evening all


Time: …. Admiral William McRaven speaks respectfully of Bush as Commander in Chief, saying he “made some very, very tough decisions.” About Obama, without a question to prompt him, he waxes lyrical and at length. The planning and decision-making for the bin Laden raid, he volunteers, “was really everything the American public would expect from their national leadership.”

“The President was at all times presidential,” he says. “I would contend he was the smartest guy in the room. He had leadership skills we’d expect from a guy who had 35 years in the military.”

Full article here


TPM: …. in a new poll from Public Policy Polling President Obama bests former Mitt Romney 48 percent to 42 and Newt Gingrich 50 to 43 in Virginia … Only 31 percent see Gingrich favorably against 55 percent, and it’s nearly as bad for Romney at 33 – 52.



Crikey, Fox really don’t like Romney, do they?



Jonathan Freedland (The Guardian): Whoever wrote the political rulebook needs to start rewriting it …. in the US Barack Obama is mired in horrible numbers – except for the ones showing him beating all-comers in the election now less than 11 months away. Even though the US economy is slumped in the doldrums, some of the country’s shrewdest commentators make a serious case that Obama could be heading for a landslide victory in 2012.

How to explain such a turnaround? In the United States, at least, there is one compellingly simple, two-word answer: Fox News.

…. it is Fox that is, in effect, picking the party’s nominee to face Obama next November …. If one is to flourish rather than wither in the Fox spotlight, there are several articles of faith to which one must subscribe – from refusing to believe in human-made climate change, and insisting that Christians are an embattled minority in the US, persecuted by a liberal, secular, bi-coastal elite, to believing that government regulation is always wrong, and that any attempt to tax the wealthiest people is immoral. Those who deviate are rapidly branded foreign, socialist or otherwise un-American.

….It was this process that led the former speechwriter David Frum to declare last year: “Republicans originally thought that Fox worked for us – and now we’re discovering we work for Fox.”

…. The extremism, anger, paranoia and sense of victimhood that Fox incubates are all unhealthy for the United States. But it’s inflicting particular damage on the Republican party, which could well lose a winnable election because of its supine relationship to a TV network. It turns out it is not liberals who should fear the Fox – it’s conservatives.

Full article here

243 Responses to “evening all”

  1. 5 bjw2
    December 14, 2011 at 5:54 pm

    Please let me first!

  2. 10 PoliticalJunkessa
    December 14, 2011 at 5:55 pm

    Nice mishmash, Chips! I’m feeling those Virginia numbers 😉 . We’re gonna lock down this state for PBO (and Tim Kaine) in 2012. No doubt about it.

  3. December 14, 2011 at 5:57 pm

    Yes, I’ve always viewed President Obama as a very intelligent man. Love him.

  4. 13 LOL
    December 14, 2011 at 5:59 pm

    Great article about the bin Laden raid from Marc Ambinder from a while back

    Key Quote:

    After that 2009 incident with Somali pirates—Obama’s first “3 a.m. moment,” to use the famed words of a Hillary Rodham Clinton attack ad in the 2008 presidential primaries—a relationship flourished between the young president who had never worn the uniform and this most elite of forces. Obama invited McRaven to most of his planning meetings on the Afghanistan war. The two men became chummy, according to people who know them. McRaven is a cerebral warrior, himself a DevGru SEAL and the author of a textbook on special operations.

    Source: http://www.nationaljournal.com/magazine/practicing-with-the-pirates-these-navy-seals-were-ready-for-bin-laden-mission-20110505

    But according to the press…the military hates the President, right?

    • 14 PoliticalJunkessa
      December 14, 2011 at 6:03 pm

      I love having smart people in charge of things.

      • 15 HZ
        December 14, 2011 at 11:17 pm

        Thanks LOL for this very interesting article. I concur also PJ about having smart people in charge of things, especially POB and his team. Also, Sec. Robert Gates had some wonderful remarks about serving under POB. I think we are in great company. I loved how Sec. Gates always presented himself with POB.

        I also hope that he is enjoying his retirement. Can’t wait to read his book(s) about serving under POB. I like Robert Gates. HZ

    December 14, 2011 at 5:59 pm

    NONE OF THE GOP CLOWNS WILL BE ABLE TO DEBATE PBO!..:))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))! NONE…NOTTA’….ZERO!!!!!

  6. 19 jacquelineoboomer
    December 14, 2011 at 6:02 pm

    I saw the Admiral McRaven quote earlier on Twitter. Having worked as a civilian for the Navy for 30 years and hearing a lot out said by officers of the public’s view, I can assure you no Admiral would make such a statement without meaning it. He would have given the President a very couched compliment – not discernible to the public as being low key or even fake – if he didn’t feel it wholeheartedly. That’s my take.

    I’m so glad he said this, and that it’s getting reported.

    • 20 jacquelineoboomer
      December 14, 2011 at 6:04 pm

      hmmm … make that *hearing a lot said by officers out of the public’s view*

    • December 14, 2011 at 6:58 pm

      Add this comment to the stellar 30 minute press conference that the retired general’s did last month, and the GOP must be running scared. President Obama should be proud of winning these military men over – and that’s just through solid, hard work and genuine care and respect for the troops.

      On a related note: I don’t question the President’s decisions on Afghanistan and the pace of withdrawal. After seeing how hard he’s worked to care for the troops and veterans, and how sincerely he feels a debt of gratitude for their sacrifices, it’s more evident than ever that he would never put a soldier in harm’s way, if he didn’t have to. I knew this the night he spent greeting the fallen soldiers at Dover all through the cold, windy night – and I know it more now. He’s doing the best he can with the worst situation.

