Heads Up: President Obama in Wisconsin

4:30 (approx – it might start early): President Obama delivers remarks at a campaign event at the University of Wisconsin-Madison

C-Span * WKOW * CBS 1 * CBS 2 * CNN

Streaming has started at WKOW (thanks JER)

Look at the crowd!!!!!!




306 Responses to “Heads Up: President Obama in Wisconsin”

  1. 1 Rita
    October 4, 2012 at 4:01 pm

    It’s a beautiful morning… day!!

  2. October 4, 2012 at 4:04 pm

    Re-post from bottom of last thread. BECAUSE IT’S AWESOME.

  3. 13 PoliticalJunkessa
    October 4, 2012 at 4:04 pm

    Chips, thanks for keeping the wheels turning and the engine roaring — just like PBO. ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥

  4. 14 xtine
    October 4, 2012 at 4:07 pm

    Ignored and with a campaign in complete shambles at home, Hoekstra takes it on the road – to Israel

    Down in the polls by 16 points against Senator Debbie Stabenow and rapidly running out of both time and money, Pete Hoekstra took his failed campaign overseas last weekend. To Israel.

    More here: http://www.eclectablog.com/2012/10/ignored-and-with-a-campaign-in-complete-shambles-at-home-hoekstra-takes-it-on-the-road-to-israel.html

  5. October 4, 2012 at 4:07 pm

    Tally, in case you didn’t see it, left a comment for you at the bottom of the other thread – great assessment, as always!!


    Yes We Can

  6. 19 vcprezofan2
    October 4, 2012 at 4:07 pm

    Good chance to see and hear you again so soon, Mr. President! I’ll be listening.

  7. October 4, 2012 at 4:09 pm

    Ann Romney to guest-host ‘Good Morning America’
    For the 100 time its Obama vs the media the republican party thugs

  8. October 4, 2012 at 4:09 pm

    • 26 Nena20409
      October 4, 2012 at 4:33 pm

      TeaNN that reported on this so many times……I wonder Time being part of CNN, did Anderson Cooper who was obsessed about this ever reported this Time report?

  9. October 4, 2012 at 4:11 pm

    How do you “win” a debate telling nothing much lies? That’s like saying a well put together 4-course meal of SHIT tastes good?

    • 28 Nena20409
      October 4, 2012 at 4:16 pm

      Very simple…..we don’t have a media. Romney has lied more than any presidential candidate in modern history. The media savaged Al Gore in 2000…for having said he had invented the Internet……Gore never said such things. Wolf Blizter confirmed last year on CNN. The media savaged Kerry in 2004 for he voted for it before he voted against it.

      But with Willard and Ann Romney, the 98% of DC/NY media make excuses for them time after time.

    • 29 Tally
      October 4, 2012 at 5:02 pm

      How do you debate jello? Hell, it’s hard even having a conversation with someone who contradicts themselves in the same frakkin sentence.

  10. October 4, 2012 at 4:12 pm


  11. 35 Rita
    October 4, 2012 at 4:13 pm


    Love, love, love this!

    “Barack Obama won last night’s debate. Or to be more precise, Mitt Romney lost it.
    That’s obviously not the conventional view of the commentators or pollsters, who gave the GOP candidate a clear win. But that doesn’t matter. He still lost.
    There are three reasons why Romney experienced a soft implosion of his already tenuous electoral chances. First, there was no “gotcha moment”. Before the debate every political analyst, be they from the Left or Right, agreed that Romney had to land a knockout blow, which he didn’t.
    There was no major presidential gaffe. No glancing at watches, sighing or claiming there has never been any soviet domination of eastern Europe. Crucially, in the new media age, there was no YouTube moment. In fact, the one single moment I suspect most voters will remember from the debate was Barack Obama sending his wife Michelle greetings on their wedding anniversary.
    The second problem for Romney was that while he failed to land a knockout blow, he kept piling into him. He was aggressive, too aggressive.”

    Read on…

    • 36 Rita
      October 4, 2012 at 4:19 pm

      • 37 Walking_on_ Sunshine
        October 4, 2012 at 8:01 pm

        Thanks Rita. Came home from work bummed out. This really helped put things in perspective.

    • October 4, 2012 at 4:40 pm

      I needed this! Thanks for posting. I had to turn off MSNBC last night after the debate after Schultz and Matthews were screaming in agony about President Obama’s performance. Couldn’t take it.

      Can we just say that while President Obama didn’t perform as well as we would have liked, he did okay and we don’t need to run amok in panic? Andrew Sullivan, who I usually respect, actually wrote that President Obama lost the elections based on this debate!!!! Dang.

      • 39 Rita
        October 4, 2012 at 5:00 pm

        The moment Andrew Sullivan started his live blogging by saying that Robme looked more “presidential” – this is before either of them had even opened their mouths – I knew things were not going to end well in his opinion :-/

        • 40 daiseymay1
          October 4, 2012 at 5:12 pm

          Not to be ugly,but I think Andrew Sullivan might have been fooled because MR is white!

        • October 4, 2012 at 7:56 pm

          Andrew is the biggest flip-flopper at times, until you call him out!. Do you remember when he thought Ryan was the greatest thing since sliced bread? Boy,how he has dropped in my totem pole.I used to tune in every day to him, now I pass him by, because it is the same old drivel.. the husband,the beagle, the bowles simpson, ..and most times he is quoting from other people’s blogs! Too much of a drama queen.

      • 43 Rita
        October 4, 2012 at 5:04 pm

        And check out Jason Alexander’s long tweet. he’s rocking it!


        “Gov. Romney did last night what he has done throughout his career – he morphed. And he was either ignorant of the facts or he lied on several key occasions. …”

        And then he goes into the details.

