This debate will to a long way in deciding who the GOP nominee will be. Everybody will be out to take down Newt, if they’re successful then Romney will be the nominee. If Newt is still standing strong than he’ll likely win Iowa meaning he’s in the drivers seat for the nomination.
I predict Newt goes down in complete flames tonight.
Even if Newt doesn’t go down in this particular debate, the GOP establishment will find a way to ensure that their golden boy Romney remains the last one standing. I notice that Newt and 1% Huntsman are having a Lincoln-Douglas style debate on Monday. I’m not sure what Huntsman’s purpose is exactly. To get independent white voters to urge him to form a third party?
Newt is popular and has all the media attention. Huntsman is hoping to hitch a ride and get some of that attention in order to boost his own numbers and profile.
I mean, this guy has deployed Morning Joe, pretty much all of MSNBC, his adult daughters (Jon’sGirls2012), and others to boost his struggling polls and he still can’t get more than 1-4% in most of the polls. He’s not even going to be at tonight’s debate because he failed to clear the 5% mark.
Huntsman and Gingrich are both served best with Newt winning Iowa and Huntsman doing as well as possible in New Hampshire. A strong Newt means Romney is struggling and his supporters might look elsewhere and Huntsman is the reasonable move in those circumstances, Newt wants Huntsman to do as strong as possible in NH because every extra vote he pulls, it is very likely coming from Romney which pulls Mitt back closer to the pack and second place Newt.
I don’t think it’s so cut and dry that the GOP power brokers will ensure Romney is the nominee. It might be a case where they need to get behind the frontrunner, and if Newt is standing after tonight and then next Thursday which is the last debate before the caucus votes, all non-front runner candidates will be in desperation mode. If Newt wins Iowa, he’s very likely winning S.Carolina and winning SC means he gets a huge boost heading into Fla. So if the GOP Establishment wants to take out Newt, it has to happen in the next six days or they’ll have no choice but to rally behind him.
Not so fast sr. With the new proportional delegate system in most of the early states, less than 40% delegates will be decided by super tuesday. Anyone with money and mind can drag this game well beyond ST. You’re declaring winners too early.
Yeah it’s all proportional until April 1st and beyond – but it would have to be a complete knock down drag out like Obama/Clinton in 2008 and Republicans usually don’t have the stomach for that and try to pick a winner early. If Romney wins Iowa and NH it’s over and if Newt wins Iowa, SC and Fla it’s over. Mitt will not go quietly this time of course, so he could try and use his warchest to stick around, but the whole party machine will be out against him. Newt will also be raising crazy money at this stage, so it would be tens of millions of GOP money fighting each other – and you can bet it would be very ugly scorched earth attacks if it heads into April.
I think both paul and willard will drag this out since this is their last chance, establishment machine or not. Remember even in 2008, that religious guy whasshisname dogged mccain till the end and the party machine couldn’t do a fuck about it.
Nah, Mittens still has 2016. He can, um, nail down a consistent position or two in the interim and finally become The Inevitable One. See The Mack Daddy for the precedent.
My brother just told me today he is voting for Ron Paul in the Primary and General Election even if he is not on the ballot. I knew he was a Ron Paul fan but I was able to budge him last time around to vote for Barack Obama. He’s unbudgable this time around. My Mom loves Romney and I will try to get her to vote for Obama since she also likes Joe Biden. My other brother will vote for whomever the GOP candidate is. That gives you a picture of my family and what I am up against. The great part is all of my four grown kids and the married ones’ spouses are all Obama supporters too.
I kind of worry about Ron Paul as he has so many followers. They may take away potential Obama voters if he runs as a third party candidate and is not the GOP winner. His stands really don’t make sense but many only care about no taxes, or military and want drugs to be legal.
I hope Newt does well and Romney stumbles. I do not want to see Romney unchallenged.
Bit no…I will not watch, but I will read your comments and follow through the TOD family.
HI Donna..Cons on Twitter are saying they booed President Obama when he was introduced today. I didn’t hear that when I was watching. Did you hear anything like that while you were there?
No boos. He was cheered immensely. If there were boos I didn’t hear them and I was there for the entire event. Is the media talking about boos? Surely if it happened they would be writing about it.
I’ll be watching. I like to see them screw up and get pissed at each other. This is the first night Newt will get to stand center stage instead out with the also-rans. My guess is he’ll act like a freakin king of the debaters and pontificate us to death….or close to. đ
I read that there was some kind of doings today in Iowa and the candidates came to say a few words. But Bachmann was busy (probably getting her make up and hair done) so her husband stood in for her and talked about Obamacare. A total WTF moment in the annals of the Klown Kar central.
As a debater in high school…we had a motto: “If you can’t dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit.” Suits Newt to a tee….he’s very baffling…LOVES to hear himself talk.
I will be watching. I have watched all of them. Pretty good entertainment. I have two hopes. One that Huntsman does move up in the polls and Newt making mittens look like the royal ass he is. Count down.
Hey ds, I just sent an email to Lowes. Thanks for the tip. I just bought Campbell’s soup yesterday and it was so good. Better make my own from now on.
“Just wow, Lowes. I was thinking of switching my business to you from Home Depot, whose co-founder is staunchly against the President of the US for purely capitalistic reasons. I guess now, after finding you have joined in the discrimination of âAmericansâ whose religion is of their God-given right to choose, i.e. Muslims, I shall return to doing business with the local small businesses. Thanks for the heads up. Will never step foot in your store again. Have you even considered all the âMuslimsâ who will take their money elsewhere? Really dumb and cowardly move on your part.”
I’ve always heard Lowes was a Blue store and when I read that I was really disappointed. Thank you for contacting them, ED. Their explantion was a little sketchy via ThinkProgress, I thought.
America needs to know about the Muslims who aren’t terrorists..just like there are Christians who really follow Christ and don’t use his name to think they’re hiding their hypocrisy. They’re not.
Oh I’m definitely watching. I want to watch them tear each other apart on the stage or failing that, at least give Romney some hell. When he gets flustered, dude almost has a mental breakdown and that’s hilarious. Romney’ll most likely be going after Newt as he’s been told to punch down and stop looking as though he doesn’t want the nomination or that he’s entitled to it. Hopefully, Newt doesn’t implode and either subtly attacks Romney, or rises above the fray (as much as he can; knowing his loose loose mouth). We need Newt to do well so that he wins in Iowa, South Carolina, and Florida and makes Romney uber desperate. I want this thing to drag out until the convention floor so that establishment GOP will be uber nervous at what the teaparty delegates will do.
Yup – can’t wait! Romney will go after Mitt for sure, but I also think he’ll try to shift the topic to PBO by pushing platitudes and talking points about “needing a President who can LEAD.”
I will check in on it every now and then. I know it’s gonna be a hot mess, as per usual. I’d love to see Willard try to take Leroy down a notch, because Leroy is like a rabid raccoon when backed into a corner — he’ll do WHATEVER it takes to get out of it. Maybe wacky old Paul will provide some entertainment. I don’t expect much from the rest of the Clown Crew.
Maybe they are doing it to rally the base. Trying to send the right wing nut jobs into a frenzy at the thought of 4 more years of an African American president. Especially since the current crop of rethug candidates are not exciting the base.
I just got home right on time for the FREAK SHOW. I will watch for the first time because I want NEWT to take down Willard. Chips thanks for those lovely pictures, and if I may ask, what’s up with the Cocoa butter picture?
ROFLMAO đ đ đ đ Lisa is a serial naughty girl but “Saint” HZ! đŻ đŻ đŻ well I missed the fun, but there is always next time when it comes to our Hot President. He NEVER disappoints. đ
Chica, I hope you are not near a window. You know, because lightning has a way of striking…. đ đ
I went back and read the thread. HILARIOUS!!!
And how cool is it that Pres. Obama sat with the future Army cadets and Navy midshipmen? They will be future officers of our country and he takes his role as commander in chief very seriously. I LOVE MY PRESIDENT!!!!
HooooooT! I thought it was never going to let these fine folks regain their equilibrium! In fact, half an hour later, my iPad went for its first ever walkabout, I thought it was BROKEN! Then tech support showed me a trick to get it back online….. I repeat: HooooooT! when I saw that graphic of the butter jar!
I actually never get to watch because by the time it airs I’m asleep. NO work nor class tomorrow so I guess I’m tuning in.
And I actually prefer Shea butter. Thats just me.
OMG I am just catching up and I just read HZ’s comment about the cocoa butter legs. I’m laughing so hard that tears are streaming down my face. Who would of thought that our HZ had it in her to aspire to the naughty mat. LHM đ đ đ
Chips, I believe that you can now claim “mission accomplished” for nurturing the seeds that have made the naughty mat population growth explode and include HZ!!!
DF, I thought about having one made when Chips starting the ‘naughty mat’, and now I have my own made right here in America by our beloved and brilliant, Chipsticks. Love it.HZ
Lawd, all I keep thinking about when I think about cocoa butter is Katt William’s joke about Michelle Obama smelling like Motions hair conditioner and cocoa butter (and therefore, being a real black woman). I was gonna link a YouTube vid, but he may be entirely too much for TOD. Trust me, it was hilarious. đ
You know Lisa, the clip I found was actually him talking about then-candidate Barack Obama, and it cut off right before the Michelle joke. I know the joke so well, though. You can find the bit about Barack just by searching “Katt Williams Barack Obama.” Katt is a mess, and has a filthy mouth, so wouldn’t want to embed here. I will try googling the Michelle joke to see if I can find a clip somewhere…
Every time Rom-NO or any of the clowns utters the phrase to the effect of “we need a president who can LEAD” we will drink or donate $1 to PBO’s campaign.
This is Indeed A “beautiful family,” Newcenturywoman! I thank you so much Collegekay and Chipsticks for sharing this story. Clearly, the President has been very consistent in his devotion to improving the lives of people throughout his public service career. He has also been exemplary in his devotion to his family. What is tragic is that most Americans get their information about the President from the propaganda media, and from his haters, both on the left and the right. Most Americans are rarely exposed to stories like this one.
Thanks Chips and Collegekay. Everytime I read something about PBO from his past, it just proves how consistent he’s been all his life. He’s a wonderful and kind human being. Look at how far he’s come. I pinch myself everyday at how gosh darned lucky we are to soak in a history making Presidency such as his.
I will go with the minimum because I don’t think Santorum’s plan to create jobs merits five sentences. From listening to his number one issue, I think his plan is to fire all gay people, in both private and public jobs. This, he believes, will create millions of jobs for the deserving Christian heterosexuals.
Ron Paul’s campaign is even making in-roads among Iowa’s Christian conservative voters. Ewen found some at a Ron Paul event in Boone:
Among them was Joany Gorman, 49, mother of four and a home-schooler. Asked why she supported Paul, she pointed to the Cookbook. “The reason I support Ron Paul is because I believe Jesus Christ is the one true God,” she said. She had never heard of him before this election but will vote for him on caucus day.
But yet they are the most hateful of the bunch. “I like your Christ…I do not like your Christians..they are so unlike your Christ”. I always want to ask one of these Jesus Freaks if they believe that they will get into heaven with all the nastiness they show the less fortunate and people that are not politically aligned with them
I am sure they do LOL . Obviously they don’t read the Bible carefully. In revelation Jesus will tell many who say that they preached in his name and cast out demons to go away and calls them evil doers. He tells them that they did not cloth or feed him when he had nothing, or visit him when sick or in jail. They will ask when was he hungry, naked in jail or ill. He will say that what they have done to the least of this is what they did to him. Boy are they going to get a big surprise.
All those nasty people talking about going to heaven might end up having a rude awakening when they find themselves in hell. Especially those who lie, cheat, and hate their neighbors.