      • 22 Lovepolitics2008
        December 14, 2011 at 10:20 pm

        I love your comment, theo. I feel exactly the same.

        About that press conference last month… are you talking about General Westley Clark and Richard Danzig ? I saw that one. But if you’re talking about something else, I would love to know some details because I missed it.

  7. December 14, 2011 at 6:02 pm

    Somebody please tell me what happens if you’re first. Do you get a “naughty mat”, wedgie, or cocoa butter? 😉

  8. December 14, 2011 at 6:03 pm

    Axelrod did good on Hardball!

  9. 43 bjw2
    December 14, 2011 at 6:05 pm

    It’s amazing to me that Americans have allowed Rupert Murdoch to come to this country and circumvent our democracy by way of Fox News.

    • 44 LOL
      December 14, 2011 at 6:15 pm

      It’s fear of the others. Others being minorities, people who don’t have Jesus fishes on their cars, people who believe in science, people who are more educated, etc. The thing that bugs me is that Gretchen Carlson (the blonde from the morning show) is a trained violinist that graduated from Standford..but she plays dumb so her audience can relate to her. Jon Stewart had a vicious take down of her a year or so ago. She didn’t know what the word “czar” or “ignoramus” meant. So she had to “google” it live on air. Google the word ignoramus. A Standford Grad.

      • 45 bjw2
        December 14, 2011 at 6:23 pm

        I know Ppl who watch this crap daily, they utter phrases and one sentence talking points like programmed robots.


      • December 14, 2011 at 7:01 pm

        I’ve decided that Gretchen may be able to read music, but that doesn’t mean she can read anything else, and more importantly, actually think.

      • 47 Judith Fardig
        December 14, 2011 at 11:33 pm

        Gretchen did indeed graduate from Stanford after studying abroad at Oxford, but Michele Bachmann was one of her babysitters in childhood, so maybe that explains a lot. She’s good at playing stupid and nasty. Hope it comes back to bite her!

      • 48 utaustinliberal
        December 15, 2011 at 4:40 pm

        Completely concur with your comment LOL. It’s fear of the other and those who watch FOX have fed into that BS that they even regard their neighbor as the other because they don’t look like them or have evolved beliefs. It’s just a shame.

    • December 14, 2011 at 6:17 pm

      Not just this country.

    • 50 desertflower
      December 14, 2011 at 7:06 pm

      Wouldn’t it be ironic if FOX was the very entity that brought them all crashing down? I feel a titanic shift about to happen. People are going to believe their eyes, not lies.

  10. December 14, 2011 at 6:06 pm

    Fairfax , Arlington and Alexandria Virginia are the keys to winning that state.

    • 56 donna dem 4 obama
      December 14, 2011 at 7:30 pm

      And they will be busing us here in MD there every single weekend starting around March next year. 🙂

      • 57 virginia
        December 14, 2011 at 8:09 pm

        If you’re saying Marylanders will be bussed here (to Virginia) to whip us up, you may not have to do that. We are firing up on all cylinders over here already, and have been coming together for the past 6 months. I’ve already done some voter registration, canvassing and working the subway platforms to get the 10,000 signatures needed to get the President on the Virginia ballot. So we’re gearing up.

      • December 14, 2011 at 9:32 pm

        Donna, come to PA. We’ve got a big dead center in the middle of the state and need all the help we can get. Philadelphia is often late to wake up, but when they deliver they go big time. But you’ve got to beg for every vote in the T.

        • 59 donna dem 4 obama
          December 14, 2011 at 9:52 pm

          Actually they did bus us to Philly in 2008. I didn’t go but my cousin and her best girlfriend went a couple of Saturdays just before the election so I guess (since we are solid blue here in MD) that they’ll be doing the same next year. You may look up Jackie and I’ll be there 🙂

  11. December 14, 2011 at 6:16 pm

    Lautenberg isn’t the first Democrat to use the theme of Christmas to lash-out at House Republicans’ tax cut bill this week. On Tuesday Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.) accused the GOP of pushing legislation that would poison more than 8,000 people to death as a Christmas gift to Americans.

    “They have attached a poison pill — literally, colleagues — because it will kill 8,100 more people more than would have otherwise been killed from pollution,” said Boxer, referring to the same industrial boiler provision that Lautenberg ripped.

    “They attach that to the payroll tax cut,” said Boxer, the chairwoman of the Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works. “So have that for a Christmas gift.”


    GOP scrooges.

  12. 63 AnitaW
    December 14, 2011 at 6:17 pm

    Interesting article, except I would disagree with the “winnable election”. I honestly don’t think they ever really had a chance of beating him unless they cheat.

    • 64 virginia
      December 14, 2011 at 8:11 pm

      And they WILL cheat, so we can’t let our guard down.

    • 66 Pamela
      December 14, 2011 at 10:00 pm

      Sometimes I think he is talking through in his head: winnable election, for the GOP? Are you really seeing what is going on over here, or just watching Fox, the station you so want to expose? I agree with you, AnitaW, I usually find the foreign opinion is a broader perspective, but that line really had me scratching my head.

  13. December 14, 2011 at 6:19 pm

    Usual gnashing of teeth over at TPM over Dems considering their options to extend the payroll tax and avoid a govt shutdown. All I have to offer is this comparison:

    2008: 130 million Americans voted
    2010: 80 million Americans voted

    You get the govt for which you neglect to vote.

    • 68 bjw2
      December 14, 2011 at 6:25 pm

      Amen! The majority of the complainers didn’t bother taking their behinds to the polls last year.

