A Word from 57andfemale

Political ‘speech’ has historically been given more latitude than other ‘free speech’ but only because there were some limitations. There was a mechanism of accountability: all donors had to be disclosed and the amount of their donations would be limited, thereby limiting their influence to some extent. So if you stretched the truth, shaded the truth, manipulated the truth – the people who paid for that ad would be known to the public. It would take a large number of donors to generate said political speech. There were some consequences.

For many, many years, Republicans cried that we didn’t need no stinkin’ campaign finance laws. All we needed was disclosure, which by its very nature would put common sense limits and some accountability on those donors and thereby the campaign that they supported. Where did I hear this? Let me think…….

Oh, yes. Mitch McConnell.

Any many other Republicans.

Those crazy Democrats – well, they always thought that the public would not have its interests represented if there were NO limits on political speech through money. Money would drown out the interests of the people who could in no way compete with corporate and wealthy interests. It would, in fact, be the buying of public office by interests that could afford it more than the $50,000 family of four who would have to choose between school books or ear infection medicine and donating to campaigns. But as I said, those whacky Democrats…..

Fast forward to Citizens United. Money IS speech and well, no one could anticipate that foreign money would finance campaigns (Sheldon Adelson, Barclay’s Bank………) And certainly no one could ever anticipate that corporate money would drown out the interests of the millions of Americans who could not compete with that money. Why, that would be…….crazy.

Here we are. 2012. Mitch McConnell actually said with a straight face (and that may be the straightest face I’ve ever seen on a human being) that IF we demanded disclosure, well, the Koch Bros. might lose business because their customers wouldn’t like what they were advocating.

Someone in polyester elastic waist pants might actually decide to donate $50 to PBO rather than hand it over – I mean, gamble – it away in a Sheldon Adelson casino. Oh, the HORROR. It might hurt their bottom line if the American people saw how every package of Angel Soft was helping to elect Mitt Romney (God forbid). Or every Brawny towel or quarter slot machine might be buying the end of Medicare as we know it, dirty air, no clean energy, no safe food, no safe medications, no health care, no safety net, no investment in infrastructure. But we certainly wouldn’t want to have the Koch Bros. – or Bain Capital — damaged in any way by the TRUTH. Why, that would be anti-capitalism. That would be anti-rich. That would be anti-entitlement. In the truest sense of the word.

To review: unfettered money flowing to political campaigns/PAC’s could be controlled with disclosure. But not one Republican – I’m talking to YOU, John McCain – voted FOR disclosure. Now we have unfettered money — oh, I’m sorry Justice Kennedy, I mean ‘free’ speech – with no controls, no disclosures. Just money – able to lie and cheat and steal and buy our government. Thank you so much, you libertarian piece of crap. Your legacy of ‘freedom’ has now denied millions of Americans the right to an honest, informed election. Are you proud?

Money to LIE.

Which brings me to my point: no longer should political ‘speech’ be exempt from libel or slander laws. Political speech should now be held subject to any and all laws that are on the books to protect the public interest from disinformation. Drug companies aren’t allowed to do it, food manufacturers aren’t allowed to do it. Why should political campaigns and affiliated PAC’s be able to do it?

You manipulate PBO’s statements? You have now broken the law. You cut out what he said to make it sound like he said the opposite? You get your ass sued with an injunction slapped on your ass. And since the airwaves are given to networks as a courtesy, they are REQUIRED to pull such ads.

You want to spend unlimited amounts of money? You don’t want to disclose WHO is spending that money? Then you tell the effing TRUTH or you don’t get access to so much as a used piece of newsprint, much less the networks to spread your lies.

You can’t lie about Angel Soft. You should not be able to lie about PBO.

I await your comments.

120 Responses to “A Word from 57andfemale”

  1. July 20, 2012 at 9:26 pm

    57andfemale, thanks a gazillion for this beautifully written bang-on-the-button piece. I was out for most of the day and only just saw your email, a lovely gift. Thank you again, really appreciate you contributing.

    • July 20, 2012 at 9:37 pm

      {{{{{{{{{Chipsticks}}}}}}}}} first looks good on you, too.

    • 3 57andFemale
      July 20, 2012 at 11:23 pm

      Thank you soooo much, Chips. I am flattered beyond words.

    • 5 Smoothscotch
      July 21, 2012 at 1:40 am

      Give yourself a prize and we can all share.

