evening all

The Week


Charles Pierce: …. my fellow Papists … if you all would be so kind, please shut the fk up about birth control, abortion, and this neverending madness about what ladies do with their lady parts without the pope’s permission.

….. please stop going on my television set and telling me what “the Catholic position” is on the fact that the president has told various Catholic institutions – and told them quite gently, too – that, yes, if they want all those nice juicy tax advantages, they must abide by the federal law and, in their capacities as employers, make contraceptives available to their employees under the new Affordable Care Act.

There is no “Catholic position” on this issue. There are the opinions of the clerical bureaucrats and the members of the Clan of The Red Beanie, and then there is the opinion of the overwhelming majority of Catholic laypeople, who stopped listening to anything the Vatican said on the matter of birth control back in 1965.

…. For that matter, there is no real “Catholic vote” out there to be mined, either. A breakdown of how American Catholics vote on one particular issue or another pretty much tracks with how the country in general breaks down … Catholics made up their mind on this issue long ago. They stopped listening to Rome, and to the Chancery, and most of them are much better off.

Full post here


Kevin Drum: …. I guess I’m tired of religious groups operating secular enterprises (hospitals, schools), hiring people of multiple faiths, serving the general public, taking taxpayer dollars – and then claiming that deeply held religious beliefs should exempt them from public policy …. I imagine the “religious community” in the United States would be a wee bit more understanding if the Obama administration refused to condone the practice.

…. if Catholic hospitals don’t want to follow reasonable, 21st century secular rules, they need to make themselves into truly religious enterprises. In particular, they need to stop taking secular taxpayer money. As long as they do, though, they should follow the same rules as anyone else.

More here


Josh Kraushaar (National Journal): If President Obama wins re-election, he’ll point to the last couple of weeks as a turning point. He’s sharpened his economic message, emphasized fairness for the middle class, and most importantly, he’s benefited from an economy that’s showing some signs of improvement.

But the most underplayed development are signs that the president’s approval rating is ticking upwards with the group most resistant to him, non-college educated, working-class whites. Over the last week, several surveys have suggested that Obama is gaining some ground with this group, in both national and statewide polling. If these gains stick, it’s something that should be very concerning to the Romney campaign, which is dependent on winning overwhelming support from blue-collar white voters as part of a winning GOP coalition.

…. As Buffalo Springfield once sang: “There’s something happening here. What it is ain’t exactly clear.” Pay very close attention to Obama’s numbers with the white working-class. The assumption was that they were hardened against the president.  But there’s some fresh evidence that could be changing.

Full post here


Bloomberg: President Barack Obama nominated Air Force Lieutenant General Janet Wolfenbarger to be the service’s first female four-star general and the military’s second woman to reach the highest rank.

Wolfenbarger, the Air Force’s top uniformed official for weapons development, was also nominated as commander of the Air Force’s Materiel Command, according to a Defense Department statement today. The positions are subject to Senate confirmation.

The first woman with four stars in the U.S. military, Army General Ann Dunwoody, was confirmed in 2008 and is commanding general of that service’s Materiel Command.

More here

Thanks Jovie


Obama Foodorama: Expect some hilarious Let’s Move! hijinks on Tuesday night when First Lady Michelle Obama cameos in a video segment on NBC talk show Late Night with Jimmy Fallon. The comic visited Mrs. Obama last week at the White House to film the outing, which will air as part of this week’s celebration of the second anniversary of the Let’s Move! campaign. Among other fitness activities, the First Lady had Fallon running up and down the historic White House stairs, he said when he announced the upcoming cameo…..

More here


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195 Responses to “evening all”

  1. 1 hopefruit2
    February 6, 2012 at 7:04 pm


  2. 6 Bobfr (aka Our4thEstate)
    February 6, 2012 at 7:05 pm


  3. February 6, 2012 at 7:06 pm

    Feb. 6 (Bloomberg) — President Barack Obama nominated Air Force Lieutenant General Janet Wolfenbarger to be the service’s first female four-star general and the military’s second woman to reach the highest rank.
    Wolfenbarger, the Air Force’s top uniformed official for weapons development, was also nominated as commander of the Air Force’s Materiel Command, according to a Defense Department statement today. The positions are subject to Senate confirmation.
    The first woman with four stars in the U.S. military, Army General Ann Dunwoody, was confirmed in 2008 and is commanding general of that service’s Materiel Command.
    Wolfenbarger is military deputy in the office of the assistant secretary of the Air Force for acquisition at the Pentagon. She previously served as vice commander of the Materiel Command, which conducts research, development and testing and manages acquisition and logistics for war. The command is located at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio.



  4. 17 GGail
    February 6, 2012 at 7:07 pm

    Hiya Chipsticks 🙂

  5. February 6, 2012 at 7:12 pm

    Doh! Didn’t realize there was a new thread. This is in today’s L.A. Times.

    Reporting from Broomfield, Colo.—
    As the rancorous contest for the Republican presidential nomination spreads across the nation’s heartland, the leading candidates have begun to turn off swing voters, a setback in the party’s quest to unseat President Obama.

    Independents, the dominant political force in Colorado and other swing states, have been warming to Obama in recent weeks while souring on the Republican Party’s top potential challengers, Mitt Romney and Newt Gingrich, polls show.

