the rev carpet

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  1. 1 Dudette
    February 25, 2012 at 2:35 pm

    Happy Happy Everybody!

  2. 13 Dudette
    February 25, 2012 at 2:35 pm

    I’m the QUEEN OF THE WORLD!!!!!!!!!

  3. 29 Dave
    February 25, 2012 at 2:36 pm

    Yes and you’re FIRST TOO!

    • February 25, 2012 at 2:59 pm

      I don’t think the cross-over voting has ever had an effect. Previously, the only people I know who have done it have been trying to get a more moderate Republican on the ballot just in case. I know a few people who are talking about doing it now, and they don’t know what to do because there really is no good candidate. They’re evenly split between people voting for Santorum because they think he’s the easier one to beat in the general, and people voting for Romney because they are petrified that Santorum might even possibly in the furthest most reaches of probability win the election.

    • February 25, 2012 at 7:02 pm

      Oh,I plan to. Since Mittens getting help from his new BF, Dr Paul, ♪♫ Frothy Santorum ♫♪ all the way. Payback for George Wallace in ’72.

  4. 64 GGail
    February 25, 2012 at 2:46 pm

    That Rev Al and his producers put out a creative and informative show time and time again!

  5. February 25, 2012 at 2:47 pm

    It’s really time to bring everyone back from Afghanistan. This is a big waste of lives. I really hope that this would be the first thing PBO does after the election. Just bring them all back and let speical forces to do their thing.

    • 66 Dudette
      February 25, 2012 at 2:51 pm

      I could not agree more, BWD.

    • February 25, 2012 at 2:55 pm

      My only major disappointment, I have to admit. The killing of bin Laden was the opportunity to end the madness, proof – if it was needed – that those special forces could be infinitely more effective. And countless innocent Afghan and American lives would have been saved. I don’t get it, never have, never will.

      • 68 Tally
        February 25, 2012 at 3:10 pm

        I think it’s because there’s a certifiable nutjob running the country that we put there, who would sell us out to anyone with a suitcase nuke, and Pakistan = South East Afgahnistan.

        but that’s just a guess, I’m not in the military, and I leave that to the professionals. I’m quite sure there’s a metric shitload of info we don’t know.

      • February 25, 2012 at 3:27 pm

        Yea, mine too. I think this is the only issue that he’s showing some form of fear of the RW and the media. I have no doubt that he would bring them all back tomorrow. I can understand why he won’t do it now, but I do hope that his first speech the dat after the election would be announcing that this fucking stupid war is over.

        • 70 Tally
          February 25, 2012 at 3:37 pm

          I’m with you. 1000000000000000000000000000000% x ∞

          Then we can Seal Team / MI-6-ish everything from then on. Far more efficient and cost effective.

          (Yes, I watch too much TV.)

        • 71 prettyfoot58
          February 25, 2012 at 3:51 pm


          You think that the President stays in Afganistan because he is afraid of the RW and the media….

          why do you think rhat…

        • February 25, 2012 at 4:09 pm

          I honestly don’t think it’s about a fear of the RW or the media at all, BWD, I’m not sure most of them have much appetite for this Afghanistan madness either (they’re too busy lusting after a war on Iran) – Pakistan, I’m guessing, is why this is still going on.

          • February 25, 2012 at 4:36 pm

            I think that right now, they’ll use it as a crazy political football and if, god forbid, we’ll face some terror attack before the elections – and after he’ll decide to bring everyone home – he’ll lose the election. I get that, and right now even *I* don’t want him to say anything about it. But I do hope that he’ll kick their butts on November 7th.

            • 77 theo67
              February 25, 2012 at 6:14 pm

              Don’t forget that there are nuclear weapons barely guarded in Pakistan. That’s probably the biggest reason to stay in Afghanistan. Plus, the need to defund the terrorists who make a fortune from the poppy farmers/drug trade, to continue their wars around the world. Two very good reasons to keep the pressure on. I doubt a highly skilled strike team could manage to keep the nukes safe and re-orient the farming industry in the region all by themselves – it takes a fuller force of the military.