    • 6 nathkatun7
      July 21, 2012 at 3:02 am

      Chips, I am so glad you decided to headline this timely piece. I totally second your sentiments about this excellent piece by 57andfemale. It needs to be shared widely. Telling lies just to get elected must never be equated with freedom of speech. Citizens need to start a movement to pressure Congress to outlaw blatant lying because we can no longer depend on the corporate owned Press to inform the people about which politician is lying or is telling the truth.

  2. 7 isonprize
    July 20, 2012 at 9:30 pm

    clap, clap, clap, clap, clap, clap!!! 57and female!! On this day of reflection, I just pray for the future of our country. For all of the victims in Aurora, all victims of senseless crimes. The TRUTH will set us free, but only if we have sense enough to recognize it.

  3. 12 prettyfoot58
    July 20, 2012 at 9:38 pm

    Right onnnnnnnnnnnnnn Right onnnnnnnnnn Right onnnnnnnnnnn!!!!!!!!!

  4. 13 hopefruit2
    July 20, 2012 at 9:39 pm

    Thank you for this 57andfemale. Very good piece, and it’s the whole truth!

  5. 14 amk for obama
    July 20, 2012 at 9:42 pm

    well said, 57f.

    This whole ‘free speech’ and right to bear arms has been to taken to the ridiculous levels that were not the original intent. They have now become dangerous caricatures.

    • 15 57andFemale
      July 20, 2012 at 11:32 pm

      Of course I understand the President’s words and actions about ‘no politics’ today. I grieve for the families in Aurora and cannot fathom the fear and sadness that will plague them the rest of their lives. I am haunted by the lives lost and the promise gunned down by a society that is obscenely permissive with guns and yet considers it righteous to stand between a woman and her doctor and her choices that affect her health and the health of her family. Obscene.

      But politics is not just about petty squabbles. It is what elects our representatives — it shapes who we are as a country, as a people. It is as vital for the right of every child to see a movie, ‘free’ from the dangers unleashed by the radical NRA which our good President cannot fight right now.

      Information and truth are not a privilege — they are our right in a democratic society. It has never been more in peril than it is because of the radical, partisan choices made by five men on the Supreme Court. We cannot fight gun violence or any of the myriad of challenges that face us without the freedom of an honest election. It is at the heart of everything, IMO.

  6. 17 utaustinliberal
    July 20, 2012 at 9:42 pm

    57andFemale, this is a freaking awesome rant! *CLAP! CLAP! CLAP!*

    Truth will not and must not ever be hidden. False equivalency must never be the meme du jour. There are lies and there is truth. And your commentary was 100% truth.

  7. 19 Tally
    July 20, 2012 at 9:45 pm


    BRAVA 57!!!

  8. 27 Tally
    July 20, 2012 at 9:45 pm

  9. 30 LunarSea
    July 20, 2012 at 9:49 pm

    Great job 57andFemale

  10. 31 Squarepeg
    July 20, 2012 at 9:49 pm

    And now Melissa perry joins the chorus of idiots who think this tragic shooting in aurora should be politicized. What is wrong with people?

    • July 20, 2012 at 10:06 pm

      She must have missed the President of the United States telling us there will be other days for politics, today is a day of prayer and reflection. Or was he simply appealing to the better angels of our nature?

    • 33 yardarm756
      July 20, 2012 at 10:27 pm

      We all know the MSM are like vultures on a carcass. Only in this case it ain’t dead yet.

    • 34 Cha
      July 20, 2012 at 10:43 pm

      Then she should be Blasting the gop nra owned congress if she really thinks today is a good day to politicize the TRAGEDY IN COLORADO.

    • 36 nospin
      July 21, 2012 at 12:11 am

      it wasn’t her brother, sister, child, neighbor, friend, “fill in the blank” sitting in that movie theater.

      They make me sick. Let the people who suffered this tragedy grieve. There will be another day for politics, today is NOT the day.

  11. 38 japa21
    July 20, 2012 at 9:55 pm

    In other words, don’t mess with Chicago.

    Well done.

  12. 39 lamh35
    July 20, 2012 at 10:04 pm

    Damnit! I don’t begrudge people from legally getting guns and such, but damn F#$ the NRA, we need tighter gun control so people like this guy in Co can’t just go on the internet and get “6000 ROUNDS OF AMMUNITION AND A 100 ROUND MAGAZINE FOR AN ASSAULT RIFLE” over the damn internet (see also, the Columbine kids and the Va Tech kid).! This shit needs to stop.