I think that this is a fair comparison! Ohio State Univ. band vs. ? Got to watch this for the incredible, meticulous precision of the OSU band. Amazing! The rest, is just funny…
In New York magazine, the clever Dan Amira captures the essence of Newt Gingrichâs windbaggeryâthe self-promoting adverb that makes the speaker look like an intellectual. Profoundly, deeply, frankly are frequently padders of Newtâs rhetoric, but by far Newtâs favorite wordâthe crutch without which he cannot walk a thought past his lipsâis fundamentally. Examining Gingrichâs speeches since 2007, Amira found 418 unique uses of fundamental or fundamentally.
First Gingrich lie of the #IowaDebate. Says under Clinton they created jobs by not raising taxes. So….how did they get the 23M jobs. Clinton did raise taxes!
“I can diagram on a map the problem we have in America today, it’s a direct line from Washington to Wall Street,” says Rick Perry. Vote Perry for a man who can find places on maps.
The Guardian’s Ewen MacAskill has spent the day in Iowa â and went to an election meeting in Des Moines organised by a veterans group:
Only Newt Gingrich, Rick Santorum and Rick Perry turned up. Michele Bachmann cancelled just 20 minutes before, maybe wanting to spend the time preparing for the debate or maybe someone told her the event was sparsely attended: she sent her husband Marcus instead.
Having spent three days in Iowa at various election events, there seems to be little enthusiasm for any of the candidates and there did not appear to be much at this event either. I sat next to a WW2 navy guy exasperated with candidates on offer, muttering “God damn” at various points made by Gingrich, Santorum and Perry.
Santorum said he had served … for eight years on the Senate armed services committee. As Santorum was leaving, the vet blocked the aisle and told him if he wanted bloodshed in Iran, he should put on a uniform and go there.
I can imagine Bachmann and Marcus in the act, you know doing the do, and Michele Bachmann is saying yes, yes, yes, and Marcus think he is laying it on good, but then he hears Michele Bachmann saying Yes, yes, I’m going to re-peal Obamacare.
Gawd, I gave to a shot. I couldn’t watch fro more than 3 minutes. Why is diame fucking sawyer pontificating instead of just asking the fucking questions ?
Bachmann also makes a naked grab for Herman Cain’s remaining 12 supporters.
Rick Santorum’s answer appears to be an attempt to win some sort of bet about who can mention the largest number of small towns in Iowa.
Diane Sawyer says that of the candidates only Romney answered the question in terms of jobs created in the first four years of their presidency. Santorum jumps in to blather on about petri dishes, something.
Mitt Romney is looking particularly tanned tonight. He reels off a seven-point plan for creating jobs, which sound like they would create about seven jobs total.
Ron Paul is next up, who embarks on a “Ludwig von Mises for dummies” economics lecture. It’s the Federal Reserves fault, basically.
“I can diagram on a map the problem we have in America today, it’s a direct line from Washington to Wall Street,” says Rick Perry. Vote Perry for a man who can find places on maps.
He is a weasel….that place is stocked with Ron Paulites. What the fark was that rambling monologue Paul just delivered? Wait a minute Bachmann was a 5 yr old businesswoman—was she hustling crayons and lollipops in Kindergarten?
I know, Chips, my entire solar plexus gets cramps when I see him in live footage, I can barely handle still shots of him… And I seldom am negatively affected by anyone! He is such a phoney!
I guess the basis of my reaction is that I simply cannot believe the greater majority of people don’t see right through this non-entity. It saddens me that some seem to take him seriously.
I know! Mitt has such a fake forced smile while his eyes are saying get me outta here. I would freak out if Mitt were standing right next to me with that gaze and smile. I know Rick Perry mentioned it once and I thought for once Perry has said something that makes sense.
Me too, Chips. And, I have never heard him actually speak..just his pic and his quotes are enough to send me scrolling really fast so I don’t have to look at his mitt.
Feel like Perry’s becoming a sort of Rosencrantz and Guildenstern type figure in this debate play. Comic relief, vaguely ridiculous, sort of sinister but not much.
Halo, I’m still assuming Willard will win the nomination …. if he does, these Newt soundbites are positively delicious, the 2012 ads are going to be soooooooooooooo easy!!
he did have a good come back. Romney said, well if I would have made it to the NFL I would have been a professional football player but I didn’t get to do that either. (or something to that effect)
Let’s be candid the only reason you didn’t become a career politician is you lost to Teddy Kennedy in 1994.
Ouch! “Just a second, just a second,” wibbles Romney. But Gingrich keeps going and smacks down all of Romney’s points. And wins a big round of applause.
If this was boxing fight the ref would have stepped in by now.
In his response, Romney falls back on babbling about numbers.
“With regards to the idea that if I had beaten Ted Kennedy I’d have been a career politician, that’s probably true,” says Romney, making a joke that if he had been good enough at football he would have been in the NFL.
But that “that’s probably true” line is just made for an anti-Romney attack ad.
So, asks George Stephanopoulos, “Who is the most conservative of you all?” (I paraphrase.)
Offered the chance to take a shot at Newt Gingrich, Mitt Romney flops and opts to attack Barack Obama instead. But then: “Speaker Gingrich and I have a lot of places where we disagree…” says Romney. Why don’t you name them? asks Stephanopoulos. “Er…” pauses Romney uncomfortably, before the software kicks in and he names some batty idea of Gingrich’s about building bases on the moon.
In her dreams; Michelle Bachmann is delusional. Excuse me, did Mitt just flip again on Israel? Sorry , Mitt Newt is a not a bonafide historian until he corrects the history of the Palestinians. News flash: Reagan got a little help; Gorbachev wanted to dismantle the Soviet Union anyhow due to it’s weakness. But, you can’t tell them to stop paying homage to a president who had dementia so badly , his wife would whisper in his ear during his speeches so he could remember. He’s their Patron Saint.
I mentioned this on another thread but Michele Bachman looks ill – like she just recovered from a bout with the flu or is extremely tired and/or depressed.
Can someone write instructions again on how to change the background? The white on black is increasingly brutal on the eyes. I’m in Explorer on FIOS. Thanks.
Okay, thanks for asking Chiipsticks. I’m really enjoying the comments — much more fun than watching the claptrap coming out of the freaks on the stage. Thank you everybody!
Is it me or is tonight like a Dem debate of yore in that the candidates are tearing each other apart? The Dem debates of 2008 were nowhere near as bloody. I love it.
Now Rick Santorum attacks Michele Bachmann â and no one cares. A big hook should come out and whip Santorum out of there.
9.38pm: Now its Rick Perry versus Mitt Romney going at it â with at some point in there Mitt Romney offering to make a $10,000 bet with Perry over something Romney may or may not have said about healthcare. “I’m not in the gambling trade,” says Perry. Also, $10,000 to Romney â assets about $250m â is like a fiver to you or me.
If you want an image of this debate so far, think of the final scenes of Reservoir Dogs, with all the principals aiming guns at each other. And you know that everyone is going to get a lead injection.
Now you are helping me want to go back in and watch the rest of the debate. I couldn’t take any more Obama bashing when I turned it off but would love to watch them bash one another.
OK so Rick Santorum has made a convincing case why he’s a better candidate … than Michele Bachmann. Whee.
Ad break! But not before Diane Sawyer gives the candidates a more-in-disapointment-than-in-anger telling off for breaking the rules.
Here’s an ad for Fred Thompson, the comedy candidate of the 2008 GOP race. Now he’s touting “reverse mortgages”. Rick Santorum, that could be you in four years time.
9.38pm: Now its Rick Perry versus Mitt Romney going at it â with at some point in there Mitt Romney offering to make a $10,000 bet with Perry over something Romney may or may not have said about healthcare. “I’m not in the gambling trade,” says Perry. Also, $10,000 to Romney â assets about $250m â is like a fiver to you or me.
Yes, I am watching the freak show. It is a twofer to-nite; SNL & the GOP Freak Show. Wooow. Who wants to wager?
1. Perry will have 3 brain freezes.
2. Romney will grow a third head.
3.Micheal Bachmann will have her usual orgamistic rant by getting stuck on President Obama’s name.
4.Newt will get his history wrong again including his own personal history. By the way, the Palestinians were in the Ottoman before the Ottoman Empire was the Ottoman Empire. It was the Palestinians land which was invade by the Ottomans. A black Muslim, I can’t remember his name, in 641 AD conquered Egypt. After the death of Muhameed, the eruption came about in Middle East, India, and even Spain where the Jewish people were. The Spanish people re- conquered their land in the 1400s; and kicked the Jewish people, & Arabs out .
5. Santorum will get frothy at the mouth .
6. Ron Paul will shake his withered little finger at the Feds and the Military Industrial Compound Then he’ll give that crazy talk about how good it used to be in the 18th century.
Good to see them beat up on the fat, lying, gaseous wind bag, & fake historian, Newt Gingrich.
Thus far Micchell Bachman has displayed her OCD. Gawd, taking 400, 000 thousand brainwashed people to the Capital is really nothing to tout. She should tout what she for her district while in Congress . Opps, she can’t. She didn’t do anything. She has not mentioned President Obama’s name; yet!!!
Can’t believe Newt is standing there lying about forgiveness and rehabilation. He doesn’t want to talk about the child support he didn’t pay. I wonder if his kids forgive him?
Bob just tweeted this: So, Newt’s a grandfather – wonder how many of his grand children he actually knows given his philandering. #ZEROGOP2012 #iowadebate
Oh snap!. Bob. Good one. *drops mic and walks away* đ
Our4thEstate Bobfr
If you hear a Republican not use God as an excuse for being a liar, a philanderer, & thief you’ll know the LSD worked & you’re trippn …
And everyone named Newton Leroy Gingrich is a nasty, bigoted liar. The man is a destructive menace who has no business being taken seriously by any political party. The GOP should hang its head in shame if that feeling were still possible for a party that has lost all sense and reason.
Gingrich is a scumbag. How does one callously call the Palestinians an invented people and say that pretty much all of them are terrorists! And the audience members actually applauded. Sick!
The thing is that I think this will shore up Jewish support for PBO. Most Jews will see that a Gingrich presidency will mean a general war in the ME, and Israel being either swamped or resorting to nuking everyone around them. Which, you know, most American Jews don’t want.
Martin S. Indyk, a former United States ambassador to Israel, said that if Mr. Gingrich believed that Palestinians did not have a right to an independent state, âas implied in his language, then heâs not pro-Israel at all.â
âBecause the government of Israel under Prime Minister Netanyahu supports a two-state solution,â Mr. Indyk said. âThe people of Israel â an overwhelming majority of them â support a two-state solution, in which there would be an independent Palestinian state living in peace alongside a secure state of Israel.â
You are absolutely right, Liberal Librarian! I don’t think the majority of Jewish people appreciate being pandered to as if they were idiots! Pandering may work for low information teabaggers; but I doubt that it would work for the majority of highly informed Jewish Americans.
We’re born human, into our respective countries, which are inventions that pre-date us. So arguably, all people are an invented people. I would like to hear Native Americans’ perspective on Gingrich’s notion about which people have legitimate claims on a land and which people have invented claims on a land.
Bravo, FiredUpInCA! I think Gingrich should be asked this question: Who are the legitimate owners of America both North and South? Surely not the English, the Scotch, the Irish, the Italians, the Germans, the Polish, the Norwegians, the French, the Spanish,the Portuguese, and the Africans. More importantly, do Native Americans who adopted Catholicism, and speak Spanish and French, or adopted various protestant sects, and speak English, cease to be Native Americans? For a person who claims to be a historian, Newt Gingrich shows that he knows very little about the history of West Asia (Middle East). Yet, he is held up as the intellectual of the Republican party!
