This and That



Boston Globe


Obama’s campaign counsel Bob Bauer seemed to suggest on a campaign media conference call just now that Romney might have broken the law:

“Scores of filings, literally scores of filings, that make it very, very clear that, over a period of a time that Governor Romney claims he was not active with Bain, the Securities and Exchange Commission was informed…that, ‘W. Mitt Romney, an individual, is the sole stockholder, chairman of the board, chief executive officer, and president of the particular Bain entity in question.'”

If, in fact, as he now claims, that he was in fact not active with the company, he was not the controlling person that is described here, that means these statements are false. And, as I said, there are very, very serious legal consequences that would follow.”


Media Bistro: “CBS This Morning” co-anchor Charlie Rose will interview President Obama and First Lady Michelle Obama today. Highlights of the interview will air tomorrow across all CBS News programming, with the full interview airing Sunday on “CBS Sunday Morning” and Monday on “CBS This Morning.”


433 Responses to “This and That”

  1. 1 Carol
    July 12, 2012 at 1:03 pm

    It’s a good day!

  2. 4 Proud Former White House Intern
    July 12, 2012 at 1:03 pm

    Hey now

  3. 5 Dudette
    July 12, 2012 at 1:03 pm

    Is it just me or does anyone else find it interesting how VP Biden didn’t look uncomfortable at all around THOSE people, compared to yesterday’s guest speaker?

    • 6 utaustinliberal
      July 12, 2012 at 1:28 pm

      That’s because VP Biden knows African-Americans are equal to him in every way. That’s because he knows they are not inferior. That’s because he has joyfully interacted with them all his life. That’s because he recognizes the historical and important significance of the NAACP for ALL races, ages, and genders. Finally, that’s because he wasn’t indoctrinated in a religion that taught him to discriminate, hate, and be prejudiced against African-Americans for centuries.

      • 7 theo67
        July 12, 2012 at 1:30 pm

        Well said.

        • 8 miss pat
          July 12, 2012 at 2:17 pm

          Amen. I would like to see a close-up of the attendees today. I’d like for it to be put beside the one from yesterday so we can look at the expressions and body languages. We didn’t boo the VP because we know he is on our side. What a contrast those two pictures will make when Chips get around to posting them.

            • 11 miss pat
              July 12, 2012 at 3:46 pm

              What a iffernce a day makes! So the two women have a defferent body language today. Goes to show you what a good man Biden is. He brings out the best in people. Thanks ctgirl.

              • 12 HZ
                July 12, 2012 at 8:54 pm

                One (well really all) thing Mitt Romney missed when he walked into that convention yesterday was he was Not speaking to people who have not worked hard to get a decent education, helped someone else get one as well, and are holding some of the high and notable great jobs in their communities.

                One note, the young lady who introduced, VPBiden is the youngest Chairwoman who has served as Chairwoman for the NAACP. She graduated with high honors from one of theoldest and well known educational institutions in our country. She is just one. So , I felt that Mitt and so many people forget to look at African Americans, especially with such narrow lens, and that is not fair.

                That audience was not a group of people looking for “free stuff” just fair and equal opportunities in this country. I better stopped before I get too personal. I know so many of those young men and woman who are working very actively in the NAACP to make this a better nation for all people. this is personal for me and for may family and their friends. And these young people are of all ethnic groups. I know them. So Mitt missed an opportunity yesterday to be a leader. But we have two great and decent leaders already, President Barack Obama and VP Joe Biden.who attended that convention(especially) young people who are very professional , active, and are working their behinds off for All people.

                So, VP Biden received back what he has already given to the beautiful human race. The people know VPBiden, what he stands for and how well he has worked for years to make the scales balance for all. That is why they did not want him to leave. Did you hear that? I love our POTUS and our VPOTUS. Moving FORWARD. HZ

                • 13 Dudette
                  July 12, 2012 at 9:05 pm

                  Excellent point HZ!

                  • 14 HZ
                    July 12, 2012 at 9:29 pm

                    Please excuse the many mistakes in my comments. Meds are working, but that is no excuse to insult the brilliant writers within my TOD Family.

                    Do not worry, I will be fine. Just the pain is hitting where it should have hit on Wed., according to my doctors. Let us just keep working, and doing what we need to do for Nov. 6, 2012. I will be fine. We all will be fine. Moving FORWARD. (((((( Love my family here))))))) HZ

                    Oh that petition for the Disclose Act to be voted on next week( I was contacted by one of my Senators and Chairman Leahy.) I posted the spread the word on Twitter just a few moments ago. Love you all.HZ


                    • 15 miss pat
                      July 12, 2012 at 9:33 pm

                      Rest and take care HZ. We need your input but we need you to get well. We all love us some HZ.

  4. 17 yardarm756
    July 12, 2012 at 1:04 pm


  5. 18 japa21
    July 12, 2012 at 1:08 pm

    Okay, despite rumors to the contrary, I am occassionally a worrywart. I wonder if Romney isn’t being hit too hard too early. There is a thing called unintended consequences. So let’s look at a scenario.

    More and more bad stuff comes out about Romney. The powers that be (the Koch brothers, et al) get together and make Romney an offer he can’t refuse and he withdraws his name from consideration for the nomination. Obviously, someone has to win the candidacy. Let’s now assume that that person, although still RW, comes across as more reasonable and less slimey than Romney. Could that ultimately be a game changer?

    Remember, the whole Republcian stratgy is to tear down PBO, not to promote a specific candidate. Romney has been his own worst enemy. If somebody else comes on the scene in August, would it not make it easier for people to vote for that person where they would have ahd trouble voting for Romney? I am not talking about a Santorum or any of the other clown car inhabitants from the primaries.

    This is just a thought exercise, nothing more.

    • July 12, 2012 at 1:14 pm

      japa, it would be a civil war within the GOP and you better believe that after 8 years of campaigning, #BullyMitt would show all his BULLY traits, ‘on steroids’ … they’d be hard pressed to get 20 % of the votes on 6 Nov if their convention turns into a slug fest among a bunch of entitled white guys and a pack of white crazies led by Rand and Ron, etc.

      Just say’n 🙂

    • 20 Martha
      July 12, 2012 at 1:16 pm

      No it is not too early, you have to define him so going forward he won’t be believe. And plus with the Olympics the country will be distracted. It is perfect timing. We have 3 months of economic data to get through, so the earlier we define mitt the better.

    • July 12, 2012 at 1:16 pm

      That scenario already happened. It’s called the Republican primaries.

      I get what you’re saying. I don’t agree with those who think the Obama campaign isn’t hitting hard enough or sending the right message. This is a long game and one that has to build to a crescendo in November. But circumstances have prevailed and this is a very big bad day for Romney. However, I don’t see him stepping aside WHATSOEVER unless he is charged with a felony and frog-marched into oblivion, which wouldn’t unfold for months anyway.

      Press on!!

    • 22 Lorraine
      July 12, 2012 at 1:19 pm

      Death from a thousands cuts. Hit early and often. You don’t ignore your opponents, you define them. In the words of Chucky Toad in June of 2010 when the tea baggers where taking over the Republican Party, “the cake is already baked.” The cake has been baked for Mittens he won’t be able to recover from the hits of truth from the Obama campaign.

    • 24 isonprize
      July 12, 2012 at 1:34 pm

      to play out your scenario, who would be a person that would/could unite the different factions within the Re-thuglican party at that late date?

      • 25 utaustinliberal
        July 12, 2012 at 1:51 pm

        Oh please….please….please…let it be Newt aka Angry Muffin or Santorum aka Sick Rantorum.

    • 26 miss pat
      July 12, 2012 at 2:22 pm

      There is nobody they can find that can beat our President. Romney is tearing himself down with his lies and his flip-flops. All the President has to do is show-up, shake his or any fool that they send up there to run against him and smile and let them hang themselves. Christie has a temper, he’ll implode or explode. I can’t think of anyone on their side that will make an impact.

    • 27 Debz
      July 12, 2012 at 2:40 pm

      They are just getting started. They are going to put out info in bits and pieces every week or so, mostly because our “media” has a short attentions span, and they are always trying to protect Romney. If this info keeps coming out, eventually, our corporate media will have to take notice. There is no doubt in my mind that the O campaign has much more more devastating info and will drop a bomb in October.

    • 28 57andfemale
      July 12, 2012 at 2:41 pm

      I have to disagree. For the first time, I see Dem’s getting ahead of the narrative, of doing the defining instead of just reacting. I think it’s not only the right move, but critically important. For too long (and frankly for the first two years of the PBO presidency) we didn’t do that. We let them define us, take ownership of our issues, fill the air with lies and we were left to react.

      The Republicans are not going to kick Romney out of the nomination. Besides, the only way that would happen is from the right and I would happy for PBO to take on a dyed-ion-the-wool RWNJ as a candidate.

      We got some Republican votes because they were scared of Palin. They will be equally scared of anything OTHER than Romney.

      Besides, I think that’s all moot — Republicans are highly motivated to vote, no matter what. They hate the black guy, but don’t be fooled. Next to the black guy they hate the Clintons just as much and would have been just as motivated to vote against Hillary.

      Our problem is that a small sliver of the electorate is motivated by long term rightwing goals. And our side must be in love and must be given the right chocolates on Valentine’s Day, and have all of their feelings respected or they’ll either tune out or ‘send a message’.

      Our biggest challenge is getting the lazy majority that chooses to remain silent, get their asses in gear and VOTE.

    • 29 purpleshoesla
      July 12, 2012 at 2:48 pm

      Bringing over my reply to your post from the previous thread:

      Interesting. In thinking this scenario through though, I guess my question(s) is/are realistically speaking who exactly would that more reasonable RW but less slimey person be in the GOP? Tapping someone from the group that is supposedly sitting this cycle out to to run in 2016? Like Jeb Bush? Jindal? Mitch Daniels? Maybe the retiring Olympia Snowe? All who bring there own baggage to the table. Is there someone currently in the GOP party that can even come across as more reasonable right now but still RW that can quickly and easily replace Romney and step into the national spotlight without causing more controversy by doing this?

      The entire party has the taint of RW extremism hanging around their necks. And if there is someone out there, how do they credibly make that pivot to the “more reasonable GOP” choice at the 11th hour when every member of the party is lockstep in implementing the party of no strategy, obstructing jobs, healthcare, ginning up for war with Iran, etc. It would be like slamming on the brakes when the car is going at high speed, non? Seems like it would be a hot mess, but perhaps accelerating the timetable for the implosion of the party as the “reasonable” RWs and the “nutter” RWs fight amongst themselves. And then there’s Ron Paul is his delegate amassing strategy trying to throw a kink in the process at the convention next month–altho I suppose the Kochroaches could likely “make him an offer he couldn’t refuse”. I don’t think such an individual exists in the GOP. Reasonable but still RW seems like an oxymoron before you even get to the slimey part.

    • July 12, 2012 at 4:53 pm


      Your scenario seems a little farfetched. Not saying that it couldn’t happen, but if it happened it would be far more damaging to the Repubs than to the Dems. It would mean that the Repubs would have to introduce a whole new character to the American people. There are only around 4 months left for campaigning before the elections.