    Here in Broomfield, a bellwether Denver suburb, conversations with independents last week laid bare a shift in campaign dynamics that does not bode well for the Republicans vying to unseat the Democratic president. Though disappointment in Obama was widespread, so were negative opinions of Romney and Gingrich as their nasty scuffle drew more attention in advance of Tuesday’s caucuses.

    Story here: http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-obama-gop-20120206,0,6102950.story

  6. 20 hopefruit2
    February 6, 2012 at 7:13 pm

    HEADLINE: MSU prof: Michigan unemployment rate could drop with national number

    // Lansing— Michigan’s jobless rate could drop by as much as two-tenths of a percentage point when state numbers are released in a few weeks, a Michigan State University professor said Friday. Speaking at a press conference called by Democrats to highlight national jobs numbers released Friday, MSU economist Charles Ballard said President Barack Obama’s policies are responsible for the steady decline in the unemployment rate to 8.3 percent in January and 23 consecutive months of private sector job growth. //


  7. 24 Linda
    February 6, 2012 at 7:16 pm

    I am sad.

    Rev Al let Michael Steele say that last month was the ONLY month with jobs numbers over 200k over the last 23 months…..


    I count 6 on the graph.

    • 25 isonprize
      February 6, 2012 at 7:21 pm

      I think Al needs better support/research on issues that will be discussed on his show. Don’t get me wrong, he’s savvy, quick and doesn’t let them get away with the blatant stuff. I just think that he needs a researcher (or three) to shore up with knowledge, and by extension, rapid response to the stupid when it falls out of the mouths of people like Michael Steele.

    • 32 vitaminlover
      February 6, 2012 at 7:30 pm

      One thing that I like about Rev Al is that if he does a goof he will definitely nip it on the next go around. He is very much on top of his game. I really admire the way he proves his points especially when he is defending my Beloved President Obama.

    • 33 L3
      February 6, 2012 at 7:36 pm

      He may not know that some of those months, I believe, were initially under 200,000 and were later adjusted upward. I think last month the jobs numbers were initially reported as 200,000 and then revised upward to 203,000.

  8. February 6, 2012 at 7:19 pm

    WHITE HOUSE TELLS GOP TO OFFSET MILITARY SPENDING CUTS WITH TAXES ON THE RICH | Last week, Republican Arizona senators John McCain and Jon Kyl unveiled a bill aimed at preventing the military spending cuts (around $600 billion) mandated after the congressional debt commission’s super committee failed to agree on where to trim $1.2 trillion from the federal budget. Taking cues from Rep. Howard “Buck” McKeon (R-CA), McCain and Kyl said they won’t raise taxes to offset the military spending cuts, but instead cut federal jobs and freeze federal worker pay. Yet it looks like the White House is standing firm in opposition. TPM reports that the Obama administration “will not support any effort to swap out scheduled cuts to defense programs…unless Congress passes a balanced package of deficit reducing legislation of equal or greater measure. That means new tax revenue from wealthy Americans and corporate interests.”

    Think Progress-


  9. 38 tally
    February 6, 2012 at 7:20 pm

    OMG – Michelle is gonna be on JIMMY F??? (love him soooooo much!)

  10. 41 Ladyhawke
    February 6, 2012 at 7:27 pm




    When the jobs numbers are good, the Republican Party accuses President Obama of cooking the books. Good jobs numbers are just not to be believed. When the jobs numbers are bad they are accepted at face value by the Republican Party. No need to quibble. If the numbers are bad it’s President Obama’s fault.


    When the stock market is down, it’s President Obama’s fault. When the stock market is up “crickets”.

    Got it…..

  11. 42 collegekay
    February 6, 2012 at 7:28 pm

    Hi Chipsticks… hey everyone.

    Little flashback fun.

  12. 48 Ladyhawke
    February 6, 2012 at 7:28 pm

    The Ad Team Behind That Chrysler Clint Eastwood Super Bowl Ad

    For two Super Bowls in a row, Chrysler’s been the company to watch, first dropping gorgeous art-deco spot about the revitalization of Detroit starring Eminem and a gospel choir, and this year, rolling out Clint Eastwood for an ad that sounded as much like an Obama campaign message as a pitch for cars:

    The team behind both ads is Wieden + Kennedy, based out of Portland, Oregon. And they have a strong track record of creating inspiring advertising with communal messaging that even if it’s not specifically progressive, feels resonant with progressive values. They’re the team behind the Go Forth campaign for Levi’s that used Walt Whitman’s poem to argue “we must march, my darlings, we must bear the brunt of danger”:


  13. February 6, 2012 at 7:35 pm

    You know the way I’m endlessly amused by Politico’s 44 blog, run by our old buddy Byron Tau and others?

    Well, for those who have the good sense not to read it, they finish the day with a ‘Remainders’ section, usually a round-up of the day’s main PBO-related stories.

    Top headline tonight?

    Obama struggling in battleground states (National Journal || Josh Kraushaar).

    I was a bit puzzled, because I’d just posted a Josh Kraushaar article from today (see above) which is HUGELY encouraging.

    So, I clicked Politico’s link …. they’d posted a Kraushaar article from January 31, in a section that is meant to be about today’s news.

    And they ignored today’s post by Kraushaar.

    You can only laugh.

    • 52 hopefruit2
      February 6, 2012 at 7:42 pm

      Unbelievable. Overpaid frat Boy Tau needs a new hobby.