The moderators tee up Perry, Santorum and Paul â all monogamously married for a million years â to answer first. Sadly no one wants to mention the Three Mrs Gingrichs.
Ron Paul manages to turn the question into fidelity to the Constitution, and wins applause.
Oh my goodness. For the first time, I’ve spent some time actually watching this Repub car wreck, and I quite literally cannot believe how horrendous these “people” are. And Diane Sawyer and Georgie-poorgie let them just ramble on incoherently with no challenge whatsoever?!?
I used to think I would never see anything so ridiculous as George W. Bush in a debate again, and yet these evil people are far beyond Shrub on the insanity scale. Bob Dole used to seem like a moron to me, but he seems like Einstein compared to these mental midgets, and people are clapping. Jeezus…I’m in shock. Literally.
It’s spectacularly awful bonkers, isn’t it? Most of the time I don’t know whether to laugh or cry, but it is seriously depressing that this is the best the GOP can offer America – and the world.
The world is listening to these people. They’re all seriously embarrassing the United States, the entire country. They should be dumped in a deep lake somewhere.
Don’t worry Joan, I honestly think most of the world knows the difference between these nutjobs and the smart Americans – like the President đ
I keep thinking of when Bush last visited Ireland – it was the biggest security operation in the history of the state, he wasn’t allowed anywhere near the people because of the anti-war protests.
You guys are killing me. It’s much more fun and way easier on the nervous system to get the gist of it all here, so I’m super grateful to everyone who has the stomach to sit through it. Can anyone remember a more hopeless group of presidential candidates? Empty-headed, deluded, clueless, nasty, repugnant–the whole bunch of them.
Romney says: “I think the Speaker [Gingrich] made a mistake saying the Palestinans were an invented people.” Gingrich violently shakes his head. Some chins wobble.
How the heck is this clown bunch going to answer a question of personal financial struggle? Bachmann banked over $1M last year. Gingrich has raked in over $1.6M from Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae and has a revolving account at Tiffany’s. Romney just added acres and acres of space in his CA mansion.
Romney comes back at him, and drops the mention that he worked with Netanyahu at Boston Consulting. “I’m not a bomb-thrower, rhetorically or literally,” says Romney. Gingrich smiles like someone who has been offered a large plate of shit to eat.
That was Romney’s best play: subtle but underlined his differences with Gingrich: that he’s got a big mouth who says dumb things and then claims he’s just got the big ideas.
That’ll be Newt’s downfall, either in the primaries or the general. He says shit that scares normal people.
The Guardian’s Chris McGreal â a former Jerusalem correspondent â disputes Gingrich’s fanciful Palestinian textbook claim:
The Gingrich Palestinian textbook claim is rubbish. Even the Israelis own official criticisms of the books mostly centre on questions of recognition of Israel.
This corrupt to the core mofo will start another ME war, if elected. You betcha.
I have never seen a more pathetic bunch of losers. The thought of any one of them being the leader of the free world is absolutely horrifying. The implosion of the Republican Party continues at breakneck speed.
You guys are too much! I should know better not to drink anything when I am on this sight. My computer and desk always pay the price of my beverage drinking. On the other hand, I truly appreciate the humor. The only way to keep sane listening to these GOP characters is to LOL!
Romney pretends that he understands the middleclass. So much so that he made a $10K bet with Rick Perry. He fucking dodged the war and pretends that he faced financial struggle while helping poor people in his church. His rich daddy paid for his cushy way through life and this fucker pretends to be the 99%. What utter insulting hogwash.
Asked about their personal financial struggles, multimillionaire Mitt Romney says:
I didn’t grow up poor. If you’re looking for someone with that background I’m not that person.
A glitch in the Matrix there: that’s Romney’s stock response to many questions â “I’m not X, if you’re looking for X I’m not that person â and he clicked on the wrong option there. Although he did go on to say that his father had been poor, so that’s ok.
Ron Paul reveals that he got through medical school thanks to his wife working. But somehow moves his response onto inflation being caused by printing money. He’s smooth. Very smooth.
Now we are back on the whole individual mandate for healthcare thing, and Mitt Romney gets to defend himself for the 9,000th time in this election campaign.
Basically, according to Romney: the individual mandate was brilliant for Massachusetts, but for America it is an economy-wrecking hellhole. Got it?
Now it’s Newt Gingrich, who has a well-worn line of snake oil on this subject.
“I was at a pharmacy here in Iowa â I have a cough,” confides Diane Sawyer. So that’s how she does research.
Ron Paul lays into both Romney and Gingrich for having to explain away their positions. Gets big applause.
These people in the audience have no conscience. They’re heartless scumbags of the worst order. They just applauded Ron Paul’s statement that we shouldn’t help poor children in need and shouldn’t help people who desperately need healthcare but due to the economy and unforeseen circumstances can’t afford healthcare.
And when Obama wins reelection and the Dems destroy the GOP brand for a generation and healthcare gradually morphs into single payer because the insurance companies can’t make a profit under the ACA, these same people will holler when another conservative comes along wanting to cut universal health care in some fashion because it’s become a “right”.
“Theyâre heartless scumbags of the worst order.”
This is not exaggeration. It’s a factual statement. Proven over and over again. They are UnAmerican, based upon the Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution.
I’m beginning to look at all Republicans with great suspicion, as though they’re all conscienceless and heartless, which is depressing since I’m surrounded with them in this small Utah valley. I think it’s something like 98% Republican up here. Much worse than the Salt Lake area.
Ooof. Hope we can help you keep the faith. I too have felt that way about all modern-day Repubs. The whole Iraq Invasion and Occupation and their nonchalant attitude about the hundreds of thousands of innocent citizen deaths there, many women and children, was the last straw for me. These people are missing a piece of their souls. Everything they’ve done since is just further proof. Evil personified.
Well Bonkers, we’ve lived here for nearly 48 years and still put out our Democratic signs (we live on a hill facing a main road through the valley). Sites like TOD, as you say, help us tremendously to keep the faith, knowing we aren’t alone. And since we arrived here we’ve voted in every state and national election. We never helped Utah elect any of our Democratic candidates, but we still plug along, making jokes when we leave the polling place, hailing the few fellow Democrats we meet there as though living in a foreign country. and discovering an ex-patriot.
We bought a small farm as soon as we came here and Alan was invited to come and teach in his old alma mater, so we’re sort of stuck here. The way we vote for good Democrats in other states is to contribute to their campaigns. It makes us feel a little less useless.
How insane is Ron Paul? He really proves this adage right: When you scratch a libertarian; you get a nut. He’s like that moronic uncle at the table who spews drug fueled convoluted crap.
thanks, Joan and PJ…..crazy, Huh? hoping he can get something really soon.Will cross my fingers…last time he lost his job for 8 months. Nearly killed us….hopefully, this won’t be long. Right before Christmas is hard.
I am really sorry to hear about your hubby! One of the most devastating experiences in any one’s life is loosing a job. To do so before Christmas is even more cruel. I pray that your family will find strength to endure. Hopefully he will soon find a job.
After a very long ad break we are now in the wrap-up phase, with the candidates being asked some anodyne question about what they have learned from the other contenders. Yawno.
Interesting: Romney and Perry are sucking up to Ron Paul in this segment, making a play for his supporters there. That’s a first.
But that’s not the biggest suck up. That award goes to Newt Gingrich, never knowingly under-sucked: “Governor Terry Bransted is my role model,” says Newt, in the most outrageous Iowa caucus vote-grabber of the night.
Newt is a habitual liar. He has a lot of experience making up shit when he was cheating on his wives. He perfected looking in your face and lie like hell. And then had the nerve to dare you to question him.
Disagree completely. His opponents and the fluffers who are called moderators, just let his nonsense slide, and not only that, continuously promote this lie that Gangrene is “intellectual” and a “good debater.” He’s not at all. Me and most people who read here regularly could dismantle most everything he says in a minute or two. President Barack Hussein Obama will mop the floor with this dumbass, if Gangrene is the actual nominee, which I still don’t think will happen.
I do not believe that POB will have to ‘be on his toes more with Newt than Romney’; I think the American voters need to stand up on their feet and say, “We are not buying your shit Newt and Romney. Not this time, not ever.”HZ
All anyone is going to remember from this debate is Romney making a buffoonish out of touch $10,000 bet. He really shot himself in the foot with that disgusting bet. This debate was supposed to be an opportunity to sink Newt but they all pretty much jumped on Romney and he came out as one of the losers in this clown debate. Gingrich solidified his front runner status.
yup, looks like it. pretty pathetic that these clowns let one of the most ethically challenged (both personally and politically) corrupt bastid get away with ti all.
If it is true that Newtler did win: I had the stomach last week to watch Shields and Brooks, who agreed if Gingrinch did win the nomination, PBO would “coast” to re-election.
So, after the debate, abc really really building up Newt as the inevitable nominee.
Scary stuff!
We should be able to neat him. I know tge Press will have a field day with him.
Holy shit. This Iowa Gov Branstad is a complete moran! President Obama has driven this country into debt?!? President Obama is shackling businesses?!? Wow. Terry, dude, how do you explain the NYSE having it’s greatest gains EVER during President Obama’s tenure? Unemployment would be down to roughly 7% if it wasn’t for all the Teebagger governors laying off so many public sector employees, since private sector employment is up big in the last year or so. And the interviewer says nothing….
This debate will to a long way in deciding who the GOP nominee will be. Everybody will be out to take down Newt, if they’re successful then Romney will be the nominee. If Newt is still standing strong than he’ll likely win Iowa meaning he’s in the drivers seat for the nomination.
I predict Newt goes down in complete flames tonight.
Newt is bombastic and has no control.
Even if Newt doesn’t go down in this particular debate, the GOP establishment will find a way to ensure that their golden boy Romney remains the last one standing. I notice that Newt and 1% Huntsman are having a Lincoln-Douglas style debate on Monday. I’m not sure what Huntsman’s purpose is exactly. To get independent white voters to urge him to form a third party?
Newt is popular and has all the media attention. Huntsman is hoping to hitch a ride and get some of that attention in order to boost his own numbers and profile.
STILL?
I mean, this guy has deployed Morning Joe, pretty much all of MSNBC, his adult daughters (Jon’sGirls2012), and others to boost his struggling polls and he still can’t get more than 1-4% in most of the polls. He’s not even going to be at tonight’s debate because he failed to clear the 5% mark.
what 4% ?
LOL! I’m trying to be generous. However he has scraped 4% in a small minority of polls – even as high as 11% in New Hampshire.
Doesn’t want his daddy’s money to go to waste.
Huntsman and Gingrich are both served best with Newt winning Iowa and Huntsman doing as well as possible in New Hampshire. A strong Newt means Romney is struggling and his supporters might look elsewhere and Huntsman is the reasonable move in those circumstances, Newt wants Huntsman to do as strong as possible in NH because every extra vote he pulls, it is very likely coming from Romney which pulls Mitt back closer to the pack and second place Newt.
I don’t think it’s so cut and dry that the GOP power brokers will ensure Romney is the nominee. It might be a case where they need to get behind the frontrunner, and if Newt is standing after tonight and then next Thursday which is the last debate before the caucus votes, all non-front runner candidates will be in desperation mode. If Newt wins Iowa, he’s very likely winning S.Carolina and winning SC means he gets a huge boost heading into Fla. So if the GOP Establishment wants to take out Newt, it has to happen in the next six days or they’ll have no choice but to rally behind him.
Not so fast sr. With the new proportional delegate system in most of the early states, less than 40% delegates will be decided by super tuesday. Anyone with money and mind can drag this game well beyond ST. You’re declaring winners too early.
