rise and shine

Morning everyone. I’ll be back later today, meanwhile – chat away 😉

218 Responses to “rise and shine”

  1. February 5, 2012 at 8:08 am

    Wow Ms Chips, sorry I missed all the fun on the threads from yesterday, just read up on all that happened! Well done to you.

  2. 2 Ladyhawke
    February 5, 2012 at 8:12 am

    Ok, I’m watching UP With Chris Hayes and he has Amy Goodman of Democracy Now on the panel. I have never hear Amy Goodman say anything remotely positive about President Obama. So I am curious to see how many nanoseconds it will take for her to criticize PBO for not doing (FILL IN THE BLANK).

    • 3 utaustinliberal
      February 5, 2012 at 9:45 am

      I was also waiting too LH and she did not disappoint. In the second hour of Up With Chris Hayes she began blathering about PBO breaking his promises to women about birth control, womens rights, blah blah blah. Thank goodness for Michelle Goldberg of the Daily Beast and Melissa Harris Perry. They both corrected her before one could Jack. They pointed out that PBO is and has been standing firmly with women and their right to choose. In ACA, there is now coverage of birth control for all women who want to take advantage of that mandate in their insurance coverage. That shut Amy Goodman up pretty fast.

      • 4 EDP4BHO
        February 5, 2012 at 11:05 am

        That wild-haired person always has a bee in her panties. She is the ultimate emoprog, and has been for a very, very long time. I stopped watching her atleast 3 years ago. Before then, I chose Democracy Now as my portal to the shenanigans of the Bush admin, that is until I discovered Randi Rhodes, who atleast knows how to comb her hair. Sheesh!

      • 7 Ladyhawke
        February 5, 2012 at 11:40 am

        I hear ya ut. You are so right, Amy Goodman did not disappoint this morning. It seems that no matter what the topic is she will find something negative to say about President Obama and his administration.

        In the first segment she criticized the US for using drones to combat terrorism. Also, she said the US has had a complicated relationship with Syria. She didn’t give details, but she seemed to be implying that there was something “hypocritical” about what is happening with the US/Syria relationship today. During the discussion about Israel possibly attacking Iran, she made it seem like the US has control of Israel because of the funding we provide them. One of the panelist said well if that’s the case then why is the US having so much trouble getting the settlement activity to stop. There were several occasions where the panel seemed to be taken aback by her comments and they proceeded to debunk them. That’s what is needed on these cable shows “debunking in real time”.

  3. February 5, 2012 at 8:13 am

    Let us know what she says, Ladyhawke!

  4. 10 CTGirl
    February 5, 2012 at 8:16 am

    Good morning!

  5. 11 sheinfrance
    February 5, 2012 at 8:17 am


  6. February 5, 2012 at 8:25 am

    Good morning to you all!

  7. February 5, 2012 at 8:27 am

    Morning you lazies (It’s evening here. 🙂 )

  8. February 5, 2012 at 8:31 am

    It’s 14:30 here in Germany, so we’ve been awake for a while!

  9. 15 dotster3
    February 5, 2012 at 8:41 am

    Just a reminder of President Obama’s interview today with Matt Lauer on the Super Bowl pre-game show. Saw owners of both Super Bowl teams donated to Obama, altho Patriots’ owner spread his dough around a little bit, most to Dems. And there was an Athletes for Obama party in Indy with Bears coach Lovie Smith and Reggie Love etc.

  10. 17 Lorraine
    February 5, 2012 at 8:41 am

    Good morning on this Lord’s Day. Watching the Today Show, Matt is interviewing President Obama. He talked to the gop operative David Gregory at the bottom of the page it said, unemployment 8.2%. 8.2%? More good numbers for February!!!!!

  11. 18 VotingPoet
    February 5, 2012 at 8:44 am

    I’m hearing you about Amy Goodman. About to leave now anyway. Cheers to everybody! Peace, J

    • 19 57andFemale
      February 5, 2012 at 10:18 am

      Here’s what I don’t get: I understand that we all wish we could have gotten a lot more done, but to wilfully ignore the political poison of the repubs is insane. You can push for more without being ignorant and childish with statements like Obama broke his promises. This b.s. is toxic and will get the left nothing of what they profess to want. Except the destruction of our nation and an out ofo control supreme court that will undo 100 years of progress.

      • 20 EDP4BHO
        February 5, 2012 at 11:12 am

        I myself am pretty satisfied with what PBO got done. After all, he’s done more than most any President before him in the time he’s been in office. I am not one of those who wishes more than what has already happened as I don’t expect the impossible, given the climate and the resistance he has encountered from day one. I also wish that everybody would shut the f–k up about what he has not done, grow the hell up and understand Rome was not built overnight. Incidentally, please don’t take this personally. I’m just fed up with the “more done” meme when PBO has already done the damn impossible, and that was getting elected and staying alive, and sticking to his agenda. I have no disappointments. I am a realist. I am an adult. I am grateful for what I have, when so many have so much less. He has done just fine.

        • 21 CEB
          February 5, 2012 at 11:32 am

          Good morning and I totally agree. This is how I and many of the people that I know have always felt.

        • 22 L3
          February 5, 2012 at 2:10 pm

          Thank you and amen!

        • 23 susanne
          February 5, 2012 at 4:20 pm

          that’s just it–exactly. thank you edp and 57 for saying it so well. we can support this president, who has done more to positively change the direction of this country and the world than any other, struggled against incredible challenges to do that, and continues to work hard for exactly what he said he would work hard for–or–empower the repugs. period. end of choices. why is this such a difficult concept? not only is pbo a wonderful, positive, obvious choice, but the repugs are a horrible, negative, obvious bunch to avoid. couldn’t be more clear.

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    • 39 anniebella
      February 5, 2012 at 11:30 am

      Tell the daily beast the charm offensive has WORK. Of course she didn’t have to go on us, we already had her back. 100%

    • February 5, 2012 at 12:27 pm

      I don’t think the First Lady’s tour had anything to do with Kantor’s rubbish book. I think the article would have done better to just highlight Michelle’s tour, and leave Kantor out of it. It seems a stretch to try and tie the work last week with anything Kantor wrote about – including her so-called “insight” into why their doing a quiet Superbowl this year. I still enjoyed the article’s summary of Michelle Obama, but the Kantor stuff was totally unnecessary.

