‘it’s all still true’

Thanks Kasai


Andrew Sullivan: How Obama’s Long Game Will Outsmart His Critics ….It’s not that I don’t understand the critiques of Barack Obama …. it’s that I don’t even recognize their description of Obama’s first term in any way. The attacks from both the right and the left on the man and his policies aren’t out of bounds. They’re simply – empirically – wrong.

….. there have been many times when I have disagreed with decisions Obama has made …. but given the enormity of what he inherited, and given what he explicitly promised, it remains simply a fact that Obama has delivered in a way that the unhinged right and purist left have yet to understand or absorb. Their short-term outbursts have missed Obama’s long game – and why his reelection remains, in my view, as essential for this country’s future as his original election in 2008.

…. If I sound biased, that’s because I am. Biased toward the actual record, not the spin; biased toward a president who has conducted himself with grace and calm under incredible pressure, who has had to manage crises not seen since the Second World War and the Depression, and who as yet has not had a single significant scandal to his name …. What I see is a president whose character, record, and promise remain as grotesquely underappreciated now as they were absurdly hyped in 2008. And I feel confident that sooner rather than later, the American people will come to see his first term from the same calm, sane perspective. And decide to finish what they started.

Full article here

Thanks desertflower


Bob Cesca: Andrew Sullivan wrote a spectacular cover-story for Newsweek about the president’s achievements ….. he underscores something I’ve been trying to outline here for some time now. President Obama’s strategic planning and, specifically, the roll-out of his agenda, is a long term process that requires us to not miss “the screen for the pixels.”

…. Of course Sullivan continues to repeat the myth that the NDAA authorizes indefinite detention of U.S. citizens when, in fact, it simply does not ban it. There’s a difference, and if we want an explicit ban on indefinite detention of citizens, as I do, contact your member of Congress or make a rational case for such a ban to the White House. I assure you, a liberal president will listen to a reasonable argument from liberals (on the other hand, a paleoconservative who’s locked into a fictitious ideology, like Ron Paul, will not). The president has done so before, and he will act. Steve Benen, for example, wrote a measured and rational memorandum to the White House during the healthcare reform debate and some of Benen’s strategic advice was adopted by the administration….

Full post here

Thanks snoopy4eva2


206 Responses to “‘it’s all still true’”

  1. 9 COS
    January 16, 2012 at 3:15 pm

    Happy MLK Day Chips and friends. Chips this ad is fantastic. I see the DNC is on the job. This should be played over and over. 🙂

    • January 16, 2012 at 4:00 pm

      I wonder if this is a topic for discussion.

      I was 11 years old when Dr. King was assassinated. As a primary school child in the Netherlands, I couldn’t read, understand or speak English. Yet I remembered in some odd way he compared himself to Moses in his last speech, of which parts were relayed on Dutch television (subtitled).

      Do we have a “happy” MLK remembrance day ? I certainly vividly recall discussing the barbarous nature – on the school yard, no less – of the US in this murder of someone who sought change (we in Europe thought was certainly reasonable) through peaceful means.

      MLK remembrance to me means to go to his speeches on Youtube (thank God for that – I never imagined before that I could listen to his “I have dream” speech, or all the things he actually said on the 3rd of April, 1968.

      Please, I value your opinion on this.

      • 11 desertflower
        January 16, 2012 at 4:11 pm

        For me…I don’t know that I would call it “Happy”….it is a day of remembrance of a man who’s life’s work was justice for all…brought about in a peaceful, non violent way. Happy to celebrate his life, and all he worked toward for a better and more inclusive world…but THIS day being described as “happy”…I’m not so sure. Great question though! maybe someone else can explain this better than I, or has a different take on it than me…

        By the way, nice to see you back here! Been awhile 🙂

      • 12 Dudette
        January 16, 2012 at 4:20 pm

        Hi TM! Although many of us who are old enough to remember the horrific manner in which he was taken from us, the commemorations in January are about celebrating his birth (January 15th), honoring his work, taking stock in the progress we’ve made toward his vision, and doing what we can to keep moving toward it. It’s the entiretly of his life’s work that is important. So rather than focus on how he died, we’re “happy” that he lived, that he spent his life in service to others, working toward freedom and justice for everyone. That’s my take on it.

        • January 16, 2012 at 4:31 pm

          the commemorations in January are about celebrating his birth (January 15th), honoring his work, taking stock in the progress we’ve made toward his vision, and doing what we can to keep moving toward it. It’s the entirely of his life’s work that is important.

          Thanks – that certainly explains it to me – unfortunately, we do not have a leader like that in Europe (I was going to mention Anne Frank, who was 5 months younger than Dr. King, but she could not even rise to be a voice against another form of racism, but after her death).

        • 16 desertflower
          January 16, 2012 at 4:35 pm

          This. You said that SO much better than I did 🙂

  2. 23 sherijr
    January 16, 2012 at 3:15 pm

    Happy MLK Day TOD~

  3. 24 Dudette
    January 16, 2012 at 3:17 pm

    Perfect ad!

  4. 25 ScottyUrb
    January 16, 2012 at 3:17 pm

    Andrew Sullivan: How Obama’s Long Game Will Outsmart His Critics


    Among other things, Sullivan says:

    “Obama’s foreign policy, like Dwight Eisenhower’s or George H.W. Bush’s, eschews short-term political hits for long-term strategic advantage. It is forged by someone interested in advancing American interests—not asserting an ideology and enforcing it regardless of the consequences by force of arms. By hanging back a little, by “leading from behind” in Libya and elsewhere, Obama has made other countries actively seek America’s help and reappreciate our role. As an antidote to the bad feelings of the Iraq War, it has worked close to perfectly.”

    • 26 desertflower
      January 16, 2012 at 3:22 pm

      Thanks, Scotty…I just posted this one the previous thread…..this hits the newsstands tomorrow, and is the cover story in Newsweek.

