obama-says-mitt-romneys-tax-plan-gives-mill/
The cable noise makers will also fall in line once their hardon has worn off. Just wait.
I agree with you amk, but in the meantime I will just hang out here. They are just nasty!
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I have not slept one bit since last night. I read just about everything written on the last page. Boy……..I was shocked to see some that I respect using some verbiages that really scared me. So when I am that perturbed, my late mother taught me to keep mute. So I kept silent.
Please one thing, let Us not attack people for their thoughts, especially if we all have the same goal.
I said here many days ago that it all depends what pres Obama showed up. He went for not correcting whatever Romney was saying. OK. It is done. We have to get going and defeat Romney in Nov. If every time our expectations of pres Obama is not what we wanted, some are quick to dump on him. He is not an item one pays at on sale and returns after some use. So please let’s get going. Pres Obama never gives up so, we shout NOT either.
You’re absolutely right Nena. The folks I was on Skype with and texting across the country, actually turned off the debate 1/2 way through it. I wonder how many others did the same thing. They were just disgusted with the lack of moderation and Romney’s obnoxiousness. Listen, I was completely ready for the media to give romney miles and miles of leeway and PBO, well NO consideration. I do recall during the primaries and the election, when Obama wasn’t aggressive enough, folks just freaked out. What happened? Just like Ali, PBO eventually knocked them the fuck out. I’m not worried for ONE SECOND. Romney might have fired up the base but there is one thing Romney will never be able to lie about: the sun. You know what’s cool about the sun? It rises and sets every day. The sun set on this round but the sun rose this morning and will shine a glaring light on the REAL Mitt Romney.
We should Not either. Sorry about the error.
Chips,
I think we would all be interested in your take on the Presidents performance?
Morning Jovie, the NYT editorial just about sums it up for me, although this line – “Mr. Obama’s competitive edge from 2008 clearly dulled” – is ridiculous.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/04/opinion/an-unhelpful-presidential-debate.html?hp
My only frustration last night was that Romney was allowed repeatedly lie – I’m looking forward to some serious pushback today.
Not from MSNBainC, they are just awful. Now, it seems, liberals and moderates have no place to go for their side of the story. Sadly!
But, I agree with your assessment.
Also, the President should have something to say About the facts today.
Looking foward to his speeches today Jovie –
12:05: President Obama delivers remarks at a campaign event at Sloan’s Lake Park, Denver, Colo.
4:40: Delivers remarks at a campaign event at the University of Wisconsin-Madison.
Will have the full schedule in Rise and Shine after a while.
I can’t wait to see POTUS.
Jim Leher was perhaps great 20 yrs ago but he should now just stay in his lane…
There was NO moderation at all last night. Romney was determined to dominate the stage, but he appeared manic to me,almost frantic. The President was trying to stick to the format and Romney just ignored all that and frantically stepped on the rules, lying all the way.
Mr. Leher did not do his job at all.
How Jim Lehrer Lost The Debate
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2012/10/04/how-jim-lehrer-lost-the-debate/190336
Jim Lehrer never had to deal with bullies before now.
2 rallies today for the President and one for Joe.
Be interested to know how they talk about the debate.
Goodmorning TODers! I thought the President was great. And I loved the reaction lines from Colorado women. They agreed with POTUS and not with Robme. The men were the opposite. I just took a look @ the Peoples View. According to Deaniac83 the CNN poll internals show they did not poll anyone non-white, under 50, liberal and living outside of the South. Wow. Here’s the linky:
http://www.thepeoplesview.net/2012/10/cnns-debate-polling-tracks-only-pre.html
Isn’t Tommy Thompson the former governor of WI, the candidate running for senator of WI, and the former Bush advisor whose on tape saying he can kill Medicare and Medicaid… If this is the person Robney needs to be linked to him for the rest of this election.
Nancy Pelosi once said the dems will win because of MEDICARE, MEDICARE, MEDICARE..
Lastly, I need a million children’s march to save Big Bird and Elmo since robney’s big idea is to get rid of PBS..
