This and That

President Obama walks with National Security Advisor Tom Donilon in the West Wing of the White House, July 11 (Pete Souza)


Richard Adams (The Guardian): What will be overlooked in discussion of the booing of Mitt Romney is what he actually called healthcare reform: a “non-essential programme”.

Here’s the quote:

“I will eliminate all the expensive non-essential programmes I can find, that includes Obamacare”

Healthcare is “non-essential,” is it Mitt Romney? Maybe that’s what people were booing: the idea that federally-funded health provision for America’s poorest such as Medicaid was “non-essential”.



ThinkProgress: To hear conservatives and Tea Partiers tell it, President Obama is a serial tax-raiser who has increased taxes on “millions of Americans.” But according to the latest data from the Congressional Budget Office, tax rates under Obama hit a 30-year low in 2009, in part because of the tax cuts he implemented in response to the country’s economic downturn…

More here


ThinkProgress: In a vote of 244 to 185, the House of Representatives has repealed the Affordable Care Act — just days after the Supreme Court upheld its constitutionality.

This is the 31st attempt by Congressional Republicans to eliminate the measure. The GOP has spent an estimated “88 hours and 53 minutes” since January of 2011 trying to undo the reform, an analysis by Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi’s (D-CA) office finds, though this latest bill is expected to die in the Democratic-controlled Senate.

More here



David Usborne (UK Independent): Mitt Romney received an embarrassingly rough reception from members of the NAACP, the country’s oldest black civil rights organisation yesterday, which erupted into boos and shouts of disapproval when he said he meant to overturn Barack Obama’s healthcare reforms.

His rocky ride at the NAACP convention in Houston came as he faced a wave of new assaults from the campaign of President Obama over his apparent failure fully to disclose the extent of and the reasons for his multiple holdings overseas, including now or in the past in Switzerland and the Cayman Islands.

The murkiness of his personal financial affairs is emerging as a potential drag for Mr Romney who so far has released tax returns for only 2010 and an estimate for 2011. Democrats are contrasting him with his father, George Romney, who, when he ran for the White House in 1967, released 12 years of returns.

…. The tax filings released during the primaries last winter forced Mr Romney to revise earlier financial disclosures, which had made no mention of some 20 newly revealed overseas holdings – a fact highlighted in a harsh New York Times editorial yesterday….

….Chip off the old block? No, his father divulged his wealth…

Read full article here


ABC: Mitt Romney offered a slightly inaccurate version of his tax return history in an interview today, saying he’s released two years of tax returns and that he has released the “same level of information” as John McCain and John Kerry.

…. The presumptive GOP nominee has released one year of his returns and an estimate of his 2011 returns…

John McCain released two years, but John Kerry actually released more than that in his 2004 race, going back to 1999. He released many more returns as a United States senator, as many as twenty. McCain released a total of six documents, two for himself, two for his wife Cindy McCain, and two for the McCain Family Foundation.

…His father, George Romney, started the precedent of presidential candidates’ releasing returns when he released 12 years during his 1968 run for president, but Mitt Romney has so far resisted calls for to release more years. President Obama has released 12 years.

In the interview, Mitt Romney changed the subject in order to hit the president for the Fast and Furious gun-walking scandal…

More here

145 Responses to “This and That”

  1. 1 amk for obama
    July 11, 2012 at 10:41 pm


    • 2 Pamela
      July 11, 2012 at 10:43 pm

      Wot? You?

    • July 11, 2012 at 10:44 pm

      Of course you are!!!

    • 4 hopefruit2
      July 11, 2012 at 10:44 pm

      Congrats amk on #1!!

    • 5 desertflower
      July 11, 2012 at 11:55 pm

      Partner! Yea!

    • 6 nathkatun7
      July 12, 2012 at 12:42 am

      Congrats on being first, amk. I really appreciated your passionate comments on earlier threads pointing out the NAACP mistake in inviting Willard, “the serial and compulsive liar,” Romney. Without a doubt, Romney used his NAACP speech to provoke angry response from the Black people listening to him. All along his targeted audiences were the MSM who would then, dutifully, broadcast the Black reaction and thus help to energize white racists. I don’t know how these things work in politics; but, in hindsight, I just don’t see what NAACP stood to gain by listening to this unprincipled and manipulative man who cares less about people who are not as rich as he is.

    • July 12, 2012 at 5:49 pm

      How do I get this BIG Follow sign to collapse? Eventually is does it on its own but how can I do it?

  2. 8 Proud Former White House Intern
    July 11, 2012 at 10:41 pm

    Love it!

  3. 11 amk for obama
    July 11, 2012 at 10:43 pm

    a slightly inaccurate version ???

    Trust the corrupt third rate fourth estate to have the back of a lying, corrupt rethug. Always.

