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President Obama waves upon his arrival on Marine One helicopter at Walter Reed National Naval Medical Center in Bethesda, Md., Oct. 10


159 Responses to “chat away”


  1. 1 isonprize
    October 10, 2011 at 1:59 pm

    I’m more than a little suspect of this “occupy wall street” movement. IF they aren’t talking about occupying a voting booth, or calling their reps and senators to pass the American Jobs Act, then I ain’t interested…

    • 2 anniebella
      October 10, 2011 at 2:05 pm

      I have said time and time again, there are things we can again about to protest, but if they are going to attack the President and blame him for everything wrong with this country or world, I do not support them one bit.

      • 3 anniebella
        October 10, 2011 at 4:40 pm

        There are things we can agree to protest about, but if they are going to blame President Obama for everything wrong with this country, well I do not support them one bit.

    • 4 Bill
      October 10, 2011 at 2:09 pm

      Our country has serious problems and citizens expressing their concern in any lawful manner is healthy. No one is required to be “interested” in what others are doing.

      • 5 PoliticalJunkessa
        October 10, 2011 at 2:23 pm

        Yep.

      • October 10, 2011 at 2:39 pm

        When they are telling people not to vote such as Naomi Klein then I have problems with the people who are speaking in front of the cameras. It’s not always “healthy” if the protests are calling for negative results instead of positives.

      • 7 edp4bho
        October 10, 2011 at 2:50 pm

        They have no goal. Yes, they should be “interested” in a definitive, viable outcome. Otherwise, what the hell is the point?

        • 8 utaustinliberal
          October 10, 2011 at 3:06 pm

          Absolutely agree 100% edp4bho.

          • 9 Debz
            October 10, 2011 at 3:16 pm

            Agreed edp4bho. If they had a goal or a message, we wouldn’t be seeing people like Naomi Klein, M Moore, or tpers on TV and radio claiming to speak for the whole movement. And if there is no message, there is no solution.

        • 10 Bill
          October 10, 2011 at 3:32 pm

          No one can define what the outcome should be other than “jobs” and “opportunity” but yet there is no silver bullet to solve our problems.Their point is to show their frustration that nothing is being accomplished. I was in college during Viet Nam and many did not like people protesting then. Protesting is very American and the protesters do not need to be accepted by those with whom they do not agree. The tea party protesters were praised by Eric Cantor but yet he thinks the Wall Street protesters are a mob. We all cannot agree on the goals but to criticize those expressing their frustrations seems misplaced. If Eric Cantor, “Herb” Cain, and Michele Bachmann are against them they cannot be all bad.

          • 11 JoJothecat
            October 10, 2011 at 5:01 pm

            I was in college during the Raygun administration and the job market stunk for all graduating seniors in 1982 and 1983. Things did not get better until 1984/85 but the salaries were low and fica taxes were high. It was not until Bill Clinton when he lowered the fica taxes that things got better, salaries rose, the economy improved a lot but the Rethugs were on his but and he gave in a bit to them too. This is what pisses me off about the CBC. Clinton caved alot to the repbulicans on a host of issues that affected AA’s yet you did not see them busting his chops.

      • 12 Vicky
        October 10, 2011 at 4:47 pm

        I’m so eager to participate! I don’t expect cookie-cutter conformity and political correctness. I was thrilled and inspired by the diversity of my fellow protestors in Madison. I hope to see these protests go global! Hopefully this current movement will help our Walker recall movement come January.

    • 14 Jessica
      October 10, 2011 at 2:15 pm

      I’m giving the Occupy Wall Street movement a side eye too. I think there are some people there for a real reason but I think a lot of them don’t really know what the purpose is but are going because it’s trendy.

    • 15 LOL
      October 10, 2011 at 2:17 pm

      If they really want to occupy something- they should occupy congress. At the end of the day Wall Street pays CONGRESS to write laws that benefit them, so the real culprits are your senators and house of representatives. Wall Street games the system- but the players are our elected officials. And those protesters are sadly mistaken if they think they will get a fair hearing from the media…ABC (Disney) NBC (GE) CBS (Viacom)- Ever notice how the tea party was an organic movement that grew out of “too big government” but to hear the characterization of the OWS folks- they are “leaderless” “no direction” “hippies”- and this is just not Fox News. I agree that we as Americans should always be free to protest if we feel we have been wronged- but to throw your barbs at Wall Street is a fool’s folly.

      • 16 edp4bho
        October 10, 2011 at 2:55 pm

        Sorry, the ones I’m hearing on Rev Al radio, they sound like today’s “flower children”. So disparate, so ripe for revolution. The revolution should be as Malcolm once said….”the ballot or the bullet”. Let’s see if anyone is ready to take it where it should be, and Malcolm was not even promoting violence, so he must have meant to get your behind in gear, and work to garner an elected body to do our bidding, and not Wall Street’s. Otherwise, go home and write some poetry. Just my take.

        • 17 edp4bho
          October 10, 2011 at 2:58 pm

          There’s a girl talking to Rev Al stating that “Obama”, not President Obama, doesn’t have our interests at heart with the cost of military, and they’re there to take their country back. Now who does that sound like? How unoriginal. Give me a freakin break.

        • October 10, 2011 at 3:18 pm

          Hey ed, I did comment about her too just above you.. thus far she is the only one who mentioned POTUS- and yeah she was full of shit. Now.. what I think Rev Al is attempting to do here is to possibly harness some of this too- give voice to folks. I don’t see a problem with that.. I do absolutely see a problem with focusing on Pres Obama by anyone out there- and we have to speak up when that happens.. as I did when I tweeted Rev Al that the lady who spoke was lying about the lowering ed funding and raising military funding, when we all know very well that was congress & mainly republicans in congress.

          to be fair- I think Rev Al is making a point of NOT speaking in terms of political parties simply to support ‘people protesting’ I kinda think Rev Al is just digging the comraderie.. I mean he’s an old school activist- I get that.. I honestly think that many of these folks will ultimately make their way to/ evolve to: Congress & the republicans.. and we should help them do that by being diligent about pointing out the repubs and exactly what they’re opposing/supporting- what their goals are and how clearly they differ with these protestors stated wants/beliefs.

          Now that lady from the obvious professional left.. is all about tearing down the govt completely.. she wants the undoable, and she came without facts, just “obama this/that” lies.

          • October 10, 2011 at 3:23 pm

            I honestly think when Rev Al’s group gets to the march on DC.. things will be very specific.. and will make most of us far more comfortable.

            • October 10, 2011 at 3:25 pm

              hmm Chips, no idea why my entire comment above ed’s was removed?? totally disappeared as far as I’m seeing.

              • October 10, 2011 at 3:30 pm

                oh heck, ignore my comment… my mistake chips- I found it down below.. gosh I’m sorry- I meant to reply to ed regarding a comment I wrote down below, thinking it was up here.

                I do want to state that I think there are MANY Factions involved in this ‘protest’ this is not just one group of ‘like minded’ people- except perhaps on the ‘economic disparity’ aspect. Thats why I think it’s very possible that
                Rev Al and possibly other determined smart folks may be able to take rein of it..

                • 24 edp4bho
                  October 10, 2011 at 5:18 pm

                  Sheri, I was trying to respond to you here, and it got lengthy, then I hit a wrong key. Oh well, just wanted to say I understand where you’re coming from. To make a long story short, I’m sticking with the work to get AJA passed. Anything else will not be realized for years to come, so if these people can hold on and not get distracted by shiny things, maybe something will come out of it that doesn’t further divide us. Otherwise, I ain’t feelin it. To each his own.

        • 25 JoJothecat
          October 10, 2011 at 5:08 pm

          Rev Al should have asked each and everyone of them, “Did you vote in 2010”? and “who did you vote for”? If they refuse to answer than that’s their answer. The president can not do anything with his hands tied behind his back. These kids DON’T VOTE. They came out for Obama but thant does not mean you sit home and let him do the heavy lifting.

    • 26 dotster3
      October 10, 2011 at 3:43 pm

      I have been suspect from the beginning, but I’m starting to wonder if it might be smart to jump in and try to help corral and steer the message/demands and try to prevent any message which harms President Obama. It appears to me that all Dems are pro, and all Repubs are anti. And it is widespread, demonstrations happening in small and large cities across the country. It would certainly be advantageous if this anger could be directed to Dem advantage.
      I see that Occupy Chicago has at least released 12 demands, which include repealing Bush tax cuts, enact Buffet rule, reform campaign finance law, give SEC more regulatory power, forgive student debt, prosecute Wall St. criminals:
      http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/breaking/chi-occupy-chicago-issues-list-of-12-demands-20111010,0,6871640.story

    • 27 Puddin'
      October 11, 2011 at 1:27 am

      Thank you!

