afternoon all

President Obama walks to the motorcade on the South Lawn at the White House, Nov. 25, before heading to Andrews Air Force Base for a private round of golf


198 Responses to “afternoon all”

  1. November 25, 2011 at 5:41 pm

    Good Afternoon, Chipsticks 🙂

  2. 3 anniebella
    November 25, 2011 at 5:42 pm

    Good luck Mr. President in working off some of those pies.

  3. 5 Betsey
    November 25, 2011 at 5:46 pm

    Happy Thanksgiving, TODville! I tried to post yesterday but it didn’t seem to make it through, perhaps because it had a link. I’ll post that separately. I’m very, very thankful to Chips and the whole family for this upbeat, optimistic, enthusiastic, informative haven in a sea of insanity. There are so many great links here I never go into the sea of insanity any more.

    I’m not a tweeter, but for those who are (and I love hearing about your adventures in the twitterverse) I came across a great site for journalists on twitter for anyone who hasn’t found it already: http://muckrack.com.

  4. November 25, 2011 at 5:48 pm

    The President has a nice, sunny day to play golf — nice fresh air and the chance to enjoy being outside. Bless that man!

    I just ran across something fun — Elizabeth Warren is asking for T-Shirt campaign slogans. I’d LOVE to be able to vote for her. She will be an incredible force in the Senate.


    (quote) We want our official campaign T-shirt to have the best slogan possible, and we know that Elizabeth’s supporters like you have a lot of great ideas.

    The deadline for submitting your T-shirt slogan is Tuesday, November 29. Then we’ll review all the submissions and choose five of the best ones to put to a vote so you can have the last word.

    So what’s your T-shirt slogan idea? We’d love to hear it! (endquote)

  5. 10 desertflower
    November 25, 2011 at 6:00 pm

    Well. had to work off some of that turkey dinner today, so I decided to cut some tree branches down in the backyard. That was stupid! In AZ, everything has prickers, stings, or eats you. These trees HAD PRICKERS! As usual, I bit off a little more than I should have, in my zest to do some serious “pruning”….I should sleep good tonight!
    President and First Family look fabulous today…young Malia is a stunner! Sasha is adorable….still in that ‘tween stage:) Bo….cute as a button.
    Golf day…we know what that means! Check the news.

    • November 25, 2011 at 6:30 pm

      “In AZ, everything has prickers, stings or eats you…” You made me LOL! That’s why us old desert rats are so tough. Get some rest, Kiddo and put some Benadryl gel on the pricker spots. That will take the sting out ♥

      • 12 desertflower
        November 25, 2011 at 6:33 pm

        AG…you KNOW that’s true! I was trimming the Palo Verde’s and the little buggers bit me! Thanks for the Dr’s orders…will do 🙂

    • 13 Puddin'
      November 25, 2011 at 7:49 pm

      Well, right now the news of the day is , “…he (PBO) forgot to give thanks to GOD in his Thanksgiving speech”!

  6. November 25, 2011 at 6:02 pm

    Wow…PBO is going to have to beat off the teenage boys with a stick! Malia is so lovely. (and only 13) Love Mrs O’s outfit.

    • 15 Fred
      November 25, 2011 at 6:04 pm

      he will really need those drones ready 😉

      • November 25, 2011 at 6:36 pm

        😆 So true. The ladies are all lovely. Methinks Malia has started rummaging in her mother’s closet — that blouse is lovely and she is stunning in it.

        • 17 jacquelineoboomer
          November 25, 2011 at 7:12 pm

          Ha! She might be a little young to borrow mom’s blouses, but give it a couple years and they’ll ALL be in her closet! Both girls are lovely.

    • November 25, 2011 at 6:34 pm

      No kidding! My oldest grandson (almost 14) has a huge crush. He just shot up to 6 feet recently and is thrilled that he is taller than Malia because “girls like tall boys.”

      • November 25, 2011 at 7:46 pm

        That’s a fun anecdotal story to read, AG. 😛 Wonder what my grandson who is tall and 16 thinks about her? If he ever sees her on tv. My daughter, who is married to an Australian, living in Portland Oregon, said she never saw anything about the President being in Austraiia when I told her about Obama going there and getting such a great reception. And, 12 year old Chelsea in Canberra getting famous for hugging our Prez.

      • 21 utaustinliberal
        November 29, 2011 at 3:46 am

        Awww…cute. 🙂 They all look lovely.

    • 22 vitaminlover
      November 25, 2011 at 10:33 pm

      Did you notice that young Sasha had her hair done like Mom’s?

  7. November 25, 2011 at 6:07 pm

    CHICAGO — Since May, a steady trickle of aides has left the White House for a more blustery climate, temporary apartments and minimal presidential perks. They are now reassembled here in President Obama’s home town as his 2012 campaign staff, facing a grim political environment shaped by the worst economic outlook in decades and a dismal job-approval rating for the commander in chief.

    Yet compared with their colleagues in Washington, the Chicago crew members are living the good life. And not just because they have a putting green and a ping-pong table in the middle of the office.

    Unshackled from the day-to-day machinations of governing, and unburdened by the partisan intensity of official Washington, the Chicago team is energized by the clarity of its purpose: getting Obama reelected. That means focusing not on Washington, but on laying the campaign groundwork in the key battleground states that will decide the contest.

    That also means working on issues, large and small, in corners of the country far removed from Washington: aiding a state Senate race in eastern Iowa; helping to coordinate a volunteer effort to elect a Democratic mayor in Tucson; recruiting a nationwide stable of lawyers in preparation for possible lawsuits and voter-registration fights from Florida to Wisconsin.