      • December 14, 2011 at 7:24 pm

        I cannot understand that. Our family lives in upper red-as-red Utah and we have NEVER missed an election in 48 years, no matter how hopeless it was to vote at all. What excuse did these losers have — was it to “teach Obama a lesson”? THAT certainly turned out well.

    • 71 halo
      December 14, 2011 at 6:32 pm

      Don’t tell the emoprogs. They will get nasty on you.

    • December 14, 2011 at 6:33 pm

      I love that can I borrow that?

    • 74 Britt
      December 14, 2011 at 6:35 pm

      True, but at the same time this potential decision does not reflect well on the President. When it is time for him to hit the campaign trail he will have to sell that this was a good compromise. People are upset, and Dems bending for the Republicans again is not something that people who voted in 2008 and 2010 will want to hear.

      • December 14, 2011 at 6:42 pm

        But the thing is, people didn’t vote in 2010, which is why we have the cockup we have now. They were expecting a Messianic revelation, and instead got the usual hard slogging of political work, which upset their notions. So they stayed home—aided and abetted by the “liberal” blogosphere which demanded purity over achievement—and now we have, well, Speaker Boehner, two words which should’ve never been joined together. If voters don’t want to keep getting handed shit sandwiches, they had better come out in 2012 for PBO and strong Dem majorities in both Houses.

      • December 14, 2011 at 6:46 pm

        And just so everyone knows, I’m not at all happy about this turn of events. But that’s what happens when the electorate, both through action and inaction, puts into power a political party that has no interest in governing, or working for the greater common good. They’re pure bastards, the lot of them.

        • 77 desertflower
          December 14, 2011 at 7:08 pm


          • 78 FiredUpInCA
            December 14, 2011 at 9:48 pm

            Co-sign. LL that is a well thought out, well-written assessment of the hell brought to us by misplaced message sending and business-as-usual voting patterns.

            Democrats showed up at roughly the same numbers that they did during previous midterms. The problem with that turnout level from our side is that Fox-influenced seniors showed up in higher numbers than they had in previous midterms. The relative indifference from our side, handed the majority of state legislatures over to a tea party-flavored GOP.

      • December 14, 2011 at 8:32 pm

        No one will remember this if the tax cuts get passed. Especially if the way they pay for it doesn’t cut from social programs.

    • 80 DreamChaser57
      December 14, 2011 at 9:29 pm

      Love your gravatar, very enterprising and studious look. Very telling observation. So many people don’t’ think mid-telling elections are that important. However, in times past it would have been deemed treasonous to be so obstructionist. People don’t have any excuses, but I think it’s worth noting the subversionary tactics that are being implemented to deter people from voting. In the Midwest, I know the Right did research and found that the poor, elderly, and usually Left leaning voters heavily relied on party-line voting. You go in the booth punch Democrat and leave. Now every office must be voted on, some ballots are quite long. This is just one example. People are actively working to undermine participation, in a country where political apathy is already rampant and some of the most heavily contested election may get 50% participation – it’s unconsciousable and revolting.

  14. 81 Jessica
    December 14, 2011 at 6:25 pm

    Pete Souza is releasing new official First Family portrait tomorrow at noon. Can’t wait for that.

  15. 94 halo
    December 14, 2011 at 6:29 pm


  16. 95 P
    December 14, 2011 at 6:36 pm

    I do believe deep down inside the souls of FOX news members they know none of their candidates are leading PBO among the American people……..and you know what it’s eating them alive :lol:…..nice.

  17. 97 dotster3
    December 14, 2011 at 6:44 pm

    NBC news is continuing their Newt take down again tonight. And making a big push for Ron Paul. Had multitudes of good things to say about Paul, aired his anti-war message, said college students are attracted to his candidacy—gee, I wonder why—–and saying he has a good chance to overtake Gingrich in Iowa and is a great 3rd party candidate. NBC is just desperate for a horse race—-of any kind. It looks like they’ve given up on Romney, Newt loses big to Obama so they’re squelching that candidacy, and they’re seeing a glimmer of hope with Paul now.

    • December 14, 2011 at 6:47 pm

      Except Paul loses even more hugely to PBO, and the actual campaign hasn’t even started.

    • December 14, 2011 at 6:55 pm

      Paul polls horribly out of Iowa and NH – they’re pushing Paul to kill the Gingrich campaign, knowing full well that Romney will destroy Paul in SCarolina and Florida and have the nomination sewed up by Feb 1st. Paul is a joke who would lose 70-30 in the General.

    • 100 Lovepolitics2008
      December 14, 2011 at 10:35 pm

      Maybe I’m too cynical, but could they push Ron PAUL in the hope that he will attract a significan part of the youth vote ? Many young people only know about his anti-war and his anti federal-reserve message.

  18. 102 Me4obama (@Me4obama)
    December 14, 2011 at 6:53 pm

    Twitter is very ugly now with PL speculations that has sent people into a frenzy. I wonder why we don’t wait for the last word and decision made by the President whether he is going to sign pending bills in Congress. Sigh.

    • December 14, 2011 at 7:02 pm

      Screw them. Here’s JeffersonObama:

    • 104 Britt
      December 14, 2011 at 7:13 pm

      Hopefully the White House aides come out and clear this up tonight. POTUS just issued a veto threat, so him potentially going back on what he said needs to be cleared up and explained. Harry Reid needs to explain why he might drop the surtax too.

      • 105 Britt
        December 14, 2011 at 7:15 pm

        It’s hard for Democrats to continue to talk about millionairs and billionairs paying their fair share, then they end up not having too.

        • 106 L3
          December 14, 2011 at 7:31 pm

          I asked you and Jovie on the last thread how you would get Repubs to do that which they don’t want to do. I’m interested in your ideas. What would you do if you were Reid or PBO?

