rise and (sunday) shine


Ah, consistency.

Thanks Tracy – as seen at Political Carnival


Will catch up later today, chat away 😉

304 Responses to “rise and (sunday) shine”

  1. 1 nintendowii10
    November 6, 2011 at 7:31 am

    Good morning ALL!

    • November 6, 2011 at 1:42 pm

      Hi all I don’t post often but I saw this old video of Obama some time ago and since you are posting old videos of him I thought you might like to see this one. To be honest I can not remember if I saw it here first but it is one of my favorites. It is him at Nick’s English Pub. http://youtu.be/qBI8IcrV6sk

      • 3 Sue in Minnesota
        November 6, 2011 at 3:48 pm

        Thank you so much for sharing that 3ddriver, I never see crowd reactions from Republican candidates that even begin to replicate the excitement, energy and enthusiasm that PBO inspires.

  2. 5 Marlz (@marjgra)
    November 6, 2011 at 7:32 am

    Good Morning.. TOD Family.

    • 6 Marlz (@marjgra)
      November 6, 2011 at 7:34 am

      Bringing over Donna’s comment from the last thread as I too had some serious concerns. If this is the case, I feel much better.
      Thank you Donna .. .

      donna dem 4 obama
      November 6, 2011 at 7:22 am

      Good Morning TOD,
      I’m up early because honestly I did not sleep well after seeing that “effigy” thing when I checked in here on the blog last night. I’ve been up doing some investigating to see why on earth they would do such a thing.

      Apparently OWS believes that the Obama Administration is going to give some kind of immunity to bankers for illegally throwing Americans out of their homes. I don’t know what that is about and this is the first that I am hearing of this. So they decided to have a march (http://occupywallst.org/article/occupy-wall-street-obama-dont-be-big-banks-puppet-/) yesterday and the “theme” apparently was “don’t be Wall Street’s puppets”. The “effigy” is a supposed to be a puppet. He was not “hung” in effigy. My blood pressure went right through the roof when I saw that mess last night. It was still stupid for all the nasty, negative symbolism that an effigy has but I was relieved to see that the intent was different than I had imagined. Although the Facebook page for this event is pure Obama Hate. OWS is a good cause with awful methods (with a few exceptions) to effect change IMO. Sigh!!!

      On a more positive note…It was a very good day at OFA. Lots of people showed up and we made GOTV calls to Democratic voters in Ohio with overwhelming positive response. I also made some local calls for the President’s jobs bill. I had a very good discussion with one of the Precinct Captains about the obstacles to voters that OWS may present next year (especially the youth). They are fully aware and will be doing a major grassroots outreach to Hispanics, AA’s and Youth all across the country but especially in the battleground states. The voter registration drives that we are going to be gearing up to do will be unprecedented. Based on what I heard yesterday, I believe that for every OWS participant who thinks voting is meaningless we will replace them with someone who sees the value in voting. #YESWECAN.

      OFA is doing a phenomenal job on the ground putting things into place for next year’s election. Please consider a $5.00 donation today because your contributions will help OFA build on what they have already started.

      • 7 donna dem 4 obama
        November 6, 2011 at 7:51 am

        Thanks for bringing it over Martz.
        Here is the sign that went with the puppet image: http://www.daylife.com/photo/02809NQ1GZbeP?__site=daylife

      • November 6, 2011 at 8:14 am

        Whenever, I see something this negative/upsetting about President Obama, I go to the internet and make another donation. Thanks the link.

        • 9 donna dem 4 obama
          November 6, 2011 at 8:38 am

          Thank you William!!!!

        • November 6, 2011 at 8:59 am

          That’s the thing, William. We all have to do this, as a reflex action–even if the amount is small. Maybe someone on the R side will get the point. They do or say something nasty about PBO and his coffers grow. Simple equation that even one of the blighted R candidates could understand.

      • November 6, 2011 at 8:37 am

        I have read reports of the ongoing deal. Initial reports are that banks would pay out at least $20 billion but in exchange they want release from liability or partial immunity or something. As always, I will wait to see the actual deal if there is one because I don’t trust liberal news outlets anymore. But I know this, even if the deal ends up being fair and helps millions, the lie that Obama is giving banks full immunity is already out there and will be pimped for as long as possible. No matter what the facts.

        • 12 symmetry11
          November 6, 2011 at 9:16 am

          If they don’t want the banks to have immunity, then they need to be talking with the States attorney generals. They are the ones trying to broker a foreclosure deal with the banks.

          • November 6, 2011 at 10:40 am

            Bingo! And apparently immunity for criminal activities is not on the table.


            One other thing OWS needs to understand is that while what the banks did was sleazy many of their practices before Dodd-Frank were not illegal.

            This is what I’m talking about when it comes to OWS being directionless. They’re not informed about what’s actually in the potential final deal. They’re not clear who’s pushing for the deal and they don’t understand the difference between unethical and illegal. Don’t mean to broadbrush but if you want to be taken seriously at least know what you’re talking about.

      • November 6, 2011 at 8:53 am

        Marlz–This is great feedback about Ohio. It’s action and energy like yours that will make a difference. As I’ve said many times, there is nothing going on that OFA in Chicago doesn’t know about. They have their pulse on every development and we’re fortunate to be part of that. I do think that if the OWS people go too far in demonizing the president there will be a very big backlash and a revulsion from many young people. Because, in the end, what will be the alternative? A 100 proof Wall Street millionaire, like Romney? The revolting, vomit-inducing Newt? Or, one of an assortment of idiots, from Perry, to Cain. People in general may like the idea of the 99 percent, but there are many who recoil at extremism because it makes them feel uncomfortable. I believe these “Aren’t we outrageous,” over-the-top stunts by OWS are going to hurt them.

      • November 6, 2011 at 10:12 am

        Made my small donation Donna. Thanks for all you do.

      • November 6, 2011 at 10:16 am

        Mornin’ Marlz,

        I reported this, along w/these two links, to attackwatch.com: (It also has a Twitter account… @attackwatch. By the way, attack watch is located on TOD’s sidebar, too.)


        And, of course, I donated to PBHO’s Re-election Campaign! 😉

        YES.WE.CAN…DO.(Much)More, Together!
        PRESS ON!

      • 19 EDP4BHO
        November 6, 2011 at 11:43 am

        Shall do so today !

      • 20 theo67
        November 6, 2011 at 1:37 pm

        Thanks for doing additional research, Donna. I was livid last night when I saw that picture, and none of the OWS folks on twitter (in my circle) were explaining what this was about. I still don’t like it. But the truth is, even with this better explanation, they are busy focusing on President Obama instead of focusing on the Republicans who are trying to stop the regulations from being implemented in the financial reforms, and blocking the nomination of the CFPA director, and protecting the bankers from even seeing a slight increase in their taxes in order to help the country. OWS can’t seriously think that getting a $20B settlement from the banks for the foreclosure scandal is a bigger sin in their eyes than what the GOP is doing – and what they’re promising to do once they get into office! I doubt that a large majority of these OWS folks have picked up the phone to call Congress to demand real change across any of these real pieces of action that would address Wall Street irresponsibility, or even to demand passage of the AJA.

        This effigy/puppet nonsense is just another example of the waste of energy in this movement, and the misguidedness of these young people who could actually be making a real difference in the causes that they so clearly care about. Instead, they are focusing their anger on the one person who has been consistently working on their behalf, making significant progress even in the face of a complete wall of obstruction. That puppet should have been of the GOP, or their puppet master – Grover Norquist. A puppet wouldn’t have passed the toughest financial reforms in the history of this country. A puppet wouldn’t have demanded $20 Billion from BP to make sure the 99% in the gulf coast would see real help – all the while the GOP was apologizing to BP. A puppet wouldn’t have found a way to have Elizabeth Warren set up the CFPA even while the GOP was treating her in a vile fashion. A puppet wouldn’t have used the words “American Jobs Act” in every public statement and appearance since releasing the plan. And a puppet wouldn’t have made his very first act to pass the Stimulus Plan which saved millions of jobs,even at great political cost to himself.

        These OWS folks need to get educated and then need to get organized. Otherwise, they’re part of the problem.

  3. 23 Ladyhawke
    November 6, 2011 at 7:32 am


    Candidates the GOP Deserves

    Republicans are unhappy with their options. But the lousy GOP candidates perfectly reflect the party’s absence of ideas, says Michael Tomasky.


    I hope we all agree now, even those of you on the Koch brothers’ payroll, that the current crop of Republican candidates leaves a bit to be desired. This week Joe Klein came up with “the Republican Romper Room,” which is about as apt as anything I’ve seen. What I haven’t seen yet is a theory of why they’re so lame. So here it is: they’re lousy candidates with no ideas because they’re in a party that doesn’t care about ideas. Indeed, actual ideas about actually solving the country’s actual problems would constitute sedition in today’s GOP. Fortunately for the candidates, none of them are in remote danger of being hauled before the bench.
    Yes, the field is lame. And the problem is not individual shortcomings of these particular candidates. The problem is the party they’re in, and what they have to do, say, and stand for to have a chance to become its nominee. This fish rots from the tail up.



  4. 24 Ladyhawke
    November 6, 2011 at 7:42 am

    The Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad Conservative Reactions to Herman Cain’s Sex Scandal

    When news broke last Sunday that GOP presidential hopeful Herman Cain had been accused of multiple instances of workplace sexual harassment in the 1990s, conservatives had the opportunity to reevaluate their opinion of the candidate and his fitness for the highest office. Instead, reactions broke down roughly into two camps: those who saw nothing but a racist witch-hunt from the liberal media and those who took the opportunity to dispute and belittle the existence of sexual harassment in the first place. Of course, these two diatribes aren’t mutually exclusive, and some particularly ambitious pundits took pains to voice both. But judge for yourself: Here’s a list of the worst reactions to the scandal thus far.


      • 26 nospin
        November 6, 2011 at 9:51 am

        “Republican voters, it seems: between Sunday and Thursday, Cain raised $1 million in donations, compared to the $2.5 million he’d raised in the entire second quarter of the race.”

        Didn’t I say that this drama about Cain would only serve to increase his standing for the next few weeks?

        It isn’t because anyone believes he is remotely qualified, it is because they are pissed off. Cain = Sarah Palin. When we get closer to the nomination, there may be a shift. But the more the media or high level Republicans attempt to vilify him, the longer he will last.

        I think it could not happen to a better group of folks. They are so reaping what they decided to sow.

    • November 6, 2011 at 8:55 am

      This is why women voters have to be informed and rise up and say we’re mad and we’re not taking this crap anymore. I’d love to see the male/female divide in support for Cain.

  5. 28 Ceb
    November 6, 2011 at 7:46 am

    Good morning Chips and TOD family,

    Thanks for the video. PBO has no problem with being consistent because he says what he means and really believes and he is who he says he is. When one tells the truth, he can relax and go forward. It is easy to remember what he has said because he has been saying it and writing about it all of his adult life. One of the reasons that some remain skeptical is that they have been lied to so long and by so many in public life; been disappointed so often, that they are afraid to be hurt again. They think, “this guy can’t be as good as he sounds.”. They are waiting for the scandal or the awful misjudgment that will confirm their skepticism. But as promise after promise is kept, as more see his consistency and realize that with the president, what you see is what you get, more will come on board to support the only champion that we have, Barack Hussein Obama.