      • February 6, 2012 at 7:51 pm

        He was in overdrive today Hopefruit, the better things get for PBO the angrier he gets …. love it! My favorite was his BIG story about PBO leaving before Jeb Bush’s speech at the Alfalfa dinner (a whole week ago). Seriously, that was his BIG news today – but he was clearly angry that Barack Hussein had shown a lack of respect to a member of the Bush dynasty. As I said to someone on Twitter, if PBO had stayed there all night and listened to all the speeches, Tau’s headline would have been: “Obama parties the night away with 1%ers, who was running the country in his absence?” 🙄

  14. February 6, 2012 at 7:35 pm

    I present a poem by Walt Whitman, inspired by Ladyhawke’s posting. I will let you figure out with whom the GOP would side, and with whom we would side.

    To a Historian

    YOU who celebrate bygones!
    Who have explored the outward, the surfaces of the races—the life that has exhibited itself;
    Who have treated of man as the creature of politics, aggregates, rulers and priests;
    I, habitan of the Alleghanies, treating of him as he is in himself, in his own rights,
    Pressing the pulse of the life that has seldom exhibited itself, (the great pride of man in himself;) 5
    Chanter of Personality, outlining what is yet to be,
    I project the history of the future.

  15. 55 LadyTNT
    February 6, 2012 at 7:36 pm

    How lucky am I? I just turned to Wheel of Fortune, just to have it on something while I flat iron my hair and lo and behold to my surprise, my First Lady popped on the screen!!They have military spouses on here today and she taped them a message. How wonderful is she?!! Ok, now I must go back to trying to tame this mane of mines 🙂

  16. 57 ladyvader
    February 6, 2012 at 7:36 pm

    I am a long time lurker and this is my first time posting a comment but I felt it was time to come out of hiding to join in the wonderful discussion that the obama diary family has every day. I must say this place is a god send as I emigrated here from HufnPuf by another poster. I’m sorry I took so long to respond to lisalovesobama when she was talking about the Duke last night about a movie she was watching. Lisa the movie was The Quiet Man which is my all time favorite movie (even though I am not a huge Duke fan) but I love that movie and El Dorado. Sorry if someone already answered that for you. But anyway, Chips keep up the good work because I’m sure you are aware that are millions of us desperate to get away from the hate and drivel they try to cascade us with 24/7 about our wonderful President. Thank you for all you do.

    • 58 Renegade522/AuntSis
      February 6, 2012 at 7:46 pm

      Welcome aboard, ladyvader!!! Please wash that huffnpuff out of your system and stay with us.

    • 59 57andFemale
      February 6, 2012 at 7:48 pm

      Welcome! Join in. It’s lots of fun.

    • 60 collegekay
      February 6, 2012 at 7:49 pm

      I’m glad you de-lurked. Have fun :- )

    • 61 hopefruit2
      February 6, 2012 at 7:51 pm

      Welcome ladyvader, happy to have you delurk and join the TOD community!

    • February 6, 2012 at 7:54 pm

      Welcome ladyvader, thanks so much for visiting – and for the kind words 😉

      • 63 ladyvader
        February 6, 2012 at 8:47 pm

        Your welcome, Chips and thank you, everyone for the kind words of welcome. It truly feels like a family here and I plan on joining in the conversations more often.

    • 64 donna dem 4 obama
      February 6, 2012 at 8:08 pm

      Howdy lurker (no more)!

      Glad you took that step to share with us. I hope you do so often!

    • February 6, 2012 at 8:14 pm

      Welcome LadyV!!! Thanks so much for answering my question! I’ve watched that movie once but loved it. I also love McLintock. I don’t watch a lot of early Duke movies and I tend to love him more in roles like The Quiet Man and McLintock. Please keep engaging, would love to hear more from you. 🙂

      • 66 ladyvader
        February 6, 2012 at 8:51 pm

        I will, thanks, lisa. I know what you mean about John Wayne’s early movies, his later years were the best I think. I did have a problem with some of his personal beliefs but the movies are unforgettable. I love how in El Dorado he rode his horse backwards to get away from the bad guys (best piece of horseback riding in cinematic history, lol).

    • 67 Dudette
      February 6, 2012 at 8:38 pm

      Welcome ladyv! Glad you’ve come in from the cold.

      I’m a former HufnPuf regular too, and I haven’t been back since I discovered TOD, thanks to the wonderful family of sharp minds and friendly souls who dwell here. Mama Chips keeps things fresh, fun and troll-free! It truly is an oasis!

      I’m not a HUGE John Wayne fan either, but I did love The Quiet Man. The Undefeated and The Cowboys are my favorites of his though. I’ve lost count how many times I’ve seen them over the years.

      • 68 ladyvader
        February 6, 2012 at 8:54 pm

        I haven’t been back either since 2010 dudette and I’ve never looked back. I tell everyone about TOD and I was surprised how many people I thought were uber conservative actually agree with me about the way President Obama is treated. But I guess it’s understandable considering the alternative…but needless to say I have the biggest crush in the world on PO (don’t tell my husband).

        • 69 Dudette
          February 6, 2012 at 9:03 pm

          Honey, everyone with a pulse has a crush on him (even those who won’t admit it)! If you’ve been lurking for a while, you’re probably already familar with the “naughty mat” which comes out often — especially when Chips lays the Wet POTUS picture on us. Oh, and of course, you must know what the Emergency Response Video (top one in the upper right section of the page) that drives some of us wild.