      • 41 anniebella
        February 5, 2012 at 1:21 pm

        theo67, I did not read the article. I will check it out. I agree with what you said, and I say to hell with Jodi Kantor and that gossipy book which came from her trashy imagination.

  14. February 5, 2012 at 9:09 am

    Good Morning Everyone.
    It’s going to be a fun day!

  15. 43 mARLZ (@mARJGRA)
    February 5, 2012 at 9:09 am

    Good Morning everyone…so good to be here this morning.
    Congrats Ms. Chips on the wonderful work you are doing.
    We know when an election is close as you are at 7,409,155 hits pushing close to 7.5M in! such a short time. Seems as if we JUST celebrted 7M!
    Keep on going. . . PRESS ON, PRESS ON!

  16. February 5, 2012 at 9:10 am

    Yay. willard finally breaches the 50% mark (of his 2008 votes of 22,646). 🙂

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    • 56 Ladyhawke
      February 5, 2012 at 12:22 pm

      I AM MY BROTHERS KEEPER (is a bad thing now?)

      Precisely. President Obama has co-opted so much of the Republican Party agenda (National Security, Support for the Military, healthcare mandates, etc) that they sound like babbling idiots. President Obama just happens to be on the right side of the issues. So the GOP knee jerk NO to everything he says or does just makes them look radical, deranged and unhinged.

      Just imagine, President Obama speaks at the National Prayer Breakfast and explains what HIS FAITH means to him in words and in deeds and he get hammered for having the “audacity” to profess “I am my brothers keeper”. The GOP was outraged by this. One Congressman Phil Gingrey walked out of the prayer breakfast and Senator Orrin Hatch went to the well of the senate to accuse President Obama of comparing himself to Jesus. The mind reels……

      • February 5, 2012 at 12:32 pm

        ODS doesn’t afflict just the pl crowd alone. It’s a bipartisan thingy. 🙂

      • February 5, 2012 at 12:35 pm

        The GOP does not and has not believed in “I am my brothers/sisters keeper”. Some in the GOP tried to push “compassionate conservative” meme, but they pretty much got kicked the butt for it.

      • February 5, 2012 at 12:38 pm

        Yes – the right wing is deranged. I caught snippets of Romney’s devilish speech last night, and I could have sworn that the audience booed when he mentioned the improved economic numbers? They don’t even know what they want the country to look like if they succeed in getting President Obama out of the White House. They just know they want white supremacy and a white president.

        One Iranian woman interviewed (heard this on NPR this morning) said she supports Romney because she thinks President Obama hasn’t done enough for the people suffering in Iran. I wondered whether she knows that the people supporting Romney, including Adelson’s future support, don’t want to help Iran – they want to disappear Iran? Scary.

  20. 60 Don
    February 5, 2012 at 9:32 am

    I’m so tired of listening to progressives and trying to figure out if they support President Obama or not.

    Rule number #1; if after a progressive has said something about President Obama and you still don’t know if they support him or not, chances are they don’t.

    • February 5, 2012 at 9:40 am

      Progressives outside of the bubble, support the President. You know, tge ones who vote, the pundits, not so much!

      • 62 Debz
        February 5, 2012 at 10:31 am

        After the ’08 election, C-Span had some lecture by Amy Goodwin. Back then she was talking about how ” We asked Howard Zinn if we should back Obama.” What a feeble minded fool. If she needs permission to vote for someone, she obviously is incapable of thinking for herself. I don’t know why she doesn’t just back the Socialist party candidate, since their candidates will always be to the left of any dem. And her praise for OWS is absurd, they are anarchists. What a stupid woman!!

        • 63 57andFemale
          February 5, 2012 at 2:12 pm

          She usually does back a socialist or a green party candidate.

          I’m not ashamed to say that I want a more progressive government, a more liberal culture. I also know it will take a generation to undo conservative damage. Barack Obama’s goodness of heart and supreme intelligence and love of governance is the perfect, inspirational symbol for turning this country around.

          Before the ’08 election when I was still going to the Orange Satan, I commented that with Obama we’d probably be able to undo a massive amount of rightwing damage in about a decade, if the left and all Dem’s had his back. I naively assumed that after watching a stunningly successful job of turning all things true to all things false by the Republicans from Reagan on, Dem’s and the left would get it — that they would see the long term picture, that they would form alliances that could help move the ball consistently down the field, and put this off-course ship back on track (how’s that for mixing metaphors?).

          I never expected the wholesale desertion that I saw almost immediately from the likes of Michael Moore and Amy Goodman.

          Republicans are masters at this — it took the Christian right almost 30 years to actually get some of what they wanted. But they protected their leaders, voted in consistently high numbers, and let their hatred of our side be motivation enough to get them to the polls. Do you honestly think Peggy Noonan thought that every utterance of George W. Bush was Gettysburg address-worthy? Of course she didn’t, but she said so in order to change public perception and keep her side in power.

          I don’t believe GG and Jane Hamsher are really progressives — they’re charlatans. But people like Amy Goodman and Thom Hartman — they should be savvy enough to understand the challenges against this President and stop trying to do damage. They should know better and there’s no excuse.

    • 64 EDP4BHO
      February 5, 2012 at 11:16 am

      And I’m tired of people calling them progressives. What’s progressive about whining, after all?

  21. 68 Don
    February 5, 2012 at 9:38 am

    Amy Goodman is talking about #occupy movement, excuse me, but is the #occupy movement still #occupying?

    • February 5, 2012 at 9:42 am

      No, they are busy confronting authority, like the Police!
      Right up Ron Pauls alley of policy!

      • February 5, 2012 at 10:08 am

        Exactly Jovie. Only the fringes are left, i.e., Paulbots and anarchists.