      Sleep well, donate what you can, encourage others to vote, correct misperceptions about Obama, etc. Don’t worry about something that has a very small chance of happening.

    • 31 nathkatun7
      July 12, 2012 at 6:14 pm

      Your take has a great deal of merit. The number one goal of the Republican party is to defeat President Obama. If Mitt Romney becomes a major liability, whereby the party’s main priority may not be achieved, I think that it’s not far fetched to speculate that the party would want him out of the way. The big question, of course, is who would be the person that the party would turn too? Another problem is — with the election less than four months away — would the a replacement candidate have time to put together an effective campaign team? I suppose with all the money they have amassed anything is possible. Right now, though, I think the GOP is stuck with Romney. Obviously, your scenario could instantly materialize if there is evidence that Romney may have violated some laws.

      • 32 Walking_on_ Sunshine
        July 12, 2012 at 8:49 pm

        I like the phrase you just used and suggest that in the event this does happen we should all refer to the new nominee as “The Replacement Candidate” I’m not saying that this will happen but it’s a good phrase just in case. Makes the person sound slightly less than desirable. Second choice.

  6. 33 Dudette
    July 12, 2012 at 1:08 pm

    CSPAN has the whole speech posted

    I missed it, — will listen to it this afternoon. I’m so loving that they played EWF’s “Shining Star” to introduce him. 🙂

  7. July 12, 2012 at 1:11 pm

  8. 35 cluny
    July 12, 2012 at 1:14 pm

    The plot tickens or more Bain pain:


    If there is a link to deals made with companies who did favours for the Olympics it could certainly get more complicated.

    Also Dudette is spot on ” ‘compare and contrast’ (also the many others who have made this point here) We must always present as a choice btwn the two men running for the Presidency in every way we can think of.

  9. 36 amk for obama
    July 12, 2012 at 1:15 pm

    More screws being turned on.

    • 37 HZ
      July 12, 2012 at 9:02 pm

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      I received several from Senators to sign. Spread the word and get family and friends to find out about this Act and sign the petition. Thank you all so much.HZ

      • 38 GGail
        July 12, 2012 at 9:18 pm

        Hello HZ, I received my email from our Senator Barbara Boxer. I, of course signed it and email it to several family & friends across the country.

        love you!

  10. 39 Ladyhawke
    July 12, 2012 at 1:15 pm


    All Pants on Fire! statements involving Mitt Romney




    Worth noting that Mitt Romney holds the record for Politifact Pants-On-Fire record http://awe.sm/a1BmI

  11. 40 amk for obama
    July 12, 2012 at 1:15 pm

    • July 12, 2012 at 1:28 pm

    • 42 a night owl
      July 12, 2012 at 1:46 pm

      Does America really want a President who doesn’t understand the documents he signs?

      • 43 a night owl
        July 12, 2012 at 1:57 pm

        This is what a Romney Presidency will be like. He is merely the front man: a face and a name, signing whatever is put in front of him, collecting the rewards and the limelight. But the real decision makers (and their objectives) will remain behind the scenes, anonymous.

        • 44 Ladyhawke
          July 12, 2012 at 2:16 pm


          Is Mitt Romney so weak he won’t be able to stand up to Congress?

          by David Frum Feb 13, 2012 9:45 AM EST


          They have reconciled themselves to a Romney candidacy because they see Romney as essentially a weak and passive president who will concede leadership to congressional conservatives:

          All we have to do is replace Obama. … We are not auditioning for fearless leader. We don’t need a president to tell us in what direction to go. We know what direction to go. We want the Ryan budget. … We just need a president to sign this stuff. We don’t need someone to think it up or design it. The leadership now for the modern conservative movement for the next 20 years will be coming out of the House and the Senate.

          The requirement for president?

          Pick a Republican with enough working digits to handle a pen to become president of the United States. This is a change for Republicans: the House and Senate doing the work with the president signing bills. His job is to be captain of the team, to sign the legislation that has already been prepared.



          • 45 purpleshoesla
            July 12, 2012 at 2:56 pm

            Yep. Randi Rhodes had this soundbite from Norquist on a continuous loop several months ago..

  12. July 12, 2012 at 1:16 pm


  13. July 12, 2012 at 1:17 pm

    The 99% SuperPAC, one family ‘tip jar’ after another … 🙂

  14. 48 amk for obama
    July 12, 2012 at 1:21 pm

    From bj poster Turgidson: (you gotta read this hilarious thread)


    The campaign’s statement about the GOP’s “zomg Chavez!” hissy fit yesterday was also quite good:

    “Because of President Obama’s leadership, our position in the Americas is much stronger today than before he took office. At the same time, Hugo Chavez has become increasingly marginalized and his influence has waned. It’s baffling that Mitt Romney is so scared of a leader like Chavez whose power is fading, while Romney continues to remain silent about how to confront al-Qaeda or how to bring our troops home from Afghanistan. People like Hugo Chavez want attention—and that’s exactly what Mitt Romney and his supporters gave him today. Governor Romney is only playing into the hands of Chavez by acting like he’s ten feet tall.”

    Eat that rethugs.

  15. 49 utaustinliberal
    July 12, 2012 at 1:21 pm

  16. 53 Don
    July 12, 2012 at 1:21 pm

    Romney has too many flanks to protect against Team Chicago, in fact Romney is being carpet bombed.

  17. July 12, 2012 at 1:26 pm


  18. 62 ChristiMTL
    July 12, 2012 at 1:29 pm

    FactCheck.org is standing by their assessment that Mitt Romney did not actively manage Bain Capital after February 1999, despite today’s Boston Globe report that he was CEO there until 2002.

    “We see little new in the Globe piece. So far nobody has shown that Romney was actually managing Bain (even part-time) during his time at the Olympics, or that he was anything but a passive, absentee owner during that time, as both Romney and Bain have long said,” Brooks Jackson, a co-author of the FactCheck piece, told POLITICO today.

    • 63 desertflower
      July 12, 2012 at 1:33 pm

      Would this be the same FactCheck that no longer has any credibility because the word “fact” in the name is a misnomer? They wouldn’t recognize a fact if it hit them in the face with a pinnochio nose!

    • 70 Bill R.
      July 12, 2012 at 2:50 pm

      Factcheck does say, however, BainMitt is in a double bind. If he wasn’t really the CEO and 100% owner of company, then he lied on the SEC forms which is a felony.

      • 71 susanne
        July 12, 2012 at 5:37 pm

        you said it short and sweet: if he wasn’t ceo and in charge of bain, then he lied to the sec, which is a felony.

  19. July 12, 2012 at 1:32 pm

  20. 73 desertflower
    July 12, 2012 at 1:36 pm

    Oh man! I love it when Dems have their shit together.


    Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) said Thursday that new revelations about Mitt Romney’s tenure at Bain Capital mean he’d have trouble gaining Senate approval for pretty much any job.

    “He not only couldn’t be confirmed as a cabinet secretary, he couldn’t be confirmed as dog catcher,” Reid told reporters at a Capitol press briefing, in response to a question from TPM. “Because a dog catcher, you’re at least going to want to look at his income tax returns.”

    “The long report that we have in the Boston Globe today indicates that, as one of his own employees said, it doesn’t make sense,” Reid continued. “He said he left Bain to go to the Winter Olympics in Salt Lake City and stopped any association with Bain. But his SEC filings indicated that he was Chief Executive Officer, sole stockholder, and ran the corporation for at least 3 more years. And that’s why people who say there’s been advertisements where businesses were closed, people laid off – and he says oh I wasn’t there, I left in 1999. As his own operative said, it doesn’t make sense. And it doesn’t.”

  21. 79 Ladyhawke
    July 12, 2012 at 1:37 pm


    Giving Chavez what he wants

    By Steve Benen


    In response, the Obama campaign issued a statement that rang true:

    “Because of President Obama’s leadership, our position in the Americas is much stronger today than before he took office. At the same time, Hugo Chavez has become increasingly marginalized and his influence has waned. It’s baffling that Mitt Romney is so scared of a leader like Chavez whose power is fading, while Romney continues to remain silent about how to confront al-Qaeda or how to bring our troops home from Afghanistan. People like Hugo Chavez want attention — and that’s exactly what Mitt Romney and his supporters gave him today. Governor Romney is only playing into the hands of Chavez by acting like he’s ten feet tall.”

    Romney has struggled badly to understand the basics of foreign policy, but trying to score campaign points by boosting Hugo Chavez was a deeply misguided thing to do.



  22. 80 amk for obama
    July 12, 2012 at 1:38 pm

  23. 83 desertflower
    July 12, 2012 at 1:39 pm


    Let’s fix some infrastructure! Build some railroads! Broadband! Windfarms!

  24. 84 Squarepeg
    July 12, 2012 at 1:40 pm

    Sigh…I love you, VP Biden. 🙂

  25. 85 Nena20409
    July 12, 2012 at 1:43 pm

    Talkingpointsmemo has a link to VP Biden’s speech at NAACP event. Just in case, TODville is still looking for it.

  26. 86 Bill
    July 12, 2012 at 1:44 pm

    Mrs. Greenspan is allowing Bay Buchanan to defend Willard by talking about Staples with no push back. Now she is going to a discussion of Tom Crews. Riviting reporting.

    • July 12, 2012 at 1:56 pm

      Noticed they dug up Bay for an attempt at damage control. Desperation. Where’s her bro? Maybe he wants to help in this regard? Too racist?
      So many shameful decisions in our news media. Falling over backwards, and looking ridiculous doing it, trying to give Willard cover.
      And why is CBS WH reporter, the Not Snark Knoller, with all that is going on, solely and obsessively fixated on the presidential seal. Multiple tweets on this not important subject. Goofy and indicative of a complete lack of common sense.

  27. 88 Linda
    July 12, 2012 at 1:44 pm

    Norah O’Donnell : ” Are you calling Mitt Romney a liar ? ”

    Newt: ” Yes “

    • 89 theo67
      July 12, 2012 at 2:39 pm

      Norah’s credibility (what little was left of it after her fawning over sarah palin) was shred to pieces over that feigned outrage. She should have retreated to a quiet corner.

    • 90 Ladyhawke
      July 12, 2012 at 3:08 pm

      Gingrich: Mitt Romney is a liar


      NOTE: The shucking and jiving coming from Norah and Bob is just remarkable. Meanwhile, Norah is shocked that Newt Gingrich calls Mitt Romney a liar. As Steve Benen said at the time, as “journalists” Norah and Bob should have been pointing out that Mitt Romney clearly does not speak the truth. Isn’t that what journalists are supposed to do? This has to be one of the most embarrassing interviews I have ever seen on television. They are accomplices in Mitt Romney’s disinformation campaign.

  28. 91 FiredUpInCA
    July 12, 2012 at 1:46 pm

    Regardless of whether Factcheck.og or anyone else believes Mitt left in 1999, the larger question is, what do all of MItt’s explanations tell us about how he would be President?

    From what we’ve seen, what may be an okay standard of professionalism for the CEO of a vampire capitalist firm, is simply not good enough to be President of the United States.