          Feel free to join me and desertflower on the mat from time to time. We’ve got reserved seats! All in good fun though, we love our FLOTUS too. [She knows what a good man she has!] 🙂

    • February 6, 2012 at 10:22 pm

      LV, you made a healthy move. HP is a toxic place and does no good for your blood pressure or nerves. You will feel at home here and learn more than you ever did before. The Quiet Man is also one of my favorites. Maureen O’Hara tried to years to get that movie made and told Wayne that if it took any longer they would be too old to star in it. Finally, little Republic studio took it on and created a gem.

      • 72 ladyvader
        February 6, 2012 at 10:39 pm

        I know Jackie, I am a TCM junkie and I heard Robert mentioning how they had to do Rio Grande first before the studio agreed to The Quiet Man. I’m so glad they did, I fell in love with Ireland after they made that movie (not to mention our oh so lovely first couple’s great visit there). It also made me love Republic Studio because they came out with another great movie soon after called The Thing From Another World, my other favorite movie… Do I need to mention my family thinks I’m a nerd? I’m sure I cannot be the only other black woman who is a Star Wars fanatic lol…

    • 73 nathkatun7
      February 7, 2012 at 1:46 am

      Welcome Ladyvader! Like you “I emigrated from HuffnPuff” to this and other wonderful pragmatic progressive sites. The TOD family will cleanse you of the toxicity of “the hate and drivel” from many of the so called progressive sites. Besides, the people on this site, led by the gracious host, Chipsticks, not only discuss serious issues intelligently, but they also take time off to laugh at the absurdities as well as poke fun at one another.

  17. 74 hopefruit2
    February 6, 2012 at 7:50 pm

    I noticed this evening that ABC has been trying to concern troll the economy by pushing a doom and and gloom story of rising gas prices. Almost every night they have this segment about how gas prices are rising and by the end of the year, $4.50/gal will look like a bargain. #MEDIAFAIL

  18. 76 Renegade522/AuntSis
    February 6, 2012 at 7:58 pm

    OFF TOPIC…. I will always be fond of Joe Biden. I think I voted for him in the primaries. I didn’t know who that Obama fella was and sorry, I was never with the Clinton’s. I was simply ecstatic when he was picked fro VP. LOVE, Love, love me some Joey B.

    • 77 isonprize
      February 6, 2012 at 8:03 pm

      AuntSis, that is most definitely NOT off topic. Joey B. is the man. And he supports PBO with out question. ALL THE TIME. I saw him in Philadelphia about a month ago at a small union gathering. He was personable, smart, funny, but also deadly serious about the challenge that we have ahead.

      His take away quote? “These are NOT your daddy’s Republicans. They did not come to Washington to get things done. They did NOT come to Washington work. They came to Washington to destroy progress and make Pres. Obama a “one term” president. We can not, we WILL NOT, let that happen.” The place went WILD!!!! Love, love, LOVES ME SOME JOEY!!!

      • 78 susanne
        February 6, 2012 at 9:05 pm

        ‘these are not your daddy’s republicans’—that is a very important line to emphasize, isonprize, and i thank you for posting it here.

        i think we forget who we’re dealing with sometimes, because we’re old enough to have seen some pretty silly republicans in the past, who were still able to work at governing this nation. the recent crowd is another tribe altogether.

        i’m so glad vpjb is getting this word out and backing up pbo in the political arena.

    • February 6, 2012 at 8:16 pm

      We don’t roll with the Clintons either, Renegade. We all love Joe. I couldn’t think of a better person to have PBO’s back.

  19. February 6, 2012 at 8:11 pm

    Wow, this is a nasty photo of Romney:

    That would keep you up at night.

    • February 6, 2012 at 8:19 pm

      WHOAAAAAAA. Chips, please delete this! I thought I was posting a link. I had no idea the photo would show up. UGHHHHH.

    • February 6, 2012 at 8:20 pm

      Oh. My. God. Fricking gross. I’m so disgusted.

    • 89 hopefruit2
      February 6, 2012 at 8:25 pm

      Is this a clip from that 1970 horror movie? Can’t remember the name, but it was the movie that was banned worldwide?

      • February 6, 2012 at 8:27 pm

        Yup: ‘Rise of the Yuppie Swamp Monster. Featuring Willard Muttfaced Romney’

        • 91 hopefruit2
          February 6, 2012 at 8:37 pm

          Ah…that’s right, that’s right…they tried to do remake in the mid-nineties but they couldn’t get rights because the ban also included any remakes or attempted remakes.

        • February 6, 2012 at 8:37 pm

          Lisa, you’re being very tough on mutts!!

          • 93 hopefruit2
            February 6, 2012 at 8:46 pm

            I think Lisa’s memory failed here. I believe it was “Ogre-faced Romney” and not “Muttfaced.” The movie was banned such a long time ago, the title is murky in people’s memory.

          • February 6, 2012 at 8:52 pm

            You are right of course, Chips. Let me apologize to mutts the world over. Frankly, Willard’s face resembles my mom’s black and silver crocodile purse with navy/black inlay and sterling silver strap. Granted, Willard’s face looks slightly more appealing as a purse than as the main feature attached to a head, supported by a rather stiff neck which is surprising in and of itself, since the body within the empty suit lacks a backbone. How does he keep upright you ask?……….. The hand that stuck so far up his @$$.

