chat away

Quarterback Barrett Trotter #14 of the Auburn Tigers holds a sign depicting President Obama during the game against the LSU Tigers, October 22


Michael Tomasky (Daily Beast): Hey, suddenly “leading from behind” is looking pretty good, isn’t it? This instantly infamous phrase, spit like rusty nails out of the mouths of neocons and other foreign-policy bigwigs ever since it appeared in that New Yorker article …. described a way of conducting multilateral foreign policy that has achieved electrifying results.

…. a truly multilateral intervention to rid the world of one of its most tyrannical dictators, undertaken with no loss of American life? This is a first. It’s a very big deal….

…. let us note how the Obama record on Libya compares with the neocon record. Libya was the great case of neocon hypocrisy in the Bush years. The neocons were supposed to be different from the Kissingerian realists, right? The neocons cared about spreading democracy and freedom. But all they spread in Libya was more tyranny…..

…. The Republican electorate may eat up potshots at Obama for being weak, but I doubt the broader public is buying it. A president who iced bin Laden and has overseen the ousters of two leading autocrats (and a couple of other minor ones) is not weak. Leading from behind, the sneerers forgot, is still leading.

Full post here


Jill Lawrence (Atlantic): The Republicans aiming for the White House might be well-advised to pack it in on foreign policy for a while and cede the field to President Obama…..

…. In a world ever more complicated, dangerous and economically fragile, he can make a strong argument that he deserves re-election based on his record as commander in chief…..

…. Obama has an unmatched record of targeting and killing terrorists and helping others to do so ….. What’s more, whether it’s killing terrorists or navigating the Arab Spring, Obama has been for the most part quiet and judicious and has avoided igniting anti-American sentiment across the globe….

…. Obama has taken enormous incoming for saying that pre-1967 borders with land swaps should be the foundation for Mideast peace talks … yet he recently intervened to help rescue six Israelis during an attack on their embassy in Cairo and opposed the Palestinian bid for statehood at the United Nations. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Obama deserved a “badge of honor” for his stand at the U.N. and told NBC’s “Meet the Press” that Obama is as much a friend to Israel as Bush and other presidents.

…. in looking at him as commander in chief and leader of the free world, the GOP would prefer that people ignore what’s been going on in the real world. It brings to mind the old Marx Brothers joke: “Who you gonna believe, me or your own eyes?”

Full article here


Taking a break from dictator-toppling:

President Obama leaves Joint Base Andrews outside Washington after playing golf, October 22


Michael Williams (The Guardian): President Obama’s latest foreign intervention in Libya reflects an evolution of the American way of war and the crystallisation of the “Obama Doctrine”. Gone are the “shock and awe”, trillion-dollar campaigns of the Bush era – right on cue, the president has followed Thursday’s news of Muammar Gaddafi’s death with Friday’s announcement of the final pullout of US troops from Iraq by the end of 2011. In this age of austerity and public fatigue with foreign exploits, the Obama White House has diligently combined military force, technology, intelligence assets and patience to rack up an unassailable list of “wins” for the president on foreign affairs.

The success and strength of the the president’s doctrine lies in the fact that it is not doctrinaire. The Obama Doctrine is based upon the very pragmatic concept that the United States should defend primary and secondary interests when it can, but that there is no hard-and-fast rule on intervention. There is no “off limits” zone à la the Monroe Doctrine, no Truman-esque hard line such as the containment of the USSR that led to the Vietnam war. The Obama Doctrine is also a far cry from the Bush Doctrine’s “you’re either with us or you’re against us” mentality, which held that democracy promotion could be achieved via direct regime change – so saddling the US with $1tn of debt and an unwinnable war in Iraq.

The Bush Doctrine played right into Osama bin Laden’s hands; the Obama Doctrine killed Bin Laden…..

Full article here


BobCesca.com – Thanks Marlz


189 Responses to “chat away”

  1. 1 Lorraine
    October 22, 2011 at 5:46 pm

    As a football know-it-all, that is one of the plays for the Auburn offense.

    • 2 JenNZ
      October 22, 2011 at 5:57 pm

      I agree, maybe theyre reflecting how the President is hitting hard on the offense against the opponent (Repubs) these last several weeks.. and his pic represents a special offense play for that (if that is the case, LSU is awesome for taking that message to the college football world lol)

    • 3 JenNZ
      October 22, 2011 at 5:58 pm

      **Auburn** I meant to note… not LSU

    • 4 Sue in Minnesota
      October 22, 2011 at 6:00 pm

      How cool is that! Whatever the play I’m sure it’s a ‘smart move.’

      I am distracted by the tape job on his ankles…..I first thought he wasn’t wearing any shoes…

  2. 9 CTGirl
    October 22, 2011 at 6:05 pm

    Weren’t they at the WH? I think Gibbs was even invited to the celebration.

    • 10 Bill
      October 22, 2011 at 6:14 pm

      Auburn won the NCAA Football Championship last year and the Champion is invited to the WH each year. Gibbs grew up in Auburn and is a fanatical fan of Auburn though he went to North Carolina State where he played soccer.

  3. 11 dotster3
    October 22, 2011 at 6:06 pm

    At first glance, I thought the players were Chgo Bears—–same uniforms—- which would have made some sense, bringing the magic of the hometown guy onto the field with them. I don’t know why Auburn has kidnapped Obama other than he’s awesome. Lorraine, our sr. football correspondent, has shed some light.

    • 12 Bill
      October 22, 2011 at 6:23 pm

      Auburn’s colors are blue and orange, the Bears’s black and orange. The Auburn team seemed to have had a very warm reception at the WH along with Gibb’s and his young son’s participation. I think they gave his son a team helmet. And of course the team loved PBO. So there is a definite connection.