    Obama/Biden 2012

    • 29 Betsy
      November 6, 2011 at 10:17 am

      I noticed the same thing. Consistency. It is true that people don’t trust consistency anymore because it’s been a long time since we’ve had leadership as consistent as PBO’s. I was struck with that video from 2004 because what he was saying then, is what he is saying now, in 2011. That is amazing! That’s honesty. It’s a shame that this isn’t being written about. When you read the comments in the Daily Beast article from Thomsky, you see that the Republicans’ consistency with their “ideas” have totally brainwashed the regular average Repub, so they can’t see what’s really going on. They don’t see the lies and distortions. This comes from years of watching the consistent bashing of all things democratic in FOX news, and the trajectory is going the FOX way, just look at CNN and MSNBC and you see this happening. We have to fight back against all of it, by writing these news organization and demanding better reporting, just to name one thing we could all do here.

      • November 6, 2011 at 12:25 pm

        Hi Betsey,
        I do understand your anger and frustration with the media and the feeling that ‘we have to fight back’. That’s a feeling that’s often expressed here at TOD and one of the strategies we are putting in place is to develop, and use, the contacts we have at the local level. Several people here feel that greater impact can be had through the media if when we read false news we react by setting the story straight through our local media – sort of like the President does when he gives interviews to regional reporters.

        A couple of decisions we have more or less discussed following are –

        a) To simply state the truth about whatever the issue is WITH relevant supporting information (In other words we won’t necessarily call them liars. We’ll put the truth out there to balance their lies. Be that a letter to the editor, comment in their comment section, email, phone call, whatever, …)

        b) To follow up with genuine thank you responses when a media type does broadcast truth. Our reasoning is that this will encourage them to be truthful as well as notify them that there is a (growing?) sector of their audience that welcomes real news. Also, this helps us to focus on the positive as well as we do the negative.

        c) To send good political news that impact our local areas TO our local media when they don’t seem aware of it / haven’t shared it.

        I have to tell you that we have already had more than one report of family members here trying these strategies with excellent results! 😆 This is an area in which I, for one, anticipate participation will increase over the next 12 months to the point where we’ll grow in numbers AND make a credible impact!

        If you are interested in this approach, and if you haven’t already done so, you could sign up at our States list. It’s run by WiW from her blog:-


        • 31 a4alice
          November 6, 2011 at 3:18 pm

          Totally and there’s only two of us on for minnesota. There’s just gotta be more people from MN than just little old me and Sue from MN. And I see there’s nobody from Wisconsin signed up. That’d be awesome because of all the stuff that is happening over there.

          Go over there and tell linda to put yez on her listy list. 🙂

  6. November 6, 2011 at 7:50 am

    On Tuesday the entire statehouse in NJ is up for reelection and it is being played as a referendum on Christie. He is only campaigning in areas where repubs are likely to win. He is basically taking a hands off approach so he can say it wasn’t about him. What I have noticed, however, is the large amounts of money being spent on these elections. Also, if these local elections are a harbinger of what is to come, next year is going to be very nasty. The ads are overwhelmingly negative. But the worst is the ad being run by the repub. here in Cape May, NJ,against the dem. It claims the dem. hired an “Obama community organizer” from Atlantic City to register voters and is being investigated for fraud. Of course, there is a picture of black man who is the organizer. At the end it claims these are “Acorn tactics”. All the buzz words playing to the racists down here— The dem is polling ahead of the repub. and hopefully will win.

    • 33 donna dem 4 obama
      November 6, 2011 at 7:57 am

      Good luck Diane. I wish your state all the best. I hope every Dem in the state comes out a winner on Tuesday.

    • 35 theo67
      November 6, 2011 at 1:50 pm

      It’s amazing how many people feel an affinity with these racist tactics, and some even repeat these vile words in public. The GOP want more minorities in their party, but they still go about issuing racist statements. You’d think more people would be ashamed to associate with this kind of nonsense. And some of them have children who are seeing all this. Shameful.

  7. 36 Ladyhawke
    November 6, 2011 at 7:52 am

    Why We Should Get Used to This Year’s Endless Slog of Presidential Debates


  8. November 6, 2011 at 8:05 am

    Nate Silver- I don’t know about his calculations, but most pOlls show the President either tied or ahead.
    Nate says, the Prez only has a 17% chance of winning.
    That means, by his calculations, the polls should have the republicans ahead by double digits and counting!
    I only bring it up, because I just saw it on cspan and all the tea baggers called in with glee!
    Anyways, how you doin?

    • November 6, 2011 at 8:55 am

      That 17% came from a chart of possible scenario’s with different candidates. Silver says if there is no growth in GDP and with Obama’s approval rating as it is right now in November 2011 then Romney has an 83% chance of winning. But you don’t need to be a statistician to know that that model doesn’t even factor in their personalities, policies and a full fledged campaign.


      • November 6, 2011 at 9:03 am

        Even in the fall of 2008, Nate had PBO losing some weeks and winning others based on the electoral college count. He knows better than anyone else that prediction numbers are volatile day by day and month by month, let alone a year n advance. Nate got a lot of attention with his little column. Many hits, good name recognition. Mission accomplished.

        • 42 Betsy
          November 6, 2011 at 10:27 am

          Ever since he got the job at the NYTimes he’s been posting columns that attract Republicans because his slant has been on their side. Because he called the election for PBO in 2008, he has credibility because it was the statistics (science) that led to his prediction. Now, he’s able to do what he wants with those statistics. Unfortunately, many dems will fall for it. I’m afraid they won’t vote because they won’t see how much it matters.

          • November 6, 2011 at 10:43 am

            Most dems have no idea who Nate Silver is so I doubt they’ll fall for anything.

          • November 6, 2011 at 11:49 am

            Sadly, though, Nate’s predictions for the House and Senate were spot on in 2010. I hated the way he was writing at that time, pandering to his pay-masters, but his science was solid. I do have to say that his current theory doesn’t pass a sniff test. As much as I want to completely discount Nate Silver now that he’s writing for the NYT, it’s in our best interest to pay attention to his numbers and predictions for Congress. Congressional elections aren’t tied to the GDP or the economy, or even approval ratings.

      • 45 theo67
        November 6, 2011 at 2:08 pm

        The single question is: even with slow GDP growth, what plans have the GOP put forward that would grow the economy in the near term (or long term, for that matter). We’ve had steady growth for the past 20 months under President Obama, even with obstruction from the GOP. The so-called “forgotten 15” no-jobs bills that the GOP is crying about will actually destroy jobs, plus destroy the clean air and environment.

        So, when I hear the likes of Nate saying that the President will lose in a bad economy, but failing to discuss the alternative plans that will be ushered in – I just ask: can people be that stupid?

  9. 46 Fred
    November 6, 2011 at 8:12 am

    morning TOD family

  10. 47 dotster3
    November 6, 2011 at 8:22 am

    GOPMTP’s David Gregory just bristled when Lester Holt on Today mentioned that Obama’s poll numbers were up a bit lately, so GOPGregory came back with the GOPstatement that Obama will not be able to run on his record!!! Then he selectively went down a GOPdoomsday list without bothering to mention any of his accomplishments. A complete partisan smear. And now they’re actually giving Rev. Wright another whirl. Desperation!

    • November 6, 2011 at 8:28 am

      Ok, this is where the rnc does a better job than the dnc. Somehow, someday, DWS has to do better at getting our message out and develop some relationships with the press.
      Right now, the Press is dominated by the GOP message.
      Even online, this weekend several articles about the President being a one term President. Several! Thus, That takes coordination.

      • 49 hopefruit2
        November 6, 2011 at 8:35 am

        The media IS the Republican party – it stands to reason their “reporting” will be nothing more than GOP propaganda. The media is essentially campaigning for the Republicans and have been doing so since Jan 2009.

        Contrary to the popular but false meme about “poor” messaging on the part of the administration, PBO has achieved success in breaking through the media filter and getting his message directly to the people. It takes an extraordinary amount of discipline and co-ordination to get this done.

        • November 6, 2011 at 8:56 am

          Exactly, Hope.

          I don’t see the media as any other entity other than the fact (to me) that it is part of the Republican Party. The eveidence of their negative coverage of PBO is out there. Witness the PEW report that PBO gets only 9 percent positive coverage from the media. And this is inspite of all of his major accomplishments. Any other president would have been hailed!!

          Every time something significant happens, they seek ways to assign the credit to someone else. And we are seeing some make extra effort to claim that the important decisions that yielded successful outcomes is the result of LUCK. Roger Cohen ( NYT foreign news reporter) said this before a while back in a piece that BWD had up, which I wrote him and took issue with, then of late Tweety is spewing that mess. They refuse to give him his just due, and when they do, it is done begrudgingly.

          I believe they know that he has performed spectacularly in these extraordinarily times, but they just can’t bring themselves to let him shine brighter than the folks before him, many of whom tried to get done what he has successfully achieved, with very little help from people in government, sometimes on both sides.

          • November 6, 2011 at 9:04 am

            And yet conservatives complain about the liberal media and what it is doing to Cain.
            Msm is rabid!

          • 60 dotster3
            November 6, 2011 at 11:45 am

            I always notice that when there is good news re. Obama which the media is forced to report because it is huge and staring them in the face, like bin Laden’s demise etc., they ALWAYS add a “but” to that reporting. A “but” followed by diminishing the good news or adding some negative news. They are never able to just report the good news, just the facts, without an attempt to slant it in a less positive direction. Again, it’s shameful and a dereliction of duty.

          • 61 nathkatun7
            November 6, 2011 at 8:55 pm

            Hopefruit & Africa: I want to thank you for your excellent comments. This meme that the Obama administration is failing in messaging is completely hogwash. The media is in cahoots with the GOP to defeat President Obama. Sadly, the two entities (GOP and MSM) have been joined by PL and some well placed Clinton loyalists. The record of the President’s achievements is not a secret. The fact that the media does not cover it says more about the interests of the media than it says about WH messaging. For example: in the papers here in Southern California (SD Union and LA Times) the President’s G20 meetings and the reception he received in France were barely covered. This is another proof that the “PEW report,” was spot on. The mainstream media are not interested in covering positive news about President Obama. I am convinced that the President’s poll numbers would be even worse than they are if he didn’t go around the media by directly communicating with the people through his speeches, tours and town hall meetings. It is no wonder the so called National media are so pissed that the president bypassed them to deliver his message by talking to local media.

            I’ve been around for some time, and I’ve never witnessed such hostility against a president who has done nothing scandalous. It is true the media bumped heads with Nixon, but on the whole, Nixon’s achievements were prominently covered by the media. Besides, I don’t remember Nixon being asked questions completely taken from Democratic political talking points. I saw the Press conference the President held after the G20 meetings. Most of the questions by the WH Press corp were about his re-election and when is he going to give in to the Republican agenda. Very few questions dealt with the substance of the problems being addressed by the G20.

      • November 6, 2011 at 8:35 am

        The reason there is so much coordination between Repugs and the press is because the former owns and operates the latter. The press carries GOP water.

      • November 6, 2011 at 9:00 am

        The Media is owned by Conservative CEO’s. The MSM is conditioned and used to Republicans and a Republican controlled Washington. Its not about messaging from the DNC. Their bias is already built in. Democrats are still raising more money and they have far more boots on the ground than the RNC. These cable folks can say all they want, Democrats are talking to local people who watch HSN and football on Sundays not David Gregory’s dried up behind.