Anna Luc, I agree with you. Romney was acting like a crazed person willing to say anything to score and I’d be willing to bet most women watching saw his performance for what it was. Women have been there before. Our job isn’t to sulk. It’s to renew our commitment to go out there and get people to vote. Our response to anyone who thinks that Romney did well is to laugh at his manic performance. Our goal is to be relentless in the next few weeks, making sure that everyone knows who’s telling the truth and working on their behalf and who isn’t. If you’ll notice Robney did not dispute the “voucher” Medicare concept and he promoted the voucher idea for schools, all right wing positions that are anathema to seniors and parents of school children. He tried to put a gloss on himself, but he is still a right winger and he’s still the enemy of every woman in the United States.
TeaNN fixed their poll. I have a feeling they all did. Didn’t we expect the media to pull this. It was talked about here all last week.
Cristie just said that Robney scored knockout, no pushback just ass kissing his ring.
Cristie should go on Nutri Slim Ads, instead of Jessica Simpson. Just sayin.
Oh yeah, well we will see if this so called knock out punch changes Mitts trajectory in the swing states. We know he want’s the Big Three to go Bankrupt here in Michigan, so he can do away with our unions.
It will all depend on how quick We counter what would be the narrative. Most Americans are easily persuadable by pundits. The Obama camp needs to step up and forcefully and firmly counter what the media will be doing from now on. They want a race. And you watch Maher and Moore will be booked everywhere to spout some more. Maher does it to tick the Obama team off. Moore does it for fame and joy of sticking it to Obama team.
Im glad I’m not the only one who couldn’t sleep last night.
The President did a great job which is a great deal more than I can say for the media. President Obama’s numbers will remain strong and Romney will be exposed. How does one debate a man who changes his policies hour to hour , minute by minute. I read this website daily and Professor Wang is brilliant.
Post-debate reaction
October 3rd, 2012, 10:33pm by Sam Wang http://election.princeton.edu/
I don’t want no stinking Medicare voucher for me nor my mother because I will be bankrupt..
I know that right, Mittens can take that voucher and shove it.
This is where I am this morning……..
I watched the first presidential debate last night. I was hurt by one thing the most- Everyone one, even the commentators, still expect that Obama has to be the stereotypical angry black man. They expect him to be someone that he is not. In this country, we define winners by those who are loud, aggressive and bullies. Maybe we need to change our definition.
Last night Mitt Romney was pathological and instead of stating the obvious that he was lying, the commentary has been focused on that the President Obama did not call him on his lies.
I support President Obama because he is honest with me, considers me, and he understands from personal experience where I am at. He doesn’t have to shout and carry on. He has to do his best everyday even for an ungrateful nation.
I think it’s time to change our definition of what it means to be a leader. Obama is a leader.
In this country, we define winners by those who are loud, aggressive and bullies. Maybe we need to change our definition.
Amen.
AMK….THE PRESIDENT’S REACTIONS WERE INTENTIONAL….:)….STAY TUNED BECAUSE ROMNEY’S DAMAGE TO HIMSELF WILL SHINE LIKE A SUNLAMP ON A COCKROACH!
Mariele K., right on, right on, right on (in my Barry White voice)!
Good morning, I didn’t watch the debate I was at church but I’ve read the reactions. President Obama the Commander in Chief for the next 5 years and a gentleman always. I’m going with Gergen, President Obama was surprised by Romney’s LIES. Apparently Romney didn’t read Psalm 101:7. God is not going to let Romney win the Presidency, no way, no how.
No one who practices deceit will dwell in my house; no one who speaks falsely will stand in my presence. Psalm 101:7
The Presidents surrogates are not on tv this morning, Panicking. But, I do see Robney supporters on every channel.
I think that is very telling!
Actually I’ve seen Axelrod , Gibbs, Cutter,Plouffe and others on since the debate ended last night. They’ve all been calm, and in some cases conceding that it could have gone better, but giving up no ground. Hopefully our side will pull up and not pummel our candidate the way the right did after their convention and the release of the 47% tape.
I am also hoping the campaign will reconsider the use of John Kerry as the President’s debate partner. I do not recall that Kerry was an especially compelling debater. I always thought he was kind of FLAT, and the bar for him was pretty low –he was debating GEORGE W. Yet he barely won those debates (I think he lost a couple of them) .