      • November 25, 2011 at 6:46 pm

        When you read about what we are doing, no other candidate has this kind of organization and ground game.
        That is why the media posts this past president comparison narrative.
        They want to brainwash you, sort of like the same campaign the GOP ran in 2010. Demoralize and use the patty Hearst syndrome!

        • 26 Uche
          November 25, 2011 at 7:10 pm

          It’s this knowledge that we have a ground game that is unmatched by any in the opposition that inspires my confidence in victory, come November 2012. Even with all the doom and gloom propagated my the msm, there is no GOP candidate who wouldn’t willingly swap positions with PBO in terms of campaign machinery.

          • 27 jacquelineoboomer
            November 25, 2011 at 7:14 pm

            I’m so glad so many of us here have confidence in victory. Or, as I like to call it, LANDSLIDE!

            • 28 HZ
              November 25, 2011 at 9:07 pm

              Yes, jacquelineoboomer, it is that quiet, but steady spirit of our wonderful President that keeps his eye on the ball. I am never disappointed in what we can and will do with his constant faith in doing his best for people.

              We will prevail. We are committed. We are hardworkers, and we have a leader who keeps his head about him. The very good will come forth when we have faith in our leader and do good deeds with our actions. He will be reelected in 2012.HZ

        • November 25, 2011 at 9:36 pm

          The media tries its hand over and again everyday trying to take this president down, They are not succeeding. He is still standing tall and will stand taller as we work hard for him. I believe that infuriates the heck out of them. And to be sure they will not stop because they have boat loads of corporate bucks to continue.

          That’s why I am glad we have twitter and other social media to push back at them. When we respond to their mess, it gets under their skins. They can no longer just feed us bull-kaka and expect that we will swallow it hook, line and sinker.

    • November 25, 2011 at 9:42 pm

      I don’t like the gloomy opening of this article. Typical Washington Post to accent the negative. The economy has been slowly improving as has the president’s approval rating. And the president runs AGAINST someone in the election and that hasn’t been going so well for on the other side. Every time the OFA “assists” in local elections they gain two things: indepth understanding of the situation on the ground; and loyal supporters.

  8. November 25, 2011 at 6:16 pm

    Good thing chip showed us these pictures!
    Always Good to see the first family!
    Thanks chips–

  9. 32 Linda
    November 25, 2011 at 6:24 pm

    Donna Dem posted this one on the other thread. It is just stunning.


  10. November 25, 2011 at 6:33 pm

    ♥ ♥ ♥ Good Evening Chips! Good Evening Family! ♥ ♥ ♥

    Barack Obama Quote O’ The Day

    …what we can do, as flawed as we are, is still see God in other people and do our best to help them find their own grace.
    –From remarks at private residence in Albuquerque, New Mexico, September 28, 2010

    Have a great night, everyone! 😛

  11. November 25, 2011 at 6:34 pm

    Wow, Malia is simply beautiful. She is going to have a commanding presence in this world.

    Now on to this random thought of mine. Anyone else notice Romney during the debates. He acts like an entitled bully. He’s almost always trying to yell above the person he is addressing and even when answering the question. Yet, somehow he seems so insecured.

    Go figure.

    • November 25, 2011 at 6:39 pm

      Willard is a weird, weird dude. Awkward is an understatement. He just seems to have no core, no true compass, so every debate is a performance executed by a robot rather than a discussion engaged in by a thoughtful, intelligent, sentient being.

      • November 25, 2011 at 7:08 pm

        I mentioned this once before, and your comment brings it to mind again. Willard profiles (IMO, when I’m being charitable) as someone who is high on the autism spectrum. The ones I’ve known tend to be very robotic in their interactions and not very good on discussions because they don’t handle nuances very well. They are socially awkward, wanting to be friendly but unable to be ‘natural’ in their interactions. Sometimes in trying to be social they tell the same joke over and over, because it got a good laugh the first time! Yet the ones I’ve known had high IQ’s and were very highly intelligent in a particular area, and could in fact be belligerent when they weren’t getting a point (obvious to them) across. I am aware that not all high autistic persons display these traits, but I’ve met a few who had Asperger’s Syndrome and Willard does often remind me of them. Who knows, maybe he really is ‘challenged’ in this way, but his privileged status made it possible for him to wend his way through life undetected. 🙄

        • 44 isonprize
          November 25, 2011 at 7:20 pm

          As a parent of a child on the autism spectrum, I am pretty much in agreement with you. The ‘high end’ of the spectrum is typically diagnosed as Asperger’s Syndrome. Since, I’m not a clinician, I wouldn’t want to say that Willard has AS. I’d be surprised if he didn’t, though….

        • 45 jacquelineoboomer
          November 25, 2011 at 7:22 pm

          vcprezofan2 – I’m not trained in that field, but you may be on to something – since it seems clear to you. Have you noticed that his feet don’t seem to match his body – in the way he walks (onto the debate stage, for instance). Not sure if I would describe it as robotic, but it is awkward. (And I’m being charitable, too, and not mocking him for that. Just something I noticed.)

          I think George W. was said to have some type of learning disability when he was young. Can’t recall details, but even with those challenges, he somehow went through his life with that “undetected,” as well. However, I wouldn’t call him highly intelligent as those you’ve seen.