        • 66 theo67
          November 6, 2011 at 2:16 pm

          This is true – and with the REAL grassroots movement from OFA, the real people who are reached by Democratic messaging each actually get one vote. The grassroots strategy is the smartest thing about the Obama campaign, because it looks at real people, real results and making real connections. It gets people to the polls. It ignores hype and publicity, and focuses on reaching and educating individual voters. This makes it harder for radio and TV ads and lies to take effect, because people have trusted neighbors and friends to go to for the truth. That’s why it’s so important to have the facts at the ready (like Tien Le yesterday), and to be kind when talking to those who are uninformed or misinformed, if they look like they’ll be open to the truth, and to move on when encountering someone who’s brain is like a brick wall and won’t be moved.

      • November 6, 2011 at 10:52 am

        Start visiting your local media to make sure they’re getting the message. DWS can wine and dine these folks and give them the absolute truth but if their Republican corporate masters say no then they are not going to cover it. I suspect she’s working on it but It takes time to rewire a media that has been hardwired to GOP talking points for over 30 years.

    • 68 nintendowii10
      November 6, 2011 at 8:30 am

      Oh sure Mr. Gregory, PBO won’t be able to run on more job creation during his Presidency than during Bush.

      PBO won’t be able to run on taking the first steps to overhaul our broken healthcare system.

      PBO won’t be able to run on killing Osama bin Laden and many Al Qaeda deputies.

      PBO won’t be able to run on repealing DADT.

      PBO won’t be able to run on getting us out of Iraq and Afghanistan.

      What the hell place do these pundits/talking heads come from? No wonder virtually NO ONE watches them!

    • November 6, 2011 at 8:31 am

      What?! Where did rev wright come from?! That’s like 2007/2008 stuff! What?! David Gregory is a total ass.

    • 74 Fred
      November 6, 2011 at 8:32 am

      you have to wonder if Wright was the one who pushed Cain to harass these ladies?This is beyond desperation really since it has NOTHING to do with Cain being an asshole 🙄

      to borrow Waters’s phrase;I did quite a few “unleashing” against these arseholes on tweeter to the point that I got banned.Might be a blessing in disguise 🙄

      • 75 hopefruit2
        November 6, 2011 at 8:38 am

        Did he actually link the two in speculation? If so, that is a racist speculation – pure and simple. No other way to spin it.

        Rev Wright has NOTHING to do with Herman Cain – yet Gregory makes a stretch to link the two? How come he didn’t say maybe Vitter, Sanford or Clinton pushed Cain to harass those ladies? Gregory needs to retract this speculation – it’s offensive.

        • 76 nathkatun7
          November 6, 2011 at 9:42 pm

          Well, hopefruit, Gregory’s comments are typical white supremacist drivel. These so called journalists/ political pundits say nothing about bigoted white preachers who supported McCain, many of who are now supporting Perry, Cain, and the rest of the GOP candidates. Yet, they never let go of attacking President Obama by association; and despite the fact that President Obama painfully cut his ties from his former pastor. By the way, my view is that Rev. Wright (though he could have chosen to use less inflammatory language) was telling the truth, based on the experience of Black people in this country, and the history of American imperialism. How in the world does Rev. Wright’s views about U.S. racism and U.S. foreign policy have any thing to do with the sexual harassment allegations against Mr. Cain? Is Gregory buying into Ann Coulter’s offensive views about “our blacks” vs. “their blacks?”

          I totally agree: Gregory’s speculation, which is totally out of context, other than the fact that it deals with two black candidates for the presidency, is quite “offensive.” David Gregory does not deserve to be taken seriously as journalist. Rather, he should be viewed as another GOP hack pretending to be an objective journalist and political commentator.

      • 77 nintendowii10
        November 6, 2011 at 8:39 am

        Guess what Hannity’s response is to the allegations against Cain? BILL AYERS!!!!


        It’s almost like the 2008 DIDN’T HAPPEN to these morons!

        • 78 hopefruit2
          November 6, 2011 at 9:33 am

          This “Bill Ayers” is just a smokescreen for what he’s really wants to say to which is REV Wright..He just won’t come out and say it lest he be accused of what I just accused Gregory of in my previous comment.

    • November 6, 2011 at 9:15 am

      Does anybody have David Gregory’s twitter address?

    • 85 anniebella
      November 6, 2011 at 9:30 am

      I want all those who are saying the President has no chance of being re-elected, Gregory, Silver, and the rest of the media. I am willing to bet that not one of them gave him a snowball chance in you know where to defeat the Clintons.

  11. November 6, 2011 at 8:40 am

    Went to the live stream for whitehouse.gov and nothing’s posted. Really curious about this 8:45 meeting. Maybe he’s calling them together in order to kick them frack outta the white house. Him kicking their lousy asses off white house property would so make my year. Lousy critters.

    • 88 hopefruit2
      November 6, 2011 at 8:53 am

      ROFLMAO!!!! 🙂 🙂 🙂

    • 89 donna dem 4 obama
      November 6, 2011 at 8:54 am

      Lisa we often hear about messaging with this WH. We don’t have a messaging problem we have a press problem. This WH is unconventional in their methods to get their message out and the press hate them for it. That is why they are so snarky and stupid at each press conference.

      They hate that he goes on Letterman or Leno to talk directly to the people. They hate that he gives local interviews to talk directly to the people. They hate that he travels around the country giving speeches in small towns and big talking directly to the people. He is suppose to sit in the WH like Bush and all the Presidents before him did and give traditional press availabilities so that they can spin his message whatever way they think will draw the biggest viewers. He won’t do it their way so they adopted Republican talking points and lash out at him with negativity every opportunity they can.

      • November 6, 2011 at 9:09 am

        You nailed it, Donna. The media are owned by the right wing and have been for some time. With very few exceptions, they are the communication arm of the GOP. This is one of the biggest tragedies of our era–there is no non-partisan news on main stream channels. We must look abroad and to the internet. Unless there are significant changes (unlikely) we are seeing the last days of American journalism as it used to be know. We have become like a banana republic where people are only allowed to hear one side of the story from the media.

        • 91 theo67
          November 6, 2011 at 2:24 pm

          The other outcome of the death of the media is that us supporters of President Obama have come together in online communities to share information, launch twitter attacks and push back through these more informal channels to challenge lies and get the truth out. Before President Obama, the blogosphere seemed to be a collection of extreme bloggers, who all had their own agendas. But now, the most unlikely people are blogging and tweeting, and using these electronic media to get the word out. It’s really working, and 2012 will really make this means of communicating become even more legitimate and powerful.

          The traditional media will still collect their paychecks, because people still tune into them even when they know they’re lying to them. But, there are other places to get information and share ideas – and that’s a good thing.

          Plus, every time these GOP-water-carriers spout their talking points at the President, he gets another chance to smack down their lies and spread the truth. That’s another good thing.

        • November 6, 2011 at 3:49 pm

          I stopped watched the rw owned “media” after the November elections in 2002 so, yes, as far as I’m concerned, they’ve been owned by the gopropaganda machine for a long time.

      • November 6, 2011 at 9:14 am

        Bingo, Donna!! They hate that he is not giving the chance to twist his words.

      • November 6, 2011 at 9:31 am

        Hey Donna, did you get your call from POTUS?

      • 97 hopefruit2
        November 6, 2011 at 9:34 am

        Exactly Donna.

      • 98 anniebella
        November 6, 2011 at 9:36 am

        Thank you donna for telling the truth about the sorry ass media.

      • 99 Betsy
        November 6, 2011 at 11:16 am

        He wouldn’t have to do that if they were doing their job.

      • November 6, 2011 at 11:50 am

        WOW Donna. You constantly enable me to see things from a different perspective. What you say makes all the sense it the world. I had a light bulb moment thanks to you. I have tried to figure out what’s going on with the WH Press and I think you absolutely nailed it.

      • 101 nathkatun7
        November 6, 2011 at 10:03 pm

        You are absolutely spot-on, Donna. This is the TRUTH we need to spread! The media gatekeepers have been depriving the people the real news about President Obama. President Obama is trying to go around the gates. We can help him by doing the same. At the same time, people who are savvy with technology and the new media should focus on crushing the mainstream media gates. I come here to read posts and commentaries that have depth and real understanding of politics and how to go about solving complex problems. All I get from the MSM is tabloid journalism, hype over insignificant issues, and promotion of Republican agenda. With minor exceptions, the media is totally determined to destroy this President by pushing negative views about him.

    • 102 Fred
      November 6, 2011 at 8:55 am

      that would be sooooooo sweet if he did Lisa 😆

    • November 6, 2011 at 9:12 am

      Oh, Lisa, that would be a sight to see. I got a kick out of their collective conniptions over the local press invite to the WH the other day. A bunch of insecured, uninformed, regurgitating sheeple.

    • 104 desertflower
      November 6, 2011 at 10:17 am

      I’ve been wondering that as well…..I’m 2 hours behind because of the time change last night…..morning everyone:)

  12. 105 ber6964
    November 6, 2011 at 9:08 am

    Good Morning everyone!!

  13. 107 hopefruit2
    November 6, 2011 at 10:06 am

    This evening at 9PM EST The National Geographic cable channel will be premiering a 60-minute documentary titled “Last Days of Osama Bin Laden.” The program will also be repeated at 12Midnight (EST). Tune in, or set your DVR’s.

    After the United States successfully mounted a covert mission to eliminate America’s number one terrorist target, celebration turned to mounting questions. How did the terrorist mastermind elude capture for nearly a decade, only to be discovered hiding in plain sight just yards away from Pakistan’s most prestigious military academy? Peter Bergen, the famed journalist and author on Islamist terrorism who also produced bin Laden’s first television interview, obtains rare access to interview former CIA agents, Navy SEAL operatives and a Black Hawk pilot who reveal how the U.S. gathered the intelligence needed to pull off the surprise attack. He’ll talk to White House and Pakistani intelligence officials as well as neighbors of the Pakistani compound and eyewitnesses to the raid.


    • November 6, 2011 at 10:10 am

      And then, my favorite show is on at ten called Homeland. Great CIA show.

    • 111 globalcitizenlinda
      November 6, 2011 at 10:19 am

      Hopefruit2, thanks a lot for this heads up. I have been seeing the cormecials for this documentary and badly wanted to watch it except I did not know the specific time when it was going to air. I intend to watch it at the time you provided

    • November 6, 2011 at 1:38 pm

      Afternoon, HF, and a happy Sunday to you! Your mention of this documentary suddenly reminded me of UTALiberal whom I don’t remember seeing for a couple of days. She must be studying hard or writing exams,etc. Is this exam time? Whatever you are up to UTAL, you are in our thoughts. If it’s exam, hope you ace them. 😉

      • 113 utaustinliberal
        November 6, 2011 at 2:26 pm

        Hiya VC. Thanks so much for the well wishes. It’s been HECTIC here. I have exams, quizzes, research, research papers, home-work, labs and on and on and on and on. So I’m kinda playing catch-up. Hope you’re having a lovely sunday. 🙂

        ps: I might be in and out for a little while since it’s so busy here. Whew!

        • November 6, 2011 at 4:04 pm

          {{UTALib}} ‘Happy’ studying! Better you than me. 😉
          Glad to know what you’re up to, although I kinda figured out only something like evaluations would keep you away for longer than a few hours. Having a very, very vague recollection of what this time can be like, I’m going to say don’t forget to take good physical care of yourself – eating, sleeping, etc.

        • 116 nathkatun7
          November 6, 2011 at 10:19 pm

          UT, Good luck on all your exams and all the projects you have to complete. I am sure you will ace all of them. My daughter is going through the same routine.