Why is our President sparring with someone who didn’t respond to being swiftboated.
“Why is our President sparring with someone who didn’t respond to being swiftboated.”
Very good question.
Being from MA, Kerry knows RMoney.
And, this isn’t the same Kerry from 2004. Did you see him at the DNC in Charlotte a few weeks ago?
To those who were offended by my harsh tone y’day, sorry about that. Heat of the moment etc. etc.
Nothing to apologize for…..you did it with Love, sir. Let Us go get them in Nov.
Yes, let us. I want a clean sweep of the board, WH & both houses.
min/smh
Where is my milk ?
Oi, I’m busy Rising and Shining – geddit yerself:
But, but you promised me my
ponymilk ???Sheesh. Go on then, here’s yer pony:
Daisy can’t understand why all that hand-wringing! Daisy sez that PBO will be just fine. 🙂
G’morning Lady Chips – hope you were able to get a few hrs sleep last night 🙂
I thought it was funny, of course, usually everybody is yelling at me, so, their is that!
Kerry beat Bush on style too. The Incumbent is President, and has to act accordingly. Thus, debates should favor Robney…
I hope President Obama has more time to prep before the next debate.
He was not unprepared last night, as you seem to be implying. Do you think that PBO really FORGOT that it was Mitt Romney who said let Detroit go bankrupt? Do you believe that PBO really FORGOT that Mitt dismissed the 47%? Do you believe that PBO really FORGOT that Romney changes his answer to every issue at least 50 times in one week? Do you really believe that PBO forgot that the Republicans decided from day 1 that their biggest goal was to make him a one-term President?
I’m getting to the point where there is really no excuse for the constant second-guessing of this man, his campaign and what he’s about.
GM HF….GM TOD GM MsChipsssssss….
HF…
i agree with you that he did not forget any of that but i am trying to understand the strategy of not bringing it front and center……what was the game plan for last night..
and
I have grown so weary of this meme of the Angry Black Man…
The game plan I presume is to allow Mitt to “pivot” to center on national stage which you saw last night and wait for him to go out and say the exact opposite things in his rallies until the next debate. Pre-debate rallies that Mitt held so far had these themes: Anti-regulation, tax cuts for the upper income etc etc. He virtually backpedaled on those issues on stage last night by agreeing with the Prez. Neither the Obama team nor I would be surprised if Mitt goes back to those right-wing approved talking points again in his rallies about how there’s too much regulation or cut the deficit by cutting taxes for the top 3%… The task is for the media to highlight his debate positions vs ones from his rallies. I imagine Obama WILL call him out In the next debate about his contradictory positions. I hope so.
We know he didn’t forget about it, but everybody whats to know why didn’t PBO hold Romney accountable for his lies, why didn’t he called him out on it or give any pushback…that’s what the debates are for. Sadly, The 47% comment, and all his other unfortunante comments wasn’t brought to the light…
He did pushback! He just wasn’t a bully like Romney.
Besides, Romney told so many lies last night that it’s going to take more than Obama and his campaign to deal with them all.
I’ve watched a few POTUS debates in my time and I’ve never seen a candidate lie has much as Mitt Romney. And sadly, it takes more energy to repute the lies than it does to tell them.
If Obama had spent most of the time refuting Romney’s lies then he wouldn’t had time to express his own ideas. Obama will fight back, but he will be methodically and strategic in his approach.
As mitt was telling lie after lie after…I was thinking that PBO don’t have time to refute the lies and tell his truth, too. Maybe it wouldn’t have been so bad if the moderator had shown up.
I’m more worried about Mitt Steamrolling Candy Crawler.
Towards the end of the debate I had to get up and start cleaning around the kitchen. Couldn’t stand to watch any more. Was very disappointed that PBO appeared so disengaged. Slept very little.
This morning I asked my husband his opinion. Didn’t dare last night. He was a Republican until he turned about 40 — and we started traveling to Laltin America. That is when he began to see U.S. (Reagan) policies from the other side…..
His opinion: The president had to remain dignified.
criquet, thank you for posting that link. LOVE IT!
BAM! Right there!
Sorry, good morning all. Something to bring a little cheer.
Thanks for that poll. It definitely cheered me up. I didn’t watch the debates–was too nervous.