    • July 11, 2012 at 10:46 pm

      The “slightly” caught my eye too amk, comical stuff – I’m just surprised ABC raised the issue at all.

    • 13 nathkatun7
      July 12, 2012 at 12:57 am

      Amk, you have such a keen eye! There is nothing slight about what Romney is doing. Mitt Romney is running on his record as the head of Bain Capital. That’s how he made his fortune. We need to see all his Tax Returns from his Bain years because he is running on his record as a businessman. Two years of returns (when, as he told one of his Florida audiences, he was unemployed) will tell us nothing about his tenure as this super businessman who was creating hundreds of thousands of jobs. The U.S. media are totally failing this country. They should be the ones demanding to see this information.

  4. 14 yardarm756
    July 11, 2012 at 10:43 pm

    Ya’ll are fast.

    • 15 Pamela
      July 11, 2012 at 10:44 pm

      Zoom, zoom…

    • 16 hopefruit2
      July 11, 2012 at 10:49 pm

      That’s why I’m claiming #1 for the next thread. I’ll be asleep (or at work) when the next thread is posted and I don’t want to miss my position in line.

      FIRST! Thanks in advance Chips. 🙂 🙂 🙂

      • July 11, 2012 at 10:50 pm

        Congrats Hopefruit! 😆

        • 18 hopefruit2
          July 11, 2012 at 10:54 pm

          Thanks a million Chips! I’ll be waiting appropriately for my diamond medal on the next thread. Meanwhile, I’m enjoying this thread thoroughly.

        • 19 vcprezofan2
          July 12, 2012 at 1:13 am

          Is THIS how it’s being done now? Works for me. I’m going to be on the road all day tomorrow, car to airplane to airplane to car one way (have I mentioned that I hate flying and being away from home generally?) so I’m calling first on the thread after the one Hopefruit called first on.

          “FIRST” on the thread after the thread Hopefruit picked! Thanks in advance, Chips Chica! 😆 😆
          / Really Nice to have that taken care of ahead of time. Hf has some neat ideas from time to time./ 😉 😉

      • 20 nathkatun7
        July 12, 2012 at 1:06 am

        Hoefriiut2, I actually enjoy being last because I get to read all of you guys brilliant comments. I think Chipsticks should now and then award a prize for those who persist in finishing the marathon, even though they may come in last.

        • 21 vcprezofan2
          July 12, 2012 at 1:17 am

          I second that, Nath! It would give us a pic or two at the end of the thread. I’m also lobbying for 1st, 2nd, & 3rd place awards starting in September, so that when other TODobots intervene between the first 3 arrivals the pics of our top guys/gals will get spread over the thread.

  5. 22 sabreen60
    July 11, 2012 at 10:46 pm

    • 23 isonprize
      July 11, 2012 at 10:50 pm

      Sabreen, great minds think alike!!! 😎

    • July 11, 2012 at 10:57 pm

      Mitt Romney has said this to anyone not voting Republican. He said it to a woman asking about contraceptives and I believe a couple of other times. Once I heard him say he’s not going to put money in people’s pockets.

      • 25 isonprize
        July 11, 2012 at 11:15 pm

        It’s a lame comment to that woman also. It’s insulting, as if there aren’t things that a government does that benefit people. I LIKE well paved interstate highways, clean water that I can drink and bathe in, bridges that don’t fall down, airplanes that don’t fall out of the sky.

        He’s an idiot, a mean-spirited, insensitive, not-gonna-be-POTUS idiot.

      • 26 jacquelineoboomer
        July 11, 2012 at 11:17 pm

        He can keep his money, if he just promises to go home and get off the national stage. #SickOfRomneyBigTime

    • 29 57andFemale
      July 11, 2012 at 11:13 pm

      Corporate welfare? Oil company CEO’s? Fixing the Olympics on the federal dime? Stashing money to ‘free’ you from taxes everywhere but the country you want to lead?

      That free stuff, Mittens?

    • 31 nathkatun7
      July 12, 2012 at 1:12 am

      How does that old saying go? “A people without a vision perish.” If the people of United States choose to elect this visionless man, with no core moral or humane principles, then I say the country is headed to disaster.

    • 32 jackiegrumbacher
      July 12, 2012 at 7:33 am

      An other presidential candidate in any other time would be crucified for this kind of blatant racism–even by many Republicans. We’ve sunk so low in this country thanks to the brutalization of the American psyche and the emergence of the tea party that blatant racism is no longer a disqualifier. Of course, Romney is also talking about ANYONE who receives government help through Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security, green energy tax support, improved infrastructure, health care of any sort and disaster support. In other words, these racist comments are directed at all of us who are not rich, self-satisfied fat cats.