    • 98 donna dem 4 obama
      February 6, 2012 at 8:46 pm

      Ewwww where did that come from. All that money and he couldn’t get his teeth straightened. Although that is probably the “best” part of this gross picture. I haz a sad. Yuck 😡

    • 101 Ceb
      February 6, 2012 at 8:53 pm

      You would think that he would spend some of his millions on dental work. Not to be shallow ( well, okay this is shallow), but contrast this with the megawatt smile and the gorgeousness that is PBO. One causes dogs to howl, children to cry and adults to shudder, while the other draws animals, little people and grown-ups in.

      It is really interesting that they chose to do it in black and white; so stark.

      I thought that the Republic was a right-wing rag. Why are they going after Romney so hard?

    • 102 susanne
      February 6, 2012 at 9:07 pm

      yikes! r-money must hate this! (frankly, i can’t stand it either.)

  20. 103 Dudette
    February 6, 2012 at 8:14 pm

    Good Evening everyone! I’ve been out of pocket for a couple of days. Boy oh boy, have I got lot of catching up to do!

    Great posts today Chips, as usual! Heading back up-thread to see what’s happening!

  21. February 6, 2012 at 8:19 pm

    So apparently, Eastwood told O’Reilly Factor that he’s not affiliated with “Mr. Obama” and that the ad wasn’t about politics but a theme that every American should be able to connect with and understand—-this is me paraphrasing. So……… Clint came out today to clear his name since Rove and the FOXes were so offended. Hm.

    • 105 anniebella
      February 6, 2012 at 8:31 pm

      Someone need to remind old Clint that it’s President Obama. But then again if the good old white man call him Mr., it’s better than just calling him Obama. But I don’t give a dam if Clint Eastwood is affiliated with Mr. Obama .

      • February 6, 2012 at 8:41 pm

        “They call me, Mr. TIBBS!!!!”——- yup, Mr. is definitely better than Obama.

        • 107 Dudette
          February 6, 2012 at 8:47 pm

          Good one LL! I saw this in the theatre when it came out (yes, I’m that old). Woooowee, the stir this caused when it came out!

      • 108 Dudette
        February 6, 2012 at 8:53 pm

        It’s amazing how many people just toss aside basic etiquette. Courtesy used to have value. Sad how little it’s practiced now.

        “How to Address the President
        Until you can whistle “Hail to the Chief” with any degree of ease, prepare to greet the president of the United States with a handshake

        1 Stand when you hear “The Star-Spangled Banner” (the U.S. national anthem), which is always played at the occasion of the president’s appearance.

        2 Rise when the president enters the room, if you are not already standing.

        3 Address the president as Mr. President or Ms. President when speaking to him or her.

        4 Address all correspondence to The President of the United States of America, The White House, 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, Washington DC, 20500.

        5 Say “the president” or “the president of the United States” when introducing the president to others.

        6 Put out your right hand and shake his or her proffered one.”

        Read more: http://www.ehow.com/how_11185_address-president.html

    • 109 Ladyhawke
      February 6, 2012 at 8:41 pm


      I want to personally thank Republican strategist extraordinaire Karl Rove for having a cow about the Clint Eastwood commercial and thereby giving it more and more legs. Not only is everybody talking about the ad, they are now talking about the hissy bit that some in the Republican Party are having about it. The Republican Party has become so radical, deranged and unhinged that a commercial highlighting the spirit and determination of the America worker is frowned upon and questioned. You can’t make this stuff up.

    • 110 hopefruit2
      February 6, 2012 at 8:43 pm

      The bottom line is: this ad would not be so popular if it didn’t closely resemble an “Obama-esque” commercial. That is what got everyone’s attention. It reminded folks of President Obama, PERIOD.

      If old Clint were featured in a breakfast cereal commercial it would be nice but no one would be talking about the ad today. Twitter would not have blown up as it did yesterday.

      • 111 Bobfr (aka Our4thEstate)
        February 6, 2012 at 9:02 pm

        Agree, hope, and …

        Rove is watching as ‘blue collar’ white Americans are steadily aligning with President Obama. That, plus the dismal turnout, is telling him that no matter how he tries to cheat he’s looking at #LandslideOBAMA2012 and ‘coat tails’ that haven’t been seen for the Democrats in a very long time.

        #PRESSON #YesWeMust

    • February 6, 2012 at 8:50 pm

      hey, any link lisalovesobama? I wanna post the story somewhere.

    • 113 vero804
      February 6, 2012 at 9:01 pm

      Knew it…..I stayed very quiet about the ad because as I wrote last night, I recall Eastwood not making it to accept an award from POTUS some time last year or the year before, and I don’t recall an adequate reason given for why he couldn’t make it. Bottom line is I found it curious and have been giving him the side-eye ever since.

      Moreover, he poo-poo’d the bailout at the time.

      So, although the ad is great, and all, I knew it wasn’t some pro-Obama message – not intentionally. And I knew he’d come out and throw some salt on the fire to make sure folks didn’t get to carried away thinking he was intentionally or unintentionally saluting the president.

      • February 6, 2012 at 9:08 pm

        To be honest Vero, if Eastwood came out today and endorsed Willard it wouldn’t really matter, it wouldn’t alter the impact of the Superbowl ad. Karl Rove’s response said it all – he was “offended”.