          • 107 nintendowii10
            December 14, 2011 at 7:34 pm

            I personally could not answer what I would do in these circumstances, except to fight to keep the government running at all costs. That to me is more important than any short-term political gains. I’m just glad that it’s President Obama making the judgment call and not President McCain or 😯 President Palin!

            • December 14, 2011 at 7:40 pm

              Govt shuts down, the economy tanks. That’s the stark math.

            • 109 L3
              December 14, 2011 at 8:01 pm

              Thanks for responding but I was trying to get a response from the two commenters who act as though the Dems and PBO are somehow to blame for a problem created by the 2010 elections.

              PBO and the Dems, will almost always get the short end of the stick because they actually do care. Unfortunately for them and us they are dealing with elected sociopaths who don’t care. It’s like King Solomon and the two mothers claiming the same child. It was the real mother who was willing to give her child away rather than see it split in half. The other mother could care less. That’s what we’re dealing with here so we should never begrudge the decisions of PBO, Reid and the Dems because those of us who did not vote created this environment.

              • 110 jewelz
                December 14, 2011 at 8:46 pm

                It shouldn’t have to be that way. This is one time I think that democrats in Congress really have to stand their grounds and not give in to the republicans.

                • 111 L3
                  December 14, 2011 at 9:02 pm

                  So what does that mean? Maybe you don’t understand what a sociopath is or you have nothing to lose if the worse were to happen.

                  • December 14, 2011 at 9:24 pm

                    Make it plain L3. Make it plain.

                  • 113 Eleroy
                    December 15, 2011 at 7:12 am

                    They won’t answer L3 because they are shit-stirrers!!!

                    Like clockwork they come out to whip up angst and rage and hand wringing!!! Always arm-chair quarterbacking the most brilliant President ever as they sit behind their anonymity on the internet throwing out crap with zero answers on how they would deal with the issues at hand!!!

              • 114 jacquelineoboomer
                December 14, 2011 at 9:18 pm

                L3 – Very well said. Thank you for shining that light.

      • December 14, 2011 at 7:18 pm

        Where did you hear about the veto threat? Huzzah if true.

      • December 14, 2011 at 8:34 pm

        the veto wasn’t about the surtax it was about the Keystone pipeline and other poison pills. If Senate Dems can find another way to pay for the cuts he will sign it.

      • December 14, 2011 at 11:50 pm

        Britt, maybe you might want to tweet the Whitehouse and Leader Reid. Might help to clear things up for you.HZ

  19. December 14, 2011 at 7:03 pm

    New Reuters/Ipsos poll.

    (Reuters) – Newt Gingrich holds a 10-point lead in the fight for the Republican presidential nomination, but he would fare worse against President Barack Obama than Republican Mitt Romney, according to a new Reuters/Ipsos poll.

    With the first nominating contest in Iowa less than three weeks away, Gingrich leads Romney among Republican voters nationwide by 28 percent to 18 percent, the poll found.

    However, the poll raises questions about whether Gingrich — a former speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives who has shot to the top of Republican opinion polls in recent weeks — would be able to defeat Obama.

    The poll found that if the November 2012 presidential election were held today, Obama would defeat Gingrich, 51 percent to 38 percent. By contrast, Obama would defeat Romney by a narrower margin, 48 percent to 40 percent.


  20. 122 CTGirl
    December 14, 2011 at 7:11 pm

    Just saw a holiday pick of POTUS, FLOTUS and Bo on Extra … wow! Talk about beautiful!

  21. December 14, 2011 at 7:18 pm

    Via Al Giordano, I love this quote from Bob Dylan:

    ““You know, I’ve never been in TIME Magazine, and yet this hall is filled twice, you know, I’ve never been in TIME magazine, I don’t need TIME magazine and… the people that buy my records and listen to me don’t necessarily read TIME Magazine. You know the audience that subscribe to TIME Magazine, the audience of people that want to know what’s happening in the world week by week, the people that work during the day and can read it, its small, alright and it’s concise and there’s pictures in it, you know? It’s a certain class of people, its a class of people that take the magazine seriously, I mean sure I can read it, you know, I read it, I get it on the airplanes but I don’t take it seriously. If I want to find out anything, I’m not gonna read TIME magazine, I’m not gonna read Newsweek, I’m not gunna read any of these magazines, I mean cause they just got to much to lose by printing the truth.”

    – Bob Dylan, Don’t Look Back”

  22. December 14, 2011 at 7:20 pm

    First I see a bobble head on Fox blast Romney on his $10,000 bet with Perry, reasoning that it would make him appear insensitive to struggling middle and working classes, and then in the next breath he says a payroll tax cut would be bad for the middle class. A few days later they show a unemployment chart where 9.0% is lower than 8.6%, and now this Iowa caucus chart where they show Obama’s image in place Mitt Romney/s. Is this one of the methods they use to brainwash their viewers? The GOP are looking more, and more like the Communist Party each day.

  23. December 14, 2011 at 7:22 pm

    President Barack Obama and First Lady Michelle Obama arrive on the South Lawn of the White House following their trip to Fort Bragg, N.C., Dec. 14, 2011. (Official White House Photo by Chuck Kennedy)

  24. December 14, 2011 at 7:25 pm

    More from Al Giordano on Time naming “The Protester” as the person of the year:

    “This is really idiotic and shows the depths to which commercial media will reach to try and co-opt trends and ideas. The suggestion that all “protesters” are somehow the same thing – not taking into account that some are more than protesters and win their battles for change, while others are *only* protesters and therefore lose theirs – is an attempt to tell readers that protests themselves are “changing the world” (in the Time editor’s words), while masking that it’s not the protests, stupid, it’s the hard work of organizing real movements that the media doesn’t report…”

  25. 141 nintendowii10
    December 14, 2011 at 7:32 pm

    This latest pending government shutdown BS is why I am ticked off at the emoprogs and PL who told Dems and liberals not to vote last November. Now they’re whining that “Spineless Reid/Obama will cave/capitulate again.”

