226 Responses to “44 at 49 (chat away)”


  1. 1 Hachikō
    December 19, 2011 at 8:10 pm

    I’m beginning to think it might be a good thing for Repubs to have a debate each week. Frighten the hell out of lackadasical Democrats and make them realize they better get POTUS’ back before one of these Repub clowns take over the White House.

  2. December 19, 2011 at 8:10 pm

    Oh, Mr. Boehlert, of course it’ll be ignored by the Village. But it will get out, nonetheless. Press on!

    • 5 Cha
      December 19, 2011 at 9:47 pm

      I like the way you think, LL! Before, PBO and TOD(and the other Activist Blogs but, especially TOD, afaics)..It was just “of course it will be ignored”. NOW It’s All DIFFERENT!

      THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH~ CHIPS!~

  3. 6 hopefruit2
    December 19, 2011 at 8:12 pm

    Poll: Obama Takes Lead In Swing States

    The Gingrich/Romney fight seems to be taking a toll on the GOP’s general election matchups, according to the latest Purple Strategies poll of a dozen swing states. President Obama now leads Mitt Romney 47-43 in the surveyed states, up from 45-45 last month, and leads Gingrich 48-42, up from 46-44 last month.

    http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/updates/2944

  4. December 19, 2011 at 8:12 pm

    That pic stuck out for me too when I saw it. He looks fierce.

  5. December 19, 2011 at 8:12 pm

    I just love looking at those numbers.
    Thanks Chips!

  6. December 19, 2011 at 8:12 pm

    This tweet cracked me up, from Rusty Boehner’s Press Secretary:

    Yep, that was the headline news from the poll 😆

  7. 22 isonprize
    December 19, 2011 at 8:13 pm

    PRESS ON!!! Baby, PRESS ON!!!

  8. December 19, 2011 at 8:15 pm

    George Clooney: talked with the president at one of those fundraisers some months back, and I asked him, “What keeps you up at night?”

    And he said, “Everything. Everything that gets to my desk is a critical mass. If it gets to my desk, then no one else could have handled it.” So I said, “So what’s the one that keeps you up at night?”

    He goes, “There are quite a few.”

    So I go, “What’s the one? Period.”

    And he says, “Pakistan.”

    I get that: There’s the question of whether Zardari’s government is actually in control, or whether the military is. And how close the Taliban, or Al Qaeda, or whoever else is to having their hands on real weapons of mass destruction. It’s the closest government there is to allowing those weapons to either be used or sold to places that we really wouldn’t like to have those weapons. That’s a concern for all of us.

    Read more: http://www.esquire.com/features/what-ive-learned/meaning-of-life-2012/george-clooney-quotes-0112-3#ixzz1h27WVGk7

  9. December 19, 2011 at 8:16 pm

    I just don’t understand the 40%+ who think the GOP is better at handling taxes, caring for middle class, or dealing with the economy. Haven’t they been paying attention? Donna Dem posted a good summary earlier today about a conversation she had with some Independent friends, and I have been disturbed by their comments ever since. What will it take for these people to believe that when the Republicans show that they are only interested in caring for the middle class, and that they mean to do harm to everyone else – that they mean it?! To think that Romney is going to govern as a moderate President, after he wins as an extreme money-monger with no core – why would he do that? If they think that the GOP won’t destroy women’s rights and union rights – then they should look at Wisconsin. If they think that they will get a fair shake at maintaining a middle class lifestyle for their children and grandchildren, then they should look at the decline of the middle class over the past 30 years, and the fact that Grover Norquist announced that a tax increase on the middle class doesn’t really count as a tax increase. What will it take for these people to see the truth? Very disturbing.

    • 27 Brian
      December 19, 2011 at 8:25 pm

      You have just voiced my same puzzlement. To me it seems like a no-brainer. I keep flashing back to Carole King’s statement “Common sense is reelecting Barack Obama.”

    • 28 ChristiMtl
      December 19, 2011 at 8:37 pm

      RW media….republicans own the airwaves………look how they protected and promoted the teabaggers in 2010 before the elections. Not talking Fox here, CNN was the biggest cheerleader for the t-party.

      Not all people are political junkies….it’s difficult to get the truth out. We only have social medias…and ”some” on MSNBC, a few,.

      If the pay attention to Fox, CNN, Morning Joe, etc….it’s understandable..

      They believe the lies and propaganda.

      • December 19, 2011 at 8:50 pm

        What about their own sad plights and common sense ? There must be a point that you stop and think for yourself.

      • 30 donna dem 4 obama
        December 19, 2011 at 9:00 pm

        ChristiMtl….You Nailed It!!!

      • 31 donna dem 4 obama
        December 19, 2011 at 9:32 pm

        But not just CNN, Fox and Morning Joe…our very own doster has been reporting daily that eveyday The Today Show trouts out a Republican to give their talking points for the day with generally zero, nada, no rebuttal from a Democrat. The Today Show is the number one rated Morning show and has been for 16 years. Almost 6 million people watch that show every morning while getting ready to go to work.

        This is what we are up against.

    • 34 donna dem 4 obama
      December 19, 2011 at 8:59 pm

      I know its frustrating and disturbing theo67 but the average voter simply doesn’t pay that close attention to what is really going on. They get their information in sound bites that basically lean right wing. I had someone tell me a few weeks ago that they just don’t understand why PBO can’t make Congress do what he wants just like GWB was able to get Congress to do what he wanted. How often is the obstruction of the Republican party reported by our media? Better yet when has anyone done any serious reporting on the abuse of the filibuster? We watch every moment of this stuff day in and day out but most people don’t. So our media does the public a great disservice and leave the average voter ignorant.

      I hear pundits say all the time, “the failed policies of the Obama administration” without qualifying the statement. They just repeat Republican talking points. If a person hears it often enough they begin to believe it. The stimulus was extremely successful based on the intended purpose but I’ve heard it reported as being a failure by the likes of some pundits simply because the Republicans say so. Its very hard for the public who don’t spend all day following this administration to know what exactly is the truth.

      As I said earlier today…we have our work cut out for us next year.

      • 35 desertflower
        December 19, 2011 at 9:09 pm

        Absolutely. You know, our intense interest and fact finding in politics, is both a blessing and a curse 🙂 We pay SO much attention to every detail, despite the MSM, that we know how awful they are, we know how they only spew RW talking points, and we know that they aren’t that up on the issues….the majority of America is just simply blissfully ignorant….until closer to the elections….we have to get the truth out NOW, so they can understand the stark differences when they hear them! ASAP!

      • December 19, 2011 at 9:49 pm

        But what gets me, Donna, is that people just have to look at their own lives to figure out if they have profited from Republican policies. When people were screeching in 2007/2008 about the decline in their 401K, President Obama hadn’t even taken office yet. Can they really say that they believe lies that they’re fed on TV, but won’t believe the truth of their own lives?

        I’m so disheartened by the apathy and ignorance I’m seeing, and the willingness to believe that either President Obama is the problem, or that somehow Romney is the solution. You’re so right – we have our work cut out for us!

      • 37 Cha
        December 19, 2011 at 10:02 pm

        And, we have President Obama who will be working so hard out on the campaign Trail to set the record straight that the gopropaganda machine/aka/corporatemediawhorenews is DISTORTING.

      • December 20, 2011 at 6:54 am

        GM Donna…

        Right On Target….

        we have to get the word out to our neighbors and friends…family….and ask them to pass it onnn

    • 39 almablanca
      December 19, 2011 at 9:44 pm

      I was recently travelling in Fla on a holiday. Overheard at the restaurant table behind me. ‘I can’t stand him, but I suppose I will just have to hold my nose and vote.’ Clearly a Repub who is struggling with their candidates. As your president says, there is a great divide in philosophy. Some folk will never be able to move beyond their party’s stand on values and issues no matter what. Maybe all those who vote democrat should just declare for their candidate and repubs do the same, them leave the nine or ten percent independants to make the decision.