  2. 28 COS
    October 10, 2011 at 1:59 pm

    Hey Chips, is President Obama going to Pittsburgh today or tomorrow?

  3. 31 SarahT
    October 10, 2011 at 2:00 pm

    Just want to share a beautiful – and really heartbreaking – video :

    • 32 Debz
      October 10, 2011 at 2:11 pm

      Thanks Sarah, at least his is protesting something real. That is something we should see more of.

      • 33 Mel
        October 10, 2011 at 2:59 pm

        It will be good if they all call congress to pass the AJA BILL which I think it will solve some of the problem that we
        are having, However they should get their frustration on the GOP/TEAPARTY for the problems we in PBO is doing
        whatever it takes to take the country in a diferent direction for succses The Editor of the Financial Times of London
        said on GPS with Fareed Zakarias tha thw plan that PBO makes sense it’s good for the USA.

  4. 34 cuphalffull
    October 10, 2011 at 2:21 pm

    I think its important to support the OWS effort and state our support for the President’s efforts at the same time. After being faced with so much contradiction coming from the left we can be expected to be cautious but whatever portion of this movement endeavors to respect, empower and include, I am sure the President is proud of in his fellow Americans and wants to see flourish. I know I do.

    • 35 PoliticalJunkessa
      October 10, 2011 at 2:24 pm

      I’m with you, cuphalffull (probably because my cup is half full, too 🙂 ).

    • 36 hopefruit2
      October 10, 2011 at 2:42 pm

      Cuhalffull I understand where you are coming from, but I do have some serious concerns about throwing my support for a cause which may not serve my best interests and may actually work against the very goals that I’m trying to accomplish. The fact the we may share the a similar grievance about Wall Street’s abusive and reckless behavior with the OWS protesters does not mean that we share the same goals. From what I’ve read on the website of the original OWS founders, their goal is to form a third party. They view Democrats and Republicans as essentially the same corrupt outfit that is wholly supportive of Wall Street. At the protests, no one is willing to articulate what their specific problems are and what their goals are. Their list of “demands” are non-specific and could mean any and everything.They are being vague, and I think deliberately so.

      Unlike the Tea Party, which was unequivocal about who they were mad at (President Obama, Nancy Pelosi/Reid), and legislation they did not want (Health Care reform), and emphasized voting to get their people office under the Republican brand, the OWS seems unable to identify their enemies or allies, keep saying they are “apolitical” or “non-Partisian” and are de-emphasizing voting.

      This is giving me pause. The only way to effectively change the current system of corruption on Wall Street is by voting. Yet these OWS seem to have no goals or solutions in mind, in fact they seem to be rather arrogant about their lack of clear achievable goals and solutions. And what does that lead to? Uncertainty, which ultimately depresses enthusiasm and leaves one feeling dis-empowered and apathetic.

      • 37 utaustinliberal
        October 10, 2011 at 3:21 pm

        You eloquently expressed my sentiments hopefruit. Yes we may collectively despise the practices of Wall Street but that doesn’t mean our goals are the same. I’m not going to blindly throw my support behind a faction that is scattered at best and goes up and down like a freaking slinky or a yo-yo. In school we’re all thought to use critical thinking to evaluate a scientific situation, a paper, a hypothetical situation; so I resent the fact that people are telling me that we should support them blindly. Support what? A faction that tells people not to vote? A faction that blindly blames the one person (PBO) who is trying to block massive obstruction by the GOP so that Wall Street doesn’t run amok. A faction that doesn’t seem to realize that they should be petitioning congress to hear their issues out. A faction that doesn’t seem to realize the media is not their friend. A faction that doesn’t seem to preach proactive measures like increasing voter turn out in 2012. A faction that doesn’t call out the republicans for blocking the confirmation of Richard Cordray who will head the CFPB and make sure Wall Street is reigned in and consumers are protected. No one has the right to chastise me and tell me it’s important to support OWS. Until they get their act together and come up with an organized concrete philosophy, then I for one will continue watching them with leery eyes.

        • 38 edp4bho
          October 10, 2011 at 3:40 pm

          I stated elsewhere that Rev Al is supporting this, and he noted emphatically that these are not hippies, while I call them flower children. Just applying what you described them as, they are hippies, as the folks back in the sixties and seventies acted the same way…..pitch a bitch about anything…..much of it worthwhile, but now those same folks are corporate, middle and upper middle class, strung out….. It’s because they were not homogeneous in an ultimate purpose. I am hearing people saying they are joining because other people are assemblying…..they still harp about issues, and state that they just want to give their spirit with the people. It is a potpourri of issues….all well and good but who the heck are they going to work with? Or are they going to produce their own leaders…..and who will those leaders be? And what makes our President anathema to them when he is fighting for the same things they claim they are. Fuck em !

        • 39 Bill
          October 10, 2011 at 3:55 pm

          No one that I am aware is chastising anyone or is telling anyone to “blindly” follow them. There are as many voices in any protest as they are people. If one does not agree with the goals of a certain protest one can always start their own.

      • 40 bonkers
        October 10, 2011 at 3:30 pm

        Excellent wrap-up. All that needs to be said about OWS. Now can we all just get FOCUSED back on tangible issues immediately before us that will affect real change in society?

        http://my.barackobama.com/page/event/search_simple

      • 41 Bill
        October 10, 2011 at 4:13 pm

        Hopefruit2, what is your specific goal and solution? What politicians for whom you are able to vote, can and will accomplish your goal and solution? This is not easy.

    • October 10, 2011 at 2:49 pm

      I am with you too cuphalffull, this protest is talking about the Banksters, Wall Street and the Corporations that robbed the 99% of us all. I know for a fact my 401k plan took a hard hit because of these theives..

      Someone on the other thread posted a link that showed Fox news GERALDO RIVERA being booed away which was awesome. So for all their deemed faults the overall message is clear to me which is a sharp focus on the banks, Wall Street, Corporations, and FOX noise News…

      • 43 hopefruit2
        October 10, 2011 at 3:04 pm

        There are way too many inconsistencies for me to be comfortable. If they really claim to be about the Banksters, Wall Street and the Corporations, how can they see themselves as a continuation of the Tea Party? The Tea Party was FOR the corporations, banks and Wall Street. I’ve noticed for example that the OWS has not mentioned the Koch brothers a single time in their “protests.” The Koch brothers who essentially bought the midterms in 2010 and are trying to buy the upcoming 2012 elections. Yet they talk about the banks only to the extent they can use that to criticize the President for endorsing TARP. I have not heard a single criticism of the Republicans who are now blocking the Consumer Protections nominee, Corduray. I have not heard a single criticism of the Republicans who are blocking the AJA which will enable over a million unemployed folks to finally have a job.

        I’ve tried to give them a chance but my goodness, I can’t simply dismiss the unsettled feeling that I have whenever I pay attention to the OWS protests.

    • 45 Mel
      October 10, 2011 at 3:04 pm

      Yes we should as long as they do it peacefuly with specific massage we will support them, we are AMERICANS
      NOT a MOB like Cantur said the buttom line for Cantur is his rech friends on WS, so how about US the people.

    • October 10, 2011 at 3:06 pm

      Hi cup1/2full,

      True!

      WE can multitask just like PBHO! 😆

      Here’s a MUST READ for all:

      SPECIAL TOPIC: JOURNALISTS FUNDED BY ‘VULTURE CAPITALIST’ PAUL SINGER CAMPAIGN TO SMEAR WALL STREET PROTESTS…

      THE CAMPAIGN TO MARGINALIZE AND DESTROY THE 99 PERCENT MOVEMENT is in full swing, with many in the media attempting to smear the people participating in the “occupation” protests across the country. However, several of the so-called journalists deriding, and in some cases sabotaging the movement, have paychecks thanks to a billionaire whose business practices have been scorned as among the worst of the financial elite.