        Good Morning, TODers! If NV repub caucus participation is so far down then I think we have an excellent chance to put NV in the PBO win column.

    • February 5, 2012 at 11:11 am

      Why? You know if I had known sitting in a park for weeks on end would have brought wal to wall media praise and coverage I would have done it years ago.

      No probably not. I would have hated missing the Golden Girls.

  22. February 5, 2012 at 9:50 am

    🙂 🙂 🙂

  23. 94 Elly in Maryland
    February 5, 2012 at 10:09 am

    I’ve been wondering what is the most effective way to counter the millions of dollars in attack ads that will come President Obama’s way as soon as (now?) the R’s have their candidate. I asked an OFA leader about this last weekend and his response was that they will be very quick with rapid response to misinformation. But there must be something else!!! How in the world can we get voters to basically cover their ears when this stuff comes their way?? What about ads with some really common-sense sounding voice (female or male) saying the equivalent of “You’ve heard all these attack ads about President Obama – they’re just stupid and you shouldn’t believe them. Use your common sense!” The ads should not repeat any of the words used in the attacks [Framing 101 rule]. Honestly, I can’t think of anything else……Other ideas??

    I do tell people when they ask me about crazy right wing emails they receive – don’t spend time crafting an educated response, just immediately send “reply all” and say something like “You are wrong. I support President Obama. He’s a good man working to move this country forward. Please don’t send me any more crappy messages like this…”

    • 95 obamalia
      February 5, 2012 at 10:24 am

      During the 2008 campaign, I received hate ads on email which infuriated me to no end.

      Just highlighted and copied your last point. Thanks Elly.

    • 96 Debz
      February 5, 2012 at 10:37 am

      Elly, I wouldn’t worry about it, the DNC has been good about rapid response, and from what people in SC, and Florida have said, they were sick of seeing the negative ads and stopped paying attention to them. Also from interviews with the gop voters, the ads didn’t make any difference in their support. I would agree with them. If you see a negative ad about your opponent, it tends to re-enforce your opinion of that person, if you see a negative ad against your candidate, it makes you angry and ready to be more supportive.

    • February 5, 2012 at 10:43 am

      Elly, I was thinking about this too. Koch and company will be spending 100 million plus to defeat our Prez. “Corporations are people” will spend 100’s of millions, the airways/TV’s will be saturated with hate filled, misleading attacks. We need one good general counter I agree.
      Something that explains what is happening (the voices of Americans is drowned out by corporations,) so when a commercial comes out that is made by the corporations, for the corporations, who’s interests do they want to protect? Why are they so afraid of President Obama? So when you see/hear these non stop commercials …just MUTE IT! I hear Michael Jackson sing “Just mute it, just mute it.”
      (aka Just Beat it).
      Maybe the amount of this negativity will push people to evaluate all that is wrong with how politics is today. Maybe the media will also do special reporting on these attack ads on the President and actually report the nastiness and lies…maybe.

    • 98 Lovepolitics2008
      February 5, 2012 at 11:20 am

      I kind of agree that a deluge of negative ads may become so irritating that it ends up not effective. I’m confident it won’t hurt President Obama that much because people know him now. However, I’m concerned about the congressional races. House, Senate.

      I think one general good strategy would be to install in the american consciousness that the bulk of money for republicans comes from a certain group of wealthy people who want to buy the election.

      Make it a campaign slogan: power of the People vs power of Big Money. If democrats are outspent like in 2010 ( 7 to 1 in some cases), just point it out. Americans in general want fairness and are tired of the power of money in politics.

      • 99 susanne
        February 5, 2012 at 4:35 pm

        colbert did a great piece, showing the 20 people who decide who will be in charge. all white guys, of course, except some had no picture at all, and some were corporation logos. i think it was thursday’s show, and i’d clip it in here, but i have no idea how to do that. very effective, and stark: these are the money guys who believe they have a right to pick the president.

    • 100 LunarSea
      February 5, 2012 at 11:49 am

      What timing this post is. Sounds eerily familiar.

      …just saying…

      • 101 jacquelineoboomer
        February 5, 2012 at 11:59 am

        Had the same feeling. Who knows.

        • February 5, 2012 at 1:00 pm

          I think this is a good discussion. There’s definitely psychology war-gaming with these negative ads. When someone puts an idea into your head, it’s hard to completely discount it, even when you know better. And when it’s reinforced, it gains more strength. I think the White House and the campaign have done everything they can to make information available – but there are so many people who are just intellectually lazy. They don’t seek out information, and quickly allow their prejudices to form their opinions. And the media carrying water for the GOP doesn’t help – plus, they’re upset with President Obama being able to bypass them. They won’t lift a finger to right the lies. When there are hundreds of millions of dollars in negative ads being played against the President, it’s going to be an uphill climb to counter those effects.

          I think that’s where the grassroots part comes in. Someone on twitter last night said that the Karl-Rove-mocked 50,000+ small donations in the two-term fund, versus the unknown handful of donations in Romney’s one-term fund shows the flaw in Romney’s plan. His handful of rich supporters each still only have one vote, and they don’t really go out talking to other regular voters. Whereas, President Obama’s 50,000+ contributors each will talk to real voters, and they’ll talk to real voters, and so on, etc. Each person still only gets one vote. And they will trust the words coming from people they know, versus some anonymous, ugly ad from some rich muckety-muck. So – the way to counter those millions is to volunteer with OFA, keep yourself informed, and talk to as many people as possible about the TRUTH. Help people build up a little resistance to the barrage of negative ads that will be coming our way. My two cents.

    • February 5, 2012 at 12:14 pm

      Here’s the thing, we don’t ‘get’ voters to do anything. Voters are independent entities. They also, instinctively, listen for the most positive message, no matter how much visual and aural clutter there is. How much money candidates and super PACS spend really doesn’t matter as much as the message voters hear. A couple years ago during the Mayor’s race in Seattle, one candidate spent three times as much money as the winner. When asked why he lost, he candidly said, “I guess the voters liked his message better.” Our President has the best message and the best delivery system: us. They will stay on message, no matter what. We can, too. It really is as simple as that.