Lovely…I figured that’s what the real numbers look like. All that mess that Romney did last night was wake up the base a bit. His campaign cannot be turned around after a 1.5 hour performance. Again…Obama is playing chess. I mean look at Obama’s body language last night. He’s never stood like that before, giving the impression that he’s unsure or ready to bolt out the door. Either something happened in the family behind the scenes or he laying another brilliant trap. I mean, remember what this man has faced with a spine of steel:
1. The BP oil spill
2. Hurricanes, tornadoes, etc.
3. The West Virginia mining disaster
4. Healthcare
5. The debt ceiling
6. Osama Bin Laden
7. The attacks in Libya
8. Ghaddafi
9. Addresses to Congress and State of the Unions
10. And on and on…
Let the other side thump their chest today or as my grandmother used to say, ‘keep on talkin…’ It’s all good…We’re alright yall.
Halperin says, that the Presidents rhetorical skill are over rated and in the spin Room right after debate, the Obama Surrogates were not there.
He is making shit up, it’s the media who is going for the knockout punch!
Wow! MSNBainC is totally over the top reporting.– Worst debate ever for a Democrat??? Whatever!
Jovie, as I tweeted a couple of hours before the debate:
That was Joe Cheating Scarborough. He is for Romney. He dislikes pres Obama. Having a 3 hour show to spout Rightwing talking points is what Scarborough.
My take, someone who lies and slips out of his positions and deny’s them 33 days before the election DID. NOT. WIN. THE. DEBATE! My disappointment was more with many supposed Democratic or Obama voters. What the hell was wrong with you? Romney lies to you straight to your face, yet you give him the win because he acted “aggressive” and like the “alpha male”. I gotta tell you, I’m afraid about some of your sex lives. Some of you would say the sex was good only because the man or the woman was loud, no matter that endowment size was lied about or it lasted three minutes. NO!!! It was great because he or she was loud and smack my behind hard for those three minutes!
Romney was like a souped up sandwich with a hermetically bagged piece of fart as the sandwich meat. Last night, people thought the sandwich was delicious, although it smelled like the worst rip your Granddaddy let out. It was sad last night and I have never seen so many so called Obama supporters turn into whiny bitches in an hour and thirty minutes. If people all of a sudden trust Romney with the presidency thirty days out with him greasing himself up with earl shine, doing an etch-a-sketch, and abandoning every policy position out of fear of not standing up to scrutiny, then we deserve everything coming in four years.
You think a man was a strong debater when he lied to you worse than any man on the television show Cheaters, Maury, or Entertainment Tonight, then were fucked as a nation. Seriously. We elected Bush and Schwartzenegger to elected office, yet the media loved them, so its ok they love Mitt this morning. Fuckin hell, were stupid. Were just dumb I guess. Eight years of Republican lies and hell wasn’t enough. We need four more I guess.
Also, Pres Obama is always measured on a different scale. Had he attacked, it would have been that the pres was beating up on Romney. He didn’t attack, then they say that pres Obama thinks that he is beneath Romney. All the pres should have done was to defend his record and called out the lies with facts. Unfortunately he didn’t do that enough. I hope that he does next time.
I don’t think PBO is afraid to attack Romney for fear of being called angry or whatever. He has called out people in debates before, and I think he will do it when the time is right. I think he allowed Romney to spew his recital of talking points that he had crammed over the weekend. When the ads start coming out and Romney is challenged, watch him try to backpedal in the next debate. That’s how PBO is going to destroy Romney. Not by wasting precious debate time calling each and everyone of his lies at the time he says it, because that would be too distracting and PBO would never get any of his own points across.
PBO’s record does not need “defending.” He’s been talking about his record for months now – which is why he has at least a 5 pt solid national lead in the polls, and as much as double digit-leads in some key swing states. At this point his record is no longer abstract – it’s REAL. Ask the MI workers who’s jobs were saved because of PBO’s rescue of the auto industry. Ask the millions of Americans who now have affordable health insurance, or the people who can now go to school because pell grants. These people don’t need to see PBO attacking Romney in a debate to convince them of how his policies have worked for them. How come all of us here, including the media folks at MSNBC KNEW that Romney was lying?