      As the New York Times has documented, Paul Singer, a Republican activist and hedge fund manager worth over $900 million, has emerged as one of the most important power brokers within the GOP…

      The rise of Singer’s political profile can be traced to his work as a top donor to pro-Bush character-assasination groups like the “Swift Boat Veterans.” In recent years, he has quietly worked with the right-wing billionaire industrialist Koch brothers and Republican strategist Karl Rove to finance a fleet of anti-Obama organizations, including the shady attack ad nonprofit, “Crossroads GPS.” Singer also led a controversial group of Republican moneymen in a bid to recruit Gov. Chris Christie (R-NJ) into the presidential race, but shifted to endorsing Mitt Romney. Singer and Romney are already close; Singer’s hedge fund actually manages at least $1 million of the former governor’s personal investments.

      Singer’s influence even extends to the Supreme Court. As ThinkProgress reported, Singer hosted Justices Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito to speak at his $5,000-$25,000 a plate dinners.

      http://thinkprogress.org/special/2011/10/10/339862/paul-singer-vulture-capitalist-journalists/

      OCCUPY WALL STREET, THE 30 SECOND COMMERICIAL… http://shoqvalue.com/occupy-wall-street-the-30-second-commercial

      Don’t let the elected TeaPUBLICANs (and their ilk) “change the narrative(s)” ever, again…

      STAND UP & REPEAT! 😉

      YES.WE.CAN…DO.(Much)More, Together!
      PRESS ON!

    • 47 Vicky
      October 10, 2011 at 5:05 pm

      Fully aged, hcf! We need multiple approaches in addressing our grievous inequalities.

  5. 48 PoliticalJunkessa
    October 10, 2011 at 2:25 pm

    *waves back at my Prez* :mrgreen:

  6. October 10, 2011 at 2:26 pm

    Okay am feeling a bit better about ows while listening to Rev Al.. he’s more in tune with the ‘economic justice’ aspect of this. My biggest question is still not answered and that is HOW do they expect to keep this non-partisan as they keep saying on his show? It is the Republicans who are cutting funding for education (as in one lady’s comments) it is republicans wanting to deregulate.. anyway we all know who the culprits are, yet even Rev Al isn’t naming them.. the focus is on the banks and how much $$ they make and yet aren’t giving loans, are charging high fees, etc.. all good things, but why not both focus on wall street / banks AND push the repubs on their BS?

    • October 10, 2011 at 2:31 pm

      Also and FYI for all of us, Rev Al says do not believe the media focus on this ‘protest’ he says the people there at the Wall Street protests are average people- all races, huge mix of people and all focused on one thing: the economic disparity between them and the 1% who get all the breaks. I actually am beginning to get a wee bit hopeful that this thing will have more clarity. We all KNOW NOT to Trust the Media on anything. But one thing we do know, this is pissing off the republicans- they’ve all condemned it..thus give it time to possibly bloom and evolve.. and in the meantime push for the AJA, etc. Our voices still work just fine too 😉

      • 55 edp4bho
        October 10, 2011 at 3:07 pm

        Nah, not so sure. As I stated above, that last young lady said “Obama”, not President Obama is failing us with the military budget. Look to hear more of this. With no stated goals other than to “take back the country” (sound familiar?), they, to me, are flapping in the wind. Until that so-called movement becomes participatory, I give them no kudos whatsoever. This is not Egypt, Syria, Libia. I feel strongly most of these people would love to overthrow the current government altogether and that includes the Obama administration, who is fighting for them as they speak. I ain’t buying.

        • 56 edp4bho
          October 10, 2011 at 3:09 pm

          Suffice it to say, me and Rev Al disagree on this one.

          • 57 prettyfoot58
            October 10, 2011 at 3:31 pm

            this protest does not have unity of focus…no leaders …no direction…it is all over the place….it is like a ship without a rudder….it is composed of many ideologies….some we would like and some we won’t…

            however as one person put it in a previous post…we cannot get distracted…we must Presssssss ON for the Jobs Bill…..THUMP!!…HA!

            THE STRUGGLE CONTINUES…….

  7. October 10, 2011 at 2:29 pm

    CALL TO ACTION

    Contact your senators today

    The list of Democrats who are waffling and Republicans who have not signed the Tax pledge can be found here.

    http://www.whatisworking.com/2011/05/contact-congress-address-phone-twitter.html#DEM-AJA

  8. October 10, 2011 at 2:31 pm

    Jacqueline sent out a great letter to her contacts and has made the letter available to us

    http://www.whatisworking.com/2011/09/letter-american-jobs-act-family-and.html

  9. October 10, 2011 at 2:34 pm

    Mr President, may God continue to give you the strength, wisdom and patience that
    is required to guide this nation and the world. May you find comfort in the knowledge
    that there are millions of us who are supporting and working hard for you.
    You are lifted up in our prayers many times per day. PRESS ON Sir. You are loved.

    • 64 jacquelineoboomer
      October 10, 2011 at 3:09 pm

      Beautiful. And when I saw your “millions of us who are supporting and working hard for you” comment, I recalled the beautiful comment Sir Paul McCartney made to the President after accepting the Gershwin Prize from him at the White House. Please see Paul’s words around the 7:40 mark here (which always make me cry!):

  10. 65 Fred
    October 10, 2011 at 2:36 pm

    I can’t bring myself to trust these OWS folks yet as much as I try.My sixth sense flag is going off and there is no wind

  11. 66 Bobfr
    October 10, 2011 at 2:36 pm

    Our4thEstate Bobfr
    @TheRevAl You have the opportunity to be perhaps the first to urge #ows to demand Congress pass the President’s Jobs Bill. Please do so. TY

    #PRESSON

  12. 71 jacquelineoboomer
    October 10, 2011 at 2:44 pm

    Just saw Starbucks CEO on a C-Span replay with Chris Wallace, talking out of both sides of his mouth. Went to do a little research, and got distracted by something I found here:

    http://www.change.org/petitions/starbucks-ceo-howard-schultz-halt-sponsorship-of-morning-joe-on-msnbc

    It’s a petition for MSNBC to get Pat Buchanan off Morning Joe and to demand sponsors – such as Starbucks – pull their support of that disgusting show and their disgusting guest Buchanan. Not much progress on this petition – not sure how long it’s been around – but I plan to sign. It’s appalling to me that Don Imus and Hank Williams, Jr., suffer consequences, as they should, but Pat Buchanan keeps going on and on and on. He was also on Andrea Mitchell’s show this morning; noticed before I hit the remote.

    Please sign, if you care to.

    • October 10, 2011 at 2:49 pm

      I signed it a while back.. I don’t think its been around very long.

    • 73 jacquelineoboomer
      October 10, 2011 at 2:58 pm

      This may be old news to some, but I’m just learning about it.

      So, Starbucks CEO Howard Schultz is on his own campaign to have other CEOs sign up to withhold campaign contributions for politicians and their re-elections. According to USAToday, he says his effort “is not meant as a criticism to President Obama, whom he supported in 2008, or Congress. But he told CNN’s Fareed Zakaria that ‘political courage’ and ‘big, bold ideas’ are lacking in the political arena.”

      Sounds like President Obama has “disillusioned” him. Hey, Howard, talk with George Clooney about that. Oh, and by the way, have you allowed Starbucks employees to form unions, yet? All of a sudden, I’m “disillusioned” about the taste of Starbucks coffee.

      http://content.usatoday.com/communities/onpolitics/post/2011/10/starbucks-howard-schultz-campaign-donations-/1

  13. October 10, 2011 at 2:47 pm

    I don’t know how an effective protest is going to be anything but partisan if it is “results” oriented. The Republicans are the ones who want to repeal Dodd-Frank and the progressives don’t think it goes far enough. The Republicans are against taxing the rich. The Republicans are against the American Jobs Act. The Republicans want to eliminate the EPA and the Dept. of Education. So tell me how do you have results WITHOUT challenging those who are causing most of the problems?

    • October 10, 2011 at 2:53 pm

      Exactly… but the feeling I’m getting off Rev Al.. is that this may well evolve that way- toward the repubs & the obvious.

      They’ve all complained about economic disparity, education defunding, Wall Street regulations, lobbyies & all the money they push at Congress. The problem right now imo is that it is all very ‘general’.. directed at “they” & “them”. When they start getting more specific.. then they may well have more impact. Some are saying they want ‘govt for the people’ .. great, awesome.. Most of us agree with that.. now lets get specific.