    You can’t absolve yourself of presidential responsibility by saying you weren’t involved in the day-to-day decision making. You can’t take a leave of absence to work on a single project as Mitt did when he “quit” Bain to do the Olympics. (See McCain suspends campaign to focus on the economy.)

    As President, when you have your name on federal documents you can’t later dismiss them as technical quirks when they are scrutinized.

    Even if we take Mitt at his word, which is never a good idea, his explanations for how he ran things as a CEO, disqualify him to be the chief executive of the nation.

  29. 93 amk for obama
    July 12, 2012 at 1:47 pm

  30. 95 desertflower
    July 12, 2012 at 1:47 pm

    And as MItt complains about the “poors” wanting “free stuff”…there’s always this (MOJO)


    Romney told attendees at a fundraiser in Montana on Wednesday to tell their friends that “if they want more stuff from government, tell them to go vote for the other guy — more free stuff.”

    The Globe notes that after he claims to have left, Romney “continued to draw a six-figure salary from Bain Capital.” Does that count as “free stuff?”

    Fuck you, WIllard.

  31. 98 desertflower
    July 12, 2012 at 1:59 pm

    And this: http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2010-09/29/content_11361319.htm

    Jailed tycoon loses battle for Gome

    In June 2009, US private equity company Bain Capital purchased $233 million in Gome bonds that were later converted into shares, giving it the right to appoint three of the company’s directors.

    Huang was concerned about the option plan proposed by Bain that could dilute his shares but his attempt in May 2010 to block the three directors was overruled by the board.

    One week later, Huang was sentenced to 14 years in prison at a Beijing court. The ruling was upheld on Aug 31.

    Chen Huanzhong, a partner at Global Law Office in Beijing, said that owners of private enterprises in China needed to realize that when they decide to float their companies they should be prepared to share the benefits with other investors.

    Huang built the business up from scratch and at its peak his fortune was estimated at $6.3 billion.

    Born into poverty, Huang moved to Beijing from his hometown in southern China and built a fortune selling televisions, air conditioners, washing machines and other accessories of a modern, affluent lifestyle.

    But his fortunes dipped after he branched into real estate and financial dealings.

    Busy investing in China…..

    • 99 99ts
      July 12, 2012 at 10:03 pm

      df – I’m reading this late (after staying up until 2am in my world to listen to Joe Biden) – but I find it horrifying that the tentacles of this company are causing such grief world wide – that Mitt Romney is considered fit to be President of the USA is indeed a scary thought, not only for the US, but for the rest of the world.

  32. 100 utaustinliberal
    July 12, 2012 at 2:01 pm

  33. 101 desertflower
    July 12, 2012 at 2:11 pm


    House Committee Votes To Take Food Stamps Away From Millions Of Low-Income Americans

    They want MILLIONS in more tax breaks…don’t allow people to EAT

  34. July 12, 2012 at 2:11 pm

    MSNBC seems to be in full damage control for Romney, showing his denial of the Boston Globe story, keep referencing fact checkers who support his version of leaving Bain in ’99, letting Romney spokesperson go on and on and on and on with no challenge. Other 2 guests got 1 sentence each—-sub host on Tamron’s show.

    • 103 ChristiMTL
      July 12, 2012 at 2:22 pm

      I noticed!! so typical……..I’m going tweet your sentence if you don’t mind.

    • July 12, 2012 at 2:35 pm

      This channel must have relatives of Uncle Tom! It’s all they hire and they interview way more Black conservatives, who ate supportive of Robney, than any other channel.
      I don’t get it?
      Unless, they are trying to disuade Black voters, from voting for the President???

    • July 12, 2012 at 10:11 pm

      MSNBC has a great primetime lineup though. From Bashir to O’Donnell, they’re pretty sharp and don’t hold back against Romneybot 2.0.

  35. 106 amk for obama
    July 12, 2012 at 2:12 pm

    • 107 amk for obama
      July 12, 2012 at 2:15 pm

      If you were involved in Icelandic high finance in the runup to the recession, you might want to start watching your back.

      That’s because the government has appointed a white collar crime bounty hunter who wants to haul your behind in (alive, to be sure).

      LeMonde reporter Charlotte Chabas has a profile of Ólafur Þór Hauksson, a former local police lieutenant whom the Iceland government appointed to track down individuals likely to have helped sink the country’s banking sector during the credit crunch.

      Hauksson’s job description, according to PressEurop’s translation of the piece:

      “On one hand, we have to investigate all suspicion of fraud and offences committed before 2009, on the other hand, we bring the lawsuits against the suspects to court ourselves,” Hauksson explains. This is a ‘totally new’ method which allows the investigators to “follow the case” and the judicial system to “know the cases like the back of their hand”. This is indispensable in order “to compete with the well-prepared defence attorneys”.

  36. July 12, 2012 at 2:13 pm

  37. 114 amk for obama
    July 12, 2012 at 2:18 pm

    Gunnite folks. Today was fun. Looking forward to more drip, drip from the campaign.

  38. 116 desertflower
    July 12, 2012 at 2:23 pm

    Since Romney started at Bain in 1977, adding 25 years would have meant he left in 2002 according to his own count.

    So Mitt, about those tax returns…

    • 118 4morefor44
      July 12, 2012 at 2:39 pm

      funny how “fact” check. org said in a double check that “they see no evidence” that the mittbot is lying about this…except his own words and several years of his own securities filings. i wonder if his taxes from this timeframe also show all this. yep, “fact” check, no evidence at all! move along, nothing to see here, right “fact” check?

    • 120 Nena20409
      July 12, 2012 at 2:46 pm

      Romney can run, but he can not hide, No matter how hard his Uber wealthy friends and the national media want him to do well.

      Harvey Wienstein said it correctly. Romney is a bad product.

      Then there is Karma. Romney is about to get a strong visit from Karma.

    • 121 susanne
      July 12, 2012 at 6:06 pm

      ‘i’ve been in the same church my entire life…’

      here’s a little joke from my husband:

      so, daddy romney bounced little mitt on his knee and said, son, we’re mormons, we worship at the mormon church. but little mitt thought he said, ‘mammon’, and he’s devoutly worshiped mammon ever since.

  39. 123 Ladyhawke
    July 12, 2012 at 2:28 pm

    If Mitt Romney were running a “post-truth” campaign, would the political press even report it?

    By Jay Rosen


    I think there’s ample evidence that the Romney forces have figured much of this out. And so even though we have a political press that believes itself to be a savvy judge of campaign strategy, here is one strategy that will go unnamed and un-described because (and this may be the cleverest part of the strategy!…) a post-truth campaign for president falls into the category of too big to tell.

    Meaning: It feels too partisan. It exposes the press to too much criticism. It messes with the “both sides do it” narrative that political journalists have mastered… and deeply believe in. And so Romney will be fact checked, his campaign will push back from time to time, the fact checkers will argue among themselves, and the post-truth premise will sneak into common practice without penalty or recognition, even though there is nothing covert about it.



    (h/t) xpostfactoid ‏@xpostfactoid1
    Jay Rosen has four new “Romney Rules” http://jayrosen.tumblr.com/post/270603983

    • 124 4morefor44
      July 12, 2012 at 2:35 pm

      it’s been that way for 30 years at least. it’s nice that more and more people are understanding how it works and why. the people who own the media are pulling all the strings. don henley wrote the song “dirty laundry” around 1980. nothing new happening, just people seeing it, which is great news for the future!

  40. July 12, 2012 at 2:29 pm

    Ironic that the news is using Bidens speech to distract Viewers, away from Robney Bain tenure! And how the President was not at the NAACP, means bad news for Obama!

    • 130 Linda
      July 12, 2012 at 2:33 pm

      My son had TeaNN on and they are talking about that every segment…..I turned it off.

      • 131 COS
        July 12, 2012 at 2:42 pm

        CNN repeats the same stories over and over and over throughout the day. At least that is what happens when I am waiting at the airport. I am sure this plays into their ratings tanking. I look at their news crawler early in the morning to see what is trending, and that is pretty much my dealing with CNN.

    • 132 Lorraine
      July 12, 2012 at 2:38 pm

      CNN should be still embarrassed from their shotty reporting on the ACA decision from the Supremes.

      • 133 susanne
        July 12, 2012 at 6:09 pm

        is that a combination of ‘shitty’ and ‘shoddy’? it’s a terrific word, and perfect for describing cnn!

  41. July 12, 2012 at 2:35 pm
    • 135 desertflower
      July 12, 2012 at 2:39 pm

      AND ITS WRONG, TOO! Big time wrong!

      • 136 japa21
        July 12, 2012 at 2:42 pm

        What isn’t mentioned there is that almost all of those issues where PBO is stronger rank above the deficit in people’s minds. And trust me, by the time the debates are over, PBO will be on top in that category as well.

    • 138 Nena20409
      July 12, 2012 at 2:41 pm

      Wow, my goodness, how fast are you? That was awesome. The Graph that goes with that PEW poll would be fantastic to be tweeted too. If you don’t mind. Thank you. All this before the Boston story? Oh, Romney is not going to be sitting comfortably with his magic under garments, now?

    • 139 theo67
      July 12, 2012 at 2:46 pm

      Even on that one issue – how exactly is Romney leading on that issue when his tax policy (i.e. giving tax cuts to millionaires and billionaires) will add another $5 Trillion to the deficit, plus, repealing Obamacare will add another $100 billion to the deficit. Not to mention, his redux of the failed Bush policies will take the country into depression, his antagonism of China (and defaulting on US debt) will increase the cost of borrowing, PLUS, entering into endless wars and not having a single plan to increase economic output in this country – all of that will add to the deficit.

      I wish one pundit could just ask the question “how” when they tout these polls. People are living in fantasyland.

  42. 140 Lorraine
    July 12, 2012 at 2:36 pm


    Why do I have the feeling Axe, Ms. Cutter and Plouffe have documents proving Mittens wrong.

    • 141 Uche
      July 12, 2012 at 3:45 pm

      Lorraine…..I’ve had the same feeling since all these things started to unfold. They will keep drip-dripping Romney with all the info they have right until Nov.

      • 142 Obama Grandmama
        July 12, 2012 at 6:50 pm

        The drip dripping is the scenario that scares Romney the most as it was his excuse for not releasing past taxes when he was asked at one of the debates.

  43. 143 desertflower
    July 12, 2012 at 2:38 pm


    It has to make a man dizzy when he first realizes that he can pretty much lie with impunity, that his success has immunized him against the truth of what he actually is doing. We seem to have incubated an entire universe of out-of-control liars within the various institutions of our society and our culture.


    Willard Romney is going to stick to his story about when he left Bain Capital — his campaign’s immediate response seemed to be, Pay no attention to those SEC documents… Olympics! — because he is deeply confident that nobody who counts is going to care if he is capable of lying. In all of these cases, you have confidence rotting into what would otherwise be called “entitlement,” if we were talking about people on food stamps or unemployment, and not the true owners of the country.
    Oh, and in case none of you are getting the point, Willard Romney is going to be entertained tonight at the palatial home of the undisputed — and disgustingly unincarcerated — emperor of unpunished destructive lying. Res ipse, y’all.