        • 78 closerange
          February 25, 2012 at 6:54 pm

          Leaving Afghanistan now will mean the Taliban will be back in power in a week. Bin Laden’s bosom buddy, Mullah Omar (if he’s still alive) would be back in charge. That nightmare scenario is PBO’s primary concern, fear of the RW and/or the media has nothing to do with it.

          If Karzai could govern on his own then the war would end this year.

    • 82 hopefruit2
      February 25, 2012 at 2:56 pm

      I think that’s what he will do. Ultimately I trust his judgement. We need to be careful to not make assessments based on the media reports – they are shifting from one issue to another depending on how they think it might be used as an election albatross over PBO. Last year after Bin Laden was killed, the MSM swore up and down that foreign policy/war/national security was not going to be an issue in 2012 – it was all about the economy and jobs. Then they shifted from jobs to the issue of taxes…then Kantor and FLOTUS….then they shifted to the social wedge issues like birth control, and all of these things have backfired…so they most recently tried pinning the rising gas prices on PBO, but he put that rest with his Miami speech..so now it’s back to the middle East with Syria, etc..when he deals with that, they will find something else…maybe the amount of sodium and cholesterol in Bo’s dog chow, while FLOTUS is preaching to eat healthy.

      Let the media flail..we don’t have to flail with them.

      • 83 nospin
        February 25, 2012 at 3:03 pm

        you are right about that hopefruit2.

        • 84 Pamela
          February 25, 2012 at 3:11 pm

          It’s a big ship, it cannot be turned around on a dime. It is turning, and the tides are rising. Yardarm, help me out here with some visuals… PBO is getting it done.

          • 85 Tally
            February 25, 2012 at 3:29 pm

            *steps in as Boatswain in the Capt’n’s absence…

            The tide waits for no man.

            A bonny lass now and again, but no man.

            *sigh* That is so fail. Best I leave that up to the real seamen.

          • 87 yardarm756
            February 25, 2012 at 5:58 pm

            Pamela. I’ve come late to todays party because of some minor medical issues. But to the point re this war talk. We never worry about tides when at sea and big ships can turn quick enough but doing so will dump anything that’s not tied down on deck. This includes people if they’re not holding on. No matter, we can’t leave the middle east too quickly because of the effect it would have on our economy. We make a lot of bullets, bombs,vehicles and other stuff. Peace would put a lot of folks out of work. Then there is the nuclear weapons problem.
            Frankly, we have enough high tech stuff that we could close most overseas bases and bring the troops home. We got the ability now to put boots on the ground anywhere in the world in 7 days from bases in the US.

            • 88 Pamela
              February 25, 2012 at 6:17 pm

              Thank you, yardarm, I remembered later you had told us you would be away most of the day. I hope things went in your favor medically speaking. Thank you for your views, they are always helpful to me. My Dad was a CPO in Naval Intelligence in WWII, served in the OSS in China ’44-’45. Then home, and later into the CIA, when it was first created under Truman.

            • 89 theo67
              February 25, 2012 at 6:17 pm

              Feel better, Yardarm! 🙂

        • 93 HZ
          February 25, 2012 at 3:56 pm

          I think he will do the best for our troops and our nation. POB is a very cautious and precise President in these decisions, and I trust him to make the appropriate choices for all of us. I can see at times, when he is speaking about the military that his heart is heavy , so I will continue to ask for wisdom for him. Also we will all try to lift him up daily as he reads his security briefings, so that he will be strengthen in his being to weigh all the evidence to make these tremendously difficult decisions to bring our men and women home safely.

          This is where we can lift him up in our meditations, prayers, and quiet times to be given the best information from all of the departments within his Cabinet. We do this for our service/men/women/families as well. Plus, we try to leave the best that we can for those we leave behind. He will do it , I believe in his next term. I really am praying and putting my thoughts for this. Let us not give up, but remember he said this would not be easy.