      • October 10, 2011 at 2:55 pm

        so far today not one person on Rev Al’s show has mentioned Barack Obama.. nor repubs and dems, which is actually okay – because if it makes folks wake up a bit, good. Its more about economic disparity. And thus far, folks are allll over the place in their ‘complaints’.. kind of “we’ve had enough”. I think it behooves us to pay attention and do what everyone else is doing: make it work for us too.

        • October 10, 2011 at 3:00 pm

          The point is that the 1% (who hold the wealth) have lobbyiests.. and we don’t.. etc etc. and the lobbys have to much power with legislators.. again no mention of going after legislators…?

          Okay this woman on now, is attacking POTUS w/ untrue statements.. blaming him for defunding education and over funding military.. funny how her pal Van Jones has said he’s done nothing for VETS. Which is it? So her focus is definitely Pres Obama- says no one is standing for the people- so they (the protestors) have to. Okay this broad is annoying.. “we need a whole new system”. Yowzer.. okay well you’re gonna be at wallstreet foreva. Nadda mention of the AJA being pushed by POTUS, she omitted that. She wants to run the country methinks.

          • 78 edp4bho
            October 10, 2011 at 3:29 pm

            LOL….sheri, I addressed this same person upthread in response to one of your earlier comments. This “massive uprising” as Russell Simmons just called it, is not a friendly bunch to bring forth our goals. Rev Al’s show is supporting this, but let’s see how many of those OWS show up at his march on the 16th. I still call them a bunch of flower kids….don’t care who doesn’t like it. Until they find a viable focus. As for Russell Simmons, if that was him I spoke of….stop Russell, you ain’t hurting. Once again, why couldn’t Obots have had a massive demonstration to speak of ? Everybody’s angry, yet they mostly take it out on PBO, just continually bash both parties, and for the most part, this is false equivilency.

            • October 10, 2011 at 4:33 pm

              I agree with you ed, I tweeted rev al a lot of questions.. but no answers. It did cross my mind also: how many of these folks will show up at his march. And the other thing that struck me was Dick Gregory’s initial statement about how this is mostly white kids.. feeling the pain that POC have felt for far too long. Now Rev Al stated more than once, that it was people of all races, ages.. and yet is it possible that he is also trying to create a more focused scenario? Trying to steer things into a clearer direction?

              I dunno, I still think a lot remains to be seen.. such as who emerges as a leader, if any. One person commented that they are ALLL leaders.. well thats very nice & hippie-ish.. but that ultimately makes it really hard to accomplish much. So we’ll see. I’m with most of you here in that I don’t trust certain aspects of this at all.. but I’m still open to seeing where it goes. I do feel that there are dark forces at work here, as with many things political.. and whether Rev Al likes it or not.. it is political. But will they actually effect any changes? set any real goals?

              For the life of me I cannot see why Rev Al himself didn’t push the AJA out there today. I just got tweeted by someone who also tweeted Rev Al, saying the AJA was over half tax cuts, which do not create jobs.. I tweeted back that it creates two million jobs and is far more than tax cuts + tax raises for 1mil$plus earners.. then he tweeted me back that I just ignored the tax cuts cause basically I’m all in for Obama. the Tax cuts are for middle americans.. so I’m guessing this tweeter was a republican.

              Anyhoo.. lets push for the AJA, keep our eyes on the prize and imo the jury is still very much out on what & who wall street is all about, other than a whole lotta people with several different agendas.

  14. 80 Frenchie08
    October 10, 2011 at 3:07 pm

    Hello TOD FAmily!

    I just got an interesting e-mail from own of our staunch Obama supporters who has been attending local OWN gatherings. I am not really sure how to react to this. This person said there are dicussions about forming a 3rd Party among this group with emphasis on jobs. I am not clear on what this means, but this person is so fired up about this new movement that I am not sure they are still on board with the President. I have asked the question directly and so far I do not have a response.

    • 81 Frenchie08
      October 10, 2011 at 3:12 pm

      Sorry, I meant OWS.

    • 82 hopefruit2
      October 10, 2011 at 3:14 pm

      Frenchie, what is OWN? do you mean OWS? Furthermore, could you reveal the details of this email – you don’t have to reveal anything personal, just the gist of what the email said re forming a third party.

      Furthermore, if a person is entertaining the idea of forming a third party, that person cannot possibly be a “staunch Obama supporter.”

      • 83 Frenchie08
        October 10, 2011 at 3:27 pm

        Hi Hopefruit.

        I hesitate to give a lot of details right now as I want to get clarification from this person. This person has been VERY active in voter registration, phone baning and canvassing for our local efforts to re-elect President Obama, and I do not wish to misrepresent them. I don’t know if they see this as a way to put more fire under the President or if they are being swayed toward nonpartisanship at this point. The person said that the OWLs are angry with any party that has sold out to wall street and they are calling out both Republicans and Democrats. The person used some strong language regarding the President’s lack of b@lls! I have NEVER heard this person express those sentiment before!!! This is just sending up red flags for me and I am not quite sure what it all means right now. I will let you know more as I know more,

        • 84 hopefruit2
          October 10, 2011 at 3:38 pm

          Frenchie with all due respect, this sounds fishy. Could it be that the person’s account was hacked?

          • 85 Frenchie08
            October 10, 2011 at 3:43 pm

            Unfortunately that is not the case. I spoke to one of our volunteers and this person seems to have had a discussion with this person and they relayed similar comments directly.

            • 86 hopefruit2
              October 10, 2011 at 3:50 pm

              But I thought you said that you were still waiting to “clarify” what this person meant. So you DO know what this person means, having corroborated with another volunteer – right? I really would like to see some excerpts from that email message. Did the person ask you to not share what was on the email?

              • 87 Frenchie08
                October 10, 2011 at 4:05 pm

                I do have corroboration from another volunteer. But is is my nature to get information directly from the person to make sure I understand their motivation and intent. I make it a point to make sure I have a full understanding. I only mentioned the related conversation to confirmed that the person’s e-mail had not been hacked. The person did not ask me not to share this e-mail. I chose not to share it until I have had a chance to verify their intent and possible subsequent consequences on others by this movement. My direct e-mail asked a simple question: “Are you still in for the President?” Until I hear the response to that, I will go no further. I shared the e-mail to alert the family to the fact that a 3rd party push might be in play here, not to target a particular person.

                • 88 hopefruit2
                  October 10, 2011 at 4:14 pm

                  Well I have posted several times, not just on this site, but on other sites as well as on Twitter, that the OWS explicitly stated on their website that their goal is to form a third party. This is in effect, a third party movement, not just a Wall Street Protest as people are claiming or thinking. And they are hoping to siphon primarily Obama supporters into their movement, which is why they keep mentioning his name all the time.

                  • October 10, 2011 at 4:43 pm

                    You know what hopefruit- I got an odd tweet today.. First Van Jones tweeted some poll showing that over half of all Americans support the ows over their support of dems & repubs. I tweeted back that I very much doubted such a poll as most Americans aren’t even sure what ows is all about. Some stranger (not one of my followes) tweeted back that I would be surprised (actually he/she wrote SAPRISED) by what is going on and what I don’t know. I just blocked him/her. but I do think you’re onto something- about the third party push, as Rev Al spoke more and more today about how these ‘kids’ on wall street are non-partisan. So yes, very very foolish, and extrememly questionable- especially knowing it was started by folks in another country.

                    I think the Tea Party & the likes of FOX and Sarah Palin are clear examples of how easily le, duped and spun Americans can be.. thus I can almost believe a faction of this country would fall for this third party nonsense. Funny though how they’re making an all out effort not to call republicans out at all by name.. that is the thing I keep coming back to. Notaword today on Rev Al’s show about Republicans by anyone, it was all ‘them’ , ‘they’.. not even a mention of congress except for Lobby groups.

      • 91 prettyfoot58
        October 10, 2011 at 4:45 pm

        Indeed..the notion of a 3rd party has always been around…but…the focus is …the JObS bill..putting people back to work….

    • October 10, 2011 at 3:20 pm

      You should have emailed him/her back and related, that w/o the right congress who controls what legislation is passed it doesn’t matter who’s in the WhiteHouse. If Obama’s election taught us anything, it was that good intentions doesn’t mean a thing if you have a body of government intent on stopping progress.

      This simplicity of their way of thinking just boggles the mind. Their foucus should be the congress, yet they focuss their ire on one man.