Yeah it’s all proportional until April 1st and beyond – but it would have to be a complete knock down drag out like Obama/Clinton in 2008 and Republicans usually don’t have the stomach for that and try to pick a winner early. If Romney wins Iowa and NH it’s over and if Newt wins Iowa, SC and Fla it’s over. Mitt will not go quietly this time of course, so he could try and use his warchest to stick around, but the whole party machine will be out against him. Newt will also be raising crazy money at this stage, so it would be tens of millions of GOP money fighting each other – and you can bet it would be very ugly scorched earth attacks if it heads into April.
I think both paul and willard will drag this out since this is their last chance, establishment machine or not. Remember even in 2008, that religious guy whasshisname dogged mccain till the end and the party machine couldn’t do a fuck about it.
Nah, Mittens still has 2016. He can, um, nail down a consistent position or two in the interim and finally become The Inevitable One. See The Mack Daddy for the precedent.
My brother just told me today he is voting for Ron Paul in the Primary and General Election even if he is not on the ballot. I knew he was a Ron Paul fan but I was able to budge him last time around to vote for Barack Obama. He’s unbudgable this time around. My Mom loves Romney and I will try to get her to vote for Obama since she also likes Joe Biden. My other brother will vote for whomever the GOP candidate is. That gives you a picture of my family and what I am up against. The great part is all of my four grown kids and the married ones’ spouses are all Obama supporters too.
Ok WHO organized this one on one ?
I hear paulbots could play spoiler for both newt and willard in IA and he could win there.
I kind of worry about Ron Paul as he has so many followers. They may take away potential Obama voters if he runs as a third party candidate and is not the GOP winner. His stands really don’t make sense but many only care about no taxes, or military and want drugs to be legal.
I hope Newt does well and Romney stumbles. I do not want to see Romney unchallenged.
Bit no…I will not watch, but I will read your comments and follow through the TOD family.
I’m with you Carla. I will not watch, but I will enjoy reading the comments from TODers!
I’m with you and Carla, too.
TOD Family that was a fantastic game and was well worth me freezing my tookus off. Here is the part that I couldn’t see from the stands.
http://www.cbssports.com/video/player/play/collegefootball/AxFt8fsGpqwU_ZkEWEwuHZCKE1hx4eYw
Welcome back Donna! I hope, in time, your, um, tookus will defrost!
I hope you all got to see the pageantry of the march on of the cadets and the midshipmen before the game. It really is something incredible to see.
HI Donna..Cons on Twitter are saying they booed President Obama when he was introduced today. I didn’t hear that when I was watching. Did you hear anything like that while you were there?
No boos. He was cheered immensely. If there were boos I didn’t hear them and I was there for the entire event. Is the media talking about boos? Surely if it happened they would be writing about it.
Oh thank you. WE don’t need anymore of the booing bull crap.
These GOP folks are so desperate right now that they will say ANYTHING to make PBO look bad.
thanks donna! I’ve been looking for this đ
Verne gets it – using analogy of Auburn’s use of PBO headshot from the sideline = the play is in the middle or a little to the left.
thanks for the link to the clips. I really enjoyed the President’s commentary and greatly appreciate the respect the CBS commentators showed the POTUS
Verne is always great with the Prez. Nice interview.
I’ll be watching. I like to see them screw up and get pissed at each other. This is the first night Newt will get to stand center stage instead out with the also-rans. My guess is he’ll act like a freakin king of the debaters and pontificate us to death….or close to. đ
I read that there was some kind of doings today in Iowa and the candidates came to say a few words. But Bachmann was busy (probably getting her make up and hair done) so her husband stood in for her and talked about Obamacare. A total WTF moment in the annals of the Klown Kar central.
Oh my gosh, too silly!
As a debater in high school…we had a motto: “If you can’t dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit.” Suits Newt to a tee….he’s very baffling…LOVES to hear himself talk.
What network hosting the freak show?
Hi Mae, it’s on ABC:
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/video/iowa-republican-presidential-debate-15097494
Hey Chips, i’d rather the cocoa butter if i had a nice round booty to rub it on. Oops, i guess i need a naughty mat now. đł
You know Yardarm, there’s no naughty mat substantial enough to contain your naughtiness. You’re a disgrace …. and that’s why I love you!
ABC with George S.
Mae, it is on ABC. 9 EST.
ooo, is this the first TOD poll ?
I voted, well….
me too!
HEY! that’s my brand of cocoa butter!!!! How did you know???!!?!????
I’m gonna take a quick nap now so I can be fresh with my popcorn for tonight’s debate….I hear it’s gonna be a dooozy!
Don’t sleep too long..the show is in less than an hr.
That is mine as well, GGail. Let us make it our TOD family’s brand.HZ
I’ll peek in from time to time on the live tweeting. Otherwise I’ll be catching up on Misfits. On Season 2 Ep. 2 now.
I will be watching. I have watched all of them. Pretty good entertainment. I have two hopes. One that Huntsman does move up in the polls and Newt making mittens look like the royal ass he is. Count down.
That was a LOL moment for me…took the survey, scrolled down a little more, and laughed out loud!
I’ll be with richard adams of guardian.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/richard-adams-blog/2011/dec/10/gop-debate-iowa-gingrich-romney
that cocoa butter picture cracked me up
If ThinkProgress live blogs tonight, I like their analysis. They back up with FACTS what the liars say on stage. đ
http://thinkprogress.org/
Hey ds, I just sent an email to Lowes. Thanks for the tip. I just bought Campbell’s soup yesterday and it was so good. Better make my own from now on.
“Just wow, Lowes. I was thinking of switching my business to you from Home Depot, whose co-founder is staunchly against the President of the US for purely capitalistic reasons. I guess now, after finding you have joined in the discrimination of âAmericansâ whose religion is of their God-given right to choose, i.e. Muslims, I shall return to doing business with the local small businesses. Thanks for the heads up. Will never step foot in your store again. Have you even considered all the âMuslimsâ who will take their money elsewhere? Really dumb and cowardly move on your part.”
I’ve always heard Lowes was a Blue store and when I read that I was really disappointed. Thank you for contacting them, ED. Their explantion was a little sketchy via ThinkProgress, I thought.
America needs to know about the Muslims who aren’t terrorists..just like there are Christians who really follow Christ and don’t use his name to think they’re hiding their hypocrisy. They’re not.
Oh I’m definitely watching. I want to watch them tear each other apart on the stage or failing that, at least give Romney some hell. When he gets flustered, dude almost has a mental breakdown and that’s hilarious. Romney’ll most likely be going after Newt as he’s been told to punch down and stop looking as though he doesn’t want the nomination or that he’s entitled to it. Hopefully, Newt doesn’t implode and either subtly attacks Romney, or rises above the fray (as much as he can; knowing his loose loose mouth). We need Newt to do well so that he wins in Iowa, South Carolina, and Florida and makes Romney uber desperate. I want this thing to drag out until the convention floor so that establishment GOP will be uber nervous at what the teaparty delegates will do.
Yup – can’t wait! Romney will go after Mitt for sure, but I also think he’ll try to shift the topic to PBO by pushing platitudes and talking points about “needing a President who can LEAD.”
I will check in on it every now and then. I know it’s gonna be a hot mess, as per usual. I’d love to see Willard try to take Leroy down a notch, because Leroy is like a rabid raccoon when backed into a corner — he’ll do WHATEVER it takes to get out of it. Maybe wacky old Paul will provide some entertainment. I don’t expect much from the rest of the Clown Crew.
My bet is that it’s gonna newt-willard-paul trifecta. Rest will be ignored.
Fox Newz Shocked that their polls says Pres.Obama would win the next election –
is this an early April’s Fools? What in the world is Faux snorting that they cited a poll showing that PBO would win the election hands down in 2012?
Motivation/red meat thrown at their viewers to get out the vote.
I wonder how many think he’ll win only because they know he’s the best, as compared to those who would actually vote for him themselves. đ
Maybe they are doing it to rally the base. Trying to send the right wing nut jobs into a frenzy at the thought of 4 more years of an African American president. Especially since the current crop of rethug candidates are not exciting the base.
I just got home right on time for the FREAK SHOW. I will watch for the first time because I want NEWT to take down Willard. Chips thanks for those lovely pictures, and if I may ask, what’s up with the Cocoa butter picture?
Helloooooooo M4O …. I was afraid you’d ask about the cocoa butter.
Lisa started it:
http://theobamadiary.com/2011/12/10/game-time-updating/#comment-188898
And it went downhill from there.
The most shocking moment was when the previously good HZ got involved:
http://theobamadiary.com/2011/12/10/game-time-updating/#comment-188984
Hint:
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ROFLMAO đ đ đ đ Lisa is a serial naughty girl but “Saint” HZ! đŻ đŻ đŻ well I missed the fun, but there is always next time when it comes to our Hot President. He NEVER disappoints. đ
I love this new math. Maybe I’ll sign up to be a volunteer tutor.
How is it that you managed to leave out your part Chipsticks? LOL!!!! You are too funny!!!
I am ENTIRELY innocent. đ
Chica, I hope you are not near a window. You know, because lightning has a way of striking…. đ đ
I went back and read the thread. HILARIOUS!!!
And how cool is it that Pres. Obama sat with the future Army cadets and Navy midshipmen? They will be future officers of our country and he takes his role as commander in chief very seriously. I LOVE MY PRESIDENT!!!!
I meant “future officers” they are currently cadets and midshipmen… Duh….
HooooooT! I thought it was never going to let these fine folks regain their equilibrium! In fact, half an hour later, my iPad went for its first ever walkabout, I thought it was BROKEN! Then tech support showed me a trick to get it back online….. I repeat: HooooooT! when I saw that graphic of the butter jar!
POTUS has a million dollar smile.
richard adams at guardian
welcome to live-blogging coverage of the GOP presidential debate in Des Moines, as Mitt Romney takes off the gloves against Newt Gingrich.
That’s our hope at least â although when Mitt Romney takes the gloves off it’s usually to reveal yet another pair of gloves underneath.
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Sublime!!
Which second pair of gloves hides his perfectly coifed fingernails to match his hair, and coz he don’t wanna get his hands dirty! Eewww..
I actually never get to watch because by the time it airs I’m asleep. NO work nor class tomorrow so I guess I’m tuning in.
And I actually prefer Shea butter. Thats just me.
Obama/Biden2012
I decided to take a chance on “When We Were Soldiers” but will be reading your comments.
OMG I am just catching up and I just read HZ’s comment about the cocoa butter legs. I’m laughing so hard that tears are streaming down my face. Who would of thought that our HZ had it in her to aspire to the naughty mat. LHM đ đ đ
Donna? DON’T ENCOURAGE HZ!!!!
Sorry for shouting, but HZ’s mind has been well and truly corrupted, may that be on the conscience of you all!
I hollered when I read her comment. I was ROFL. It just cracked me up. I’m still laughing. SMH!!!
Chips, I believe that you can now claim “mission accomplished” for nurturing the seeds that have made the naughty mat population growth explode and include HZ!!!
I’m proud of our accomplishment! đł
HZ must be feeling pretty spry! Good to see đ Never thought I’d see the day when HZ got a monogrammed naughty mat!
DF, I thought about having one made when Chips starting the ‘naughty mat’, and now I have my own made right here in America by our beloved and brilliant, Chipsticks. Love it.HZ
Kinda thaws out your tookus in a hurry, eh, Donna Dem? Hee…
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Lawd, all I keep thinking about when I think about cocoa butter is Katt William’s joke about Michelle Obama smelling like Motions hair conditioner and cocoa butter (and therefore, being a real black woman). I was gonna link a YouTube vid, but he may be entirely too much for TOD. Trust me, it was hilarious. đ
what phrase should I look up to find it on youtube, PJ?