  24. 105 utaustinliberal
    February 5, 2012 at 10:13 am

    Hahahaha Chipsticks and TOD morning all. Glen Greenwald is a jag-off. Amy Goodman of Democracy Now right on cue began her Obama Derangement Syndrome (ODS) rant on Up With Chris Hayes (see my explanation to LadyHawke above) and so I tweeted her. Glen Greenwald, the leader of the ODS club retweeted my tweet to his followers and sicced them on me. He’s met his match. I replied back to him, coward that he is. This is 2012. If one wants to call themselves a progressive and bash PBO, one will be called out or one should STFU. The election is not a game. This country does not need a GOP President wrecking the economic and social growth put in place by PBO.

  25. 111 Debz
    February 5, 2012 at 10:15 am

    Happy Sunday to all!!! amk, is that photo for real??? LOL
    I’m so glad I ignored to gop election garbage. Heard Mittens was especially vile in his speech last night. I rather think positive thoughts and work to get our wonderful President re-elected.

  26. February 5, 2012 at 10:21 am

    Robney must have a ground game, I don’t see how he is doing so well in Minnesota!

    • February 5, 2012 at 10:29 am

      🙄 I’m so over people voting against their own interests.

      • 114 anniebella
        February 5, 2012 at 11:57 am

        lisa, there are some older people who only interest they care about is getting rid of that black President.

        • February 5, 2012 at 1:10 pm

          They live in an echo chamber, too, reinforcing their negative opinions with “facts” they get from FOX News. I see a few of them each morning when I stop for coffee – and park my car with my 2012 bumper sticker right in front of them. They spend the morning exchanging their limited ideas about the world.

    • 116 Bill
      February 5, 2012 at 10:38 am

      Are those figures simply favoring Romney in a Republican primary or favoring Romney in the general election? Candidate Obama carried both CO amd MN in 2008, and it is difficult to believe he would be trailing Romney by those numbers in the general. If they are favoring Romney in a primary what is the significance?

    • 117 57andFemale
      February 5, 2012 at 10:41 am

      Is this a poll of repubs only? Report me as a troll if you wish, but the administration is not doing a good job of setting the narrative for senior issues and ACA. I know how hard it is but the administration and the campaign should be able to find a way. We cannot allow the republic lies to become conventional wisdom.

      • 118 Bill
        February 5, 2012 at 10:49 am

        The poll is not clear, but nevertheless the general election has not begun.

        • 119 DTTM
          February 5, 2012 at 11:26 am

          Republican primary voters only…with regards to Tuesday’s vote in CO and MN

          • 120 Bill
            February 5, 2012 at 11:31 am

            Thank you. In my opinion they mean nothing for the general.

          • 121 57andFemale
            February 5, 2012 at 2:19 pm

            All I would say then about these numbers is that — to Republicans who are predisposed to believe Republican lies anyway – Romney’s message of “Obama’s cutting a gazillion dollars from Medicare and I’ll keep you old guys with benefits and screw everyone else” is working.

            Anyone who continues to call themselves Republican gets what s/he deserves. Once this party lunged over the rightwing cliff, if you continue to ally yourself with that brand then you really don’t care about anyone else. You only care about yourselves and are happy to nurse your prejudices and your selfishness.

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  28. 123 Renegade522/AuntSis
    February 5, 2012 at 10:24 am

    Just caught up from yesterday’s threads. Wow, sound like you guys had lots of fun and as usual, without me. LOL Oh, well. I am not the same party animal from my Navy days.

    Another thing I have noticed about ‘trolls’ is that they are quite adamant in defending the other side. It’s almost laughable as it’s actually pathetic. They defend the republicans and their ilk or questionable characters with such passion and vigor. Their reason for defending the other side is weak at best. Yesterday, I had a little issue on twitter with someone like that who claims to love The Obama’s. And yet, she defends the other side with such ferocity that she doesn’t see her hypocrisy. She is more than willing to tarnish her e-reputation and character defending them and for what? That is simply astonishing to me. It doesn’t make sense and it doesn’t register in my brain at all. Well, it looks like she is no longer a follower. Awww. Aunt Sis has a sad 🙂 🙂

    SUE DUVAL SMITH – EXCELLENT info about professional sports and their stadiums. The city fits the tabs for new stadiums. We just did the same thing for the Marlins. No jobs or underestimated the number of jobs and the owner was to pay a portion and he hasn’t paid diddly. Guess who gets the bill? Me. And my office overlooks that monstrosity that they call a stadium. Lucky me!! There is no $ for schools and infrastructure, but hey, let’s built a stadium. This happens Every. Single. Time. AMERICAN’S really need to wake up!!!

    • 124 57andFemale
      February 5, 2012 at 10:35 am

      Read the David Cay Johnston books on this.

      • 125 57andFemale
        February 5, 2012 at 10:49 am

        Oops. I wasn’t clear. David Cay Johnston has written about the fleecing of the taxpayer for stadiums, etc. This b.s. should have sunk Bush. The only ‘success’ was using public funds to build that stadium.

  29. February 5, 2012 at 10:26 am

    Enjoy your day. Here is a great way to start it. I am cooking now so when I get home from work at 9:30 tonight…we can all eat together as a family.

  30. 141 57andFemale
    February 5, 2012 at 10:31 am

    Christiane Amanpour is gone from Abc? She was such a disappointment but George is worse. I never watch these shows anymore

  31. February 5, 2012 at 10:34 am

    Michael bloomberg giving it his best both sides are equal crap!!!

  32. February 5, 2012 at 10:42 am

    I think Gregory let Deval Patrick talk for a combined 20 Seconds. That’s it!
    Watch that interview and tell me if Bloomberg snd Daniels did not get at least 7 minutes???