  12. 44 hopefruit2
    October 4, 2012 at 4:14 pm

    That crowd is HUGE! I guess they forgot to turn on MSNBC last night…Oh well 🙂

  13. 47 utaustinliberal
    October 4, 2012 at 4:16 pm

    The UW-Madison crowd apparently didn’t get the memo from moronic pundits that they’re supposed to be freaking out posts debate.

    Randomly tuning in and out of MSNBC today and OMG someone needs to get them into a padded room. I haven’t watched any of their line up today but I decided to tune into Bashir Live and he is the only one who has been sane today. He’s all like why the heck are some Democrats and some liberals freaking out? Pres. Obama did what he was supposed to do yesterday and Romney LIED all over the place.

    • October 4, 2012 at 4:25 pm

      I strongly agree with your post!

    • 49 pkayden
      October 4, 2012 at 4:52 pm

      Bashir is very sensible. I am sure he’s figured out that one debate doesn’t change the trajectory of the entire election. We need to calm down and keep supporting our President.

    • 50 Obama Grandmama
      October 4, 2012 at 10:23 pm

      i usually Tivo Martin Bashir, Chris Matthews, Rev Al, Ed Schultz, Rachel and Lawrence. After the freak out last night I cut out Chris Matthews and Ed Schultz today as both are prone to flip out and did last night. All the ones I watched today seemed credible to me to watch.

  14. 52 PoliticalJunkessa
    October 4, 2012 at 4:19 pm

    Sooooo….. what substance do y’all think Willard was on last night? Serious question. I’ve thought he was drugged in previous appearances, but especially so last night. Dude was w-i-r-e-d.

  15. 57 utaustinliberal
    October 4, 2012 at 4:20 pm

    Holy smokes! This is freaking awesome.

    • 58 donna dem 4 obama
      October 4, 2012 at 4:23 pm

      I believe this is a direct response to Mitt Romney. We aren’t playing with him. We love our POTUS and the LIAR can only dream of this kind of support!!!

      • 59 57andfemale
        October 4, 2012 at 5:11 pm

        Oddly enough, Markos said something very smart on the Stephanie Miller show a week or so ago: everything the RW has thrown at us in this election, we fight back and they’re unaccustomed to us fighting back. Voter suppression: we fight back. Lies: we fight back. A ‘DimMitt win’ in one debate: we fight back.

        We are not the Dem’s from a decade ago, excluding the whiny left. We’re fighting back and every time they throw something at us, we come back stronger.

        • 60 jacquelineoboomer
          October 4, 2012 at 7:26 pm

          Well, if that’s the case, and I like to think it is, then we’re not even the Dems from two years ago. Hallelujah.

  16. 61 donna dem 4 obama
    October 4, 2012 at 4:20 pm

    A heckuva crowd out there in WI

    We’ve got your back PBO!

    It warms my ♥ ♥ to see this!!!!

    • 62 anniebella
      October 4, 2012 at 4:28 pm

      You dam right we have his back. OBAMA/BIDEN……Moving FORWARD despite Mitt’s lies and the media B.S.

    • 63 hopefruit2
      October 4, 2012 at 4:29 pm

      Based on what JER posted upthread, this crowd is even bigger than he got when he rallied there in 2008!

  17. 64 dotster3
    October 4, 2012 at 4:22 pm

    As far as the eye can see

    • 65 jacquelineoboomer
      October 4, 2012 at 7:44 pm

      Well, lookee there, Santa and Mrs. Claus, incognito, front and center, come to WI to see the President! Hope they’re registered!

  18. October 4, 2012 at 4:25 pm

    Ugh, I’m exhausted from Tweeting and getting real work done. I can’t wait until I can sleep in tomorrow.

  19. 74 utaustinliberal
    October 4, 2012 at 4:27 pm

    Holy smokes! guys Holy freaking smokes! Grassroots organizing works!

    • 75 utaustinliberal
      October 4, 2012 at 4:28 pm

      WASHINGTON—The Obama campaign set a new monthly fundraising record for the 2012 election cycle, taking in more than $150 million in September as supporters rallied behind the president in the final phase of the election, according to people familiar with the totals.

      The September total far surpasses the $114 million raised in August, when the Obama team snapped a three-month streak in which it was outraised by Republican challenger Mitt Romney. At the time, the $114 million was the most the Obama campaign had collected in any one month in the 2012 election season. The most the Romney campaign has collected so far was $111 million in August.

      Both the Obama and Romney campaigns are raising money jointly with their respective national party committees.

      September proved to be a strong month for Democrats, with the presidential nominating convention in Charlotte, N.C., giving the Obama campaign a bounce in the polls and—as is now evident—a fundraising lift. The total was about the same as the $150 million the Obama campaign raised in September 2008, an amount that had shattered the monthly fundraising record at the time.

      The Obama campaign on Thursday declined to comment on its September fundraising totals.


      • 76 hopefruit2
        October 4, 2012 at 4:32 pm

        And this is WITHOUT the support of the Wall St which he was getting in 2008 🙂

      • October 4, 2012 at 4:36 pm

        Remember when $150-$200m would be the ENTIRE warchest for an entire campaign? PBO is doing this by firing up people to take control of their own destinies.

      • 78 Nena20409
        October 4, 2012 at 4:38 pm

        If my memory serves me right, it was in Oct 2008 that the Obama Team raised $150M. Now it has happened in Sept 2012? That is just mind breaking.

      • 79 Mary
        October 4, 2012 at 5:09 pm

        And I think this means these people are more likely to vote – so there are lots of committed voters out there. It’s easy to say I support So-and-so, but when you’ve given them money, you have skin in the game.

      • 80 57andfemale
        October 4, 2012 at 5:14 pm

        Yeah, I wouldn’t expect the WSJ to report that DimMitt’s numbers were bogus, like everything else he does.

  20. October 4, 2012 at 4:30 pm

  21. October 4, 2012 at 4:30 pm

    Among the many issues the President is undoubtedly tracking are those associated with developments at Bani Walid, Libya:


    From my reliable sources I can assure you that lots of good guys have surrounded Bani Walid and within the day the operation to (FINALLY) deal with it will begin. Within Libya it is considered likely that most if not all ‘missing’ Libyans are either imprisoned or already buried in BW.