      • 13 dotster3
        October 22, 2011 at 6:43 pm

        Sorry Bill—-blue and orange for the Bears also. Long time Bears fan here. Our closets are loaded with the navy blue and orange. Even my little adorable 2 yr. old grandson has an extensive Bears wardrobe, just got him a jersey and a warm-up suit, all navy and orange.

  4. October 22, 2011 at 6:09 pm

    Lorraine you are so right it is a down field pass play.they just used it for a first down.

  5. 21 globalcitizenlinda
    October 22, 2011 at 6:15 pm

    Chips, you just beat me to this photo – as usual!!

    I just saw it on Getty and immediately came here to “alert” you about it because I thought it was intruiging and that TODers would get a kick out of it.

    Very glad you posted it because it brought a smile to my face as I wondered at the connection between this young man and President Obama. Could it be for insipiration perhaps?

    Either way I think it is very good that many young people find President Obama as a role model – a person they can look up to, admire and emulate in their personal lives. This alone is one of President and FLOTUS’s finest achievements

    • October 22, 2011 at 6:22 pm

      Globalcitizenlinda also if you remember Ex-PressSec.Robort Gibbs when to school at Auburn and is a WAR EAGLE FAN.The Pic of The President is used to signal one of their major football plays on offense.

      • 23 globalcitizenlinda
        October 22, 2011 at 6:31 pm

        thanks for that info – I recall that now because I watched the video and President Obama asked young Gibbs (the son of Robert Gibbs) to join the team photo .

        my OSU is in a big mess this season and I believe the Buckeye State could use some Obama-inspiration to get out of the dumps. One thing I remember is that Tressell was a proud republican and was used in previous election cycles to speak at gop fundraisers so in that case karma is a —-

        • 24 desertflower
          October 22, 2011 at 6:56 pm

          A fellow Buckeye! Lots of us running around:) Yes…they could really use some serious help this year! I come from the days of Archie Griffin…:) Always a Buckeye though…O H…IO!
          I did notice that in the picture, that the quarterback has 3 placards in his hand…PBO was the one on top.

  6. 27 GGail
    October 22, 2011 at 6:21 pm

    This is why I love TOD! Lorraine, Wesleya, Bill, Jen – you are all CORRECT!

    We all bring something to the table.

    I LOVE IT!!!!!

  7. 28 FTL
    October 22, 2011 at 6:22 pm

    Good afternoon everyone. Just stopping by to catchup. While I was on essence.com I read a post on how the President writes personal checks to some Americans. I mean if this man gets any better I am going to die. I hope people don’t try to take advantage of his good nature though.


    • 29 utaustinliberal
      October 22, 2011 at 6:24 pm

      Nah. He’d be able to sniff out the lies from a mile away. 🙂

      • 30 Sue in Minnesota
        October 22, 2011 at 6:28 pm

        Agree, hard to bamboozle our President…….he recognizes honesty and integrity because that is his own nature.

        • 31 jacquelineoboomer
          October 22, 2011 at 7:29 pm

          Exactly. People who are cynical about others all the time – I believe – are seeing themselves (negatively) in others! Not him.

          • 32 Sue in Minnesota
            October 22, 2011 at 9:03 pm

            I subscribe to that philosophy as well. Jackie, I feel so badly that I missed wishing you a Happy Birthday. Please accept my belated wishes, I hope everyday in your year ahead is as delightful to you as you are truly a delight.

    • October 22, 2011 at 6:36 pm

      I think the people he is helping are in dire straits, and I think PBO knows it. He is simply one of a kind. Even such generosity will be maligned by the ugly on the right. But that is their M.O. and we know how predictable they are. When this is all said and done President Barack Hussein Obama will go down in history as a great, great president.

      The Republicans, MSM on the other hand, meh!!

  8. 35 ChristiMtl
    October 22, 2011 at 6:23 pm

    I don’t know what it means but it’s a nice pic of President Obama.

    I just saw this on twitter:
    for the last 20 minutes, CNN has paraded analyst and reporter pushing for war with Iran and staying in Iraq.

    What’s with their obsession now with a war with Iran?

    Are they mad?
    They only have nuclear weapons after all…small detail.

    This is why 2012 is so crucial….

    • October 22, 2011 at 6:42 pm

      Are they mad?

      Yes, they are stone mad, and crazy as heck, taboot 😦

    • October 22, 2011 at 6:42 pm

      ChristiMtl, my hubby just walked in here and told me that it was some kind of offensive play, and that after the play did not work, the announcer said something about (paraphrasing) the Obama offense did not work, blah, blah. My hubby was flabbergasted that he would go there. Go figure.

      As for CNNTeaParty and the Neocons, the beauty of their nonsensical war bluster will only fall on PBO’s deaf ears. They should know by now that he never allows anyone, not even his advisors to push him into making decisions he does not agree with.

      They look like total fools pushing for war while their own country is mired an economic death grip, thanks to the same people pushing for war.


      • 38 ChristiMtl
        October 22, 2011 at 7:15 pm

        Thanks for the info Africa,

        I just read a diary in DK, I saw the link on twitter, not my favorite place but if someone on my twitter feed put a link, I know it’s ”safe”…that its not a diary bashing the President.

        The title is: Wrong-Way McCain Leads GOP Charge Against Obama’s Iraq Withdrawal

        It’s many comments over the years made by John McCain about Iraq…with the dates.

        He doesn’t know what he’s talking about now and didn’t in the past but somehow he’s an ”expert” in the pathetic media,.


        “I am very certain that this military engagement will not be very difficult.”
        John McCain, September 12, 2002.”

        “I remain confident that we will find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.”
        John McCain, June 11, 2003.”

        On President Bush and His Team

        “We are very fortunate that our president in these challenging days can rely on the counsel of a man who has demonstrated time and again the resolve, experience, and patriotism that will be required for success and the hard-headed clear thinking necessary to prevail in this global fight between good and evil.”
        John McCain, on Dick Cheney, July 16, 2004.”