    • December 19, 2011 at 9:54 pm

      47% voted for McCain and that freak-show VP of his. Half of this country is totally stupid. Totally.

  10. December 19, 2011 at 8:18 pm

    uugghh…40% still believe in the rethugs on jobs & taxes ? How much more LIV one could get ?

    • 42 desertflower
      December 19, 2011 at 8:50 pm

      I am of the thought that these remnants of the “refuse to see Republicans for what they really are” crowd, is just in denial. I think that they have been Republican all their lives, and they are now just like comfy slippers….they may have holes in them , and trip you when you walk in them because they are so beat up, but they refuse (as of now) to believe that these guys are not the same Republicans of old. I think the best thing that can happen for PBO, is a long, protracted R primary…the more/longer this whole crazy car keeps spewing, the more crazy they sound….the more people will begin to realize that they don’t like what the Rs have become.

      Not one of them is qualified to hold that office. Not one. And PBO hasn’t even got the chance to debate whoever wins, one on one. I can’t wait for that! The longer they talk, the more extreme they become. They will be their own worst enemy by the time this dog and pony show is over.

  11. December 19, 2011 at 8:19 pm

    Hello everybody. I can’t possibly be first, can I?

    • December 19, 2011 at 8:22 pm

      Whatever, I like these poll figures. Things will be okay. All we’ve got to do is work our tails off to get our president re-elected. Love the snow, Chipsticks. Also congratulations on your terrific shredding you did on that nutty looking twerp, Byron Tau. It was excellent. I keep re-reading it.

      • 45 desertflower
        December 19, 2011 at 8:42 pm

        I missed it, Joan! What did she say???? Do tell! By the way, are you feeling better?

      • December 19, 2011 at 8:42 pm

        Hiya Joan, nothing more enjoyable than going after a GOPolitico scribe …. although there’s usually so much material it’s hard to know where to start. I’m relieved you like our fluffy snow – I was afraid it might make people’s computers explode. I tried it briefly last year and it caused mayhem, malfunctioning computers everywhere!

        I try (hard) not to play too much attention to polls this far away from the election, but if I allow bad ones depress me, I’m going to let this one make me smile!

        Hope you’re doing well Joan, you’ve had a testing year.

  12. December 19, 2011 at 8:20 pm

    Eric Cantor, the puppet master, sucks. He’s really the soh. 😦

  13. December 19, 2011 at 8:23 pm

    Wow, 32 of self-professed “conservatives” approve of Obama’s job performance. That’s a pretty huge figure. Factor that in with the liberals and moderates, and you have not just a victory, but a landslide.

    • December 19, 2011 at 8:31 pm

      Obviously indoctrinating another member into his Obama Youth!

    • 59 LOL
      December 19, 2011 at 8:36 pm

      I’m always fascinated by these pics of the prez and kids…especially in the oval office. I am reminded of a picture Souza took where the prez was making faces at a senator’s infant child, and the prez had just come out of a weighty Afghanistan meeting (back when the surge was being debated). Even with the entire world on his shoulders damn near everyday he still manages to make feel people special and that his entire focus for that moment is on them. So a big FU to the MSM and their president can’t connect meme.

    • December 19, 2011 at 8:41 pm

      lol the angle of that picture makes his arms and legs look super short. So another bender night for Boehner and they can’t sober him up for the vote? That guy needs to resign tomorrow. Jeez Louise, I would be so embarrassed to be a Republican right now.

    • December 19, 2011 at 8:41 pm

      The little girl is tre cute. But though I can sympathize with the president’s despair at four more years (yet shake with horror at the thought of someone else taking over) and it’s a great illustration of exhaustion, the perspective of the photo takes about six inches off the president’s height.

      In short, he looks a little beaten down, literally. And probably feels that way, too.

    • 63 Cha
      December 19, 2011 at 10:03 pm

      Chuckle!! :fistbump:

  14. December 19, 2011 at 8:39 pm

    Why Iowa may not matter to Leroy.

    CLEMSON, S.C. — Just one month before the state’s Jan. 21, 2012, presidential primary, Newt Gingrich’s popularity is increasing, yet most South Carolina voters are still unsure of who is the best GOP candidate to support.

    ~snip~

    Among respondents who had chosen or were leaning toward a candidate, the December Palmetto Poll showed Newt Gingrich (38 percent) leading the field, a noticeable surge over his third-place (10 percent) finish in the November Palmetto Poll. Mitt Romney (21 percent) stayed basically at the same level he was a month ago, and Ron Paul (10 percent) moved up from his November poll rating.

  15. 65 LOL
    December 19, 2011 at 8:39 pm

    The Cowards put off the payroll vote till tomorrow. Me thinkz Nancy better start gavel shopping

    • December 19, 2011 at 10:05 pm

      BREAKING: House Republicans Again Delay Payroll Tax Cut Vote, May Resort To Procedural Gimmicks
      By Alex Seitz-Wald on Dec 19, 2011 at 9:30 pm

      The House will most likely vote on a motion to reject the Senate bill, instead of regular up-or-down vote. That way, Republicans won’t have to outright vote against the payroll tax holiday and Boehner doesn’t risk the measure accidentally passing in case he miscounts his votes.

      UPDATE – Moments ago, Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi said she would not appoint conferees to a House-Senate conference committee if the House votes to go to a conference instead of approving the compromise Senate bill. Pelosi cited, in part, the House GOP’s use of procedural tricks to avoid an up-or-down on the Senate bill.

      http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2011/12/19/392738/breaking-house-republicans-delays-payroll-tax-cut-vote-may-resort-to-procedural-gimmicks/

  16. December 19, 2011 at 8:48 pm

    The House will not vote on the Senate payroll tax cut extension tonight, according to Rules Committee Chairman David Dreier. House Republican leaders were still trying to devise their strategy for Tuesday votes, which Dreier and others said were likely include a motion to go to conference with the Senate to negotiate the differences between the chambers.

    🙄

    • December 19, 2011 at 8:52 pm

      They really don’t realize they’ve already lost, don’t they?

    • December 19, 2011 at 8:54 pm

      They can’t get their ducks lined up.

    • 72 Bobfr (aka Our4thEstate)
      December 19, 2011 at 8:56 pm

      Full scale revolt in the #Teaparty (formerly Republican) caucus, for sure. You know that some non-teaparty GOPers realize they might as well resign if they don’t pass the hugely bi-partisan Senate bill given that Senate GOPers have been telling them loud and clear to pass it. It’s going to be a brutal year to be a GOPer candidate.

      #PRESSON

    • 73 halo
      December 19, 2011 at 9:14 pm

      He doesn’t have the votes! Part of me thinks they’re just doing this to prevent PBO from going on vacation.

      • 74 Obama Grandmama
        December 20, 2011 at 1:29 pm

        The GOP is framing this as they do not want to “kick the can down the road”. They want a year instead of a two month extension just like PBO. So they are trying to take the high ground and get the public’s support. The media usually take the GOP talking points and run with it so I’m not sure that the lazy illinformed electorate will translate that into the GOP sticking it to them.

  17. December 19, 2011 at 8:52 pm

    For people who seem concerned about Rubio:

    Hispanics would not flock to Marco Rubio as a vice presidential pick

    http://www.csmonitor.com/Commentary/Opinion/2011/1114/Hispanics-would-not-flock-to-Marco-Rubio-as-a-vice-presidential-pick

    • December 19, 2011 at 8:59 pm

      The largest Latino population is Mexican. Right after that, it’s Puerto Ricans. And third are Dominicans. None of them like my group, Cubans, of which Rubio is one, too much. Yeah, the GOP was pretty much whistling in the wind thinking that would wash.