  14. November 6, 2011 at 10:06 am

    Good Morning TOD family

    I saw this small story and was very encouraged, We never seem to hear about upward adjustments.

    October Jobs Report up, September & August adjusted upward

    I have included a video of the president talking about jobs.

  15. November 6, 2011 at 10:08 am

    Glad to see churches taking a stand against big banks

    LA Clergy Divest $2 million and 200 Years of Business from Bank of America

  16. 123 globalcitizenlinda
    November 6, 2011 at 10:09 am

    what actions are we taking today to help re-elect President Obama and provide him with a senate that does not back-stab him and his policies?

    • November 6, 2011 at 10:12 am

      Good question- I say, just keep donating and volunteering at ofa…

    • November 6, 2011 at 10:19 am

      Good morning GCL,

      I posted this on twitter. I think this is one way we can help on the run-up to 2012.

      RT….2012 get out to vote Plan #1 is contacting elderly neighbors and shut-ins and making sure they’re registered to vote by mail.

      • 126 a4alice
        November 6, 2011 at 10:56 am

        Hey Global – I am going to resend out my emails to my friends to donate to my fundraising page!

        Hey, if anyone has an extra buck here’s the link to my fundraising page:


        Then tomorrow I’m going to the OFA_MN grand opening where I’ll sign up to volunteer. It’s pretty handy – it’s right down the street from where I work! (sweet!) I’m going to copy the tweet down stream and see if any Minnesotans want to go with me.

  17. November 6, 2011 at 10:10 am

    this is a repeated post but timely. since a part of the jobs bill that helps veterans is coming up for a vote.

    We Can’t Wait: Supporting Our Veterans

  18. 128 globalcitizenlinda
    November 6, 2011 at 10:12 am

    I do not know is we can organize something here, but given the very important vote that is taking place in Ohio on tuesday, can we organize a a process for people to contact their friends and relatives in those states that have criticical votes on tuesday?

    • 129 hopefruit2
      November 6, 2011 at 10:22 am

      That’s a good idea linda. Also, it would be nice if someone could post a summary of all the important elections taking place in Ohio and Pennsylvania this Tuesday. Right now I’m not 100% clear on exactly what elections are taking place – just putting together the bits and pieces of info!

      • November 6, 2011 at 10:35 am

        State senator, snd if the democrat loses it’s bad news for Obama!

      • 131 globalcitizenlinda
        November 6, 2011 at 11:06 am

        Ohio has two critical issues on the ballot that will have a direct implication for President Obama and the Democratic agenda.

        (1) A Vote NO on Issue 2 will be a direct repeal of the Union-bursting law that rightwing governor kaisch signed into law this year to remove public employees’ bargaining rights and give all power to the employer.

        (2) A Vote NO on Issue 3 will be vote to support President Obama’s health care law by reaffirming that a mandate is needed for everybody to pay their fair share

      • November 6, 2011 at 11:51 am

        In PA, we have local elections–county commissioners, city councils, row offices, school boards. At the state level are a few judicial offices.

    • November 6, 2011 at 10:26 am

      What nobody knows is ofa ohio delivered 350k signatures for the ballot initiative on Tuesday.
      That is good grass roots, that Ed Shultz should be proud of!

      • 137 a4alice
        November 6, 2011 at 10:43 am

        that’s right I saw the video I think OFA put out it was real inspiring! great job Jovie

        • 138 GGail
          November 6, 2011 at 11:59 am

          Good morning TOD family.

          This is an inspiring video from Ohio. I beamed with Pride as I watched people in Ohio get organized and involved!

          BEAUTIFUL, simply BEAUTIFUL!

          Thanks a4alice for sharing.

        • 139 nathkatun7
          November 6, 2011 at 11:12 pm

          Thank you Jovie and a4alice for sharing the good news. This is a very inspirational video. I wish people in all these other states where the koch-tebag-Republicans are passing all these laws, trying to make it difficult for people to vote, had the same opportunity to use the ballot initiative weapon to overturn them. Sadly, many states don’t provide this option for people to register their opposition to bad laws passed by corrupt legislatures, and signed into law by corrupt governors, in the pockets of the Koch brothers and other corporations. Bravo for Ohio’s OFA !

      • 140 utaustinliberal
        November 6, 2011 at 2:34 pm

        Actually they delivered more than one million signatures.

    • 141 theo67
      November 6, 2011 at 2:28 pm

      Don’t forget the vote for “personhood” taking place this week, too – I think it’s in Mississippi. This will take women’s rights back to the stone ages. And these are the same people worried about Sharia Law…

  19. 142 JoJothecat
    November 6, 2011 at 10:26 am

    As far as I am concerned the OWS is an anti-obama campaign by the young politically uneducated PL and empogs who did not vote in 2010 and thought that coming out for PBO in 2008 was all they needed to do and they would have candy and ponys forever. They do not understand that where there are at was due to thier middle and upper middle parents and grandparents voted for republicans starting with Ronald Reagan Democrats who want lower taxes, lower property taxes, cheap gas and to “feel good” not knowing they were mortgaging their kids and grandkids futures for their own benefit. They expected this president to turn around forty years of GOP destruction in less than two years and they would never have to do anything ever again.

    • November 6, 2011 at 10:47 am

      What is funny is, The hcr law is polling in the 30s but if it got repealed, that is when everybody would complain.

      • 144 hopefruit2
        November 6, 2011 at 1:25 pm

        Slight correction Jovie: The “Fun-house mirror image” of HCR law as presented by the media is polling in the low 30’s.

        I would wager that the actual HCR law is likely polling well-above 50%.

  20. 145 desertflower
    November 6, 2011 at 10:39 am

    I can’t remember who suggested that Chips post this blog here….but it is one to visit EVERYDAY!
    http://emiliawahoo76.blogspot.com/2011/11/thinking-about-not-voting-this-is-what.html We have to work harder. Work smarter. Just as Tein Le did yesterday with her education of a similar voter about the FACTS, so must all of us.

    • 146 donna dem 4 obama
      November 6, 2011 at 11:14 am

      The owner of this blog is a fierce advocate for PBO. She is a good Facebook friend of mine and I start my day at Facebook reading her posts. She calls out anyone who posts anything negative on her wall and demands that we unfriend them. She is a hoot. She lives in London but is from Virginia and boy does she give Cantor a fit. I just love her commentary!

      • 147 desertflower
        November 6, 2011 at 11:40 am

        I love this site! Please tell her that she’s doing a phenomenal job and I really appreciate her good work:) Anyone that can give Cantor fits…is my kind of person:) Will click on her site MANY times! Thanks for the info, Donna!

    • 149 theo67
      November 6, 2011 at 2:43 pm

      The woman on this video is truly frightening, and she’s guaranteed to be voting in 2012.

    • November 6, 2011 at 6:03 pm

      Thank you so much for that link, desertflower! I passed the vid and post on about “What we’re up against” and posted a comment on her blog.

    • 151 nathkatun7
      November 6, 2011 at 11:22 pm

      Dessertflower, thank you so much for the link! I think hopefruit also linked to another of her fabulous post the other day. I must add this blog to my favorites.

  21. 152 Don
    November 6, 2011 at 10:40 am

    If you get a paycheck every two weeks that you use to put food on the table and keep a roof over your family’s head, how can let anyone talk you into voting republican?

    • 154 a4alice
      November 6, 2011 at 11:02 am

      hey desert – didja figure out what question you will ask quayle? It was great that there were so many people with suggestions last night!

      • 155 desertflower
        November 6, 2011 at 11:16 am

        Hi, alice:) I thought that it was wonderful that everyone that wanted to, put their suggestions up to me for consideration…that’s what happens here in this community:) We all help each other out. Fabulous. I actually think that I am going to ask a few of my Dem teachers at work to come with me, in the hopes that we can get A FEW questions asked….I think that I’ll go with the Norquist tax question. One, because I’m passionate about that and I think that I can voice that passion. Two, because I think that question is one that people do not know about (I don’t think that all those signers ever thought that would become public knowledge) And three, I think that it goes to the larger issue of hypocracy and entitlement….and honesty. You can’t be elected to govt. office by the people, promising to work to their benefit and uphold the oath to the Constitution, if your ONLY ALLIEGENCE is to one, private citizen. I want to see him squirm.

    • November 6, 2011 at 11:48 am

      Romney would wish he had the integrity and intelligence of John Kerry. The media in 2004 did a number on Kerry, pure and simple. Then as now they were in the pocket of the GOP, but we didn’t have as many ways to get wound them. Plus Karl Rove was cooking the numbers in Ohio.

  22. 163 desertflower
    November 6, 2011 at 10:56 am

    http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/mitt-romney-promises-raise-retirement-age Romney at Koch event, and his plans for America. Do you hear that “Flushing” sound???

  23. 165 globalcitizenlinda
    November 6, 2011 at 11:01 am

    From a few bits of Washington political punditry I have seen this morning, Bill Clinton has managed to insert himself back into the political space. The center of the discussion in each of this cases is about bill’s direct and indirect criticism of President Obama’s approach to the economy and wallstreet.

    • 166 desertflower
      November 6, 2011 at 11:24 am

      Of course he did.

    • 167 theo67
      November 6, 2011 at 3:00 pm

      So many people had rehabilitated Bill Clinton in their minds, because of his good works with the Clinton Global Foundation – and that’s no small feat after the disappointment of the impeachment scandal (and putting his wife and daughter in such a horrible situation). But ever since the 2008 campaign, he’s been on a downward spiral. His ego is his worst enemy. He could have been a trusted advisor to the President, and when they had lunch early on in President Obama’s term, I was breathing a sigh of relief that President Obama would have someone to bounce ideas off of, and get advice from.

      Now, I realize that Bill Clinton was never going to let President Obama get more popular, more successful, more liked than him, without making every effort to stop that. I’m so disappointed in Bill Clinton. He’s an egotistical, underhanded snake. And he, more than anyone on this planet, should know what damage he’s doing.

      • November 6, 2011 at 3:55 pm

        Sad to say, Theo, but I guess integrity and loyalty are hard things for some to grasp. Bill might be charming and have a great and warm smile (NIMO), but he’s proving he didn’t have much of integrity &/ loyalty when he was younger and he doesn’t have much now. In some weird way I’m not hurt (disappointed because as you say he more than anyone should know better, but not hurt) because I have never expected much from Bill Clinton. On the other hand, I’m sure that Bill’s actions cannot diminish President Obama, because #44 is unquestionably a way better man than Bill will ever be. He may cast doubts on the President’s choices (in the minds of those who were already prejudiced); he cannot cast doubts on the President’s integrity, honesty, and loyalty. Each time Bill opens his mouth in a criticism of our President, subtle or otherwise, he is highlighting an unflattering contrast IMO – between the pretend first black president and the very real, principled, family values president, President Barack Obama. So, have your fun, Bill-o! Show us who you really are. History will hopefully make note and give you your true legacy in every way.

    • 169 nathkatun7
      November 7, 2011 at 12:48 am

      This is the same Bill Clinton who was completely silent during the entire eight years of George W. Bush’s presidency. We never heard a pip from him, in almost eight years, about W’ policies. In fact, most of the time he was teaming up with Bush Sr. to promote causes that benefited Bush Jr. I repeat, during the entire Bush presidency we never heard any criticism of George Bush from Bill Clinton until his wife started running for president. But even then, most of his criticism and venom was aimed at candidate Sen. Obama, a fellow Democrat. I remember him, and Hillary, having all kinds of nice things to say about Sen. McCain. Ironically the same man who voted to remove him from office because of his sex scandals.