    • 146 Lovepolitics2008
      February 5, 2012 at 11:55 am

      The Establishment Elite is trying to cover all angles. If Romney can’t beat President Obama there may be a movement to draft Bloomberg for an independant run. He has said he won’t do it, but who knows what could happen…

      As far as the media goes, I have to say, the last two three years have been a real eye opener for me. I knew the MSM was not the democrats’ best friend, but I didn’t think it was THAT bad.

      The good news is they are so transparent now that people are noticing.

  33. February 5, 2012 at 10:46 am

    Read the piece. The rethug thinks he’ll be welcomed by dems.

  34. February 5, 2012 at 10:46 am

    UT I liked your responses to that greenwald person..

    57andFemale.. you crack me up with your innocent keyboard errors 😆 lol so cute!

    Hi andogriff from Germany!! 🙂

    Good Morning Everyone!! 04:44 in New Zealand Monday… time to get ready for work! 🙂 BBL

  35. February 5, 2012 at 10:50 am

    Hey, guys! What time is the pre-game show? You know, the part with POTUS being interviewed!

  36. 159 vero804
    February 5, 2012 at 10:53 am

    I broke my ban on Sunday am talk shows to watch MTP. Deval Patrick was strong and made Mitch Daniels look small as he contorted to explain away the positive job numbers. It’s actually a highlight for me to watch Repubs strain themselves trying to downplay the jobs reports. “Well what about the people who gave up? What about the black unemployment rate?? Sure, we never cared before, but that’s all we got!”

    On a side note, the “war on religion, Catholicsm” nonsense came up cuz Gingrich spewed it out again, and to my shock,David Gregory said it exempted religious institutions. Gingrich said Gregory is using Obama talking points. Very weak response by Gingrich IMO. Now Rachel and Congressman Javier Baccera are being even clearer in explaining the difference between the righting talking point Gingrich spews and the truth.

    • February 5, 2012 at 11:07 am

      I like Xavier Becerra a lot. He’s smart and a strong and steady supporter of PBO who works hard to get the job done on all his committees. A real Democrat.

      • 161 TrumpDog
        February 5, 2012 at 12:32 pm

        I. Love. Him.
        I remember him during the health care debate and how he countered the GOP bullshit talking points during that summit.
        I’m not sad that I did not really see MTP (I was at the laundromat this morning and it was on that channel but I could not really hear) but I always enjoy seeing him out there for our side.
        Love him (swooning)

  37. February 5, 2012 at 10:56 am

    Btw- Rachel and Beccerra tore that panel up with facts.
    Brooks and Costenanos looked like they were going to cry!

  38. 163 Renegade522/AuntSis
    February 5, 2012 at 10:58 am

    Well, well,well, looks like Maher is upset with Occupy.


    And other thing, why is every large gathering of deranged crazy people = a movement? What about us – the like minded sane folks? Are we the counter Movement?

    • 164 Jessica
      February 5, 2012 at 11:10 am

      They’re sleeping in parks crying about how they owe 100k in student loans and want a bailout but aren’t even looking for jobs because “there are none.” Oh please. My friends who are graduating this year have internships and jobs lined up already. There are avenues you just have to look for them but you aren’t going to find them in Zucotti Park.

    • 165 africa
      February 5, 2012 at 11:13 am

      He said the did a great job of binging issue to floor. But we know PBO was talking about this in 2007.

    • 166 itgurl_29
      February 5, 2012 at 11:39 am

      And once again, Obots are ahead of the curve by months and months. We saw this very thing in the very early weeks of OWS. It’s been crap pretty much from the start.

  39. February 5, 2012 at 11:04 am

    Hi Chips,

    Thank you for finally, FINALLY squashing that bug. I haven’t been posting for a while, some of it primarily because all this information from these paralegal courses are loads of information, but also because of your new rules. Now, you and everyone knows that I can curse up a storm, and the last time that bug pissed me off, I threw down the gauntlet on him/ her, which led him/ her to pull that Republican 1972 Fatrucking trick they seem to pull, ” Hey, I have followed President Obama since the convention in 2004, and I am passionate about him just like you.” Hell, if he/she were passionate about him as I am, then every doubt should have been assuaged every time he won a success, him winning the Democratic Nomination at the beginning to healthcare being passed under him as President, to Barack Obama being behind the mission to ACTUALLY send Osama Bin Laden to the gates of hell. He’s had more than that, of course, but the point is, is he did that stuff when everyone believed otherwise that it was impossible to happen. When it did happen, instead of the assuaged feelings that took a hold of many sane Democrats that this man was able to do, those folks start trying to jolt that back open, to make you doubt again, and to direct you to someone with no chance of winning the Presidency or someone who, if they were to be a victor, would face an even more acrimoniously pungent Washington. This is how you figure out trolls. They always preface a success with BUT, followed by something not meant to be a constructive criticism, but a demoralizing tool which affects those now solaced attitudes negatively. Sows your own doubt and causes you to contemplate even doing your solemn duty, staying home on November the sixth.

    We need all hands on deck this election. The Republican party wants so badly to oust the Obamas from the White House, and have no problems with nominating some awkwardly bumbling, cold, ruthless vulture capitalist hatchet manwho can’t play politics very well, but has billionaire money up the wazoo to play a sitting mannequin for the Republicans in the House, Senate as well as those outside interest group chiefs (Grover Norquist anyone). He could become the next president of the United States and we have to remember that. I don’t say THAT to demoralize, but to slap some sense into people who believe absolute bull..ish about about the current Commander in Chief with people who are supposed to on our side and hold our beliefs closer to theirs.

    I’d like to say on this last note, Chips, that I will absolutely try and follow your rules to the tee, in regards to cursing. I know it is a bad habit, a hereditary one on my part, since pretty much every grandparent of mine could have been shocked the Navy. The next fool that comes in here with that demoralizing bull, I might jack em up on this forum. I’m just telling you now to greatly forgive me for that.

    • February 5, 2012 at 11:08 am

      Chips has teh rulez on rightful cursing ????

      Nah, I don’t believe it. If true, I’d have been kicked to the curbs long time ago given my FF.