      • 27 desertflower
        January 16, 2012 at 3:26 pm

        Just Andrew’s caveat:

        A caveat: I write this as an unabashed supporter of Obama from early 2007 on. I did so not as a liberal, but as a conservative-minded independent appalled by the Bush administration’s record of war, debt, spending, and torture. I did not expect, or want, a messiah. I have one already, thank you very much. And there have been many times when I have disagreed with decisions Obama has made—to drop the Bowles-Simpson debt commission, to ignore the war crimes of the recent past, and to launch a war in Libya without Congress’s sanction, to cite three. But given the enormity of what he inherited, and given what he explicitly promised, it remains simply a fact that Obama has delivered in a way that the unhinged right and purist left have yet to understand or absorb. Their short-term outbursts have missed Obama’s long game—and why his reelection remains, in my view, as essential for this country’s future as his original election in 2008.

        • 28 57andFemale
          January 16, 2012 at 3:31 pm

          Wow. Just wow.

          Needless to say, I will never agree with Andrew Sullivan on everything — he’s conservative and I’m a proud liberal. However, he may be the last thinking conservative in America today — at least the only one putting his words out there.

        • January 16, 2012 at 3:37 pm


        • 31 desertflower
          January 16, 2012 at 4:02 pm

          Now that I have read his piece, in its entirety…I can say, aside for the glaring inaccuracy of his statement on indefinite detention, that this is a thought out, reasoned and well written piece. Mr. Sullivan has finally figured out what all of US knew all along. That PBO plays the long game, and as Sullivan points out: What liberals have never understood about Obama is that he practices a show-don’t-tell, long-game form of domestic politics. What matters to him is what he can get done, not what he can immediately take credit for.

          He bashes the left AND the right….Chips, you have many choices to choose from if you choose to highlight this article. Good Read!

          • 32 desertflower
            January 16, 2012 at 4:04 pm

            Holy Moly, Chips! You’re quick!! Must read article… definitely one to PASS ALONG! Tomorrow, I’ll buy it for the cover 🙂

            • January 16, 2012 at 4:07 pm

              Hey, you were the lightning fast one, I just copied your fine work! It’s a brilliant article by Sullivan …. whose stances continue to leave me hopelessly confused. 😕 Thanks desertflower 😉

              • 34 desertflower
                January 16, 2012 at 4:20 pm

                You’re so welcome:) Some kind soul posted a tiny blurb of this yesterday, and try as I might…I couldn’t find the entire article! I actually found it on Randi’s website this afternoon, and was joyous!
                He confounds me as well, at one time I thought I read that he supported RP..WTF? It is apparent to me that with this article, he has come to his senses and does, in fact, realize what this amazing man has done, in spite of all the obstacles put in his way…and the absolute MESS he inherited. The fact that he has done, what he has done. in this short amount of time…is nothing short of breathtaking.I am grateful for this man every.single.day.

                With the reach of Newsweek, it is my fondest hope, that as people read this and reflect HONESTLY, on these last few years…they will come to realize what we all know. That this man deserves another term, and he continues to have the best interests of the American people in his heart every single day.He continues to be The Only Adult In The Room.

                • 35 susanne
                  January 16, 2012 at 6:08 pm

                  yes, he deserves another term. but even more than that, we all desperately need for him to have another term! the promise of his presidency is still unfolding, and to cut it short would be a tragedy for all.

            • 36 africa
              January 16, 2012 at 4:45 pm

              I think we should make this the highest selling Newsweek magazine. If it is out tomorrow, I am going to buy one. My two sisters in Maryland plan to do the same.

              • January 16, 2012 at 5:24 pm

                Good thought, Africa. I’ve avoided Newsweek for years because of its cheerleading for many of GW’s inane policies, but we should get his one and also write an LTE. You know that the trolls are even now composing anti-Obama screeds to send to Newsweek, so we need to get going to balance the numbers. Sometimes Newsweek will even make an editorial comment about how many pro and con letters they received.

            • 40 SUE DUVALL SMITH
              January 16, 2012 at 5:11 pm


          • 43 nathkatun7
            January 16, 2012 at 8:31 pm

            Sullivan’s piece was thoughtful and deserves all the praise. What he wrote, however, was really nothing new. Smartypants has been exploring the President’s long range approach for quite sometime. She has written some of the most insightful pieces on this topic on her blog. Sadly, because she is not a member of the MSM, very few people got a chance to read her excellent analyses. The same is true of all the excellent pieces by Deaniac and his colleagues at the TPV. Most of Deaniac’s posts focused on the long range policies of the President that were being totally ignored by the holier than thou so called progressives. Nevertheless, I am glad that Andrew Sullivan, with access to MSM, was able to write this excellent article that will reach a much wider audience.

    • January 16, 2012 at 4:04 pm

      Pres. Obama’s foreign policy is by in large Bush 41’s. Both are from the Scowcroft school of FP. It will be interesting if Scowcroft Republicans come out in support of Pres. Obama come the general, because Romney’s FP team is packed with Bush NeoCons. Scowcroft pragmatists and NeoCons don’t see eye-to-eye on anything.

    • January 16, 2012 at 4:04 pm

      Bobcesca’s “take” on Sullivan’s article: (Bobcesca is on Twitter… @bobcesca_go. And, he’s on TOD’s sidebar—> 😉 )

      The President and The Long Game… http://bobcesca.com/blog-archives/2012/01/the-president-and-the-long-game.html

      And, by the way, I didn’t like what Sullivan said about NDAA nor Medicare.

      But, overall, it was alright! 😉

      YES.WE.CAN..DO.(Much)More, Together – WE MUST!

      • January 16, 2012 at 4:15 pm

        Thanks a million snoopy4eva2, just added an extract to the post, I loooooooooooooooove Bob Cesca – thanks again.

      • 48 desertflower
        January 16, 2012 at 4:23 pm

        Hey, snoop 🙂 You’re right…I had mentioned the NDAA as a bone to pick with his article, but the Medicare statement struck me as well….Tweet him and make that correction for him 🙂 And compliment him on his otherwise great article!

        Miss you 🙂

        • January 17, 2012 at 1:16 pm

          Hi df,

          You know, some of PBHO’s distractors, always, get the details of his and his Admin’s achievements wrong…Grrr! 😡

          And, once, I’m back on Twitter, I’ll take your advice about Sullivan.

          Likewise, but, I’ll be back in full force, soon! 😉 🙂

          YES.WE.CAN…DO.(Much)More, Together – WE MUST!

  5. 50 LOL
    January 16, 2012 at 3:18 pm

    From BWD’s post…….WTF?