        It’s just sickening really.

        • October 22, 2011 at 7:25 pm

          So sad. As I tweeted today, PBO confounds these people with his political savvy. None of them can hold a candle to him, no matter how hard they try.

          John McCain can never redeem himself with me after foisting the woman from Wasilla on this country. Every time I think about how desperate he was that he would was willing to put this country in such jeopardy, I wince. He has zero credibility to my mind.

          • 40 jacquelineoboomer
            October 22, 2011 at 7:40 pm

            To me, he also lost a good deal of credibility when he used the term “That One” about his opponent in the campaign who was looking like he’d win.

            Which he did.


            • 41 desertflower
              October 22, 2011 at 7:51 pm

              Jackie and africa…there are SO many reasons, in addition to yours, that this gigantic sham of a senator is not fit to occupy his senate seat…or be anywhere NEAR having a say in govt! I really hope this is his last few years in office…he is a disgrace to this country…bought and paid for. Country First? My dying ass.

              • 42 Sue in Minnesota
                October 22, 2011 at 10:35 pm

                desertflower….I am totally in your camp. I think he is a disgrace! I think the whole ‘hero’ backstory is very suspect as well, and very unfortunate, and unfair to all the truly unsung heros that have served our country.

        • 43 TrumpDog
          October 22, 2011 at 11:24 pm

          I’m so glad that man is not our president.

    • 44 Mel
      October 22, 2011 at 9:59 pm

      The NEO/CONS they were the one’s that ploted the war in Iraq, they keep pushing for a war in Iran
      butthis will never happen under PBO unless iran attacks the USA. it’s pure wishfull thinking by CNN,
      and the right wingers.

  9. October 22, 2011 at 7:07 pm

    To Christimtl,Luci1119,Africa; The main reason for all the cries for us to stay at war is as follows;1) the military complex of companies that fund the GREED OVER PEOPLE PARTY want to keep getting no bid contracts.2)the CNN TEA PARTY Network can’t spread more bad news to keep distracted from the Republican Talaban in congress and their doings.3) They only know how to spread fear and don’t know how to govern so they are lost without a war to fall back on.You can tell this fact is true by one test all you hear out of those who are trying to take over the White House is bash Our President Obama and not put forth one new way they could do a better job.Also this is their motto TALK LOUD AND LIE AND KEEP THEM SCARED THAT’S THE WAY TO WIN. So that is way we must fight at all cost to keep that bunch out of control and take back the Congress and add to the Senate more control as close to 60 Senators as we can.YES WE CAN DO IT

    • 51 desertflower
      October 22, 2011 at 7:16 pm

      Truth! There is no more to add to your point on summary. “If you can’t dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit!” GOP. In a nutshell.

      • October 22, 2011 at 7:25 pm

        Hi There Desertflower,Back home in Houston for about a week turned the Rig back over to the Son and next weekend taking Moma to the Grand Key ,Bahama for some RR so she can have some fun before the Thanksgiving Holidays where she works so hard putting on the greatest feast of all of us.

        • 53 desertflower
          October 22, 2011 at 7:37 pm

          Hi,wesleya! Sounds FABULOUS!!!! Have a relaxing time in the Bahamas….you both deserve it:) Glad you made it home safe and sound…you drove some SERIOUS miles….

          • October 22, 2011 at 7:46 pm

            YES I DID 5,637 MILES and my CO-PILOT was right there with me so have to make her happy putting up with me for 47 wonderful years and greats sons.

            • 55 GGail
              October 22, 2011 at 7:57 pm

              Happy vacationing wesleya & wife!

              • October 22, 2011 at 8:05 pm

                GGAIL Thank you so much it is a short break my wife doesn’t like the hassle of airports and passport checks so it won’t be long .She loves to get back to her world of home love those grands.

            • 57 desertflower
              October 22, 2011 at 7:58 pm

              Bless you:) 47 years? Newlyweds:) Sounds a bit like being a military wife…my husband was gone for 9 months straight the first year we were married…no fun.Years and years like that…he retired from the Navy….great life though. Would do it all over again if we could. But here we are…it will be 31 years this coming January.Amazing to me…and like you, two incredible kids that are the light of my life…I can’t believe that they are mine and that they fill me with such joy….have a great time….

              • October 22, 2011 at 8:14 pm

                YES we have the military in family did 2 tours in theater Vietnam and come from a military family.That is why we spend so much time together after a tour of hell you love every minute you have.So that is another reason I am crazy about this President of ours He gives a damn about the boys He Commands.They are not just a bunch of numbers on a Briefing Report some General hands Him.So we will try and have a good time as always

    • 60 ChristiMtl
      October 22, 2011 at 7:17 pm

      You’re absolutely right wesleya17….it’s their only way

  10. 61 Marlz (@marjgra)
    October 22, 2011 at 7:11 pm

    This is AMERICA. . .Sorry to say. . .

  11. 64 globalcitizenlinda
    October 22, 2011 at 7:19 pm

    the neocons and other fools whi think they can push President Barack Obama into a war had better re-read or listen to the speech he gave when accepting the Noble Peace Prize.

    I recall that PBO used his acceptance speech to explain to all WHY, WHEN and HOW he would use the mighty American Millitary to intervene in the world. He also indicated that use of force was NEVER off the table but we must always keep in mind the direct and indirect cost of war.

    Now would be a good time to re-visit the speech PBO gave in that december in Norway and to see how different/similar his actions have been from/to what he proposed that day

  12. 65 Marlz (@marjgra)
    October 22, 2011 at 7:20 pm

    Lady GaGa Parody. . .

  13. 68 halo
    October 22, 2011 at 7:23 pm

    Unfortunately, Auburn got blown out by LSU.