    • 170 utaustinliberal
      February 5, 2012 at 11:09 am

      Hey Chris! Missed you on TOD and twitter. Yes you can curse up a storm and your colorful use of the english language cracks me up! Goodluck with your paralegal courses. 😀

      • February 5, 2012 at 11:38 am

        Hey, I’ve been watching you here. I didn’t log on, but I was sort of like Jacob Marley with Ebenezer Scrooge before he appeared, watching this forum. I’ve gotta say that you held your own on here. Though my fingers were getting itchy for logging in and cursing her the hell out. It was strong, but you handled it better than I could.

    • 172 Renegade522/AuntSis
      February 5, 2012 at 11:19 am

      Great post and I hear ya. Some things about us Sailors ring true. Cursing has kept me away from using twitter. Apparently, my vocabulary is much larger than _______, __________, ________ &______. 🙂

  40. 173 utaustinliberal
    February 5, 2012 at 11:05 am

    Chipsticks and LL are you watching? Chelsea v. Manchester United! The game before the BIG game. Goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo BLUE!

  41. 176 clickonitmobile
    February 5, 2012 at 11:07 am

    Can we support these youths from Orlando, FL called Limitless. They are too young to vote but are trying to get the word out to others to vote Obama in 2012. They have t-shirts that are very cool to wear. I think if some of us made purchases for the t-shirts and tweet and Facebook their cause we can make their video go viral and help their efforts in the T-shirt side of the business. I have forwarded their video to a couple of news friends of mine and I hope it get’s picked-up up as a positive story on creative youth activism for the President. I have also purchased 5 T-shirts for my hubby and children.

    I think with the amount of fans on this site we can really help spread the word of their mission and all sport the cool t-shirts they have designed. What do you guys/girls all think?

    • 177 isonprize
      February 5, 2012 at 11:27 am

      Click on it mobile,

      I’d love to support them. But I need a bit more info. I went to the website, and all it had up were the t-shirts. They gotta tell me more. I need another t-shirt like I need a hole in the head, but I would get one if I knew that it was going to a good cause. the video content is excellent, the re-mix is catchy, the young men are on the right path. But from the website, it seems like it’s all about selling the t-shirt.

      They are selling themselves (and Pres Obama) short if they are just trying to make a buck with the shirt. It would be helpful if the website told something about each young man and how they are working in their community, (or whatever the good stuff is that they are doing) As it is now, unless I missed something, the website only has info about sizes and prices of t-shirts, It doesn’t even have a link to that very cool video.

      Just sayin’ … ( You’re welcome. You can pay me with a donation to the Obama campaign 😆 😆 )

    • 178 L3
      February 5, 2012 at 12:10 pm

      What are they doing with the money for the T-shirts?

  42. February 5, 2012 at 11:12 am

    February 04, 2012 1:33 PM
    Romney’s Truth that tells a Lie
    By Rich Yeselson

    So, no surprise, Mitt wins big last night in Nevada. He carries 91% of the 26% of the caucus goers who are Mormons, so that helps him carry overlapping categories like “extremely conservative” and “strong tea party supporter” too. But he also carries Evangelicals, so its pretty much a clean sweep for him of the extreme right of an extremely right wing Nevada Republican electorate.

    More interesting were his victory remarks. You see him trying out Pavlovian culture war phrases for the Revanchist base, e.g. references to Obama’s “colleagues in the faculty lounge.” He’s not good at that—he doesn’t have the sheer ferocity required for it.

    They key move he made in the speech, however, as Jonathan Chait predicted the other day, is a doubling down on hyping bad economic news and hoping that it stays bad. Last night—knowing that a decline to 8.3% unemployment was, while not good, clearly an improvement—he shifted his gaze to what economists call the u6 employment rate. The u6 is the measure, not only of the unemployed, but of those who have stopped looking for work, and those who want full time work, but who are working part time hours. It’s certainly an important metric, and, by definition, it’s always substantially higher than the unemployment rate proper.


    • February 5, 2012 at 12:28 pm

      Jeez, not only is RMoney a creepy stalking but a Slytherin too!

    • February 5, 2012 at 1:52 pm

      What was the u6 unemployment rate before the recession? And how can one motivate people to look for a job if they’ve decided to stop looking? And will they (GOP & naysayers) complain if the unemployment rate rises because some of those discouraged people get back into the workforce?

      In my opinion, President Obama has brought the employment rate back to the point it was at when he got it. He said he’d do it in three years, and he did it. Everything from here on out is gravy. And that recovery is from a recession that he didn’t cause, that was a result of policies that are being touted by the GOP candidates for president. So, given that we’re back to the starting point, we either go back to the dungeons of recession with the GOP, or we move forward. And those who’ve been discouraged need to find a way to be encouraged.

    • 183 57andFemale
      February 5, 2012 at 2:22 pm

      I liked this guy’s posts this weekend. I hope Washington Monthly keeps him around.

  43. February 5, 2012 at 11:18 am

    February 05, 2012 9:53 AM
    Sheldon Adelson is no Fool—and he always bets against the union

    By Rich Yeselson

    Sheldon Adelson didn’t amass a $20 billion fortune by making dumb investments—or, at least, by continuing to make dumb investments. The Timesreports that Adelson, who has known and liked Romney for years, is prepared to contribute substantial money to the Romney cause, and recognizes that his other friend, Newt, may not make it.

    Adelson clearly loves both Romney and Gingrich’s fealty to the policies of Israel’s hard right government. But it’s also important to note that Adelson hates unions about as much as Ahab hated that white whale (except Adelson is sort of the white whale, too…never mind). Over 90% of the rooms on the Las Vegas Strip are unionized. The union, Culinary 226, is, arguably, the most powerful local union in the country, beloved by its membership, primarily, of housekeepers, and tolerated by the large game companies that dominate the strip.

    Except for Adelson, who has rabidly fought the union’s effort to organize his properties. Oddly, the New York Times profile of Adelson didn’t mention this important part of his business career the other day (although a New Yorker Profile from a couple of years ago did). I mention all of this because both Gingrich and Romney share Adelson’s anti-union animus as they do his program for the Middle East. It’s no accident that Romney managed to trash the NLRB in his victory speech last night, and has adopted the old right insult, “union stooges”, to describe the members of the board.