  22. 83 jacquelineoboomer
    October 4, 2012 at 4:30 pm

    (Pulled over from the very end of the last post, where I sometimes dwell – oops!)

    Well, what a great cheerful visit I just had from an SEIU member at my front door, canvassing for a local woman Dem running for Congress. And my yard sign will be here, soon. She knew every issue out there on behalf of her candidate, whom I had seen trashed by Repukes on local TV.

    We were yacking for 20 minutes. I don’t know who had better talking points on behalf of President Obama – she or I – I’ll call it a match, although it wasn’t a contest since we were on the same side, because I was able to add to the great stuff she was saying and both of us were already familiar with it all.

    She knew a gazillion facts about President Obama’s record, and I laughed and told her she was preaching to the choir.

    One of her quotes to me about Republicans was, “My mother used to say, ‘You keep lying about me, and I’ll start telling the truth about you.’”

    Her visit kind of reminded me of a cartoon I saw once. Two older women were sitting on a park bench. An older man stopped by, leaned over, and said, “May sunbeams fill your life. Pass it on.” The sun’s not out here today, but it did stop by for a few minutes for me, after bracing myself all morning to hear more lyin’ lies about PBO after last night! [Can you tell I’m a child of the ’60s?]

  23. October 4, 2012 at 4:32 pm

  24. October 4, 2012 at 4:38 pm

    Being introduced now, by a UW Senior … CNN not yet streaming …

  25. 99 dotster3
    October 4, 2012 at 4:41 pm

    Dana Milbank on Bashir just said it wasn’t journalists’ job to fact check. This was in response to Bashir questioning him on his column which I assume was full of praise for a Romney win. Bashir got him to admit that Romney’s lies weren’t significant to him, not his responsibility, not part of his assessment. An astonishing statement for a writer from what is supposed to be a respectable newspaper.

    • October 4, 2012 at 4:49 pm

    • 102 Linda
      October 4, 2012 at 4:51 pm

      Milbank was stuttering and could not defend his column….

      • October 4, 2012 at 4:58 pm

        Linda, he was pathetic

        • 104 EricFive
          October 4, 2012 at 5:19 pm

          I agree. Milbank was a true village idiot. Kudos to Martin Bashir for going after him and making him and the rest of the village look silly. Bashir was basically echoing what many on this site have been saying, i.e., how can the MSM think Mitt won the debate when all he did is lie. Milbank said that the public should assume everything Mitt says is a lie, so the MSM has no duty to inform the people. That is PBO’s job according to Milbank. Bashir got him to admit that is an impossible task to debate with someone who lies all the time. The MSM still propping up Mitt, regardless of the truth.

          • 105 auntsis522
            October 4, 2012 at 6:53 pm

            OMG…I DVR Martin’s show and I can’t wait to see it. Again, we have ‘low information media’. They are lazy, get paid lots of money and refuse do their jobs. Sound like republicans. I wouldn’t doubt if they had high school diplomas. Not that it matters. I mean, Rachel Maddow is Rhodes Scholar (that is supposed to mean something) and she refused to do any fact checking last night. The only good thing was that Randi Rhodes is awesome!!

    • 106 Nena20409
      October 4, 2012 at 5:13 pm

      Candy Crowley said that before she got her Sunday show on CNN. Wolf Blizter and Erin Burnett during the GOP convention said that there were lots of stuff said that the Fact checkers would have issues with. Wolf said he could count at least 7-8. These are supposed to be journalists.

    • 107 anniebella
      October 4, 2012 at 5:16 pm

      dotster3, now I know what happen to real journalists, they die out. Now all we have is two bit people who claim to be journalists, Dana Milbank ) who care more about style, instead of the truth. Every journalists ought to care about the truth. Even the pundits who sit on tv.

    • 108 57andfemale
      October 4, 2012 at 5:31 pm

      Milbank has always been a class A jerk.

    • October 4, 2012 at 6:03 pm

      These journalists only fact check when it is the President.

    • October 4, 2012 at 8:02 pm

      Corporate frauds the whole lot of them, who have gotten away through the years with the Repug agenda. Still trying to hold on, and thinking with Mitt that they can.

  26. October 4, 2012 at 4:41 pm

    Massive crowd!!!!!!! Going CRAZY !!!!!!!!!!!

  27. 113 dudette9t9
    October 4, 2012 at 4:41 pm

  28. October 4, 2012 at 4:46 pm

    I LOVE this sweet, happy crowd!!

    • 117 xtine
      October 4, 2012 at 4:49 pm

      He’d have warmed me up too! Just by my being there in that crowd, you naughty mat people! Young people so bright & happy! 🙂

      “Four More Years!!” They say!

  29. October 4, 2012 at 4:48 pm

    Interesting read:

    Debate offered no answers for the casual voter
    By Raynard Jackson
    Raynard Jackson, a registered Republican and political consultant, is president and chief executive of Raynard Jackson & Associates, a Washington-based public relations/government affairs firm.

    I found last night’s presidential debate between President Obama and Gov. Mitt Romney dull and boring. But just as disappointing was the supposed analysis by the various pundits last night. From Fox to MSNBC to CNN, the analysts talked about body language, facial expressions, speech patterns and style, none of which will help Main Street voters make an informed decision on Nov. 6.

    Conventional wisdom says that the debates are really for the casual voter. These outside-the-Beltway voters are supposed to be the people who are going to make up their minds based on what they see and hear during the televised contests.

    But in reality, these contests are for the chattering class in Washington, not for the casual voter; even the candidates seem to realize this. The further you live from the District, the less likely you are to know about terms such as Solyndra, the individual mandate, sequestration, revenue neutral, etc.