  6. 58 DrDemocrat
    January 16, 2012 at 3:18 pm

    Happy MLK day!!!

  7. 60 collegekay
    January 16, 2012 at 3:22 pm

    And then he goes on to endorse the guy. What a joke!

    • January 16, 2012 at 3:30 pm

      I have no more respect for the guy. Not that I had much respect for Huntsman to begin with but he didn’t even try to play hard to get. He could have dropped out, laid low and then when its down to two come out and say ‘Of the two GOP candidates, Romney is better suited”

      • 62 Dudette
        January 16, 2012 at 3:33 pm

        That’s what someone with political savvy would do, gb. For him to have been such a highly placed diplomat, you’d think he understand the optics better. He’s pretty much dumped his chances for any further political office anyway, unless maybe the people of Utah want him back.

      • January 16, 2012 at 3:50 pm

        I was just writing basically the same thing. This seemed forced – the GOP is so terrified of the primary lasting past SC that they’re in panic mode.

      • January 16, 2012 at 5:27 pm

        Even the disgraced and repugnant John Edwards played his cards better when it came to endorsing a presidential candidate. For a former ambassador, Huntsman has no negotiating savvy.

    • 65 Dudette
      January 16, 2012 at 3:30 pm

      No integrity whatsoever. We’re better off not having him as Ambassador anyway.

      By the way, the Chinese were so thrilled that we sent such an accomplished, yet down-to-earth Chinese-American replacement in Gary Locke (former Sec of Commerce), he’s pretty much a rock star. So nobody misses Huntsman there either.

      • 66 TrumpDog
        January 16, 2012 at 4:04 pm

        After seeing how this backstabbing opportunist operates, I can certainly see why.
        Good riddance to Huntsman.

      • 67 Pamela
        January 16, 2012 at 5:42 pm

        Gary Locke was governor of Washington State from 1996-2004. Many of us were pleased to see him step up to SOC in the Obama cabinet, and feel for certain he will excel as Ambassador to China. As first lady, Mrs. Locke made many trips to China, often accompanied by a group of educators, particularly with early childhood education as a focus point. The groups were very welcomed by the Chinese, although they came away feeling they had been shown only the finest examples of Chinese ECE programs. So the foundation for continued work with the Chinese government had been well placed by the Lockes.

  8. 68 utaustinliberal
    January 16, 2012 at 3:27 pm

    Hahahahahaha. They really coined the perfect name “Dem Rapid Response.” This ad hits the nail on the head. Huntsman looks like a wimp, a coward, and a hypocrite for touting the lack of trust the American people have experienced at the hands of politicians who speak out of both sides of their mouths and who do one thing with the left hand and at the same time, do something else with the right hand; when he turns around and does the same thing he was crusading against. He points out qualities that make Mitt a fundamentally flawed candidate to carry the GOP banner in 2012 and then he turns around and endorses him? Turns around and makes his Youtube videos against Romney private? He’s just proven once again, that he like Willard, has no core.

    • January 16, 2012 at 3:39 pm

      Exactly. The guy caved in meekly with nary a whimper. He was able to fool some of the people most of the time.

    • 70 Ladyhawke
      January 16, 2012 at 3:40 pm


      Exactly ut. Huntsman does a flip flop and a triple axle with this speedy about face. He looks just as phony as Romney. They are like two peas in pod now.

      • 71 CEB
        January 16, 2012 at 3:43 pm

        trying to scrub his internet attack adds (he really does not understand cyperspace, does he?) as Romney dumped/destroyed files and bought up old computers from his time as Mass. gov.; two peas in a decaying pod, indeed.

    • 72 nathkatun7
      January 16, 2012 at 8:42 pm

      UT, thank you for this excellent comment! You totally nailed the lameness of Huntsman’s endorsement of Romney. It turns out that Huntsman is just as fake as Romney.

  9. January 16, 2012 at 3:44 pm

    Huntsman could have waited a month – his endorsement wouldn’t matter in SC, Fla or Nv anyways – and then could have endorsed and it might have seemed a bit more genuine. However endorsing as he withdraws, not three days after attacking on “I like firing people” and saying Romney is unelectable because of it rings incredibly hollow.

    And it will hurt Huntsman in 2016, because nobody should take his ads or attacks seriously because he proved today he doesn’t believe what he says in them. And in his endorsement he mentions Romney once – and Romney couldn’t even be bothered to be there.

    • 74 Ladyhawke
      January 16, 2012 at 3:56 pm

      Totally agree saintroscoe. Why did Hunstman make skid marks to endorse Romney so quickly? We all understand that the opponents are going to eventually rally around the nominee in the end. But doing it so quickly really looks odd and weak. And it was just days ago that Huntsman was indignant because Romney (now his BFF) slammed him for working for President Obama. I remember Tweety and several gasbags going on and on about that moment and how important it was. A turning point. I look back on that moment now and just shake my head. These people are totally devoid of any core convictions.

      • 75 Debz
        January 16, 2012 at 4:20 pm

        He could have quietly ended his campaign after NH and gone home. Now he has to turn it into an endorsement of Mittens. This guy is clueless.

        • 76 Chi
          January 16, 2012 at 9:29 pm

          Huntsman always lacked judgement, vision, strategy, focus, character, foresight, integrity…

          A well-rehearsed but incredibly fluffy, shallow, greedy, short-sighted, self-serving, lazy opportunistic phony who conveniently abandoned his mostly monolithic state to take an ambassadorial position he thought he could exploit to elevate his resume while lining his family business pockets,…

          Abandons said ambassadorship just 2 years in to run against his stunningly evolved, hardworking, brilliant, focused, strategic, honorable, visionary of a boss…

          Predictably but foolishly buying into his own hype and the flattery of a handful of dubious folks comprising of bitter McCainites and vindictive PUMA’s who egged him on to run…not necessarily because they completely believed in him, his ability and his inevitability…

          He ‘looked’ the part and had studied enough videos of his boss, crammed in as much as he could and unconvincingly spit out soundbites and exact quotes and phrases of President Obama’s…

          But seeing as it was really very slim pickings, that was good enough for his backers in their hate-blinding quest to take down President Obama…

          Huntsman’s vanity and lack of judgement did him in, but worse still, his brief stint in the sun exposed him for the incredibly shallow, hollow actor who has mostly spent time trying to look and play the part, thanks to papa, papa’s money and the hierarchical stranglehold on and control of the uniquely un-diverse Utah…

  10. January 16, 2012 at 3:49 pm

    Ole Huntsman looks plum tuckered out at the end of his campaign, lol. Towards the end he sounded like he was on heavy doses of Nyquil. No pep whatsoever, and the perpetually runny/stuffy nose of a toddler. I hope he’s back in Utah taking a nap with his blankie.