      • 93 hopefruit2
        October 10, 2011 at 3:26 pm

        I would also ask them who is the third candidate they’re thinking of. Somehow I doubt it’s a “grassroots” person. I have a strong and disturbing feeling that that individual if he/she exists, is Jon Hunstman..

        • October 10, 2011 at 3:47 pm

          That’s the million dollar question isn’t it. Who’s this magical candidate that could ride into office with a magic wand in hand and force this present congress of nutjobs to vote for taxing millionaires, taxing corporations who send jobs over seas, taxing derivative trading, and instituting a public option.

          It’s the Congress stupid!!

      • 95 Frenchie08
        October 10, 2011 at 3:36 pm

        I did e-mail them back. This person has been very active in our OFA efforts and I know personally they are aware of everything including the AJA and all the obstructionism on the part of the Republican party. I also know this person has more than a strong dislike for Republican obstructionism and do nothing legislation. This is why I am somewhat stunned and puzzled by this sudden turn of events. This person worked faithfully to get the President elected in 2008 and started out just as strong this cycle.

        • 96 hopefruit2
          October 10, 2011 at 3:54 pm

          You have given us so many details about this individual, including their use of strong language about the President’s lack of genitals, yet you are “hesitant” to provide just one few sentences from an email that they sent you?

    • 97 FiredUpInCA
      October 10, 2011 at 3:42 pm

      “This person said there are dicussions about forming a 3rd Party among this group with emphasis on jobs.” They’re occupying Wall Street to get jobs from them? A third party will have the political leverage and organizational apparatus to get candidates on the ballot for 2012 who will get Wall Street to spend the $2.05 trillion they have accumulated in the last decade but refuse to spend on hiring people?

      This is the Dan Choi school of politics. ‘The Joint Chiefs of Staff and a military culture forged over decades will do my bidding if I chain myself to a fence and heckle.’

      I am still waiting patiently to be impressed by the endgame of these demonstrations.

      • October 10, 2011 at 4:23 pm

        “Discussions” about forming a “third Party” one year out from a presidential election are like discussions about whether the moon’s surface tastes like cheese. It takes TREMENDOUS organizational skills and carefully coordinated strategies in 50 states to even lay the groundwork for a third party, let alone produce one. And we won’t even get into the amount of money this would cost. What set of diffuse ideas is this party going to be about? What “sane” and credible person is going to risk his career and fortune to half-baked venture like this. The fact that these discussions are going on tells you how unfocused these people are. What do they want the people on Wall Street to do? What do they want the president to do? Declare a dictatorship? Impose the Jobs Act without the consent of Congress? Tell Wall Street to apologize nicely? If you’re going to get people to go out in the street because they’re angry, you may get a lot of people but you won’t accomplish anything. Meanwhile, in the real world, we have to call Congress to pass an actual bill with real help for workers and real implications for the Wall Street rich.

    • 100 globalcitizenlinda
      October 10, 2011 at 3:49 pm

      from some, we seem to be getting at the root of their intentions which is to pretend President Obama is their enemy who has done nothing at all for regular people, who has not been undermined by a very unsupportive democratic elected leaders and an extremely abusive professional lefty class. they are pretending that a PBO who has taken such abuse and hatred on their behalf is the problem. they are ignoring all the obstruction he has faced from an abusive and often racist opposition

      okay. those are not my kind of staunch Obama supporters and are just showing they have no capacity to reason for themselves and see the great accomplishments PBO has wrapped up under very difficult challenges

    • 101 auntydee
      October 10, 2011 at 5:15 pm

      Movement started out in Canada by a right wing group.My own thoughts are that this a distraction to take the focus off of the AMJ bill. The evil doers had a kind of success last year by tapping into the seniors and the death panel lies, Now they have tapped into the hate for Wall Street,but at the same time steering the anger toward PBO.True there are some who have honest goals, but those goals will be drowned out by those who wish failure for PBO.My hope is that the unions will be able counteract the highjacking of this movement by the Right Wing haters. This OWS does not smell right.

  15. 102 donna dem 4 obama
    October 10, 2011 at 3:29 pm

    Thanks To ObamaCares The Healthcare Industry Added 44,000 Jobs In September

    The numbers for employment just came out last week and the American economy added over 100,000 jobs. Now the Republican Party will tell us that the reason job growth in this country is slow is due to regulations, specifically, ObamaCare.

    If this was the case, the industry that is directly regulation should be the first to lose jobs and stop hiring. So let’s look into the healthcare employment numbers.

    Just in the month of September of 2011, the healthcare industry added 44,000 jobs, with 13,000 being in hospitals and 26,000 in ambulatory services.

    Read the rest here: http://www.politicususa.com/en/obamacare-heathcare-booming

    • 103 utaustinliberal
      October 10, 2011 at 4:04 pm

      Thanks so much for this Donna. Off to tweet the good news so more and more people realize PBO more than deserves re-election and his vision for this country is magnificent indeed.

  16. 104 jacquelineoboomer
    October 10, 2011 at 3:30 pm

    On behalf of a friend of a friend, I’m posting a parody of R candidates, set to the music of Sam Cooke’s “Wonderful World” (I don’t think Sam would have minded!). Listen carefully to the “new words” …

    http://www.youtube.com/user/MsMollybean1

  17. 106 bonkers
    October 10, 2011 at 3:34 pm

    Al Giordano has weighed in on the OWS mess:
    http://narcosphere.narconews.com/thefield/4664/trait-du-savoir-vivre-occupy-wall-street-generations

    Better allow for some extra time for this one!

  18. October 10, 2011 at 3:38 pm

    Just in case people forget; there are other things going on in the world:
    US plan for troop withdrawal from Iraq becomes clear, mostly
    By CJ RadinOctober 6, 2011 12:25 AM

    Since September 2010, the US has maintained about six combat brigades plus supporting personnel in Iraq, about 45,000 troops. The current Status of Forces Agreement (SOFA) with Iraq requires all US troops to leave by the end 2011. However, negotiations are still in progress that would allow some troops to remain after that date. Even in the absence of a decision on the agreement, recent news reports make clear the US drawdown plan.

    The plan, October – December 2011

    Of the six combat brigades currently deployed in Iraq, four have plans to leave by December.

    2nd Brigade / 1st Infantry Division, is scheduled to leave in October as part of its normal 12 month rotation.
    3rd Brigade / 1st Cavalry Division will begin withdrawal in November.
    2nd Brigade / 1st Cavalry Division will begin withdrawal at the end of November.
    1st Brigade / 1st Cavalry Division will withdraw in December.

    The plan after December 2011

    This leaves two brigades, plus support troops (about 15,000 total), for which no specific plan has been announced. They are:

    2nd Brigade / 82nd Airborne Division, deployed in western Iraq
    4th Brigade / 1st Armored Division, deployed in northern Iraq

    These are the brigades that would remain in Iraq if a new SOFA is reached. Depending on how the agreement is reached, some portion of one or both of these brigades could remain.

    If no agreement is reached, these brigades will leave Iraq but they will probably not return to the US. It is likely they would redeploy to Kuwait. This would leave open the option of returning to Iraq if an agreement is reached at a later date or if some change in circumstance requires it.

    Read more: http://www.longwarjournal.org/threat-matrix/archives/2011/10/us_plan_for_withdrawing_troops.php#ixzz1aPQydQVF

  19. 109 ewok21
    October 10, 2011 at 3:38 pm

    From what I understand the OWS movement is not diversified, meaning not a lot of blacks or hispanics are involved, whenever there is a movement that has no diversity that is a clear redflag in my opinion. However I think that this new wave of protest is morphing into what, I do not know, my feelings is that nothing good will come of it. Not letting Jim Clyburn speak was disrepectfull, however the movement is embracing the teabaggers which we know is a racist movement. The core of OWS is not good in my opinion. Either they will be co opted by the RW or manipulated by the professional left. A rudderless ship looking for a captain is what the OWS movement is. They are snuffing out the Presidents Jobs bill campaign against the Republican congress and it is working. The sad thing is Americans are so easily distracted and their priorities are never in the right place, therefore lawmakers are always getting over on them.