    Well, if you hadn’t allowed Republicans to win last year, “Spinless Reid/Obama” wouldn’t be forced to “cave/capitulate.” They are dealing with the hands they’ve been dealt, and they aren’t very good hands. I’d rather Reid/Obama “cave/capitulate” to keep the government running and take care of over 800,000 government workers than allow Republicans to shut the government down and those government workers suffer… all for political points. If anyone needs to “grow a spine,” it is NOT Obama or Reid, it’s the whining emoprogs who ALWAYS want to throw in the towel when it gets tough! 😡

    • December 14, 2011 at 7:36 pm


      That’s basically what I’ve been saying on here all afternoon. You get the govt you DON’T vote for.

    • 143 Jessica
      December 14, 2011 at 7:37 pm

      Yep, here they go again. So tired of them, that’s why we’ll never get single-payer because they give up way to freakin’ easy and let the crazies take over and then constantly complain about the crazies.

    • 144 anniebella
      December 14, 2011 at 7:45 pm

      nintendowii10, I am right with you on this matter. Because if people had come out to vote in 2010 these Republicans wouldn’t had gotten the advantage in the House that they got. Like you said the ones who should have grown a spine was the ones who didn’t go vote because they rather let the Republicans take control, well you see where that got us don’t you. This President is not out there to score political points, but he is there to try to make people lives better. He cares, the Republicans don’t. Do we want him to be like the Republicans? I’m not satisfied with the way the economy is, Obama hasn’t done what he said he would. So I’m going to send the Dems a message, okay you sent America a message, you allow those crazy radical Republicans to take control of the House. Now you expect Obama to preform miracles.

    • 145 Me4obama (@Me4obama)
      December 14, 2011 at 7:46 pm

      Also PBO had a HUGE campaign promise made today, and they are all out with Obama /dems are cavers, weak, blah blah. They need to wait for the final decision and announcement by the President.

      • 146 anniebella
        December 14, 2011 at 7:51 pm

        Just wait for Ed tonight, see what he has to say, oh boy. I can’t wait to see him explode.

      • 147 hopefruit2
        December 14, 2011 at 7:53 pm

        To HELL with those emoprogs and their nonstop bitching and whining. Yesterday it was Plan B and how Obama “set women back 100 years.” Today it’s “caver-in-chief.” Tomorrow it will be something else. These people are looking for relevancy because no one pays them attention otherwise.

        • 148 itgurl_29
          December 14, 2011 at 7:59 pm

          Exactly. The man cannot win. If he does go along with the veto, they’ll still crap on that and say he was jerking them around and needs to get his messaging straight. He cannot win.

          They live to bitch. Like you said, they went berserk a few days ago on Plan B. Now you don’t hear a word about Plan B. It’s like it never happened. They don’t actually care about Plan B. And they don’t actually care about this veto decision. All they wanna do is tear down this President. It’s time we ignore their outbursts because they are meaningless.

          • 149 Jenny
            December 14, 2011 at 8:39 pm

            The blunt truth is they have never won anything.

            Every campaign they have backed has ended up in failure.

            Dean – loss

            Lamont – loss

            Edwards – loss

            Halter – loss

            Sestek – loss

            They’re seriously a bunch of complete miserable failures.

        • December 14, 2011 at 10:18 pm

          The thing is, if they’re moaning and gnashing of teeth ushers in one of these Republicans into the Oval Office, they won’t lose a thing. Like the President said on 60 Minutes – these reporters (and PL) are part of the 1%. They stand to gain under Republican rule – just like the President.They won’t suffer under the end of Medicare,end of Social Security, end of voting rights, end of freedom for women, end of equality and fair pay. It will be the very Sharia Law that the Repubs are warning the country about. The PL have nothing to lose.

    • 151 Jenny
      December 14, 2011 at 7:53 pm

      It’s best not to pay them any attention.

      I don’t.

      Haven’t clicked on their blogs in years.

    • December 14, 2011 at 7:56 pm

      Even if Dems held the House last year, they’d still be short of the votes needed to overcome the Republican filibuster. It would’ve been great if Democrats added enough seats to have a filibuster proof majority, but it’s very, very, very rare that the party in power adds seats in a midterm year, and that was almost impossible last year given the state of the economy. So the present scenario would’ve likely happened whether or not Democrats turned out in greater numbers. I think the President is motivated by fear that expiration of the payroll tax cut and/or a government shutdown would both harm the economy at a time when the economy is so fragile, and it would hurt him politically. It’s the same logic that went into his decision to extend the Bush tax cuts last December. However, I think that waiting for the Republicans to blink first, even at the risk of a government shutdown, would’ve been worth it. The political winds are at the Democrats’ back. The public is increasingly concerned about income inequality and making the wealthy pay their share. This might be a grand opportunity to make the Republicans pay dearly. Worked for Clinton in 1995-96.