  44. 147 lamh35
    July 12, 2012 at 2:39 pm

    Guys. I am on a flight on route to Cincy. My momma had a heart attack in the wee hours of the morning, my sister Jessica and I caught the earliest flight we could and 2 other sisters are driving ad we speak.

    Please lift my mom up in prayers or whatever you believe in. I’ll update as soon as I can

  45. 166 Ladyhawke
    July 12, 2012 at 2:40 pm


    The method behind Mitt’s mendacious madness


    A blog is a perennial work in progress. Ideally, its inevitable repetitions embody ongoing development of a working hypothesis or analysis. I’d like to think that’s the case with my close reading of Romney’s methodical disinformation campaign — that is, my attempt to spotlight the method to Mitt’s mendacity. A few milestones below.
    This election is a test case. Obama needs to slay four monsters to win, each of which is a sign of an endangered democracy: 1) a stagnant — and sabotaged — economy; 2) a new campaign of voter suppression; 3) an unparalleled flood of corporate and billionaire bucks; and 4) a post-truth campaign. Nos. 3 and 4 are particularly hand-in-glove, as an uninhibited disinformation campaign has unprecedented “free speech” resources at its disposal.



  46. 167 Tally
    July 12, 2012 at 2:41 pm

  47. 168 desertflower
    July 12, 2012 at 2:47 pm

    Booman nails this. I have one correction….he hasn’t had WEEKS to correct this, he’s had YEARS!


  48. 171 desertflower
    July 12, 2012 at 2:51 pm

    It’s time…

    • 172 Vicki
      July 12, 2012 at 3:13 pm

      I love this video and have watched it before today and will probably watch it again. The central idea is correct—-99 Pproblems and Mitt ain’t one! Our problems are holding the senate and upping our count if not winning outright in the House.

      All the $$$$ flowing to Romney? Really? I think the GOP knows Mitt is toast. What they will do with the money is carpetbomb Claire McCaskill in Mo as well as any other Senators they deem vulnerable.

      We are helping counteract their effort by turning up the enthusiam and therby the turnout. When the voters come out to vote for PBO AND THEY WILL they will also cast ballots for their Sens/Cong.

      This explains the relentless anti-Obama rhetoric which combined with voter suppresssion describe the GOP’s double puch they think is their best shot.

      We will stand between the GOP and it’s desires.

    • 173 Walking_on_ Sunshine
      July 12, 2012 at 11:12 pm

      Love the video! That line is going to be stuck in my head. “99 problems and Mitt ain’t one” Catchy! This guy is my favorite Obama impersonator!

  49. 174 Bill R.
    July 12, 2012 at 2:52 pm

  50. 181 Ladyhawke
    July 12, 2012 at 2:53 pm

    Under Obama, Taxes Hit A 30-Year Low

    To hear conservatives and Tea Partiers tell it, President Obama is a serial tax-raiser who has increased taxes on “millions of Americans.” But according to the latest data from the Congressional Budget Office, tax rates under Obama hit a 30-year low in 2009, in part because of the tax cuts he implemented in response to the country’s economic downturn:


    • 182 57andFemale
      July 12, 2012 at 6:16 pm

      Here’s the problem with the tax cuts: people don’t feel it. And they won’t feel anything new even if they are extended. The campaign and the administration need to message this better.

      Illinois is a perfect example (and remember we have a decent Democratic governor). The average American family received a Federal income tax cut of approximately $1,000. In Illinois, the state [flat] income tax rate was raised 2/3 to about — wait for it — $1,000 extra taxes for the average American family. Illinois residents did not see any extra money in their pockets.

      The hidden, dirty secret of this economy is how states and municipalities and counties are trying to make ends meet: fees are going through the roof and they are impacting the lower and middle classes very strongly.

      At the height of the real estate bubble my little Chicago bungalow was appraised at $275,000. The assessment did plummet, but in my last real estate tax bill, the assessed value was $269,000 — almost what it was at the height of the bubble. My property taxes went up 50%! My husband is a senior, semi-retired and I work as a private contractor to pay our bills. A 50% increase in my property taxes is a killer for us. And that’s with the alleged ‘senior freeze’ which freezes a multiplier but has little to do with freezing my actual property tax payments. And we have to go to the courthouse to file the freeze exemption every year because otherwise they ‘lose’ it and it doesn’t count. Literally, I have to make sure they stamp it and give me a copy or it will not be counted. And let’s be clear — a lot of seniors don’t drive or are too ill to get to the county offices to do this. It’s a travesty.

      And you don’t even want to hear the horror story about Medicaid cuts and how that is affecting long term care for seniors and physical therapy, etc. My neighbor is getting kicked out of his long term rehab facility due to the draconian cuts in Medicaid in Illinois. And that’s with a decent governor who I guess is trying his damnedest . However there was no talk of changing the flat income tax to a progressive system or taxing those who have become millionaires during the worst economic downturn since the Great Depression. The pain has fallen squarely on the poor, the middle class, seniors.

      Long story long: there is a Federal tax cut but it is eaten up by municipalities and states. It’s a very hard sell for the President but he needs to get ahead of this and soon.

  51. 184 desertflower
    July 12, 2012 at 2:58 pm

    Another RW talking point BITES THE DUST

    Tweet the mess out of this……………

  52. 185 jeff
    July 12, 2012 at 2:59 pm

    I love coming over here after reading all the negative hateful things against the Obama administration. On the upside it seems that there are a lot of skeptics against the media and the media’s approval rating is at an all time low. I imagine the healthcare bill being upheld made them look more jaded and out of touch than usual.

  53. 187 utaustinliberal
    July 12, 2012 at 2:59 pm

    Once again, Fact Check spews BS.

  54. 189 desertflower
    July 12, 2012 at 3:02 pm

    This Thom Hartmann show from yesterday was ON FIRE! I was listening in the car as long as I could. MUST SEE< MUST READ< TWEET


    And now there are over 400 billionaires in America. In fact, today, the richest 400 Americans – all of whom are billionaires – own more wealth than the bottom 150 million Americans COMBINED. The richest 6 members of the Sam Walton family – heirs to the Wal-Mart fortune and, again, all billionaires – own more wealth than the bottom 30 percent of Americans COMBINED. According to a recent study from the Federal Reserve, median net worth for middle class families dropped by nearly 40 percent from 2007-2010. That’s the equivalent of wiping out 18 years of savings for the average middle class family. And that money went to the richest 400 Americans – all billionaires – who collectively own $1.3 trillion worth of wealth. The issue is not punishing the wealthy.

    The issue is acknowledging that billionaires have sucked up so much wealth out of our economy that the rest of us are drowning.
    What's worse is the rest of us are working harder than ever. Productivity has steadily increased post-World War 2, and it used to be that income gains increased right alongside it. But around the time of Reagan, productivity and wages began to diverge. While productivity increased, wages stagnated. That's because all the extra profits made by increased productivity weren’t given back to the workers, but instead pocketed by CEOs and executives.
    In other words, we're all working harder, but unfortunately by no will of our own have been forced to give up these fruits of our labor to the elites – to the billionaires whose wealth has exploded and continues to increase year after year.

  55. July 12, 2012 at 3:05 pm

    Guys- I guess we are going to have to wait for the debates, before Willard gets any scrutiny on these new revelations.
    Because, the News wants to talk about everything but, this story in the Boston Globe.
    Even after a conference call by the Obama team, so, the news knows about it, nut ate ignoring it!!

  56. 191 utaustinliberal
    July 12, 2012 at 3:07 pm

  57. 192 desertflower
    July 12, 2012 at 3:07 pm

    http://www.borowitzreport.com/ Hilarious…A Note From Mitt’s Doctor…. Funny:)

  58. 194 desertflower
    July 12, 2012 at 3:08 pm

    Randi Rhodes is BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  59. 199 Dudette
    July 12, 2012 at 3:20 pm

    Somebody help me with this one please …

    Yesterday Rush Limpballs said the NAACP booed Mitt because he’s white. Did they applaud VPOTUS today because he’s white?

    • 200 miss pat
      July 12, 2012 at 4:06 pm

      They applauded VP Biden because he is a good man. Rush better shut up and book a flight to the Dominiican Republic. His boytoys are waiting. Better yet he better take out hiis hearing aid and stuff it up his butt.

    • 202 nathkatun7
      July 12, 2012 at 7:18 pm

      Dudette, drugie Limbaugh is a racist. He is always trying whip up the frenzy of his fellow racists. He is incapable of understanding logic.

  60. 204 Linda
    July 12, 2012 at 3:23 pm

    Filed under the CYA Department.

    Bain Capital: Romney Left In February 1999

    Bain Capital released a statement Thursday saying Mitt Romney left the company in 1999 to run the Olympics.

    Via Politico:

    Mitt Romney left Bain Capital in February 1999 to run the Olympics and has had absolutely no involvement with the management or investment activities of the firm or with any of its portfolio companies since the day of his departure. Due to the sudden nature of Mr. Romney’s departure, he remained the sole stockholder for a time while formal ownership was being documented and transferred to the group of partners who took over management of the firm in 1999. Accordingly, Mr. Romney was reported in various capacities on SEC filings during this period.

    • 205 desertflower
      July 12, 2012 at 3:34 pm

      I didn’t steal the cookies, Mom! Honest!

    • 206 Linda
      July 12, 2012 at 3:36 pm

      oops….that does not jive with what Mitt put in his book : See second paragraph

      Romney’s own words debunks his claim he is a “businessman”: his own book Turnaround, about his role as CEO of the 2002 Salt Lake City Olympics. Romney says on page 16, “I never actually ran one of our investments; that was left to management.”

      Also, while on a 1998 ski vacation, when Joklik spoke to Romney about taking over the SLOC job: “He said that he though project management skills were the most critical…I protested, ‘I don’t have any project management experience.’ Quote unquote from the businessman himself.

      He has always been an “invester”, never a businessman

      • 207 Walking_on_ Sunshine
        July 12, 2012 at 11:32 pm

        That’s exactly how he would run the country. There would be very little work done on his part. Just signing off on the ready made legislation that big business has lined up.

    • 208 Don
      July 12, 2012 at 3:38 pm

      It might be a tad to late for Bain to start covering anyone’s backside let alone Mitt’s. We will see how long Bain continues to carry the water for Mittens once the SEC starts asking questions. Its one thing to skirt tax laws, but its a whole different ballgame when you start making up shit and expecting the SEC to go along with it.

      • 209 57andFemale
        July 12, 2012 at 6:18 pm

        There was also a diary a the Orange Satan today about how Romney was playing both ends against the middle with Utah and MA about where he would decide he actually lived in order to run for governor. The ownership of Bain and how it was perceived was a big part of this mess. I’m assuming the Boston Globe will be all over this.

    • July 12, 2012 at 3:51 pm

      As CEO, he still had the power to Stop the outsourcing, and did nothing, because of profits!

    • 211 nathkatun7
      July 12, 2012 at 7:23 pm

      So, how come he was still SEC documents as the CEO? Linda, Do you believe this nonsense you are sharing with us?

  61. 212 FiredUpInCA
    July 12, 2012 at 3:24 pm

    If the Romney campaign were around in 1787:

    A spokesman for the Founding Fathers today said they can’t be held responsible for the United States of America because their signatures were just a “quirk.”