    • 110 edp4bho
      October 10, 2011 at 3:46 pm

      Someone speaking on Rev Al saying people are mad because they know they are not being represented….shit, right? PBO. Hello !? Also, I heard someone earlier say that the initiators were at first suspicious of black people getting involved, so I guess the speaker said the words he wanted to hear to allow an in. Right! And that person they would not allow to speak was Rep. John Lewis, civil rights icon. Like some have already stated, nuf said. This is one so-called movement I would not spend my time or attention on. I’m too busy following my President around the country and the globe, effecting real change. <<<<<>>>>>>> 😀

    • October 10, 2011 at 4:00 pm

      Not sure where you’re getting your information but Occupy Wall Street is very diverse, as was the one in Las Vegas that I was a witness too. If you hadn’t noticed, Wall Street is in NY where the city is quite diverse. It’s a shame that people don’t get more educated on the movement. The media is trying desperately to compare it to the teabaggers protest. That couldn’t be more far from the truth but isn’t that what the media does? Stretch the truth to fit their agenda for ratings? Why did they remain mute for so long? Because it was a peaceful protest……at least it was until the police began to act like thuggish bullies.

      I’m telling you…..people need to wake up and find out what is actually going on. This video might help you.

      • 112 hopefruit2
        October 10, 2011 at 4:09 pm

        Lonnie, The creators of OWS themselves admitted that their stuff was an extension of the Tea Party and they endorsed the Tea Party as being “a good start.” This is why I have serious misgivings about this movement.

      • 113 Vicky
        October 10, 2011 at 5:20 pm

        Reinstating Glass-Steagall is an imperative!

  20. October 10, 2011 at 3:42 pm

    I can’t believe what I am reading about Occupy Wall Street. I am a 59 yr old (retired) female living in Las Vegas. I recently attended a protest at Occupy Las Vegas. Was a very diverse crowd with the age range varying from 7 to 85 yrs old. If we all agreed on the same message, we would not have democracy and we would be ruled by a King. People are angry and rightly so. Income inequality is a huge part of this movement but it’s not just that. Pres Obama walked into a complete and utter failure from the previous administration. This country has been seeing those affects for the last two and a half years and it’s spiraling this country into ruin. Protesters are being called “mobs”, physically beaten, and jailed for expressing their First Amendment rights. Politicians are angry because they’re being called out by the American people for covering the backs of the bankers who have ruined the middle class. If that isn’t one of those slap on the side of your head enlightenments, I don’t know what is. Wake up America….this is serious business. If the American people don’t fight back like the OWS movements are doing, then God help us all. Just had to give my two cents worth.

    • 115 FiredUpInCA
      October 10, 2011 at 3:49 pm

      “Politicians are angry because they’re being called out by the American people for covering the backs of the bankers who have ruined the middle class.”

      Which politicians are being called out? Eric Cantor, John Boehner, Mitch McConnell? Are the specific individuals who are on record for being pro-Wall Street being consistently and loudly called out at these protests? What is the concrete plan to fundamentally transform the country other than calling for a 1% tax on all financial transactions?

      • 116 edp4bho
        October 10, 2011 at 4:01 pm

        So far the only politician I heard being called out is President Obama, aka “Obama” to these folks.

        • 117 FiredUpInCA
          October 10, 2011 at 4:07 pm

          That’s the only name I’ve heard called out too. If other names were loudly and consistently being called out, particularly the specific individuals that are on record for protecting Wall Street and thwarting financial reform, then it might lend credibility to these protests. As it stands, I am not impressed yet.

        • 118 anniebella
          October 10, 2011 at 4:08 pm

          And that’s the reason why I’m not so sure about these protesters. There is no way in hell any sane person can place all the blame for this economy on President Obama. How can they stand there and not call out the Tea Party, McConnell, Canter, Boehner.

        • 120 JoJothecat
          October 10, 2011 at 5:28 pm

          I called Randi Rhodes show and the screen would not put be through. I told him that I am concerned about the group behind OWS and that is a Canadian group adbusters. The screen said this was false rumor that this a truly grass roots. So I asked my why were they protesting just PBO’s campaign headquarters and all her screener had to say was, “thats a good question”. He went on to say that they are upset with Obama for siding with Wall Street. I told him that the Republican party is running on supporting wall street why are they singling out just the president? He had no answer and said thanks for calling.

    • 122 Desraye
      October 10, 2011 at 5:07 pm

      What are their goals? The Wisconsins Protest had a goal. The Civil Rights Movement had a goal. These people are just standing around with just signs complaining about big corporation, singing songs, and dancing. The DOW is up over 300, does that sound like the Wall Street cares? I would like to see them protest in front of the Capitol and the MSM. That’s a movement that I can get behind.

      • 123 Vicky
        October 10, 2011 at 5:40 pm

        What was the “goal” of the Wisconsin protests? I drove six hours to- and fro- the protests and protested locally as well. And I’ve never heard of “a goal”. We were incredibly diverse groups with a wide array of goals. OWS has reminded me so much of what happened in Wisconsin, and is still happening. It began with people determined to be heard and demanding redress of grievances (in the plural). This is absolutely essential for a democracy.

    • 125 Vicky
      October 10, 2011 at 5:30 pm

      Agreed, Lonnie. I’ve read the posts about OWS and thought of one of my favorite Kierkegaard quotes: Once you label me, you negate me. This is what many of those supporting the top 1%, including much of the corporate media, are attempting to do to protestors. Label them and negate them. I certainly am not going to pile on! I’m so very grateful to the protestors – and hope there will be one near me sometime soon. And I’ll proudly wear an Obama sign!

  21. 126 ewok21
    October 10, 2011 at 3:57 pm

    I mean a lot of blacks and Hispanics are not involved in the protests, I agree with Lonnie on most of what she said, people are hurting out there ahd this is the only way to express their anger, this is not a mob protest like Cantor said, however we must veer on the side of caution lest we be caught up in a devious engineering scheme, this rudderless protest may be co opted easily, by nefarious cunning and powefull forces. We must have our head on tight, there must be diversity in a movement that represents all of America, the metamorphosis is suttle and dangerous. The teaparty are being invited. This is not good.

    I remember in 2009 when Rick Perry was giving a speach in Texas talking about ceceding, he welcomed in the crowd the skin heads, this is before the teaparty movement was created. I could not believe what he said, they were invited into the Republican Party the outcasts of their party to gin up outrage and bring in more voters, they courted the racists and RW militias. Now we have a Republican party that is full of hatefull racists running congress.

    • 127 edp4bho
      October 10, 2011 at 4:03 pm

      “this is the only way to express their anger”

      No, not the only way. They can express their anger by supporting the American Jobs Act, by supporting Dodd-Frank bill, by supporting the placement of Richard Cordray. They are shucking and jiving and until I see otherwise, I will call them out as such.

    • October 10, 2011 at 4:08 pm

      As an AA, one of the reasons why I have been hesitant, is the fact that Ron Paul supporters are trying to also co-opt this movement, and knowing his stance on the historic civil right Act, I will hold my support until I get more clarifications on what this movement is all about.

    • October 10, 2011 at 4:09 pm

      It just boggles my mind how you think african Americans and hispanics are not involved in these protests. I, sir am an hispanic/Native American who walked in these protests. I’ve seen them first hand. Maybe the media doesn’t want to film them….who knows. I’m sick of the racial inequality in this country not to mention the 60s mentality of bigotry.

      • 130 ewok21
        October 10, 2011 at 4:25 pm

        Lonnie of course there are some African Americans and some Hispanics involved in this protest, but the majority of them are not and that is a fact. There are some African Americans and Hispanics in the Republic party but they are not the majority. I am not saying that this movement is like the disgusting Republicans however, as a AA I cannot jump in when they stopped Jim Clyburn from speaking, what message does that send to me? I will continue to support President Obama thru OFA. It is a given that many people can identify with this movement from an emotional standpoint, and I commend you for going out and protesting the inequality in this society.

        I hope that the movement protest the real threat to their future and address the lawmakers in Wahsington, and in the State Governments and vote with their intellect and not their emotions and out of spite. “Do not give them back the keys” Presidnent Obama begged the voters in Wisconsin, after the rally they turned their backs and went into the voting booths and pushed the button that said “Republican”.

      • October 10, 2011 at 5:48 pm

        I think what people are saying is that the majority of politically aware AA’s have NOT joined this movement, or at least are not out protesting. As an AA, I am weary. I hear too much of “blame the President” for everything that ills us. I hear people like Naomi Klein go on TV and tell people NOT to vote. When people don’t vote, Republicans win. I hear too much of their is NO difference between the Republicans and Democrats. As someone who has been in politics for 40 years, I KNOW there is a difference. I also KNOW whom I will support and whom I will not. I am not saying that I definitely don’t support OWS. I’m saying show me what you got. Step to me with truth, fairness and correctness or count me out.