          • November 25, 2011 at 8:02 pm

            I’m not a clinician either, Jacque O & Isonprize, but I have worked with a few who came with the AS identification, and Willard just struck me as similar in several ways. Jacque I haven’t paid too much attention to Willard – never watched a debate – but for some of the kids I knew, they did walk with an awkward gait. And in saying that I am not criticizing or mocking them either; that’s just the way it was.

            From my experience, a Learning Disability identification has many potential faces, so old Georgie W could have fit anywhere. You don’t have to be on the autism spectrum to have an LD. In fact, I also wondered if the Alaska barbie had an LD in the area of language. She mangled the language so effortlessly and so repeatedly that when I wanted to give her the benefit of the doubt, I wondered if she was clueless because she had a disability. [Somehow I find it easier to be sometimes tolerant of their seemingly ‘irrational’ behaviour when I consider that they might be unable to help themselves. Go figure!]

        • 47 bonkers
          November 25, 2011 at 8:40 pm

          Huh. Never thought that about Mittmo or Shrub, myself. Always took them as spoiled kids who never really have had to accomplish anything from their own hard work and smarts navigating the world. Classic “born with a silver spoon in their mouth” entitled behaviour, or as Ann Richards said, “born with a silver foot in his mouth.”

          Based on privileged low-achievers and low-performers I’ve know in my own life, their behavior matches that perfectly. Just my two cents…

          • November 25, 2011 at 10:03 pm

            Not only was Willard born into a privileged family, I also read that he had (or has) a very high position in the Mormon Church where he gets unquestioning respect and is never contradicted. I think some of his awkwardness in politics and his apparent tone deafness may stem from having to deal with so many people who don’t automatically accept everything he says. In order to get the thing he wants most and feels entitled to–the presidency–he’s had to learn a whole new language. The give and take of politics is not natural to him, which is why he seems to bend with every wind, trying to adapt himself to the alien world of political competition. His ambition is so overweening and his goal so far above his real ability that he twists himself into a pretzel trying to be something he’s not. In a religious environment you deal with accepted dogma that everyone around you signs on to. In politics, dogma shifts with the wind and the audience.

            • 49 57andFemale
              November 26, 2011 at 8:49 am

              Very astute, Jackie. I don’t think we have to attribute some condition like Asperger’s to explain his awkwardness. I think he is typical of the privileged who see the world through their narrow prism and most damning, have no interest in expanding their knowledge and experience. Romney is spoiled, heartless, soul-less who cannot pretend that he cares about anyone but his privileged class.

        • 50 Puddin'
          November 25, 2011 at 10:35 pm

          This is an interesting observation…poor Willard!

        • 52 vitaminlover
          November 25, 2011 at 11:44 pm

          Very interesting. I really like that Our Beloved President is friendly and natural in his interactions. He does handle nuances AND he is very intelligent and has a high IQ yet is not challenged. What a blessing for him and us.

    • 53 Linda
      November 25, 2011 at 6:40 pm

      I agree 100%. He is very awkward .

      • 54 anniebella
        November 25, 2011 at 6:43 pm

        Willard Mitt Romney is a liar.

        • 55 HZ
          November 25, 2011 at 9:59 pm

          Yes, he certainly is a liar. He comes across as a person who has nothing to really say. He jumps on whatever and whichever wagon that comes along. He does not present himself like a man who has a ‘core’. He pulls your mind in all kinds of disconnected directions. This nation does not need that type of person.

          Also I do not see Willard Mitt Romney speaking to the heart of the young people of this country. He does not ignite that energy. It is like he does not see the young people, the seniors. Just watch him speak. Nothing there that pulls you in in a real way. He does not create any sparkle in people who want to move with a certain focus on real issues in our lives. He does not speak to my heart.

          He comes across as a person who could be very cold in his daily job for the people. He also comes across as a ‘power hungry’ person. I do not like that in a leader. Power is within your inner core, and if your heart is directed within to be responsible with that inner core, you will navigate the ship with true leadership and reach your destination with your soul intact. I need a real geniune, pure, refreshing, caring, and quiet but very firm in his beliefs President working in the Oval Office. And you know something, we already have him. President Barack Obama, and we will reelect him again in 2012.HZ

    • November 25, 2011 at 6:45 pm

      I noticed that too. I am laughing right now because of how he will look debating Pres.Obama who is never publicly rankled by anyone.

  12. 59 Linda
    November 25, 2011 at 6:49 pm

    Why is David Frum introduced as ” Bush Speech writer ” ? He worked for him for 11 months out of 8 years.

    • November 25, 2011 at 7:01 pm

      It’s his fifteen minutes, and CNN thinks it is his biggest accomplishment! Seriously!

    • 61 Bill
      November 25, 2011 at 7:06 pm

      David Frum has absolutely no sense of humor.

    • November 25, 2011 at 7:20 pm

      Linda, don’t you know that ‘titles’ count? It’s what gives us our identity in this world. You and I won’t ever BE ANYONE because we were not ‘(ex) governor P.; mayor; speech writer; former congressional aide; ….’ *snark*. It’s this obsession with seeking identity from association with the Washington movers and shakers that I think is behind the anger with the Obamas for not opening the White House more to the DC crowd. :mrgreen:

      • 63 Linda
        November 25, 2011 at 7:24 pm

        Awww….poor babies and their bruised egos.

      • 65 HZ
        November 25, 2011 at 9:43 pm

        Remember, President Obama said “Change has come to America,” and these people forget that Washington,DC is part of America, especially the WhiteHouse. Change has also come to the WhiteHouse. These people just do not want to accept the fact that President Obama will not waste precious time playing games. Our President is focus on getting a serious job done.