          There is so much on his plate, but I do believe that he is a man who will not give up as long as he feels that he can make a beautiful difference in this world. I really do believe that about POB. But we have to take the heavy load that we all carrying with us each day about these very sensitive issues ,to a level of hopefulness, peacefulness, prayerfulness, and deep meditations for the best to be on POB’s side. He needs that from us, and we owe it to our troops to be in thoughtfulness and prayerfulness for all of them.HZ

          • 94 Pamela
            February 25, 2012 at 6:20 pm

            Thank you, HZ, you speak from the still, quiet center of you heart, and mine. I am sure you are absolutely correct in how much we can help PBO by generating this loving energy toward him, and surrounding his beautiful family as well with our care and concern. He has taken on an enormous weight, carrying it willingly and with dedication. Bless you.

      • 96 utaustinliberal
        February 25, 2012 at 3:14 pm

        Bles your heart hopefruit. 100% agree. We would all do better to refrain from being short sighted. We are not privileged to the National Security Briefings that PBO receives everyday. He said he wanted to end the war in Iraq responsibly and he did. He can’t just pull out of Afghanistan due to the wishy washy whims of those on the left and right. It has to be conducted in a responsible manner and end of 2013 to mid-2014 is a reasonable time frame. Yes, there are mindless deaths on the American and Afghanistan fronts and it is heartbreaking but I trust PBO’s foreign policy chops and not the blinkered 30 second sound bite of the msm.

      • February 25, 2012 at 3:31 pm

        It’s not about the media, IMO. It’s clear that this war simply not worth the money and obviously the lives of so many people. You can’t change a 13th century country, you can’t force them to like you and you can’t have peace with the Taliban, AND you can’t really “win” this war. PBO is all about destroying Al Qaida, having 100,000 troops in Afghanistan is not the way, and I know that he knows it. I also know that he’ll end it way ahead of 2014. Just ket him win the election.

        • 101 Jessica
          February 25, 2012 at 3:48 pm

          Being in Afghanistan ain’t got nothing to do with anything in Afghanistan; it’s all about Pakistan. They are the biggest sore on his backside. We’ve done everything we can for the Afghan army and I think he knows that (I’m no mind reader or foreign policy expert but that’s what it looks like to me). I would like for it to be completely finished, hands clean of them by the end of 2013 but that doesn’t sound like it’ll happen.

        • February 25, 2012 at 4:01 pm

          On point, BWD. I believe you are on point. We just have to make sure that we do get him reelected. We will be helping so many of our beautiful men and women in our military. We will support him in doing just that. He knows it, and he will do it.HZ

        • 103 hopefruit2
          February 25, 2012 at 4:06 pm

          Indeed my friend, the Afghan war is a bloody waste of time, lives and $$$. And yes, he needs to win the election first. My concern is that if there is agitation right before the election about something he’s not in a position to change until he gets elected, then we run the risk of depressing turnout, ushering in a Romney Presidency and creating the very result that we don’t want – a prolonged war, possibly additional wars, many more lives lost, and a domestic nightmare that we won’t ever wake up from. The PL right now may be quiet but it won’t take much to get them started, and they won’t care if it’s right before an election.

          One other thing I would like to add is that I do believe that the media sends out feelers on the blogsites, particularly the left-leaning ones and ones they believe that “Obama’s base” frequents to get a sense of what people are most anxious about and then push that angle in their reports to generate maximum division. I once witnessed a WH press corps reporter ask a question almost verbatim the way it was posed in an Old Orange diary posted earlier that day. Turns out that the said reporter has an account at Old Orange but never posts.

          Having said all this, lets send a strong, unequivocal message to the corrupt media that we Obama supporters trust our President’s judgement 100% and are not going to be frenzied by their crappy, yellow journalism. As you’ve said many times, he remains the only adult in the room, and nothing is going to change between now and November 2012 that will convince us otherwise.

      • February 25, 2012 at 3:57 pm

        I trust his judgement too Hopefruit, absolutely, I have no doubt whatsoever about how thoughtful and informed he is on foreign policy.

        I just don’t understand, despite that, why the occupation of Afghanistan is being prolonged when this so-called war is, and always has been, utterly ‘unwinnable’ – as Afghanistan has been for every single invader through history, including, most recently, the Russians.

        Day after day innocent Afghans, Americans, Britons, etc are dying there for no good reason, it just seems senseless to me.