    • 132 JoJothecat
      October 10, 2011 at 5:32 pm

      I would like to know if these protesters even voted for PBO? Many are Ron Paul supports past and problem new supporters. I understand that there are OWS groups springing up all over but some are pro president and some are anti president. There is no clear message. Did these kids only vote in 2008 and now they disappointed? Then they need to blame themselves (sorry if I sound like Herb Cain).

    • 133 Vicky
      October 10, 2011 at 5:46 pm

      Personally, I don’t believe the majority of the protestors are stupid and susceptible to manipulation. From what I’ve heard from those involved, most are quite knowledgeable and I formed.

  22. 134 professorx10
    October 10, 2011 at 4:09 pm

    Be careful of Republican paid Infiltrators trying to act like Obama supporters. Think about it.

  23. 135 hopefruit2
    October 10, 2011 at 4:18 pm

    I am now convinced that OWS is in fact a 3rd party movement which is trying to chip off supporters from President Obama primarily.
    I will be the first to eat my words if I’m proven wrong about it – I wish I will be proven wrong. Right now I am 95% sure that I am right.

    • October 10, 2011 at 4:31 pm

      They still have to have a candidate and get on the ballot in all fifty states. Good luck with that. Money, money, money. They got none.

      • 137 hopefruit2
        October 10, 2011 at 4:33 pm

        They have that snake Jon Huntsman who’s backed by the MSM and Koch brothers machine. His 1% GOP polling is just evidence of how “sane” he is…

        • 138 globalcitizenlinda
          October 10, 2011 at 4:56 pm

          doubt if jon huntsman could be the choice of these protestors – in spite of the anti-Obama sentiments from some of them

  24. 139 dotster3
    October 10, 2011 at 4:54 pm

    I see crazy as a loon Glenn Beck is warning that protesters are going to drag rich people out on the street and kill them. (mediaite) Ay yi yi yi yi.

  25. 140 globalcitizenlinda
    October 10, 2011 at 5:07 pm

    reports I read indicated that Congressman John Lewis was denied the opportunity to speak. Did they deny Congress Jim Clyburn too? of course rudeness to any one of these two is disgusting and especially Cong John Lewis

  26. 142 Jax6655
    October 10, 2011 at 5:13 pm

    Dear TOD,
    I’m afraid of what’s happening to your site. Seems like the last few days many on here have decided to condemn OWS and other ‘occupy’ movements across the country as anti-Obama based on the comments of a few. I finally gave up yesterday after trying to say there are things about the movement that we don’t fully know. Like how they’re being infiltrated by folks who claim to be spokespersons and have ulterior motives, and moles and trolls claiming to represent the entire movement.

    If someone is mad at the entire group because a few people said something, isn’t that the same as being mad at all Black people because one or two did something messed up? What’s the difference? Just because Naomi says something doesn’t mean she speaks for everyone out there any more than Tavis or Cornell speak for me. She just got on TV. She’s not even an American. She didn’t get gassed, she’s not camping in the park. Who gives a shit what she thinks?

    Saying there are no people of color when, clearly, if you look at the videos there are a variety of people involved. Why disparage these folks by calling them hippies and the like when it’s clear to anyone who wants to see that people of all colors, ages and backgrounds are involved?

    Why are you mad because a few didn’t want to listen to John Lewis when Lewis himself says he isn’t mad?? And says he understands?

    Do you want your site to become another GOS? With folks just spewing negativity 24/7? Because that’s all I’ve seen here for the last few days. Just because folks here are pro-Obama, please don’t become purity trolls like the tea party or the folks at Daily Kos or FDL. The Democratic Party is a big tent and there is room for many points of view. Some folks are mad at President Obama. So what? He says he supports them, as does Nancy Pelosi. Are you going to be like Bush, “you are either with us or with the terrorists?” They don’t have to speak in favor of AJA to be legitimate. That’s some standard you’ve set.

    I don’t know what the entire movement is about. But I do know this. These folks have been LIVING outdoors for weeks in NYC. Most on this blog are sitting at a keyboard complaining and “casting side-eyes” at something that no one totally understands while the folks out there are getting pepper-sprayed and arrested. AND THEY’RE LIVING OUTDOORS!!!

    The enemy of my enemy is my friend. OWS is clearly upsetting the right-wingers, Eric Cantor and Fox News and them. If it’s pissing them off, that makes me think there’s something going on that I like. They shouted down Geraldo and Fox News [chanting “fox news lies”] and drove his opportunist ass out of there.

    Martin Luther King said, “there is no separate black path to power and fulfillment that does not intersect white paths, and there is no separate white path to power and fulfillment, short of social disaster, that does not share that power with black aspirations for freedom and human dignity We are bound together in a single garment of destiny.”

    The pictures that Chips has shown on this very site show that just as many white people love our President as Black people. Why let a few losers spoil that? Why let Karl Rove win by sowing distrust and misinformation? From the looks of things here, he’s succeeding.

    I say this as a 56 year old Black woman who was 13 years old when King was assassinated. I come from the old school. I remember the dogs and the fire hoses. I remember the 1968 Democratic Convention in Chicago when folks got their heads busted. Black people and white people risked being beaten and killed so that you can sit up on this blog and express your opinions rather than pick cotton or clean somebody’s bathroom.

    I’m happy to see SOMEBODY out there putting their ass on the line for something, even if I don’t totally understand. And raining down on the right wing and the MSM–making the 1% very afraid in the process.

    They don’t have to march to my drum. And I ain’t hating them.

    That is all.

    • 143 anniebella
      October 10, 2011 at 5:46 pm

      Jax6655, my only concern is, where is the anger at the Republicans? When is the anger at the Tea Party, or Canter and Cain for calling the protesters names? Where is the anger at the Republicans for sabotaging this economy? Do any one of these people think their life would be better if we have a President Perry, or Romney, or Cain? I feel like this President have not been given a chance, if anyone out there protesting think that this President could have or should have us out of this terrible mess in 21/2 years? It took longer than 21/2 years to get into this mess and it will take longer to get out. Where are the jobs some ask? Guess what the President can’t pass one dam bill. And yes, blame Wall Street. But also ask these big companies why are they sitting on two trillion dollars and still refusing to hire? I am not hating anyone, except the Tea Republicans. But my goal is to see to it that President Obama is re-elected. I’ve said before there are alot of things I agree with the protesters about, but I am a supporter of President Obama, and I would tell these protesters and anyone else that I am.

    • 144 JoJothecat
      October 10, 2011 at 5:47 pm

      Jax6655,

      You and I are the same age. Yes there are some here (including myself) that suspicous of this group and there intentions to bring down the president when he is trying his best to make things better only to be stopped by the RW GOTP. My concern is that they are not protesting the names of Boehner, McConnell, Cantor, etc. They seem to only call out the Presidents name and are showing disrespect.
      OWS is very diverse with hispanic, black, asian, young and old. Whoever is seeing very few black and saying it’s not diverse I would disagree with that. However, I would like to know more about what they want and how they are going to get what they want politically. I saw Jesse La Greca on CNN Sunday and they tried very hard to get him to say whether he was made at the President. I think what he said was fair that he wanted the politicians to LISTEN to them. He was not advocating for one side or the other, just whichever side that would come to them and LISTEN. I am just wondering if this is what the group wants, why did they turn away Rep John Lewis? I understand he was not mad and maybe they had other speakers and he could not stick around….then bad on him. He should have stuck around.

      Jax6655, school us here….tell us what is it that OWS is trying to achieve now that they have gotten the media’s attention. Do they want it to continue to grow until it is in all 50 states and territories? Do they want the pols to come to them? what?

    • 145 jacquelineoboomer
      October 10, 2011 at 6:03 pm

      Food for thought – thanks.

      Keep in mind there also are men and women on TOD who are white and in their 50s – and dare I say 60s (me) – who are from the old school and remember the events of the 1960s, which you describe. Some of our recollections are not nearly as real or vivid as yours, to be sure. But as that personal history will always inform your opinion, it will also inform ours – regarding today’s events in our country and beyond.