        These people need to grow up and start thinking like ‘real adults’ handling the peoples’ business. Thank God our President already knows just that. We will stand with him, beside him, at his back, and totally surround him with our due diligence in getting his job done.HZ

        • 66 vitaminlover
          November 25, 2011 at 10:40 pm

          Yes indeed, HZ. He is taking his job very seriously and means to accomplish what he set out to do. It is his nature.

    • 67 jacquelineoboomer
      November 25, 2011 at 7:25 pm

      I think David Frum made up some very familiar line that Bush used in a speech or something. Hence, his claim to fame.

      Kind of the way Peggy Noonan wrote one-liners for Reagan, I believe, and is now somebody we’re subjected to – as though she’s an expert.

  13. November 25, 2011 at 7:18 pm

    By Ramsey Cox – 11/25/11 03:54 PM ET
    Ohio Democrats plan to take full advantage of Black Friday’s holiday shopping traffic by asking voters to sign their petitions to force a referendum on what they described as a GOP “gerrymandered” congressional redistricting map.

    The Republican-controlled Ohio legislature approved new congressional district lines in September, but Democrats are gathering signatures for a November 2012 referendum. Democrats were given 90 days from the law’s signing, which ends on Christmas Day, to turn in more than 230,000 valid signatures.


  14. November 25, 2011 at 7:30 pm

    Who is this-

    Johnson threatens third-party run
    By Alexander Burns – 11/25/11 @ 6:41 PM ET
    The former governor tells the Santa Fe New Mexican he could seek the Libertarian Party nomination.


  15. 83 Fred
    November 25, 2011 at 7:36 pm

    we might have some actions on OUR part on the coast of Syria according to a call that I just received apparently 😯

  16. November 25, 2011 at 7:50 pm

    Eclectablog has a great post about people fighting over $2 waffle irons on Black Friday: http://goo.gl/tf6BC Notice the tags he attached: class warfare and idiots. Hehehehe

  17. November 25, 2011 at 8:06 pm

    Making Politics Safe for Rich White People Again
    by John Cole

    All you really need to know about Moderate Americans Elect is that they are basically the country-club Republicans who have been driven out of the GOP by the teahadist and talibangelical wings. They call themselves moderate, but they are basically the corporate wing of the former GOP. They’re down with laffer, tax cuts, gutting the safety net, and easing “burdensome” regulations. They’re ok with unfettered corporate greed, invading Iran, serving as Israel’s client state, and macing some fucking hippies who dare to stand around in front of Wall Street. They have a hard-on for the drug war and school vouchers.

    The only thing that separates them from the GOP is they don’t give a shit about gay marriage and they think all the anti-immigration stuff is bad for business, and they have some black friends so the racism of the GOP base embarrasses them. This is the party of Bloomberg, Bayh, Giuliani, Harold Ford, Blanche Lincoln, etc.


  18. 106 desertflower
    November 25, 2011 at 8:07 pm

    Fred…I want you to know that I’m not upset with you. If there is something that is about to go down, his telegraphing this info to you, and presumably others, may put these sailors at risk. He knows that. Could the reason WHY we haven’t heard anything about this is that is NOT MEANT for public knowledge yet? Please ask him to stop…unless this is NOT CLASSIFIED info. Normally, ships movements, especially in a volatile region, are not to be talked about.

    • November 25, 2011 at 8:14 pm

      Amen. I’d rather be safe than sorry about this whole situation. If we were meant to know, then we would. Now let’s say nothing more about.

    • 108 Fred
      November 25, 2011 at 8:20 pm

      I know that Desert so no need to apologize my friend.Yes I find this very peculiar that we haven’t heard anything yet and I pray this is not right.I am checking other sites as well and NADA
      I hope I’m being punked honestly.

      • November 25, 2011 at 8:31 pm

        Carrier movements in the Med + PBO playing a round of golf…you do the math.

      • 111 desertflower
        November 25, 2011 at 8:34 pm

        Well, like I said…we haven’t heard…for a reason. We will NOT hear, until the deed is done…or underway…whatever it may be. Why an FBI agent would try and “punk” you…well, that’s a question for another day. Don’t lose sleep over this. Say a little prayer,and know that PBO’s got this.Nothing more needs saying…don’t want those sailors in any more of a spot. Do NOT pass this along further.

  19. November 25, 2011 at 8:17 pm

    A little bit of history about PBO’s great grandparents. We probably already know it, but it is an interesting little read. It just makes me more proud that PBO became our president considering the odds against him.


  20. November 25, 2011 at 8:22 pm

    Accoding to my sister, fox news and hate radio keeps trying to smear the President, on his Thanksgiving day message.
    Apparetly, he only said GOD once, but that ain’t enough for the Puritans.
    Good grief!

    • 120 Fred
      November 25, 2011 at 8:24 pm

      Byron York was the first to moan about it 🙄

    • November 25, 2011 at 8:34 pm

      Those heathens and hypocrites at Fox are pathetic. The mere fact that they are criticizing PBO for this just shows what devils they are. I don’ t remember reading anywhere that God has to mentioned a certain number of times by a President on Thanksgiving or any other day. Maybe I missed this one. =))

      • November 26, 2011 at 12:59 am

        Thank you COS. They are of the devil thus that makes them the devil’s tools. In fact, if they really were so into God as they are always proclaiming, they would know that God warns about calling out his name. Also they can use God’s name a million times, if their hearts and deeds do not match up with His word, then they are nothing more than loud foolish, evil players for the evil devils that they are.