  18. 77 desertflower
    December 19, 2011 at 8:56 pm

    Well, the way we make the second go ’round easier for PBO, is to give him grown up’s to work with in the Senate and House. Majorities in both houses…then we can see the kind of change that has been lacking since those TPR’s decided to go against the wishes of America. I want my President to be able to not have to be a damn babysitter to the whiney ass titty babies!

    • 78 Bobfr (aka Our4thEstate)
      December 19, 2011 at 8:58 pm

      Precisely df!

      Let’s out do 1936! In fact, #OutPerform1936 has a nice tweetering to it 😀

      #PRESSON

      • 79 desertflower
        December 19, 2011 at 9:03 pm

        A Twitter angel!

        • 80 Bobfr (aka Our4thEstate)
          December 19, 2011 at 10:05 pm

          😀 (don’t know how to do the ‘blush’ emoticon) Thank you … and …

          Our4thEstate Bobfr
          @SpeakerBoehner you’re a good little #Kochservant but seems some Rs awakening to the horror awaiting on 6Nov2012. Ds will #OutPerform1936 🙂

          #PRESSON

        • 81 Bobfr (aka Our4thEstate)
          December 19, 2011 at 10:11 pm

          And …

          Our4thEstate Bobfr
          @SenatorReid @NancyPelosi Suggest you adopt #OutPerform1936 as your motto for 6 Nov 2012. Just support President Obama & you’ll achieve it.

          #YesWeCanDOMoreTogether – We Must!

    • 82 nathkatun7
      December 20, 2011 at 12:22 am

      Exactly, desertflower! This is the key to making Progress! Sadly, this is what the PL and the emoprogs completely miss when they unleash their vicious attacks on the President and the Democrats in Congress instead of focusing on defeating these insane teabaggers.

  19. 83 collegekay
    December 19, 2011 at 8:59 pm

    What is going on? Why do House Republicans all of a sudden want a full year extension? I’m confused.

    • December 19, 2011 at 9:06 pm

      They’re saying that, but then they put in many political riders – Pres Obama should say “If they want the year extension, we want the year extension too – what we don’t want is the political riders they insist on – they’re poison pills. So let’s pass what we agree on – year long extension of tax cut and UEI”.

  20. December 19, 2011 at 9:01 pm

    DNC launches campaign against GOP-led voter-restriction laws
    By Ashley Lopez
    Monday, December 05, 2011 at 12:25 pm

    The Democratic National Committee launched an online campaign last week to educate voters about what the group calls efforts that aim “to restrict voting purely for partisan gain.” Late last week, national Democrats announced they would be launching a campaign responding to laws across the country that may decrease access to the polls for many for the 2012 election. The website runs through some of the most restrictive new laws in states across the country. The DNC points to laws that “target voter registration drives, cut early voting, repeal election day registration, and create citizen challenges” as the biggest culprits of voter suppression.

    ~snip~

    Democrats have also sought congressional investigations in order to address these laws. Sen. Bill Nelson, D-Fla.,requested congressional field hearings into the new laws, asking Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill., to schedule them. Nelson also sent a letter to U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder requesting that the Justice Department launch an investigation into whether the “new state voting laws resulted from collusion or an orchestrated effort to limit voter turnout.” Florida is currently waiting for a ruling on the most controversial aspects of H.B. 1355 from a court in the District of Columbia.

    http://www.americanindependent.com/206625/dnc-launches-campaign-against-gop-led-voter-restriction-laws

  21. December 19, 2011 at 9:10 pm

    Previously criticized DOE panel issues report calling for regulation of fracking
    By Ed Brayton
    Friday, November 11, 2011 at 10:56 am

    A Department of Energy advisory panel that was criticized by environmentalists for having too many members connected to the oil and gas industry has issued a second report calling for stronger regulation of hydrofracking by state and federal agencies.

    Concerted and sustained action is needed to avoid excessive environmental impacts of shale gas production and the consequent risk of public opposition to its continuation and expansion,” said members of the Energy Department’s Shale Gas Subcommittee in a draft report released today…

    The report calls on the EPA to revise a proposed rule on air emissions to include limits on methane, a potent greenhouse gas, and criticizes recent moves by the agency that have hindered efforts to get better data from the oil and gas industry, a crucial step toward improving controls.

    The report also concludes that joint federal and state efforts to ensure water quality are “not working smoothly” and urges the EPA to move unilaterally to improve oversight as it carries out a study on potential effects of hydraulic fracturing on drinking water. The NRDC is calling on President Obama to issue an executive order forcing agencies to implement the panel’s recommendations.

    ~snip~

    http://www.americanindependent.com/204913/previously-criticized-doe-panel-issues-report-calling-for-regulation-of-fracking

  22. 90 vero804
    December 19, 2011 at 9:13 pm

    I am so over this Ron Paul thing. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

    • 91 MTmarilyn
      December 19, 2011 at 9:32 pm

      I listened to just alittle of Rachel and had to turn it off. They don’t look at all that Paul believes in. It’s a false hope.

      • December 19, 2011 at 9:57 pm

        If Rachel’s embrace of Ron Paul doesn’t teach people that she’s fickle, then I don’t know what will. I won’t participate in her abusive relationship – giving people love once in a while, but alternatively beating down their spirit with the anti-Obama passive aggressive abuse.. I just don’t need that.

        • 93 donna dem 4 obama
          December 19, 2011 at 10:33 pm

          THIS!!

        • 94 nathkatun7
          December 20, 2011 at 12:29 am

          Theo, I am with you 100%! If Maddow thinks that a guy who opposes the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and Voting Rights Act of 1965, is some one progressives should support, then I have absolutely nothing to do with Maddow’s brand of progressivism.

  23. 95 desertflower
    December 19, 2011 at 9:15 pm

    The wording of Harry Reid:

    “My House colleagues should be clear on what their vote means today. If Republicans vote down the bipartisan compromise negotiated by Republican and Democratic leaders, and passed by 89 senators including 39 Republicans, their intransigence will mean that in ten days, 160 million middle class Americans will see a tax increase, over two million Americans will begin losing their unemployment benefits, and millions of senior citizens on Medicare could find it harder to receive treatment from physicians.
    “Senator McConnell and I negotiated a compromise at Speaker Boehner’s request. I will not re-open negotiations until the House follows through and passes this agreement that was negotiated by Republican leaders, and supported by 90 percent of the Senate.

    “NEGOTIATED A COMPROMISE AT SPEAKER BOEHNER’S REQUEST…” The man is incompetent…and whipped.

    • 97 nathkatun7
      December 20, 2011 at 12:39 am

      Thanks desertflower for sharing this. Speaker Boehner is not only the worst Speaker, but he is also a two faced coward. What he is doing with this tax compromise is exactly what he did with the so called grand deficit bargain agreement he reached with President Obama this summer and then completely reneged on it after the teabaggers in his caucus said “No” as usual. Boehner is not a leader. He is a follower. He makes, the otherwise despicable, Mitch McConnell look good as a leader who has some backbone.

  24. December 19, 2011 at 9:17 pm

    Marine Scott Wood died four weeks ago after suffering injuries during combat in Iraq. Before his burial, his wife dressed him in two uniforms. On the outside, Scott wore his military dress blues. Underneath, he wore the blue No. 80 jersey of Houston Texans wide receiver Andre Johnson. When Sara got an offer to go watch the Houston Texans play the Carolina Panthers on Sunday, she jumped at the opportunity. She knew her husband would have loved to have gone to Reliant Stadium to watch his beloved team play. Plus, she and Landon had never been to a game before.