I agree with you. But it is still hard to watch Romney tell lies after lies and he had the temerity to call the president a liar in at least 10 different ways, including using his 5 boys to do it. I get your points. I do agree. I have faith in pres Obama. So I will dust off my shoulders and move on.
Thank you hopefruit2. The President has plans and we will see them unfold over the next few weeks. He cannot be the angy black man, he cannot show disrespect to the moderator and he cannot tell lies because that’s not who he is, that’s not how he was raised.
Money can’t buy class and Romney has no class. The smirk on his face was telling. He is a know-it-all who knows nothing. People like him you don’t debate. You let them spew their hate and lies and you stick to facts.
The President will be okay. He has us. And no weapon formed against him shall prosper and everything works together for the good for those that loves Him. Keep the President in your prayers, light your candle, stroke your rosary beads, talk to Budda, Allah or the image that you worship. Prayer works.
But he DID call Romney out on Medicare, taxes, shipping jobs overseas, and the ACA. Did not everyone hear his zingers? Smh 😦
This Facebook visual from PBO shared over 200,000 times! (hope you can link to it)
That debate was for the media. the media don’t know what to do about fact checking, because Mitt told so many lies. Obama team have lots, lots of stuff from Mitt. Obama is smart, He wanted mitt to be the talk of the media, if the media don’t go after mitt lies, Obama team will and they will make the media look more bias the every. Clinton and Joe have more Information to take to the white men who is on the fence. The other race of peoples and white women have his back even if he fall on his face. Obama meant to loose this one. I believe Obama play his cards right last night. We know as an Obama supporter that he is too smooth to look weak, so if he look weak as some will say, it because that’s what he wanted to do so chill the F. out
You are 100% right dun.
About a month ago, Lawrence O’Donnell was so adamant and determined to call out the moderators and put them on notice if they allowed Romney to get away with lies. Yet last night there was NO discussion on MSNBC about Lehrer’s dismal performance. No dissection of Mitt Romney’s lies. It was all about beating up on President Obama.
These pundiots childishly and foolishly got bamboozled by Romney’s canned recital of LIES, and decided that a better use of their (and our) time was to spend hrs attacking the only adult in the room, the honest, serious candidate, and the person who actually spoke to the American people as if we were intelligent rational human beings who were alive for the past 4 years.
CNN pushed their biased snap poll sample and presented it as if it were a representative national sample. Ditto for CBS. And a few of us here bought the garbage that CNN and the rest of the media was selling.
Rachel Maddow called Lehere out and said that he failed.
From what I have read about pres Obama, he doesn’t like to loose, not even to a lying bishop as Romney. I am with pres Obama. And I believe that he would make adjustments.
Yes, yes, yes…
I would recommend that quite a few of us take a break from MSM & PL if you can. I am going cold turkey. Not listening to talk radio u til after the eelection…especially Schultz and Currentv. I will wait to see what Randi has to say.. I am so tired of giving my hard earned money and ratings to people who freak out over and over again. They are really not on my side and do not have the PBO’s back. When are we gong to see PBO as he is and not some fictional character?
“When are we gong to see PBO as he is and not some fictional character?”
Only in a more civilized society, auntsis !
If those who support pres Obama can’t be critical at times, then what good are their friendship? No body died. Pres Obama is steady and I have every confidence that since he reads the NY times, perhaps, he would make the right changes needed.
Yes, critical worked really well in2010. “Lets not vote. Let’smake him pay” was their battle cry. That worked really well for us!!
No it was not criticism when one Only calls out one’s side and is mute on the other. It is Not a night and day thing.
Please lets not over simplify it.
The President is not small minded, he is not just a politican he is a strategist. Time and time again the President is the ONE still stand and the others are flat on their behinds, scratching their heads looking up at the President, wondering what the hell is going on. I will criticize the President when it is warranted, not just because the loud unkowning media is criticizing the President.
Here, here!
NBC and Today Show are disgusting. Big Win for Romney, Obama off his game, changed presidential race. Gregory says Romney the “clear winner”, going on and on, game changer. Todd is on now, saying the most disgusting things ever, saying “not the gift Obama was looking for on his 20th anniversary”, and on and on. They’re almost saying Romney wins the election. I’m looking for the balloon drop. Absolutely horrific, partisan reporting. They look excited and thrilled. Sick!!!