  14. 69 ChristiMtl
    October 22, 2011 at 7:27 pm

    A comment about the hypocrite Micheal Moore….

    On twitter: Michael Moore Planning #OccupyWallStreet Documentary bit.ly/r2Ksi4 @MMFlint

    Shocking isn’t it? NOT……he wants to make money out of it of course, a lot of money.

    He had 2 tweets today, that someone retweeted, I checked the links from his tweets; it was 2 articles on his website dated October 21, and 22- 2011..

    MMFlint Michael Moore
    Obama to Top Bankers: ‘I’m Protecting You. I’m Going to Shield You’ bit.ly/nQEyUV Pres Obama: Which side r u on? Pls RT
    7 hours ago

    MMFlint Michael Moore
    Top Wall Street Banker: ‘Obama mostly wanted to help us out, to quell the mob’ mmflint.me/nfPJN3 “The mob” is the 99% #OWS
    6 hours ago

    In one article, there’s this:
    In his new book Confidence Men: Wall Street, Washington and the Education of a President, Ron Suskind describes the reaction of the bank CEOs after the meeting:

    In the other:
    In his new book Confidence Men: Wall Street, Washington and the Education of a President, Ron Suskind describes what happened at the meeting:

    It’s events that happened in 2009 and his reliable source is Ron Suskind…the liar.


    • 70 jacquelineoboomer
      October 22, 2011 at 7:31 pm

      Guess I’ll postpone that dinner I was just going to have. Gotta settle my stomach after that drivel. Unbelievable is right.

      Moore & Suskind = what a pair of losers.

      • 71 utaustinliberal
        October 22, 2011 at 8:23 pm

        I’ll do you one better. What a pair of grade A jackasses. They’re both grifters and opportunists.

    • 72 bjw2
      October 22, 2011 at 7:46 pm

      There was a poll and it indicated just as many liberals said they hated MM than conservatives……go figure.

      Also a while back when he received an academy award for best documentary, when he made his acceptance speech he started going on some anti American rant and was literally almost booed off stage, just going to show that his self righteousness is even too sickening for the liberal Hollywood type.

    • 73 theo67
      October 22, 2011 at 8:06 pm

      These are the people speaking for OWS – as much as people want to deny it. They want President Obama out, and they are characterizing him as something he is not. I want no part of that movement. I’ve seen enough.

      • 74 hopefruit2
        October 22, 2011 at 9:01 pm

        I’m with you theo67. Matt Taibbi was on CNN this morning preaching that Democrats were worse than Repubs when it comes to Wall Street abuses. That was his response when asked by the host whether OWS will translate into votes for the President (of course, the media needs to be reassured that this protest will not hurt their precious Republicans in any way, and will only hurt President Obama and Democrats.) Mr. Taibbi made no mention of PBO’s attempts at Wall Street regulation with resistance from the Republicans and continuous efforts on their part to block the Elizabeth Warren and Ron Corduray. Mr. Taibbi made no mention of PBO’s current effort to restore the tax rate on the upper income income earners (and the usual resistance from the Republicans).

        This OWS movement is too attractive to these PL (mostly former Republicans, Libertarians and Naderites) for it to mean anything positive for our President and Democrats.

        • 75 Puddin'
          October 22, 2011 at 9:48 pm

          Well, I found out last night that here in Oakland a lot of those people are being financed…one young man who was arrested Thursday, was asked by a reporter, how was he paying for his bail, etc…he said he had “friends”…he doesn’t have a job so his “friends” were supporting him…he laughed and grinned during the whole exchange, as if this was some kind of joke…I got the impression that camping out in front of City Hall, is a big party. I am not with this so called OWS movement…you are right hopefruit2, this craziness doesn’t “mean anything positive for our President and Demcrats”…maybe in the beginning, but I think the “rea” movement has been hijacked. IMHO

    • 76 Mel
      October 22, 2011 at 10:14 pm

      Can we twett the hell out this a fucking opportunist it’s all about himself he does not give a crap
      about those OWS people he will use the yes to make A lot’s of money I hope we can block his

  15. 78 Bobfr
    October 22, 2011 at 7:35 pm

    Important post by rootless at TPV:


    My comment:

    Over the next 12 months we have important messaging goals.

    Your fine, terse essay, rootless, points to the necessity that we continue to call out Mike, Ralph, Cornell, Tavis, Jane, Cenk, Airana, etc., for their divisive and entirely self-serving (as in $$$$) anti-Obama and anti-Democratic rhetoric. The differences between Gore and Bush were vast, but folk like Mike, Cornell, Nader and others of their ilk obscured the differences and the results include death and destruction on a monstrous scale, as well as, irreparable harm to our ecosystem, a hard right turn in the Supreme Court, and more.

    We must not allow these people any oxygen, any credibility. Call them out – especially
    via media like Twitter – and confront them in any way possible. And, educate those around them that donating to their “PAC,” or whatever, is money they might as well have deposited in the Koch Brothers checking account because the outcome will be the same.

    Another goal must be to bring as many low income, very afraid, typically white Americans
    to realize that they may enjoy 18th Century hats and Tea Party slogans, but they are actually enslaved to the KOCHMAFIA and by voting for any Republican they are guaranteeing that they will lose Medicare/Medicaid, Social Security, collective bargaining, access to quality education for their children and grandchildren, and a perpetual life of fear.

    President Obama has provided us with so much substance and as bright a line of
    difference between himself and the Republicans as we could have ever hoped to have. It is for each of us to persist in a pervasive voter education and motivation campaign the likes of which has never been seen in America. We must return President Obama to the White House and establish strong Democratic majorities in the House and Senate – and at
    every level of State and local government elect individuals committed to building America for the 99%, not the 1%.