    • 33 Betsy
      July 12, 2012 at 9:24 am

      Sorry, Mr. Romney, the only people getting free stuff are the corporations that you claim are people.

  6. 34 isonprize
    July 11, 2012 at 10:46 pm

    Per Rachel Maddow: R-money, after the NAACP “speech” :

    “Remind them of this, if they want more stuff from Government tell them to go vote for the other guy-more free stuff. But don’t forget nothing is really free.”

    OR should I say END OF QUOTE? tee-hee

  7. 36 isonprize
    July 11, 2012 at 10:49 pm

    Also, R-money had 200 supporters bussed in to clap for him…

    Mitt Romney Tried to Rig NAACP Crowd by Flying in His Own African Americans

    • July 11, 2012 at 11:28 pm

      His own personal UNCLE RUCKUS section

    • 40 jacquelineoboomer
      July 11, 2012 at 11:40 pm

      That headline, ” … Flying In His Own African Americans” was really unnecessary on their part, even though it apparently happened. Just sayin’.

      Is it November, yet?

      • 41 isonprize
        July 11, 2012 at 11:43 pm

        Yeah, I started to comment on that also. the “His Own” was not needed. Could/should have been “…African-American paid supporters” That would have been the truth.

        and NO, unfortunately, it’s NOT November 7, 2012 yet. Can’t come fast enough…

        • 42 jacquelineoboomer
          July 11, 2012 at 11:46 pm

          At least we’re closing in on the date!

          President Obama will win re-election in a landslide. Pass it on!

  8. 44 amk for obama
    July 11, 2012 at 10:52 pm

    Off to see my aunt. Gunnite folks.

  9. July 11, 2012 at 10:56 pm

    Mitt Romney is making me respect John “Sarah-Palin-Joe-the-plumber” McCain. I did not know that was possible.

    • 54 hopefruit2
      July 11, 2012 at 11:25 pm

      I’m having the same thoughts…never thought I would EVER feel this way about McCain and his pitbull.

  10. 55 lamh35
    July 11, 2012 at 11:00 pm

    who are the pool reporters guys?

    • 56 isonprize
      July 11, 2012 at 11:12 pm

      so, a “pool” report is when one or two reporters are sent to do a story and report back to the “pool” of reporters who didn’t get assigned to the story. Back when reporters actually reported the facts, this was an efficient way to allow more national stories to get covered. Since they lie so much nowadays, I’m not so sure it’s a good thing anymore.

  11. July 11, 2012 at 11:00 pm

    Can’t wait to hear VP Joe tomorrow at NAACP.

  12. 62 isonprize
    July 11, 2012 at 11:09 pm

    h/t to GLH over at Prag Obots

    The video is a bit shaky, and it includes some still shots, but photog does say that he didn’t have his tri-pod. The diversity in the audience always strikes me. I LOVE FLOTUS!!

    FLOTUS Michelle Obama in Miami, Florida – Rally at Barbara Goleman Senior High in Miami Lakes, Florida, July 9, 2012

  13. 66 Martha
    July 11, 2012 at 11:12 pm

    Goodnite TODs

    Went to renew my driving license in ga today, I had to produce 5 pieces of ID verification. This a new process started on July first. Please please everyone register to vote, vote these jackass out of power. We need to sent a strong message. After hearing what that ass Rommey said tonight about vote for the other guy if we want free stuff. He make me sick.

  14. July 11, 2012 at 11:13 pm

    What he’s done for us … ALL of us ….

    What we must do for him ….

  15. 70 sherijr
    July 11, 2012 at 11:14 pm

    Them? He said “them”??? about a segment of the American people. I’m going to say this… a couple of days ago I caught out the guy buying my house as a bigot.. I mentioned our exchange here on TOD- and thank you to all who replied. What I learned a day later is that this man is also a Mormon, I honestly do not know if the two go hand in hand, having only met 3 mormons in my life.. but if its part of the teaching that black, hispanic, Native folks are the “other” – then what the damn hell?? For Romney to refer to the audience he spoke to at the NAACP as “them” – to catagorize “them” as folks who vote for the President of the United States because “free stuff” is what they’re about is the sorriest, most bigotted, racist crap I’ve heard from an actual Presidential candidate. Every damn clear headed person in this country needs to make it our mission to see this CREEP lose BIG.

    • 71 isonprize
      July 11, 2012 at 11:19 pm

      Yeah, Myth R-money said “them” Remember (who could forget??) THIS is the guy who started singing “Who let the dogs out?” when he was with a group of black kids. What the …??

    • 75 anniebella
      July 11, 2012 at 11:22 pm

      sherijr, It goes hand in hand, Mormons believe blacks are beneath whites. Blacks are cursed, that is their beliefs. Mitt and Ann Romney has that superior attitude, we are better than you cause we are white and rich.