You know Lisa, the clip I found was actually him talking about then-candidate Barack Obama, and it cut off right before the Michelle joke. I know the joke so well, though. You can find the bit about Barack just by searching “Katt Williams Barack Obama.” Katt is a mess, and has a filthy mouth, so wouldn’t want to embed here. I will try googling the Michelle joke to see if I can find a clip somewhere…
Found it, PJ!
LOL. Yes!! I just saw it.
I wanna watch it. What phrase can I search for to watch it?
katt williams motions hair conditioner obama. I typed that into google search bar and went to videos.
Found it, thanks mea.
omg. She could be a Motions hair model couldn’t she? HA LOL!!
Drinking game has already started at RA blog.
Every time one of them calls Obama a socialist, take a shot.
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I took your advice:
And the debate hasn’t even started yet.
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LOL.
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lololololololol
Chips. You have the most amazing sense of humor.
And great photo shopping skills.
Oh Chipstick, I took a short nap and you have just lost your mind! LOL!!!!!
Every time Rom-NO or any of the clowns utters the phrase to the effect of “we need a president who can LEAD” we will drink or donate $1 to PBO’s campaign.
Chips I emailed you đ
Oh Collegekay, LOVED that article and pic:
You’re a gem – everyone, this is the PDF link:
Click to access Pun_Bull_Obama_article.pdf
Thanks a MILLION Collegekay đ
Malia Ann is so cute,
Beautiful family. Beautiful man–after reading this article, who can doubt that he has always been a beautiful human being?
This is Indeed A “beautiful family,” Newcenturywoman! I thank you so much Collegekay and Chipsticks for sharing this story. Clearly, the President has been very consistent in his devotion to improving the lives of people throughout his public service career. He has also been exemplary in his devotion to his family. What is tragic is that most Americans get their information about the President from the propaganda media, and from his haters, both on the left and the right. Most Americans are rarely exposed to stories like this one.
That picture is so precious. Look at Malia, so cute. It warms my heart.
It’s lovely anniebella, isn’t it? Huge thanks again to Collegekay for passing it on.
Hay Collegekay, Thank you from the bottom of my heart.
Thanks Chips and Collegekay. Everytime I read something about PBO from his past, it just proves how consistent he’s been all his life. He’s a wonderful and kind human being. Look at how far he’s come. I pinch myself everyday at how gosh darned lucky we are to soak in a history making Presidency such as his.
Folks I love our first family like it’s my own family.
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PRE CLOWN DEBATE QUIZ
QUESTION# 1: Can anyone say in five sentences or less what is Santorum’s plan to create jobs?
By Preserving the Sanctity of Marriage—-Oh Sh^% that’s 6 words
No worries, limit is 5 sentences, not words! đ
Only need one sentence: praying the gay away will instantly lead to plethora of jobs.
I will be posting the answer downthread some time later.
I will go with the minimum because I don’t think Santorum’s plan to create jobs merits five sentences. From listening to his number one issue, I think his plan is to fire all gay people, in both private and public jobs. This, he believes, will create millions of jobs for the deserving Christian heterosexuals.
RA blog
Ron Paul’s campaign is even making in-roads among Iowa’s Christian conservative voters. Ewen found some at a Ron Paul event in Boone:
Among them was Joany Gorman, 49, mother of four and a home-schooler. Asked why she supported Paul, she pointed to the Cookbook. “The reason I support Ron Paul is because I believe Jesus Christ is the one true God,” she said. She had never heard of him before this election but will vote for him on caucus day.
The repub ‘base’ is jesus fucking crazy.
But yet they are the most hateful of the bunch. “I like your Christ…I do not like your Christians..they are so unlike your Christ”. I always want to ask one of these Jesus Freaks if they believe that they will get into heaven with all the nastiness they show the less fortunate and people that are not politically aligned with them
I am sure they do LOL . Obviously they don’t read the Bible carefully. In revelation Jesus will tell many who say that they preached in his name and cast out demons to go away and calls them evil doers. He tells them that they did not cloth or feed him when he had nothing, or visit him when sick or in jail. They will ask when was he hungry, naked in jail or ill. He will say that what they have done to the least of this is what they did to him. Boy are they going to get a big surprise.
All those nasty people talking about going to heaven might end up having a rude awakening when they find themselves in hell. Especially those who lie, cheat, and hate their neighbors.
what the hell kind of reason is that? are we electing a president or hiring a new pastor for church?
As I said, fucking crazy.
I think that this is a fair comparison! Ohio State Univ. band vs. ? Got to watch this for the incredible, meticulous precision of the OSU band. Amazing! The rest, is just funny…
http://thepoliticalcarnival.net/2011/12/10/video-musical-compare-and-contrast-of-president-obama-vs-the-gop-presidential-sic-candidates/
wow. thanks df. OSU band was fantastic. Not one misstep even when they were crossing each other. Beautifully choreographed.
Pretty cool, huh? That’s my school….loved those Saturday games;)
yes, Buckeyes are the “best damn band in the land”!!!! Go Bucks!!!!!!!!
Live link …. if you can bear to watch:
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/video/live-news-6046305
ANOTHER DRINKING GAME OPTION FOR THE DEBATE
How many times will Newt Gingrich say “Fundamental” or Fundamentally?
Fundamentally Hilarious
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In New York magazine, the clever Dan Amira captures the essence of Newt Gingrichâs windbaggeryâthe self-promoting adverb that makes the speaker look like an intellectual. Profoundly, deeply, frankly are frequently padders of Newtâs rhetoric, but by far Newtâs favorite wordâthe crutch without which he cannot walk a thought past his lipsâis fundamentally. Examining Gingrichâs speeches since 2007, Amira found 418 unique uses of fundamental or fundamentally.
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http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/ten-miles-square/2011/12/fundamentally_hilarious033960.php#
Newt’s fundamentally an asshole who’s an anti-flag, lying, traitor.
http://politicalcorrection.org/factcheck/201105110003
MUPPET SHOW TIME
Oh great! Our first Michele Bachmann repeal Obama care. *Takes a shot of tequila.*
I’m flip flopping like Mitt and will watch the debate out of morbid curiosity.
I feel like puking looking at them
First Gingrich lie of the #IowaDebate. Says under Clinton they created jobs by not raising taxes. So….how did they get the 23M jobs. Clinton did raise taxes!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/dec/11/gop-presidential-debate-iowa-live
First question: what is your “distinguishing idea” about creating jobs. As the front-runner, Gingrich is first up:
“As Speaker of the House I worked with President Clinton…”
Oh, you worked with President Clinton did you Newt? Would that be the impeachment or the shutting down of the federal government?
Diane Sawyer is doing some serious arse-kissing with her “saluting” these clowns just for running?
I wonder if Richard Adams of the Guardian volunteered to cover the GOP trainwreck for the duration or if he drew the short end of the stick.
Brilliant.
Sheesh…MR. Rick Perry, your idol GWB initiated TARP.
Do people believe this?
Rick Perry just said he could diagram a map. This is the moron who doesn’t know that we have 9 SC judges.
Ah yes, “Sonia Montemayor”. What a f**kwit.
“I can diagram on a map the problem we have in America today, it’s a direct line from Washington to Wall Street,” says Rick Perry. Vote Perry for a man who can find places on maps.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/dec/11/gop-presidential-debate-iowa-live
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Win Win Win by repealing obamacare.
Would I be right in detecting that Bachmann wants to repeal ‘Obamacare’? đ
I think M. Bachmann misses her friend Herman.
“Bachmann makes a naked grab for Herman Cain’s remaining 12 supporters.”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/dec/11/gop-presidential-debate-iowa-live
The Guardian’s Ewen MacAskill has spent the day in Iowa â and went to an election meeting in Des Moines organised by a veterans group:
Only Newt Gingrich, Rick Santorum and Rick Perry turned up. Michele Bachmann cancelled just 20 minutes before, maybe wanting to spend the time preparing for the debate or maybe someone told her the event was sparsely attended: she sent her husband Marcus instead.
Having spent three days in Iowa at various election events, there seems to be little enthusiasm for any of the candidates and there did not appear to be much at this event either. I sat next to a WW2 navy guy exasperated with candidates on offer, muttering “God damn” at various points made by Gingrich, Santorum and Perry.
Santorum said he had served … for eight years on the Senate armed services committee. As Santorum was leaving, the vet blocked the aisle and told him if he wanted bloodshed in Iran, he should put on a uniform and go there.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/dec/11/gop-presidential-debate-iowa-live
crazy bachmann repeal everything obama has done. uugghh
Bachmann is a dope. It is clear if Marcus wore the pants in the family he would tell his doppey wife it is time to come home.
I can imagine Bachmann and Marcus in the act, you know doing the do, and Michele Bachmann is saying yes, yes, yes, and Marcus think he is laying it on good, but then he hears Michele Bachmann saying Yes, yes, I’m going to re-peal Obamacare.
Aaaaaaaarggggggggggghhhhhhhhh!!!!! đ đ đ đ đ đ đ
LOL.
Come on, you know they don’t do the do. The man’s as gay as a jicama salad.
If only he’d ust end the self-hate and come out already.
Dianne Sawyer is so damn impressed by Romney’s citing of a figure. Anyone can cite a figure.
Yeah, it was a minute after that breathless diane, I turned off the fucking live coverage.
Me too! But I Tivoed it and when I get the courage up I’ll go back and watch some more.
Gawd, I gave to a shot. I couldn’t watch fro more than 3 minutes. Why is diame fucking sawyer pontificating instead of just asking the fucking questions ?
Bachmann tells a whopper of a lie. Says payroll tax cut will cost SS fund $112B. Bloody liar. #IowaDebate
I just want to know who the hell is Bawack Obrama? LOL Mittens now realizes the people he laid off at Bain are “real people”.
Yep Willard, all those people you made unemployed in your Bain Capitol days were “real people” too đ
LOL—I said the same thing. Romney is such a squirm—they asked about Newt not the President..what a coward.
Oh No He DIDN’T!!
Romney is a lying mother fawker
Santorum is a liar on social security.
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Bachmann also makes a naked grab for Herman Cain’s remaining 12 supporters.
Rick Santorum’s answer appears to be an attempt to win some sort of bet about who can mention the largest number of small towns in Iowa.
Diane Sawyer says that of the candidates only Romney answered the question in terms of jobs created in the first four years of their presidency. Santorum jumps in to blather on about petri dishes, something.
Willard is afraid to go after Newt. He’s about Obama this-Obama that…he has received his script from his GOP establishment friends.
Ooooooh Romney just cracked a joke about PBO and his golf clubs. Pat yourself on the back Willard; you dumbass.
I’m watching and it seems I’m not missing anything.
Maybe Diane is setting up for snuffleluffagus (sp).
My hope is he will counter some of the BS with facts and force them to respond.
Hah!
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Mitt Romney is looking particularly tanned tonight. He reels off a seven-point plan for creating jobs, which sound like they would create about seven jobs total.
Ron Paul is next up, who embarks on a “Ludwig von Mises for dummies” economics lecture. It’s the Federal Reserves fault, basically.
“I can diagram on a map the problem we have in America today, it’s a direct line from Washington to Wall Street,” says Rick Perry. Vote Perry for a man who can find places on maps.
Romney actually makes me feel physically ill, what a repulsive piece of shit.
He is a weasel….that place is stocked with Ron Paulites. What the fark was that rambling monologue Paul just delivered? Wait a minute Bachmann was a 5 yr old businesswoman—was she hustling crayons and lollipops in Kindergarten?
I know, Chips, my entire solar plexus gets cramps when I see him in live footage, I can barely handle still shots of him… And I seldom am negatively affected by anyone! He is such a phoney!