    Yes WE Can … DO MoreTogether

    On Edit:
    Our4thEstate Bobfr
    Remember Moore & West spouting their disastrous Bush=Gore, vote Nader BS in 2000 bit.ly/pi2BGS DON’T EVER LISTEN TO THEM AGAIN

  16. 81 Marlz (@marjgra)
    October 22, 2011 at 7:45 pm

    It’s ALL about this. . . even the cartoons are 100% CORRECT. . .

  17. 85 Marlz (@marjgra)
    October 22, 2011 at 7:51 pm

    This is effing awesome!
    Notable targeted killings under President Obama

  18. October 22, 2011 at 7:55 pm

    Just sent these photos to espn.
    Btw: espn has been a good outlet for this President- news wise.
    They just report the news and no snarky comments- that is Chris bermans influence, as he owns some of espn and is a supporter of the president!

  19. 88 Betsy
    October 22, 2011 at 7:56 pm

    I read the comments on the Atlantic Monthly article from above, and was horrified to see all the negative comments about President Obama’s foreign policy from saying he had none, is following Bush’s policies, that the credit for ending the war in Iraq should go to Maliki, and saying that President Obama said on Chris Matthews show that killing Muslims was more fun than he thought. I am so angry with the many ignorant people out there….sad.

    • 89 theo67
      October 22, 2011 at 8:09 pm

      This just makes me sad. A lot of hateful, ignorant people out there, with no integrity, no character.

    • 90 dotster3
      October 22, 2011 at 8:11 pm

      I don’t think those comments are representative. GOP has organized tea party and college Repubs and paid slimers to slam these sites. The first 2 or 3 comments are almost always ugly but often settle down with some normal people jumping in. But they’re everywhere, I’ll give them that. Lots of radio call ins too who are “Obama voters but are real disappointed”—-yeah sure.

  20. 91 dotster3
    October 22, 2011 at 8:00 pm

    WARNING! That “Wonderful World” song will stick in your brain. I saw that vid the other day, and it has taken up residence in my head and refuses to leave. I started singing it in bed last night. Husband was not appreciative. He must not know good singin’ when he hears it.

    • 92 GGail
      October 22, 2011 at 8:05 pm

      dotster3 – you are tooooo funny! Don’t you realize that just your mentioning that song, is gonna have it stuck in our heads! I’m gonna have to click on KJLH online to erase that tune! LOL!!!!!!

      I pity your poor husband 😀

    • 94 desertflower
      October 22, 2011 at 8:21 pm

      Wonder if this is why the Libyans said they would repay the money it cost US to oust Daffy:) Evil dictator gone…cost to US taxpayers: $0 ? Just wondering….as per the pictures, they ARE a grateful nation!

  21. October 22, 2011 at 8:10 pm

    Ot: big news this week that CNN ignores- a European bailout if the banks has to be dine or the Eurozone collapses!


    If anybody has any sense, they would think this through and do it. Just like here, bad politics, but it is getting close to crunchtime!


  22. 96 Marlz (@marjgra)
    October 22, 2011 at 8:12 pm

    Not sure what the Pope means . . . IS IT ME?? But isn’t this what the President has been saying all along? Cannot understand people who are supposed to be intelligent but act STUPID!


    • October 22, 2011 at 8:26 pm

      You see, Catholics feel their is an opening. Evangelicals fo not believe in government helping the poor and are hell bent on favoring the Rich…
      Catholics, on the other hand, do believe in government intervention to protect the rich(now, we know why OFA has hired a African American to be the new religious outreach- catholic vote is huge).
      Now, the Vatican are playing politics.

    • 98 FiredUpInCA
      October 22, 2011 at 8:47 pm

      You are absolutely correct. This is what President Obama has been saying for a long time.

      Here’s candidate Barack Obama back in 2008:

      “It’s not that I want to punish your success,” Obama told [Joe the Fraudulent Unlicensed Plumber]. “I want to make sure that everybody who is behind you, that they’ve got a chance for success, too.

      Then, Obama explained his trickle-up theory of economics.

      “My attitude is that if the economy’s good for folks from the bottom up, it’s gonna be good for everybody. I think when you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everybody.”

      Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/politics/item_iQRtIQHjYPcEoMZ0lJX0hI#ixzz1bYo3k1Wa

      The McCain campaign claimed to have caught President Obama on audio saying in 2001 he wanted to use the Supreme Court to redistribute wealth but it wasn’t true.

      “Obama said that redistribution of wealth issues need to be decided by legislatures, not by the courts. That is what a progressive income tax is all about.”

      While there are sharp differences between the two candidates on economic issues, they both favor a progressive income tax system in which people with high incomes are taxed at a higher rate than people with low incomes.

      The Pinocchio Test
      With very few exceptions, all American politicians, including both presidential candidates, are in favor of a progressive income tax system and welfare policies (such as Medicare and Social Security) that “redistribute wealth.” Barack Obama is more enthusiastic about “spreading the wealth around” than his Republican rival.”


      The vast majority of Americans agree with this concept, that millionaires and billionaires should pay their fair share in taxes. In other words they believe in the “redistribution of wealth.” Contrary to the claims of that link, this is not an idea that is to the left of President Barack Obama or Nancy Pelosi. This is a mainstream idea.

      • 99 desertflower
        October 22, 2011 at 10:20 pm

        I laugh! If anyone DARE talk about “Redistribution of wealth” they need look no further than ANY Republicans tax plans:) Their little “sound bite” talking point is meant to confuse and inflame..as usual, it’s “opposite day” out of every Republicans mouth!

  23. 100 dotster3
    October 22, 2011 at 8:19 pm

    I just saw his tweet thanking Obama, but isn’t this the most fun name in the whole wide world to say? Chaka Fattah! I love saying it. Chaka Fattah. Chaka Fattah.