    There was no clear line of demarcation between the two candidates. I’d hazard a guess that the general public has absolutely no idea what either candidate was talking about during the debate. This was not a game-changing debate, but rather a status quo debate. Obama didn’t hurt himself and Romney didn’t help himself.


    • 119 pkayden
      October 4, 2012 at 5:02 pm

      “There was no clear line of demarcation between the two candidates.”

      Really? There are loads of distinctions between President Obama and Mitt Romney. I really don’t understand these undecided or “casual voters”. By now, I would think that most people have made up their minds. There is a clear choice between a man who is trying his best to make the American dream accessible to all Americans versus a business man who has no problem firing people and shows no empathy towards 47% of the population.

      But I agree that this debate doesn’t change much.

      • 120 nabsentia23
        October 4, 2012 at 5:16 pm

        I’m friends with “casual voters” and you would be amazed at how they tune out politics until after the conventions.

        I have a friend who normally votes Democrat but is a casual voter. A few weeks ago, she sends me an email complaining about how rude one of her GOP friends was on Facebook. When I explained to her what was currently going on politically, she was shocked. And she finds all of this out when her conservative friend starts acting like an online thug after the RNC in Tampa.

        Then, she has a nephew who flat out called her a hyprocrite because he believes that liberalism and Christianity are incompatible. This same nephew told her a right-wing lie about how the DNC was going to Muslim Iman do a prayer at the start of their convention.

        She’s a very smart person, but politics is not her bag. I believe strongly that she will vote for Obama in November but it took some time for the current election to appear on her radar screen.

        I think this time around, more people have made up their minds at this point than in previous election cycles, but yes, these undecideds do exist and they do vote. They just have other stuff to do than trying absorbing all the political information they can (like us political junkies do).

    • 121 nabsentia23
      October 4, 2012 at 5:04 pm

      I have to disagree in that I do believe that the debates are for the casual voter. It’s just that those of us inside the Beltway just don’t understand that the casual voter views the debates very differently than we do.

  30. October 4, 2012 at 4:49 pm

    • 124 vcprezofan2
      October 4, 2012 at 4:59 pm

      Republicans never want to be held accountable. They just want to sound pompously knowing and patriotic. Here’s someone doing his bit to draw attention to their hypocrisy.

  31. 125 dudette9t9
    October 4, 2012 at 4:51 pm

    Black clergy is stepping up!
    African-American churches use ‘souls to polls’ to rally vote

    MIAMI (AP) — It’s not just the collection plate that’s getting passed around at hundreds of mainly African-American and Latino churches in U.S. battleground states ahead of the November presidential election.

    Church leaders are distributing voter registration cards in the middle of services, and many are pledging caravans of “souls to the polls” to deliver the vote in a close race between President Barack Obama, the country’s first black president, and Republican challenger Mitt Romney.

    Activists worry that new election rules in some states, from tougher photo identification requirements to fewer days of early voting, are unfairly targeting minority voters — specifically African-Americans who tend to vote heavily for Democrats.

    “It has ignited a sense of urgency and collective power that we can take by engaging in the process,” said the Rev. Dawn Riley Duval, social justice minister at the Shorter Community A.M.E. Church in Denver. Colorado is one of the nine key states that doesn’t reliably vote Democrat or Republican and will determine the election, which is decided in state-by-state contests and not by nationwide popular vote.

    In the biggest of the battleground states like Florida and Ohio, proponents of the new election rules deny they are aimed at suppressing the minority vote in hopes of helping Republicans win more races. Reasons for the rules vary between fighting fraud and purging ineligible voters.

    But to some African-American leaders like the Rev. F.E. Perry, a bishop in Ohio’s Church of God in Christ, it’s as if the 1960s barriers to voting for many blacks, especially in southern states, have returned all over again.

    “We’ve come too far to sit idly by and watch that happen,” Perry said. “We want to get souls to the polls. Whatever it takes to get them there, that’s what we’re going to do.”

    In a close race, a state such as Florida — where a mere 537 votes decided the 2000 contest between Republican George W. Bush and Democrat Al Gore — could prove decisive… [more in the article]

  32. 126 hopefruit2
    October 4, 2012 at 4:51 pm

    OMG! Our President has got this crowed super FIRED UP. Haven’t heard a peep from Mark Knoller about this rally….

  33. 127 hopefruit2
    October 4, 2012 at 4:52 pm

    But but but I thought Chuck Todd said that young people aren’t fired up…

    October 4, 2012 at 4:57 pm


  35. 130 hopefruit2
    October 4, 2012 at 4:58 pm

  36. 131 donna dem 4 obama
    October 4, 2012 at 5:00 pm

    I have a question????

    Tomorrow the BLS will give its monthly report on the UE rate and the number of jobs created for September. I’m not real good at how this stuff is calculated but won’t their numbers reflect the 400K jobs that were found (adjusted up) this month? Barring a big job loss number for September, wouldn’t that mean at least a couple of pts drop in the UE rate?

    • 132 jacquelineoboomer
      October 4, 2012 at 5:02 pm

      Donna – I don’t know, either, but I’ve been wondering if I missed the recounting of the 400K jobs. Here’s hoping we see them show up and lower the rate, as you asked.

    • 133 FoxfireTX
      October 4, 2012 at 5:19 pm

      No, the BLU stats are based on their monthly polling which often are adjusted later. But what is reported is basically its “first glimpse” of the numbers based on that current info. The figures are adjusted in subsequent months, and even later, when it receives additional info but doesn’t change the number that will be reported tomorrow. It is somewhat confusing, but the thing it DOES change for the positive is the number of jobs created since PBO has been in office.

      • 134 donna dem 4 obama
        October 4, 2012 at 5:23 pm

        So they add in the number of adjusted jobs that have been created but it has zero effect on the unemployment rate?

  37. 135 squarepeg
    October 4, 2012 at 5:01 pm

    I turned Tweety off. I don’t have time for his the sky is falling nonsense today.