Exactly Pamela, it’s the fact that he’s such a fake …. makes me ill.
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I guess the basis of my reaction is that I simply cannot believe the greater majority of people don’t see right through this non-entity. It saddens me that some seem to take him seriously.
I know! Mitt has such a fake forced smile while his eyes are saying get me outta here. I would freak out if Mitt were standing right next to me with that gaze and smile. I know Rick Perry mentioned it once and I thought for once Perry has said something that makes sense.
I honestly don’t know how you all can stand to watch Romney or any of the clowns. God bless you all.
Me too, Chips. And, I have never heard him actually speak..just his pic and his quotes are enough to send me scrolling really fast so I don’t have to look at his mitt.
Merit base my arse
Romney has begun to stutter
yup he did. here we go. Gingrich
oh SNAP
Romney – where do you disagree with Gingrich?
DING!
UH OH!!!! It’s on now!!!
Newt v Mitt, it’s on!!!!!
TPM:
Feel like Perry’s becoming a sort of Rosencrantz and Guildenstern type figure in this debate play. Comic relief, vaguely ridiculous, sort of sinister but not much.
HAHAHAHAHHA NEWT JUST TRASHED MITT
Halo, I’m still assuming Willard will win the nomination …. if he does, these Newt soundbites are positively delicious, the 2012 ads are going to be soooooooooooooo easy!!
EXACTLY! I think Newt is going to win. Then again, I thought Huntsman would take off so…. that’s all you need to know about my predictions.
Ha, I was confidently predicting Chris Christie would win the nom …. right up until the second he said he wasn’t running. đł
I’m sad Newt just didn’t say “If you can’t beat Ted Kennedy, how can you beat Barack Obama?”
Ha, yes!!!!
BOOM! Gingrich sucker punches Romney. “The only reason you aren’t a career politician is bc you lost to Romney in 1994!” Ouch!
Booyah!
Sweeeeeeeet!!!!
he did have a good come back. Romney said, well if I would have made it to the NFL I would have been a professional football player but I didn’t get to do that either. (or something to that effect)
Hardly NFL material!
ouch!!
NEWT CAN SPIN ANYTHING
Whoooops, dry mouth Mitt? đ
I can’t watch. Anyway, the news & Sunday morning shows will talk about it nonstop. So I’ll hear about what happened.
Now here’s goes the “special math”
Gingrich told Romney if he’d been a career politician he’d have been in govt for over 17 yrs changing stuff.
They’re eating each other alive, wooooooooooot!!!!
Love it. How is paul doing ?
Just whacked Newt for his Freddie Mac $$s …. delicious.
Shit just got real. đ Y’all know Leroy has no shame. Go, Leroy, Go!
Strategic advice
Paul and Bachman are beating up Newt
Ron Paul just hit Gingrich w/Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae line. Hahaha
Bachmaan — she is 55 years old and spent 50 years in real life building a career???? wha
Maybe when she was 5 she worked as a janitor in her school? đ
lol
you know what . . . sadly, that made sense in this upside down topsy turvy world we now live in.
Gingrich narrows his eyes and shoots back:
Let’s be candid the only reason you didn’t become a career politician is you lost to Teddy Kennedy in 1994.
Ouch! “Just a second, just a second,” wibbles Romney. But Gingrich keeps going and smacks down all of Romney’s points. And wins a big round of applause.
If this was boxing fight the ref would have stepped in by now.
In his response, Romney falls back on babbling about numbers.
“With regards to the idea that if I had beaten Ted Kennedy I’d have been a career politician, that’s probably true,” says Romney, making a joke that if he had been good enough at football he would have been in the NFL.
But that “that’s probably true” line is just made for an anti-Romney attack ad.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/dec/11/gop-presidential-debate-iowa-live
She led 40,000 to Washington to protest against Obamacare
St. Ronnie must be looking on sadly. His 11th Commandment is being honored more in the breach than the observance.
(Hah, my second Hamlet reference!)
Now Bachmann is swinging left and right. Equating Newt & Romney as one and the same.
Newt is PISSED at Bachmann baby
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So, asks George Stephanopoulos, “Who is the most conservative of you all?” (I paraphrase.)
Offered the chance to take a shot at Newt Gingrich, Mitt Romney flops and opts to attack Barack Obama instead. But then: “Speaker Gingrich and I have a lot of places where we disagree…” says Romney. Why don’t you name them? asks Stephanopoulos. “Er…” pauses Romney uncomfortably, before the software kicks in and he names some batty idea of Gingrich’s about building bases on the moon.
“President Obama knows me” — Bachmaan.
Yeah, yeah, sure he does, dearie. Hee.
In her dreams; Michelle Bachmann is delusional. Excuse me, did Mitt just flip again on Israel? Sorry , Mitt Newt is a not a bonafide historian until he corrects the history of the Palestinians. News flash: Reagan got a little help; Gorbachev wanted to dismantle the Soviet Union anyhow due to it’s weakness. But, you can’t tell them to stop paying homage to a president who had dementia so badly , his wife would whisper in his ear during his speeches so he could remember. He’s their Patron Saint.
The Myth of Ronald Reagan
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Ronald_Reagan/Ronald_Reagan_Myth.html
I mentioned this on another thread but Michele Bachman looks ill – like she just recovered from a bout with the flu or is extremely tired and/or depressed.
I’d say depressed that she such a hopeless candidate without an iota of winning.
Can someone write instructions again on how to change the background? The white on black is increasingly brutal on the eyes. I’m in Explorer on FIOS. Thanks.
Girl he(POTUS) don’t know you. He’s not even thinking about you.
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Bachmann says she’d beat the President in a debate.
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I think that calls for a cocktail!
I’m buying!
Yummy!!
My special Manhattans for everyone!
HOLLERING!!!! đ đ đ
Now THAT would be worth watching! I might have a glass of wine now, and I don’t drink, but hey, it’s my birthday after all!
Romney is a LIAR! PBO did not cut medicare benefits for seniors.
Unbelievable, the ease with which he lies …….
Romney was lying so much in the first set of questions that I turned the debate off. I can watch some more later.
Perry backs Bachmann – she was right. It IS Newt-Romney.
lolol
Perry is stunned– Shocking!!!
God I love that chipmunk.
Aw, poor Willard, they’re all picking on him đĽ
We Pity the Fool!!!
10K bet? Way to relate to the middle class moron.
Exactly LOL!!! You know, I’ve lost count of the lines tonight that can be used in Dem ads, gazillions!
I have a feeling that OFA and the DCCC are dancing in their chairs as they take these clips and produce GOLDEN ads
can you believe Mittens was dumb enough to say that? $10,000 bet? $10K?
Perry was smart enough to avoid that.
Rick Perry just said he’s stunned. He’s been stunned since the day he learned how to count up to three and can’t go past that.
He thought he could count to three but turns out two was as high as his brain would take him.
Now they’re all turning on each other – slings and arrows – ping, ping, ping
Eh, is Rick Santorum there?
yes he is but alas, he is still invisible.
Thank heavens.
Joan! How are you?
Okay, thanks for asking Chiipsticks. I’m really enjoying the comments — much more fun than watching the claptrap coming out of the freaks on the stage. Thank you everybody!
Great to see you here Joan, I hope you’re getting your strength back after your ordeal. Take care of yourself.
no he didn’t say $10,000 bet.
Ooooops, Mitt is sweating just a little ….. this is a pathetic performance by him, game-changer?
Well, what do ya know – both Perry & Romney can read a book!
It almost sound like they were advertising the crap.
Only this one, though, GGail:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!
Is it me or is tonight like a Dem debate of yore in that the candidates are tearing each other apart? The Dem debates of 2008 were nowhere near as bloody. I love it.
She is ill, mentally ill.
Romney just offered Perry a $10K bet. How out of touch is this moron? That’s someone’s income he’s so cavalier about. Jeez.
TPM:
9:36 PM: Not sure if you want to be Mr. Middle Class you offer up $10,000 bet. Bet your vacation house? Third house? Fine, yacht?
Or Mr. and/or Mrs. Religious [no, Bill Bennett, you don’t count] with an offer to gamble.
On fucking Live teevee ? oh, willard.
there goes Santorum Chips.
He said in 1994 he was a conservative.
So that leads to the next question — what are you now?
Oooohhhh I agree with Michelle. She has been a consistent conservative. But she has been fighting and losing. I lead and I win.
I have the consistent track record.
LOLOL… picture on Guardian live blog, with the caption: Tonight’s GOP debate, directed by Tarantino
Two of Richard Adams’s tweets:
“In Iowa, WW2 vet tells Santorum if he wants war in Iran he should ‘put on a uniform and go there’ ”
“Live blogging the Gingrich v Romney v Ron Paul v common sense GOP debate in Iowa”
Yeah, you stupid pandering pos, santorUM. But, pandering to whom?
Bachmann – I am consistent. I will REPEEEAAALLLLLL OBAMACARE.
And Oily Taints will be her AG.
That was priceless!!! Winner.
Anybody remember that dude, Herman something-or-other?
Literally laughing out loud at pro-Romney woman on ABC:
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/video/live-news-6046305
Is she for real???
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Now Rick Santorum attacks Michele Bachmann â and no one cares. A big hook should come out and whip Santorum out of there.
9.38pm: Now its Rick Perry versus Mitt Romney going at it â with at some point in there Mitt Romney offering to make a $10,000 bet with Perry over something Romney may or may not have said about healthcare. “I’m not in the gambling trade,” says Perry. Also, $10,000 to Romney â assets about $250m â is like a fiver to you or me.
If you want an image of this debate so far, think of the final scenes of Reservoir Dogs, with all the principals aiming guns at each other. And you know that everyone is going to get a lead injection.
Love it that these punks ate killing each other.
Now you are helping me want to go back in and watch the rest of the debate. I couldn’t take any more Obama bashing when I turned it off but would love to watch them bash one another.
Brawawawaa..RA had me at Reservoir Dogs! Lol.
Hee. RA:
OK so Rick Santorum has made a convincing case why he’s a better candidate … than Michele Bachmann. Whee.
Ad break! But not before Diane Sawyer gives the candidates a more-in-disapointment-than-in-anger telling off for breaking the rules.
Here’s an ad for Fred Thompson, the comedy candidate of the 2008 GOP race. Now he’s touting “reverse mortgages”. Rick Santorum, that could be you in four years time.
Wouldn’t be that long.
YIPES!
God and fidelity….
Crikey, Perry on ‘infidelity’? Ouch!!!!!!!! This is UGLY!!!
Which is why Hermie left the race. Newt’s gonna get reamed on his serial adulteries.
nope. Newt sailed through that one.
Yeah…that was pretty nasty. I ALMOST felt sorry for Gingrich.
Hold on! đ
Never mind…he is back being an ass.
Look at Newt’s face
I can’t wait for his turn
Romney just shot himself in the foot. That 10K bet is what will be the takeaway from the debate.
Perry just took a dig at Gingrich. “If you cheat on your wife; you’ll cheat on your business partner.” Ouch!
Oh!
IT’S. ABOUT. TO. GO . DOWN!
https://twitter.com/#!/search/%23romneybets
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newt is the only ‘infidel’ on that stage, isn’t he ?
President Obama’s PAC came out and attacked Mittens?
What?
Wasn’t he the one who lied on PO? And then dems slapped the taste out of his mouth using his own words?
9.46pm: And lo, there is already a #romneybets hashtag trending on Twitter.
LOL
For fucks sake Michele Bachmann needs to stop saying Obama Care. My liver is bitch slapping me for every shot of tequila or vodka.
It’s for a good cause!
ROFL, stop it.
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I thought it was Chaz Bono…no lie.