    • 40 desertflower
      July 20, 2012 at 11:01 pm

      And if you take the poll as to whether or not that assault rifle should be banned…the no’s far out weigh the yes’s. Boggles my mind. 6000 rounds of ammunition? Oh dear god.

      57…brilliant. Simply brilliant. How do we make this happen? Write your Senator and have them craft a law?

      • 41 desertflower
        July 20, 2012 at 11:04 pm

        Might I also say, that words have power. If you want to hold the mighty power of words in your hand, you better damn well be held responsible for those words!

      • 42 57andFemale
        July 20, 2012 at 11:46 pm

        I wonder if additional laws are even necessary. It’s always been more of a ‘courtesy’ to exempt political speech from libel and slander laws, because there were some checks and balances. CU destroyed them all. Like anti-trust laws. There is no reason they are not enforced except no DoD since Reagan has enforced the existing the laws.

        Now this would be a monumental sea change. The first candidate to actually sue his opponent would be torn to bits. But the idea that candidates have a responsibility to the truth, particularly under the abuses of CU and Romney’s outrageous secrecy and lies, can catch on. We need to continually find new ways to plant the seed that truth matters and Republicans are LYING with the financial support of shadowy supporters who are allowed to buy elections and suffer no consequences. Because if we don’t, lying of Romney-scale proportions will become the norm. Rachel’s been on this, and we need to fight back.

  13. 43 lamh35
    July 20, 2012 at 10:05 pm

    Sorry guys, I just got off from work and I’m just getting caught up on what happened in Colorado.

    The guy bought all of this stuff legally it seems, but damn there should be some sort of red flag that goes off when somebody buys a AR-15 assault rifle, A Remington 12-gauge shotgun, a .40 glock handgun, a 4th handgun and 6000 rounds of ammo and a 100 round mag within 60 days!!!!! Who the heck needs that much firepower outside of Iraq?


    • 44 vcprezofan2
      July 20, 2012 at 11:01 pm

      Thank you for sharing, 57&F.

      ‘You can’t lie about Angel Soft. You should not be able to lie about PBO.’

      ‘The guy bought all of this stuff legally it seems……Who the heck needs that much firepower outside of Iraq?’

      Two issues that seem dissimilar but have in common the need for something to be done? My question is WHAT can WE DO? IS there ANYTHING we can productively do? I hate feeling helpless, bogged down by the certainty that something is very wrong, yet I have no power to initiate or effect a change; I can only vent.

      • 45 Left-Indie
        July 21, 2012 at 7:19 am

        Man, I love rants like this, yet at the same time they make me feel VCprez’s last words above “I hate feeling helpless, bogged down by the certainty that something is very wrong, yet I have no power to initiate or effect change…” As I see it, action is the only thing that counts. Grover, the NRA and all those other bastards took years of concentrated effort to build their terrifying polical machines. We can fight them, though. It starts with Prez’s relection, Nancy at the house, and a Dem with a little stiffer spine than Reid. This is the only thing that counts.

        • 46 vcprezofan2
          July 21, 2012 at 9:50 am

          ‘It starts with Prez’s reelection’

          Yes, I think it does, Left-I. This morning I’m optimistic we (grassroots ‘we’) can minimize our feelings of helplessness by intensifying our efforts to reach ONE MORE contact each day/week going forward. I believe that ‘millions of voices’ the Prez & FLOTUS talk about will be built up more quickly and effectively if we use our one-to-one opportunities every chance we get.

  14. July 20, 2012 at 10:07 pm

    • 48 jackiegrumbacher
      July 20, 2012 at 10:13 pm

      I wish everybody in Florida would see this number and understand who it was who gave them access to that care. Would love to see that in an ad aimed at seniors.

    • 49 57andFemale
      July 20, 2012 at 11:53 pm

      The first people to benefit from ACA were seniors — the very first. And the benefits were massive.

      My husband is in a Medicare Advantage plan. No matter how Thom Hartmann derides them, Medicare Advantage was a Godsend to my husband when our business had plummeted 50%, he had just turned 65, and we couldn’t really afford medigap policy.