  62. 213 ChristiMTL
    July 12, 2012 at 3:27 pm

    Ezra Klein ‏@ezraklein

    Romney did nothing wrong. He managed his money and business well. But people don’t think it’s admirable to make money outsourcing jobs.

    I can’t stand Ezra Klein!

    Yes putting millions in offshore accounts to avoid paying taxes is managing your money well?

    It’s very admirable to destroy people’s lives to send jobs oversea while you’re walking away with millions and millions.

    What’s the problem with Ezra Klein? seriously?…..

    • 214 ChristiMTL
      July 12, 2012 at 3:29 pm

      How can he say that Romney DID NOTHING WRONG…..we don’t know what the heck he was doing.

      • 215 desertflower
        July 12, 2012 at 3:37 pm

        well. luckily for us, Ezra is not in charge of the laws of the country…who really gives a rat’s arse what his opinion is. I would not doubt for one moment that the lawyers for PBO’s campaign are on this in MA, and at the Federal level . No one cares if Ezra thinks Mitt did something wrong or not.

      • July 12, 2012 at 3:38 pm

        He already told us all to vote for Robney, as everything will then be better in Congress!
        Ezra belongs on fox news with Geraldo!

    • 218 Linda
      July 12, 2012 at 3:52 pm

      He is self absorbed…..

    • 219 theo67
      July 12, 2012 at 4:12 pm

      Ezra’s young and hasn’t had to achieve anything in life. He’s read a few books, understands theory – but in terms of real life, and consequences and character – he doesn’t have a clue. It appears his life’s been too soft. It’s the same story with Chris Hayes. Young, thinks they know everything because they’ve read a few books, and financially comfortable. They’re as out of touch as Romney – without the hundreds of millions of dollars.

      • 220 carolyn
        July 12, 2012 at 7:52 pm

        Those two are in the same category as Luke Russert: They needed some real experience in a smaller, less noticeable arena, and needed to grow up. They became “pundits” way too young. They have no experience to balance their theory with. They are very dull people.
        I like the Europeans. They think people become MORE interesting as they grow older….experience counts.

      • 221 Walking_on_ Sunshine
        July 12, 2012 at 11:36 pm

        You got that right.

  63. July 12, 2012 at 3:34 pm

    Well, fighting off an annoying stomach flu. So all these goodies I’m seeing are quite gratifying.

    • 223 desertflower
      July 12, 2012 at 3:38 pm

      My son is doing the same thing 😦 Thought he was over it, then he wasn’t….feel better.

      • July 12, 2012 at 3:45 pm

        Weirdest thing. At 3 a.m. started coughing like crazy. Ten minutes of that and I had to rush to the bathroom. My wife gets that sort of coughing jag that leads to vomiting. We’ve been together way too long. 😆

        • 225 desertflower
          July 12, 2012 at 3:55 pm

          You have to love each other even in the “unflattering” times:) Seriously, I think you grow to love them more, then:) I’m making chicken soup, lots of gingerale…and saltines.

        • 226 57andFemale
          July 12, 2012 at 5:52 pm

          That’s asthma. Have it checked out. Most people don’t know that uncontrollable coughing like that, particularly in the middle of the night, is asthma. You don’t have to be wheezing to have it be asthma, but only a proper specialist knows that. And eventually it will progress.

          Oh, and often primary physicians are clueless about it. My asthma went undiagnosed for two years as ‘chronic bronchitis’ until I stomped my feet and insisted that I be referred to a pulmonary specialist or an allergist.

          And I’ve been with this same doctor since 1984, who was able to diagnose me properly and do his damnedest to keep me breathing. No small feat without insurance, even though I developed asthma by moving into an apartment that had had cats. I was kicked off my insurance and could not get coverage for anything pulmonary-related after that (and that included if I had a punctured lung in a car accident. gotta love health insurance companies!)

          LL and spousal unit LL — check it out.

  64. July 12, 2012 at 3:35 pm

    So, who is going to fact check the fact checkers? They can be gotten to!

    • July 12, 2012 at 4:37 pm

      That’s what I’ve been thinking. They’ve already been fact-checked and have come up short. But I guess you have to appoint yourself a “fact checker” to have influence. “I hereby certify myself as Prime Fact Checker Extraordinaire.”

  65. July 12, 2012 at 3:36 pm

    #ADollarADayToOFA family ‘tip jars’ are transparent – It’s the 99% Way …

  66. 230 PoliticalJunkessa
    July 12, 2012 at 3:37 pm

    Willard ain’t ready. He ain’t ready for this. At all.

  67. 237 desertflower
    July 12, 2012 at 3:40 pm


    In all, as many as 6,000 jobs were lost at these four companies during the period between when the Romney campaign alleges he retired, and when the Globe’s report suggests he actually stepped down.

  68. July 12, 2012 at 3:42 pm

    By EMILY SCHULTHEIS | 7/12/12 1:29 PM
    Add Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid to the list of Democrats on the attack over Mitt Romney’s timeline at Bain. Speaking to reporters at a news conference on the Hill today, Reid said the former Massachusetts governor “couldn’t be confirmed as a dog catcher.”

  69. 240 Don
    July 12, 2012 at 3:48 pm

    To tell you the truth, I miss old man “get off my lawn” McCain and kooky Sarah Palin. I mean with those two, what you saw was what you got, Palin was just uninformed and relished it. And McCain, he was just looking for a war to resolve his feelings about Vietnam. But Romney, this guy is dangerous and rich, he reminds me of a James Bond villain.

    • 241 COS
      July 12, 2012 at 3:51 pm

      Actually, McCain did a lot of flipfloppong also. Totally agree about lying Mittens who is hungry for power , and is willing to sell his soul (if he has one) to the devil to get it.

  70. 243 FiredUpInCA
    July 12, 2012 at 3:52 pm

    It’s not wrong, as CEO of Bain, to invest in outsourcers. It’s your job. But it’s not a job that voters admire you for getting rich off of.— Ezra Klein (@ezraklein) July 12, 2012

    Ezra, it’s not a matter of us not “admiring” Mitt for his business practices. We don’t think he’s qualified based on his business practices as CEO of Bain.

    You said he was an outsourcer. That was his job. We need an insourcer. As President of the United States that’s your job. We have a President who loves to hire, not fire and who is focused on insourcing, not outsourcing.

    Romney is proud of doing his job as an investor in outsourcers. We the people don’t want that. Admiring Willard or not admiring Willard is not even remotely the issue.

    • 244 Don
      July 12, 2012 at 3:59 pm

      FiredUp, don’t waste your time on Mr. Klein. He’s one of those thirty-something blog warriors that think they know everything. Deep down in Mr. Klein’s heart, he’s probably a Ron Paul supporter.

  71. 245 desertflower
    July 12, 2012 at 4:03 pm


  72. 248 desertflower
    July 12, 2012 at 4:05 pm

    Sign petition at discloseact.com….pass it on

  73. 250 Linda
    July 12, 2012 at 4:14 pm

    At Boehner’s presser he was asked about Romney off shore accounts and he said

    ” I am not aware of it ”

    Say what ?

  74. 253 Ladyhawke
    July 12, 2012 at 4:28 pm

    Sorry, Mitt Romney, You Can’t Be Chairman, CEO, And President Of A Company And Not Be Responsible For What It Does…

    Henry Blodget


    However …

    As “Chairman, CEO, and President” of Bain, he damn well would have remained responsible for these decisions. In which case, saying he had “left” and implying that he had no involvement or responsibility whatsoever is highly misleading.

    The CEO of a car company may not have input into the decision of what specific cars the company makes or where it makes them (though he or she obviously could if s/he wanted), but this CEO is unequivocally responsible for these decisions.

    Similarly, if Romney was CEO of Bain at the time it made the Stericycle decision, as well as the company layoffs and other unpleasant facts that Candidate Romney would like to disown, he certainly was responsible for these decisions.

    So, enough with walking a fine line rhetorically.



    • 254 FiredUpInCA
      July 12, 2012 at 4:38 pm

      Mitt is a piece of work.

      He will not take responsibility for decisions made at Bain while he was still named Chief Executive Officer but he does want to take credit for the auto recovery, while President Obama was the chief executive.

    • 255 57andFemale
      July 12, 2012 at 4:38 pm

      Wasn’t he also ‘sole stockholder’? But he didn’t name someone to manage the company but we’re supposed to believe he had no input on the company?

      Color me confused: he takes credit for the Staples dead end jobs AFTER he ‘left’ Bain but is not responsible for the outsourcing?

      How the fuck can half the country think this guy is presidential material? What the hell country are we living in?

      • 256 FiredUpInCA
        July 12, 2012 at 4:55 pm

        “How the fuck can half the country think this guy is presidential material?”

        “Think” is the key word there. They are not doing it. They are emotion-driven. None of this scrutiny of their candidate’s words and deeds is even happening with a significant percentage of the country.

        They are strictly in tribal, lizard-brain mode. ‘Must remove President Obama’ is the only message that penetrates their hermetically-sealed thought process.

        How else can one explain that the first Taxed Enough Already party was on April 15, 2009, the day of the largest middle class tax break in American history? How else can one explain a run on guns and ammo, resulting in a shortage of both, in anticipation of a confiscation that never has happened and never will happen?

        The fearful fifth of the country cannot and will not be reasoned with. They have to be outnumbered. We did it in 2008. We will do it in November. There is no other option.

    • July 12, 2012 at 4:45 pm

      • 259 Ladyhawke
        July 12, 2012 at 5:04 pm

        Henry Blodget from BusinessInsider sums it up:

        So, enough with walking a fine line rhetorically.

        Here are the questions that the Romney campaign needs to answer:

        Was Mitt Romney “chairman, CEO, and President” of Bain from 1999-2002 (even if he had physically “left” and was spending 100% of his time running the Olympics)? If the answer is “yes,” then Romney is responsible for what Bain did during that period–full stop.


        Were the filings submitted to the SEC inaccurate?

        The answer to those two questions cannot be “both.” It’s one or the other.

        And if the answer is that Mitt Romney was chairman, CEO, and president of Bain for the years in which he has long tried to disavow any responsibility for what the firm did, the American public has every right to feel misled.

        • 260 Bill R.
          July 12, 2012 at 5:10 pm

          EXACTLY! This is what too many aren’t picking up. BainMItt is boxed in. Either he was CEO and President and therefore responsible, or not. If he denies he was, then he is culpable of a felony for filing false information to the SEC. In addition there is nothing on file with the State of Delaware where he would have been required to do in order to give notice of his change in status.

        • 261 Lb4Obama
          July 12, 2012 at 5:37 pm

          Sure sounds like check and mate to me. Yup!

        • 262 theo67
          July 12, 2012 at 6:27 pm

          I wish in his second scenario, he had completed that sentence to tell us that if the filings to the SEC were “inaccurate”, then Romney committed a crime – a felony, to be exact.

        • 263 nathkatun7
          July 12, 2012 at 7:45 pm

          Henry Blodget posed the two central questions about this whole Romney/Bain affair. These are the two questions the media should be asking Romney. Bottom line: Romney either lied to the SEC (a potential criminal act) or he is now lying to the American people. He certainly can’t have it both ways.