LOL, that’s a good one. You thought Marcus was Chaz Bono.
Honest to goodness…one thinks she is a man and the other one thinks he is a princess. đ
I’m sorry…….. KNOWS he is a princess.
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Newt has been forgiven by God but what about the American people?
I would’ve loved to have heard that particular conversation.
I’m not watching the debate but seriously? Willard bet 10k. He’s an out of touch sleaze,
WWR is right.
Not 3 months pay for this self-employed American, who VOTES, and who is CONSCIOUS!
9.38pm: Now its Rick Perry versus Mitt Romney going at it â with at some point in there Mitt Romney offering to make a $10,000 bet with Perry over something Romney may or may not have said about healthcare. “I’m not in the gambling trade,” says Perry. Also, $10,000 to Romney â assets about $250m â is like a fiver to you or me.
Wow. Newt actually handled the infidelity question as well as he could.
Yeah he did…I think Mitt is going to come out a loser (surprise) in this debate.
wait is Gingrich now reversing his stance yet again on Immigration? I thought he walked back this approach a few weeks ago?
Yes, I am watching the freak show. It is a twofer to-nite; SNL & the GOP Freak Show. Wooow. Who wants to wager?
1. Perry will have 3 brain freezes.
2. Romney will grow a third head.
3.Micheal Bachmann will have her usual orgamistic rant by getting stuck on President Obama’s name.
4.Newt will get his history wrong again including his own personal history. By the way, the Palestinians were in the Ottoman before the Ottoman Empire was the Ottoman Empire. It was the Palestinians land which was invade by the Ottomans. A black Muslim, I can’t remember his name, in 641 AD conquered Egypt. After the death of Muhameed, the eruption came about in Middle East, India, and even Spain where the Jewish people were. The Spanish people re- conquered their land in the 1400s; and kicked the Jewish people, & Arabs out .
5. Santorum will get frothy at the mouth .
6. Ron Paul will shake his withered little finger at the Feds and the Military Industrial Compound Then he’ll give that crazy talk about how good it used to be in the 18th century.
Good to see them beat up on the fat, lying, gaseous wind bag, & fake historian, Newt Gingrich.
Thus far Micchell Bachman has displayed her OCD. Gawd, taking 400, 000 thousand brainwashed people to the Capital is really nothing to tout. She should tout what she for her district while in Congress . Opps, she can’t. She didn’t do anything. She has not mentioned President Obama’s name; yet!!!
Can’t believe Newt is standing there lying about forgiveness and rehabilation. He doesn’t want to talk about the child support he didn’t pay. I wonder if his kids forgive him?
Romney’s view on immigration is so unrealistic!!!!!!!
Bob just tweeted this: So, Newt’s a grandfather – wonder how many of his grand children he actually knows given his philandering. #ZEROGOP2012 #iowadebate
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Glad the two of you liked it đ đ
Also:
Our4thEstate Bobfr
If you hear a Republican not use God as an excuse for being a liar, a philanderer, & thief you’ll know the LSD worked & you’re trippn …
#PRESSON
Bobfr, you are the best! I hope you and UT keep up the pressure with those twitts challenging the idiots in the media!
Rick Perry just used the word “intellectual” in a sentence? Seriously.
HAHAHA ..I just posted the same thing.
LOL– Perry said intellectual…The Word, not something intellectual.
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It has SO many syllables! Remember W’s speechwriters had to stay with 2 and 3 syllable words, so W could pretend he was giving a speech. Butthead.
LOL……
Wow, every Palestinian is a terrorist? Gingrich, you ****ing scumbag.
And everyone named Newton Leroy Gingrich is a nasty, bigoted liar. The man is a destructive menace who has no business being taken seriously by any political party. The GOP should hang its head in shame if that feeling were still possible for a party that has lost all sense and reason.
Gingrich is a scumbag. How does one callously call the Palestinians an invented people and say that pretty much all of them are terrorists! And the audience members actually applauded. Sick!
UT, we must have been twins separated at birth!
The thing is that I think this will shore up Jewish support for PBO. Most Jews will see that a Gingrich presidency will mean a general war in the ME, and Israel being either swamped or resorting to nuking everyone around them. Which, you know, most American Jews don’t want.
Yes.
You’re so right, LL! Case in point…
Martin S. Indyk, a former United States ambassador to Israel, said that if Mr. Gingrich believed that Palestinians did not have a right to an independent state, âas implied in his language, then heâs not pro-Israel at all.â
âBecause the government of Israel under Prime Minister Netanyahu supports a two-state solution,â Mr. Indyk said. âThe people of Israel â an overwhelming majority of them â support a two-state solution, in which there would be an independent Palestinian state living in peace alongside a secure state of Israel.â
~snip~
http://thinkprogress.org/security/2011/12/10/387011/gingrich-camp-newt-supports-a-palestinian-state-but-you-have-to-understand-decades-of-complex-history/
h/t Ben Armbruster
You are absolutely right, Liberal Librarian! I don’t think the majority of Jewish people appreciate being pandered to as if they were idiots! Pandering may work for low information teabaggers; but I doubt that it would work for the majority of highly informed Jewish Americans.
I think Newt is working to get PBO reelected in a landslide. Bet $5.00
We’re born human, into our respective countries, which are inventions that pre-date us. So arguably, all people are an invented people. I would like to hear Native Americans’ perspective on Gingrich’s notion about which people have legitimate claims on a land and which people have invented claims on a land.
Nicely put, FiredUpInCA, well said. Someone should tweet that.
Bravo, FiredUpInCA! I think Gingrich should be asked this question: Who are the legitimate owners of America both North and South? Surely not the English, the Scotch, the Irish, the Italians, the Germans, the Polish, the Norwegians, the French, the Spanish,the Portuguese, and the Africans. More importantly, do Native Americans who adopted Catholicism, and speak Spanish and French, or adopted various protestant sects, and speak English, cease to be Native Americans? For a person who claims to be a historian, Newt Gingrich shows that he knows very little about the history of West Asia (Middle East). Yet, he is held up as the intellectual of the Republican party!
These people are CRAZY!
I’m so sick of Romney telling half truths – UUGGHHHHHHHH
Did Romney just call Israeli PM “Bibi Yahoo”?
Chipsticks!!!!! LOL!!!!
He’s saying Bibi Not-In-Yahoo
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I’m not in Yahoo either, prefer gmail!
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The moderators tee up Perry, Santorum and Paul â all monogamously married for a million years â to answer first. Sadly no one wants to mention the Three Mrs Gingrichs.
Ron Paul manages to turn the question into fidelity to the Constitution, and wins applause.
Romney calls him Bibi…like he KNOWS him!
ok they knew each other through work???
Just “Bibi” is easier to say than Bibi Not-in-Yahoo.
Wait a dog-goned minute people: I thought Willard was unemployed!
NEWT IS WHIPPING MITT
Gingrich is an idiot and a bigot.
Oh SHIT OH SHIT NEWT JUST BITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTCHSLAPPED MITT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
oh lord. Bachmann is an idiot.
She has been that.
I shouldn’t talk about folks. (God forgive me)
WTF is this? Who wants to be Bebe Netanyahu’s best friend and kiss his ass. Jeez Romney & Gingrich
Post at RA blog
Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every once in a while…the Republicans have found a whole basket of nuts…
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Ah, Santorum – I thought he’d left.
Santorum has no idea what he is talking about. He has no sense of foreign policy.
Part of me is very, very, very sad that Herb isn’t there tonight to discuss foreign policy. đĽ
Part of me is rothflmao to hear you say that Chips!
Bachmann is such a fucking liar. She says the Palestinians preach hate. She preaches hate of LGBT all day everyday. Bloody hypocrite.
+ 1,000,000,000
I know Perry didn’t say that President Obama created the problems in the middle east.
It all started in 2009. . . .he actually said trouble in the Middle East started in 2009.
It STARTED in 2009? ? ?
yes Joan. And it is a result of Barack Obama.
Ha!
Oh No, Perry and foreign policy
Oh shit…Rick Perry is counting again
And those too morons leading the debates didn’t push back on any of that.
Rick Perry: “The President had two choices ….. actually he had three.”
He’s still struggling with that one, two, three thing.
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Aww,, look at ’em standing up for one another. It’s so cute. Now Please Shutup!
Oh my goodness. For the first time, I’ve spent some time actually watching this Repub car wreck, and I quite literally cannot believe how horrendous these “people” are. And Diane Sawyer and Georgie-poorgie let them just ramble on incoherently with no challenge whatsoever?!?
I used to think I would never see anything so ridiculous as George W. Bush in a debate again, and yet these evil people are far beyond Shrub on the insanity scale. Bob Dole used to seem like a moron to me, but he seems like Einstein compared to these mental midgets, and people are clapping. Jeezus…I’m in shock. Literally.
It’s spectacularly awful bonkers, isn’t it? Most of the time I don’t know whether to laugh or cry, but it is seriously depressing that this is the best the GOP can offer America – and the world.
The world is listening to these people. They’re all seriously embarrassing the United States, the entire country. They should be dumped in a deep lake somewhere.
Don’t worry Joan, I honestly think most of the world knows the difference between these nutjobs and the smart Americans – like the President đ
I keep thinking of when Bush last visited Ireland – it was the biggest security operation in the history of the state, he wasn’t allowed anywhere near the people because of the anti-war protests.
And then there was this:
Diane Sawyer should be ashamed of her damn self. What are the chances they or whomever moderates the General debate has their fangs out for P Obama?
You guys are killing me. It’s much more fun and way easier on the nervous system to get the gist of it all here, so I’m super grateful to everyone who has the stomach to sit through it. Can anyone remember a more hopeless group of presidential candidates? Empty-headed, deluded, clueless, nasty, repugnant–the whole bunch of them.
Weepin’!!!!!!!!!
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I love it collegekay!
And he is reading TOD, laughing all the way!
Amy Holmes and Ron Suskind can eat sh**…OMG…He’s redeemed! He’s a Phoenix!
Romney says: “I think the Speaker [Gingrich] made a mistake saying the Palestinans were an invented people.” Gingrich violently shakes his head. Some chins wobble.
Ah, I was wondering who that not-very-smart woman was on ABC: Amy Holmes …. a news anchor on Glenn Beck’s GBTV. đ
Isn’t she the black repub female (the ultimate oddity) that used to appear on the much vaunted TeaNN “political panels” ?
Yes – that woman is annoying as hell. Says a whole lot of nothing by moving her mouth and uttering words.
I have a friend that went to college with her (Princeton) — she’s always been vapid.
How the heck is this clown bunch going to answer a question of personal financial struggle? Bachmann banked over $1M last year. Gingrich has raked in over $1.6M from Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae and has a revolving account at Tiffany’s. Romney just added acres and acres of space in his CA mansion.
RA:
Romney comes back at him, and drops the mention that he worked with Netanyahu at Boston Consulting. “I’m not a bomb-thrower, rhetorically or literally,” says Romney. Gingrich smiles like someone who has been offered a large plate of shit to eat.
That was Romney’s best play: subtle but underlined his differences with Gingrich: that he’s got a big mouth who says dumb things and then claims he’s just got the big ideas.
That’ll be Newt’s downfall, either in the primaries or the general. He says shit that scares normal people.
Romney 2012. Misleading from behind.
LOL.Nice.
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I am on Twitter slamming Mitt Romney. Go Newt đŻ I will ask for forgiveness later.
Go M4O!!!!
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The Guardian’s Chris McGreal â a former Jerusalem correspondent â disputes Gingrich’s fanciful Palestinian textbook claim:
The Gingrich Palestinian textbook claim is rubbish. Even the Israelis own official criticisms of the books mostly centre on questions of recognition of Israel.