        These people are the most evildoers I have seen in that whole party. God said you will know them by their deeds. I have always said, “If you can’t balance it with the God’s word, then shut it up.” Just look how these people speak and act. Plus who died and left them in charge of being the Judge? So there on the evil hypocrites. HZ

    • November 25, 2011 at 8:40 pm

      Good. Get ’em pissed off and they might rally around one not-Romney. Mitt also has to get queasy every time religion is brought to the forefront during the GOP primary. Newt should be out in front calling the President a Godless Heathen.

      Only folks who get in a tissy about this stuff are folks who would have never voted for Pres Obama in a million years. But it could stir up the primary if they decide they need a true believer to their cause to bring God back into the White House.

      • 124 Ladyhawke
        November 25, 2011 at 9:02 pm


        At the intersection of ODS and Thanksgiving


        Obama Derangement Syndrome isn’t pretty.

        For one thing, the president specifically included a religious message in his proclamation. That really ought to be good enough for those desperate to see government officials use their offices to promote religiosity.

        For another, Mitt Romney, Newt Gingrich, and Rick Santorum also issued secular Thanksgiving statements, and for some reason, the right isn’t whining about this.

        Ultimately, though, religious people shouldn’t need elected officials to help them celebrate religious aspects of holidays in the first place. To make a fuss about this is absurd, even for conservatives.



        • 125 EDP4BHO
          November 25, 2011 at 9:40 pm

          Further, Thanksgiving has absolutely nothing to do with God. Supposedly, a meal shared by colonizers with people they eventually slaughtered. Where’s God’s hand in that? Those commentators are a bunch of lying, bigoted hypocrites.

    • 127 Lovepolitics2008
      November 25, 2011 at 9:48 pm

      They are sick. Full of hate, delusion, ignorance. The irony, or the sad thing I would say, is that President Obama is the one who is the true christian, in his actions, his heart and his soul. Instead of disparaging him, they should follow his example.

      • November 25, 2011 at 9:57 pm

        You would have thought with ’em being xtians and all would give PBO a day of zero hate. Shows you it is pure hate and nothing to do with religion. The GOP MSM so demonized him when he initially won because they were scared of his power that there is no reasoning with them.

      • 129 Puddin'
        November 25, 2011 at 11:26 pm

        These people are beyond sick…did you hear about the survey/poll taken in the “purple states”…”what do you think Obama was like in the FIFTH GRADE”? Supposedly, the answer was all over the place…he was smart, he was the teachers pet, he was a loner, blah, blah…there was no one thing that people liked about PBO…this is not good for PBO because “people” like to have one thing they can identify with…they can’t find nothing else, so they cme up with this bs…I tell yu, these people are beyon sick!

    • 131 Mae who love our CIC
      November 26, 2011 at 6:45 am

      Fox propaganda network’s behavior does not exemplify any attributes of God. The fact that they are fabricating a lie is their character and they are void of any decency. They are so pathetic, always bearing false witness against our President. Their deeds will not be unanswered. They will reap what they sow.

  21. November 25, 2011 at 8:25 pm

    Nuclear aircraft carrier USS George HW Bush has reportedly anchored off Syria. As an Arab League deadline to allow observers into the country passes with no response from Damascus, the possibility of intervention in Syria seems to be growing.
    The George H.W. Bush Carrier Strike Group along with additional naval vessels are to remain in the Mediterranean to conducting maritime security operations and support missions as part of Operations Enduring Freedom and New Dawn.The US 6th Fleet is also patrolling the area, Interfax news agency reports.
    Meanwhile, America and Turkey are urging their citizens to leave Syria. The US released a statement on Wednesday urging American citizens to “depart immediately while commercial transportation is available.”


    This is all I could find.

    • 134 desertflower
      November 25, 2011 at 8:36 pm

      Thank you, jovie.

    • 136 globalcitizenlinda
      November 25, 2011 at 9:42 pm

      BBC has been reporting extensively about the rapid developments now taking place in Syria and things do not look very good for Assad.

      A week or so ago, I made a comment here on TOD that the US media is ignoring the on-the-ground developments happening in Syria and that the American people will be caught unawares like they were when Tripoli in Lybia was quickly overun.

      BBC has been reporting the following happening inside Syrian :

      – opposition forces forming a united front and forming a shadow government and drawing up governance plans;

      – steady defectoins from the Syrian army by officers and rumour that whole brigades are waiting for signals to abandon ship;

      – army deserters refusing to fire on civilians and instead taking up arms, protecting demonstrators and attacking crucial governement milllitary installations including inside the Syrian capital Damascus ;

      – involvement of citizens from neighbouring countries who are crossing the border to go and help fight back against those conducting the brutal crack down;

      – Iranian regime elements divided with some helping direct the Syrian millitary offensive against the people and other Iranian regime elements meeting secretly with the Syrian opposition and activists as a way to hedge their bets against an uncertain future;

      I think the one thing we can say about Syria is to stay tuned for further developments

    • November 25, 2011 at 10:48 pm

      The info about the aircraft carrier parked close to Syria is false. The ship is docked at the French port of Marseilles. Please The Forbes writer who reported the false info, has retracted it. Let’s not spread the neo-cons fevered dreams.