    • October 4, 2012 at 5:05 pm

    • 137 pkayden
      October 4, 2012 at 5:07 pm

      I’m watching Matthews. His heart is in the right place. I think a lot of sensible people were panicking last night because they expected President Obama to knock Romney the hell out. At least Matthews is talking about Romney’s lies so that’s a good thing.

      • 138 japa21
        October 4, 2012 at 5:16 pm

        My theory on the panicking is that Dems, in general, are used to seeing their political leaders, when under fire, curl into a fetal position and not fight back. For them, PBO not vigorously combatting the lies was kind of a flashback experience. Today it is obvious that is not the case.

        Many times we have said that the Republicans don’t realize this is not a normal Democratic campaign, Well, many Dems need to realize that as well.

        • 139 nabsentia23
          October 4, 2012 at 5:24 pm

          My point exactly, japa21. If it has been any other Democratic hopeful from the last 30 years up there with Romney, I would be more frightened. The exception to that rule would be Bill Clinton. However, Obama does and will fight back. He will do it differently than Clinton, but he will do it.

          I really do feel that all of this is growing pains for the Democratic Party, liberals and progressives. Which is why as much as MSNBC ticked me off last night, I’m not ready to write them off completely. The American left has been playing “chicken little” for the last 30 years and old habits aren’t always easy to break.

        • October 4, 2012 at 5:32 pm

          “Many times we have said that the Republicans don’t realize this is not a normal Democratic campaign, Well, many Dems need to realize that as well.”


          Thank you.


        • October 4, 2012 at 6:40 pm

          This, this, this a 1000 times. It’s the point I’ve been making on TPV and Twitter for months. Obama is NOT your ancien regime Dem. The pundits don’t see this. But you know who does? Other Dem politicians. They’re not running away from him. They’re embracing him. Obama has remade the Democratic Party into his own image: patient, strategic, and lethal.

    • 142 jacquelineoboomer
      October 4, 2012 at 5:15 pm

      Tweety’s a non-entity. Depending on the cycle of the moon, he’s all “Clinton or bust” (and he didn’t used to like old Bill in the past), one week, and some other new shiny object, the next.

    • 143 Linda
      October 4, 2012 at 5:15 pm

      I did too as soon as I saw DC Madam client Ed Rendell.

  38. 144 hopefruit2
    October 4, 2012 at 5:02 pm

  39. October 4, 2012 at 5:04 pm

    Just in, big news- AFL/CIO has registered more than 450k new Union Voters.
    That is a game changer.

  40. 155 dudette9t9
    October 4, 2012 at 5:04 pm

  41. October 4, 2012 at 5:09 pm

    Mad Town LOVES them some PBO!!

    I knew this event would be big, but I did not expect 30,000++!

    Take that Romney/Ryan!

  42. 159 Soca Sweet
    October 4, 2012 at 5:13 pm

    Re unemployment, the 400,000 will be counted in Jan 2013

  43. 164 dotster3
    October 4, 2012 at 5:16 pm

    Love to see all those hands waving urgently, reaching out for an Obama touch. Great crowd there today! I am just about ready to let the crowds boo tho (don’t boo, vote!) There’s so much that needs booing.

  44. October 4, 2012 at 5:17 pm

    For a stupid humor break, David Letterman pretends that Jack Black is Mitt, for that interview he can’t get otherwise. And while it was pretty silly, the best part was Jack Black’s outfit – pure Mitt:

  45. 167 utaustinliberal
    October 4, 2012 at 5:24 pm

  46. 170 dotster3
    October 4, 2012 at 5:28 pm

    Just wondering out loud………do y’all think any of Obama’s advisers prepped him on style for the debate, told him to stand down, in effect, to not show any kind of emotion or outrage at Romney’s responses? As others have noted, the responses from the Obama team today seem to have accelerated in aggressiveness, harsher, like they’ve made an abrupt change.

    • October 4, 2012 at 5:30 pm

      Maybe that tape scared Him a but, possibly.
      It doesn’t matter, the reporting is over the top and inconsistent with what everybody saw. It was not nearly as bad as what the Pundits say it was, at worst a draw.

    • 172 Dakota
      October 4, 2012 at 6:03 pm

      I dunno…I saw a couple moments last night where the President looked at Robney like, “are you frigging kidding me?” Brief, yes, but still noticeable. My mother always said that a leopard never changes his spots. I think the President’s team knew Robney would do exactly what he did last night, bully, disrespect and lie…and being challenged sends him into a tizzy. They knew he would be just as stiff and unlikeable as ever.I think their plan was to come out swinging today. Even Gallup has the Prez up 4 and that was before he even spoke today. They must have know what they were doing.

    • 173 nospin
      October 4, 2012 at 6:37 pm

      PO is always the counter puncher.

      I wanted PO to take him down quick and at first and could not figure out why he allowed Mitt to take the easy hits. Then about 20 mins in, I looked at PO’s body language and knew he was up to something. He chose to hand Mitt the rope so he would hang himself and Mitt fell for it.

  47. October 4, 2012 at 5:28 pm

    Willie Brown slamming the President, saying facts don’t matter.

  48. 185 dudette9t9
    October 4, 2012 at 5:32 pm

  49. 186 dudette9t9
    October 4, 2012 at 5:32 pm

  50. 187 hopefruit2
    October 4, 2012 at 5:33 pm

    Here’s a panorama of Romney’s VA rally – oh my…


  51. 190 dudette9t9
    October 4, 2012 at 5:37 pm

    AFL-CIO Poised to Kick Some Major Ass! Wooooot!!

    Website: http://repurpose.workersvoice.org/

  52. October 4, 2012 at 5:40 pm

    Returned Ballots

    A total of 145,618 ballots have been returned in all states and localities for which I have statistics.