      What I’ve picked up on @ TOD is not so much negativity, as a learned fear of trusting anything that has the slightest inkling of turning anti-Obama. Why? Because we have all been victims of seeing that since the day after his Inauguration. Hopefully, I’m not the only one that thinks that when we discuss negative thoughts or feelings, we are doing so for the purpose of helping each other get through them – so we may focus on our real, clear mission: to support President Obama now and get him re-elected for a second term, for the good of everybody in our country and the world.

      Hope you can understand my point of view, as I do yours.

      • 146 JoJothecat
        October 10, 2011 at 6:13 pm

        Yes. Thank you jacquelineoboomer. I feel you have expressed my and many here concerns.

      • October 10, 2011 at 6:29 pm

        Yes mine too Jacqueline. Especially noting that we’ve seen things turn against POTUS from the beginning, and thus remain skeptical. Also, there is a sense here at TOD that we are able to speak how we feel, work through our concerns, share & clarify information from people and sources that we have learned we can trust.

    • 148 Vicky
      October 10, 2011 at 6:04 pm

      AMEN! And another AMEN!! Yeah, I’m another old protestor (63 yrs. old).

    • 149 utaustinliberal
      October 10, 2011 at 6:25 pm

      Jaxx6655; Do you support people telling millions of people not to vote in 2012, do you support people constantly bashing President Obama? Do you support people who are scattered ( that’s putting it kindly) and whose message is convoluted? Do you support a Canadian corporation who sees themself as an extension of the teaparty and were the ones who began this so called “movement?”, do you support a faction that seems to be chock full of Ron Paulites, libertarians, emoprogs, professional lefties who use this so called “movement” as a breeding ground to undermine President Obama? Do you support OWS Chicago who thought their main mission was to hurl racial slurs and epithets about President Obama? Do you support OWS Chicago who went to PBO’s Chicago campaign HQ’s to cause a disgusting ruckus? Do you support a so called “movement” who keeps tying PBO to wallstreet and calling him a crony of Wallstreet? Do you support a “movement” that doesn’t seem to see the truth in front of them that republicans are blocking Richard Cordray’s nomination to head of the CFPB; an agency that actually stops the predatory practices of wallstreet and big banks? Do you support a “movement” that doesn’t seem to see the truth in front of them that republicans are trying to defund Dodd-Frank financial reform law and drastically slow down the implementation of the law? Do you support a “movement” that aimlessly wanders about chanting in a zombie like manner instead of doing something proactive like registering people to vote in 2012 so GOPTeabaggers can be kicked out, Dems can retain the whitehouse and both chambers of congress and progress can finally be restored? Do you support a “movement” that doesn’t seem to understand that if they want money out of elections they should find a legal channel to strike down Citizens United? Do you support a “movement” that doesn’t seem to understand that if they want the economy to improve or obtain jobs that will boost the middleclass they should petition congress to pass President Obama’s American Jobs Act?

      Don’t harshly castigate us just because unlike you we refuse to jump on the bandwagon of a movement that is scattered and bizzare. Don’t castigate us just because unlike you we refuse to jump on the bandwagon of a movement that is has extensions and connections to the teaparty. This website is NOTHING like GOS so please refrain from using such erroneous and disgusting comparison. We use critical thinking skills on this website and it is human nature to be leery of a disorganized faction instead of jumping in impulsively. So what if they’re living outdoors. No one held a gun to their heads. They have internet, 21st century technology, food, water, music and a whole host of stuff. If they’re whining about being outdoors how about they go back inside. It’s a voluntary movement and I for one am not going to show sympathy for their useless whining and moaning. Are they the only ones who’ve ever protested? Please ……. cry me a freaking river. 🙄 Just because Cantor and Republicans don’t like them doesn’t mean we should automatically cheer their movement. What kind of crappy group think is that? If you want to join their movement that’s your business; but don’t come here and say this website is turning into GOS or spewing negativity 24/7 because in my opinion you do us a grave disservice and are frankly spewing BS.

      • October 10, 2011 at 6:34 pm

        wow I knew nothing about the racial slurs at OFA, ut. thank you

        • October 10, 2011 at 6:46 pm

          And I will add – that I still personally, cannot get past the timing of this ‘protest’.. just as POTUS rolls out his ass kicking AJA to America- loudly & boldly calling out Republicans along the way.. lo and behold wall street suddenly becomes filled up with angry people… which puts me much in mind of the the loud angry people a couple of summers ago filling up townhalls – while POTUS was pushing the Healthcare Reform Act.
          And not angry people at Congress, not angry jobless people marching, camping out on congress.

          so.. the timing has an odor I can’t quite clear away.

    • 152 SarahT
      October 10, 2011 at 9:04 pm

      Thank you !

  27. 153 globalcitizenlinda
    October 10, 2011 at 5:42 pm

    well, what some people are trying to say is that they are bothered by some elements of this movement for instance when:

    – a majority of the people who say they need a job are not making ANY mention of or calling their members of congress about President Obama’s pushing for the American Jobs Act which is due for a key vote tommorrow and would make immediate difference in the lives of some unemployed people;

    – most of what they seem to hear is some people attacking ONLY PBO and repeatedly calling President Obama by just “Obama” like he was their kid and this is not the first time people who claim to be on his side have done so;

    – some are clearly stating that they should use their mobilization to vote against President Obama and for a third candidate;

    – all they see is people who are expressing anger at ONLY President Obama who is actually voicing issues of ( such as social inequality the role of big money, the protection of the social safetynet) same as what they are saying in the protest and at the same time SOME acting like President Obama is the enemy who has done NOTHING for them. NO other politician is mentioned by them;

    – one contemplates that it is possible a majority of these demonstrators refused to vote in the mid-term in spite of the numerous times President Obama begged them to come out and preserve the progress;

    – the same people refusing to give President Obama credit for what he has achieved to date in the middle of a hostile environment and an group of people who claim to be his base but never once during these past 2.5 years came out to voice their support but only whinned how he has not done enough. this is constant critism without any complement of what has been achived to date;

    as one AA, these thing concern me very much. criticized where warranted but give credit when due

  28. October 10, 2011 at 9:01 pm

    This is my prediction for OWS: As the general elections nears and the Repub candidate is revealed, a lot of those involved in OWS will be coming home or turning to the Democratic party. As Pres. Obama goes up against his Republican opponent, the answer will be clear about who is on which side. Pres. Obama and his team will be touting their accomplishments day in and day out and the people will hear. He will be going all over the country and the people will know. So don’t worry about a third party or the professional left. Neither one can touch the dedication and discipline of OFA. The Tea Party outflanked the left but they can’t touch the true grassroots organizational skills of OFA. How could anyone form a third party from OWS if they don’t want to be lead or vote or get a universal message or list of demands? Pffffft……fuggedaboutit.

    I also want to push back on those who don’t understand why some people are skeptical. It is perfectly OK to have doubts about any movements that just pops up out of nowhere. Or seemed to have popped up out of nowhere. It is perfectly OK to ask this group what do they stand for and where do you want this to go? Ron Paul wants to get corporations out of politics too, but he would also deregulate corporations, leave you with no protections and allow them to feast on your bones. We may all believe DC is corrupt but we don’t all believe that Democrats and Republicans are the same or that Pres. Obama is the problem. This is why so many here are hesitant. Its a question of what do we do once we get there. You don’t think these are important concerns to have? I mean, come on. Have any of you ever joined a group, club, or organization thinking that they shared your beliefs and then found out later, sometimes too late, that yeah, not so much? People have been burned before and don’t want to experience that feeling of betrayal or shame again.

    I want to support OWS and I hope they start to listen and learn from REAL activists who have gotten their hands dirty like Rep. John Lewis (by the way I read that they regret their decision and want to invite him back), but I already belong to a group whose goals and endgame are clear and they have a leader who I trust and know – The Democratic party and Pres. Obama.

  29. 158 eveingeorgia
    October 10, 2011 at 11:04 pm

    I tried watching Ed tonight, thinking he would still be supporting the AJA, and the president’s push for it. Instead, I heard him trying to stir up trouble for PBO by linking him to Rahm Emmanuel’s supposed stance against teachers in Chicago. His guest was quick to agree that Rahm was against the teachers’ union etc. But, a little fact-checking on Google told a more substantive story. My take: Emmauel is about effectively educating the kids in his district. Heis not the unions’ enemy…well, you can check all this on your own.
    I came away feeling snake-bitten by Ed, yet again.
    I don’t trust this guy; he is a snake in the grass, as is Alan Grayson.
    I’m open for correction and/or corroboration. I need some clarity on this.


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