HAHAHA! Let them enjoy their fool’s gold for now. We’ve got the real thing, and on Nov 6, we will be the ones doing the partying. 🙂 🙂
While they’re blabbing their yappers and getting their Mittgasms, people have been going to the polls and VOTING, knocking on doors, making phone calls, registering DEM voters, etc.
I just sent a email to the Today show. And I asked them, shouldn’t the truth matter also. If it does then why didn’t Mitt Romney tell it? It is clear the truth doesn’t matter to the media like the GOP mouthpiece Chuck Todd and David Gregory. And the Today show. If your candidate is a liar he can look like a million bucks, but he still will be a loser in my book because truth does matter to me. I rather have someone who will speak the truth. And that isn’t Mitt Romney. Or the Today show.
They have been give directives from their bosses…the GOP!
A poll worth reading
http://www.prioritiesusaaction.org/blog/2012-10-research-memo-results-of-dial-group-session-in-auror#.UG1nX_fq8SU.twitter
Good early morning TOD. As for anyone who used a harsh tone against the head-banging (they know who they are)- GOOD on you. I was disheartened by all the “disappointed”, “weak”, “he won’t make it”, etc. etc. blah blah blah. No need to apologize for standing up to it. If the head bangers stand by their stance, do likewise. After all, this is supposed to be a democracy- right? I surely hope PBO would not be as “disappointed” in his sup(posed)porters as I was last night, were he to check out this diary. Carry on. PBO will brush off his shoulders and remain the gentleman he is. In that sense, he IS not one of us, and I am proud of him for that.
Thank GOD President Obama “IS NOT one of us, and I am proud of him for that” too…this is why I voted for him in 2008 and why I will vote for him in 2012!
A poll worth reading and sharing
http://www.prioritiesusaaction.org/blog/2012-10-research-memo-results-of-dial-group-session-in-auror#.UG1nX_fq8SU.twitter
thx WiW! 😀
That’s excellent and I highly recommend anyone still worried about the outcome of this debate read this. The undecideds didn’t like Romney, but they’re still largely undecided.
https://twitter.com/Mattison/status/253823412680667136
Steve Gelder @SteveGelder
Mitt told Jim Lehrer he liked him & he would fire him if elected, with a smile on his face. And that’s how Bain Capital made money. #debate
I bet we will be seeing tweets about heartless Mitt Romney telling “Big Bird” – YOU’RE FIRED!
Right on Steve.
Amen Mr. Harvey. Amen.
What bothers me the most is the number of Obama supporters/Dems who were willing to abandon him and join the critical chorus almost immediately. There were certainly plenty of reasons to back President Obama—–his calm, smart, truthful answers—–and reasons to attack Romney instead—–his sudden change in almost every position, all the dishonest responses, the refusal to provide any real details other than killing Big Bird, a laughable moment if there ever was one. President Obama needs ALL of us to have his back. I thought it was a shameful reaction by the political left.
Amen – as Deval Patrick so eloquently stated at the convention, its time for Democrats to grow a backbone and stand up for what we believe.
I believe in this President and I believe he will win re-election, and I will do whatever it takes to make that happen.
We all need to develop “campaign calluses”, and toughen up here.
That bothers me a lot, and it really shows some people’s true colors. They want him to perform as if he were their damn puppet. The man has his own strategy and timing. We’ve seen this movie before.
The triumph of style over substance
http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2012/10/04/14219336-the-triumph-of-style-over-substance?lite
Indeed dotster. Turncoats all. Criticism is criticism, but when you say your guy was “weak”- excuse me, but one is not a true supporter when one parrots the haters; they are conditional at best. I’m not disappointed at PBO for being better than that piece of shit up on stage with him. Probably had to hold his nose.
If PBO went on a rageful attack against all of the lies Mitt was telling there was no exact way for him to prove Mitt was lying and it would have taken him off message as well as presented him as not being Presidential. He would not have been able to lay his own plans out to a wider audience. These debates are set up to be fact checked the following day which to me is not a good set-up for giving an audience the truthful knowledge they need to make a decision.