    Only thing missing from this ad is Jon’s assessment of our PBO as a “REMARKABLE LEADER” — which of course is also still true. 😉

  11. 78 pinkbunny
    January 16, 2012 at 3:50 pm

    Have you guys seen this video – it’s kind of funny. This guy takes President Obama’s words from speeches and dubs it to song. I thought this was kind of cool

  12. January 16, 2012 at 3:51 pm

    I assume that bomber jacket was a Christmas gift from his Air Force sons – still looks like he was trying to fake looking Presidential wearing it all over.

    • 86 Alycee (@jazziz2)
      January 16, 2012 at 3:59 pm

      Patch on right is seal of Gov of Utah. However, doubt he wore it while Gov; jacket has that “fresh from the store” look.

  13. January 16, 2012 at 3:53 pm

    Excellent writing from Mr. Sullivan. I’ve always believed that, come November, many Americans will be making the same sober assessments about PBO as they are in the privacy of the voting booth.

  14. January 16, 2012 at 4:10 pm

    New CNN new poll-

    Robney. 48
    Obama. 47

    Obama. 48
    Paul. 46


    • January 16, 2012 at 4:12 pm

      Apparently, Ron pauls crazy stuff is now mainstream America.
      And Robney lies are connecting, according to CNN.


    • January 16, 2012 at 4:14 pm

      Polling now doesn’t matter. There is so much polling being done, and will be done between now and the election – and all supposedly professional companies with solid enough reputations are finding different results – sometimes radically so.

      Was that CNN poll done over the weekend? What were it’s demo break down? Did they switch their demo break down since they last polled?

      • January 16, 2012 at 4:18 pm

        My point is,
        He has almost no minority support, so, who is voting for this clown?
        They must have white liberal support?

        • 93 Bill
          January 16, 2012 at 4:44 pm

          I am no polling expert, but most people under 30 do not have land lines which could be a factor.

        • January 16, 2012 at 4:46 pm

          I don’t know. The GOP floor is 45-46% come November – it’s going to be a nail biter, the country is just that divided and the GOP and Fox Propaganda did a great job in demonizing the President to their supporters/viewers so most will not give an honest look at the past four years.

          • January 16, 2012 at 5:03 pm

            That is what I keep telling everyone, this election will be 1-4 points either way!

            • January 17, 2012 at 10:05 am

              Jovie, You are someone whose comments I always follow because in my opinion you do really good research, and you have passion. I share your passion for the re-election of President Obama, to elect a majority in the House, and to expand to 60+ democrats in the Senate. Before the start of the 2012 election year, there were times I was fearful no one was paying attention to the nastiness coming from the other side. One of the ways I have calmed myself is to be active with OFA. Recently, I participated in a discussion about the upcoming election, and it helped to hear and see that the things we worry about are the very issues they are addressing in the campaign. What I heard reminded me of the 2008 campaign with added nuance. Also, I get a “Daily White House Snapshot,” and I go to WhiteHouse.gov for information. The one thing that helps me personally is my resolve to do at least one thing each day to make sure President Obama gets a second term. I am really impressed by what I see of the official 2012 campaign efforts. One of the recent efforts is the Project Runway where notable designers will design items for purchase through the barackobama.com store. From now on, I will go to the web site to purchase gifts that I buy in 2012. The campaign needs money, that is one way to donate a portion of the purchase price, and you have visible items for others to see which may make them likely to support the President’s re-election. Also, all of the items sold in the online store are “Made In America!”

          • 97 vero804
            January 16, 2012 at 5:05 pm

            I have long feared that the constant anti-Obama furor that the Republicans feel is causing Independents and others to feel like voting against the president not necessarily because they don’t like him or what he’s done, but only because they want the political climate to calm down and they may feel getting the president out of the WH is the easiest way to do it, unfortunately. This has been a real concern for me.

      • 98 Obama Grandmama
        January 16, 2012 at 5:10 pm

        Just heard a woman caller on Ed Schultz’s radio show say she was a Republican that voted for Obama the last time and was voting Ron Paul this time. She went on to say it was because RP warned everyone the Depression was coming. Ed argued with her and didn’t let her just get away with it when she said Obama had an all Dem majority the first two years and didn’t get much done. He argued the obstruction and blockage from Congress. Anyhow, my point is Ron Paul is getting support from some nonthinking people. Even when Ed mentioned RP’s viewpoint on healthcare too.

    • 101 Lorraine
      January 16, 2012 at 4:21 pm

      Registered voters not likely.

      • January 16, 2012 at 4:24 pm

        Thanks for the explanation. I Also looked at the PDF, put it this way, they are underpolling minorities in to
        ComParison to 08!

        • 103 desertflower
          January 16, 2012 at 4:33 pm

          Surprise. 🙂 They DARE not throw those demographics on there…it would throw hot water on the horse race they crave.

        • 104 dotster3
          January 16, 2012 at 5:13 pm

          I just want all of us to do all we can to make sure Obama’s appeal remains wide and expands, not shrinks. It’s the only way he can win. That said, I am skeptical of all polls these days. I don’t trust any of them. It’s become too much of a business instead of a service. I’ve been polled a couple of times by GOP Rasmussen, and it is true that by the framing of the questions, a polling org. can pretty much get whatever result they may be seeking. And then the media picks and chooses which polls and numbers fit the stories they want to push.

    • 105 collegekay
      January 16, 2012 at 4:36 pm

      Polling doesn’t matter right now.

    • January 16, 2012 at 5:07 pm

      Sorry to be cranky but may I just say how irritating I find these polls posted on this site. Forgive me if others find them enlightening. The only real “polls” that will ultimately matter will be votes cast in November.