    As described in a column by Tully Corcoran on FSHouston.com, the team brought Sara to the game under the pretense that she and her son would be part of a halftime ceremony in which Landon would receive a bike and Scott’s memory would be celebrated by the 71,500 in attendance. Both those things happened, but a much bigger surprise awaited.

    The team told Sara she and Landon would be receiving a custom-built, mortgage-free house in a Houston suburb. It’s courtesy Operation Finally Home, an organization that builds houses for wounded and disabled veterans or their widowed families. In its seven years of existence, the charity has built 32 homes in 32 states, all mortgage free.

    ~snip~

    http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Texans-surprise-Marine-8217-s-widow-and-son-wit?urn=nfl-wp14211

    h/t Chris Chase

  25. 102 ChristiMtl
    December 19, 2011 at 9:19 pm

    I saw that crazy Dan Choi was on Countdown…..I would assume it was about him being banned from the Manning hearing

    This tweet was interesting to me:

    simoncowart Simon Says
    The disdain with which Dan Choi just said “Commander in Chief” lost him all of my respect. Self important douche baggery. #p2 #Countdown

    If that guy, whoever he is, had respect for Dan Choi to this day (wow) but lost it today after his Countdown interview, I can just imagine how vile he was….

    I would fear for the President if he was alone in a room with that NJ……

    .

  26. 105 OkeyO
    December 19, 2011 at 9:20 pm

    Its time for you guys to twiter bomb Maddow, She is so in love with Ron Paul in that she has this clown David Weigle who says she is a ron paul guy like all college kids who are dissapionted in President Obama are now in Ron Paul side. What are this people drinking ? its just astonishing that all PL do is not go into Ron Paul other policies which are racist and undemocratic.

    • 106 ChristiMtl
      December 19, 2011 at 9:39 pm

      I couldn’t believe that the only thing she mentioned about the end of the Iraq war was RON PAUL!!

      • December 19, 2011 at 9:45 pm

        That wasn’t true. She mentioned the President’s consistency on the Iraq War and played his 2002 statement against it. There was some misinformation here that night. I really don’t take action on people’s second-hand media reports…. 🙂

        • 108 ChristiMtl
          December 19, 2011 at 9:53 pm

          I must have missed it tonight because I didn’t hear it….I’m not saying that she didn’t mention the President’s statement about the war in the past but I didn’t hear it tonight…..she is really promoting Ron Paul for some reason.

    • 109 isonprize
      December 19, 2011 at 9:47 pm

      What is Rachel Maddow smoking? Has she even paid attention to Ron Paul’s statement on DOMA

      “If I were in Congress in 1996, I would have voted for the Defense of Marriage Act, which used Congress’s constitutional authority to define what official state documents other states have to recognize under the Full Faith and Credit Clause, to ensure that no state would be forced to recognize a “same sex” marriage license issued in another state. ”

      What part of ‘he would have supported DOMA does she NOT get???? Wow, just wow. And on top of that, Ron Paul is racist, sexist and doesn’t believe in universal health care. And he’s a medical doctor!!!! WTF, Rachel?

      THIS is why I don’t watch her anymore. Whatever, Rachel..

      • December 19, 2011 at 10:03 pm

        Maybe next time President Obama will invite Chips, Benen, Deaniac and almost anyone on the blog list rather than Rachael-I don’t care if Ron Paul wants to get rid of the Civil Rights Act and Ed Schultz-don’t vote and let the teabaggers win. BTW, people are tearing Rachael a new on on Twitter.

    • December 19, 2011 at 10:16 pm

      Add this to the list…and please read his “explanation”–if you can call it that with a straight face!~

      Ron Paul one of only four House Republicans to request earmarks for 2011 budget (UPDATED)
      By Patrick Caldwell
      Wednesday, December 08, 2010 at 5:12 pm

      U.S. Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) was one of only four House Republicans to break rank from the party and request earmarks despite a Republican Conference earmark moratorium. Paul sent 41 earmark requests totaling $157,093,544 for the 2011 Fiscal Year. His largest single request was $19,500,000 for a naval training ship at the Texas Maritime Academy in Galveston, followed by a $18,126,000 to provide maintenance on the Matagorda Ship Channel.

      For Fiscal Year 2010, Paul requested 54 total earmarks, adding up to $398,460,640 in pork that the former presidential candidate sought to bring home to his district. These requests were made prior to the House Republican Conference’s voluntary ban on filing earmarks.

      ~snip~

      http://washingtonindependent.com/104609/ron-paul-one-of-only-four-house-republicans-to-request-earmarks-for-2011-budget-updated

    • 112 JoJothecat
      December 20, 2011 at 9:08 am

      The question is, what are they smoking. The majority of the RP followers are ex-LaRouche followers and GOP youth. There only interest is to make marijuana legal so they can smoke until their hearts content…nothing else. When PBO opened up questins on the WH website I could not believe the number of questions around making mariquana legal.

  27. December 19, 2011 at 9:21 pm

    49% approval, huh? Guess the end of the Iraq war doesn’t hurt. Watch his approval ratings after his State of The Union Adress. 😎

  28. 115 desertflower
    December 19, 2011 at 9:33 pm

    Anyone see that Dem presser? Tried to put it up as soon as I saw it 🙂 Chips, can you get the complete thing??

  29. 116 halo
    December 19, 2011 at 9:33 pm

    TOD fam, I don’t understand why the WH isn’t going FULL STOP countering Boner’s claim that GOP is all for a year long extension. It’s a LIE. The WH wanted a clean bill and the GOP put in poison pills on purpose so it would fail! All i saw on TV tonight were GOP talking points, Cantor on CNN lying non stop, the press corps just repeating that the GOP wants a year long extension when it was the DEMS IDEA! Where are all the Democratic surrogates??

    • 117 desertflower
      December 19, 2011 at 9:55 pm

      Well, I guess no one saw it, but Pelosi, Hoyer and Clyburn were all out in front of the press tonight (link above…it was live, so it’s over now)
      slamming the Republicans AND the media that were spewing the RW talking points.

    • December 19, 2011 at 9:59 pm

      The WH just sucks at this stuff. I pretty much gave up on winning the PR war.

      • December 19, 2011 at 10:03 pm

        Agree, BWD. Frustrating………….:(

      • 120 Britt
        December 19, 2011 at 10:04 pm

        Me too, I used to harp about the bad messaging coming out of the West Wing and Dems on Capitol Hill, but I have realized they probably can careless about messaging. Eventhough I believe they should.

      • December 19, 2011 at 10:05 pm

        The Dems were all over the TV. The Republicans in the House are refusing to bring the bill to the floor.

        • December 19, 2011 at 10:21 pm

          Some of you people really get me and sound a lot like these pl’s. If the WH don’t do it the way you think it should be done then it ain’t right. Tel you what, open a campaign office and run for something. Maybe dog catcher!

          • December 19, 2011 at 10:31 pm

            Yup. There are plenty of sites for CL’ing.

          • December 19, 2011 at 10:35 pm

            hahahahhahahhahahhahahhahahahahahahhahahahaha!!! Dear Sir, have I told you lately that I love you?

          • December 19, 2011 at 10:39 pm

            Stay classy. That was very nice.