        I wish I could understand why operations there haven’t been left to the forces who took out bin Laden, while bringing home the rest of the troops who are just sitting targets. More than anything, though, my heart goes out to the Afghan people caught in the middle of this insanity.

        What’s going on behind the scenes I don’t, obviously (!), know, but like BWD I suspect PBO knows it’s insanity too. But this is probably more about Pakistan than Afghanistan, maybe the feeling is that it’s essential to have a presence in the region, just to keep an eye on Pakistan?

        I don’t know, but I wish this Afghanistan madness would end – soon!

        • 106 hopefruit2
          February 25, 2012 at 4:27 pm

          Trust me Chips if PBO announced tonight that he was ending this war tomorrow, I would be thrilled. But as PBO said, we need to be as careful going out as we were careless going in – and I think he means this in every sense of the word, in the sense that not only is he not going to hastily pullout just to placate our emotional desire to see the war end, but also he’s not going to allow Afghan withdrawal to be used as political football in an election year, while Al quaeda still remains a threat to our national security.

          Moreover, here’s what the President has said repeatedly that speaks to me:

          “I said during the campaign that I’ll always tell you what I think, and I will, always tell you where I stand.”

          As recently as his SOTU speech, he has said that Al Qaeda to this day remains a threat, the US has made strides in their original goals and they are making plans for a draw down. Obviously, there is a reason he hasn’t a announced a complete pullout – it may still be too dicey and things may be worse in the long run if it’s used as political football by the Republicans and their mouthpieces in the media, especially during an election year when they already desperate and grasping for straws. I agree with you and BWD that he’s waiting for the elections to be over where he can make some crucial and well thought-out plans to bring this war to a quicker, but safer end.

      • February 25, 2012 at 5:21 pm

        Hopefruit–you hit it for me with the words, “I trust his judgment.” PBO has access to data that none of us has a clue to. He has to navigate very tricky water without upsetting the balance of contentious relations with Israel, Iran and other ME countries. He’s announced a time when the troops would be withdrawn from Afghanistan and that was done for good reason. I don’t think he wants to appear as if we’re scrambling home now.

    • 110 sjterrid
      February 25, 2012 at 9:50 pm

      I trust President Obama to know what he is doing in Afghanistan. My problem is that some of the people in high command might not be going along with our best interests. I really want to know the facts about how those Koran’s got burnt. They had to know that there would be outrage about this, and I don’t blame then. There were talks with the Afghanistan Gov’t, The Taliban, US, and I’m not sure who else, that were supposed to get started soon, and then someone decided to give an order to discard the Koran’s and burn them.

  6. 111 Dudette
    February 25, 2012 at 2:50 pm

    A Great Afternoon to all my subjects. I’ve just returned from my royal subjugation to the Zumba godess.

  7. February 25, 2012 at 2:50 pm

    Hi tod’ers. waving from dubai again. It’s frigging midnight (almost) here.

    so what did I miss ?

  8. 151 desertflower
    February 25, 2012 at 2:54 pm

    Tally….any news on the girl that you told us about last night? Has she been found??

  9. February 25, 2012 at 2:58 pm


    The association of of Actively Serving LGBT Military Personnel

    This video is a must see for all LGBT teens and their families. Having soldiers say it gets better is very powerful


  10. 157 vitaminlover
    February 25, 2012 at 2:59 pm

    Our President is da’ BOMB! That video was cool. Mitt is so out of sync with people. Does he even click well with his family or are they as air-headed and scatterbrained as he is? Gingrich is pure evil. Icky Santorum is a phony with man-boobs. Yes, I said this.

  11. February 25, 2012 at 3:00 pm

    Obama DOJ Won’t Defend Constitutionality Of Denying Military Benefits To Same-Sex Couples


  12. 163 Dudette
    February 25, 2012 at 3:01 pm

    OMG! I must share this with you guys…

    On my way home from the gym this afternoon, there was this random group of like 5 people standing on the corner of a main intersection holding up Santorum signs. They were competing for attention with the 3 dudes in costume trying to get people to come to the Smoothie King. That was the more surreal thing I’ve seen in quite a while.