  75. July 12, 2012 at 4:36 pm

  76. July 12, 2012 at 4:49 pm

    Sure to be a Tea Bagger hit, HWJ has a new Record out and he is blasting the President.

  77. 274 Dudette
    July 12, 2012 at 4:57 pm

    US Slaps More Sanctions on Iran

    The United States is imposing more sanctions on Iran and taking steps to stop Iran from using front companies and banks to evade sanctions.

    Undersecretary of the Treasury for Terrorism David Cohen says the United States will keep ratcheting up the pressure on Iran as long as it refuses to address the global concern about its alleged nuclear weapons program.

    Thursday’s actions target 11 Iranian entities and four individuals the Treasury Department calls part of a government-backed network of weapons proliferators.

    U.S. authorities also are exposing the names of numerous front companies that the Iranian government set up to avoid sanctions on oil sales.

    The new sanctions freeze relevant Iranian assets in the United States and ban U.S. citizens from doing any business with the Iranian companies.

  78. 275 criquet
    July 12, 2012 at 5:00 pm

  79. 276 purpleshoesla
    July 12, 2012 at 5:00 pm

    Hmm, now that Romney’s bus-in “disappointed” black leaders stunt, got exposed on the Ed Show last night, two of those “secret” black leaders at NAACP yesterday, try to act like it was no big deal.


  80. 277 Don
    July 12, 2012 at 5:01 pm

    I think Mitt had better set up a secret off shore account for his soon to come legal bills.

  81. July 12, 2012 at 5:02 pm

    Smerconish can take a long walk off a short Pier!

  82. 282 Dudette
    July 12, 2012 at 5:03 pm

    The importance of this subject CANNOT be stressed enough

    Not Again! How Our Voting System Is Ripe For Theft and Meltdown in 2012
    The Republican war on voters is only the start of really big problems voters face in the 2012 presidential election.

    • July 12, 2012 at 5:09 pm

      Besides the voter suppression ID laws, this is my HUGE fear! Do not trust the voting machines. Way too easy to rig them and the GOP wants to win badly enough they will do ANYTHING they have to do.

      • 284 Obama Grandmama
        July 12, 2012 at 7:16 pm

        i was listening to Thom Hartmann on my way home from my Orthopedic appointment today. Thom was doing a segment on the Diebold machines and was talking about the WI results and a group he had contributed money to for a recount of the governor recall election. The person incharge of trying to get the recount was relating that in doing the recount for the state legislator that was being questioned they saw several differences on the governor count. It seemed that in several cases the count of the ballots going in did not result in the same count as the final machine count. I guess there can be people looking and checking the ballots prior to inserting them. I hope they can get that recount done as I still remember the end results seemed so different than it seemed it would be on that day.

        It was my 4 month checkup on my knee replacement. I did great on my Range of Motion test and all. I don’t need to go back again for one year unless I experience a problem before then. Yay for me!!!! I’m feeling good today!

  83. 286 Suzanne
    July 12, 2012 at 5:04 pm

    I think this is the full speech by VP Biden at NAACP. I’m not sure how to do this so I have the URL first and then the embed link.

  84. 287 criquet
    July 12, 2012 at 5:06 pm

    Can someone send this to Stephanie Cutter, Liz Smith and David Axlerod? This shows Mitt was outsourcing PRIOR to 1999 when he admits he was still at Bain. It is an article by David Corn. This is a must see.

  85. July 12, 2012 at 5:26 pm

    It adds up …

  86. July 12, 2012 at 5:27 pm

    Ha! This is a comment I read on one of the Romney-Bain articles linked here: Liar, liar, magic underpants on fire!

  87. 296 auntsis522
    July 12, 2012 at 5:38 pm

    HELLO EVERYBODY!! I have been traveling since the 1st of July. For the last 11 days, the hotels offered Faux and TNN. Finally, my last stop and they have MSNBC. I cant believe it. I am so excited I may watch Rachel. The last time I watched Rachel she was the faux president during the oil spill. Yeah, finally!!!! If I got in earlier, I may have watched the Cycle – whatever that is! 🙂

  88. 300 slimjim
    July 12, 2012 at 5:42 pm

    D.C. officer investigated after comments about Michelle Obama alleged


    “The motorman allegedly made the comments Wednesday morning as several officers from the Special Operations Division discussed threats against President Obama. It was not immediately clear where the alleged conversation took place or exactly how many officers took part in the conversation.

    During that conversation, the officials said, the officer allegedly said he would shoot the First Lady and then used his phone to retrieve a picture of the firearm he said he would use. It was not immediately clear what type of firearm was allegedly shown.

    An officer overheard the alleged threat and reported it to a police lieutenant at the Division, who immediately notified superiors, the officials said.”

  89. 305 FiredUpInCA
    July 12, 2012 at 5:42 pm

    Where did Mitt offshore his credibility?

  90. 308 ChristiMTL
    July 12, 2012 at 5:56 pm

    • 309 anniebella
      July 12, 2012 at 6:02 pm

      Really Mitt you have the nerve to call some one else a liar. Don’t make me laugh. That’s like a skunk telling some other animal that they stink.

    • 310 COS
      July 12, 2012 at 6:46 pm

      Wow, can’t wait to see LOD’s show tonight. I guess he will pick up where Rachel left off.

  91. 312 Don
    July 12, 2012 at 5:59 pm

    You said you’re a big time business man and what the white house needs is a business man in office, well then motherfucka we’re going to talk about being a business man.

  92. 313 Don
    July 12, 2012 at 6:13 pm

    I think it’s time for Team Romney to go to the mattresses.

  93. July 12, 2012 at 6:15 pm

    A D.C. police officer involved in protecting White House officials and visiting dignitaries was put on administrative leave Wednesday after making threatening comments about Michelle Obama, according to a report Thursday.

    In the midst of a conversation about threats against the Obamas, the officer — who worked as a motorcycle escort for some official movements — is alleged to have said he would shoot the first lady, the Washington Post reported. He’s said to have shown his fellow officers a photo of a gun that he would use, though the Post didn’t have details of what kind of firearm it was.

    The D.C. Metropolitan Police Department didn’t have many details in response to an inquiry from POLITICO. “We received an allegation that inappropriate comments were made. We are currently investigating the nature of those comments,” spokeswoman Gwendolyn Crump said in a statement. The department has also contacted the Secret Service about the potential threat.

    The first lady’s office and the Secret Service did not immediately respond to requests for comment.


    • 315 theo67
      July 12, 2012 at 6:21 pm

      The fact that he felt comfortable enough to have “shown his fellow officers a photo of a gun that he would use” makes me really nervous. I don’t even know how people like that look themselves in the mirror.

    • 316 relellit
      July 12, 2012 at 6:44 pm

      Jovie, you just beat me to the punch. I was about to post the TPM website. Any how here is the link if anyone wants to read it:


      Where do these crazies come from? It’s a shame.

    • 317 sherijr
      July 12, 2012 at 6:58 pm

      I am way beyond sick of this shit- threatening of POTUS, FLOTUS, VPOTUS- he needs to be fully prosecuted and none of those in the convo ought never be allowed to be public servants, particularly cops again. These folks talk about the lives of the President & family like they’re meaningless, expendable and I truly am sick of it. BS- their job is to protect & serve everyone, and I don’t want to hear their feelings or opinions – do their effing job and stfu or get off the damn force. These folks better hope my President, VP or FLOTUS don’t get even a scratch on them due to their negligence- EVER.

    • 318 Cha
      July 12, 2012 at 7:17 pm

      He’s too MF Dumb to hold a job..he needs to be Fired and Banned from ever serving again. It should be illegal to be that damn stupid.

  94. 319 Don
    July 12, 2012 at 6:30 pm

    “He” and “Some” of the “Officers” were discussing threats to the Obamas and he said he would shoot Mrs. Obama and then showed pictures of the gun to other “Officers” and an officer that overheard the conversation reported it to his superiors. If those are the facts, more than one officer should have been placed on administrative leave, all of the officers that participated in the conversation should be placed on administrative leave and investigated.

  95. 320 Linda
    July 12, 2012 at 6:37 pm

    Republicans may be hypocrites on a lot of issues, but equal pay is not one of them. They don’t believe in it, and they don’t practice it. Female Republican House staffers make, on average, $10,093 less than male Republican House staffers. By contrast, the wage gap for Democratic House staffers is $1,473—not parity, but, at 97 cents on the dollar, closer than you’ll find almost anywhere.

    That must be fun, being a woman working for a House Republican to block equal pay legislation, knowing that you are living your principles every day when you go to work. Sure, your boss is liable to be closeted or an adulterer or a deadbeat dad, but on this issue, you can have some purity. It may come as a little bit of a disappointment that a key reason women earn less in Republican offices is that they tend to have lower-ranking jobs than men, not that they’re paid less than men doing the same jobs. But hey, you can’t have it all and keeping women low in the hierarchy is a good Republican value. No reason to promote people who are just going to leave when they get married and start having babies, amiright?

    The Democrat-Republican divide in the Senate isn’t as broad, with Republican women earning $9,805 less than Republican men and Democratic women earning $4,916 less than Democratic men.

    Daily Kos

    • 322 theo67
      July 12, 2012 at 6:51 pm

      I wish these doctors would sue the GOP for forcing them to violate their oaths. The real hypocrisy is with the GOP who claim that Obamacare is going to come between patients and their doctors, and yet they continue to pass bills and laws that actually create harm for patients, and actually do come between the patients and the doctors – also preventing doctors from doing their jobs properly. They make me sick. Having health insurance won’t matter if patients can’t get real medical care from their doctors.

      • 323 57andFemale
        July 12, 2012 at 6:55 pm

        That’s the point exactly! ACA ‘rations’ health care and interferes with the doctor/patient relationship and yet Rick Perry (now with his Medicaid-free ‘law’ for women’s health) does exactly that.

        The only ‘free speech’ these monsters believe in is to give anonymously to PAC’s and to carry a gun anywhere and everywhere.

    • 324 57andFemale
      July 12, 2012 at 6:53 pm

  96. 325 collegekay
    July 12, 2012 at 6:41 pm

    I just read that #BainMitt wants an apology from President Obama and a retraction from the Boston Globe. This guy’s arrogance is through the roof.

  97. 334 relellit
    July 12, 2012 at 6:46 pm

    I want a retraction from R-money saying President Obama has no experience.

  98. 335 Dakota
    July 12, 2012 at 6:47 pm

    As my mother used to say: People in hell want ice water.too.

  99. July 12, 2012 at 6:51 pm

    Has anyone seen the ad released today by Romney calling POTUS a liar? Where is the ad running?

    • July 12, 2012 at 6:57 pm

      “battleground states”, I believe. I saw Des Moines Register had a story on the ad running in Iowa today.

    • July 12, 2012 at 7:41 pm

      Yes – here in Iowa, we’re privileged to see these creations. I automatically turned to a different channel when it came on during dinner, but then I turned it back in time to hear the part where Hillary says “shame on you, BO!” and hear the announcer call PBO a liar. I had to explain to my hubby why “Mitt sure picked a bad day to call the president a liar” (to quote Daily Kos). All-in-all, a pretty pathetic commercial for a pathetic candidate. I can’t imagine why anyone would vote for Mitt because of it. Pretty pointless message.