            • December 19, 2011 at 11:01 pm

              BWD, we love you, we really do. Its just sometimes, we, well I see that you fall into that conventional wisdom trap that the PL/PUMA/Republican/Corporate Media set follows i.e. the White House’s failures with the media. I have seen time and time again the media’s hostility to anything the President does. I mean, just this week, we have had the White House Press people in a tizzy over the Press Secretary being late, saying that this hinders President Obama because they perceive the Press Secretary’s obvious annoyance with them as personal disdain. Most of the media members are upset that the President is not kissing their asses via formal dinners at the White House or calling them and only them for media interviews. The media has also repeatedly blocked coverage and ignored much of everything the President does. Last month, they essentially ignored much of the President’s foreign policy excursions, the ones that THEY WERE ON. Many were talking about Newt’s ascendant rise in the polls during President Obama’s speech to the Australian Parliament. We can’t win a P.R. war when the deck is always stacked against us with these self indulgent, coddled, thinskinned stick insects we called the media elite. In 2008, we seemed to lose every P.R. battle staged by the media, but we won the election. I’d lose a million P.R. battles if it means winning the 2012 election.

              • December 19, 2011 at 11:08 pm

                THIS!!!!
                Ps- obviously my will power isn’t very strong. 😐

              • December 19, 2011 at 11:10 pm

                So after being sent to be a dog catcher, now I’m just too blind to see the trap. The option that I may just be right here, is not even on the table.

                Yea, I’ll stop here. I love Chip too much.

                • December 19, 2011 at 11:23 pm

                  Don’t be like that Blackwaterdog. I’m just saying that I have seen the White House’s messaging through e-mails, text messages, Facebook, Twitter, mailers, etc. They are doing their part here. I see that the media seems to blunt the White House message rather than the White House failing to get the message out. Surely, you can see that.

          • 136 LunarSea
            December 19, 2011 at 11:12 pm

            Would hate to see us start doing to each other what we make fun of the other side for, ie going after each other.

            BWD is a HUGE supporter of PBO. If anyone disagrees there are ways to do it that do not diminish her concerns or feelings but rather help her to either see things differently, suggest actions to counter the negative press or scroll by recognizing this is her personal area for angst. We all have some.

            Know to distinguish between friend and foe. That’s the example our president sets. This is the atmosphere Chips Chica has provided.

            I wouldn’t be surprised if PBO doesn’t have these same concerns. Why most of his party doesn’t have his back, front and center in the media, like these worthless repugs do.

            /EOF

          • December 19, 2011 at 11:55 pm

            I AGREE WITH YOU…WHY DOES THE WHITEHOUSE ( aka )THE PRESIDENT ALWAYS HAVE TO RESPOND…THE DEMS NEED TO BE IN FRONT OF THE CAMERAS WITH ITS MESSAGE….WHEN ARE THEY GONNA DO THEIR JOBS AND STAND WITH THE PRESIDENT…FRANKLY,I WANNA SEE OTHER DEMS SPEAKING BESIDES OUR PRESIDENT…I MEAN HE DOES HAVE OTHER PRESSING ISSUES TO DEAL WITH(like No Korea).COME ON FOLKS!!!!!!

            • December 20, 2011 at 9:05 am

              THIS,,,,

              THE PRESIDENT HAS A STRATEGY…BUT I DO SO AGREE THAT IT IS LONG PAST TIME THAT THE DEMS IN THE CONGRESS TAKE A MORE PROACTIVE ROLE…ALTHO LEADER PELOSI IS ALWAYS FRONT AND CENTER…BUT THE PRESS CONFERENCE THAT THEY HELD WAS NOT PLAYED IN THE PRESS…AND IF YOU DO NOT WATCH C-SPAN,,,YOU DO NOT KNOW,,,

              I KNOW THAT THERE ARE THOSE HERE WHO ARE CRITICAL OF HOW THE PRESIDENT SOMETIMES HANDLES THESE ISSUES…BUT I HAVE FAITH IN THE PRESIDENT,,,AND WILL FOLLOW HIS LEAD,,,

              RIGHT ON RIGHT ON!!

        • December 19, 2011 at 11:10 pm

          I think that if POTUS wanted his Admin messaging and winning the daily PR war, he would have them do it. I think his style of governing is pretty similar to how he ran his campaign – just stay above the fray, and one step ahead and give the American people credit for being able to understand who is playing politics and who is watching out for them. There were many times in the campaign both against Clinton and against McCain where Obama could have easily won the message for the day but instead he stayed on course, giving the same campaign speech (for the most part) for months on end.

          So I really would find it hard to believe that POTUS doesn’t manage the message the way he wants it done. That not only being DC politics but also acrros the US and the message internationally.

      • December 20, 2011 at 8:46 am

        The white house sucks….what a nice commentary to read with my coffee,,,

    • December 19, 2011 at 11:15 pm

      There really shouldn’t be any Dems slamming Dems tonight, when the GOP have handed us a lot of material. This is all on the GOP, who have pledged to never raise taxes – on the 1%. No need to complain about Dems tonight. They need our support for this battle of wills.

  30. 145 rikyrah
    December 19, 2011 at 9:37 pm

    Dec 19, 2011 5:08pm
    Americans Elect Candidate Will Be on California Ballot

    Americans Elect, an organization trying to draft a nonpartisan presidential ticket through online voting, has achieved what it called a “major milestone” in its effort, securing access to the ballot in California, the group announced today.

    After collecting a record-breaking 1.62 million signatures, Americans Elect announced its nominee will be on the ballot in California, making the largest state in the nation’s 55 electoral votes up for grabs for an independent presidential candidate in 2012.

    “It’s a huge hurdle,” said Americans Elect Spokeswoman Ileana Wachtel. “It is probably the hardest state to get access in. Once California is accomplished I think anything could be accomplished. Any state is doable.”

    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/12/americans-elect-candidate-will-be-on-california-ballot/

    • 146 JoJothecat
      December 19, 2011 at 11:02 pm

      This smells real fishy. I wonder who is behind this. I’ve never seen anything like this since they recalled Gray Davis and the Rethugs were behind that. It’s hard to believe disgruntled dems or independents came up with this.

    • December 19, 2011 at 11:03 pm

      This is Koch funded ratfucking pure and simple. If AE were that interested purely in electoral viability why have they not gone to red states first to get on their ballots as those are rabidly partisan states? Our democracy is suffering a full-scale assault from corporate greedsters hellbent on overturning the will of the American electorate. Say buh bye to your republic.

  31. 148 rikyrah
    December 19, 2011 at 9:40 pm

    Donna Dem,

    I see I wasn’t the only person disturbed by the reporting of your conversation with these so-called independents.

    WHAT PART of the GOP is purposefully sabotaging the economy, so that they can run on it against POTUS don’t these ‘ independents’ understand?

    I mean SERIOUSLY.?

    WHAT PART of the GOP preventing the President from having all of his appointments…QUALIFIED PEOPLE…and that this HURTS the government to operate at its best….don’t they understand?

    WHAT PART of if you’re not part of the ONE PERCENT, the GOP doesn’t give a shyt about you…don’t they understand?

    WHAT PART OF it’s been HOW MANY DAYS and Orange Julius and his merry band of idiots haven’t put forth ONE JOBS BILLS don’t they understand?

    • 149 donna dem 4 obama
      December 19, 2011 at 9:58 pm

      But they don’t know about this stuff. The media doesn’t cover this stuff. We all assume that people follow this stuff like we do but the reality is that most people catch a little bit of local and network news at night. They might catch a pundit here or there but most of what they get has a Republican spin to it. Ask an average person if they know that PBO’s appointments have been prevented? They don’t have a clue. Our media is pathetic. Ask them if they know that the Repubs haven’t presented a jobs bill this year. These things make sense to us because we are all over this stuff but y’all would be surprised how many people don’t have a clue and think that what little they know is enough to make them informed citizens.