  13. 168 Linda
    February 25, 2012 at 3:08 pm

    WASHINGTON — Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer (R), in town for the National Governors Association conference, will skip a White House dinner Sunday honoring the nation’s governors, telling staff she does not want to participate in a “social” event.

    She was overheard Brewer telling gubernatorial staffers prior to Saturday’s opening NGA session that she would skip the dinner because it was a “social” function, but that she would attend Monday’s White House meeting between governors and Obama because it was a “policy” event.

    When asked about her plans for Sunday night and her reasons for skipping the dinner, Brewer was ushered away by an aide. Her spokesman, Matthew Benson, stepped in to answer questions on her behalf.

    “We have other plans now,” Benson said, without elaborating on what Brewer would be doing Sunday night.

    Benson did confirm that Brewer would attend the Monday White House meeting.

    Earlier this week, Brewer declined an invitation by Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) to testify before the Senate regarding the immigration law, which is pending before the Supreme Court.

    • 169 desertflower
      February 25, 2012 at 3:11 pm

      Dipshit. I detest this trailer trash gov.

    • 170 desertflower
      February 25, 2012 at 3:12 pm


    • 172 Tally
      February 25, 2012 at 3:15 pm

      She has an Oscar® party to go to.

    • 177 utaustinliberal
      February 25, 2012 at 3:18 pm

      When she found out that Black and Hispanic people were invited guests she probably said um….no. Or she’s probably too scared to look FLOTUS in the eye. Bloody scumbag.

    • 180 Pamela
      February 25, 2012 at 3:26 pm

      So ef-ing what? Nobody cares.

    • 181 Dudette
      February 25, 2012 at 3:35 pm

      She’s in town to collect some Eye of Newt for her next potion!

    • February 25, 2012 at 3:51 pm

      It’s entirely possible that she is only let out of the psych ward during the daytime.

    • 183 Uche
      February 25, 2012 at 3:51 pm

      The wicked runneth when no one pursueth!…of course why would she want to be in the same social event with the President after the hell she got for pointing that witchy, bony finger at him. She will be sorely missed…NOT!!.

    • 184 GGail
      February 25, 2012 at 4:05 pm

      Brewer’s scurred of what a Dem with drink in hand will really tell her about herself. I don’t blame her for deciding not to attend. HA!

      • February 25, 2012 at 4:39 pm

        This wicked woman needs to stay away from all of us. She can take her ugly arse and place it back in the dark space from which she comes from in her core. Who needs her presence in such lovely company.

        So she only attend “policy” meetings? Really. She does not attend ‘social gathering at all as a governor? What a lying sack of crap.

        I need to stop now because this witch is upsetting me. I am nice, but do not get on the side of me that will tear the hairs off of the head. That is why I have to stay in prayer and meditation. I can’t stomach evil like the likes of this woman. Just can’t especially after what she did to POB. That was too much for me. I lived through that crap, and I have zero patience for this type of covered over hate. Plain and simple.

        That is why I have to stay close to my quiet time, because I have never shed so many tears centered around this President, Barack Obama,as I have since growing up in this southern crap during my childhood and young life., as I have since POB’s election. It is painful. It is only my precious mother’s spirit within me and AlmightyGod’s Spirit that keeps me from hating and not loving those who do these evils today.(I am speaking of what I feel is a Higher Power than I can ever be, but I have practiced for many, many years how to draw from that inner sweetness that keeps me going)

        • February 25, 2012 at 10:36 pm

          You’re a wonder, HZ! I’d love to learn to love and forgive this way because my blood pressure is always on full alert when fools like that Brewer witch let fly with their vile shyte! It’s all I can do to stay composed—well, mostly, I try to avoid msm and sites that get me riled, but sometimes, I just must turn away from the ugly, and of course, I come here for the solace of everyone’s positive company.

          Stay well, Hz, you are special and in the embrace of our Higher Power.

    • 187 susanne
      February 25, 2012 at 5:29 pm

      jan brewery won’t attend a social event because she does her drinking alone. can’t be trusted in public, anyway.