      • 76 sherijr
        July 11, 2012 at 11:34 pm

        I was trying to decide if they’re bigots first and thus drawn to the Mormon religion.. or if they’re Mormons who are taught the bigotry. I hate to catagorize people, to lump them into one group… but Romney’s words today/ tonight are so similiar to this guy buying my house.

    • 77 desertflower
      July 12, 2012 at 12:02 am

      I mentioned this very thing in the last thread. The way he refers to AA’s as “them” made me furious. I’m glad that I wasn’t the only one that noticed that…

    • 79 nathkatun7
      July 12, 2012 at 4:45 am

      Well said Sherijr! Romney is the most cynical Presidential candidate. He did not go to the NAACP to extend a hand of friendship. He went there to provoke angry reaction so that he could use that reaction to appeal to more white voters. I hope fair minded white voters are able to see through this disgusting man who would do any thing, no matter how low and despicable, to win.

  16. 80 carolyn
    July 11, 2012 at 11:20 pm

    I’ve known many Mormons and worked with them. This attitude is not uncommon, and was totally condoned by the hierarchy of the Mormon church.

    • 81 anniebella
      July 11, 2012 at 11:34 pm

      carolyn, that’s what is in Mitt Romney’s heart, that is the teaching of his church, the teaching that he follows.

      • 82 sherijr
        July 11, 2012 at 11:38 pm

        Years ago I worked with a wonderful elderly woman in CA who was Mormon… she was very kind to me and good hearted. But when she and I went to her church rummage sale.. she told me to beware that folks would be rude/impolite because of my children, who are mixed race. She was very protective of us, but she was also obviously not of the same mind as her fellow church members or teachings.

    • 83 isonprize
      July 11, 2012 at 11:50 pm

      not that long ago…. Until 1978. And, I don’t have a link to the news article, but I’m pretty sure that was also around the time there was discussion of revoking the tax exempt status of religions that discriminated against people because of the color of their skin, creed, national origin, etc.

      Hmmm. I wonder if that had ANYTHING to do with their ‘official’ stance?

  17. 84 criquet
    July 11, 2012 at 11:29 pm

    Romney and his campaign caught LYING again:

    • 85 Vicky
      July 12, 2012 at 12:19 am

      Please, everyone, send this link around. This is an important article. I certainly hope Romney is not going to get away with his constant lying.

    • 86 desertflower
      July 12, 2012 at 12:21 am

      OMG. PBO could juxtapose what he says, with what the actual records show. Deadly. They HAVE to stress this. His lying is scary…

  18. 87 lamh35
    July 11, 2012 at 11:30 pm

    Found the full quote:

    But I hope people understand this, your friends who like Obamacare, you remind them of this, if they want more stuff from government tell them to go vote for the other guy — more free stuff. But don’t forget nothing is really free. it has to paid for by people in the private sector creating goods and services, and if people want jobs more than they want free stuff from government, then they are going to have to get government to be smaller. And if they don’t want to repeal Obamacare they are going to have to give me some other stuff they are thinking about cutting, but my list takes Obamacare off first and I have a lot of other things I am thinking of cutting.”


    • 88 isonprize
      July 11, 2012 at 11:34 pm

      What??? People “NOT IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR” don’t pay taxes? What the hell is this whistlehead talking about???

      Myth CREATED Romneycare!! It’s what “Obamacare” is based on. What an idiot.

    • July 11, 2012 at 11:35 pm

      OMG, the rest of it is just as bad. He’s just a completely disgusting horror show.

    • 90 Tally
      July 12, 2012 at 1:54 am

      I am sick to fucking death of this bull shit. Public sector WORKERS, pay taxes, are paid in the same US DOLLAR currency as those in the private sector. Their money is just as good. They spend money in the same economy. They participate in the same democracy. They’re all living in the same country. They vote. They’re US CITIZENS.

      • 91 nathkatun7
        July 12, 2012 at 5:05 am

        Very well said Tally! I am just so sick of Romney’s repeated nonsense that private sector workers are somehow superior to public sector workers. If he thinks that is true then why is he running to be President of the United States? Somebody needs to remind this idiot that a President of the United States is a public sector worker. His salary, health care, secret service, cooks, WH aides, AF1, Marine1, WH grounds keeper, etc., etc., are all paid by our tax dollars. Enough of his BS about business and private sector. For the past 8 years Romney has not worked a single day. All he has been doing is run for President. He hates government so much yet he wants the number one job in government. I am sick of this hypocrite and his fellow right wing hypocrites who demonize government but who have spent all their lives government positions.