      • 140 jacquelineoboomer
        November 25, 2011 at 10:58 pm

        zizi – I just found that, too. Used to work for the Navy so I went to http://www.navy.mil. Big photo of the carrier at Marseilles, with this caption:

        111125-N-XE109-028 MARSEILLES, France (Nov. 25, 2011) The aircraft carrier USS George H.W. Bush arrives in Marseilles, France, for a scheduled port visit. George H.W. Bush is on a scheduled deployment to the U.S. 6th Fleet area of responsibility. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist Seaman Brian Read Castillo/Released)


        • 141 jacquelineoboomer
          November 25, 2011 at 11:08 pm

          Here’s a little more, to ease minds:

          “USS George H.W. Bush (CVN 77) arrived in Marseille, France, Nov. 25, for its seventh liberty port of the ship’s first combat deployment … During the port call, officers and crew from the ship will meet with local officials and experience the rich history and culture of France. The ship’s Morale, Welfare and Recreation program have a variety of tours scheduled, to include overnight trips to Paris and the French Riviera, and the Command Religious Ministries Department scheduled several community relations opportunities, including soccer games with local schools and visits to children’s homes.”


      • November 26, 2011 at 12:31 pm

        Good Afternoon, Zizi & Jacque! Thanks for the correction. I don’t yet know who all the reliable sources are, so I often hold back when I see something I think might be informative. Confess that I usually try to stay away from ‘fevered dreams’. Apologies for the goof up here. 😦

  22. 143 Fred
    November 25, 2011 at 8:39 pm

    good night TOD family and thank you Jovie

  23. 146 Bobfr
    November 25, 2011 at 8:57 pm

    Our4thEstate Bobfr
    #99%ers – Elections = consequences; #NorquistPuppets proved it in 2010 & they have harmed YOU since; just like 2001-2009. VOTE #ZEROGOP2012

    Our4thEstate Bobfr
    #99%ers – Elections = consequences; #FOXBaggers proved it in 2010 & their GOP have harmed YOU since; just like 2001-2009. VOTE #ZEROGOP2012

    Our4thEstate Bobfr
    #99%ers – Elections = consequences; #KOCHMAFIA proved it in 2010 & their GOP have harmed YOU since; just like 2001-2009. VOTE #ZEROGOP2012

    Our4thEstate Bobfr
    #99%ers – Elections = consequences; #teabaggers proved it in 2010 & their GOP have harmed YOU since; just like 2001-2009. VOTE #ZEROGOP2012

    Our4thEstate Bobfr
    @OfficialCBC Adopt ZERO TOLERANCE – ZERO GOP elected to the WH, US Senate, House, State & Local Gvts in 2012 #ZEROGOP2012 #Protect99%ers

    Our4thEstate Bobfr
    @USProgressives Adopt ZERO TOLERANCE – ZERO GOP elected to the WH, US Senate, House, State & Local Gvts in 2012 #ZEROGOP2012 #Protect99%ers



    • 147 jacquelineoboomer
      November 25, 2011 at 9:54 pm

      I’ll go RT ’em, Bobfr! Thanks for all you do to get the message out.

      • 148 Bobfr (aka Our4thEstate)
        November 26, 2011 at 1:14 am

        Happy to help and thank you jacqueline for all the RTs!!!

        And, Chipsticks, thank you for noticing I’d failed to enter my contact info!!!! 🙂


  24. 149 globalcitizenlinda
    November 25, 2011 at 9:23 pm

    seeing the video of the First Lady and First kids receiving the tree took me down memory lane to last year and the other news item.

    approximately a year ago, the White House Christmas tree was being delivered on the same day that President Obama’s lip was hurt during the basket ball game.

    do you guys remember the media took a papparazi shot of PBO by the window and looking down to watch the Obama Ladies receive the tree? at that time he appeared to be holding a compression pack to his lip after it had been stiched.

    it is very good to see that PBO has healed well and that there is no obvious permanent scar left.

  25. November 25, 2011 at 9:45 pm

    Ot oh! Matt Damon
    is on this week, Sunday on abc.

  26. November 25, 2011 at 9:54 pm

    And Condy rice and Norquist all over the Sunday shows.

  27. 159 Pamela
    November 25, 2011 at 9:56 pm

    Looks to me as if Malia is taller than her mom, and in flat-heeled boots as well! What a lovely lovely girl! I love this family! Hi all, back from Australia, sort of!

  28. November 25, 2011 at 10:27 pm

    what were these idjits thinking fucking around with another country’s political bombs ?


  29. November 25, 2011 at 11:18 pm

    My local news reported that the mayor here in SoCal is giving the Occupy LA crowd until 12:01 tomorrow night o vacate the area where they are staying. I hope there is no more violence.

    • November 25, 2011 at 11:23 pm

      Mayor vilaragosa is one of the most liberal mayors in the Country. Why has the OWS picked all these liberal mayors cities to hangout at?

      • 165 hopefruit2
        November 25, 2011 at 11:43 pm

        Because OWS is a Libertarian movement designed to thwart any “Democratic” politician currently in power.

        • November 25, 2011 at 11:56 pm


          The Naomi Wolf who wrote the article rehashing the debunk Homeland Security story has ties to the tea party and Ron Paul. The more I see of these so-called leaders of the Occupy movement, the more I say no thanks.

          Here’s a video and article from the New Republic that will give anyone great pause about those leaders who latch on to the movement.
          In the article she compares the prez to Hitler.


          • 167 FiredUpInCA
            November 26, 2011 at 12:27 am

            Thanks for this important head’s up. What happened to Naomi Woolf? Her latest comments are becoming distressing:

            “JS: What about your warnings about concentration camps and martial law? How do they compare to conspiratorial fears about FEMA concentration camps?