      • 188 susanne
        February 25, 2012 at 5:36 pm

        sorry, hz, i hadn’t read your post, and the way mine follows it, you might think i’m making light of your feelings. not one bit. but i am making light of jan brewery, because she is a fly for pbo to swat. everything she does makes her look bad, and him look even better. so if you need a reason to keep a loving heart about her, just remember–she’s shining a light every day on how wonderful our pbo is!

    • February 25, 2012 at 5:37 pm

      Brewer can’t attend a social event because she can’t find a decent dress to go with the broomstick. Accessorizing is hard.

      • 190 Pamela
        February 25, 2012 at 7:03 pm

        Most likely, in simplest terms, she has shamed herself with that inexcusable behavior, now doesn’t dare show her face in a social situation where she KNOWS both PBO and FLOTUS will be their genuinely gracious and forgiving selves towards her, welcoming her to the WH as they will do with all invited. Too bad for her, I don’t feel one bit sorry for her. She is a grown after all.

  14. 191 desertflower
    February 25, 2012 at 3:10 pm

    http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entries/mitt-romney-touts-opposition-to-gay-marriage-cloning I seriously hope that he runs so far to the right that he falls off the cliff along with the rest of them. Bon Voyage!

    • 192 Linda
      February 25, 2012 at 3:26 pm

      OMG…..Word Salad or what ? From your link

      “I also faced a Supreme Court in my state that said John Adams had written into our constitution a right to marriage between people of the same gender. And I became the nation’s champion to reverse that with an amendment in our state. We were on progress to do that until I saw a Democrat take over the governor’s office. And then we also had the legislature pass a bill saying we will allow cloning and embryo farming in our state. They wanted to change the definition of when life began. And I stood up and said absolutely not and I vetoed that legislation. I am a pro-life governor — I was a pro-life governor and I’m still a pro-life candidate. I was a pro-traditional marriage governor and am so as a candidate and I am a conservative. “

  15. 194 desertflower
    February 25, 2012 at 3:17 pm

    BuzzFeedAndrew RT @jeffzeleny: Gov Jan Brewer of Arizona says she will endorse presidential candidate tomorrow. Who? “I’m pondering,” she says.
    22 seconds ago · reply · retweet · favorite

    Pondering?? Like this???

    • February 25, 2012 at 3:23 pm

      Ms. “point her fingers in PBO’s face loser” will also skip the WH dinner for the Governors. The story is on Huffpo.

      WASHINGTON — Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer (R), in town for the National Governors Association conference, will skip a White House dinner Sunday honoring the nation’s governors, telling staff she does not want to participate in a “social” event.

      The dinner, an annual event hosted by President Barack Obama and First Lady Michelle Obama, is one of the conference’s highlights. Brewer’s decision comes a month after she dramatically confronted the president at a Phoenix area airport over his response to her portrayal of him in her book.

    • 208 Pamela
      February 25, 2012 at 3:29 pm

      Bet all 4 of the loser candidates are praying it ain’t him, they all have enough problems without her worthless endorsement.

    • February 25, 2012 at 5:43 pm

      I’m sure her endorsement is eagerly awaited in all Republican presidential camps. The excitement is palpable and they’re all hoping she’ll campaign beside them in all her loveliness. Maybe one of them will be inspired enough to name her for their VP.

      • 210 Pamela
        February 25, 2012 at 7:07 pm

        Since they will lose anyway, guess they have nothing to lose. But we all know the word smith from wasilla will fight her to the death for that dubious honor, second time around the failure block.

      • 211 theo67
        February 25, 2012 at 8:12 pm

        Once Mitt accepted Trump’s rabid endorsement, all bets were off for how low they could go. It’s definitely a race to the bottom. All the GOP “stars” are scumbags and crazy. That’s what makes them celebrities in the eyes of their racist followers.

  16. 212 Uche
    February 25, 2012 at 3:39 pm

    OT…I saw this on a friend’s facebook page; maybe some of you may have seen it before, but the last entry made me LOL.