  24. 104 desertflower
    October 22, 2011 at 8:30 pm

    Steve Israel is being attacked by Republicans on his “Jewishness”…dccc.org has the petition.

    • 105 utaustinliberal
      October 22, 2011 at 8:34 pm

      That’s absolutely disgusting. Republicans will sink to the most abhorrent level in any matter. They attack him because he’s very very effective. He’s DWS’s right hand man and anytime he’s on MSNBC, CNN, Today Show, Early Show, GMA or any of the sunday talk shows, he’s quite wonderful. He defends PBO like no other. Pretty much until he is blue in the face. 🙂 He calls out republicans like no other. He never ever backs down. I’m very impressed by him and DWS. Rising stars in the Democratic party for sure.

      • October 22, 2011 at 9:34 pm

        You are right UT. I love Steve Israel. He and DWS make quite a pair. They are not shy about calling the repus out. I signed the petition last week.

      • 107 Betsy
        October 22, 2011 at 9:44 pm

        I have never seen him anywhere even though I do watch some shows on MSNBC. I never watch CNN, or the Today, Early Show or GMA, because of work, or by choice (CNN), so my impression of those shows is that they never seem to have strong supporters of PBO on when they have Dems on, so I’m happy to find out I’m wrong.

    • 108 Marlz (@marjgra)
      October 22, 2011 at 8:37 pm

      WTH is wrong with these people. Why do they still vote for them. I guess when they are done, it will only be Christians and KKK left in their party. If that’s the way they want it, the more votes for us, then it will work for us. OBAMA/BIDEN 2012!

      • 109 Sue in Minnesota
        October 23, 2011 at 10:56 am

        Sorry, we need to distinguish between true Christians and the typically mostly Republican, phoney ass Christians. The way some of them conduct themselves, I can only imagine Jesus is weeping.

    • October 22, 2011 at 9:52 pm

      And the GOP thinks the Dems are losing the Jewish vote? Every time they go full bore bigot like this, they lose more people. This will go over like a lead balloon among Jewish groups.

    • 112 utaustinliberal
      October 22, 2011 at 8:40 pm

      Thanks for this desertflower. Just tweeted it.

      @RepSteveIsrael is being attacked by @NRCC @RNC @ReincePriebus for his Jewish faith. #SignAndPassOn to stop this hate.

  25. 114 Marlz (@marjgra)
    October 22, 2011 at 8:52 pm

    Still learning on Twitter. Can someone tell me what #P2 means? Unable to find.

  26. October 22, 2011 at 8:58 pm

    I joined the Coffee Party when it first started just to see what they might do. I have agreed with most of what they have done, but now they are having a rally in DC. This is the email it got. I am concerned about who Buddy Roemer who is a speaker and is a presidential candidate. What is known about all the other speakers. Are they all against Obama? I am not sure how I feel about Thom Hartmann. I use to really like him but I am not sure now. Here’s the email.

    The Enough Is Enough Rally and Citizens Intervention on October 29th at the US Capitol is taking place at a magical moment in American history. Thanks to the Occupy movement, America is finally talking about the struggles of the 99%, not manufactured political theater.

    Let’s spend a day together and build on that. Will you join us? RSVP here.

    On October 29th at the US Capitol, hundreds of everyday Americans will stand up and speak out alongside:

    Thom Hartmann, Author, TV & Radio Host
    Larry Lessig, Author & Harvard Law Professor
    Buddy Roemer, presidential candidate
    Frances Moore Lappé, Author & Founder of Small Planet Institute
    Kevin Zeese and Margaret Flowers, October2011 movement
    Obii Say, Hip Hop Artist
    Jesse LaGreca, Occupy Wall Street movement
    Robert Borosage, Campaign for America’s Future
    Linda Killian, Author
    Charlie Fink, Patriotic Millionaires
    Lisa Graves, Center for Media and Democracy
    Chris August, winner of World Poetry Slam Championship
    Douglas Clopp, Common Cause

    Mark Hays and Jonah Minkoff-Zern, Public Citizen

    Eleanor LeCain, World Innovation Network
    Shahid Buttar and Chip Pitts, Bill of Rights Defense Committee

    Starting at noon and ending when the sun comes up the next day, we will not only confront the the dysfunction and corruption in Washington, but engage in a serious dialogue about solutions.

    When: 12pm on Sat, October 29 – 6am on Sun, October 30
    Where: West Front Lawn of the US Capitol (where Presidential inaugurations take place)

    FREE COFFEE will be served. RSVP here.

    It will be a special day. More so if you and your friends can join us. Invite your friends to join us for Citizens Intervention on October 29th and the Citizens Lobby on October 31st.

    Please forward this email or share this online invitation with your friends. You can print the event flyer.

    See you in DC!

    Debilyn, Annabel, Eric, Susie, Diane, Heather and the Citizens Intervention Team
    PS – Support the campaign by becoming a Citizen Sponsor of the rally! We promise to ease up on email traffic starting November 1st.

    • 118 hopefruit2
      October 22, 2011 at 9:08 pm

      I would stay clear of anything that Buddy Roemer is involved in. This guy was a Democrat turned Repub (now a Libertarian), who made enough money from banks and big oil and now wants to make sure that certain others are not benefiting from it. He might be a third party candidate.

      • October 22, 2011 at 9:29 pm

        I don’t want anything to with this whole thing. I had thought Buddy Roemer was trouble. But I thought everyone should be aware of what is going on.

      • October 22, 2011 at 9:31 pm

        Would also stay clear of anything Thom Hartman is involved in. He is a far lefty who bashes PBO all the time. I used to listen to his show but I had to stop. He shoud be in the “Nation Magazine”. I subscribed to it also until I saw that they were “Feingold type purist.