            NW: With the FEMA rumor, I have heard some suggestive first-person accounts that some good reporters should follow up on. But until I see two well-documented sources of it, I can’t speak to it at all.”


            FEMA Camp paranoia? Seriously?

              • 169 FiredUpInCA
                November 26, 2011 at 10:42 am

                Wow. Thanks Desertflower. I don’t why I am very surprised and deeply disappointed with these Naomi Woolf quotes. I guess it is because the ideas that she articulated in “Shock Doctrine” matched my biases against the Bush administration’s overreach.

                But now and for the foreseeable future, between her FEMA paranoia and this sentence below, Naomi Woolf has zero credibility with me. Period:

                “In other words, for the DHS to be on a call with mayors, the logic of its chain of command and accountability implies that congressional overseers, with the blessing of the White House, told the DHS to authorise mayors to order their police forces – pumped up with millions of dollars of hardware and training from the DHS – to make war on peaceful citizens.”

                How did a reported phone call among mayors sharing information on how to maintain public order morph into DHS all of a sudden being on the call and “DHS [authorizing] mayors to order their police forces – pumped up with millions of dollars of hardware and training from the DHS – to make war on peaceful citizens.”

                That is so egregiously irresponsible for her to write something like that based on an Examiner.com article (which doesn’t go as far as she does.) Apparently it does not bother her that anyone, absolutely anyone, can write for Examiner.com yet she goes all in on her paranoid conspiracy theory based on an article from an online broadsheet.

                She is in a sad state at the moment.

          • November 26, 2011 at 12:38 am

            They fo it to both parties. These people do not like politics and every generation(1968 was the last uprising) they let all politicians know that they don’t like them-


            15k anarchists expected at republican convention in September. That is a whole bunch. I hope they don’t do this to the President!

            • 171 jacquelineoboomer
              November 26, 2011 at 1:18 am

              Aren’t these the same kind of protest movements that have been going on at every “world summit” type thing in Europe and beyond for years and years? I think it’s just infiltrated our country, in this overarching way? I’m not diminishing a crowd of 15K, but I don’t think it will bring our country down … just cause major headaches, all around.

              These things usually have shelf lives (or at least go away until the next big venue they can latch onto), but not sure in this case how long it’ll be. I wish people would USE THEIR VOTE, but – for some reason, to most Americans – that’s just not as sexy. And even if we vote, there’s so much money in politics people are sick of it, and these kinds of “revolutions” will only prosper.

              I think I need sleep, to keep from rambling! G’night.

  30. November 26, 2011 at 2:53 am

    G’night, Miss O. Thanks for the great NAVY info; very clever of you to research. Hope the sailors will enjoy Marseilles; it is a beautiful seaport.

  31. 173 FiredUpInCA
    November 26, 2011 at 3:14 am

    I am appalled to report that both of the pepper-spraying incidents making headlines recently, namely the one at UC Davis and at Walmart on Black Friday, happened in my state.

    This spray can be fatal to those with asthma, to the elderly and toddlers.

    Below is a link to “Everything You Need To Know About How Painful Pepper Spray In One Simple Graphic.”

    From the link:

    A Scoville Heat Unit is used to measure the chemical “heat” produced by a pepper when it comes into contact with the human body, particularly the eyes, mouth or nose. Most people gag on jalapenos which only have a maximum rating of 8000. Habaneros cause people to break down and weep and they have a maximum of 350,000. The weak pepper spray available to the public starts at two million Scovilles while the heavy duty stuff used by the police tops out at 5.3 million Scovilles.


    Chiles and cayenne are hot in my book but they are only 750 Scovilles and 50,000 Scovilles, respectively.

    Imagine being directly blasted with pepper spray ranging between 2 – 5 million Scovilles.

  32. 175 Chi
    November 26, 2011 at 3:15 am

    How did a perfectly lovely post with pictures and videos of our gorgeous First Lady and her beautful daughters recieving the White House Christmas tree devolve so quickly…

  33. 176 globalcitizenlinda
    November 26, 2011 at 8:22 am

    Morning everyone!

    Heads up about PBO today

    Published: Friday, November 25, 2011, 11:13 PM Updated: Saturday, November 26, 2011, 1:09 AM
    By John Hunt, The Oregonian The Oregonian

    APMichelle Obama will watch her brother’s team in person again.

    President Obama and the First Family will be at the Towson Center on Saturday to watch the Oregon State basketball team take on Towson.

    OSU coach Craig Robinson, brother of Michelle Obama, took the Beavers (4-1) to the White House on Friday as part of a 10-day East Coast trip that began with the Legends Classic in East Rutherford, N.J., and will end with their first meeting with Towson.

    source: http://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/index.ssf/2011/11/oregon_state_beavers_basketbal_15.html

  34. November 26, 2011 at 8:32 am

    Here is some good reading this morning-

    WASHINGTON—A year from Election Day, Democrats are crafting a campaign strategy for Vice President Joe Biden that targets the big three political battlegrounds: Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Florida, states where Biden might be more of an asset to President Barack Obama’s re-election campaign than the president himself.

    The Biden plan underscores an uncomfortable reality for the Obama team. A shaky economy and sagging enthusiasm among Democrats could shrink the electoral map for Obama in 2012, forcing his campaign to depend on carrying the 67 electoral votes up for grabs in the three swing states.

    Obama won all three states in 2008. But this time he faces challenges in each, particularly in Ohio and Florida, where voters elected Republican governors in the 2010 midterm elections.