        PBO will be forever associated with the auto bailout, which has been an extraordinary success – last night’s ad reminded everyone of that, in a pretty stunning way. Nothing Eastwood says now changes that.

        And whatever his political views, which seem amazingly broad, he did at least say this, after supporting McCain:

        “Obama is my president now and I am going to be wishing him the very best because it is what is best for all of us.”

        He’s no Teabagger, that’s for sure.

        • 115 L3
          February 6, 2012 at 9:19 pm

          And the idiot Rove conveniently forgets that Bush gave Chrysler and GM money on his way out the door because as I recall he did not want the auto industry collapsing on his watch, in addition to everything else he destroyed. The difference being PBO gave money contingent upon a plan for long-term viability while Bush threw money at the problem just to keep them going until PBO took office, which was a good thing, even if it was self-serving on Bush’s part.

        • 117 vero804
          February 6, 2012 at 9:26 pm

          Well, we can agree to disagree. I think the ad is fine, I was not impressed with Eastwood’s role in it, mainly because I find him to be a true-blue Republican, not a “cool one,” which I don’t think there are many of. He did the ad as an homage to Detroit, not to the president. We can use it to point out that the president saved Detroit, etc., but I’d prefer we don’t pour all this love on Eastwood.

          • February 6, 2012 at 9:28 pm

            But Detroit is now intrinsically linked with PBO, that’s the whole point. That’s why the RW – Rove, Malkin every RW site/blogger – freaked out, they read it as a tribute to PBO’s auto bailout.

            If someone like George Clooney did the ad it would have been dismissed, the fact that it was Clint Eastwood hailing Detroit’s recovery made it a million times more effective.

            • 119 vero804
              February 6, 2012 at 9:43 pm

              Ok, that’s fine. Maybe I’m still salty at the apparent disrespect from him not showing up to get an award at the WH. Once again, great ad, great chance for the president’s decision with the auto companies to be pointed out. But I’m not feeling the messenger.

          • 121 L3
            February 6, 2012 at 9:44 pm

            I don’t think folks are necessarily pouring love on Eastwood and even if they are it’s in recognition of his performance. I do recall some comments about him being a Republican. Hell, even a broken clock is right twice a day. What that spot did, whether intentional or not, was align the Obama adminstration with what’s good for the country thus making anyone against PBO (that’s you Willard and Rove) appear to be against what’s good for the country. If most of the country got that message, I can applaud Eastwood for that.

        • February 6, 2012 at 9:37 pm

          PBO will be forever associated with the auto bailout

          Thank you willard and the rethugs for making that meme stick. 🙂

      • 125 susanne
        February 6, 2012 at 9:20 pm

        i particularly love that it wasn’t an intentional pro-pbo ad, and yet it so clearly read that way to everyone viewing it. that means we make the leap between success in the economy and pbo’s policies and hard work–without needing anybody to connect the dots for us.

        i think that’s why the repugs are spluttering and spinning–we got the drop on them, and they know it.

        • 127 vero804
          February 6, 2012 at 9:29 pm

          Like I said above, I think the ad is fine and I think it makes sense for our side to use the ad to point out that the president saved Detroit and jobs. However, I just think we shouldn’t be all dough-eyed about Eastwood. He is no friend of the president or Democrats.

          • February 6, 2012 at 9:36 pm

            Honestly Vero, you should read the hate for Eastwood on the RW blogs today – try Free Republic, for example.

            There’s no “dough-eyed” hero worship of him here, at all, just a (curious) appreciation of him taking part in the ad.

            He’s voted D and R in his time, but seems to be a Libertarian at heart – he’s also, on the most part, socially liberal, eg he doesn’t understand the objections to gay marriage.

            So, I wouldn’t dismiss him as a wingnut. It seems to me he’s one of a rare breed, a largely right-leaning sort who isn’t swallowed by wingnut dogma.

            And, no matter what he was paid and no matter what his motives were, we should probably be happy enough that he took part in one of the most powerful pro-PBO ads ever made. David Axelrod is still purring.

          • February 6, 2012 at 10:46 pm

            Hi TOD’ville! A quick click shows me that you have all been chatty…as usual, and my trying to keep abreast is going to prove quite trying. 🙄 / Lord, please help me through the next 3 weeks of real work while I experience daily withdrawal from my preferred ‘work’ keeping a keen eye on TOD action. Amen/

            In trying to see what went on today, I confess that this particular discussion re the Eastwood 1/2 time ad puzzles me. Is there an undercurrent argument here that a republican speaking up for the ‘good’ of the country is less credible than a democrat? That we should discredit her/his message because s/he hasn’t always been in PBO’s corner? Not to diminish the power of the steadfast supporters of the president, but I would almost argue that such a testament is almost more powerful , intentional or not. Certainly it would be more powerful to other republicans! I’m happy that skepticism is not the pervasive TOD take on this subject. This discussion actually forcefully reminds me of President Obama’s position that he is the president of all of America.

      • 130 L3
        February 6, 2012 at 9:28 pm

        Eastwood shot a movie called Gran Torino in Detroit a few years ago. He probably got to see first hand some of Detroit’s challenges and realized it’s easier to oppose the bailout from the comfort of a Hollywood mansion than it is to oppose it when you’re on location in the city that needed the bailout to survive. So it matters not that he is not a supporter of PBO. It is possible to support the bailout and preserving American jobs and stiill be a conservative Republican. I guarantee you there are auto workers whose jobs were saved by PBO who are Republicans and may not vote for him. You’ll see many of them in the MI primary vote for Romney because he and they are Republicans.