      As much as I respect SoS Hillary Clinton, I am totally fed up with Bill Clinton and his loyalists, black and white, who are trying to undermine and destroy President Obama. In hindsight, I regret having been a passionate defender of Bill Clinton when Republicans were impeaching him. As much as he thinks that denying President Obama a second term will translate in history placing him above him, he is sadly mistaken. History will still record three Presidents who faced impeachment. Andrew Johnson and Bill Clinton are the only presidents in history who were IMPEACHED by the House of Representatives but were saved from being removed from office because, as required by the Constitution, 2/3 of the Senate failed to convict them. The third was Richard Nixon. The House Judicially Committee voted to recommend his impeachment by the entire House of Representatives. Nixon knew that the vast majority in the House were poised to vote for his impeachment, and there were reports that 2/3rds of Senate, including many Republicans, would vote to convict and remove him from office. Wisely, Nixon resigned before the whole House of Representatives impeached him. So, no matter what Bill Clinton does, I highly doubt that history will overlook the fact that he was impeached and that half of the Senate, including his friend John McCain, voted to remove him from office.

      What is even sad about Clinton is that he knows that people who are now praising him, like Chris Matthews, and the GOP, are the same ones who wanted his head in 1998. But, he is so consumed with his ego of not wanting to be eclipsed by President Obama that he is willing to sell his soul. Who knows what else may be behind Bill Clinton’s cleverly designed bashing of President Obama. May beHillary Clinton has told Bill (I am obviously speculating here; but why not? Every Tom, Dick and Harry, is allowed to speculate about President Obama) that President Obama is, by far, smarter, courageous, disciplined and a more responsible family man than him. I’m just searching for an explanation as to why President Clinton said absolutely nothing when George Bush was ruining the country; but now, all of a sudden, he finds it necessary to cleverly bash President Obama, a fellow Democrat who has faced relentless, sustained, and unprecedented opposition, from the new teabag-Republican party. I’m sure that President Clinton, who by all accounts is a sresident omart man, and a savvy politician, knows fully well the absolute mess President Obama inherited. I am also sure that he knows how hard President Obama has been working for past three years while having to deal with the evil Teapublicans; the jackals in the MSM and the snipers from the so called progressives. So why does a man who knows the complexity of governing a diverse country chose to pile on a sitting President of his own party, instead of offering wise guidance to people like me who don’t what it takes to be President? Does any one remember President Carter being trotted out by the media to bash President Clinton? I certainly don’t. And Jimmy Carter wrote many, many books. Not once did I see the media use him to bash President Clinton. I never thought I would write this, but right now Republican George W. Bush is behaving way much better than Bill Clinton. President Bush knows that he had his turn at governing. Now, however, it’s President Obama’s turn to govern without constantly being second guessed by a former president. Why is Bill Clinton trying to compete with Dick Cheney?

  24. 170 Ladyhawke
    November 6, 2011 at 11:02 am



    11-04-11 4 – Cain’t Do Any Wrong, with Steve Kornacki – Countdown with Keith Olbermann

    The Salon politics writer talks about Cain, Romney and the GOP race with guest host David Shuster

  25. 171 a4alice
    November 6, 2011 at 11:05 am

    Hey calling all Minnesotans!

    I RSVP’d if anyone wants to meet me there – it’d be fun! 🙂

  26. November 6, 2011 at 11:07 am

    A Happy Sunday morning to everyone here at TOD’ville, 😆 with special ‘hell-o’ to the indomitable Ms Chips, who was up late flashing,…oops, I mean monitoring the swimsuit edition of the GOP debate last night. [ NO CHIPS, This is not meant as encouragement to bring that thing out again! IT’S SUNDAY MORNING, REMEMBER?]

    I am jumping in here before reading previous comments because I stuck my nose into Twitter and the first thing I noticed was that our Tally was ‘all the way up in Alaska’ this Sunday!!! { http://tinyurl.com/8yymqeo} Now this is a site I always have trouble bringing up on my screen AND reading because it ALWAYS gets stuck, but I was able to see the first page was featuring Tally’s post, and they got her address right [Tally from the Obama Diary].

    • 173 donna dem 4 obama
      November 6, 2011 at 11:19 am

      Ha! Way to go Tally 🙂

    • 174 desertflower
      November 6, 2011 at 11:23 am

      Seriously! Tally made her way to AK and from the looks of things…they are in agreement with her! That’s spreading the facts around!

    • 176 EDP4BHO
      November 6, 2011 at 11:40 am

      Fantastic!! And get ready for the onslaught of supporters, Chips !

    • 179 Sue in Minnesota
      November 6, 2011 at 3:01 pm

      Hey Sister…..I was at IM this morning, and so excited that Gryphen was spreading Tally’s articulate, smart, passionate message.
      I tried to leave a comment essentially recruiting people who want to engage actively to visit this website…..but in the midst of it my computer crashed…..I have no idea what happened…..it took several hours to get it up and going. I’m so deficient with respect to modern technology.

      I can not tell you what a relief it is to be able to check in and touch base. From here on in I am going to embrace my addiction. I am a TOD addict and I am grateful.

      IM is a very slow loading site for me as well, it takes several minutes to load, and I can’t move it until it does.

      It’s no longer morning but I hope everyone here is enjoying a beautiful day!

      • November 6, 2011 at 3:28 pm

        Like you, my dear Sue, my computer always, always acted up when I used to visit that site in the days I wanted info on the Alaska barbie, so I just gave up. I only followed the url there this morning because I wanted to see how Tally’s voice was shared. Of course, I got stuck on the first page for a while so I shut down and restarted back on safer ground. I’m like you where modern technology is concerned. We really should have attended our technology classes instead of opting out together to go shopping! Isn’t hindsight great? 😉

        By the way, I am following you on Twitter. Have you sent your first message yet? I’ve learnt how to send a ‘personal’ (in other words a direct) message but you have to be following me (sonamie). So, here’s your ‘challenge’ to help you get started. If you find my name and check ‘following’, I’ll send you a ‘welcome’ message.

    • 181 theo67
      November 6, 2011 at 3:08 pm

      I love the comments on that site – well done, Tally!

    • November 6, 2011 at 6:29 pm

      Thanks for the news, vcprezofan2! I love their little description..

      The Immoral Minority
      “Morality is not determined by the church you attend nor the faith you embrace. It is determined by the quality of your character and the positive impact you have on those you meet along your journey”

    • 183 nathkatun7
      November 7, 2011 at 1:07 am

      Bravo Tally! Vcprezfan2, thank you so much for sharing the good news about the increasing reach of the brilliant Tally and the TOD blog ran by the equally brilliant Chipsticks. You see people, left and right, have been peddling lies about this President for three years. As Dr. King, my hero, was fond of saying: “No Lie Can Live Forever!” Tally’s post really debunked the lies, from both the left and right, about President Obama. Lets hope that Tally’s truth telling and lie busting, along with many of the brilliant debunking of lies posted by many on this blog, and on other pragmatic blogs, will spread from Alaska to Hawaii, from the West coast to the East coast and from the North to the South. That way we can ween people from dependency on corporate media who are on a mission to undermine and destroy President Obama.

    • 186 donna dem 4 obama
      November 6, 2011 at 11:22 am

      And that is the reason that ….he can NEVER be the Republican Nominee!!

    • 188 Obama Grandmama
      November 6, 2011 at 2:13 pm

      Wow!! This is as confusing as Cain’s stand. Huntsman: “It goes too far… Always been prolife…with a few exceptions like rape, incest, and mother’s life in danger, but I believe life begins at conception.” The ammendment in MS is life begins at conception or fertilization as Gregory put it. So which is Huntsman supporting with this statement?

      • 189 theo67
        November 6, 2011 at 3:12 pm

        Yes – I listened to it a couple of times, because I wasn’t sure what he was saying, either. I don’t know if he misspoke, but he agreed with every possible position out there,and said he also believes life begins at conception. A Cain moment, for sure.

  27. 190 Me4obama
    November 6, 2011 at 11:15 am

    Hello My TOD Family. Happy Sunday to you All. Lots of News and comments to read. I love you all #obama2012 #Presson.

  28. 192 Don
    November 6, 2011 at 11:36 am

    Yep globalcitizenlinda, that Clinton is a vindictive piece of work. The guy escapes impeachment by the skin of his teeth, and now he’s the one trying to give advice, yeah right. The fact that he can’t resist the urge to needle his wife’s boss every time he gets tells me everything I need to know about the guy. And I will never forget him telling Kennedy that “Obama should be getting us coffee.”

    • 193 nintendowii10
      November 6, 2011 at 11:41 am

      It’s obvious he’s bitter that Barack beat his wife for the nomination, and that was LARGELY due to Bill not able to keep his yap shut. Irony of it is, Bill was able to keep his yap shut for the eight year terror that was the Bush administration. I don’t see President Bush opening his mouth and opining on President Obama, it’s telling that even the worst President in our nation’s history knows better than President Clinton to keep his yap shut 😡

      • 194 EDP4BHO
        November 6, 2011 at 11:55 am

        That’s because Dems are still in love with him and the era of prosperity they “think” he brought. No thanks is given to the boon in the tech industries proliferated during that time. It is and always will be about the economy, and Dems as well as those creatures who shall remain nameless have very short memories. They conveniently forget it is because of NAFTA and such that the jobs steadily drifted overseas. I have a newspaper clipping of all the things Clinton had accomplished per his wish list…..I’ve got to find that and will post items he was successful at achieving. It was not pretty for a lot of people, but folks had money in their pockets, so just like now, they will go along with anything that promises them economic security, even if we know it’s all wrapped up in blatant lies. This s–t is hard work !!

        • 195 nathkatun7
          November 7, 2011 at 2:17 am

          Well said EDP4BHO! To add to what you said Bill Clinton never faced relentless and sustained filibuster in the Senate. In fact his economic stimulus bill which raised taxes on the wealthy was passed in both the House and Senate without a single Republican vote. What is glaringly overlooked, however, is that in the Senate it managed to garner only 50 votes. Vice President Gore, serving as President of the Senate, cast the tie breaker allowing Clinton’s signature piece of legislation to be enacted into law to spur economic growth.

          Just imagine what President Obama would have been able to accomplish without the constant filibuster of all his policy proposals? He passed the $800 billion stimulus with 61 votes, after convincing three Republicans to vote for it to break the filibuster. He passed the ACA with 60 votes, 58 Democrats and 2 independents, after having to compromise on removing the so called public option, which in my judgement, was not the most important part of the historical law. Likewise he had to pass the sweeping financial reform law after securing 60 votes in the Senate. The same was true of Start Treaty, DADT, etc. I defy any one, and especially the WH Press Corp, to show me any record of any of the 43 presidents before President Obama whose major legislations were constantly subjected to the filibuster rule in the Senate.