This corrupt to the core mofo will start another ME war, if elected. You betcha.
I knew she was lying.
Dedicated to Herman “Herb” Cain
Birthers, Baggers and Blowhards
I have never seen a more pathetic bunch of losers. The thought of any one of them being the leader of the free world is absolutely horrifying. The implosion of the Republican Party continues at breakneck speed.
Believe me – if any of these fools win, they won’t be leading any free world. Nobody will follow them.
WTF is Rick Perry talking about? He is like a dumb version of Bush.
“a dumb version of Bush” – PRICELESS!!! đ
Too true. Compared to Dick Perry, Shrub was 100% Mensa.
Hey y’all! Am having a glass of wine here on Chips “birthday party” blog tonight! So much fun!
Hey, have some of this too:
Hey! Now who is going to help me blow out all those candles, and please don’t say the GOP debate! I don wan dem weirdos any where near my cake!
I think I missed it?? Did Perry answer the question??
Romney – LIAR, LIAR! PANTS ON FIRE!!!! How about Bain Capital?
Santorum was born with a mother and a father. Weren’t we all? đ
Not if our parents had sex with animals. đ
lol
Making them gay..#AccordingtoSantorum
You are sooooo bad! But you’re right, looks like Santorum’s mom schtupped a billy goat.
You guys are too much! I should know better not to drink anything when I am on this sight. My computer and desk always pay the price of my beverage drinking. On the other hand, I truly appreciate the humor. The only way to keep sane listening to these GOP characters is to LOL!
Michele Bachmann is still a “cloupon cipper”. That’s nice.
Who knew they had coupons for those little green bibles?
Ha, yes!!
Every time Stephanopoulos mentions “Yahoo” I assume he’s talking about the Israeli PM. Thanks Mitt.
bibi is a nut-n-yahoo.
So true đ
I’m gonna have to stop eating my popcorn if I keep reading you Chipsticks!!!!
Romney pretends that he understands the middleclass. So much so that he made a $10K bet with Rick Perry. He fucking dodged the war and pretends that he faced financial struggle while helping poor people in his church. His rich daddy paid for his cushy way through life and this fucker pretends to be the 99%. What utter insulting hogwash.
RA
Asked about their personal financial struggles, multimillionaire Mitt Romney says:
I didn’t grow up poor. If you’re looking for someone with that background I’m not that person.
A glitch in the Matrix there: that’s Romney’s stock response to many questions â “I’m not X, if you’re looking for X I’m not that person â and he clicked on the wrong option there. Although he did go on to say that his father had been poor, so that’s ok.
Ron Paul reveals that he got through medical school thanks to his wife working. But somehow moves his response onto inflation being caused by printing money. He’s smooth. Very smooth.
RA
Now we are back on the whole individual mandate for healthcare thing, and Mitt Romney gets to defend himself for the 9,000th time in this election campaign.
Basically, according to Romney: the individual mandate was brilliant for Massachusetts, but for America it is an economy-wrecking hellhole. Got it?
Now it’s Newt Gingrich, who has a well-worn line of snake oil on this subject.
“I was at a pharmacy here in Iowa â I have a cough,” confides Diane Sawyer. So that’s how she does research.
Ron Paul lays into both Romney and Gingrich for having to explain away their positions. Gets big applause.
These people in the audience have no conscience. They’re heartless scumbags of the worst order. They just applauded Ron Paul’s statement that we shouldn’t help poor children in need and shouldn’t help people who desperately need healthcare but due to the economy and unforeseen circumstances can’t afford healthcare.
And when Obama wins reelection and the Dems destroy the GOP brand for a generation and healthcare gradually morphs into single payer because the insurance companies can’t make a profit under the ACA, these same people will holler when another conservative comes along wanting to cut universal health care in some fashion because it’s become a “right”.
“Theyâre heartless scumbags of the worst order.”
This is not exaggeration. It’s a factual statement. Proven over and over again. They are UnAmerican, based upon the Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution.
I’m beginning to look at all Republicans with great suspicion, as though they’re all conscienceless and heartless, which is depressing since I’m surrounded with them in this small Utah valley. I think it’s something like 98% Republican up here. Much worse than the Salt Lake area.
Ooof. Hope we can help you keep the faith. I too have felt that way about all modern-day Repubs. The whole Iraq Invasion and Occupation and their nonchalant attitude about the hundreds of thousands of innocent citizen deaths there, many women and children, was the last straw for me. These people are missing a piece of their souls. Everything they’ve done since is just further proof. Evil personified.
Well Bonkers, we’ve lived here for nearly 48 years and still put out our Democratic signs (we live on a hill facing a main road through the valley). Sites like TOD, as you say, help us tremendously to keep the faith, knowing we aren’t alone. And since we arrived here we’ve voted in every state and national election. We never helped Utah elect any of our Democratic candidates, but we still plug along, making jokes when we leave the polling place, hailing the few fellow Democrats we meet there as though living in a foreign country. and discovering an ex-patriot.
We bought a small farm as soon as we came here and Alan was invited to come and teach in his old alma mater, so we’re sort of stuck here. The way we vote for good Democrats in other states is to contribute to their campaigns. It makes us feel a little less useless.
I’d like to know what asylum they recruit these audiences from. They are truly despicable people.
From BJ
My favorite on Twitter so far:
âRomney promises that his butler will personally deliver the $10,000 if he loses.â
This should be GOOD!
Ron Paul is upset that people on Yahoo keeps asking questions about the same subject – geeze
Why is the Republican debates based on entry level questions? These debates are no where close to the level of the 2008 debates.
How insane is Ron Paul? He really proves this adage right: When you scratch a libertarian; you get a nut. He’s like that moronic uncle at the table who spews drug fueled convoluted crap.
Hey, Rick Perry spent a “substantial” amount of time reading!
This?
No, Chipsticks — too intellectual for Perry. Also, it’s got too many pages.
I agree with Joan, Chips. Dr. Seuss is way too advanced. This is more his speed:
http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=US#/watch?v=CgLTDYS-Jbw
The patience of mommies!
Winner of tonight’s debate – the “Mankini”
Romney will be crying tonight.
Go Newt!
It’ll tell you how irrelevant Ron Paul is when Perry and Willard are paying tribute to him.
Yes!!!!
I wish I had that $10,000. Husband just lost his job. Pocket money to him….just think being able to loose that, and not care.
I’m so sorry desertflower!
Hi Joan, good to see you tonight. Keep well and relax.HZ
Oh no. (((((desertflower)))))
thanks, Joan and PJ…..crazy, Huh? hoping he can get something really soon.Will cross my fingers…last time he lost his job for 8 months. Nearly killed us….hopefully, this won’t be long. Right before Christmas is hard.
My Dear desertflower, so sorry to read this. You and your sweetie are in my prayers.
I too hope he can get something soon, cross fingers.
Desertflower, my thoughts, and my prayers are with you and hubby. Please know that .
((((((((((((Prayers, candles, meditations for Desertflower)))))))))))))HZ
I am really sorry to hear about your hubby! One of the most devastating experiences in any one’s life is loosing a job. To do so before Christmas is even more cruel. I pray that your family will find strength to endure. Hopefully he will soon find a job.
So sorry to hear about your husband’s job. Will keep fingers and toes crossed for him to find another job.
For a self-described unemployed person, he must have a money tree that produces cash at will.
Money tree Mitt.
Criquet…I like that “Money tree Mitt!” Maybe the twitter army can use it as a hashtag.~
Bachmann is giving a shout out to Herman Cain.
She is really desperate.
Herman is Bachmann’s “Secret Lover”
I can’t handle anymore. I’ll just have to read what all of you say. UT, are you plastered yet? I would be if I was drinking!
RA
After a very long ad break we are now in the wrap-up phase, with the candidates being asked some anodyne question about what they have learned from the other contenders. Yawno.
Interesting: Romney and Perry are sucking up to Ron Paul in this segment, making a play for his supporters there. That’s a first.
But that’s not the biggest suck up. That award goes to Newt Gingrich, never knowingly under-sucked: “Governor Terry Bransted is my role model,” says Newt, in the most outrageous Iowa caucus vote-grabber of the night.
Michele Bachmann mentions Herman Cain. Who?
Newt sucking is as gross an image and Newt in a mankini.
I’m glad that it’s finally over! WHEW! My brain kept drifting and my eyes were glazing over when I looked at Perry and Romney
Can I just objectively say that I think Newt is an amazing debater. I actually think PBO will have to be on his toes more with Newt than Romney.
I think Newt is good because he makes up shit and thinks of policy on the fly. If there was a real life fact checker…he would be done.
Newt is a habitual liar. He has a lot of experience making up shit when he was cheating on his wives. He perfected looking in your face and lie like hell. And then had the nerve to dare you to question him.
Disagree completely. His opponents and the fluffers who are called moderators, just let his nonsense slide, and not only that, continuously promote this lie that Gangrene is “intellectual” and a “good debater.” He’s not at all. Me and most people who read here regularly could dismantle most everything he says in a minute or two. President Barack Hussein Obama will mop the floor with this dumbass, if Gangrene is the actual nominee, which I still don’t think will happen.
Sorry I still don’t see it.
I do not believe that POB will have to ‘be on his toes more with Newt than Romney’; I think the American voters need to stand up on their feet and say, “We are not buying your shit Newt and Romney. Not this time, not ever.”HZ
PObama is always on his toes anyway and miles above lying scumsuckering Liars like newt the sociopath.
Andrew Sullivan Live Blogging. This is hilarious…..
10.43 pm. Politifact has judged Newt Gingrich’s statement that he has never supported cap and trade as a lie. Meanwhile, I loved this tweet:
Sometimes I think Rick Perry gets halfway through an answer and sees a Frisbee.
http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/
I think Michelle Bachmann won the debate.
Iconoclast!
Tapper – the bet that shot across the world.
People will remember the $10,000 bet
ROMNEY IS DONE. $10k BET WILL DO HIM IN.
Sometimes I think Rick Perry gets halfway through an answer and sees a Frisbee #Dead
10,000K bet. Make it trend on Twitter
The self- described unemployed Mitt has cash to flash.
Either that or he was a big mouthed arrogant liar. Oh wait..
I am so enjoying everyone’s comments. So many good zingers from TODers.
All anyone is going to remember from this debate is Romney making a buffoonish out of touch $10,000 bet. He really shot himself in the foot with that disgusting bet. This debate was supposed to be an opportunity to sink Newt but they all pretty much jumped on Romney and he came out as one of the losers in this clown debate. Gingrich solidified his front runner status.
yup, looks like it. pretty pathetic that these clowns let one of the most ethically challenged (both personally and politically) corrupt bastid get away with ti all.
UT Thats a GOOD thing.
If it is true that Newtler did win: I had the stomach last week to watch Shields and Brooks, who agreed if Gingrinch did win the nomination, PBO would “coast” to re-election.
Think of it as a birthday present!
So, after the debate, abc really really building up Newt as the inevitable nominee.
Scary stuff!
We should be able to neat him. I know tge Press will have a field day with him.
New post here:
http://theobamadiary.com/2011/12/10/night-everyone-64/
Seen On Twitter:
@fbonacci: Who does Calista’s hair, Mattel?
omg. these Calista jokes have to stop because I feel bad for laughing. not really.
Holy shit. This Iowa Gov Branstad is a complete moran! President Obama has driven this country into debt?!? President Obama is shackling businesses?!? Wow. Terry, dude, how do you explain the NYSE having it’s greatest gains EVER during President Obama’s tenure? Unemployment would be down to roughly 7% if it wasn’t for all the Teebagger governors laying off so many public sector employees, since private sector employment is up big in the last year or so. And the interviewer says nothing….