      With the new ACA changes to Medicare, I told my husband that we would see if we even needed Medicare Advantage anymore. But the insurance company anticipated that, gave us all the benefits of the new law AND added other benefits that kept us in the program. For the first time since the inception of Medicare, there was a cap on out-of-pocket expenses. That was HUGE and kept us with Medicare Advantage, in addition to the free preventive care, closing of the donut hole, etc.

      It makes me insane that so many seniors fell for the tea party b.s. in 2010. I do think the administration blew the messaging on it, but I’m hearing and seeing ads all the time from HHS now. I know the Repubs were trying to defund the ad campaign, but the administration got around it somehow.

      • 50 nathkatun7
        July 21, 2012 at 3:33 am

        Totally agree with you 57! I am one of the seniors who is benefiting from ACA. I am scheduled for the annual exam and I was told by my doctor that I will pay nothing. I used to skip these because of cost. All the prescriptions I’ve gotten this year and last year have cost me half of what I used to pay. It’s really sad that seniors, who are benefiting from the ACA, are against it. I think the blame rests with the mainstream media. The media had the responsibility to inform the people of what the law was about. The media’s roil was not to simply act as stenographers for political parties. If that is what the media think their role is then we don’t need the media. We can all look up the talking points and press releases put out by the political parties.

      • 51 anniebella
        July 21, 2012 at 7:55 am

        57andFemale, if only people would think for themselves. I want every dam Senior who was against the ACA to turn down the benefits.

        • 52 anniebella
          July 21, 2012 at 7:57 am

          Everyone who fought against the ACA ( Obamacare ), who didn’t want it to survive, they shouldn’t get any benefits from it.

  15. 53 Carol Sheffield
    July 20, 2012 at 10:08 pm

    Rachel made a brief reference to this “above the law” phenomenon last night but didn’t develop it…cudos to 57 for saying so passionately and persuasively what is the obvious answer to the Roberts (ACTIVIST) Court!!! There oughta be a LAW.

  16. 54 jackiegrumbacher
    July 20, 2012 at 10:09 pm

    Beautiful job, 57. The GOP has openly declared that it stands for nothing but deceit and hypocrisy. They practically shout it out every day when they turn against positions they once stood for, just so they can game the system for their billionaire buds. They’re shouting it, showing it every day, but people aren’t paying attention. They think it’s business as usual to have a Congress actively and aggressively committed to doing everything that is wrong for the country. This isn’t business as usual. It’s an outright betrayal of their constitutional oath and it’s treasonous at its very heart.

    Americans need to be shaken out of a complacent coma that makes them blind to the real evil that gets done every day in their name by the people they elected in 2010. These people must be systematically voted out, from the treacherous Mitch McConnell, to lowliest GOP freshmen disgrace to his/her office in the US House. I rejoice every time I hear PBO link Mitt to his Congressional buddies in the House. We need to tie the greedy, lying Willard around the neck of every rotten GOP representative and senator on Capital Hill.

    I would also like to tell McConnell that neither the repulsive Koch Brothers or the corrupt Adelson are exactly hidden. A Georgia-Pacifc product has not entered my home since I found out that the evil brothers owned them. Every one I know has a feeling of outright revulsion of the Kochs. If people were still writing fairy tales today, they would be the big bad, wolves or the sinister trolls under the bridge.

    • July 20, 2012 at 11:31 pm

      Speaking of the Koch Brothers & Co, and their elected “co-horts in crime”, here ya go: 😉

      @FrankLautenberg Shines Light on Koch Brothers and Secret Campaign Financiers…

      Lawrence Lessig on How the Kochs Buy Democracy:

      YES.WE.CAN…DO.(Much)More, Together – WE MUST!
      YES.WE.CAN, Again…Obama/Biden 2012!
      FIRED UP & READY2GO! 😉

  17. 56 prettyfoot58
    July 20, 2012 at 10:21 pm

    NON-disclosure allows the lies to take hold and FESTER….like a nasty sore…

    i have often been simply amazed at the sheer amount of lies that have been leveled at this President…

    there is no accountability….the lies have become the truth…when you challenge the lies..some folks want to continue to believe the lies…

    Dr King said…No Lie Can Live Forever…..he also said that….. Truth crushed to the earth will rise again….