          It’s true that the 1964 Civil Rights Act faced a filibuster from Southern senators, but in the end the vast majority of Northern and Southern Democrats voted to end the filibuster. Contrast that with what President Obama has faced. Not a single Republican from the states he won — including the so called liberal New England States– voted for the President’s Jobs Bill that has been applauded by the vast majority of economists, and contains policies previously supported by both Democrats and Republicans. I am sorry, but Bill Clinton would never have had anything accomplished had he faced relentless filibusters of everything he proposed. During his presidency Democrats never had a 60 vote majority in the Senate. The only way he was able to get stuff done was because Republicans never constantly resorted to filibuster. During his presidency all you needed was a simple majority — that is 51 senators– to pass legislation. Last Week President Obama’s infrastructure portion of his AJA received 51 votes for it to go forward. But because of the filibuster, which requires 60 votes, it went down in defeat. The majority of Senators voted to support the President. Nevertheless, the media had the audacity to blame that on the President’s lack of leadership. Here is a President who convinced the majority of the Senate to vote for his bill, just as the previous 43 presidents had done on many of their policies, yet the media questions President Obama’s leadership because he was not able to move the people whose sole mission is to ensure that he is a one term president. As if that weren’t enough, now we have the self serving former president Bill Clinton, who by the way knows better, pilling on in bashing the president. If Bill Clinton had been subjected to constant filibuster he would have been a miserable failure as President. His only notable accomplishment was the good economy, most of it based on speculative ventures. For a guy who witnessed Republicans impeach him, and almost remove him from office, over his undisciplined sex escapades, you would think he would know better not give aid and comfort to the right these right wing vultures. Tell me again why some black folks called Bill Clinton as the “first Black President?” For some reason he seems intent on cleverly doing everything to undermine the real first Black person elected President by all, and for all, the people.

  29. 196 desertflower
    November 6, 2011 at 11:43 am

    Maybe PBO should tell Bill that if he wants his opinion, he’ll ask for it! Otherwise, kindly STFU!

    • 197 EDP4BHO
      November 6, 2011 at 12:06 pm

      Forgive me as I say this, but no one here can ever find a time when I praised Hillary Clinton….from the past till now in her current role. I’ve only stated that I “once” admired her. These days, I still do not trust her, as I think, if anyone could shut that piefaced husband of hers up, it is she. He does not help the goals of PBO’s administration, and actually lends to undermine him, joining the chorus of the good ole’ boys (white, privileged) club helping to foster the image of a helpless, hapless, bungling black man who is unable to achieve what he has without their help, or by sheer “luck”. This is the meme they have run with since the beginning, and it shall continue until he is out of office- the sooner for them, the better. How dare he succeed where they have failed. It’s the same song, it will not change. So I wish the pox on them all as they are beyond playing politics. This is a systematic evil-doing, born of jealousy, envy, racism, and down-right contempt. Praying hard for PBO.

      • November 6, 2011 at 12:17 pm


      • 199 desertflower
        November 6, 2011 at 12:21 pm


      • November 6, 2011 at 1:06 pm

        If she could do that then none of us would have ever heard of Monica Lewinsky. He’s totally undisciplined and there’s not much anybody can do about it including Hillary.

        • November 6, 2011 at 1:19 pm

          THIS!!!!!!! Billo-the-Clown is undisciplined, selfish and riddled with jealousy and pettiness. He’s an ass whose time has come and gone but is yet unable to leave the limelight.

      • 203 Lovepolitics2008
        November 6, 2011 at 1:15 pm

        I’m afraid you’re right.

        Note: I’ve had the feeling for months that Bill Clinton is working not only within the democratic party but also with the beltway punditry in order to be sure they don’t give President Obama any respect. Chris Matthews anyone ? ( Could you stomack his special about Clinton, “President of the World” ?)

        • November 6, 2011 at 1:23 pm

          re: Tweety and this “President of the World” Bullshevik
          Tweety is a nitwit with the intelligence of a flea. That anyone could take him seriously is truly laughable and a disservice to all mankind.

          • 205 Ladyhawke
            November 6, 2011 at 3:22 pm


            I have to say I am fascinated by Tweety’s new found admiration for President Bill Clinton considering his behavior during the Monica Lewinsky days. And his obsession with Hillary Clinton is well documented from the 2008 campaign. I am curious to know if he was the one to anoint Bill Clinton as “President of the World?”. I beg to differ.

            I know it must have been frustrating as hell for Tweety when President Obama asked Hillary Clinton to be his Secretary of State. I can just imagine the lengths he goes to trying to find some daylight between them. What a phony. His political analysis is all over the map. You could get whiplash from his violent swings back and forth. I have given up on Tweety. I really think he has some issues.

            As a refresher, just check out these two articles.

            1) VIDEO COMPILATION: Matthews Obsessed With Clinton Sex Speculation

            MSNBC host Chris Matthews is obsessed with Bill Clinton’s sex life. Over the last four weeks, Matthews has incessantly raised baseless speculation that President Clinton may have an extramarital affair or engage in inappropriate behavior that would impact Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY).

            He has called Clinton’s sex life the “800-pound gorilla stalking behind” Hillary Clinton, and suggested it would sink her presidential campaign. Earlier this month, Matthews asked about Bill Clinton’s “personal behavior” 10 separate times in a single interview.


            2) Fully Exploring the Chris Matthews “Obsession” With Hillary Clinton

            There’s also the simple fact that Matthews doesn’t really say things. He declares them, in big, showy, unambiguous ways, and then goes on and on and on about them. In the days leading up to the New Hampshire primary, he announced Hillary’s campaign dead and asked every guest he had if she should just drop out of the race. After yesterday’s debate, he announced that Clinton’s performance was a “dramatic powerplay” (even though it was a relatively nondescript debate in which all candidates looked tired but intelligent and composed) and would not stop repeating his chosen storyline (even though no one else on his network seemed to see it the same way).

            So here’s the summary. Chris Matthews: odious and sexist when slamming Hillary Clinton, just plain annoying at all other times.


            NOTE: Be sure to check out the David Brock take down of Tweety. It’s a thing of beauty.

            • 206 nathkatun7
              November 7, 2011 at 3:08 am

              During Clinton’s Lewinsky affair, Chris Matthews was one of the most vocal and vicious attackers of President Clinton. I confess, at the time I was a passionate defender of Bill Clinton because I honestly felt that his infidelity was between him and his wife. So far as I was concerned his unfaithfulness did merit impeachment. I of course still feel the same way. Nonetheless, what is infuriating is to see people who wanted Clinton impeached and removed from office are now coddling him to provide them cover to attack President Obama. What is even more more infuriating is to see President Clinton oblige them and join in the bashing of the President, though he is clever enough to try to disguise his attacks.

              I am a history buff. During the 2008 primary campaign I was totally perplexed by the Clintons’ embrace of John McCain, while at the same time they were constantly denigrating then Sen. Obama. The same John McCain (I watched the entire voting process in the Senate) who voted with 49 other senators, all Republicans, to convict President Clinton and remove him from office. At the time the Senate was majority Republicans (55) and minority Democrats (45). Five Republicans voted with 45 Democrats against conviction. McCain, the friend of the Clintons in 2008, was not one of them. Chris Matthews was pushing for his impeachment every night on his show. On the other hand, the young Barak Obama, in 1992, worked so hard to register hundreds of thousands of voters, mainly in the black and poor communities, to help elect Bill Clinton. Before those massive voter registrations in Chicago, Illinois was always considered a toss-up state that generally leaned Republican. If I am not mistaken, George H.W. Bush won Illinois over Democrat Michael Dukakis. But in 1992, Barak Obama helped Bill Clinton win Illinois. But, when the chips were down, the Clintons seemed to think that John McCain was more of a friend than Barak Obama. Obviously most of that was politicking to help elect Hillary Clinton. But down deep it really revealed Bill Clinton’s character. I now think that Clinton, like Romney has no core. That’s just my two cents.

              • 207 nathkatun7
                November 7, 2011 at 3:25 am

                I meant to say that “his unfaithfulness did NOT merit impeachment.” I honestly swear that this was simply an omission of the word NOT and not some freudians slip. As you can tell, my punctuation also sucks; especially after midnight. Any way, I hope I made some sense

      • 208 Obama Grandmama
        November 6, 2011 at 2:17 pm

        Yah! Chris Matthews is using the luck theme over time right now. He is shameful about it.

        • 209 Sue in Minnesota
          November 6, 2011 at 3:26 pm

          Maybe Chris needs to be reminded that “Luck favors the prepared.” Wonder what kind of luck Chris would ascribe to his current position in the poltical media stratosphere…….he probably would think “Luck” had nothing to do with . Arrogant, white-anglo saxon privilege, get over yourself Chris!

      • 210 nospin
        November 6, 2011 at 2:40 pm

        “if anyone could shut that piefaced husband of hers up, it is she.”

        No she can’t. She couldn’t shut him down when she was running her own campaign. Bill is all about Bill. He could care less if it is not based on self gratification. So I cannot lay his actions on Hillary.

        • November 6, 2011 at 4:26 pm

          I was just going to write this. I don’t doubt Hillary’s commitment. I recall Bill Clinton was a craven attention whore during her campaign also. I was always an Obama supporter but I saw what Bill was doing to his wife’s campaign. Shameful.

          • 212 Chi
            November 7, 2011 at 11:23 am

            So how to explain Hillary Clinton’s announcement that she will not be returning if President Obama is re-elected…

            This is a savvy, politically astute woman who understands too well that making this sort of announcement, a rather unnecessary and premature pronouncement, would play against President Obama in a media environment forever seeking negative connotations…

            We are still a whole year out from the elections and there was no need to make this announcement now…

            While at the same time does her spread in Time magazine, touting President Obama’s smart power concept as hers and literally conveying a scenario where she came off trying to take credit for President Obama’s foreign policies – never mentioning her boss, the President and neglecting to frame her responses in proper context…

            She only referenced the President one time and not even directly, when a question was specifically posed about him…a not very complimentary question which she offered no direct push-back to but once again used to over-assert her relevance and importance yet again…

            Contrast that with Condoleeza Rice who continuously deferred to George Bush, at least in public, even when we all knew he didn’t know much…

    • November 6, 2011 at 12:08 pm

      Bills meddling in the lead-up to the 2012 elections is what one would come to expect from Slick Willy.

      What this narcissist neglects to say is that this president spent a lot of his political capital cleaning up messes that was created on his watch,

      #1..DADT, the fight for repeal dragged on for over two years and caused many in the LGBT communities not to show up in 2010
      #2..Repeal of Glass Stegal in 1999, which stated that lending institutions must have on hand enough funds to cover their losses, and dictated necessary provisions that would have prevented the 2008 collapse of Wall Street lending Institutions.
      #3..NAFTA, which gave China and American Corporations the nod to finish off the middle-class.

      But what he’s most pissed about is this president got Health Care Reform passed and he didn’t, and when history books are written PBO legacy will take up more chapters than that of his.

      • 214 L3
        November 6, 2011 at 12:16 pm

        Also, PBO got Bin Laden. If Bill had gotten him there might not have been a 9/11, thus no Iraq or Afghanistan Wars. (Although, I believe the neo-cons were going to find a way to get into Iraq one way or another) But, if Bill had kept his pants on there might not have been a W. presidency. And now that he’s jumped into the fray I hope some “journalist” starts pointing some of this stuff out.

      • November 6, 2011 at 12:21 pm

        Amen… Bjw2

        He’s 15 min have been up, what more does He want ?? Enough already

      • 216 Linda
        November 6, 2011 at 12:28 pm

        Isn’t he also responsible for DOMA ?

        • November 6, 2011 at 12:38 pm

          Yes Linda you’re correct.

          In 1996, Congress adopted the federal Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA). Pub. L. 104-199, 100 Stat. 2419 (Sept. 21, 1996).

          But being out of office and not having to take any flack, he now supports Gay marriage.

          Go figure…Slick Willy is now against what he enacted.