    • October 22, 2011 at 10:01 pm

      Any group that doesn’t have a clear focus and encourages a lot of amorphous anger needs to be avoided like the plague. There is only one group that is growing every day with a clear focus and highly organized leadership and that is OFA. I think it’s terrific that OFA continues to grow in massive numbers completely under the radar. No tv crews, no pundits trying to guess their purpose, no succession of idiots trying to push incoherent messages. Let the media get distracted by these groups and let the real work carry on in thousands of counties and communities across the country. In his recent post, my hero, Al Giordano, said it geometrically more effective to know on a hundred doors with a specific message than to gather by the thousands in a park. Look at who’s gathering and who’s knocking and it tells you all you needs to know.

    • October 22, 2011 at 10:15 pm

      This Kevin Zeese , I herad him on Bill Press and he bashes Obama relentlessly. He wants to form a third party.

      If I lived in DC, I would probably go just to see what type of rhetoric they’re spouting and soon as they hit a negative tone of bashing the president I would leave.

    • 125 TrumpDog
      October 22, 2011 at 11:32 pm

      Roehmer was that guy on Lawrence ODonell claiming Pres. Obama’s donors had “dried up”. This was before the fundraising numbers came out. 🙄

      I think Romer is a fraud and is grooming himself to be the next Nader.He’s cozying up to liberals and OWS to peel off votes.

  27. October 22, 2011 at 9:22 pm

    So Chips, I’m thinking “Toppling Dictators” could be a new sport to add to your list of sports our President has mastered.

  28. 134 jacquelineoboomer
    October 22, 2011 at 9:40 pm

    This is cute. Somebody sent me a link to dearblankpleaseblank.com.

    If you haven’t been to the website, it’s stuff like “Dear short people, At least you don’t have to worry about ceiling fans. Sincerely, nearly beheaded.”

    I was laughing through some of the “letters,” when I came upon this:

    “Dear Obama, Please ignore what they are saying. You’re doing a great job! Sincerely, Faithful American”

    Love for PBO is everywhere!

  29. October 22, 2011 at 9:41 pm

    Chips and TODers I found some interesting news on Nader.

    Pull what you can from it and pass on.


    • 141 hopefruit2
      October 22, 2011 at 10:03 pm

      I don’t know whether he’s running in 2012, but he apparently wants NYC Mayor Bloomberg of all people to run! Kinda tells you what his agenda really is.

  30. 143 jacquelineoboomer
    October 22, 2011 at 10:13 pm

    Doesn’t appear as though that blog is connected in any way to the Vatican – it’s some group of bloggers called “Catholics United,” but I’ve never heard of them, and I’m sure they don’t speak for the church.

    If you read what the link says the Pope will issue in a document and their information is correct, it has nothing to do with favoring the rich or playing politics. The Vatican has no political power over any other state. The topics listed have to do with Social Justice, a big tenet of the Catholic Church. It has to do with favoring the least of these, as Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., and others have fought and died for. If the synopsis is true, the Pope is putting forth a moral statement to every country, not just to the United States. The chance of any of its overarching principles actually being put into place is no doubt slim.

    Please be sensitive to the fact that Catholics (such as I am) visiting a political blog do not really come here to defend their faith. Thanks.

  31. 146 desertflower
    October 22, 2011 at 10:25 pm

    Oh, man! THIS ought to help:) http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/updates/1416 “I’m not a witch” donated $250 to Romney because she didn’t like the way he was being treated on the Internet….and she doesn’t think that the Tea party is treating him very well! Poor Christine. Still trying to be relevant…

  32. 149 hopefruit2
    October 22, 2011 at 10:28 pm

    Gaddafi’s son Saif has been reportedly captured by the rebels.


  33. 151 globalcitizenlinda
    October 22, 2011 at 10:28 pm

    sometimes one wants to make a difference but huge challenges appear out of no where and seem to make that goal almost insurmountable. change is hard

  34. October 22, 2011 at 10:35 pm

    The GOP had a faith and freedom get together(in Iowa) and they tore each other up.
    Ha! I love it!

  35. October 22, 2011 at 10:50 pm

    Oh brother- jindal easily wins second term- no noteworthy democratic challenger(who is in charge of the dga?):


  36. October 22, 2011 at 11:10 pm

    A federal appeals court upheld Friday a 2001 regulation aimed at protecting national forests from logging that had come under fire from the industry.

    The 10th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals overturned a lower court decision to block the regulation, known as the “roadless rule,” which prevents logging and the construction of new roads in national forests and grasslands.

    “The native forests we’ve fought so hard to protect, are now safe,” said Tim Preso, an Earthjustice attorney that represented conservation groups in the case. “All Americans can now know that a key part of our nation’s natural heritage won’t be destroyed.”

  37. 159 lmrj
    October 22, 2011 at 11:10 pm

    Greetings TOD family. I’ve been traveling up & down the east coast for the past couple of weeks. Attended Grandma’s surprise 89th birthday party and visited the TOTALLY AWESOME MLK MEMORIAL just days before dedication day.

    I had no laptop; don’t like using my stupid phone to check what’s happening online; cannot stand to watch MSM lately. I was sort of in a news blackout and suffered from TOD withdrawl. Much catching up to do thanks to our own energizer bunny Chips. Just stopping in to say hello.

  38. October 22, 2011 at 11:16 pm

    Ohio straw Poll Results:

    Ron Paul 53.50%

    Herman Cain 25.47%

    Mitt Romney 8.88%

    Newt Gingrich 5.37%

    Rick Perry 2.80%

    Jon Huntsman 2.10%

    Rick Santorum .93%

    Michele Bachmann .47%

    Write-In .47%

  39. October 22, 2011 at 11:25 pm

    Friday, October 21, 2011
    Coal Plant Has Duke Energy Taking $220 Million Charge
    Duke Energy Corporation will take a $220 million charge against earnings to cover some of the huge cost of building its 600-megawatt “clean coal” power plant in Indiana. Indiana regulators will begin hearings to determine how much Duke’s customers will have to pay toward the cost of the Edwardsport facility. Duke now projects the plant’s cost at $3 billion—$1 billion more than originally forecast. Consumer groups and large industrial power users in the state argue that much of that cost should be absorbed by Duke and its shareholders.