  100. 339 57andFemale
    July 12, 2012 at 6:52 pm

    Huh. I’ve ‘arrived’. I think Mark Knoller has blocked me on Twitter!

  101. 341 FiredUpInCA
    July 12, 2012 at 6:52 pm

    Owner, according to Willardpedia

    Owner (Indefinite noun) – The individual primarily responsible for all the positive achievements at an enterprise, like job creation and investor returns (even if occurring after your tenure) while being absolved of any politically inconvenient actions whatsover, like your own signature.

  102. July 12, 2012 at 6:52 pm

    You know, if you’re going to be sick, a cloudy day is the perfect day to do it. Great nap weather.

    The following is a serious question.

  103. 344 vcprezofan2
    July 12, 2012 at 6:52 pm

    Okay, so I’m holed up at a hotel in Detroit because due to airline ‘maintenance problems’ I missed my connecting flight to Dallas! Hopefully SOMEBODY knows where my luggage is because *I* don’t, though the airline assures me it’ll be awaiting me in Dallas tomorrow morning. Not being travel savvy enough to have a complete change of clothing in my carryon [though I did have my laptop 😉 ] I just had to do some heavy hand laundering. At first I asked if there were any stores nearby and was told I would have to take a taxi. Since I was not in the mood I decided to just go to my room and try for a fix of TODville for a bit of mood adjustment. So, tell me, did anyone remember to repost today’s focus and what have I missed? I’m going to jump around and see what I can find out. BTW, I’m on a public internet site; here’s hoping I’m not leaving myself open to any web dangers.

    • 345 desertflower
      July 12, 2012 at 7:38 pm

      Yes,darlin’, someone DID bring over your post for you! I would like to take the credit, but then I’d be doin’ the Romney shuffle…that would be a big fat LIE…so, it was someone else…can’t remember who right now…but I promise you, it was done:) Sorry for your sucky news about having to stay in Detroit and not being in the Big D right now….with no clothes….and a bad mood…hey! at least you have your laptop and TOD access:) 🙂 You don’t need no stinkin’ clothes!! You have US!

      • 346 vcprezofan2
        July 12, 2012 at 7:47 pm

        😀 😀 ‘You have US!’ Df, I know I could count on you guys to bring a smile to my face! 😉 Thanks also for answering my question.

  104. July 12, 2012 at 6:52 pm

    Interesting goings on in the Fl. Lt. Gov.’s office—-all kinds of accusations——which I wouldn’t bother mentioning other than she was one of those super secret Romney supporters at the NAACP convention—-one of the applauders he flew in for his speaking event—–but tried to make it sound like there was this huge group of NAACP members who were abandoning Obama and secretly whispering in Willard’s ear that they loved him the Best of ALL!

  105. 348 FiredUpInCA
    July 12, 2012 at 6:58 pm

    Now we know what Mitt would do on Day Two. Demand a retraction of any reporting about Day One.

  106. 349 desertflower
    July 12, 2012 at 7:19 pm

    Back from my “nap”….Some truth about who’s the real outsourcer…here:


    • 350 susanne
      July 12, 2012 at 7:28 pm

      good list, but it pre-dates the discovery of sec documents showing r-money was actually still running bain after ’99. i wouldn’t suggest attaching this list without the new info.

      • 351 desertflower
        July 12, 2012 at 7:42 pm

        Well, I hear you…but the list was just that, a list…nothing to do with the SEC connection or his Bain issues….just that he has commercials out attacking PBO for being the “real” outsourcer….not HIM, of course! This just sets the record straight.

  107. 352 Dudette
    July 12, 2012 at 7:23 pm

    Cory Booker To Chair Dem Platform Committee

    New Jersey Mayor Cory Booker and Lt. Gen. Claudia Kennedy (Ret.) will serve as the chair of the Democratic platform committee at this year’s Democratic National Convention in Charlotte, North Carolina. Andrew Grossman will serve as National Platform Director.

  108. 354 Dudette
    July 12, 2012 at 7:26 pm

    Globe will not issue correction to Romney

    “…We received your request late this afternoon for a correction regarding this morning’s Globe story. Having carefully reviewed that request, we see no basis for publishing a correction. The Globe story was entirely accurate.

    The Globe story was based on government documents filed by Bain Capital itself. Those described Governor Romney as remaining at the helm of Bain Capital as its “sole stockholder, chairman of the board, chief executive officer, and president” until 2002. The story also cited state financial disclosure forms filed by Romney that showed he earned income as a Bain “executive” in 2001 and 2002, separate from investment earnings.

    The Globe story accurately described the contents of those documents.

    The Globe story also gave a full account of the Romney campaign’s position that, notwithstanding several years of regulatory filings, Mitt Romney “retired from Bain Capital in 1999 … (and) has had no involvement in the management or investment activities of Bain Capital, or with any of its portfolio companies, since that time.” In your correction request, you reiterate points that are fully detailed in the Globe story…”

  109. July 12, 2012 at 7:34 pm

    Calls for DC mayor to resign!

  110. 358 Claire
    July 12, 2012 at 7:41 pm

    Mitt Romney’s repeated claim that he played no part in executive decision-making related to Bain after 1999 is false, according to Romney’s own testimony in June 2002, in which he admitted to sitting on the board of the Lifelike Co., a doll maker that was a Bain investment during the period.

    Romney has consistently insisted that he was too busy organizing the 2002 Winter Olympics to take part in Bain business between 1999 and that event. But in the testimony, which was provided to The Huffington Post, Romney noted that he regularly traveled back to Massachusetts. “[T]here were a number of social trips and business trips that brought me back to Massachusetts, board meetings, Thanksgiving and so forth,” he said.

    Romney’s sworn testimony was given as part of a hearing to determine whether he had sufficient residency status in Massachusetts to run for governor.


    • 359 desertflower
      July 12, 2012 at 7:46 pm

      The plot thickens…see, that’s the thing with lies. You just tell so many to fit whatever circumstance that you are trying to get out of at the time…but then another time comes, and another circumstance, and then the first lies don’t fit what you need the NEXT LIE to do…and on and on they go….Sucks to be you, Willard!

    • 360 Theo67
      July 12, 2012 at 10:04 pm

      O, I love this! Hopefully, he’ll be caught for perjury. He was either drawing a salary for doing no work and he falsified his SEC filings, or he’ll finally have to take

      • 361 Theo67
        July 12, 2012 at 10:07 pm

        Sorry, typing on my iPhone. He’ll finally have to take ownership of the destruction caused under his tenure.

    • 362 Cha
      July 12, 2012 at 11:19 pm

      It Fitting that Mitt gets Tripped up by his own Shit. Wanting to Screw with the State of Massachusetts.

  111. 363 utaustinliberal
    July 12, 2012 at 7:50 pm

  112. 364 utaustinliberal
    July 12, 2012 at 7:58 pm

  113. 366 Dudette
    July 12, 2012 at 8:00 pm

    Off-topic: OOORAH!
    Marines mark Medal of Honor anniversary with stories of valor (cool infographic here)

  114. 367 utaustinliberal
    July 12, 2012 at 8:03 pm

  115. 370 utaustinliberal
    July 12, 2012 at 8:05 pm

  116. 371 carolyn
    July 12, 2012 at 8:11 pm

    So Romney’s modus operandi is to demand a retraction from any publication that dares to publish truth about him. This is the second…bravo for both entities, they did not cave to him. Mitt is truly stupid to mess with The Globe. They KNOW him. I bet they have deep files on him, and have been waiting for the right time to get this out. He is a truly horrible person. I still think he will implode…..there is coming a steady rain upon him that will show him up for what he is. He can’t take it. These articles are not the crazed rantings of Sarah Palin yelling about palling around with terrorists, etc. These are well researched and documented investigative articles. He is so used to getting by with his money, he has no idea what reality is. And now, he’s with Cheney up in Wyoming raising money…..consorting with a few chosen rich buddies. Always protected and away from ordinary people. Santorum was right: For the Republicans, Romney is the worst person to run against President Obama.

  117. 374 Dudette
    July 12, 2012 at 8:12 pm

    Hanging Out and Talking Mortgage Refinance with HUD Secretary Donovan and Zillow

    Earlier today, Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Shaun Donovan joined four homeowners from around the country for a Google+ Hangout moderated by real estate marketplace, Zillow, Inc. to discuss home mortgage refinancing. With home interest rates at historic lows, the average homeowners could save $3,000 a year by refinancing, but far too many borrowers are locked out of a chance to do so.

    Secretary Donovan, Zillow CEO Spencer Rascoff and participating homeowners engaged in a conversation about various refinancing options, including the Home Affordable Refinancing Program (HARP) and the President’s plan that would simplify and streamline refinancing for responsible homeowners who are currently locked out of doing so.

    Secretary Donovan took questions from homeowners Leighanne from New Jersey, Pete from Washington, Michele from New Jersey and Valarie from Georgia and also from homeowners throughout the country who submitted feedback questions on the Zillow website, Facebook page and on Twitter using the hashtag #WHHangout.

    The conversation touched on a wide variety of topics from whether a homeowner would qualify if their mortgage was underwater, and what options there were for homeowners whose mortgages aren’t owned by Fannie Mae or Freddie mac, to short sales and appraisals. There were hundreds of great questions, and Secretary Donovan wasn’t able to get to all of them, but over the coming weeks we’ll continue to answer even more. Look for more Q&A videos on whitehouse.gov and Zillow.com.

    Want to know more about the President’s plan and whether you would qualify? Visit http://whitehouse.gov/refi. You can get more information on refinancing options for underwater borrowers at Zillow.com.

    Already support the President’s plan? Tell us why here and stay tuned for more opportunities to hang out with White House officials.

  118. 375 Doreen
    July 12, 2012 at 8:12 pm

    I tell you, watching all this Romney/Bain stuff today is a thing of beauty! The campaign knew exactly what it was doing and I’m so glad they stuck to their guns when people from the Dem party were pushing back and saying it wouldn’t work. Hopefully, they’ll shut up and have a seat and to never doubt the brilliance of President Obama and his campaign staff again! I also think, we have not seen everything that is to drop regarding Bain.

  119. 376 utaustinliberal
    July 12, 2012 at 8:19 pm

  120. 381 susanne
    July 12, 2012 at 8:22 pm

    this piece explains why, even though r-money didn’t actually receive a tax deduction for the dancing horse, he claimed the loss so that when he starts making serious money from the horse, the old loss will offset his new profit. neat, huh!? bet you didn’t know about nifty tax loopholes and schemes like that! or, conversely, on another day, they both do it.