      • 107 nathkatun7
        January 16, 2012 at 9:43 pm

        Aquagranny, you are not alone. I feel the same way you do. I just don’t see the purpose being served by the constant posting of polls, more than 10 months before the elections. Why must we who support the President buy into the mainstream media obsession with polls? Why must we be constantly bombarded with negative polls that are aimed at discouraging us? Some of these polls are aimed at legitimizing Willard “Mitt” Romney and serve absolutely no predictive value as to what will happen on Nov. 6, 2012.

        Like you, Aquagranny, the only thing that matters to me are the real votes that will be cast on November 6, 2012. Right now, my focus is to work as hard as I can, and donate as much as I am able to, in order to make sure that President Obama will get 270 electoral votes and be re-elected for four more years. As a student of history, I also distinctly remember how polls/predictions turned out in the Presidential election of 1948. What if Harry Truman, who is now a hero of some progressives though they abandoned him in 1948, had paid attention to the polls that were so sure he would be defeated?

        One of the main reasons I left TPM is that site’s obsession with polls. I just hope that on this marvelous site we try our best to ignore all the mainstream media’s demoralizing tactics and stay focused on working to re-elect this good man. That is why I make a point of skipping comments and links that has to do with polls, even those that favor the President. I do that because I strongly believe that this juncture they are all useless. The best evidence of the uselessness of the polls is what has happened to all the “flavor of the month” GOP front runner presidential candidates. Between now and November 6, there is a lot that could happen to influence the real outcome of the election despite all these daily polls.

        • 108 Chi
          January 17, 2012 at 7:02 am

          Thank you Aquagranny and Nathkun…

          It’s getting to the point where some of my silent lurker friends have expressed this same concern, asking if this was still the positive, msm spin free pro -President Obama zone I assured them it was…

          Many people who lurk here do so to get away from the contrived media horse race madness…and the voodoo projections…

    • 109 DrDemocrat
      January 16, 2012 at 5:20 pm

      Ignore all of these polls right now. They absolutely don’t matter. What matters right now is if Obama is raising adequate amount of money and he is organizing big time on the ground. Those two things can make the difference in a tight race. It can be the difference between winning and losing.

      Right now Obama is the most organized candidate especially over the GOP candidates.

  15. 111 carolyn
    January 16, 2012 at 4:13 pm

    The closing of Huntsman’s campaign reminds me of the ending of T.S. Eliot’s long poem: “This is the way the world ends, Not with a bang, but a whimper.” A pathetic no one.

  16. 113 criquet
    January 16, 2012 at 4:14 pm

    In keeping with Mr Sullivan’s piece, I think it is worth noting President Obama’s long game with Jon Huntsman. He neutralized Huntsman as a threat early on by offering (and somehow persuading him to accept) the post as ambassador to China. Without his ambassadorial stint under PBO, he might have been a formidable candidate. More of the long game strategy that PBO ‘s opponents ignore or don’t understand at their peril.
    Credit to you sir, once again.

    • 114 nathkatun7
      January 16, 2012 at 10:08 pm

      Brilliant insight, Criquet! It makes a lot of sense.

    • 115 Chi
      January 17, 2012 at 7:09 am

      …He neutralized Huntsman as a threat early on by offering (and somehow persuading him to accept) …

      Completely disagree with this premise…

      There was no ‘persuasion’ and if Huntsman had half a brain, he should have turned it down and focused on his barely months old second term gubernatorial stint…

      Certainly devoid of foresight and good judgement…

  17. 116 carolyn
    January 16, 2012 at 4:15 pm

    CNN wants a “horse race” It’s good for their ratings. I don’t believe their polls until election night…..then they get surprised.

    • 117 vero804
      January 16, 2012 at 5:07 pm

      The only thing I’ll say is that a lot of polling had us losing the House and the seats we lost in the Senate before the vote in 2010 midterms. We have to pay attention to them to at least see which way the wind is blowing, generally.

      We cannot deny that this will be a close election. The Republicans have done a bang-up job polarizing this country in a way I haven’t seen in my 30+ years on this earth.

  18. January 16, 2012 at 4:15 pm

    Oprah has a good documentary on MLK days before his death.

  19. January 16, 2012 at 4:18 pm

    Another interesting take away from the Sully piece –

    “Instead, Obama reversed Bush’s policy of ignoring Osama bin Laden, immediately setting a course that eventually led to his capture and death. And when the moment for decision came, the president overruled both his secretary of state and vice president in ordering the riskiest—but most ambitious—plan on the table.”

    Both Sec. Clinton and VP Biden advised against the raid. Wow. That’s arguably the two opinions he’d have to depend on in such a situation. I have to assume Gates wanted to go for it. Because if you had VP, Sec of State and SecDef against it that would be too much to overrule.

    • 120 Debz
      January 16, 2012 at 4:23 pm

      Gates was the SecDef he was against it.

      • January 16, 2012 at 4:38 pm

        Gates against it as well? Wow so Vice President, Secretary of State and Secretary of Defence were against it? Who was possibly for it with any such heft? McRaven, Panetta (as CIA chief), Donilon?

        • 122 criquet
          January 16, 2012 at 4:41 pm

          Only Panetta.

        • 123 Chi
          January 17, 2012 at 7:16 am

          Gates wanted a drone attack on the compound…

          President Obama wanted the riskier stealth special op approach which guaranteed that Bin Laden was gotten and could be categorically identified, limited loss of innocent lives since there were children and women living with him and most importantly, retrieval of valuable information that might have otherwise been destroyed in a drone attack…

    • 124 Dudette
      January 16, 2012 at 4:24 pm

      Could you see Bush overruling Condi AND Cheney in that situation? Fat chance!

    • 126 Ladyhawke
      January 16, 2012 at 5:44 pm



      Remember during the administration of President George W. Bush – all we ever heard was General Petraeus says this and General Petraeus says that. The mantra was whatever the generals say. Senator John McCain could not speak without mentioning General Petraeus in every other sentence. Why does a general need a public relations team??

      Fast forward to President Obama. It’s not just what the generals have to say. President Obama gets input and advice from his entire National Security Team. But in the end, he makes the decision. Just like he made the decision to take action to get OBL. Everyone did not agree with it. But that’s what it means to be Commander In Chief. He made the final decision. The buck stops with him.