        • 131 susanne
          February 6, 2012 at 9:46 pm

          that is an interesting film to view, if you want to get an idea of the complexity of eastwood’s politics.

        • February 6, 2012 at 9:58 pm

          I agree. Clint said he has voted for every Republican President since 1952. The only time he thought about changing was when Perot ran. However, he is an environmentalist and believes in gay rights. No, I’m not a fan of Clint or anybody else that could vote for Republican Presidents regardless of how incompetent they were. The ad was great, IMO because most people immediately thought of President Obama as the President that saved the auto industry.

    • February 6, 2012 at 10:31 pm

      The number of people who hear this O’Reilly Factor comment are miniscule compared to those who saw the ad. The message got through to millions of people who “got it.” Signed, sealed, delivered.

    • 134 Cha
      February 6, 2012 at 11:52 pm

      Yuck, Eastwood went on billo to say that. I knew it wasn’t an ad for President Obama and this is better, imv. Every American should be able to connect with and understand the ad and that people connected it with PBObama’s agenda is even BETTER! 😛

  22. 136 africa
    February 6, 2012 at 8:46 pm

    Hey everyone,

    I am not here much during the day, but I have been missing Fred and HZ. I hope I am just missing them when I am here and they are fine.

    • February 6, 2012 at 8:52 pm

      Hi Africa, I’ve been wondering about HZ too. Fred has been dropping in and out, she’s incredibly busy looking after her mother so doesn’t have much time for anything else.

      But if you’re out there HZ, please let us know how you are?

      Thanks Africa, hope all’s good.

    • 138 anniebella
      February 6, 2012 at 8:52 pm

      Come to think of it I haven’t heard to much from Fred or HZ either.

    • 139 MTmarilyn
      February 6, 2012 at 8:57 pm

      I was thinking about them. I don’t post many comments but I notice who isn’t posting. HZ posted the other night saying she was having problems with her computer and she wasn’t feeling well. Do wonder how Fred is doing. Miss their posts.

  23. 140 africa
    February 6, 2012 at 8:50 pm

    Mitt sides with Komen, no money for Plan Parenthood

  24. 148 Beaglemom
    February 6, 2012 at 8:52 pm

    I loved the video ad about the “Democratic Party.” Did I detect the voice of Ted Kennedy? One of my pet peeves, and my mother’s before me, is the derisive term “Democrat” Party coined during one of the Eisenhower campaigns. I am such a proud Democrat and I have enormous appreciation of and confidence in President Obama and Vice-President Biden. They are doing such an incredible job.

  25. February 6, 2012 at 9:00 pm

    Hi everyone,

    One of our Australian friends here asked me to post this:


    She runs a company that is currently looking for Telesales and Appointment Setters whose job would be to cold call businesses in Australia (working Monday to Friday Sydney local time).

    She’s a seriously major PBO supporter, and would love to find someone from the blog – or a family member/friend – who is qualified in this area and who would be interested in one of the jobs.

    If you’re interested, just email me at theobamadiary@gmail.com and I’ll hook you up with her.

    Our friend would also love to buy some items from the OFA store, but needs the help of someone here to do so – again, if you can assist, email me 😉

  26. 158 jacquelineoboomer
    February 6, 2012 at 9:16 pm

    In 1994/5, I worked in Navy public affairs, and had the pleasure of facilitating an “exclusive” interview by a major newspaper’s business/defense writer with Major General Carol Mutter. She was the first woman in the Marine Corps to be promoted to that grade (in ’94). She also was the first woman promoted to lieutenant general in the Marine Corps – in ’96.

    Seemed like an “easy” interview. What could go wrong? The general had agreed to talk with the reporter while she was visiting us; I was there to make sure it was a short and comfortable interview, and he was glad to be given the “exclusive.”

    What could go wrong?

    The next morning, everybody laughed (even her staff) when the newspaper headline was “Marine bastion of macho promotes woman.”

    Old bio (she retired in 1999): http://www.wic.org/bio/cmutter.htm

    • February 6, 2012 at 9:40 pm

      Hey jo. I wonder what the write-up would look like for Admiral Michelle Howard. She was in charge of the Task Group that launched the SEAL Team that killed those 3 Somali pirates a year or so ago. By the way, she’s black!

    • 161 Alycee (@jazziz2)
      February 6, 2012 at 10:14 pm

      Wow — a blast from my past. Her husband, Colonel Mutter, was Chief of Staff when I was stationed in Quantico; he was instrumental in my being selected for command.

  27. February 6, 2012 at 9:21 pm

    • February 6, 2012 at 9:26 pm

      Read the piece carefully. Dity harry is indirectly endorsing PBO.

      • February 6, 2012 at 9:37 pm

        I think you refer to this:

        He added, “If Obama or any other politician wants to run with the spirit of that ad, go for it.”

        Clint Eastwood is not a stupid man. He knows there’s only one politician running for president who embraces the message of the ad, and it’s none of the GOP candidates.

        • February 6, 2012 at 9:40 pm

          Yup LL.