  44. 185 donna dem 4 obama
    February 5, 2012 at 11:23 am

    Happy Sunday Everyone

    Off to finish the Super Bowl Treats

    Honey Barbecue Meatballs
    Hot and Spicy Buffalo Wings
    5 Layer Dip
    Steamed Shrimp
    Veggies and Dip
    Homemade meatlovers pizza

    Chips you are the Queen!

    I thought I was the only one who was suspicious of the recent influx of “some” asking for help with some obnoxious email or whatever. Glad you have nipped that in the bud.

    • 186 Cindy Sweatt
      February 5, 2012 at 12:07 pm

      Sorry, Donna! That was probably me. I needed help finding one post that I lost track of. Everyone here was so helpful. All of you are so skilled and informed. I come here to be uplifted. What is really great is that I get so much information and facts that help bolster me in my work as a NTL in this conservative area. People keep telling me I need to know what “the haters” are saying. I think maybe not. Our President has a wonderful record that just needs to be more public. I like that his campaign is moving beyond the “journalists” and talking to the people. Maybe if we had some real journalists out there her would not have to do that. The journalists are complaining today. They should be embarrassed.

  45. February 5, 2012 at 11:42 am

    Oh, and at the risk of getting me lambasted on my return here, this will not be a repeat of Super Bowl XLII. GO PATRIOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!


    • 191 jacquelineoboomer
      February 5, 2012 at 12:21 pm

      Wow. Not only did John King call him Governor Mormon, but he went on to use the word “Mormon” about 100 times in one sentence. Methinks “Mormon” was on his mind a little too much.

  46. 192 Cindy Sweatt
    February 5, 2012 at 11:56 am

    I am watching Xaxier Becha- something or other from CA on Meet the Press. I am liking him! He can hold his own with those “interrupters.”

  47. 195 desertflower
    February 5, 2012 at 12:03 pm


    Recent facts have not been kind to the political right. A better-than-expected jobs report; a renewed focus on inequality, driven both by CBO research and by the gift of Mitt Romney’s candidacy. What to do?

    The answer is to throw a bunch of bogus numbers at the issues, in the hope that something sticks, or at least that the discussion becomes confused.

    First, about that jobs report: all the usual suspects have jumped on the routine BLS population adjustment to claim that the numbers were cooked. The real story here is that the BLS estimates unemployment based on a monthly survey; this tells us what fraction of workers are unemployed. To turn that into a number of unemployed, the BLS estimates total working-age population; but it updates those estimates only once a year. So there’s usually a step up or down in the totals each January, signifying nothing.

    Back in the Bush years there were a lot of bogus claims of huge job growth reflecting a step up in the population numbers. Now we have Rush Limbaugh, Fox, etc., claiming that a step down somehow implies fake calculations. Still not true. And the thing that makes this so tiring is that they keep trotting out the same old bogosity, no matter how many times it has been refuted.

  48. 196 desertflower
    February 5, 2012 at 12:09 pm

    Why the RW donors will spend oodles of cash to defeat PBO…IMPORTANT READ


    At a private three-day retreat in California last weekend, conservative billionaires Charles and David Koch and about 250 to 300 other individuals pledged approximately $100 million to defeat President Obama in the 2012 elections.

    A source who was in the room when the pledges were made told The Huffington Post that, specifically, Charles Koch pledged $40 million and David pledged $20 million.

    But that figure is chump change compared to the eye-popping return on investment the Kochs can expect if their side wins in November. Ending the estate tax, a policy endorsed by Mitt Romney and every other Republican presidential candidate, would literally be worth billions of dollars to the heirs of Charles and David Koch. As ThinkProgress explained last year:

    According to a quick back-of-the-envelope calculation, the Koch brothers’ heirs’ would save a combined $17.4 billion in estate taxes thanks to Romney’s plan.

    Each of the Koch brothers — Charles and David — is worth about $25 billion. They are each married, so they would receive an exemption on the first $10 million that they pass down, and then theirs heirs would pay a 35 percent tax, or $8.7 billion, on the rest of their vast fortunes.

    Now, this is an exceedingly rough calculation, as it’s almost certain that the Koch’s have engaged in extensive estate planning and would pay nowhere near that amount. But 35 percent is the rate on the books, and Romney’s plan to eliminate the estate tax entirely would undeniably save the Kochs a boatload of money.

  49. February 5, 2012 at 12:18 pm

    The Myth of the American Political Intelligence Gap
    By Tom Junod
    at 4:10PM

    Liberals don’t hate conservatives. They just think they’re stupid.

    Conservatives hate liberals, because they know that liberals think they’re smarter than them.

    Liberals know that conservatives hate them and can’t figure out why, because they don’t hate conservatives in return.

    Conservatives believe that liberals hate them, because it’s easier to feel despised than patronized. And so in addition to hating liberals, they think liberals are liars.

    This is the unspoken dynamic of American politics. It pervades blogs on both left and the right, accounting for the fantasies of victimization underlying most conservative discourse and for the strange liberal habit of offending while trying to appease. It explains why conservatives aren’t lying when they say they have no problem with Barack Obama being black; their real problem is with Barack Obama being black and smart.

    Read more: http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/liberals-smarter-than-conservatives-6649182#ixzz1lWqXFPrX

  50. 199 Dakota
    February 5, 2012 at 12:19 pm

    Good Morning TOD Family

    Cory Booker…

    Don’t speak to me about your religion; first show it to me in how you treat other people. Don’t tell me how much you love your God; show me in how much you love all Hiss children. Don’t preach to me your passion for your faith; teach me through your compassion for your neighbors. In the end, I’m not as interested in what you have to tell or sell or preach or teach, as I am in how you choose to live and give.