      Rachel Maddow had an excellent segment last week with Michael Hastings of Rolling Stone (The Runaway General). He reported on the General McChrystal debacle (criticizing the civilian leadership in the government) that subsequently got him fired. He is also the author of The Operators: The Wild and Terrifying Inside Story of America’s War in Afghanistan. It was a fascinating behind the scenes discussion about the “celebrity generals’ phenomenon. Thankfully, it appears the era of celebrity generals is being phased out.



  20. 127 LadyTNT
    January 16, 2012 at 4:30 pm

    Hey guys, I wanted to tell y’all this funny story. So, I was sitting in the living room and I heard my mom’s phone ring. The next thing I heard was her yelling NO, NO, NO!!! I was thinking who is she talking to. Then I heard her yelling OBAMA, OBAMA, OBAMA, OBAMA. I immediately started laughing. Then she said, “I LOVE OBAMA, OBAMA, OBAMA!” When she got off the phone she said, “one of these crazy republicans just called and asked me would I vote for him and I said NO then they asked who would I vote for and I screamed OBAMA!! Then they asked did I favor OBAMA and I said yes, I love him. They said, we’re going to hang up now and I said, good get of my phone with this mess!” You guys, I was laughing so hard. I bet they know better than to call her number again. They have not called my phone yet and I hope they never do, for their sakes. 🙂

  21. 135 carolyn
    January 16, 2012 at 4:32 pm

    PBO exemplifies the saying “It’s lonely at the top.” He knew he would be in the trash heap of history if this failed, and he was willing to take this calculated risk, because, as he said so many times, of the professionalism and capabilities of Seal Team 6. He used his capabilities in a striking way, the way they are supposed to be used.
    He also reminds me of MLK’s line “I have been to the mountaintop, I’ve seen the promised land…..” The President KNOWS what good can happen with patience, eschewing the easy political gain.
    This is what I think the media has been doing since January 20, 2009: Walking back their enthusiasm for him during the campaign….we all remember Tweety’s “tingle down his leg” I think he has been trying to live that down since then. As Sullivan said, the “hype.” If you read what PBO actually said, it is not what the media hyped. Too many people believe what is said ABOUT him, not what he actually says.
    I remember Howard Fineman critiquing his inaugural address…..of all people to critique PBO!…..but the President didn’t wax hysterical and hyperbolic, he was businesslike, and set out pretty clear objectives…the media wanted raving hyperbole.

  22. January 16, 2012 at 4:33 pm

    Despite the CNN screaming headline, Obama leads Romney 49-47% among all adults (the other numbers were for registered voters) plus he leads Romney among Independents.
    Second, I don’t trust CNN. They are looking for a horse race to boost ratings.

    • 139 LOL
      January 16, 2012 at 5:13 pm

      You see how that works aamom? All the latest polls have the president beating Romney with indies (whom according to msm is almost as coveted as ponies)….YET Romney polls ahead. They really really want a race.

    • 140 dotster3
      January 16, 2012 at 5:25 pm

      I also think it’s bound to have affected some soft support that all this attention has been focused on the Repub race, their million debates and the media singularly focused on them and their primary campaign.

  23. January 16, 2012 at 4:34 pm

    Regarding Sully’s take on the DADT long game repeal, I feel Pres. Obama is doing this with same-sex marriage as well. He wants to be unprovocative as possible on hot button issues to take the hair-on-fire politics out of it. I believe he’s a same-sex marriage supporter, but he’s offering himself up as an example to the many, many who are legitimately on the fence. Those folks who might say they support same-sex marriage when polled publicly, but in the privacy of a voting booth, cast their ballot for the opposite. California and Maine both has same sex marriage props voted down after all – not exactly red state America either of them.

    So in struggling with the issue and evolving, he’s using himself as an example to others to help them gradually warm to the idea. It might be slow, painfully so, and a lot of people are being hurt now – but change, drastic change, doesn’t happen over night. I fully expect same sex marriage to be legal and law of the land sometime in Pres. Obama’s second term. He understands that as a hot button political issue it needs to be decided outside of the political sphere – in the courts. I can’t imagine the Supreme Court ruling against same-sex marriage once it finally get there. There is simply no grounds they could choose to support bigotry and discrimination – the otherside cannot prove harm done to them if same sex marriage is allowed. However same sex couples can point to the disadvantages and harm they face by it being banned.

    Not too often does Conservatives agree on anything with Pres. Obama but many times I’ve heard them defend themselves to their gay marriage stance by saying “I agree with President Obama on this…”. So what happens when SCOTUS rules banning same-sex marriage is unconstitutional and Pres Obama comes out and said he agrees with the ruling – Conservatives will not be able to rant and rave at Pres. Obama’s political radicalism and make a huge issue out of the change because it was done in the courts and the current SCOTUS is 5-4 conservative for all intents and purposes. I could eventually see a 7-2 SCOTUS ruling, with Kennedy, Roberts and Scalia siding with the liberal wing. Now there will be language in it to please the religious institutions as there should be – but in the end same sex marriage will be treated exactly like opposite sex marriage in the eyes of the law and it will be called marriage.

  24. January 16, 2012 at 4:37 pm

    After doing some research…here’s some info about TeapartyForObama

    Domains By Proxy, LLC.
    Registered through: Go Daddy.

    Name Server IP Location
    Scottsdale, AZ, US
    Scottsdale, AZ, US
    ping teapartyforobama.com

    • January 16, 2012 at 4:40 pm

      I simply don’t trust it and wouldn’t send a dime to it or publicize it in any way. Anybody can call themselves “Teaparty for …”, it would be no different than if I started a group called “OFA for Romney” to rake in Romney supporter money.

    • 148 collegekay
      January 16, 2012 at 4:45 pm

      Hmmm. I don’t trust them.

    • 149 lmrjones
      January 16, 2012 at 5:01 pm

      teaparty for anything will never get one red cent from me…. AND why would they need donations if they are truly FOR PBO? If they were really PBO supporters, then they would simply have a link to OFA for donations! #moneyscamming

      Happy Martin Luther King, Jr. Day, TOD family!