    CALIFORNIA reports 512 ballots cast as of Tuesday evening (only 11 counties reporting, excludes LA and other large counties)
    IOWA reports 94,135 ballots cast as of Thursday morning.
    MAINE reports 48 returned ballots as of Monday morning.
    NORTH CAROLINA reports 22,301 returned ballots as of Thursday morning (with 2 non-reporting counties).
    OHIO 50 counties report 17,713 returned ballots as of (mostly) Wednesday evening.
    SOUTH CAROLINA reports 1,753 returned ballots as of Thursday afternoon.
    SOUTH DAKOTA reports 8,326 returned ballots as of Thursday morning.

    Scroll down for more statistics on the returned ballots!


  53. 193 57andfemale
    October 4, 2012 at 5:46 pm

    I directed a production of Brighton Beach Memoirs many years ago and cast as the lead a young man, first generation Italian. His parents spoke no English. He told the story of sitting in front of the TV, watching Sesame Street, where he learned English and numbers and civics without having to be burdened by his different language and the fear and embarrassment that can bring. It was PBS and Sesame Street that gave that young immigrant child a head start in life. It cost nothing, because his new country made a commitment to television that was free from commericalization (okay, I said it was MANY years ago).

    So when effing DimMitt dismisses Big Bird as so much frivolous nonsense, he again insults the people who need it. who learn from it about words and numbers and citizenship and history and geology and space exploration and politics and……

    Instead of catching his lying sons in their obvious many lies, perhaps he should have taken a citizenship class along with his entitled spawn.

    • 194 dotster3
      October 4, 2012 at 5:56 pm

      My oldest daughter was born the year Sesame Street began. She learned to read by watching Sesame Street. All of a sudden one day she just began reading from a newspaper—-at 2 1/2! What??? How do you know those words? Sesame Street, she explained. All my kids greatly benefited from what they learned watching Big Bird and Elmo and Cookie Monster and the gang—-arrived at preschool well-prepared.

      • 195 Dakota
        October 4, 2012 at 6:16 pm

        My daughter was born the same year Sesame Street began also! People were amazed to see this 2 yr old reading words! One day we were on the bus and it stopped in front of a library. She saw a banner that said, “Don’t Forget to go to the Library” and read every word out loud. People that saw and heard were astonished. One gentleman said, “How old is that baby?” I told him and explained that she learned to read watching Sesame Street twice a day. There were some criticisms of Sesame Street back then (what a shock!) but she LEARNED so I didn’t care.

        • 196 EDP4BHO
          October 4, 2012 at 6:42 pm

          My son was born in 1979, and one day came in the room with me and his dad, opened up a Cookie Monster book, and proceeded to read the entire book, unsolicited. Three years old. Sesame Street is a beloved institution.

      • 197 daisydem
        October 4, 2012 at 6:20 pm

        Yes, if there is a SAVE BIG BIRD movement, it will encompass not just children of today, but those of us in my age group who benefited from the merits of what Sesame Street taught our children, same for Mister Rogers Neighborhood, much like Captain Kangaroo did for us (sharing, working with arts and crafts – I remember having a cigar box or shoe box, not sure which with my little scissors, glue, construction paper, string, etc. to bring out when Captain Kangaroo came on each morning). We may have to do a SAVE BIG BIRD march to Washington, D.C. lol

        • 198 Obama Grandmama
          October 4, 2012 at 11:00 pm

          My son has two preschoolers and says trying to kill Big Bird should involve a t-shirt for preschoolers with a message on it. What could the t-shirt say?

    • 199 daisydem
      October 4, 2012 at 6:14 pm

      Wonder why his sons felt compelled to lie?

  54. 200 utaustinliberal
    October 4, 2012 at 5:48 pm

  55. 201 Tally
    October 4, 2012 at 5:49 pm

  56. 202 a4alice
    October 4, 2012 at 5:52 pm

    President is speaking now click on CSPAN on top!

  57. 205 dudette9t9
    October 4, 2012 at 5:52 pm

  58. 207 Tally
    October 4, 2012 at 5:55 pm

  59. 208 utaustinliberal
    October 4, 2012 at 6:00 pm

    The more I look at this crowd (this is a different vantage point), the more stunned I am. How stoked must Pres. Obama have been to look out on this view? Kinda reminds me of St. Louis 08.

  60. 210 lamh35
    October 4, 2012 at 6:00 pm

    My final post of the night, I’ll probably see ya’ll tomorrow if the lingering chicklen-littlism have settled down. I’ll leave ya’ll with a comment from Al Giordano on his FB page in response to a comment on the hysteria by our side yesterday after the debate:

    … I think that if the Chicken Littles and Pavlovian Puppies did phone banking and door knocking (or pie bake-offs, ha ha) instead of wishing that Barry would “Cut a Mitt” for their own instant gratification that they would be useful allies instead of the herpes sores that they are being. It seems they spend their debate-watching time thinking “I can do better than him because I AM better than him!” Where I don’t see the same panic is in those “decent fair-minded individuals” outside of their narrow demographic niche…

    Adversity is part of any venture. If one gets married, there will be adversity. If one has kids, there will be adversity. If one is born, there will be adversity. And the same sure goes for entering any conflict such as a campaign! Whether adversity and setbacks are your fault, someone else’s or mere accidents is really secondary to how one acts in the face (or wake) of adversity. What I loathe…is that at the slightest sign of the very adversity they should know to expect already is they go from 0 to 60 in one second into panic mode with finger pointing and blame games galore. I really have grown to avoid those fucking people in my daily life. The very definition of character comes through having composure during turbulence, not overreacting or acting impulsively or imprudently, and never, ever, spreading panic and fear. Adversity is such a constant in all realms of life that the only smart reaction is “ho hum, there it is again” and keep moving forward. That’s one of the things I most like about Obama and most loathe about his fair weather friends.

  61. 216 Debra
    October 4, 2012 at 6:02 pm

    I love your site and I don’t post often. But why didn’t President Obama really go after Romney last night.