    Good morning!

    • 178 globalcitizenlinda
      November 26, 2011 at 8:38 am

      these news reports omit two glaring facts namely (i) PBO is polling higher than the GOP in these states and (ii) that the GOP governors who were elected in 2010 now have VERY low approval ratings a year into their term.

      on the ground in these states, conditions in Nov 2010, Nov 2011 and Nov 2012 vary greatly

      • 179 globalcitizenlinda
        November 26, 2011 at 9:08 am

        I am also wondering about the phrase used “sagging enthusiasm among Democrats”???? Chips just highlighted this week the actual numbers about President Obama’s base and how unwaverinf it is. I thought that article in particular pointed out that the common beltway ‘wisdom’ about PBO’s lack of core support was outdated or misguided or false

        • November 26, 2011 at 9:37 am

          When the campaign leaks that Biden will be going to Ohio , Florida and Pennsylvania, they dont expect the current meme Obama can’t connect.
          That ain’tmessinas fault, that is shoddy reporting!

  35. 181 Linda
    November 26, 2011 at 8:37 am

    Good Morning…..

    Is anyone watching Chris Hayes ? His stutter drives me crazy. This morning they were talking about the disgruntled left and he gave high marks to Glen Greenwald for his take on it.


    • November 26, 2011 at 9:03 am

      Good Morn TODers!

      I wish when giving these opinions these hosts would reveal that people like GG are not Democrats but Libertarians.

      It frustrates me that still after all the push back they’ve been getting they still report that Ppl such as GG speak for the the democratic party as a whole.

  36. 186 Linda
    November 26, 2011 at 9:10 am

    This country has devolved to the ridiculous when the media is making announcements for Presidential Candidates ” Book Signings” while on the “campaign trail”.

    Today Gingrich will be at a “book signing” in Naples Florida and Bachmann will be at a “book signing” in Iowa.

  37. 188 Ceb
    November 26, 2011 at 9:12 am

    Good morning everyone

    I was channel surfing this morning and came to a segment with Tom Browkaw selling another book on the Today show. I stopped watching anything that featured him soon after he retired. Why/hownhas he become such a curmudgeon and a fuddy-duddy? Back in th day he was personable and had a wry sense of humor. I cannot stand watching him now.

    • 189 Linda
      November 26, 2011 at 9:18 am

      I have to agree….his “Special” on Baby Boomers was just awful and not based in reality.

      • 190 jacquelineoboomer
        November 26, 2011 at 1:28 pm

        His Baby Boomers book was not worth reading. I don’t think his interviews for the book were anything much. Plus, I am an original Baby Boomer, lived it, and had no need to live it again through his boring eyes!

    • November 26, 2011 at 9:56 am

      He was actually fired by the bush team, who contacted their buddies at GE, as he questioned going into the Iraq war.
      The only journalist who questioned the move and he was fired!
      Shows you how things have changed, maybe the press is having a catharsis! Lol!

  38. 192 Ceb
    November 26, 2011 at 9:21 am

    Ugh, typing on my iPad that wants to do its own spelling. This should read “Why/how he has become…”

  39. November 26, 2011 at 10:04 am

    NBA owners and players reached a tentative agreement early Saturday to end the 149-day lockout and hope to begin the delayed season on Christmas Day.

    Neither side provided many specifics but said the only words players and fans wanted to hear.

    “We want to play basketball,” Commissioner David Stern said.

    After a secret meeting earlier this week, the sides met for more than 15 hours Friday, working to try to save the season. This handshake deal, however, still must be ratified by both owners and players.

    Stern said it was “subject to a variety of approvals and very complex machinations, but we’re optimistic that will all come to pass and that the NBA season will begin Dec. 25.”

    Barring a change in scheduling, the 2011-12 season will open with the Boston Celtics at New York Knicks, followed by Miami at Dallas in an NBA finals rematch before MVP Derrick Rose and Chicago close the tripleheader against Kobe Bryant and the Lakers.

    The league plans a 66-game season and aims to open training camps Dec. 9. Stern has said it would take about 30 days from an agreement to playing the first game.

    “All I feel right now is ‘finally,'” Dwyane Wade told The Associated Press.

    Just 12 days after talks broke down and Stern declared the NBA could be headed to a “nuclear winter,” he sat next to union executive director Billy Hunter to announce the deal.

    “We thought it was in both of our interest to try to reach a resolution and save the game and to be able to provide the mind of superb entertainment the NBA historically has provided,” Hunter said.


    Glory be!

  40. 195 globalcitizenlinda
    November 26, 2011 at 10:12 am

    Pakistan in the news cycle again: reports that NATO helicopters have killed 25 or 28 Pakistan soldiers and that the movement of supplies along the borders is now refused.

    waiting for verification and further developments on this headline news

    • November 26, 2011 at 10:22 am

      Me thinks, this will give the prez an excuse to get even more troops out of their before the election.
      He is not going to solve this, as he gets zero support from the media and most Americans.
      Now, their is a NATO meeting in may, that is when additional plans are to be drawn up.
      I would not be surprised to see a more counter terrorism plan as well as trainers.
      Instead of this nation building. Nation building is impossible! Pakistan is now a hostile country snd needs to be watched.

  41. 197 Shafeeqah V. Smith
    November 26, 2011 at 11:07 am

    Let us all pray that Malia and Sasha remain on the straight and narrow. May The Almighty always watch over, guard, and protect them and keep them strong, secure, and safe!

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