    • 150 Obama Grandmama
      January 16, 2012 at 5:24 pm

      There was someone above that mentioned English spelling in the post and I agree. There were more words than one in the post spelled in the English style not the American style.

      I was scammed just last month on my email account with the scammer pretending to be me and making contact with all of my email address book. I travel a lot but was an elementary teacher. So some knew it wasn’t me by the incorrect spelling, yet others thought it could be due to the travel aspect. The old I was in England on a trip and beaten up and robbed and I needed cash atory was used. It is a mess to clean up afterwards but I was warned with a phone call from my daughter and was able to take care of it and get my email address straightened out quickly. I couldn’t get back into my email though as the address and info was changed so it took a phone call. It actually took all day to get through it all but I was able to warn my contacts quickly. I do not take possible scams lightly now or did I before. Be careful whom you send money to especially when the opposition wants to invade our sites, minds and pocketbooks.

  25. January 16, 2012 at 4:47 pm

    I am with you Saintroscoe…Fact that’s coming from Arizona..and was registered in april wonder if somehow, they trying to infiltrate OFA. I will believe it when I see them campaigning and giving to PBO’s campaign….wake me up when that happens…

  26. January 16, 2012 at 4:52 pm

    HA! Love this new, sharp DNC! They don’t let you go out with a whimper, they slam the door on your butt with a bang! 😆 😆

  27. January 16, 2012 at 4:52 pm

    Is there a live concert that would be televised at 6pm this evening. If so, 0n what station will it be televised?

  28. 154 desertflower
    January 16, 2012 at 4:52 pm

    Well…I LIVE In Az and have never heard of them…Go Daddy is based in Scottsdale, I have a friend that works for them. I would NEVER give them $$$….but I would keep track of them and see what they’re up to.

    OH! Something just popped into my head…I wonder if Palin has decided she needs more $$$ and this was a way to fake us out. She bought a foreclosure out here last summer……always something for next to nothing! Just a thought….

  29. 158 Linda
    January 16, 2012 at 4:59 pm

    As deadline nears, friends and foes of Keystone XL pipeline step up campaigns

    Environmentalists note that in December 2010, according to Boehner’s financial disclosure forms, he invested $10,000 to $50,000 each in seven firms that had a stake in Canada’s oil sands, the region that produces the oil the pipeline would transport. The firms include six oil companies — BP, Canadian Natural Resources, Chevron, Conoco Phillips, Devon Energy and Exxon — along with Emerson Electric, which has a contract to provide the digital automation for the first phase of a $9.4 billion Horizon Oil Sands Project in Canada.


  30. 160 defytheodds
    January 16, 2012 at 5:01 pm

  31. 161 LOL
    January 16, 2012 at 5:12 pm


    Jeez how many tight shots of the president do you need?

    Shorter ad: “Hey did you guys know “Obama” was black?” These cons will never cease to amaze me.

    • January 16, 2012 at 5:17 pm

      Good grief, why didn’t they just call the video ‘SINISTER BLACK MAN’?


    • 163 defytheodds
      January 16, 2012 at 5:33 pm

      Even though they meant it for evil, it will all turn out for good.
      I like that stern look PBO has—an the look in his eyes that says don’t “F” with me.
      They’re all afraid of this man and of his massive grassroots organization, ie, The OFA Ground-Game!

    • January 16, 2012 at 5:47 pm

      I’m alright with it. There were plenty tight shots of Mittens as well. Santorum is trying to tie Romney to the President and that’s fair game.

  32. January 16, 2012 at 5:12 pm

    Let Freedom Ring! featuring Bobby McFerrin


    Come back at 6:00 PM Eastern time to view today’s live broadcast.


    Live coverage?? But I can’t see anywhere on the site that seems to have a live player?? Help?!

    UPDATE: Wait!


  33. 167 defytheodds
    January 16, 2012 at 5:15 pm

    My take on why Huntsman is dropping out, now, an immediately endorsing Willard is to allow his father, who’s worth over a Billion 1/2 bucks, to write huge checks to Willard’s Super Pac. Not to mention, if the unthinkable happen, which we want allow it to; Huntsman would want/get a plum job in Willard’s Admin. like SOS.

  34. January 16, 2012 at 5:17 pm

    Regarding Huntsman’s endorsement of Romney rests in the fact he is Mormon; plain & simple. It is expected, and I am sure he received numerous calls from the Elders/Bishops in the LDS church.

  35. January 16, 2012 at 5:21 pm

    David Axelrod duking it out with Romney adviser Eric Fehrn on twitter

  36. January 16, 2012 at 5:23 pm

    Hmmm… Santorum’s Healthcare Pitch Sounds An Awful Lot Like Obamacare For The Elderly
    Brian Beutler January 9, 2012, 2:11 PM

    Ever since Republicans in Congress voted overwhelmingly for Paul Ryan’s budget, the GOP has expected its leading Presidential candidates to back a similar Medicare privatization scheme. Most of them have followed suit. Rick Santorum is trying to have it both ways. During Sunday morning’s NBC debate, the come-from-behind winner of the Iowa caucuses talked about his Medicare pitch to voters.

    If he truly supports the original Ryan plan, then he’s misleading seniors about how expensive his plan will be for them. If, by contrast, he wants seniors to enjoy the same health benefits as members of Congress, it’s still privatization — but he’s basically calling for Obamacare for seniors, while simultaneously trashing Obama’s record on health care.

    Read more: http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/01/santorum-tries-to-have-it-both-ways-on-paul-ryan-budget.php

  37. 172 Ahero62
    January 16, 2012 at 5:24 pm

    By the way, did anyone else watch Oprah’s interview of Chris Christie last night on OWN? It was illuminating, even Chritie knows it is not going to be easy to defeat President Obama. Christie said it was too late to advice Obama but if he was asked a year ago, he would’ve told PBO to make John Boehner his best friend, call him, have him over at the white house often and play golf with him often! But now it is probably too late because everyone is in a campaign mode. But Christie said he would be ready in 4 years to run for President. Christie said PBO is the shrewdess politician he has ever met and the best campaigner! Christie also said that Romney has the qualifications to be president but has a problem communicating and connecting with ordinary people.

    • 173 hopefruit2
      January 16, 2012 at 5:33 pm

      I don’t think PBO needs Christie’s advice on ANYTHING. On the other hand, I think Christie could use some of FLOTUS’s advice on how to be physically healthy while making appropriate nutritional choices.