          Vero, this. He could’ve very well said “if romney or any other politician…”

        • 166 vero804
          February 6, 2012 at 9:53 pm

          I just don’t see his involvement as a tacit endorsement of POTUS. It’s a good ad, and a great opportunity to highlight the decisions made by the president to save Detroit and the auto companies.

      • 167 vero804
        February 6, 2012 at 9:38 pm

        He straight up said: “I am certainly not politically affiliated with Mr. Obama.” He “certainly” isn’t affiliated…. Just in case there’s any confusion with where his political loyalties lie. I just don’t see how that’s an endorsement – directly or indirectly – of the President.

        • February 6, 2012 at 9:42 pm

          Vero, “I am certainly not politically affiliated with Mr. Obama” makes that ad a gazillion times more powerful. Again, if it was Clooney, half of America would have rolled their eyes.

          Detroit’s revival is part of PBO’s first term story – hence the reaction to the ad.

        • 172 hopefruit2
          February 6, 2012 at 9:51 pm

          vero804, the point of the ad was not to “endorse” PBO. And, as Chips said, that makes the ad all the more powerful. If a Republican who is “unaffiliated with Mr. Obama” happens to be featured in an ad that implicitly recognizes the superior judgment of the President in the auto bailouts, then why can’t the entire country?

          • February 6, 2012 at 10:02 pm

            Mr. Eastwood — who I admire as an artist, one of the few Republicans whose art I can disassociate from his political leanings — and Chrysler can “tut tut” all they want and say that the ad wasn’t political. The ad was high political theater, as the explosion on both sides of the political divide attest. And they knew it was.

          • 175 vero804
            February 6, 2012 at 10:02 pm

            The main theme of this particular line of comments is that Eastwood indirectly endorsed the president. That’s what I initially responded to.

            I can appreciate your (and everyone’s) point of view on this, and your ultimate point of the ad is one I can agree with. I believe the ad is good and is a chance for the administration to point out the president’s involvement in saving the auto companies. I’m just cautious. I do not think Eastwood’s intention was to recognize our president’s superior judgment in the auto bailouts. His history when it comes to this president doesn’t suggest he’d intentionally show such support for the president. So, I guess I’m just not feeling the Eastwood love, even though his involvement is ultimately a positive thing, so long as he doesn’t try to distance himself from the commercial’s linkage with the president.

            • February 6, 2012 at 10:11 pm

              “I do not think Eastwood’s intention was to recognize our president’s superior judgment in the auto bailouts.”

              But does that even matter? Surely the impact of the ad is the key thing here? ie Witness RW heads explode, and Axelrod and Co having sore palms from high-fiving each other after they saw it.

            • 181 ML
              February 6, 2012 at 11:39 pm

              I think the fuss on both sides is way over-blown. I actually didn’t think it was such a good ad – thought the Eminem one last year was much smoother. It also is not a style of ad that appeals to me – I prefer something less sentimental. However, I guess it’s nice that everyone sees it in such positive terms. And since I don’t like disagreeing but felt for some reason this apparently irresistible urge to poke my nose in, I will de-poke now 🙂

          • February 6, 2012 at 11:08 pm

            Man, I am so, so encouraged by you all! 😆 😆 I made a comment a little above because i was ‘concerned’ by the nature of the ad dialogue I had stumbled into, but I’m less concerned now. 😉 I Lurve this place where Chips and Prez O have brought together such a broad section of smart people! People who have the well-being of the entire US in mind. For the record TOD peeps, it feels really good to be a part of this community! 😆 😆

          • 183 Cha
            February 7, 2012 at 12:02 am

            AND, according to the article about this in Salon..Eastwood was on record as being against the auto baliout! 180 DEGREES!

            And, everybody is talking about ’cause it’s brilliant and the gops can’t stop whining about it while hoisting themselves on their own stupid petard.

  28. 184 Elly in Maryland
    February 6, 2012 at 9:22 pm

    About Charles Pierce quoted above – it was only last Saturday, listening to “Wait Wait Don’t Tell Me” on NPR that I realized that their frequent guest panelist Charlie Pierce is the same person. If you don’t listen to the show, it’s pretty funny (though for awhile they were too snarky about our President; I emailed them to complain about it). Basically they make fun of everyone.

  29. February 6, 2012 at 9:25 pm

    I agree with pearce’s piece in the last thread. The campaign should start painting the rethugs as gloomers and doomers who want america to fail, who are only interested in pushing their failed ideology on the american public.

  30. 187 Bobfr (aka Our4thEstate)
    February 6, 2012 at 9:28 pm

    #LandslideOBAMA2012 #YesWeMust

  31. February 6, 2012 at 9:42 pm

    Meet Wieden + Kennedy – based out of Portland, Oregon – the team behind the Chrysler Super Bowl Ad (and last year’s Eminem Detroit ad):


    • 191 susanne
      February 6, 2012 at 10:01 pm

      in a discussion of the chrysler ad’s impact, one of the commenters on that post said, ‘obviously, calls to patriotism and what’s best in america can only be interpreted as a pro-obama message.’

      boy, do the repugs hate that!

  32. 194 eveingeorgia
    February 7, 2012 at 10:15 pm


    I “lost” your and DonnaDem’s fundraising information. (I don’t know how!) Please send, one more time. Some friends and I are trying to get more donations flowing and we want to list your sites. I’ll hold on this time.

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