    • 92 57andfemale
      July 12, 2012 at 7:22 am

      It’s not the public sector worker. It’s the corporate welfare and subsidies that shovel our tax dollars to ceo’s and the likes of Bain.

  19. 93 utaustinliberal
    July 11, 2012 at 11:31 pm

    I never thought I’d see an election where Sarah Palin looked better than any GOP nominee, but Romney has just taken first place. After his statement tonight, he has solidified himself as the candidate for the KKK.

  20. 94 sabreen60
    July 11, 2012 at 11:33 pm

    EXCLUSIVE: Romney Invested Millions in Chinese Firm That Profited on US Outsourcing

  21. 95 utaustinliberal
    July 11, 2012 at 11:47 pm

    • 96 jacquelineoboomer
      July 12, 2012 at 1:36 am

      Wish David Corn would get an eventual journalism award or something out of all of the investigative work he’s reporting, on behalf of Mother Jones. He seems to be out there in front on all of these issues. Plus, his heart’s in the game.

  22. 97 Bill R.
    July 11, 2012 at 11:51 pm

    • 98 Bill R.
      July 11, 2012 at 11:52 pm

      This is going viral and being posed on media outlets. Good go’in Mitt. Keep that mouth flapping. We learn more and more about “what’s in your heart.”

      • 99 HZ
        July 12, 2012 at 1:06 am

        Bill R., that is so true. Remember, “Out of the heart the mouth speaks.” The things Mitt deeply believes, lives, daily, invests his time in, invests his acts in constantly will give the American people what he really is inside. All of the money in the world could never make Mitt shine forth the better angel part of his being, and that is the sad part about his life. There is nothing to really like about Willard, that I can see.

        So, we will move on and try very hard to enjoy the wonderfulness in our president and do all good and wonderful things to get him re-elected for the good of all Americans. We know and see daily how beautiful POB’s spirit comes forth with much peace, joyfulness, compassion, and pure down to earth levels of love for all mankind. I think we will surely stick with our beautiful gift, President Barack Obama and VP Joe Biden.

        Good Nite Chips and my TOD Family. Be peaceful, content, grateful, loving, and proud to be a part of this great presidency during these very difficult time. However, we will move FORWARD with a great man, President Obama. ((((((((( Love coming to my TOD Family)))))))))))HZ

    • July 12, 2012 at 12:34 am

      The comments are interesting….! Romney has riled up a lot of people….

    • July 12, 2012 at 12:48 am

      I’ll certainly do all I can to spread this one, Bill …

      Check my TL for additional recipients ….

    • July 12, 2012 at 12:58 am

      Bill, I know it’s the ‘orange place’ but the list is something everyone should have a copy ….

  23. 104 ChristiMTL
    July 12, 2012 at 12:04 am

    Goldie Taylor ‏@goldietaylor

    For the record, I don’t think Mitt is a racist. He’s a political opportunist. He’ll say whatever he thinks he needs 2 say 2 win an election.


    I don’t agree with that, he is a racist, does he have to wear a white robe to prove it?…You can’t show that kind of disdain and disrespect if you’re not a racist.

    Am I wrong?

    • 105 Walking_on_ Sunshine
      July 12, 2012 at 12:11 am

      No. You’re not wrong.

    • 106 thoughtful3
      July 12, 2012 at 12:16 am

      No, Christi, you must certainly cannot “show that kind of disdain and disrespect” and not be racist. Anyone who tells themselves otherwise is lying to themselves. I have kept my mouth shut through all of this today (mainly because I am just naturally a calm person and don’t get too worked up over much, and also because many have already voiced how I’ve been thinking and feel towards this man who running for the highest office in the land against our president), but his words and actions today are so beyond the pale…I just pray that this country does not put this man in office as president–for so many reasons, but today just really tops it. That is all I will say, because the more I think about it, the more I want to say other things about him (plus many cusswords/expletives) that would not be in my character or by the example set by our president.

      • 107 ChristiMTL
        July 12, 2012 at 12:28 am

        The level of ignorance is unbelievable…..polls after polls when the question is asked who would be better to handle the economy? Romney is always ahead of the President.

        I don’t even know how their logic work….do they think because he’s so rich that somehow he has what it take to make the country prosper?…Does it matter the way he made his fortune? All the lives he destroyed while walking away with millions….most of it in offshore accounts to avoid taxes….do they think the poor and the middle class are on his mind? at all?….

        He’s would destroy the economy, it would be the rich and the poor….nothing in between…..

        • 108 Walking_on_ Sunshine
          July 12, 2012 at 12:42 am

          It could just be an acknowledgement that people know the Republicans are deliberately holding the economy hostage.