      I know its scary but I think this is why what OFA is doing by building our grassroots with the philosophy of each on teach one that will make the difference next year. I think the President’s people understand this and is doing everything it can to get their message out. They know they cannot count on the media to do their jobs. Hence, the local media interviews that are becoming a regular event for this President.

    • 151 jacquelineoboomer
      December 19, 2011 at 11:35 pm

      rikyrah – Please stop using the phrase “Orange Julius and his merry band of idiots”! It makes me laugh so hard, my stomach hurts!

      Love it.

  32. 152 jacquelineoboomer
    December 19, 2011 at 9:42 pm

    “pinkbunny92” (I think) posted this on a previous thread – remarks from the new Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff:

    http://www.nationaljournal.com/dempsey-candidate-remarks-offensive–20111218#.Tu9CwIO3E2Q.twitter

    This is absolutely major to me. The military folk are not supposed to be political. So for Gen. Dempsey to say this was, from my POV, MONUMENTAL. Finally, one of “the generals” that the damn Republicans are always talking about – as if they know what being a member of the military means – is high enough in the “organization” to be able to speak up and speak out.

    Folks, things are changing. Slowly but surely, Americans are waking up. We can start to see it in the polls. And now this. If this General is so fed up with the remarks of the candidates (who just parrot what redneck teafolk Republicans want said), that even he must speak out, well – hallelujah.

    • December 19, 2011 at 9:48 pm

      I think next year is when we’re gonna start seeing all the big guns coming out for PBO, for good governance, and for sane politics. People have been quietly doing their jobs and working behind the scenes, but I think all these people will be marshaled during the campaign.

      • 154 jacquelineoboomer
        December 19, 2011 at 11:33 pm

        Totally agree, PJ. And I’m still excited about what the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs said! Turns out he’s going to be as much overtly pro-PBO as his predecessor Adm. Mullen was! And as former SECDEF Bob Gates was.

        Can you just imagine the ground game we have to look forward to, from the President’s team? I can’t wait.

    • 156 Cha
      December 19, 2011 at 10:57 pm

      Thank you for that, JacOB! One of the big reasons, I think, the gops are spouting that is because they’re too dumb to know what to do. General Dempsey brought that to light whether he meant to or not.

  33. 158 desertflower
    December 19, 2011 at 9:52 pm

    Does the ACA have really good mental health services? I’m thinking that these folks that argue that they don’t want it, need it the most:)

    http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/tea-party-nation-wonders-if-obama-staged-bin-laden-death-gave-drone-

  34. December 19, 2011 at 9:57 pm

    It is my understanding that Cantor asked Boehner “Who’s your daddy”? and then told him that the payroll tax extension bill will NOT be brought to the floor. If this is true, 160 million Americans will see a smaller paycheck as of the first of the year. Well Cantor may not have asked Boehner the “daddy questions”, but they aren’t bringing the bill to the floor, last I heard.

  35. December 19, 2011 at 10:04 pm

    A bigger concern than the tax cut extension is the UI extension. People won’t feel the pinch of the tax cut right away, but those on unemployment insurance are hanging on by their fingernails and can’t wait weeks. This is real and immediate suffering involved here and the Republicans could care less. I hope everyone who has ever relied on UI, relies on it now, or expects they might need it in the future will start screaming and get busy pinning this fiasco on Boehner and his crew.

  36. 166 Dudette
    December 19, 2011 at 10:07 pm

    Rachel did a piece tonight about a robocall push poll icurrently running in New Hampshire asking about President Obama’s prospects v. Romney, Gingrich and Jeb Bush. None of the usual suspects are taking credit for the poll. Bush’s people insist he’s not running in 2012, Karl Rove says it’s not his group and the America Elects group ,that’s working toward putting a yet unnamed third party candidate on the ballot in most if not all 50 states, says it’s not them.

    Intriguing mystery. Of course, anyone of the group’s asked could be lying, but I wonder if maybe one of the GOP frontrunners (or perhaps even the Koch Brothers) is scouting whether Jeb Bush would make a good VP pick. Anybody think that’s too far out of the realm of possibility?

  37. December 19, 2011 at 10:17 pm

    Nancy Pelosi: 160 million Americans will pay higher taxes because @SpeakerBoehner is blocking a House vote on compromise bill 39 Senate R’s voted for.

    • 172 isonprize
      December 19, 2011 at 10:21 pm

      This should be shouted from the ROOFTOPS!!! Republicans DON”T want to cut taxes. They are NUTS!!! They will do anything to go against President Obama. Again, I give my favorite tweet…

      “If President Obama said he was in favor of breathing, Republicans would tell you to hold your breath!”

  38. December 19, 2011 at 10:17 pm

    Seen On Twitter:

    @rollcall
    Roll Call
    Pelosi: GOP like a fiancé who says “I’ll marry you on Feb. 30.’ Well, that day’s never coming.” roll.cl/s75l1i

  39. December 19, 2011 at 10:18 pm

    I see that the whinefest about WH messaging has started here too. Sheesh.

    • December 19, 2011 at 10:27 pm

      I know! It took all my will power to bypass it and not say what I really wanted to. I also noted that Ms. Hit n’ Run has finally made an appearance again since her last one the other night when she complained about the 2 month extension and disappeared.

      • 178 ChristiMtl
        December 19, 2011 at 10:33 pm

        lol lisa…same here…sometimes it’s better not to say anything.

      • 179 halo
        December 19, 2011 at 11:27 pm

        Why don’t you say it to my face then? You can be snarky all you want, Lisa. Just have the cohones to say it to my face. The GOP talking point is right on one point. A 2 month extension is pretty dumb for serious tax policy. If you can avoid it, you don’t set tax policy 2 months at a time. 1 year extension is ideal, but the GOP made it impossible to do it the clean way so this was the next best thing. But the GOP who made 1 year IMPOSSIBLE now are claiming they are for the 1 year deal. The WH media pushback today was weak. Which part of that is SO out of bounds that it took “all of your will power” to bypass it. Why don’t you say what you “REALLY” wanted to?

        Seriously, if you can’t take ANY criticism and always bristle at any opinion that’s different from yours, then you need to reevaluate what you think is a healthy discussion.

        I agree with BWD about WH messaging over the term. It’s why independents, while they vote for PBO against NewtRomney, still “disapprove” of his performance on the economy, even though WH policies benefit THEM! That is an objective observation. It’s why most people think PBO has raised their taxes. It’s why most people think PBO passed TARP. It’s why most people don’t think the stimulus saved the country froma 2nd Great Depression. It’s why most people have no idea what’s in ACA even though they agree with the provisions. It’s why they think PBO caused the deficit. And it’s maddening when they’re always behind the 8 ball like this.

        Saying this doesn’t make me or BWD any less of a supporter of PBO than you or amk. PBO always says he likes to tell people what they don’t want to hear. That good friends and supporters tell you what they think without any ill intent. Well, that’s what we’re doing and poll after poll show that WH messaging hasn’t broken through when it comes to the specifics of their economic policies as mentoined above. The AJA messaging about the “middle class” has been great but they need to push back on Boehner HARD so the public doesn’t misunderstand their position on 1 year vs. 2 month.

        • 180 halo
          December 19, 2011 at 11:36 pm

          The fact of the matter is you don’t want people voting for you just because the other side is crazy. If they do, fine. But you want people to vote for you because they think your policies are working and turned things around. This is how you build a permanent majority. This is how you build political capital to do other things PBO wants to accomplish. Every economic indicator shows that PBO saved this country and reversed the catastrohpic crisis he inherited, and yet the GOP and pundits keep REPEATING “he made it worse” and “he failed.”