      • 174 Ahero62
        January 16, 2012 at 5:38 pm

        Christie’s wife said she gets hurt when the comedians make fun of her husband’s weight! He is trying to get healthy before 2016 and I said best of luck buddy!

        • 175 anniebella
          January 16, 2012 at 5:56 pm

          Someone need to ask Christie’s wife how do she think Michelle Obama feel when they lie and call her husband everything but a child of God. So Christie didn’t run this time cause he can’t run. Once he lose some weight, he’ll run in 2016. He probably will have the weight loss surgery.

        • January 16, 2012 at 6:06 pm

          It will be tough, given the man is in his fifties and that big. He could go biggest loser ranch style, but he’s in a stressful job and that’s not conducive to making a big lifestyle change.

          Did he rule out a VP run – reading between the lines he seems to have. Also seems to believe Romney won’t win if he’s talking about running in four years.

      • 177 defytheodds
        January 16, 2012 at 5:47 pm

        “Christie could use some of FLOTUS’s advice on how to be physically healthy while making appropriate nutritional choices.” 🙂

        “a problem communicating and connecting with ordinary people.” Wasn’t it Christie yelling at the school teacher?

        All of these Charles and David Koch brothers’ bought politicians are so full of it… They’re all totally paid for…If the Koch brothers “told Christie” to jump in, he would.
        But the Koch brothers know Christie-Cream would lose to PBO–b/c PBO is a much better communicator and a whole lot healthier looking, too.

      • 178 nathkatun7
        January 16, 2012 at 10:30 pm

        Bravo, hopefruit2!

  38. January 16, 2012 at 5:24 pm

    I flippin’ adore David Axelrod:


  39. January 16, 2012 at 5:27 pm

    Mitt Romney’s campaign has invited a trio of anti-illegal-immigration advocates to act as surrogates in the spin room after Monday’s debate in South Carolina, according to Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach (R), one of the surrogates.

    Kobach is best known for helping Arizona lawmakers to write a controversial anti-illegal-immigration bill that has since been adopted in other states — including South Carolina.

    He said he will be joined by Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah), who has said all illegal immigrants should be deported and won his seat by hammering then-Rep. Chris Cannon (R-Utah) for supporting amnesty for undocumented immigrants, and Bay Buchanan, a longtime conservative activist who was a senior adviser on former Rep. Tom Tancredo’s (R-Colo.) 2008 presidential campaign. All three have endorsed Romney.


    Hispanics will come out in droves, when they see this. Why is Robney
    alienating Hispanics. This is stupid! Anyways…

  40. 189 Linda
    January 16, 2012 at 5:36 pm

    Watching Hardball ? A segment on Andrew Sullivan.

    • 190 Obama Grandmama
      January 16, 2012 at 10:14 pm

      Saw that segment and Andrew said he was a Reagan supporter then and an Obama supporter now as he feels both were transformative for their times.

  41. January 16, 2012 at 5:41 pm

    In another era Jon Huntsman would have been the front runner to get the GOP nomination. Now he’s reduced to supporting a flip flopping empty suit.

  42. January 16, 2012 at 5:41 pm

    Crowd of at least 500 gather at park near Gov Snyder’s home, waiting for Detroit buses to arrive.

    • 194 Linda
      January 16, 2012 at 5:47 pm

      What is going on ?

      • 195 Mary
        January 16, 2012 at 10:24 pm

        They are protesting the Emergency Financial Manager legislation that disenfranchises citizens in Michigan by dismissing their elected leaders if the city/school district is taken over by a Financial Manager. Anyone who isn’t sure about voting President Obama and every other Democrat they can get their hands on into office ought to come to Michigan to see what destruction a Republican governor and legislature can do.

  43. January 16, 2012 at 5:50 pm

    Crit Luallen says if she runs statewide again it ‘would be for governor’
    By Ryan Alessi| December 29, 2011

    As two-term state Auditor Crit Luallen finishes up her tenure this week, she already is being courted by her fellow Democrats to prepare to run for something else, such as U.S. Senate. But Luallen has her eye on a different office. “My real skills and abilities are at the state level … I really have more background and experience and ability in dealing with state policy and state budget matters,” Luallen said.

    Luallen said she still hasn’t made a decision about her political future but will decide her intentions — specifically about running in that the U.S. Senate race — before the end of 2012. But she said the gridlock in Washington — and McConnell’s role in that as a member of leadership — provides “an opportunity for an opponent who has strength and credentials.”

    Read more: http://mycn2.com/politics/crit-luallen-says-if-she-runs-statewide-again-it-would-be-for-governor#comment

  44. January 16, 2012 at 5:52 pm

    @ppppolls: Our poll tomorrow has Obama with his best national standing against Romney since May…good way to start the year

    Ok somebody how do I get a tweet to show the white background and stuff?

    • January 16, 2012 at 7:09 pm

      On the tweet you like – click on the link that says the time it was posted ie “12 minutes ago” that will bring you to a separate page for the tweet – from there just copy the address from the address bar from your browser of choice and then paste that address here. The rest takes care of itself.

  45. 201 DIVASMOM
    January 16, 2012 at 6:01 pm

    Hi everyone, regarding Mr. Sullivans article let’s hope people are now getting it about our prez. I say better late then never.

  46. January 16, 2012 at 6:26 pm

    Love Sullivan’s article. I will be buying multiple issues of Newsweek and be passing them out. Romney has been in the spot light because of the primaries, he is the “hot” canidate, but like Sullivan stated…Obama plays the long game. Let the repugs crown their nominee, Obama has yet to start, he is waiting patiently to have their offical nominee. And yes…I do believe 45-48% of the American population are DUMB, but 52% can give us 4 more years…lets just be sure they can vote.
    Thank you Mr. Sullivan!

  47. January 16, 2012 at 7:48 pm

    I don’t care how much any of them deny it, Obama’s critics (the one’s who hate him so viscerally) just can’t accept that we have a black man for president. It’s as simple as that.

  48. 206 Mary
    January 16, 2012 at 10:26 pm

    Non of the videos or pictures are showing up for me. I’ve just go big black or white spaces. 😦

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