  51. February 5, 2012 at 12:22 pm

    Good Sunday Morning Everyone:-)

    Amen Dakota…that’s my motto: No matter what you believe in..if Love isn’t included…anything else is Void

  52. 203 africa
    February 5, 2012 at 12:26 pm

    Soon Mitt will have to start using his fortunes to pay voters to turn out at primaries. Turn out have been down significantly down, Nevada is no different.


  53. 206 Pamela
    February 5, 2012 at 12:38 pm

    Good Morning, TODObots, Ms. Chips. Here is the sun shining again in Seattle, which means inevitably, lots of outdoor work to tidy up after the winter storms. Read the Help? thread again, great togetherness there. It’s okay to have solidarity, it’s okay to be all IN for Obama~Biden 2012! We all have questions, we all pay attention, at times we all need a little help interpreting, but there is a common bond we share, that being a genuine, heartfelt compassion for the dedication, the intelligence and the sacrifice PBO is committed to making, on behalf of all those who are just finding a voice in this country, in this world. It rings true, and we each resonate with that truth. So it is.

    • 207 57andFemale
      February 5, 2012 at 2:27 pm

      “at times we all need a little help interpreting, but there is a common bond we share,…”

      Very well said.

  54. February 5, 2012 at 12:41 pm

    🙂 Cute. BO vs Bo. Now i am really torn.

  55. 211 desertflower
    February 5, 2012 at 12:44 pm

    Warning! Ugly site…but this is how they think….that registering poor voters is UNAMERICAN! They are leeches on society and should NEVER have a voice.Those give aways and handouts they get from the govt are bribes…(which are the exact words that Romney used yesterday…) That the only people “worth” anything are the people that can stand on their own (read, rich).

    I would have posted the thing in its entirety, but it’s long. The site name….should be OXYMORON.


    Why are left-wing activist groups so keen on registering the poor to vote?
    Because they know the poor can be counted on to vote themselves more benefits by electing redistributionist politicians. Welfare recipients are particularly open to demagoguery and bribery.
    Registering them to vote is like handing out burglary tools to criminals. It is profoundly antisocial and un-American to empower the nonproductive segments of the population to destroy the country — which is precisely why Barack Obama zealously supports registering welfare recipients to vote.
    A decade before the Motor-Voter law that required states to register voters at welfare offices was enacted, NAACP official Joe Madison explained the political economy of voter registration drives.
    “When people are standing in line to get cheese and butter or unemployment compensation, you don’t have to tell them how to vote,” said Madison, now a radio talk show host in Washington, D.C. “They know how to vote.”
    Like Madison, Barack Obama grasped this basic truth when he worked for ACORN’s Project Vote affiliate in 1992.
    “All our people must know that politics and voting affects their lives directly,” the future president said. “If we’re registering people in public housing, for an example, we talk about aid cuts and who’s responsible.”
    Encouraging those who burden society to participate in elections isn’t about helping the poor. It’s about helping the poor to help themselves to others’ money. It’s about raw so-called social justice. It’s about moving America ever farther away from the small-government ideals of the Founding Fathers

    This is the shit that passes for “thought”.If I hear “Founding Fathers” used in vain again..I will kick someone’s teeth in. These idiots HAVE NO IDEA they are being used, by the 1%…to further an agenda that would alienate 99% of America.Including THEM! Paint someone else as the demon, to deflect their eyes away from the actual welfare queens….that get the handouts….corporations and the 1%….what the fuck ever happened to critical thinking skills???

    • 212 desertflower
      February 5, 2012 at 12:47 pm

      By the way…here’s Mitt, talking about the”bribing people with handouts” …you know, all those BURDENS to society!


    • 213 JoJothecat
      February 5, 2012 at 1:49 pm

      Wow, and the 1% pouring millions in ads to get other millionaires voted into office for a low government paying job so that the billionaires and millionaires can get their corporate welfare so the middle class can pay their tax burden, seniors will have to chose between eating or medicine, educating can continue to be gutted, veterans who fight for this country can end up homeless?

    • February 5, 2012 at 2:12 pm

      What I’ve heard about that Romney speech yesterday makes me very disgusted. I’m not sure how he can stand in front of his grandchildren and spout such hateful things, unless that’s what’s in his heart, and he actually believes it all. No decent person would stand in front of their children and grandchildren and spout such hateful bile. I haven’t listened to the speech, but I’ve seen snippets, and saw the outrage on twitter last night. The American people can’t seriously want such a flawed person such as this as their leader?

  56. 215 Proud of Obama
    February 5, 2012 at 12:45 pm

    Good morning, TOD family. Having a lively conversation with a woman who’s trying to justify the Catholic church denying women access to birth control. I’ve been peppering her with questions that she can’t answer. Now she’s asking for help from a twitter friend.

    • February 5, 2012 at 2:23 pm

      The thing about that Catholic birth control saga is that most people aren’t even talking about what actually happened. The decision pertains to organizations that offer health insurance to their employees. Those health insurance programs have to include co-pay free birth control coverage. That’s it. And the truth is, if you don’t believe in birth control for whatever reason, you’re not going to be looking for the coverage in your insurance. Just like if you are not catholic, and you work for a catholic organization of some sort, then you may or may not be seeking birth control coverage. And based on statistics I’ve seen floating around – even 98% of catholic women actually do use birth control, so they are getting it from somewhere. And some women who take birth control take it for medical reasons that have nothing to do with controlling pregnancy.

      The outrage is simply because they will have to cover birth control. Even while there is an exemption for religious organizations, those who employ multi-faith employees will not be exempt, but they have a year to transition. There’s no provision that forces women to take birth control, or even forces the catholic organization to dole out birth control. They simply have to help with the cost of basic women’s health, which includes birth control in some cases.

      There is a very brief, plain-speaking write-up on the White House website for anyone who wants to know more: http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2012/02/01/health-reform-preventive-services-and-religious-institutions

  57. February 5, 2012 at 12:46 pm

    New post everyone:


    Just getting my work done, catch up later 😉

  58. 218 jeri Gloss
    February 6, 2012 at 8:35 am

    This man leaves me with wet eyes. He just moves me so much. I pray we get another four years….

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