    This i hope and Pray..but in this political climate…Truth needs a lil help from US…………


    • 57 isonprize
      July 20, 2012 at 10:29 pm

      Truth needs a lil help from US…………

      “Nothing can stand in the way of the power of millions of voices calling for change.”
      ― Barack Obama

      • 58 prettyfoot58
        July 20, 2012 at 10:49 pm


        we just have to get those voices to the polls…

      • 60 vcprezofan2
        July 20, 2012 at 11:11 pm

        I stand behind both of these sentiments, PF & Ison. I feel we are at the point and beyond, where we need to increase the level of our assistance to TRUTH by increasing the volume (in numbers and intensity) of the million voices.

  18. 61 Tally
    July 20, 2012 at 10:25 pm

  19. July 20, 2012 at 10:28 pm

    • 63 Smoothscotch
      July 21, 2012 at 2:00 am

      WOW!!!! Lady, well done. Wouldn’t it be great as an oped in ALL the print media and go viral online.

      These NRA and the Pol. In their pockets are too sad for words.

      This is going to be mean sounded, but too bad it doesn’t happen to all those gun loving nra people. How far will their money take them then?
      Unfortunately, innocent people always get caught in the middle. They know damn well the right to bare arms didn’t mean how far down the rabbit hole these people have taken things.

      Read a book by JDRobb where the setting was in 2050, guns were banned after urban wars. Intimated was the the inequality as cause.

      With the growing/deepening disparity of economics, it all reminds me of the Bolsheviks and also Frances’ revolution.

      The lexicon,

    • 65 jackiegrumbacher
      July 21, 2012 at 7:22 am

      This needs to be a front page headline in every Florida paper.

    • July 21, 2012 at 7:23 am

      Brilliant links, as ever Jovie. Thank you.

  20. 68 lamh35
    July 20, 2012 at 10:31 pm

    my Lord, CNN reporting that suspect had the whole apartment rigged and when he left apt he set a timer so that at midnight the sound system would play “really loud music” enough to possibly trigger a noise complaint and reporting is that if anyone had gone to apt and attempted to get in that there was trip wires and which would detonate the bombs in apartment and would have toppled the whole apartment building.

    My Lord, my Lord.

    • July 20, 2012 at 10:56 pm

      I know. I heard the neighbor who lived below him called the non-emergency number to report the music, then ended up walking up there, pounding on the door, no answer so she put her hand on the knob and decided at the last second to not turn it. That split second decision saved her life, as well as, the lives of many others.

    • 71 yardarm756
      July 20, 2012 at 11:47 pm

      It was designed to keep the police and fire fighters busy while he shot up the theater. He was willing to kill cops too, so it seems.

  21. 72 Ladyhawke
    July 20, 2012 at 10:32 pm



    Columnist Gary Younge (The Nation) attended the National Rifle Association convention in April and reported on what he encountered on Up With Chris Hayes. His report was fascinating and frightening. He made two comments that really stood out to me. First he said there was an overwhelming sense of fear by the attendees that their guns were going to be taken away and that they needed guns for protection. Second, he said the attendees felt that the people who posed the biggest threat to their guns are President Barack Obama, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, Justice Sonia Sotomayor and Attorney General Eric Holder. Mitt Romney spoke at the convention which included a walk-on by Ann Romney.

    Up with Chris Hayes | Aired on April 14, 2012

    Holding Gun Rights Close To The Chest


    Gary Younge, columnist for The Guardian and The Nation, weighs in on America’s gun culture after reporting at the National Rifle Association Convention on Friday, and the Up w/ Chris Hayes panelists talk about the general sense of fear for conservatives that their gun rights would one day be uprooted.



    • 73 desertflower
      July 20, 2012 at 11:11 pm

      Their gun rights are more important than our rights to live in a free and safe society. I see.

      • 74 57andFemale
        July 20, 2012 at 11:58 pm

        Forgot to give you credit in the twee. Let’s see how I can fix that…..

  22. July 20, 2012 at 10:36 pm

    The Obama Camp clearly outraged the Robney camp in June. Everybody news is reporting it, except, the Fucking Ny Times.
    Who- has an article-
    Obama spends more but Robney raises more.