    1. Put 400 bricks in a closed room.
    2. Put your new hires in the room and close the door.
    3. Leave them alone and come back after 6 hours.
    4. Then analyze the situation:
    a. If they are counting the bricks, put them in the Accounting Department.
    b. If they are recounting them, put them in Auditing.
    c. If they have messed up the whole place with the bricks, put them in Engineering.
    d. If they are arranging the bricks in some strange order, put them in Planning.\
    e. If they are throwing the bricks at each other, put them in Operations.
    f. If they are sleeping, put them in Security.
    g. If they have broken the bricks into pieces, put them in Information Technology.
    h. If they are sitting idle, put them in Human Resources.
    i. If they say they have tried different combinations, they are looking for more, yet not a brick has been moved, put them in Sales.
    j. If they have already left for the day, put them in Management.
    k. If they are staring out of the window, put them in Strategic Planning.
    l. If they are talking to each other, and not a single brick has been moved, congratulate them and put them in Top Management.
    m. Finally, if they have surrounded themselves with bricks in such a way that they can neither be seen nor heard from, put them in Congress.

  17. 216 Tally
    February 25, 2012 at 3:40 pm

    Ok gang – gotta go do this script reading thingie – back later.


  18. 217 Linda
    February 25, 2012 at 4:01 pm

    Looks like the Koch’s are crybabies.

    A Letter to the Obama Campaign

    Mr. Jim Messina
    Campaign Manager
    Obama for America

    Dear Mr. Messina:

    Because every American has the right to take part in the public discourse on matters that affect the future of our country, I feel compelled to respond directly about a fundraising letter you sent out on February 24 denouncing Koch. It is both surprising and disappointing that the President would allow his re-election team to send such an irresponsible and misleading letter to his supporters.

    For example, it is false that our “business model is to make millions by jacking up prices at the pump.” Our business vision begins and ends with value creation — real, long-term value for customers and for society. We own no gasoline stations and the part of our business you allude to, oil and gas refining, actually lowers the price of gasoline by increasing supply. Either you simply misunderstand the way commodities markets work or you are misleading your supporters and the rest of the American people.

    Contrary to your assertion that we have “committed $200 million to try to destroy President Obama,” we have stated publicly and repeatedly since last November that we have never made any such claim or pledge. It is hard to imagine that the campaign is unaware of our publicly stated position on that point. Similarly, Americans for Prosperity is not simply “funded by the Koch brothers,” as you state — rather it has tens of thousands of members and contributors from across the country and from all walks of life. Further, our opposition to this President’s policies is not based on partisan politics but on principles. Charles Koch and David Koch have been outspoken advocates of the free-market for over 50 years and they have consistently opposed policies that frustrate or subvert free markets, regardless of whether a Democrat or a Republican was President.

    If the President’s campaign has some principled disagreement with the arguments we are making publicly about the staggering debt the President and previous administrations have imposed on the country, the regulations that are stifling business growth and innovation, the increasing intrusion of government into nearly every aspect of American life, we would be eager to hear them. But it is an abuse of the President’s position and does a disservice to our nation for the President and his campaign to criticize private citizens simply for the act of engaging in their constitutional right of free speech about important matters of public policy. The implication in that sort of attack is obvious: dare to criticize the President’s policies and you will be singled out and personally maligned by the President and his campaign in an effort to chill free speech and squelch dissent.

    This is not the first time that the President and his Administration have engaged in this sort of disturbing behavior. As far back as August, 2010, Austan Goolsbee, then the President’s chief economic advisor, made public comments concerning Koch’s tax status and falsely stated that the company did not pay income tax, which triggered a federal investigation into Mr. Goolsbee’s conduct that potentially implicated federal law against improper disclosure of taxpayer information. Last June, your colleagues sent fundraising letters disparaging us as “plotting oil men” bent on “misleading people” with “disinformation” in order to “smear” the President’s record. Those accusations were baseless and were made at the very same time the president was publicly calling for a more “civil conversation” in the country.

    It is understandable that the President and his campaign may be “tired of hearing” that many Americans would rather not see the president re-elected. However, the inference is that you would prefer that citizens who disagree with the President and his policies refrain from voicing their own viewpoint. Clearly, that’s not the way a free society should operate.