  121. 383 lisalovesobama
    July 12, 2012 at 8:26 pm

    Ben Labolt said Willard is so desperate to change the subject that he leaked to Drudge that Condi Rice aka Mrs. Bush-On-The-Side, has moved up on the veep list. Okay. I really hope he chooses her. This is exactly what Team O wants, to tie the Bush legacy around Willard’s campaign’s neck and leave them hanging. Putting Condi on his ticket won’t increase Willard’s poll numbers, she won’t bring over blacks and she won’t bring over women. Condi seems like a nice woman but she was absolutely useless in her position as SOS and from what I heard about Dickie’s memoir, he didn’t think she was too bright. That’s the only thing I’d ever agree with Dickie about. Sure she’s book smart and can play the piano but she has no common sense, all the shit she was allowed to happen under her watch as SOS. {{SMH}} Condi should stay out of politics and go make amends for all the sins her old boss committed against the American people. She and Dickie should feel lucky and say a few hail Mary’s because PBO didn’t bring them up on war crimes charges. Pigs.

  122. 392 Dudette
    July 12, 2012 at 8:26 pm


    Today, the President authorized the use of up to $10 million from the Emergency Refugee and Migration Assistance Fund to respond to the unexpected and urgent refugee and migration needs resulting from the conflict in northern Mali. The emergency funds will be used to support the efforts of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees to provide lifesaving protection and assistance to those fleeing the conflict. Currently, almost 230,000 Malian refugees have fled to Algeria, Burkina Faso, Mauritania and Niger, while an additional 155,000 Malians are internally displaced.

    The United States is deeply concerned about the situation of the Malian people. We call on all parties to support the restoration of democratically elected civilian governance in Mali as soon as possible. Specifically, we ask that the interim government issue its roadmap for elections without delay so that preparations can begin in earnest. We reiterate our call for the military-led National Committee for the Restoration of Democracy (CNRD) to refrain from any interference in political matters. We strongly condemn the attacks against civilians in northern Mali, as well as the reported destruction and looting of religious, historical and cultural sites in Timbuktu. We call on the rebel groups in northern Mali to renounce any connection with terrorist groups and enter into legitimate political negotiations. In addition, we urge all parties to ensure neutral, impartial, and unhindered humanitarian access to all populations in northern Mali

    The United States continues to support the leadership of the Economic Community of West African States (ECOWAS) in its mediation efforts and will continue to consult with ECOWAS and other regional stakeholders on the best way to facilitate the political transition and restore peace and security across Mali.

  123. 393 utaustinliberal
    July 12, 2012 at 8:28 pm

  124. July 12, 2012 at 8:29 pm

    Drudge says Condi Rice is at top of VP list!

    • 395 lisalovesobama
      July 12, 2012 at 8:33 pm

      who cares? Condi is a Bushie. She can suck it. That won’t get him any votes.

      • 396 desertflower
        July 12, 2012 at 8:40 pm

        If he times this right, and names Condi…after the NAACP mess yesterday…..and the freeloaders comment…I think that move would just show the entire AA community the user he really is. Well…not like they didn’t already know. Condi would be obvious pander…..she’s useless to him

        • 397 lisalovesobama
          July 12, 2012 at 8:43 pm

          I don’t think black folks feel very optimistic about Condi. She had potential till she followed her husb sorry, president off of a cliff.

        • 401 COS
          July 12, 2012 at 8:45 pm

          Condi would be the same to Romney as sista Sarah was to McCain. (TOTALLY USELESS)

          • 402 0388jojothecat
            July 12, 2012 at 9:03 pm

            She won’t be his VP…..she is too thin skinned and besides, she ignored the document that said “Biden Ladin determined to attack the USA with plane”. She would get hammered and she knows it.

    • July 12, 2012 at 8:50 pm

    • July 12, 2012 at 8:52 pm

      that drudge bit was just put out there because of the negative outing at the NAACP——and to distract from all the Willard Lies getting attention today.

    • 406 anniebella
      July 12, 2012 at 8:55 pm

      Won’t work Mitt, despite what you Mormons think, blacks are not stupid. Condi Rice won’t mean a thing toward black voters. Mitt Romney disrespected black Americans yesterday, and we know who and what the real Mitt Romney is. Condi Rice won’t help.

  125. 407 utaustinliberal
    July 12, 2012 at 8:37 pm

  126. 411 Dudette
    July 12, 2012 at 8:45 pm

    Arrgh! Do we have the world’s most dim-witted, useless, waste-of -oxygen Press Corps or what? Check this excerpt from today’s White House Press Briefing. Unfortunately, the transcript doesn’t say exactly which nutball reporter thought this would be a substantive question to ask WH Press Secretary Jay Carney. Dear God, save us from these fools!

    “Q I know this has been asked for years, but one thing that people — at least on the — among his opponents, continue to bring up is the — his college records.

    MR. CARNEY: Right. This is a Donald Trump question, which I think —

    Q That’s the Donald Trump.

    MR. CARNEY: — he’s the one who brings it up the most.

    Q But what’s the answer to that particular question?

    MR. CARNEY: I would refer you to the campaign. It is preposterous — this is from the guy who insisted that he didn’t believe the President was born in the United States. And it is funny, every once in a while when I sit back in my office and remember all the things that seemed to be the most important issue of the day, and there were briefings after briefings where that was the most important issue of the day, to the point where we had to solicit the long form of the President’s birth certificate.

    And again, the President’s record on transparency is extremely sound. He has provided the kind of documentation that candidates for President have now, by tradition, provided for 30 years. And he believes it’s the right thing to do.”

    • 412 desertflower
      July 12, 2012 at 8:52 pm

      Someone ought to make a YouTube video, and ask these STUPID QUESTIONS…..while scrolling the truly important issues of the nation and the world….and then email, Tweet etc…every single WH reporter so they can understand how utterly stupid and pathetic they are! Some company is NOT getting a return for investment! Neither are we.

    • 413 lisalovesobama
      July 12, 2012 at 8:53 pm

      At some point in PBO’s second term. I hope Cutie Patootie goes off on the press.

    • 414 Dudette
      July 12, 2012 at 8:55 pm

      Correction — it was asked someone named “Jeff” (no last name appears in the transcript). Here’s the beginning of the exchange:

      “Yes, Jeff.

      Q Jay, can the President do more to show leadership on being transparent with regard to documents, records, his own background? That’s another sort of underlying theme here that the campaigns are clearly going at.

      MR. CARNEY: Are you talking about Donald Trump? (Laughter.)

      Q Not talking about Donald Trump.

      MR. CARNEY: Well, you’d have to ask me a specific question. I think the President’s record of unprecedented levels of transparency in the White House is well established. His record as a candidate, both when he ran for the Senate and when he ran for President in 2008 and now as a candidate for reelection, in terms of transparency is a solid one and reflects a long tradition of being an open book, as I think he described it when he was asked this question not long ago.

      That’s part of the process. It’s not always pleasant or comfortable, but it has become a well-established tradition in our country to make available information about one’s private dealings. That just comes with the territory. So he not only accepts that but practices and believes that it’s the right thing.”

    • 417 Ladyhawke
      July 12, 2012 at 9:30 pm


      This question epitomizes the pathetic state of journalism coming from the jackals. Jay Rosen, Professor of Journalism at New York University had a post about the POST-TRUTH PHENOMENON of the Mitt Romney campaign. It’s chilling. SMDH

      If Mitt Romney were running a “post-truth” campaign, would the political press even report it?


      But what of a strategy that incorporates…

      1.) The lessons of the climate change debate, which is that you can run a political campaign against verifiable facts, and thereby weaken those facts in the public’s mind?

      2.) The Palin method, which is that you can invent stuff and stick to it when it is shown to be false because culture war politics feeds off the noise and friction when fictional claims are fact-checked by the mainstream media?

      3.) David Frum’s observation: “Backed by their own wing of the book-publishing industry and supported by think tanks that increasingly function as public-relations agencies, conservatives have built a whole alternative knowledge system, with its own facts, its own history, its own laws of economics.”

      4. Plain old-fashioned secrecy, as in: don’t release information, don’t explain.



  127. 418 0388jojothecat
    July 12, 2012 at 8:58 pm

    I think Robme is going to make a mistake and pick a bad choise for VP all just to get the heat off of him regarding his time at Bain (which aint going away) and his lack of providing financial records. It’s only July and Robme’s campaign is crumbling.

  128. July 12, 2012 at 9:29 pm


  129. 425 Dudette
    July 12, 2012 at 9:31 pm

    Mapping the conservative-Republican super PAC web [Go to site to see the relationship map]

    Time to round up the usual suspects. When we queried the Muckety database for contributors to the biggest Republican and conservative super PACs, we came up with some familiar names.

    We drew the Muckety map above by searching for crossovers among these outside groups, which have supported Republicans and opposed Democrats:
    Restore Our Future – supporting the Mitt Romney campaign
    Club for Growth Action
    American Crossroads
    Texas Conservatives Fund
    FreedomWorks for America
    Conservative Renewal
    (We did not include candidate super PACs supporting candidates who are not the presumptive Republican nominee.)

    The map shows major contributors to two or more of the selected super PACs. Six of them are billionaires:

    • Kenneth C. Griffin – Founder of hedge fund Citadel Investment
    • A. Jerrold Perenchio – Univision chairman
    • Trevor Rees-Jones – Founder of Chief Oil & Gas
    • Richard Mellon Scaife – Mellon heir
    • Harold C. Simmons – Chairman of Contran Corp., which is also a contributor to super PACs
    • Sam Zell – Real estate and publishing investor

    (Newspaper employees, current and former, might understandably question a system that allows Zell to contribute hundreds of thousands of dollars to political campaigns while one of his major investments, Tribune Company, works its way through bankruptcy. The Chicago Tribune reports today that a U.S. bankruptcy judge is expected to confirm a restructuring plan this week.)

    Although Texas homebuilder Bob Perry isn’t a billionaire, he contributes as if he were one. Perry has given to American Crossroads, Restore Our Future and Texas Conservatives Fund.

  130. July 12, 2012 at 9:32 pm

    Biden is in Wilmington, Delaware with no public events scheduled.
    9:40 AM
    Obama departs the White House en route Joint Base Andrews.
    9:55 AM
    Obama departs Joint Base Andrews en route Virginia Beach, Virginia.
    10:40 AM
    Obama arrives in Norfolk, Virginia.
    12:55 PM
    Obama delivers remarks at a campaign event at Green Run High School in Virginia Beach, VA .
    2:40 PM
    Obama departs Norfolk, Virginia en route Hampton, Virginia.
    3:05 PM
    Obama arrives in Hampton, Virginia.
    4:25 PM
    Obama delivers remarks at a campaign event at Phoebus High School, Hampton, VA.
    5:30 PM
    Obama departs Hampton, Virginia en route Roanoke, Virginia.

  131. July 12, 2012 at 9:36 pm

  132. 429 sherijr
    July 12, 2012 at 9:37 pm

    Holy smokes I had trouble getting on here tonight. Finally I watched VP Biden’s speech to the NAACP- he was on FIRE! He is so real and hit every note just perfecto. I am so grateful he has POTUS’ back… and ours.

  133. 432 amk for obama
    July 12, 2012 at 9:51 pm

    more drip, drip, drip. Allow the fuckers to lie themselves into a corner and then slam the door on them.

  134. 433 Linda Perry
    July 13, 2012 at 11:13 am

    It is finally good to see some media call Willard the liar out. I am so so glad the Obama campaign is doing it.

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