          Say that enough times and low info voters will believe it and its’ why the independnets are all wishy washy and even considering voting for the idiots.

          • 181 halo
            December 19, 2011 at 11:39 pm

            It’s why the 8% unemployment rate has become the bar in the meida even though the economic data underlying the prediction has been discredited and all the economic data was WORSE than we even knew about. But because there was weak pushback from the WH it has been cemented in the minds of Americans and the media. With jsut a little aggressive messaging they could have saved themselves from a bullshit litmus test.

          • December 19, 2011 at 11:44 pm

            Hi Halo, I have to go now, just to let you know because you don’t log in (and that’s not a problem!) I won’t be able to free your comments til the morning. Night everyone.

        • December 19, 2011 at 11:37 pm

          Cool it. We are not running a competition here on who supports obama more. You & bwd made a criticism which is being questioned given the reality of 24×7 noise and lies.

        • December 19, 2011 at 11:49 pm

          Hm. Though I’ve had problems with your outbursts in the past , Halo, surprisingly, I wasn’t talking about you. Shocking that you would assume you were the target though. Also, I’m sure that neither PBO nor the Dem senators wanted a 2 month extension. Unfortunately, given what -or rather- with whom they are working, 2 months is all they could get for right now. I get the feeling that the Dems who helped to broker this deal would rather have 2 months of UEI and tax cuts for 160 million Americans with a fighting chance to battle another day, than walking away empty-handed. There’s really no reason to go off half-cocked, Halo. These are frustrating times, but perhaps it would be best if you took your frustrations out in more constructive ways like- i dont know- slamming other people on less pro-Obama blogs? As for myself, I’d rather save up my ammo for cutting down useless Repugs. We all have the same goal: re-electing PBO. I think we should spend more time figuring out how to do that than running around with our collective hair on fire. Thanks so much for engaging in the conversation.
          Ps- no one said you weren’t a PBO supporter, however, the ” he should do this or that” or the “why isnt he doing that” is getting a bit much.

          • 186 Britt
            December 20, 2011 at 12:55 am

            I guess you were talking about me Lisa. I thought it was okay to point out things that the administration needs to change. Yes, I stand by the settling the pay roll tax cut in February is a bad idea. Plus, I stand by the White House messaging not being strong. This is not high school, this should be a place were disagreements are accepted and not looked down on. How does the administration and the President grow if they are not aware of things they need to improve on!

            • December 20, 2011 at 8:21 am

              You are right, this isn’t high school. This is a safe place for PBO supporters to come and renew hope and keep abreast of what PBO is really doing to keep this country safe and to ensure a better tomorrow for all of us. People disagree all the time, however, this idea that PBO “should” or “shouldn’t” is really too much. I’m sure PBO and his advisors already know what they “should” or “shouldn’t ” do.

        • December 20, 2011 at 12:27 am

          I think there comes a point when the American electorate has to take some responsibility for keeping themselves informed. There are so many websites, means of communication, daily report outs, tweet ups, Facebook broadcasts, live reports from the President – that the White House has used and made available to the general public. And when the American electorate continues to feel they need to be spoon-fed the truth, or choose to believe the lies they’re told, when their own lives are telling them something else – then they will continue to be abused by the right and the far left. “You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make it drink”. At some point, Americans need to fight back. If the President buys a TV station and spoon-feeds the public (kind of like he’s done with whitehouse.gov) then what happens when he leaves?

          In 2010, people couldn’t be bothered. We’re still seeing poll results that show 45% of the public are choosing to be deceived, and we’ve heard today that some choose to believe in some fantasy, instead of the reality in front of them. I think the President’s strategy is deliberate. People have to care about their own lives at some point. They shouldn’t be so easily hoodwinked, and their loyalty can’t simply be tied to a personality. At some point, President Obama will leave the White House, and then there has to be something more that keeps people engaged and fighting for their lives. The information is out there – and it’s very good, very simple to digest. If people don’t know what’s happening, then it’s because they don’t care to know. Some have good reasons – children, busy jobs, etc. But people should at least care enough to see the truth for themselves. An engaged electorate cannot be deceived, but they have to want to be informed and engaged.

          The President uses the grassroots method, because he knows the power of person to person contact, and the need for people to believe the source that carries the message. Those who want to know – all of us – need to carry the message to those who are uninformed,just like Donna told us about her encounters. We can’t expect the media to do it – they’re too busy being wined and dined by Huntsman and Romney. We have to just take it to heart that we will “each one, teach one”, and just do the informing ourselves. It’s the only thing that will make this President’s legacy last past his presidency.

          • December 20, 2011 at 12:39 am

            Hear, hear. Well said Theo. Hand wringing ain’t going to cut it.

          • 190 L3
            December 20, 2011 at 9:20 am

            Truth. PBO does not have time to whisper in their ear of each American. Those of you who complain about messaging are probably really concerned about the fact that the right has an out-sized presence in the media and like the drones they are, they repeat lies over and over. While the left spends their time pummeling and diminishing PBO. So basically you’re blaming PBO because the right is mobilized and unified against him while the PL who should be defending and amplifying PBOs message the way the right does instead have chosen to only grudgingly defend PBO and that’s only when they are not fighting him.

            I just think you blame PBO for something that he and the Whitehouse alone cannot fight. There are so many forces seen and unseen that are alligned against him. Shooting the messenger is not the answer.

        • 191 Britt
          December 20, 2011 at 1:01 am

          “Seriously, if you can’t take ANY criticism and always bristle at any opinion that’s different from yours, then you need to reevaluate what you think is a healthy discussion.”

          I agree, but I don’t think this is the forum for different opinions. You’ll be labled and your support for President Obama will be questioned.

    • December 19, 2011 at 10:52 pm

      I with you on that amk. It kinda pisses me off to tell the truth.

    • December 19, 2011 at 11:06 pm

      It’s funny how people in one breath complain that the media is biased against Dems and then in the next breath, complain “why aren’t the Dems on tv/radio/whatever”?

      Umm….what?

      • December 19, 2011 at 11:47 pm

        I don’t even see a messaging problem here. All day I’ve been seeing tweets from Harry Reid, Pelosi, Hoyer and a bunch of other Dems I don’t even follow. They are being RT’ed. DWS was just on TV according to my twitter stream. The Atlantic has an article about Boehner losing control of his caucus “again”. Josh from Talking Points Memo isn’t fooled. The Washington Post isn’t fooled either. The left has actually stopped hissing at Dems and started laughing at the sheer idiocy of Repbubs. I don’t see the word cave anywhere. And when I go to check my email at Yahoo and AOL I actually have to look for news on what’s going on in the House.

        To say that the WH doesn’t care about messaging is ridiculous. Its the same as saying he doesn’t care what happens to his presidency or his policies. Would anyone here make such a claim?

  40. December 19, 2011 at 10:20 pm

    Who is leaking this stuff?

    Exclusive: Secret U.S., Taliban talks reach turning point

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/12/19/us-usa-afghanistan-idUSTRE7BI03I20111219

  41. December 19, 2011 at 10:41 pm

    ah holy moly. you guys are the greatest. but i’m so tired i think i could fall asl-

    zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    (nitey nite)

  42. 203 auni
    December 19, 2011 at 11:03 pm

    Repubs will fight to keep tax cuts for wealthy, but won’t bat an eye over ending the payroll tax cuts for the working folks. When do those Bush tax cuts for wealthy end anyway? One more year I think. If they were ended now, how much would it add to the economy?