          • 218 Obama Grandmama
            November 6, 2011 at 2:21 pm

            I also found that the 60 Senate vote came into being with the Republican led Congress during Clinton’s time as President. Was that required to be signed off by the President or is it simply rules the Senate can adopt on their own?

      • 220 globalcitizenlinda
        November 6, 2011 at 12:30 pm

        Journalist will NOT challenge Bill on the mess he left PBO to clean because they are thrilled by the thought of a fight between dems and will give space to anyone who even hints at attacking PBO.

        Challenging Bill will have to be done by us ordinary people and President Obama supporters and we have to start now on Twitter and other electronic medium

        • 221 L3
          November 6, 2011 at 12:43 pm

          I already called his office Friday and I posted his contact information in one of the Friday threads. From the comments, it did not seem that many people were interested in contacting him. Right now, I am composing a lenghthy and scathing email that should be ready to send by tomorrow because I’m going to an Open House at the Detroit OFA office shortly. I’m a fall fellow and me and my team will be hosting the Open House from 4:00 – 8:00. I’ll report back tomorrow.

          • 222 donna dem 4 obama
            November 6, 2011 at 12:47 pm

            Great job L3. Fantastic work on your part. Congrats on being a Fall Fellow. Let us know how the Open House goes.

      • 223 JoJothecat
        November 6, 2011 at 12:37 pm

        Bill is the PL dream candidate. They seem to have forgotten all that he did to give us the financial mess we are in and of cour Faux Noise. Before Bill left his presidency he signed into law the deregulation of banks and ended glass-segal. Bush probably would have done it anyway but Bill was more than happy to let it happen because he needed donations for his lie-brary.

      • November 6, 2011 at 1:03 pm

        I wish Bill would just shut up sometimes. Bill did a lot of damage to the party, and helped to hurt Al’s election chances, with his sexcapades in the White House. The election would not have been close enough for the Republicans and the Supreme Court justices to steal,, if Bill had been able to control himself. Shut up all ready President Clinton.

      • 225 Sue in Minnesota
        November 6, 2011 at 3:14 pm

        He is advancing a false meme that the President was disrespectful, disparaged and alienated Wall Street…..which is a load of crap. He never disparages wealth, but speaks truth to power to those who are blinded by greed and practice unethical measures to enrich themselves.
        If Bill Clinton were in front of me I would tell him I would have to resist the urge to smack him.

        • 226 Chi
          November 7, 2011 at 11:37 am

          Thank you Sue…

          This is exactly what infuriates me…

          The deliberate and shameless push of false memes and false premises to advance his dastardly agenda …

          President Obama has been especially careful in the call to these Wall Street folks to do their part…

          And even as the Wall Streeters have gotten more brazen as the tea party has foolishly taken up for them against their own best interests, President Obama has been infinitely patient and decent as he straddles that fine line of asking that they do the right and patriotic by giving up just a little bit more to help out in these tough times…

          For Bill Clinton to ignore the noble efforts of President Obama and instead shamelessly twist things to suggest that President Obama has been attacking and alienating Wall Street – just to suggest that he Bill could do much better, is so rage-inducing…

  30. 227 Ladyhawke
    November 6, 2011 at 11:51 am


    Rachel Maddow has had a rude awakening and she is kicking herself that it took so long. She has determined that America has been punked. Apparently, Herman Cain is really just a performance artist.

    Last Friday, she spent about 18 minutes chronicling the plethora of “gaffes” made by Herman Cain. But were they really gaffes? When you see all of the gaffes together, it really makes your head hurt. Nonetheless, Herman Cain is the GOP frontrunner and they deserve each other. The revelation of alleged sexual harassment has only made him more popular with the Republican Party. The donations are pouring in. The mind reels.


    • 228 desertflower
      November 6, 2011 at 11:53 am

      I saw that show on Friday:) Priceless.

    • 229 Linda
      November 6, 2011 at 12:03 pm

      She did almost an identical show about Carl Paladino……she gets on my nerves sometimes..

    • November 6, 2011 at 2:01 pm

      it was a brilliant piece that should go viral

    • 231 theo67
      November 6, 2011 at 3:19 pm

      If this is true, then it says even more ugly stuff about the GOP that they can play these kind of games while the country’s future hangs in the balance, and Americans are literally starving to death, while soldiers are losing limbs and their lives fighting wars. These are serious times – and the GOP front runner is offering a tax plan that he took from the Sim City game? They’re not serious.I don’t know how Americans are not offended.

      • 232 Ladyhawke
        November 6, 2011 at 3:38 pm

        They are making a mockery of our democracy. We have Speaker In Name Only John Boehner and Minority Leader Mitch McConnell as GOP leaders who treat dishonesty and obstruction as a virtue. They are essentially elected government officials who are anti-government and they have disdain for the American people.

        Boehner and McConnell can go on cable and network television and lie with ease. Their depravity knows no bounds. Every time I think they have outdone themselves, they prove me wrong. The Republican Party continues to be the biggest threat to the future and well being of this country.

        The mainstream media is useless. I have yet to see anyone in leadership in the Republican Party get asked the tough questions when they are interviewed. They are never really challenged for their outlandish claims. The media is doing a disservice to the American people by pretending to take them seriously. They have clearly demonstrated that they are not a credible opposition party.

        • 233 nathkatun7
          November 7, 2011 at 4:53 am

          You absolutely nailed it, ladyhawke! Personally, I put all the blame on the so called mainstream media (MSM) for not honestly explaining to the American people what’s actually going on. Instead, the MSM is obsessed with the presidential horse race, and especially the President’s poll numbers and pontificating about his re-election. I left television and now rely on print media. Sadly, the print media is just as tabloidish as t.v. media. You can search in vain about the Republican policies for creating jobs. Yet, all you read are quoted statements by the Republicans in Congress attacking the President’s policy proposals and claiming that they have unspecifiedplans for creating jobs. Then there is the opinion pages. They are all filled with demonization of the President and speculations about which Republican is more positioned to defeat him next year. No in-depth coverage of the causes and impact of the great recession. No in-depth analysis of the president’s policies that saved the country from another looming Great Depression. No critical analysis of the impact of Republican obstructionism in prolonging the recession. Or at least an explanation of how the 60 vote requirement in the Senate to pass any legislation is unprecedented. Such as is the state of our so called Fourth Estate. Instead of bringing knowledge and enlightenment to people, the MSM is busy dumbing them down.

          I get frustrated when people tell me that the failure to pass a jobs bill is primarily the presidents fault. They believe that “strong” presidents, like FDR, LBJ and Ronald Reagan, by-passed Congress to get things done. Very few people know what the filibuster is all about, or why the Senate does not operate on the basis of majority rule.

          Republicans in Congress are well aware that their obstructionism to prevent the economy from creating jobs will never be accurately covered by the media. Instead the media will obsess about how historically no president who presided over high unemployment is likely to be elected. Never mind the fact that the GREAT FDR was re-elected three times even though unemployment was in double-digits before WWII. You see, the media sees no reason of educating the American people about this historical fact. They (the media) know that such knowledge is not be beneficial to their interests in seeing a close presidential race that preferably would result in defeating the current President. For the MSM, the most important news that the American people need to know about is who is up and who is down in the polls. And if the American people don’t really understand the importance of polls, the media is always ready to assist their understanding by trotting out the great and wise pundits to explain what this all means; and especially what it means for the re-election of the President. Of course the wise pundits are also ready with their predictions for 2012.

  31. 234 desertflower
    November 6, 2011 at 11:52 am

    Ok. I posted the jokes yesterday…so today’s Sunday funny is this:)
    http://www.balloon-juice.com/2011/11/06/a-dst-ending-celebration-starring-louis-ck/ He always cracks me up:)

  32. 238 Betsy
    November 6, 2011 at 12:26 pm

    Does anyone know what the heads up for 8:45 EST was about. I’m looking, but not hearing anything.

  33. 240 a4alice
    November 6, 2011 at 12:35 pm

    I continue to find this ‘transfer you money’ thing fascinating. it appears to be gaining steam.


    • 241 FiredUpInCA
      November 6, 2011 at 2:27 pm

      The money transfer movement has been the best development yet. That is the only free speech Wall Street seems to respect. All the polls suggesting that the vast majority of Americans would like millionaires and billionaires to help the 99 percenters who suffered from Wall Streets greed mean little to nothing to them.

      A transfer of $4.5 billion in a single day is the start of something good. The fact that 650,000 customers moved to credit unions in one quarter to match the number that had moved in an entire year, is also the start of something good.

      The exquisite irony is that the beginnings of this financial crisis for banks, was of their own making, just like the Great Recession was authored by them.

      We can expect to see, ‘we’re on your side’ public relations ads soon enough but I hope nobody’s duped. The 1% is completely out of touch and off the rails. Corporations are sitting on $2 trillion in accumulated wealth as they pay the lowest taxes since Eisenhower yet they won’t do a thing for the 99 percenters until they get ultimate “certainty” in the market, which apparently means a Republcian House a Republican Senate and a Republican President.

      There are more of us than there are of them. It’s good for them to start feeling that financially.

      • 242 theo67
        November 6, 2011 at 3:22 pm

        This is one thing that I’m happy the OWS folks have done, although, I think one of the more active Senators was pushing for this, as well. It’s funny that Arianna was calling for this type of action last year, and it fell flat. She should rethink her own opinion of her level of influence.

    • 244 Elle
      November 6, 2011 at 4:50 pm

      Great video showing the benefits of local banks and credit unions over the”too big to fail” banks using scenes from “It’s a Wonderful Life” (my favorite movie!)

  34. 245 desertflower
    November 6, 2011 at 12:40 pm

    Conservative blowhard George Will says public sector job loss is a GOOD THING!

  35. 249 desertflower
    November 6, 2011 at 12:43 pm

    Today on MTP..Huntsman said that Romney WOULD NOT be able to beat PBO:) Truth!

  36. November 6, 2011 at 1:07 pm

    Happy sunday everyone..!! 😀

    I saw this on my twitter timeline:

    RT @NBCNews: RT @BetsyMTP Jon Huntsman on Romney; “I don’t know that he can go on to beat President Obama, given his record.’ #MTP” #news

  37. 254 RosesforObama
    November 6, 2011 at 1:10 pm

    Yes Don, Bill Clinton also lost my respect the moment it came to my knowledge, how primitive he tried to persuade E. Kennedy to endorse
    Hillary Rodham Clinton.
    Isn’t Bill Clinton becoming more and more pathetic…trying to give the brilliant President Obama advice – and then indirectly through a book!
    Right after President Obama was elected president, I read somewhere, that Bill Clinton had a hard time accepting, that President Obama won
    with 52.8% of the popular vote, while he himself won in 1992 with 43% (the least of the popular vote since 1968) and in 1996 with 49.24% of the popular vote.(Wikipedia)
    Landslide Obama/Biden 2012!

    • 255 hopefruit2
      November 6, 2011 at 1:36 pm

      All this jealousy, vindictiveness and hostility is not good for Clinton’s heart. He needs to spend less time “Obamaing” and more time with his daughter who might hopefully give him a grandbaby soon.

    • 256 theo67
      November 6, 2011 at 3:31 pm

      Given that we saw President Obama invite Bill Clinton to a game of golf, and they’ve had plenty of private meetings together, if Bill Clinton wanted to give President Obama advice, he’d have unending opportunities to do so. This book is a jealous ploy – pure and simple. Any real and genuine advice would be given behind closed doors, if Bill Clinton were serious about helping or if he were a man with any integrity.