    • 217 jacquelineoboomer
      October 4, 2012 at 6:13 pm

      Please see lamh35’s post, right above yours, with some goodness from Al Giordano.

    • 218 nospin
      October 4, 2012 at 6:42 pm

      “why didn’t President Obama really go after Romney last night.”

      to speak to his policies and to allow voters an unobstructed view of Willard Mitt Romney LIAR extraordinaire.

  62. 219 utaustinliberal
    October 4, 2012 at 6:06 pm

    Bravo to the Rev. Al and Martin Bashir. They are the only two MSNBC pundits who didn’t freak out today and lose their minds post debate. They’re holding Romney’s feet to the fire.

  63. October 4, 2012 at 6:12 pm

    That’s my state – On Wisconsin! Thank you for turning out in a BIG WAY for PBO.

  64. October 4, 2012 at 6:13 pm

    Oh, and I can’t wait to see what pics Chips will have for us of the crowd in Mad-town and PBO’s speech.

  65. 224 dotster3
    October 4, 2012 at 6:14 pm
    • 225 4morefor44
      October 4, 2012 at 6:22 pm

      i’ve been on that hill. it’s pretty big and if it’s jam packed, i have to think its quite a bit more than 30,000 people. what a great sight! go badgers!!!

  66. 227 terim
    October 4, 2012 at 6:20 pm

    I got this from Twitter – but, it looks like Romney brought cheat notes to the debate!!! Watch him take paper out of his pocket and put it on the podium.


    • 228 a4alice
      October 4, 2012 at 6:25 pm

      I don’t know the rules for debates but I looked at the video and yes, he does pull out some folded up papers from his pocket.

    • October 4, 2012 at 7:10 pm

      He definitely pulls something out of his right pocket. Wish we could see it in slow motion.

      I did notice after the debate and the hand shaking that he made a point of going back to the podium and getting some papers, which he then handed to one of his sons for safekeeping, who then puts them inside his jacket chest pocket. It would fit so perfectly with his lack of character to bring cheat sheets. And it would be nice if we could learn exactly what happened but I don’t count on anybody in the media to bother to inform us of the truth.

  67. 232 prettyfoot58
    October 4, 2012 at 6:20 pm

  68. 233 utaustinliberal
    October 4, 2012 at 6:21 pm

    This is beyond cool!

  69. 238 PoliticalJunkessa
    October 4, 2012 at 6:25 pm

    I’ll cut you over Sesame Street. Leave Big Bird alone!

  70. 239 dudette9t9
    October 4, 2012 at 6:25 pm

    This Big Bird stuff is GREAT!!! (warning it’s on Orange Satan, but really, you wanna see these images!!)

    • October 4, 2012 at 7:58 pm

      I must say I have noticed two things today on twitter: Kos, unlike Ed and Matthews has put up nothing but positive news about PBO. And Mark Knoller has not been snarky. Anyone else notice?

  71. 241 hopefruit2
    October 4, 2012 at 6:33 pm

  72. 245 dotster3
    October 4, 2012 at 6:36 pm

    30,000 plus 6000 in the overflow area!

  73. 248 dudette9t9
    October 4, 2012 at 6:38 pm

    New Mexico Republican official caught training polls challengers to suppress votes
    A liberal group in New Mexico claims to have undercover video showing the vice chair of the Sandoval County Republican Party training poll challengers to use illegal tactics that could suppress voters’ rights. ProgressNow New Mexico on Wednesday published video of a September 26th official “Poll Challenger Training,” in which former Republican Sandoval County Commission candidate Pat Morlen misinformed voters about ID requirements and assistance for Spanish-speaking citizens.

    “At the request of two or more precinct board members of different political parties, a voter shall still present the required physical form of identification,” Morlen says in the video. Rules posted by the New Mexico Secretary of State, however, state that a verbal ID — such as name, birthday and address — are all that can be required from a vast majority of voters:
    “You do not have to present a photo ID. Only if you are registering for the first time in New Mexico, and you submit the registration form by mail, then you must submit with the form a copy of (1) a current and valid photo identification; or (2) a current utility bill, bank statement, government check, paycheck, student identification card or other government document, including identification issued by an Indian nation, tribe or pueblo that shows your name and current address. If you do not submit one of these forms of identification with your mailed-in, first time registration, then you would be required to present one of the forms of identification when voting in person or absentee.”

    The trainer also falsely claims that voters who changed their address but stayed in the same voting district should receive a provisional ballot and that no assistance would be provided to non-English speaking voters. Morlen, who is now a tea party activist, later mocks disabled voters in New Mexico.

    “In this state, if you’re in a coma [laughing] and your parent wants you to vote, they can vote for you,” she quips. “My own opinion is if the person can’t even say their name, at least their name, I don’t see why they should be voting.”

    ProgressNow New Mexico warned that the faulty poll challenger training “could potentially restrict the voting rights of as many as [one in eight] New Mexicans in November.”

    “Throughout the training the Republican Party representative shows an insensitivity to language minorities and disabled citizens and displays a concerning lack of knowledge regarding New Mexico’s voting regulations – this lack of knowledge could have a harmful effect on Election Day when the people who attended these trainings begin trying to challenge votes at the polls,” the group wrote. “If the attendees of these trainings – and trainings likes these that have occurred or will occur – attempt to challenge votes because of what they learned, it could lead to many problems at the polls and has the potential to disenfranchise voters who have a legal, legitimate right to exercise their civic duty on Election Day.”

    Watch this video from ProgressNow New Mexico, uploaded Oct. 3, 2012.

  74. 249 criquet
    October 4, 2012 at 6:39 pm

  75. 250 hopefruit2
    October 4, 2012 at 6:40 pm

    Does anyone know approximately how many people attended the Romney rally in VA today? I mean, seeing that the pundiots were claiming that Willard had such a fantastic debate, you would think that crowds would come flocking to his rally this afternoon!