    We agree with the President that civil discourse is an American strength. That is why it is troubling to see a national political campaign apparently target individual citizens and private companies for some perceived political advantage. I also hope the President will reflect on how the approach the campaign is using is at odds with our national values and the constitutional right to free speech.


    Philip Ellender
    President, Government & Public Affairs
    Koch Companies Public Sector, LLC

  19. February 25, 2012 at 4:20 pm

    LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL. THOSE PEOPLE ARE TOTALLY AND COMPLETELY OFF THE CLIFF. JERKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Tally needs to respond to that letter. 🙂 🙂 🙂

  20. 237 hopefruit2
    February 25, 2012 at 4:41 pm

  21. 240 LDS
    February 25, 2012 at 5:06 pm

    The kkkoch letter Sounds like bs because they are being exposed for what they are: a bunch of rich old farts who tried to run for president and did not win even when they minted their own money. So they disburse all of this hateful money to puppet man Grover Norquist who shells it out to whomever swears to this KKK oath against the country.

    And you want to talk about “freedom of speech”? If that is true, why whisk all of your kiss-assers away to a secret hideaway secluded place to plan your secret agendas and give your nods of approvals to the see how your evil money is being used to further take down this country because as rich as they are no one would vote for either brother nor Donald Trump for dog catcher U.S.A.
    Robmey need not think about applying for that job after the 2016 election either……..for obvious reasons.

    Before the election of this president, I never heard of the KKK brothers or Grover. For decades they have built this evil empire with all of their money and tney cannot run for even Mayor. So they buy them…….fund tea baggers show downs promote hate and ignorance. All in the name of being true loving and caring Americans.

    • 241 Tally
      February 25, 2012 at 5:12 pm

      Like I said above…… The Kochs & Rove can take their dried up old shriveled ball sacs into a cave please.

      Now I must have food.


      • 242 Tally
        February 25, 2012 at 5:16 pm

        They can keep Gov Scunt Brewer company in said cave.

        “They have a cave troll.”

        Apparently the GOP breeds them.


    • 243 57andFemale
      February 25, 2012 at 5:33 pm

      Speaking of exposing Government-for-Sale, there’s an article in Forbes about Sheldon Adelson. Adelson has made more money during the Obama presidency than ANYONE. More than Bill Gates, the late Steve Jobs – anyone. And it’s not enough.

      NO, Republicans, same sex marriage and birth control are not what threatens America. It’s. Koch/Adelson/Romney who have damaged our country and now want to kill it.

      • 244 Tally
        February 25, 2012 at 8:46 pm

        They want Isreal to start a war with Iran, and want to corner our POTUS into backing it. THAT is what this is all about.

  22. 245 hopefruit2
    February 25, 2012 at 5:13 pm

    Oh my goodness…I just briefly switched to CSPAN where Santorum and Romney are feverishly campaigning for the top spot on Tuesday. What a sad bunch. Santorum is angry as hell and getting angrier by the hour, and Romney is just frantic and uninspiring. If I had a dollar for the number of times I’ve heard “This President..” in Romney’s speeches, I would be able to retire!

  23. 246 Linda
    February 25, 2012 at 5:17 pm

    Slave Labor – Money trail leads to Koch Brothers and Conservatives who want your job!

    This is a huge diary….but about 3 inches down on the slide is this.

    “In 2007 President Bush was put on the hot seat by Koch Industries due to ICE raiding Koch Foods in Ohio. ”



    My nephew is an ICE agent and he was in training when this went down….he said they were all talking about it at the training facility in Georgia.

  24. 247 hopefruit2
    February 25, 2012 at 5:19 pm

    Jan Brewer will make a presidential endorsement by Tuesday. WOW..I pity the recipient of this distinct “honor.” Good luck with the Latino vote in the General Election 🙂


  25. 248 hopefruit2
    February 25, 2012 at 5:25 pm

    Up Next on C-spin. Greenwald’s BFF, Libertarian Buddy Roemer.

  26. 249 Linda
    February 25, 2012 at 5:32 pm

    “The first truth is that the liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic state itself. That, in its essence, is f.ascism–ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power.”

    — FDR

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