07
Oct
11

the last word

That was a seriously good discussion – with the Rev Al Sharpton, Melissa Harris-Perry and Goldie Taylor – on The Last Word about Lawrence O’Donnell’s interview with Herman Cain.


117 Responses to “the last word”


  1. 1 Me4obama
    October 7, 2011 at 8:43 pm

    Absolutely, that was the best segment on a serious issue of race and politics.

    • 2 Ladyhawke
      October 7, 2011 at 8:54 pm

      This was the most intelligent and informative discussion on race I have seen on cable television in a long time. It was brilliant and brutally honest. All three guests were terrific. But Rev Al was hitting on all cylinders consistently.

    • 5 jacquelineoboomer
      October 7, 2011 at 9:07 pm

      Thank goodness Lawrence just provided the forum and then kept his mouth shut (he gets on my nerves, but it was good to see him willingly eating humble pie for a change), so the three guests could speak freely. They were all great, sharing the common and diverse perspectives among them.

  2. October 7, 2011 at 8:46 pm

    Dohh!! I missed it. Chipsticks will you put up the video later?

  3. October 7, 2011 at 8:51 pm

    I agree. I tweeted Lawwrence and said that’s the best panel discussion he had on in a long time.

  4. 9 utaustinliberal
    October 7, 2011 at 8:57 pm

    Lots of people were tweeting about it.

    • October 7, 2011 at 9:01 pm

      It was REFERESHING to hear black voices address the issue of the Cain/O’Donnell interview. I appreciated MHP’s comments on Lawrence’s questioning of Cain’s patriotism vs. asking white politician’s patriotism. In the end, Rev. Al asked L.O. to ask white politicians where they stood on Civil Rights issues. This segment was the BOMBDIGGETY, for REALZ!

      • 11 COS
        October 7, 2011 at 9:07 pm

        I like Melissa Harris Perry’s annswer and I also liked the other lady’s take on Cain. She siad if you are running for President, you should be able to answer any question whether it is in his book or not. PBO makes the job of being President look easy. Repugs can dish it out but they whine like little baby’s when it is bein directed to them. The discussion was fantastic!!!!!

      • 14 jacquelineoboomer
        October 7, 2011 at 9:10 pm

        My thoughts last night matched what MHP said tonight about how LOD narrowed his questions, but I also agree with the perspectives shared by Rev. Al and Goldie Taylor. It’s a complicated issue, with several facets.

        This is the way we ALL should learn in this country. By listening honestly to each other. Good job.

        • 15 Charmed
          October 7, 2011 at 10:00 pm

          When Melissa 1st said that, I paused then when the conversation was expanded by what Rev. Al said I saw two sides. I seen MHP side of it being a double standard but then I seen Rev. Al point that the question was appropriate beause Cain had it in his book.

          I also liked that MHP said not all AAs were involved in the civil right marches. That’s a discussion that I think needs to be had because some talk about the civil right marches like all AAs were involved. I think some Americans are ready to have a more open honest discussion about race, the key for me is when something is said that’s uncomfortable for me to hear, I pause before reacting.

          I think a light was shined on the fact that not all black people think alike…….they all had different thoughts, which was a nice thing.

          • 16 JoJothecat
            October 7, 2011 at 11:00 pm

            Agreed. Just like the Wall Street Protest. Not all people are involved but it is getting attention and growing. There are many working people who agree but just don’t have the time or they fear being hurt or arrested but will support them with money. But if the movement achieves what it intends to like getting money out of politics or make Wall Street pay, it will be a plus for all us 99%’ers whether we marched or not.

      • 17 JoJothecat
        October 7, 2011 at 9:44 pm

        I did not get that LO was questioning Cain’s patriotism. I think he was questioning Cain’s take on the protestors today compared to the protestors for the civil rights movement that gave HIM (Cain) the opportunities he enjoys today and glossing over the folks who marched and died for civil rights.

        • October 7, 2011 at 9:47 pm

          Yes; I got the Cain thinking he’s above the NEGROES of yesteryear, totally ignoring any and all gains made during the Civil Rights mvoement that he has benefittted from. Again, I think L.O. did a fairly good job with Cain last night, I like that Rev. Al recommend he ask other white pols their stand on on Civil Rights. We can’t assume that because they were white, they should get a pass on answering the question.

          • 19 JoJothecat
            October 7, 2011 at 10:01 pm

            Agreed.

          • 20 Charmed
            October 7, 2011 at 10:05 pm

            I also think that Rev. Al’s point was, Cain invited the question based on the fact he said blacks were brainwashed and I think that Lawrence was trying to get to the point that blacks vote for Dems mostly for a reason not because they are brainwashed. Cain is disgusting, today he said it was because of “America” he reached the point he is totally ignoring what others before him went through for him to have the freedoms he has.

        • 21 William Jackson
          October 8, 2011 at 9:53 am

          I agree with you. There are Negroes like Cain, who don’t/can’t identify with Black people. We have a saying that it is Negroes like Cain that kept us in slavery for so long!