      • 153 anniebella
        December 14, 2011 at 9:18 pm

        If the middle class taxes go up, if unemployment benefits runs out, if the economy gets worse, who will suffer? I don’t think President Obama is motivated by fear but concern, real concern for the people out there who are already suffering. I get so tired of this cave or blink first B.S. For any bill to pass some kind of deal has to be worked out. I want to hear from President Obama, till then I won’t say too much. You know how we can make the wealthy pay their fair share. 2012 go vote more Democrats in the House and Senate. And re-elect President Obama. The only way the Republicans will pay dearly is to get rid of as many of them in 2012 as we can. Then we won’t have to go through crap like this every time a bill has to be pass. STOP the whinning, stop the complaining, and get prepared to get rid of Boehner and as many of these Republicans as we can get rid of. It does no one any good to sit back complaining about someone caving. Specially if we had come out to vote in 2010 like we should. President Obama told the American voters not to give the keys back to the Republicans. Do you know why I went to vote in 2010? Because I did not want the Republicans to get control of the House or the Senate, that’s why I went to vote in 2010, took my 83 year old neighbor to vote in 2010. Was I satisfied with the way the economy was, no. But I knew we didn’t get into this mess overnight and we wouldn’t get out of it over night. Was I satisfied with everything the President had done, no. Or haven’t done. But to me there was a bigger picture to look at, and that was would things be better if the Republicans get control of either House. We see now what the answer was, don’t we. So when I hear people talk about the Dems caving, I want to know did you vote in 2010? Or did you cave for the Republicans and not vote.

        • 154 JoJothecat
          December 14, 2011 at 9:32 pm

          Well I hope the Dems who stayed home, who wanted to TEACH PBO a lesson, are happy now. They let the insane have the keys to the car and are driving them, their family members, and children off the cliff.

        • December 14, 2011 at 9:51 pm

          Agree, Anniebella. The president is trying to prevent a crisis that would hurt working people and the unemployed. He will do whatever is possible and morally acceptable to him. How many times do we have to go through this before people fully trust him? It’s easy for people to tell someone else they shouldn’t blink when they are not walking in that person’s shoes. Every president has had to compromise–e v e r y o n e o f t h e m–and those who envision a compromise-free savior as president are not living in an adult world.

  26. December 14, 2011 at 7:47 pm

    Does anyone know why some of the soldiers wear a burgundy color beret and others wear the camouflage cap?

  27. 165 halo
    December 14, 2011 at 7:51 pm


    • 166 Jenny
      December 14, 2011 at 7:55 pm

      U mean they still exist?

    • 168 hopefruit2
      December 14, 2011 at 8:03 pm

      They also had (at least up to the time I checked this morning) NO POSTS on the 2.5 M young people being helped by the ACA.

      But all yesterday and before, they were busy agitating about Plan B emergency pregnancy prevention pill “setting women back 100 years” just because girls aged 16 and under require a prescription.

      • December 14, 2011 at 8:14 pm

        I just checked and there was a front page story about 2.5 million now on health insurance earlier today and a diary about the Admiral talking about POTUS being the smartest guy in the room and one about POTUS welcoming thome the troops. Nothing worth visiting though and that EVIL Joan McCarter is feverishly typing the rumors about caving on the millionaire tax. Something like THAT of course can’t wait for context or validation. I hate that place and I’m mad I even looked. 99% of all Haters dwell there.

        • 170 Jenny
          December 14, 2011 at 8:30 pm

          I don’t even understand the complaint. The millionaire surtax was never going to pass the GOP controlled House. It was intended as a talking point to blunt the GOP when they whined about “how are you going to pay for the payroll tax extension”.

          The Dems only have 191 members in the House. They would need 27 GOP votes to raise taxes. Nobody could really think 27 teabag-knuckledragging republicans would vote to raise taxes. Taxes for the rich is the entire governing principle of the GOP.

          • 171 vero804
            December 14, 2011 at 8:44 pm

            THIS. The left bloggers are so dumb that they didn’t realize this and HELP continue beating the drum for fairness and income inequality…we may not get it NOW but that’s what we’re fighting for. That’s all we can do right now. The Dems don’t have the numbers.

            • 172 Britt
              December 14, 2011 at 9:03 pm

              Democrats don’t have the numbers, but what is the point of a veto threat, and the push for millionairs to pay more, when Democrats end up walking back that talking point. The President issued a veto threat Monday, then will end up signing a bill with what the Republicans want is odd.

              • 173 vero804
                December 14, 2011 at 9:16 pm

                I’m not sure what you’re talking about. The veto threat regarding the defense bill? That’s one thing. The proposal to extend the payroll tax via a surtax on millionaires? That’s another thing.

                I believe the proposal to pay for the payroll tax by taxing millionaires was just that – a proposal. That’s where the Dems are at when it comes to this issue. Whether it would get PASSED…that was a different thing. We know we don’t have the numbers, but we have to make sure people know what we WOULD do if we could…and that’s extend middle class tax cuts by surtaxing millionaires. That’s the goal. That’s all we can do right now. Make the contrast stark by saying exactly where we stand on that issue.

                Now, turning to the defense bill. I believe a veto threat was issued on this. From what I’m reading, changes have been made that make the bill more palatable for the WH. I think the issue is b.s. and they never should have codified detainee policy the way they did, but it is what it is. Having said that, I think the veto threat was made specifically for certain things, they have been addressed, so the WH will sign it even though the overall bill is not ideal.

              • 175 Jenny
                December 14, 2011 at 10:44 pm

                The veto threat was over the pipeline, not the surtax.

                The bill will never-ever be what the republicans want, because they never wanted to extend the payroll tax holiday.

  28. December 14, 2011 at 7:55 pm

    Way OT, but chicas, I was just downtown running errands and buzzing through the shoe department at Macy’s I happened to see a shoe that looked like a cheap knock-off of Mrs. O’s. It was black but not patent leather like Mrs. O’s. The sales clerk said it’s called “Sheryl” and it’s Nine West. Didn’t see any other shoes like that but I didn’t have time to really look. Just FYI!!