  40. 168 Alycee (@jazziz2)
    October 22, 2011 at 11:39 pm

    Breaking: Mittens holds two little girls hostage while trying to coerce support from parents. Film @ 11. http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/mitt-romney-reaches-out-but-often-lacks-common-touch/2011/10/21/gIQAkUVc7L_story.html?hpid=z2

    • October 22, 2011 at 11:42 pm

      LOL, Those girls’ reactions are priceless.

    • October 22, 2011 at 11:51 pm

      But but but, the msm tells me that it’s Obama who is an elitist, and that he does not connect and because of that that he is losing his base and Tweety and Coward Fineman said that Obama is not a populist like Joe Biden and…

      • 171 Left-Indie
        October 23, 2011 at 10:30 am

        Because it is true. He doesn’t have the populist touch that Biden has. He has other skill that are important though. Pointing out the president lacks something is not hating him. If he was great at all things he wouldn’t be human.

  41. October 23, 2011 at 12:25 am

    I cannot believe Van Jones is now promoting janehamsher: Guide for protesters on identifying agent provocateurs & plants seeking to discredit #OccupyWS: http://fdl.me/ocXV1r“.
    I noticed that’s he’s distancing himself from PBO agenda regarding AJA, I’ve sent him the whole file, I’ve asked him to incorporated with his American Dream…he never answered me, yet he’s on tweet promoting Firedoglake…I really don’t get him.

    • October 23, 2011 at 1:53 am

      I agree with you. It bothered me that when he set up his grassroots campaign he never strongly advocated for encouraging match on wall street since he of all people knows congress is the problem. To say I am disappointed is an understatement.

    • 175 gn
      October 23, 2011 at 7:04 am

      Same Jane Hamsher who is ON TAPE deriding organized labor’s efforts to pass HCR as “union thugs” chuckling it up with the teaparties talking about she has a “guide” to plants; she *would* be able to write the book on that because IMO she is one (there, said it). I’ve been increasingly less enchanted with Jones for a few months now, as it seem as once again he is dismissing common sense and riding with the most sensational, loud, yet senseless portion of the left. Free country; good luck to him.

  42. 177 FiredUpInCA
    October 23, 2011 at 12:40 am

    Kenny Mack, Kenny Mack, Kenny Mack!

    The guy who called out the twin frauds, Cenk and Ratigan, on camera is on a fire on Twitter. Thank you Kenny Mack.

    “KennyMack1 Kenny Mack
    @VeridianPatch How, exactly, would repealing the Affordable Care Act create new jobs? Please explain, you’ve got 140 characters…”

    “KennyMack1 Kenny Mack
    @lightgraphs Dr. West & Tavis Smiley are engaging in poverty porn w/their tour. And I called them on it on the Pat Morrision show last week.”

    KennyMack1 Kenny Mack
    “Every American deserves an explanation…why Republicans refuse to step up to the plate and do what’s necessary to create jobs” Pres. Obama


    • October 23, 2011 at 1:18 am

      Thank goodness! I was so impressed with this guy—articulate, bright, brave and hoped against hope that he wasn’t a part of the PL brigade! Thank you, Firedup, for quieting my unspoken fears. He’s what I hoped for and represents the kind of participatory intelligence I hope Obama supporters deliver if they get involved with OWS.

    • October 23, 2011 at 1:11 am


      Unlike the Republican presidential contenders, who have raised more than $80 million, Obama’s campaign releases the names of its top bundlers and ranges of what each brought in.

  43. 182 donna dem 4 obama
    October 23, 2011 at 7:06 am

    Great Job Everyone!

    I’m not sure when it happened (I was out of town yesterday) but we got our Fantabulous Chips to her fundraising goal.

    $5,000,00 Smackeroos for the Presidents Re-election.

    See ya later for Sunday Dinner

  44. October 23, 2011 at 7:29 am

    Good morning. My prayer is that all the TOD family will have a blessed Lord’s day.

    Just said a special prayer for Joan.

    • 185 Sue in Minnesota
      October 23, 2011 at 8:57 am

      I join you in prayers for Joan…..I am very anxious to hear that she is doing well.

      • October 23, 2011 at 9:25 am

        Hiya Sue, I emailed Joan yesterday to ask how she was, I’m not sure how soon she’ll get back to her computer. Will let you know when I hear from her, hopefully she’s recovering well. Miss her.

  45. October 23, 2011 at 7:47 am

    Congrats Chips on hitting the 5K mark.

  46. October 23, 2011 at 7:51 am

    The United States has reached agreement with North Korea to resume searching for the remains of American soldiers killed during the Korean War after a six-year halt.

    The US said searches would start again next year in an area north of the North Korean capital Pyongyang.

    Recovery operations stopped amid tension over North Korea’s nuclear ambitions.

    Between 1996 and 2005, remains have been found of more than 200 Americans.

    US teams are due to start recovery efforts next year in an area around 100km (60 miles) north of Pyongyang where more than 2,000 soldiers and marines are believed to have gone missing during the 1950-53 war, the US Department of Defense said.

    The US insisted that accounting for missing soldiers is “a stand-alone humanitarian matter, not tied to any other issue between the two countries”.

    The department said it had concluded arrangements with North Korea that will “ensure the effectiveness and safety” of teams heading into the isolated and impoverished country.


  47. October 23, 2011 at 8:25 am

    Major earthquake in Turkey, 7.3.

    Here we go again.

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