    No where in the article does the June figures of both campaigns arise. But, a whole lot if other figures and you may have to got back to the pythagorean theory to figure it all out…

    Check this bullshit out-



    c is the longest side of the triangle
    a and b are the other two sides…

  23. July 20, 2012 at 10:45 pm

  24. July 20, 2012 at 10:49 pm

  25. 80 Tally
    July 20, 2012 at 11:03 pm

    Dear Karma, Can I please haz a nice sexy, smart, funny, foreign man to fall wildly in love with me, marry me, and get me out of this insane country….. kthx

  26. July 20, 2012 at 11:07 pm

    Fantastic job 57and female. You have enumerated a lot of issues that truly disturb me…’Citizens United’ as well as the
    non-disclosure of donors names being two that are very high on my list. Voter suppression also makes me see red.
    Thank you for this righteous rant.

  27. 89 lamh35
    July 20, 2012 at 11:07 pm

    Lord knows I’m not a Piers Morgan fan, but I did happen to see him take this idjit who tried to throw shade on the discussion about gun control. Piers really did give him the whats to. Even I was like “good on you Piers Morgan, good on you”.

    Here’s video:


    • 92 desertflower
      July 20, 2012 at 11:23 pm

      She told them this under oath. You’re right in more ways than one, 57. More ways than one. I think she purgerd herself.

  28. July 20, 2012 at 11:18 pm

    BRAVO 57andfemale. I stand with you TOD sister.

  29. 94 eveingeorgia
    July 20, 2012 at 11:20 pm

    57ANDFEMALE, WHAT A POWERFUL RANT. I would like to print this out and mail it to everyone I know. Because like @VCPREZ, I feel helpless. I give all that can but I want to do more. So often I feel as if I’m preaching to the choir.

    We all have the will, I just wish we could find a powerful, effective way to communicate what we know to the uninformed and the apathetic.

    Thanks again, 57.

  30. 95 Ladyhawke
    July 20, 2012 at 11:20 pm

    10 of the Biggest Lobbies in Washington



    The NRA has been one of the most consistently influential political lobbies in American politics for the past 30 years, since it first endorsed Ronald Reagan as a presidential candidate. More recently, it spent an $7.2 million during the 2010 elections on so-called private expenditures, messages that advocated or opposed certain political candidates. They even got Chuck Norris to star in an ad for their “Trigger The Vote” campaign, imploring potential voters to register.

    Much of the NRA’s power, however, seems to lie less in its spending and more in its ability to mobilize its members, who are 4 million strong and well-versed in grassroots campaigning. Gun rights are a polarizing issue in America, and can make or break politicians and legislation. Al Gore, for example, lost the 2000 election in his own home state of Tennessee, primarily because of his pro gun-control stance. Even now, fear of reprisals from the NRA is holding up a bill from the Bureau on Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives that would stem gun-trafficking to Mexico, in the hopes of alleviating the current drug war.



  31. 96 desertflower
    July 20, 2012 at 11:29 pm

    Darcy Burner’s statement on the CO shooting and gun violence in the US: h/t to Blog for Arizona

    Darcy Burner is running for Congress in Washington, her third try. She’s currently the president and executive director of ProgressiveCongress.org. She has a post up on Daily Kos, An adult conversation about guns that’s worth reading in full. Here’s an excerpt:

    Earlier today, a gunman walked into a movie theater in Aurora, Colorado, where people were watching the midnight showing of the new Batman movie. He fired gas canisters into the crowd, and then opened fire. At least 12 people are dead and 59 people are injured. My heart and prayers go out to all of them.

    On the day Gabby Giffords was shot, I was picking up my son Henry from a lesson when I got the text message saying there had been a shooting. I’d campaigned with Gabby in 2006. Henry didn’t understand why I’d stopped getting into the car and started crying.

    Walking back from a haircut the other day, I passed Café Racer, where on May 30th a gunman walked in and killed four people.

    It’s time we had an adult conversation in this country about guns.

    On January 17, 1989, a gunman in Stockton, California walked onto a playground and opened fire, killing 5 children and injuring 30 more.

    On July 1, 1993, a gunman in San Francisco walked into a law office and opened fire, killing 8 and injuring 6.

    On April 20, 1999, two gunmen in Columbine, Colorado walked into their high school and opened fire, killing 13 people and injuring 21 others.

    [The list continues with 27 separate incidents]

    As a country, though, we have not had a real conversation about guns in many, many years. The National Rifle Association (NRA) threatens the career of any politician who so much as opens the conversation. As a consequence, our country has not discussed assault weapons – which have no use except killing large numbers of people in massacres like the ones I’ve listed. We have not discussed the fact that anyone can buy a gun at a gun show without any background check, even if they have a history of criminal violence. We have not discussed the expiration of the ban on large clips, which allow shooters to kill more people in a shorter time because they don’t have to reload. We have not discussed what a sensible, rational approach to regulating guns in our country might be.