  5. 22 Charmed
    October 7, 2011 at 9:06 pm

    Best conversation I’ve ever seen on cable, it should have been an hour. I appreciated Mrs. HarrisPerry addressing people being called Obamabots.

    • 23 William Jackson
      October 8, 2011 at 9:49 am

      It would have been very interesting to have either RevAL, Ms Harris-Perry or Ms Taylor go head to head with Herman Cain. I watched the encounter on Thursday between Mr. O’Donnell and Mr. Cain. Mr. O’Donnell did a good job of calling Cain out. Mr. O’Donnell made few refutes to the answers that Mr. Cain gave (I have seen him tear into a number of his white guests). However, it was very telling in the answers that Mr. Cain gave. Many of his answers were just him trying to be smart. At the end it was obvious that Mr. O’Donnell had done enough to get Mr. Cain mad!

      I am sure that if Mr. Cain could have said, “Go to hell!” that Mr. O’Donnell would have said “I will save you a seat by the fire!”.

      I have seen Mr. O’Donnell tear into many guests who are right wing! Generally, he has always been supportive of President Obama in most ways on most days.

    • 24 smartypants32
      October 8, 2011 at 10:50 am

      I agree that it was the best discussion I’ve ever seen on TV about race. And the truth is – I now have a serious “girl crush” on MHP. I’ve always like here – but that woman has some deep wisdom!

  6. October 7, 2011 at 9:06 pm

    I could not agree more. The spectrum of view points and the way they articulated those views was absolutely refreshing. The civil rights activist, the professor, and the truth teller. What an outstanding panel for this issue.

  7. October 7, 2011 at 9:11 pm

    MHP took LO to school on a couple of points and to his credit he listened. i await the next chapter. Overall, i think the closet light has been turned on. i hope the bulb doesn’t burn out before it’s cleaned out.

  8. 28 JoJothecat
    October 7, 2011 at 9:19 pm

    Chips you are so great! I was just thinking “Chips should post LO’s show because it would make a great discussion”. Lo and behold.

    I was surprised that LO got half blow back/praise from his AA colleages about the interview yesterday. I was not uncomfortible with LO’s questioning and I thought since Herb put it in his book, it’s open for discussion. I said in another thread that I thought Herbbie was a coward for not marching for civil rights. I want to take that back. I live in Southern California and was just a kid during that and not in the South. I know if my older brother or father had protested, got jailed, beaten, God-forbid killed, I would not have like that. However, don’t act like what they did had NOTHING to do with the success you enjoy today. I give ALL those living and dead, white, black, red, yellow, who marched for civil rights ALL the props for what I have achieved as an AA woman who has gone farther than my Mom & Dad, Grandparents, and Great Grandparents. I took advantage of getting an almost free education with grants and part-time work. I have a good career and make a good salarie and is considered middle class. We grew up on welfare and thank God it was there for us to live and survive. I pay my taxes with pride because if it were not for the Federal and State governments, Lord only knows where I would be.

    If Herb chose to sit on the sidelines but chose to live his life as an upstanding individual, working hard in school, achieving in his career, paying taxes, giving back, then kudos to Herb Cain. But Don’t spit on the graves of those that fought and died for YOU!

    • October 7, 2011 at 10:22 pm

      Wow! Great comment, JoJo and true for many of us who have grown-up on public assistance and seen our circumstances improve in one way or another and directly attributable to humane social investment policies initiated by the Democrats. Thank you for sharing your personal story, and for disavowing the ungrateful and selfish perspective of Herman Caint.

  9. October 7, 2011 at 9:19 pm

    it was absolutely wonderful!!!

    I loved Rev. Al

    if Cain wants to throw stones; his Black ass should have a duck and weave planned for when folks throw some back.

    I’m also very happy that Rev. Al reminded folks that Cain trafficked in that Birther Shyt.

    YES YES YES

    some folks said they were uncomfortable with Lawrence and Cain last night. I was not one of them for 2 reasons:

    1. Cain had LIED in his book about being in high school during the Civil Rights Movement. he was in College.

    and

    2. Not just any college, but Morehouse College. The Alma Mater of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. The Morehouse of Dr. Benjamin Elijah Mays. The Morehouse in the center of the Atlanta Black College system.

    to believe that the Civil Rights Movement just ’ happened by’ a student at Morehouse would mean that you’d believe a White student, who was at UCal/Berkeley during the 60’s that that period ’ just happened’.

    I don’t believe it for a minute.

    Rev. Al was so on point. It’s one thing to say that you took your ‘ own path’. It’s altogether something else that you disrespect those who did the heavy lifting to afford YOU the opportunities that you’ve had in America.