  29. 178 dotster3
    December 14, 2011 at 7:58 pm

    Well, I did see some good news on twitter. Limbaugh’s ratings have dropped 30% in last 6 months. Another sign why I’m sensing a change in the wind.

  30. 182 carolyn
    December 14, 2011 at 8:17 pm

    Couldn’t happen to a more deserving piece of filth.

    • December 15, 2011 at 12:03 am

      Amen, Carolyn. I have been praying with my prayer warriors for this vile and very wicked man to be brought down. Prayers will be answered.HZ

  31. 184 desertflower
    December 14, 2011 at 8:22 pm

    What the freaking hell is wrong with this moron?

    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/12/14/santorum-obama-doesnt-deserve-credit-for-getting-bin-laden/ That was a rhetorical question.

  32. December 14, 2011 at 8:37 pm

    Anybody else on the OFA call about the end of the Iraq War? Patrick Murphy, Tammy Duckworth and 2 veterans are going to speak. Call just got started.

    • December 14, 2011 at 9:01 pm

      OMG, Tammy Duckworth is talking about PBO in such loving, respectful, admirable terms. She’s talking about all those times PBO spent with her at her bedside when she was in Walter Reed. She’s talking about the true concern he had for her instead of just a photo op. She’s talking about how hard he’s worked to go after Al Qaeda and to honor the military. She’s really speaking up for him in such strong terms. She clearly loves him dearly. Very, very moving.

      • 188 jacquelineoboomer
        December 14, 2011 at 9:09 pm

        Oh, meta, I’m so glad you’re reporting all that.

        • December 14, 2011 at 9:28 pm

          Patrick Murphy said he got chills at PBO’s speech today when he said, “welcome home.” Also went to bat for all the progress he’s made for vets. These speakers are pouring their hearts out. They also thank OFA volunteers for all the work done to re-elect PBO.

          One thing they keep returning to is how proud they are of PBO’s commitment to the very essence of the military and the way he’s carried out his duties. Beautiful acknowledgements about how consistent he’s been since he was a Senator.

          • December 14, 2011 at 9:29 pm

            OK, call’s over. I really learned a lot about Tammy Duckworth. I sure hope she wins her race.

            • December 14, 2011 at 9:32 pm

              She really contrasted how Bush, Cheney and their people would come through Walter Reed, have their photo taken and leave. The photo would then show up on some newspaper’s front page. She said Senator Obama would come and take a Polaroid, print it out, sign it and then sit down and talk with them sincerely. Ask them how they were doing, what they needed, how to improve the VA. She really bonded with him.

              • 192 taiping1
                December 14, 2011 at 11:44 pm

                He, after all, is the only community-organizer-in-chief: it’s all about hearing people’s stories and is rooted in caring.

                • December 15, 2011 at 12:11 am

                  Desertflower, Meta, and taping1 and all of our TOD family, another beautiful couple, Mark Kelly and Gabrielle Giffords book is excellent. They speak of POB in the most loving, and compassionate manner. They tell how POB came to visit Gabby etc. Oh, I better stop before I break down again. Please get the book. It is a beautiful book. Something awful told by Mark and Gabby in such a beautiful manner.

                  I highly recommend this great read. Courage, honor, honesty compassion, just a great read. HZ

            • 194 Jenny
              December 15, 2011 at 1:55 am

              She’s running against dead-beat-dad and loony-toon Joe Walsh

    • 196 vero804
      December 14, 2011 at 9:05 pm

      Why did the Dems even insert all this crap about mandating the FBI or the military to indefinitely detain anyone? I just don’t understand why we have to rewrite how things are done when it comes to fighting terrorists. This is one of those things that I believe warrants an explanation from the president or from someone in his circle. There’s gossip that Levin said he inserted the detainee stuff at the request of the WH. That seems to be bunk, but it’s going around. I just don’t know what to believe with this NDAA bill.

  33. 200 rikyrah
    December 14, 2011 at 9:15 pm

    14 Dec 2011 07:48 PM
    Mitt Romney Is Running Against Himself

    Now he’s attacking Gingrich’s wealth. Allahpundit analyzes:

    He brought up Newt’s Tiffany expenses not once but twice today, first with CBS and then again during his radio chat with Hannity this afternoon. (Audio here.) At first blush this looks like he’s pulling a tu quoque as damage control following his dopey $10,000 bet offer at the debate on Saturday night, but I don’t think he’s worried much about that. It was tin-eared, and the competition’s bound to tweak him for it, but the election won’t turn on goofy stage theatrics. What’s panicking him, I think, was Gingrich’s attack on Monday about him “bankrupting companies and laying off employees over his years at Bain.” Kennedy used that against Romney in 1994 with great success and the class-warrior-in-chief is going to hammer him relentlessly for it in the general if Mitt makes it that far.


  34. 201 eveingeorgia
    December 14, 2011 at 9:23 pm

    Chips, please put Rachel’s first segment on this site, Colonel Wilkerson just finished wiping the floor with the Republicans, even to the point of threatening to leave the Republican party!

  35. 206 dotster3
    December 14, 2011 at 9:35 pm

    I don’t know what to think of this story at the Miami Herald, but it’s disturbing. A McClatchy news investigation reveals that the Marines inflated the story for Medal of Honor winner, Dakota Meyer. Of course, they tried to bring President Obama into it too, why I have no idea because President Obama would only relate the details as were told him by the Pentagon. But after interviews under oath of those involved, they conclude that Meyer’s story was “untrue, unsubstantiated or exaggerated.” Sad and infuriating, if true.