    It’s time we took steps to stop the mass killings.

    It’s time we had an adult conversation about guns in this country. The NRA can go to hell.

    In deepest sympathy,

    • July 20, 2012 at 11:39 pm

      Leave it to Darcy to make this political. You have no idea how badly we all need for her to lose next month and take her lectures somewhere else.

      • 98 desertflower
        July 20, 2012 at 11:49 pm

        I have no idea who she is. I have heard her name before, but that’s about it….I have my hands full just keeping track of all the fools in AZ..

  32. 99 desertflower
    July 20, 2012 at 11:38 pm

    And yet another, that echoed my thoughts about responsibility


    Here is a statement from the Violence Policy Center about the Colorado shootings. It’s signed by a number of national, state and local organizations, including Arizonans for Gun Safety.

    Over 30 National, State, and Local Gun Violence Prevention Groups Issue Statement on Colorado Mass Shooting

    Washington, DC–Following today’s mass shooting at a Colorado movie theater leaving at least 12 dead and dozens wounded, national, state, and local gun violence prevention organizations (see list at bottom) issued the following joint statement:

    “Our deepest sympathies go to all those affected by this terrible tragedy.

    “Today’s mass shooting is the price paid in death, pain, and suffering by families and communities for an out-of-control, militarized gun industry that prides itself on selling increasingly lethal products to virtually anyone with little concern for the inevitable tragedies that result. In America today–where virtually anyone with a credit card and a grudge can outfit their own personal army–mass shootings are as predictable as they are tragic. Just as predictably, those who celebrate this lethal shift–the NRA and its gun industry partners–remain mute when families and communities suffer the consequences. And when attention fades, they’ll once again resume their lethal trade, unless we stand together as Americans to stop them.

    Gun violence is preventable. It is long past time for policymakers at all levels to act. Americans have a right to feel safe in their communities–in schools, restaurants, movie theaters, and all public places. Using the cynical desires of the gun lobby and firearms industry as an excuse for inaction is shameful.”

  33. 100 prettyfoot58
    July 20, 2012 at 11:44 pm

    Goooooooood Night…TOD….

    rest easy….

  34. 101 carolyn
    July 20, 2012 at 11:52 pm

    57andfemale…..absolutely spot on. You hit the points that need to be hit. When will our country wake up? Many of the people who will be hurt the most with Romney and/or a Republican Congress will fall right in line with them like sheep. Sad for the rest of us, but you have shown that we can’t give up. Extremely cogent and well argued.

  35. July 20, 2012 at 11:53 pm

    Good night, sweet dreams, if dreams there be. I am beat. Love you all.

  36. July 20, 2012 at 11:56 pm

    Oh, ok.! I wont watch then!

  37. 106 desertflower
    July 21, 2012 at 12:21 am

    Nonetheless, we have become so gun loving, so gun crazy, so blasé about home-grown violence that far more Americans have been casualties of domestic gunfire than have died in all our wars combined. In Arizona last year, just days after the Gabby Giffords shooting, sales of the weapon used in the slaughter – a 9 millimeter Glock semi-automatic pistol – doubled.

    We are fooling ourselves. Fooling ourselves that the law could allow even an inflamed lunatic to easily acquire murderous weapons and not expect murderous consequences. Fooling ourselves that the Second Amendment’s guarantee of a “well-regulated militia” be construed as a God-given right to purchase and own just about any weapon of destruction you like, a license for murder and mayhem. A great fraud has entered our history.

    • 107 desertflower
      July 21, 2012 at 12:23 am

      More…The gunman in Colorado waited only for his opportunity. So there you have it – the arsenal of democracy has been transformed into the arsenal of death. And the NRA? The NRA is the enabler of death — paranoid, delusional and as venomous as a scorpion. With the weak-kneed acquiescence of our politicians, the National Rifle Association has turned the Second Amendment of the Constitution into a cruel and deadly hoax.