  76. October 4, 2012 at 6:44 pm

  77. 264 EDP4BHO
    October 4, 2012 at 6:59 pm

    Sorry if a dup:

    • October 4, 2012 at 7:26 pm

      • 266 EDP4BHO
        October 4, 2012 at 7:44 pm

        Thanks Bobfr. You’re a trooper. And before I go to bed, I agree with a caller on Randi and Randi herself- Jim Leher was a pitiful moderator, PBO held his cool because of the “angry black man” meme, PBO was really pissed because he had to “debate” a liar, and that it was NOT a real debate because that would entail a real discussion, which it could not have been when one is a major, flustered, smirky clenched-mouth prevaricator, who overtalked the so-called moderator and the President, in pure bully fashion. But my take- Romney is a punk because a punk can’t have a real debate as this would take having real substance.

  78. 268 hopefruit2
    October 4, 2012 at 7:11 pm

  79. 269 dudette9t9
    October 4, 2012 at 7:17 pm

    Off-Topic, but damn!

  80. 270 desertflower
    October 4, 2012 at 7:23 pm


  81. October 4, 2012 at 7:25 pm

    President Obama’s top aides didn’t deny on Thursday that Mitt Romney had a strong first debate. But by taunting fact checkers with a vague set of newly centrist claims, they believe the governor has left himself open for a major counteroffensive this week.

    Obama senior strategist David Axelrod characterized Romney’s debate strategy as “effective in the short term, vulnerable in the long term.”

    “Governor Romney came to give a performance and he gave a good performance and we give him credit for that,” he told reporters in a conference call. “The problem with it was that none of it was rooted in fact.”
    He highlighted three areas in particular where the campaign planned to aggressively highlight Romney’s debate claims and press for more specifics: health care for the sick, tax breaks for the rich, and regulations on Wall Street.

    Romney told the debate crowd, for example, that despite his promise to repeal the Affordable Care Act, “pre-existing conditions are covered under my plan.” But his campaign immediately walked the statement back afterwards, with Romney strategist Eric Ferhnstrom clarifying to TPM that it would be up to states to pass laws guaranteeing insurance coverage.

    Axelrod called the pre-existing conditions pledge “an assertion that was so audacious the Romney campaign had to send someone into the spin room after the debate to say ‘Well, he really can’t do that.”



  82. October 4, 2012 at 7:25 pm

    Winning a debate, Romney-style:

  83. 280 hopefruit2
    October 4, 2012 at 7:29 pm

  84. 282 dudette9t9
    October 4, 2012 at 7:33 pm

  85. October 4, 2012 at 7:43 pm

  86. 284 idon
    October 4, 2012 at 7:46 pm

    Did anyone see this? Sorry but this made me laugh so hard because it reminded me of domestic terrorist sarah palin http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021472426

  87. 285 Martha
    October 4, 2012 at 7:48 pm

    Did Romney cheat ? if look at 11sec in you see him reach in his pocket and pull out something white and put on table. http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251119479

  88. 291 veryslowwriter
    October 4, 2012 at 7:50 pm


    We stand with Big Bird.

  89. 294 Smoothscotch
    October 4, 2012 at 7:58 pm

    Did somebody get played last night? Lol

    • 295 dudette9t9
      October 4, 2012 at 8:24 pm

      Serious smooths.
      Looks to me like part of the strategy was just let the mofo lie on stage then use that shit against him in ads. Works for me!

      • 296 Smoothscotch
        October 4, 2012 at 8:56 pm

        Boy, it’s sure a different PBO in front of the crowds today. Here’s the thing, listening to what he ‘s saying, he’s bringing up what Robme said last night, shooting it down and the crowds are with him. Robme put it out there and ” the people” are questioning/commenting. He can’t go back now AND it will become more and more obvious as the Obama campaign makes ads of both sides of Robme/Ryan.

        Another older Canadian white male spoke about the debate last night to me, said PBO didn’t bring it, but he’d vote for him anyway if he could because he identifies with him and would have a beer with him. NOT Robme, not even a beer.

  90. 297 prettyfoot58
    October 4, 2012 at 8:05 pm

  91. October 4, 2012 at 8:07 pm

    Of course, Ben Afleck was asked about the President, while promoting his new movie.
    He says, he is disappointed, blah blah,
    That’s where the talking point disappointment comes from, some of the fucking elite Hollywood Males, who think This President promised to be all things to everybody. Sigh!

    • 300 lisalovesobama
      October 4, 2012 at 8:32 pm

      who cares about this know nothing, no ‘count actor? Him and that other one Damon are full of shit.

    • 301 anniebella
      October 4, 2012 at 9:56 pm

      Afleck, hasn’t done a movie worth while, so he wants some attention. Have he ever did a movie worth anything? The most thing he was famous for was being Jalo bo.

  92. 302 EDP4BHO
    October 4, 2012 at 8:09 pm

    Before I really retire, lol…Some here were complaining about Chris and Ed last night. Yep, they are ridiculous, but what I can say about Ed- I can’t say the same for Chris. Ed will try to re-group and get back on track, wherein Chris will draw out the criticism because he does everything for effect.

  93. 303 prettyfoot58
    October 4, 2012 at 8:15 pm

  94. 304 Walking_on_ Sunshine
    October 4, 2012 at 8:16 pm

    Does anyone remember that Eminem song: “Will the Real Slim Shady Please stand up?” I was thinking it would be great if some talented person was to do a spoof on it. “Would the Real Mitt Romney Please Stand Up?” but then I goggled and discovered that it had already been done. Don’t mind me I’m rambling.

  95. 305 Walking_on_ Sunshine
    October 4, 2012 at 8:18 pm

    Pres. looks like he’s in a fine mood today. And look at that crowd. I can’t wait to see the ads they make out of all of last nights lies.

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