    • 109 isonprize
      July 12, 2012 at 12:25 am

      This video is the best explanation I have ever seen that delves into this issue. Check it out… h/t illdoctrine

    • July 12, 2012 at 1:06 am

  24. 114 desertflower
    July 12, 2012 at 12:32 am


    While it’s extremely unusual for someone who wants to be president to abuse offshore tax havens like this, it’s an all too common practice for many major American companies—and is most popular in the financial sector from which Romney comes.

    And perhaps not so mysteriously, some of the biggest abusers of offshore tax havens—along with some of the chief facilitators of this practice—seem to have gravitated to Romney’s re-election effort. Of the his campaign’s top eleven contributors, seven are financial firms with significant offshore tax haven activity.

    Of the four that do not have extensive tax havens themselves, two are accounting firms that do prolific business in helping set up those havens, and one is a Swiss bank where employees are currently under a federal investigation for helping to facilitate potentially illegal abuse of offshore tax havens.

    So while Romney is currently downplaying his use of offshore tax havens, maintaining those evasion structures is no doubt a top priority of the people and industries funding his campaign:

    The story also lists the top campaign donors to Romney and companies that offshore their money…all like Mitt.

  25. 116 ChristiMTL
    July 12, 2012 at 12:37 am

    Interresting video….the right predicted the same doom and gloom when Clinton raised taxes.


  26. 117 lamh35
    July 12, 2012 at 12:41 am

    Good night guys, I’ll leave ya’ll with this:

    Oh, BTW, if you were wondering if Romney maybe wasn’t directly responding about the NAACP please check this link out:

    Romney On NAACP Booing: If They Want More Free Stuff From The Government Vote Obama

    …The quote comes from a pool report, which leaves open the slim possibility of a transcription error or two, but it is being reported as a direct quote. Greta Van Susteren posted an excerpt of the report with the fuller context, in which Romney brags about not attenuating his message to the NAACP crowd…

    “By the way, I had the privelege of speaking today at the NAACP convention in Houston and I gave them the same speech I am giving you. I don’t give different speeches to different audiences alright. I gave them the same speech. When I mentioned I am going to get rid of Obamacare they weren’t happy, I didn’t get the same response. That’s ok, I want people to know what I stand for and if I don’t stand for what they want, go vote for someone else, that’s just fine…

    And this the rest I posted upthread.

    • 118 lamh35
      July 12, 2012 at 12:58 am

      Good night guys, I think I’m done with this now. I’ve already read what the explanation will be, cause I’ve been to blogs on our side and they are already saying that it’s obvious that Romney did not mean NAACP, that he was just spouting the generic GOP meme about supporters of Obamacare seeking “free stuff” from government. Over at comment thread at GOS, they are already saying that Rachel Maddow is wrong for reporting the original quote that made it seem that Romney was talking about “Blah” people.

      These are probable the same people who swore up and down that Santorum didn’t say “Blah” people.

      Whatever PL idiots…whatever.

  27. 119 desertflower
    July 12, 2012 at 12:43 am

    Could happen. If they ALL stuck together for a change.


    In a Wednesday morning meeting with progressive bloggers, Democratic members expressed confidence that the entire law—including the Medicaid expansion—would ultimately be implemented and were candid about what they believed the larger Republican strategy was.

    “Same crap, different day,” said Representative Gwen Moore of Wisconsin. “Republicans have fought against the New Deal, the Great Society, the expansion of Social Security, the establishment of the Social Security Act, Medicaid, Medicare—from day one. This is just another day.

    “I think they’re most afraid of there being proof that it saves money towards the deficits, that it brings down costs, and I think when it’s fully implemented people will see the actual benefits of it,” Moore continued. “They know they’ve got to cut it off at the pass. They’ve got to cut off before it’s fully implemented.”

    This was a theory echoed by several different members—that Republicans were desperate to obscure what the bill actually does. “The right-wing Tea Party voice that has been heard here against the bill has been very effective at getting people to hate the label,” said Representative Sam Farr. “But what they’ve failed at are getting people to hate the ingredients. Because the ingredients are things that are really helping people.”

  28. 120 desertflower
    July 12, 2012 at 12:52 am


    On Wednesday morning Mitt Romney addressed the NAACP, the nation’s oldest civil rights organization. In most recent years Republican presidents and candidates have avoided speaking to the NAACP. That makes sense, since they oppose civil rights.


    In his remarks Romney emphasized his education reform plan, something he has almost never talked about since he announced it. Rather than showing that he is serious about improving social mobility, this reaffirms that he is simply copying the Bush playbook on how to pretend you care about poor urban children while promising to cut programs they depend on, such as Medicaid.

    The rest of Romney’s speech was the same pitch he makes to every group: the economy is stagnant, and I will grow it. You could do a find-and-replace for “Latinos,” “women,” “African-Americans” or, for that matter, “Inuits” and his speech would be the same.