Thank you, dotster3. I saw this starting up in the chat away thread, about 15 minutes after the debate closed, and from people who should know better that to plant a seed like that. So, I went to bed. Donated nearly $100 yesterday, throughout the day and after the debate. If it’s money that will help get rid of this pestilence called Myth Robney, so be it, money it is. I’m having my first day off in weeks and weeks, and don’t think I’ll hang here much if it’s all about last night. The sun is shining, there is work to do. love ya all, back later.
{{{{{{Chips}}}}} Hey, VC, I might take lunch out on the bistro in the beautiful autumn air! {{{{{{VC}}}}}}
Great ad. Tweeted.
It sure is good. It fits nicely into what OFA has been saying all along: Robme is a lying liar who lies.
Mitt R. didn’t do shit. But look like the fool he is. Let them spin this debate however they see fit. But we know PBO, what he is capable of. Just sit back and watch PBO knock the smirk off their smugs faces in next two debates. Calm down people PBO got this. Let these fools laugh and be excited for Mitt. Because he was set up big time. You all will see.
Exactly DIVASMOM. I’m not sure why it’s so difficult for some to recognize this.
I think PBO’s strategy was to play possum and to give Romney as much rope to hang himself.
When the honeymoon is over for Romney this week and they really start fact checking his BS they’ll be singing a different tune.
But that’s just my view.
I am not going 2 watch MSNBainC if they are Not going to call out the lies of Robney!
That was part of the debate and MSNBainC is ignoring that!
Morning again everyone:
http://theobamadiary.com/2012/10/04/rise-and-shine-316/
A few thoughts…
1) Regarding moderators for the next Presidential debates; Lehrer’s reputation as a good moderator is now trashed. Having seen what happened last night, I believe that Candy Crowley and Bob Schieffer will be EXTRA diligent about not being taken advantage of in their respective debates. Crowley especially (who is the first female Presidential debate moderator) will not want to be branded as a pushover and not strong enough to handle the nominees conduct.
2) Strategically, the President allowed Romney to hang himself on his fact-less-ness, therefore giving the President’s campaign more fodder. Just the Voucher admission alone is worth a 60 second spot.
3) I agree that the President had far more to lose by being the angry black man, than by being a calm statesman and Presidential.
4) This “Romney is back” meme we’ll hear for the next few days will likely energize the Presidents supporters. No possibility of complacency here.
I have to admit I did not watch even one minute of the debate. I’ve just been reading reviews here and there.
There are so few “undecideds” left up for grabs, by all accounts it seems that both nominees managed to change exactly NOTHING with their performances last night.
Forward….
Obama/Biden 2012
Totally agree – I did watch in spots. I could not take Romney’s smirking face any more. Lerher was a total bust. We cannot let one debate get us down.
The crowd has weighed in: President Barack Obama’s chances of reelection dropped 7 percentage points on InTrade after Wednesday’s first presidential debate, but he remains a strong favorite on the predictions site.
While one can doubt the wisdom of this particular crowd, InTrade bettors gave Obama a 74 percent chance of winning reelection at 7 a.m. Wednesday. On Thursday morning, the president had a 67 percent chance of winning.
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So the president has a 67% chance if winning and that is supposedly good news for Robney? Really?
“Stop it! Just stop !. Mitt is just being Mitt. This is fun when you can stand next to the President of the United States and lie, lie, lie to the American people and the POTUS stand there and give Mitten more rope, more rope, and more rope.
President Obama showed up to debate not to defend a liar. Come on, we know POB. POB follows rules, and he surely is NOT a rude bully person. I love my president and will vote for him and he is afterall, The President! Moving FORWARD.
President has a disdain for this type of a person. President is NOT about Drama. Let the msm go on with the drama. I am going with President Obama.
Thank you HZ. You hit the nail right on the head.. We will go on, march to victory!
The chattering classes built this debate up like the second coming, and then “gave” it to Romney because PBO didn’t turn into the Angry Black Man. Did our President miss some zingers of his own – yes, but Romney had the most to lose if he didn’t perform his lying act. MSNBC appeared suicidal (big disappointment), but its ONE DAMN debate, guys.