  43. 204 Elly in Maryland
    December 19, 2011 at 11:03 pm

    I haven’t had any time today to read online but did run through the messages on this thread.
    What I was looking for was mention of a Hillary-for-prez robocall like the one I got today. I think you all must have talked about it earlier; it’s mentioned once above with a link to Balloon Juice which names Schoen/Caddell ?not sure I have the names right? as the likely suspects.
    My first reaction was just some dirty tricks from Republicans because it just sounded so unauthentic.

    • 205 AJ
      December 20, 2011 at 7:18 am

      OMG, Elly…we got one of those yesterday (Mon.) afternoon on our machine at home (we were at work at the time.)

      Couldn’t believe my ears when I heard it…

  44. 206 Ladyhawke
    December 19, 2011 at 11:04 pm

    MINORITY LEADER NANCY PELOSI

    House Democrats: GOP in House Doesn’t Want Payroll Tax Extension

    Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi and other House Democrats told reporters that they believe the House should pass the Senate version of the payroll tax bill. Rep. Pelosi (D-CA) said she did not believe House Republicans were sincere in their desire to extend the payroll tax holiday.

    http://www.c-span.org/Events/House-Democrats-GOP-in-House-Doesnt-Want-Payroll-Tax-Extension/10737426479-1/

  45. 208 desertflower
    December 19, 2011 at 11:20 pm

    Good interview with VP Biden on foreign policy (he LOVES that!)

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2011/12/18/joe-biden-on-iraq-iran-china-and-the-taliban.html

    But note the questions to him…..just sayin’

  46. December 19, 2011 at 11:24 pm

    My last post of the night. A bumper sticker I saw in the library parking lot:

    If you’re not a part of the solution, then you’re a Republican

    Good night all.

  47. December 19, 2011 at 11:28 pm

    People! I’m not going to insult anyone by asking them to be nice, promise, but please do me one tiny favor and remember everyone of us here is on the same side – so please don’t question each others’ loyalties, even if you completely disagree with what someone has to say. Argue it out, go for it, but be decent to each other.

    Thanks 😉

  48. December 19, 2011 at 11:33 pm

    You can see how wonderfully the Prez.can handle himself.”I have total confidence in him!” It’s those who oppose everything he does that I’ve got my eye on.Ya gotta watch your enemies even closer!LOL

  49. December 19, 2011 at 11:38 pm

    This is an issue that didn’t receive much attention at the time, but it’s worth mentioning again. The process is well underway to pull out all the stops with one solitary goal in mind, and you know what that is. The GOP doesn’t have credible candidates…we know that…and they know that… but whoever has the “misfortune” to be nominated will, in all likelihood, have their full support. I believe Republican voters are going to come out in a show of force next year. I could be wrong but I don’t think their fragile egos can take much more of Barack Hussein Obama routinely handing the GOP its ass on a silver platter and showing them for who they really are.

    That said, what are we going to do about this? Yes, I know about the various proposals that have been offered, and they’re good ideas. So, when are we going to begin? And why are some people feeding into the bullshit that the media is dishing out? Why are some of us getting upset about something over which we have no control? Why are we becoming obsessed with polls? Yes, they’re informative to a certain degree but I think we’re giving them way too much importance and they’re becoming a distraction from what we should be concentrating on.

    As to comments about poor messaging, the way to fix that is to start sending our own–en masse– using everything at our disposal: FaceBook, Twitter, email, fax, phone, sending articles to family, friends, and co-workers about what the President has managed to accomplish and how it benefits us. That’s the messaging we should be focusing on now. F*ck the media! Let them do what they do and in the meantime we’ll be setting the groundwork to inform as many people as possible, followed up by registration drives and making sure they actually do get out and vote! President Obama and the handful of Democrats who have chosen to stand beside him can’t do it all on their own!

    What’s it going to take for us to stop the bitching, whining, and complaining and get motivated to put on our marching boots and then put foot to GOP ass by doing what we have to in order to see that the POTUS gets a second term? What?!! The bullshit needs to stop now because there is too much at stake. We should be brainstorming and/or collaborating with other prag sites on the blogroll to determine effective plans of action and MAKE IT HAPPEN! Don’t get it twisted, I do understand that some people are worried to death and angry about what we’re being bombarded with by the GOP/teahadists on a daily basis, I really do. But please try put that energy to better use…for ALL of our sakes. Chips, if you decide to ban me from this site after this unintended rant, I understand completely. Going to eat ice cream and take a bubble bath. I’m off this…

    ‘The Response’: Step one in a conservative Christian voter mobilization drive
    By Mary Tuma
    Monday, August 22, 2011 at 5:46 pm

    Those who signed up to attend “The Response,” the all-day prayer event hosted by Gov. Rick Perry earlier this month, are now being asked to partake in an ambitious voter registration effort targeting conservative Christians, ending a months-long dance around the question of whether the event was political in nature. Reaching the constituency through pastors is a pivotal component in the effort, and Perry’s prayer event is merely step one of that goal.

    “Our mission is to get unregistered Christians registered to vote, we are nonpartisan in every way,” said Deborah Layman, a spokesperson with UiP. “We are strictly about moving a Biblical worldview to the forefront of American culture, and one way to do that is to encourage Christians to vote. There is a great untapped voice there.”

    The group broadcasts segments of influential Iowa pastor briefings, which featured a handful of Republican speakers including GOP presidential contenders Michele Bachmann and Newt Gingrich, as well as Republican Gov. Haley Barbour, former governor of Arkansas Mike Huckabee and controversial Texas-based historian David Barton. UiP repackaged the March 2011 event as “Rediscover God In America.” The briefings were said to propel Huckabee into victory during the Iowa Republican caucuses in 2008.

    ~snip~

    http://www.americanindependent.com/190261/the-response-part-one-of-a-conservative-christian-voter-mobilization-drive

  50. 217 Ashley
    December 19, 2011 at 11:52 pm

    Oh joy the Pres has got this. He handles himself so well this is true swagger.

  51. 218 jacquelineoboomer
    December 20, 2011 at 12:03 am

    I really amuse myself at times.

    A few months ago, I wasn’t even on Twitter (I’m 65 years old, for goodness sake). Now, I’m not only on it a lot every day, but I can’t stop retweeting everything I agree with … except, of course, when I alternate between that and naming every other comment a favorite.

    What’s amusing is that I follow people who agree with my political persuasion in the first place, so, OF COURSE, I agree with them. Duh.

    • December 20, 2011 at 12:43 am

      I’ve actually started following people I don’t agree with, so I can push back on their lies or confusion. I follow Gingrich, Mark Knoller,there are a couple of reporters on Romney’s bus that have started fawning over him. It takes everything I have not to unfollow them sometimes, but it’s also very satisfying to push back on their egregious nonsense. But, be warned – your blood pressure will go up.

      I draw the line on following trolls or obvious PL, though. You can’t change their minds or reach any thinking person by responding to them. That’s just a waste of time.

      • 220 jacquelineoboomer
        December 20, 2011 at 11:47 am

        You’re so right. I also follow some of the reporters (forgot about that), and love “nudging” Knoller and Russert and Todd. Ha ha ha.

  52. 221 jacquelineoboomer
    December 20, 2011 at 12:17 am

    Here’s more about the statement from Secretary Clinton about North Korea:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-16259786#TWEET47670

  53. 224 auni
    December 20, 2011 at 12:35 am

    Thanks creolechild–appreciate your “rant”. I am encourging people I know to watch the WH briefings. They sure tell the story.

  54. December 20, 2011 at 8:31 am

    Housing starts much better than expected.
    685k. Building permits also much better than expected.
    Nice.

  55. 226 overseasgranny
    December 20, 2011 at 8:42 am

    Hah! Just got my new glasses and the snow looks wonderful on here! We will not be having a white Christmas in Ireland this year. Is it time for the President to come back here yet?


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