      • 108 vcprezofan2
        July 21, 2012 at 12:55 am

        And while families mourn, the NRA raises funds! Good Night all, this is a day that I don’t intend to stretch out. Wishing you all a restful sleep! VC

      • 109 Walking_on_ Sunshine
        July 21, 2012 at 2:22 am

        It will only end when people demand that it ends. People need to wake up. How many more innocents need to die? When the NRA are exposed as the dealers in death that they really are their power will diminish, but people have to want that. The NRA should stop calling themselves the National Rifleman’s Association. If all they were doing is selling rifles we wouldn’t have this problem. They lost the right to that name when they embraced hand guns and assault weapons and easy access for all. They are the promoters of death for profit. It’s pretty transparent what they are up to. Pretending that the President wants to take away hunting rights is bullshit that anyone with half a brain can see through. They are nothing but an extension of the GOP. I find it ironic that the Brady campaign was started because of the attack on Ronald Reagan and yet it’s the Reagan worshipers that disrespect him by embracing this death for profit organization.
        I’m sad for the victims but I’m also disgusted because I see this repeated again and again. It’s uncivilized and heartless and nothing ever gets done about it. I think it’s entirely appropriate to make it political because that’s the only way it will ever be solved. And I’m sick and tired of hearing about the “Pro-life movement”. I see very little in their mindset that qualifies as pro life.
        End of.

      • 110 anniebella
        July 21, 2012 at 7:43 am

        The blood of those people killed are on the hands of the NRA.

  38. 111 ChristiMTL
    July 21, 2012 at 1:05 am

    …..I just ready many many comments that I missed earlier, just got home…..I have steam coming out of my ears at the moment reading about Jonathan Alter’s comment……of all the nerves.

    Anyone who imply that the first black president lack courage is a moron or a racist or both.

    • 112 anniebella
      July 21, 2012 at 7:47 am

      Jonathan Alter has some kind of problem, maybe he thought he was going to be an insider to the WH and he isn’t so he has turn nasty, personal. Alter is a dam idiot and I don’t read or listen to his B.S. any more.

  39. 113 Smoothscotch
    July 21, 2012 at 2:32 am

    Alter, enff said. Goodnight all and God bless, keep safe.

  40. 114 Bill R.
    July 21, 2012 at 2:39 am

    I truly believe that we can use consumer power to boycott businesses that are unsafe, states and public places that are unsafe, and to refuse to buy products from corporations that promote a lack of public safety with their open opposition to public safety and rational gun regulation. Let’s be real. That shooter was not violating the law until he threw the tear gas bombs and began shooting. In many parts of this country anyone can go anywhere armed and ready to shoot without any protection for others who share that space.

  41. 115 susanne
    July 21, 2012 at 5:19 am

    ‘firearm deaths are significantly lower in states with stricter gun control legislation.’


  42. July 21, 2012 at 7:08 am

    Good Morning Everyone. . .

  43. 118 Beaglemom
    July 21, 2012 at 8:37 am

    I agree. The makers of radio or television political advertisements should have to face a hefty fine if the content is not true. We own the airways after all. These commercials should be advocating positions that the candidate has or real differences between the candidates. In the end an election should not be decided because one party has outspent the other on advertising. There should be opportunities for candidates to address their policy ideas and goals on radio and television but they should be willing to be held accountable for lies and deliberate misinformation. And the members of the media should also have to be accountable for their lies. Obviously this means that Fox News would be off the air forever almost immediately. . . .

    • 119 57andFemale
      July 21, 2012 at 11:24 am

      http://www.flackcheck.org/ They specifically work to get broadcasters to pull ads that are untrue. Unfortunately, they’re part of FactCheck, who haven’t been very fair to PBO, but at least this is the work they’re doing.

      It feels horrible. It feels like we’re fighting up this enormous mountain. But are we going to get anywhere unless we indeed fight?

      I never fathomed at 62 years old with a 72 year old husband that I would be fighting for the soul of America.

  44. July 21, 2012 at 3:14 pm

    Tell it is 57andFemale! These Sobs do their dirty work anonymously, while in the meantime we the people have to disclose who we are, where we live, what we do for a living, and account for every penny we donate. In Michigan the Repubs tried and failed to enact new regressive voter ID laws, they also tried and failed to commit election fraud, but they got caught. I love my President, the man doesn’t have a hateful bone in his body, he is a better person than I am. I can’t wait to vote for Barack Obama again, but I will also be going to the polls this November brimming over with disgust for the GOP.

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