    • December 14, 2011 at 9:46 pm

      Dakota Meyer is suing MAJOR defense contractor BAE for defamation? These guys play for keeps and don’t want to go up against a medal of honor recipient in the court of public opinion.

      Not saying the military doesn’t puff up stories that we later learn to be garbage – Lynch and Tillman of course are the most recent famous ones.

  36. December 14, 2011 at 9:37 pm

    Bon Soir everyone! Sorry I’ve been quiet today, but I’ve been preoccupied with my newest Naughty Cell Crush:

    Oh, and LL & the rest of you Chelsea fans – Looks like your Blue Boy Drogba took a pass with our Galaxy (and I think David is going to stay):

  37. 214 Pamela
    December 14, 2011 at 9:45 pm

    And God Bless You, Mr. President, and your beautiful, intelligent and lovely wife and family! Thank you,

  38. December 14, 2011 at 10:11 pm

    Sen Wyden and Rep Ryan will unveil their bi-partisan plan to “save medicare” tomorrow. They say they will not create a bill around it because of the political atmosphere, but expect to move on it in 2013. Basically it takes the Ryan approach, but there will be a floating value to the vouchers so seniors would be completely protected and not have to ever pay out of pocket – sounds like hot garbage to me and Wyden is being sucked in by ideologue Paul Ryan and Wyden is taking a big issue off the table that Dems planned on attacking on in 2012. I mean if he recognizes nothing can be moved on until 2013 – why not wait until 2013 to do anything on it – he’s giving Ryan cover and hurting Dems.

    • December 14, 2011 at 10:15 pm


      WHY? Why or why do Democrats do these hideous things? Why attach oneself to Ryan under any circumstances? Just unfreakinbelievable. I hope they get no traction. UGH.

      • 217 hopefruit2
        December 14, 2011 at 10:29 pm

        This is to provide Jon Huntsman cover for endorsing the Ryan plan.

      • December 14, 2011 at 10:34 pm

        When things are going well for the Dems in congress, they always manger to shoot themselves in the foot. Right now we have a slightly positive wind at our back and no Democrat should be sponsoring anything with Ryan.

    • 219 jacquelineoboomer
      December 14, 2011 at 10:35 pm

      As of October, I can say (in my best teafolk voice): Hands off my Medicare, Wyden! How does that sound, Ryan? Creeps.

      Also, these dorks know nothing about many seniors, who DO NOT LIKE CHANGE.

      When Bush did the prescription drug CHANGE in ’05, it caused an enormous amount of confusion for seniors. Explaining the process to them resulted in an entirely new cottage industry, and a gazillion family members got involved if needed. Not everyone needed help, of course – I’m not saying that. But I used to help my 83-year-old Mother through this stuff then, so I know that CHANGES in Medicare that require seniors to decide on new selections of coverage or whatever are not well received … even if the CHANGES are good. Medicare abuse by doctors and institutions, when that occurs, should be addressed. Do not impact seniors who expected a certain program, were and are familiar with it, and start offering them vouchers and the like. Stupid idea, totally based on greed.

      My take.

  39. 220 dotster3
    December 14, 2011 at 10:16 pm

    Cain is on as one of Barbara Walter’s “most fascinating”—-right after the “fascinating” Kardashians. He said he would like to be Sec. of Defense! Walters astutely asked if he wouldn’t have to be more familiar with the countries of the world than he appeared to be during his campaign. And —he blamed the Dems for his demise, not the ladies(said they were all lying), because he said Dems did not want a “smart, articulate, successful black man” to go against Obama. Ay yi yi.

  40. December 14, 2011 at 10:21 pm

    There seems to be some push polling being conducted now in NH about how people feel about a Jeb Bush candidacy. Seriously!! Can you imagine the desperation of the RW to be trotting out another Bush to run against PBO???????? Too rich.

  41. December 14, 2011 at 10:30 pm

    Still can’t get over that guy who shout at PBO: “Because of you”. Gave me chills.

  42. 239 symmetry11
    December 14, 2011 at 10:34 pm

    The Obama administration is expected on Thursday to announce up to $527 million in grants for transportation projects nationwide.

    The oversubscribed Tiger program awards money to states and local governments for road, bridge, rail, port and other priority infrastructure projects.


  43. 241 dotster3
    December 14, 2011 at 10:46 pm

    OMG—The Buffoon Trumpster is another of Walter’s “most fascinating”—–first, his penthouse is the ugliest, gaudiest, goldest, glitteriest, most over the top, most in poor taste place I have ever seen in my life. It is not to be believed. Every piece of furniture is gold filigreed, a horrific mess. Does he think he’s King Midas, or what? No wonder the WH turned down his offer to build a wing onto the WH——some gold lined appendage jutting out from the Rose Garden—-yikes. I think that rebuff sent him into birtherism and all his 2 yr. old tantrums against Obama. He’s making outrageous claims, as usual, saying whomever he endorses will win the Repub nomination—-because he’s so all powerful, has influence over millions. He is the biggest joke of all time.

    • December 14, 2011 at 10:54 pm

      I never thought of Barbara Walters as a serious interviewer even back to the days she coanchored with what’s his name who didn’t like her. She was always over-rated —- Oprah Winfrey is heads above her professionally. I can’t even stand to watch her with all the fawning she does as well as inserting herself into the interview.

  44. December 14, 2011 at 10:54 pm

    This showed up in my TL:

    He says he will spend $1 B to get re-elected: @BarackObama. I can match him–preserving my options.

    Like I said, this guy is a demented idiot narcissist who craves attention.

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