    There is no question that the economic downturn has been especially hard on black families. But Romney seems to either not know or not care that people have other political interests besides macroeconomic indicators. The NAACP was set up to advocate for legal equality for African-Americans. The last Republican president, George W. Bush, eviscerated legal protections against racial discrimination. His Equal Employment Opportunity Commission only concerned itself with “reverse discrimination” while he appointed federal judges who are hostile to civil rights. Will Romney do the same? He did not say.

  29. 121 desertflower
    July 12, 2012 at 12:59 am


    ANALYSIS: Mitt Romney’s Tax Plan Will Help Rich People And Hurt Most Americans

    Mitt Romney’s proposal for personal taxes will help the country’s highest earners much more than other taxpayers.
    And since the problem with the economy is not that the richest Americans don’t have enough money–they do–but instead that the vast American middle class, which contributes most of the spending in the economy, is broke and deeply indebted, putting even more money in the hands of the richest Americans won’t help the economy. It will just put more money in the hands of the richest Americans.
    What is less obvious is that Romney’s big proposed tax cut–chopping the corporate tax rate from 35% to 25%–will also be a boon to the richest Americans, because they’re the ones that own most of the country’s corporations.
    And this tax cut also won’t help the economy–because, again, the problem with the economy is not that corporations can’t afford to hire people and make investments. Corporations can afford this. Today’s corporate profit margins are the highest in history, and corporations already have so much cash that they don’t know what to do with it.
    Again, the problem in the economy is that the corporations’ end customers–the hundreds of millions of people in America’s middle class–are broke. So there’s no reason for corporations to hire anyone else or make additional investments–because American consumers can’t afford to buy more products even if the corporations make them.
    Moreover, far from American corporations paying usurious taxes relative to the rest of the world, our companies actually pay relatively low tax rates–because most companies take full advantage of dozens of corporate tax loopholes.
    So, although Romney pitches his corporate tax cut as a way to “make America more competitive,” it will really just make certain Americans–and certain foreigners, those who own American corporations–richer, by inflating the value of the corporations. And it won’t help the economy. In fact, by increasing wealth inequality in the country, it may well hurt it.

  30. 125 vcprezofan2
    July 12, 2012 at 1:36 am

    I ‘m going to bed now, but will one of you please carry the comment below over to the ‘Rise & Shine’ thread Tomorrow. Thank you!


    Good Morning Chips & TODvillle! By the time you get this I should be on the road on my 13 hour odyssey. I will check in IF/when I can.

    Here’s today’s focus for #CanMittMatchThis?
    Thursday – Healthcare; Social Security; Medicare

    Also, don’t forget to remind your local OFA group and all of your personal contacts to feed the ‘tip jar’! #

    Have a ‘Terrific Thursdayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!

  31. 129 Bill R.
    July 12, 2012 at 1:42 am

    Important to remember that MItt Romney was schooled in a doctrine that black people possess the mark of Cain and are condemned to perpetual inferiority of worth. Until the Church had a new “revelation” in 1978. By then Mitt was into his early 30s as a fully formed adult in these beliefs, this is what he was taught and what he taught others as a Mormon missionary, the legacy of institutionalized racism and oppression blessed by religion and his religious hero, Brigham Young:

  32. 130 ChristiMTL
    July 12, 2012 at 1:47 am

    I notice on Twitter than Romney’s comments are not quoted properly……Huff, Mediaite…

    Mediaite ‏@mediaite

    Romney On NAACP Booing: If They Want More Free Stuff From The Government Vote Obama

    He didn’t say Obama, he said ”vote for the other guy”…….direspectful jerk.

    He usually refer to the President as ”this President”….his face would crack in half if he would say President Obama it seem.

    I hate the tradition in the States that they keep their titles for life….when they refer to him as Governor Romney…..it’s weird to me.

    We don’t have that in Canada, nobody in the media or not in the media would refer for exemple to Jean Chrétien as Prime Minister Chrétien…never…

    It’s former prime minister Jean Chrétien or Jean Chrétien.

  33. 132 Dudette
    July 12, 2012 at 1:53 am

    Full video of First Lady Michelle Obama’s Chats with Mamiverse Latina Moms in Nationwide Broadcast

    • 133 4morefor44
      July 12, 2012 at 5:56 am

      flotus is incredible. she even can handle that overbearing moderator and “cnn contributor” with complete grace and strength, all while contributing her own interesting insights and having real interaction with those other women. incredible!