  38. November 6, 2011 at 1:20 pm

    One of the many things that bug me about the industry in which I work is the large population of phonies who claim to be liberal, caring, green and unaffected by their wealth and fame but in reality are just as self-centered and addicted to their huge, over-air-conditioned living spaces and private planes as those at whom they point their fingers. And none is more phony and finger-pointing than Michael Moore.
    The rub:


  39. 266 Linda
    November 6, 2011 at 1:36 pm

    Wells Fargo’s folksy wooden stagecoach is about to go after the carriage trade, as the bank launches a newly reorganized wealth management business aimed at families with $50 million or more to invest.

    The new unit, with an office in Chicago, made its debut last week under the name Abbot Downing, after the early 19th century builder of upscale custom stagecoaches. It features a full range of services to cater to the super rich, complete with psychologists and staff to build family genealogies.

    Abbot Downing will have $28 billion in assets under management and offices in major cities. The company targets the estimated 10,000 U.S. households with $50 million or more to invest with a particular focus on baby boomers with family businesses to sell.



    What next….the super rich get their own country ????

  40. November 6, 2011 at 1:36 pm

    HI folks

    Upstream I read a post about folks in Ohio working together on the upcoming election.

    This is another example of why the TOD list by state is a good thing.

    At the moment theonly person on my list in Ohio is

    globalcitizenlinda – Columbus

    Come ON folks, lets get her a little help.

    Post below

    Even if you aren’t from Ohio, join the list, we will need to have local “buddies” in the coming year.


  41. November 6, 2011 at 2:06 pm

    Most of the comments on this thread are from people who watched the Sunday shows and are pissed off.
    I told you all that the Sunday shows were overwhelmingly republican, but yet you all still watched them.

  42. 273 Marlz (@marjgra)
    November 6, 2011 at 2:18 pm

    Just want to comment on Bill Clinton.

    In the primaries (2008), something has always stuck with me. Hillary said, no democrat have ever gotten a second term except Bill Clinton (or something close). I think this is what they are afraid of. . . President Obama getting a second term. This will break the record and Bill will be defeated for a second time (1) majority/popular vote by President Obama and (2) winning a reelection.

    Bill is becoming annoying and people will finally see what he is up to. If we continue tweeting this information, it will go viral. Lots are not paying attention. Poke the pimple and it will burst! Mention it when you tweet.

    • November 6, 2011 at 3:03 pm

      Clinton may have been re-elected, but he utterly blew it by putting himself in a position to be impeached. He has an ego so monumental he thinks he can get away with anything and so he stretched the envelope with the Lewinsky nonsense and had the pieces explode in face. I was so angry with him in those days (still am) for frittering away a golden opportunity and thereby putting Al Gore in the terrible position of having to disassociate himself from the president while running for president. Clinton opened the door for George Bush with his behavior and is at least partially responsible for all that followed. He has no business giving advice to anybody, except those planning on jeopardizing their marriages and careers with adulterous relationships.

    • 275 theo67
      November 6, 2011 at 3:40 pm

      Do you think that’s why Hillary says she’s only serving in the first term, to fuel the speculation, and hint to her PUMA supporters that they can be released from supporting President Obama in the second term? I hate to think this, but it’s been very curious how she has adamantly talked about not serving in his second term, even though she’s doing a great job as Sec of State. And she announced this quite a while back – for no good reason.

  43. November 6, 2011 at 2:24 pm

    George Papandreou, Greece’s prime minister, will not head a new coalition government, which could be agreed upon with the opposition as early as Sunday, a statement from his office said.

    “It is clear that this government will pass the baton but it will not pass it to a void – it will pass it to a new
    government, if we agree on it, and I hope this will happen soon,” he said on Sunday during an emergency cabinet meeting.

    “And when I say soon, I mean today, not tomorrow. I’m not interested in being prime minister in the new government.”

  44. November 6, 2011 at 2:52 pm

    Will be back tonite. By then, Maybe people here will have gotten the Sunday shows off their minds.


  45. November 6, 2011 at 2:56 pm

    There’s a pattern emerging lately of people past their prime and their time in the sun trying to ride the president’s coattails into the limelight. They do so by bashing and belittling PBO’s accomplishments in order to enhance their own esteem and pretend they are “very important people.” PBO outclasses all of them in every respect, so all they can do is holler and point to themselves and say, “look at me.” We have this “please give me the spotlight” mentality from Ralph Nader, Maxine Waters, Cornell West, Michael Moore and now Bill Clinton, to name a few. Then there’s the tired chorus from George Will and the ever boring Peggy Noonan and their ilk.

    To all of them, I would say, a wise person knows when it’s time to retire and does so with grace. When you are repeating the same tedious things over and over again, hang it up. When you bore people who are even paid to listen to you, call it a day. When you go so far as to undermine you own legacy (I’m talking to you, Bill) because you can’t suppress you ego, leave the scene. It is not a disgrace to step from the stage, it’s a sign of good sense and the kind of blessed humility that every world religion preaches. Look around at the hasbeens who are tearing at any piece of the president they can reach. They each had a time when they were a little more relevant, a little more respected in their chosen arenas. But to everything there is a season, Ralph, Maxine, Cornell, Michael, Bill, Will and Peggy. And yours has passed.

    Want to know a person who retired with grace and yet continued to quietly contribute great things to the world?. Try Jimmy Carter, a man comfortable in himself who works hard, accomplishes much, and does not need to beat his own chest or destroy someone else in the process.

    • November 6, 2011 at 3:11 pm

      THIS, Jackie; and they obviously have no idea how pathetic they look TRYING TO HANG ON while the President goes purposefully along getting stuff done. That they are also wrecking whatever credibility they had will come to them far too late, and I must say IMO it’s really sad that they have no one who loves or cares about them enough to draw their attention to the spectacle they are making of themselves. Each of these …..??? needs someone to lovingly take their hand and lead them quietly off the stage when they push their way into the limelight.

      Here is info about what President Carter in doing currently –

    • 283 theo67
      November 6, 2011 at 3:44 pm

      Yes, I agree with you. I think President Obama will likely disappear into the shadows after he passes the baton in 2016, because it will be very difficult for the next President to look halfway capable after the uncommon likes of President Obama. I think he’ll have an open phone line, but will likely never make a public statement about anything unless asked by the next President. Remember how he refused to comment on Bush’s actions in the last days, stating over and over that “we only have one President at a time”. I wish Bill Clinton had 1% of President Obama’s class.

  46. November 6, 2011 at 2:59 pm

    Maybe Perry is going after the presidency because he just loves traveling by air. *snark*


  47. 287 HZ
    November 6, 2011 at 3:28 pm

    Good morning/Afternoon Chipsticks and TOD Family:

    Just reading the comments. Let us be aware that we will make it as long as we focus, keep out facts coming out, fight against the “Attack Machine” BUT most all Work even harder with our positive goal just like they are working with their negative goal.

    We need to continue to capture the young people and express to them how important POB is to their future. When has he come on to them negatively? NEVER. So lets keep focus, stay calm, work quietly and loudly when necessary focusing on the goals that POTUS set before us. Be NOT Discourage, Please.

    I have a meeting with a group just above my neighborhood in another college town, and I am so excited to be going simply because it is raining here where I live, and I do not like driving in the rain. But you know, I said, “Lord, if my President can travel all around the world, stand in the rain, get his fine suit and self soaked, I can get myself together, go and get my goodies tray, and get in that little hot car and take my butt to this meeting. Because, it can be the winning vote to bring this home for ALL of us in 2012.

    So be encourage my beautiful family. We have things that will come at us that we can’t even think of at this point, but we will PRESS ON TOGETHER. I am a younger older family member, and we can do this. Be encourage. Plus the dampness is trying to do its ‘old game on me’ , the heart, the severe stomach pain, BUT I am going with HOPE in my soul, my compass of truth, and we will let the goodness prevail.

    Now have a great day, and remember who we are fighting with in this battle. Then remember who we are helping when it all prevail in our favor. I believe, I believe in our victory. I love you all so much.HZ

    • 288 theo67
      November 6, 2011 at 3:46 pm

      Travel safely, HZ.

    • 289 Fred
      November 6, 2011 at 4:03 pm

      drive safely HZ and good luck

    • November 6, 2011 at 4:09 pm

      Thanks for your uplifting and positive post HZ, your spirit is unbreakable and I love you for it. Safe travels and hope it is a good meeting.

      I am sorry that you’re in pain and I pray that you will be restored to health very soon, God bless you HZ and have a great day tomorrow.

    • 291 a4alice
      November 6, 2011 at 4:17 pm

      You’re an inspiration HZ and here’s some good news. I had a nice conversation with a young man who called me from the local Obama place here to remind me about tomorrows grand kick off. we talked about volunteer opportunities and such – it was nice to hear this coming from someone who sounded much younger than me. I thanked him and told him I’d see them tomorrow but it was so nice to hear. So – courage friends. There are plenty of young people I think who are jumping on the PBO train and riding it to 2012.

  48. 292 SueBee
    November 6, 2011 at 3:34 pm

    Hi everyone! I did some canvassing in VA today for OFA_DC. The MSM keeps reporting that Obama has lost the youth vote. I am happy to say that’s a big fat lie. The enthusiam for Obama among the young people is still there, and they are very very informed. My experience today gave me a lot more hope for a 2nd term for President Obama. We need to turn off the TV and tune out the talking heads, and get to work to get our president re-elected. Obama 2012!!

    • 293 donna dem 4 obama
      November 6, 2011 at 3:40 pm

      Yep we had a good crowd in Lanham, MD yesterday. I don’t like to canvass so I made calls but so glad to hear that you had a good turnout as well. Did you work out of HQ in DC because our blogger collegekay was there today as well.

      • 294 SueBee
        November 6, 2011 at 4:33 pm

        We met at the HQ and my group drove into Alexandria..I think I prefer making calls myself, but whatever it takes I will do.

    • November 6, 2011 at 4:11 pm

      Glad to hear it SueBee, I’ve always suspected that the media lie where President Obama is concerned. Seeing all the smiling happy and excited people anywhere he goes just tells me that he has not lost the support of ANY demographic.

      Obama/Biden 2012!

  49. 296 donna dem 4 obama
    November 6, 2011 at 3:45 pm

    Dinner’s Served:

    Smothered Pork Chops, Roasted Potatoes, Stir Fried Veggies, Homemade Dinner Rolls
    Lemon Cake with Chocolate drizzle icing.

  50. 299 donna dem 4 obama
    November 6, 2011 at 4:03 pm

    Our President constantly talks about the importance of improving our Education system and to think the Republicans want to do away with the Dept of Education


  51. November 6, 2011 at 4:05 pm

    Pheeeeeeeeeeeeeeew, I’m back – at last: a new post:



  52. 301 donna dem 4 obama
    November 6, 2011 at 4:07 pm

    It’s GOTV weekend TOD.

    John Glenn has a nice ad in support of voting NO on Issue 2

  53. 303 nintendowii10
    November 6, 2011 at 4:07 pm

    As much as I don’t want to link HuffyFluffy, here’s Orange Boner saying that his relationship with POTUS has become “frosty”


    No shit Mr. Weeper of the House… did you expect President Obama to remain warm and fuzzy with you after you and your GOP cronies have done everything possible to block him from getting his agenda accomplished?

    • 304 Fred
      November 6, 2011 at 4:09 pm

      Drunkie sorry Johny can eff off.The President is not in the business of getting drunk after work with chicks that ain’t his wife

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