  34. 134 4morefor44
    July 12, 2012 at 2:15 am

    boy, i’m noticing this theme around here about mittbot making people forget about the horror that was/is known as mccain/pailn. i’ll have to nip that in bud now:

    and what she’s done since then…omg! won’t even start on the mccain lunacy (bomb, bomb, iran…he joked about the killing of thousands and starting yet another unnecessary war), and I’d still suggest we’ve already had a president as bad or worse than the mittbot, and we must never forget this, and let time sort of dampen those experiences. never forget. never:

    every republican in your life brought these people onto the world, and are trying to do it again. forward!!!

    • 135 Dudette
      July 12, 2012 at 2:17 am

      Thank you 4! Knocked it out of the park!!

    • 136 0388jojothecat
      July 12, 2012 at 2:43 am

      GWB choked on that prezel and passed out about a month after he was appointed to the office by the SCOTUS and ever since then he was never right. It was as though his brain was deprived of oxygen and he seemed like from that time forward he struggled to find the correct words. You notice Robme acts like this already like it’s the beginning of dementia.

  35. 137 Dudette
    July 12, 2012 at 3:35 am

    The chart in this article alone needs to go VIRAL!!!
    Chart: GOP Votes on Healthcare Versus Jobs Legislation

  36. 140 purpleshoesla
    July 12, 2012 at 3:51 am

    IMHO some reasoned ANTI-hair on fire commentary from Sullivan about teh dronezzz conundrum:

    … “The essay, as with everything from Junod, is well worth reading – a fair but powerful case against drones and the targeted killing of enemy combatants. This strikes me as its [Junod’s] nub:

    ‘The danger of the Lethal Presidency is that the precedent you establish is hardly ever the precedent you think you are establishing,
    and whenever you seem to be describing a program that is limited and temporary, you are really describing a program that is expansive
    and permanent.’

    As to the drone war, what would Junod have Obama do? The alternatives are either long-term occupation of Jihadist-spawning countries, or a decision to end all military responses to Jihadist terror, or a more focused drone campaign that can minimize civilian casualties while taking out key enemies planning to kill Western and Muslim civilians. I harbor severe worries about the unintended consequences of the drone war, and deeply regret civilian casualties. But there were around 100,000 civilian casualties caused by the Iraq occupation. Obama’s record is simply not comparable with the widespread destruction and immorality of the Bush-Cheney era.

    So Obama has waged the war he promised (against al Qaeda) with minimalist but lethal means (drones). He has been far more successful in killing Jihadists before they kill us than Bush, with Osama the most conspicuous example. He has ended torture; he has withdrawn every soldier from Iraq; and is winding down the Afghanistan campaign. If you are a utopian liberal who projected onto Obama peacenik pretensions he never claimed himself, you can, I guess, be outraged. And the danger of precedent and blowback is real and deserves airing. But the idea that a more moral, more lethal and less casualty-laden fight against al Qaeda is some kind of betrayal of Obama’s promise just baffles me.

    It is not a betrayal. It is a promise kept.”


  37. 141 Bill
    July 12, 2012 at 4:32 am

    Everytime Willard mentions his experience at the Winter Olympics he should be reminded of the $1.3 billion free handout from the federal government that John McCain railed against. I have never heard anyone ask him about this.

  38. July 12, 2012 at 7:34 am

    GM. Anyone else watching Bill Press and the topic he is discussing: The USA Olympic uniforms–very expensive for the participants to buy: example: skirt for the ladies is almost $500 (fairly sure I heard that correctly) and EVERYTHING IS MADE IN CHINA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OMG, that is awful. Believe I heard they will have the Ralph Lauren label so he makes a bundle of money and gets all that “free” advertising.

  39. July 12, 2012 at 7:41 am

    CHILLICOTHE, Ohio — A cheer erupted at about 8 on a June evening as a woman scrawled with red marker on paper taped to the wall: the small group in a storefront Obama campaign office in this Mayberry-like southern Ohio town had exceeded the night’s goal of calling 700 voters with an hour to go, despite time out for a pep talk from a surprise visitor, former Gov. Ted Strickland.

    On the Campaign Trail, Obama and Romney React to the Justices’ Decision (June 26, 2012)

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    Other volunteers entered information from the calls into computers — which voters would support President Obama, which were undecided and why — thereby expanding the VoteBuilder database instantly accessible at his campaign’s state headquarters in Columbus and at the national command center in Chicago. Much the same was happening in storefronts across the country, several hundred of them and growing.

    These are the hubs connecting Mr. Obama’s grass-roots army and his field marshals in state and national headquarters, who constantly process the raw data to map their next moves. For all of the attention to television advertising, the Obama campaign has made an investment likely to reach hundreds of millions of dollars — a gamble, really — in its ground game, with state-of-the-art technology for demographic data mining, consumer marketing, video production and social media, including the campaign’s own Dashboard social network to link, motivate and expand the ranks of volunteers.


  40. 145 amk for obama
    July 12, 2012 at 7:47 am

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