    I loathe Black conservatives like Cain for many reasons, but chief among them is their willingness to feed into right -wing bullshyt that there simply weren’t any Black folks ‘qualified’ to do anything BEFORE the Civil Rights Movement, and the CVR, then opened the door to all those ‘ unqualified minorities’ to walk through the door. Cain reinforces that the luxury of delusion that I call the ‘World of Mad Men’ was a fact, when, it was FANTASY. They weren’t big fish in a big pond; they were big fish in a pond where 90% of the rest of the pond was shoved into sardine cans.

    There has been an educated, qualified Black class in this country since right after the Civil War. My grandmother had her masters degree by the time she married in 1905. She made sure that ALL her daughters were educated with Masters Degrees before Brown vs. Board. And, my family didn’t go to school by themselves. But, my mother and her sisters – all Phi Beta Kappas – had 2 options when they graduated: they could go into social work, or become a teacher. My father, who went to college via the GI Bill, achieved the top 1% on the CPA exam, but couldn’t find an accounting job; he couldn’t even get in with the IRS, so he went to the VA and became an X-Ray technician. I have an aunt who had a PhD in Chemistry.

    CHEMISTRY.

    Do you think she was able to get a ‘ research’ job, of any sort?

    NO.

    And, why not?

    Because, it didn’t matter how qualified you were, my family was the wrong COLOR.

    PERIOD.

    And, so, to see a slave catcher like Cain pretend otherwise….I can’t even express the depths of the despisal that I feel towards self-hating clowns like him.

    • 32 COS
      October 7, 2011 at 9:30 pm

      I was especially appalled by the statement made by Cain re sitting in the back of the bus. He is in his glory now. I say enjoy it while it last.

      • 33 geegee
        October 7, 2011 at 11:18 pm

        Can’t wait to see him go the way of other washed tossed aside fools like Armstrong William/s, Michael Steele, and that other clown who ran against PBO for senate seat(?). THEY never seem to learn.

    • 36 vero804
      October 7, 2011 at 9:30 pm

      Great comment.

    • 37 EDP4BHO
      October 7, 2011 at 9:42 pm

      I haven’t been up on all the happenings on cable and such. Sometime one just needs a break, but Rikyrah, I am so proud of your black family for putting education foremost in its quest for respect and equality. Now I understand where you get your feistiness and resolve. Keep it up, bad sister 😀

    • October 7, 2011 at 9:48 pm

      Preach, rikyrah, PRESACH IT! I have nothing but DISDAIN FOR CAIN!

    • October 7, 2011 at 10:42 pm

      I depise him too, rikyrah. He’s a lying dispicable idiot because that’s teabagger/republicons do..but, his are extral venomous lies that tag him as extra Stupid.

  10. October 7, 2011 at 9:36 pm

    I didn’t have a problem with Lawrence asking the question of Cain. I would not necessarily expect a white person living in the south to get involved with the civil rights movement in the 60’s. After all, they were living under apartheid as were black folkst. Whites would need to be very pro-active (as some were) to involve themselves in our struggle. However, blacks who lived in the belly of the lion would seemingly be a little more inclined to be involved with the struggle or at the very least in 2011 admit to the effectiveness of the protests. Cain wrote about his not participating in the civil rights struggle in his book, which I have not read. At first on Lawrence’s show he said he was too young – still in high school. What Rev Al, M Harris-Perry and Goldie Taylor brought out was that in fact, in 1964-65 Cain would have been in college. Cain’s excuse also doesn’t hold water because many young teenagers and pre-teens marched. So his excuse of being too young is BS. It was Cain’s choice not to participate and it was his right. He just needs to own up to and understand that if he wants to run for President then he needs to be prepared for all manner of questions. After all they questioned President Obama’s birth place for over two years. I hope they ask Cain for his birth certificate – well not really. But I would love to see his reaction.

  11. 42 Me4obama
    October 7, 2011 at 9:38 pm

    The one thing I didn’t agree with,is Melissa Haris saying she felt unease with Lawrence because he is white questioning Herman Cain, that she would feel conformable with Rev Al asking the questions because he is black and went through the civil rights movement. I think that’s wrong thinking and if am wrong I stand corrected.

    • 43 JoJothecat
      October 7, 2011 at 9:48 pm

      Yeah, I don’t understand that. Maybe someone here can explain the difference. The same with Sherrie on The View that she was “uncomfortable” with Barbara Walters “saying” Nigger Head in relaying a story. It’s one thing when one uses the “N” word in relaying a fact and when someone says it in a casual manner or joke.

      • 44 JoJothecat
        October 7, 2011 at 9:50 pm

        P.S. It does not matter to me the color of the person who says the “N” word casually. I don’t like it when blacks use it casually or when non-blacks use it casually and I am AA.

        • 45 Me4obama
          October 7, 2011 at 9:59 pm

          JoJo, I saw Sherry telling BabaWaWa NOT to pronounce “NiggerHead” because she is White and I almost threw my remote on my Tele wondering why is it OK as she stated that Whoopi should say the “word” but Barbara can’t. Unbelievable.

      • 46 vero804
        October 7, 2011 at 10:07 pm

        Honestly, as a black person, there is just something I don’t like about a white person saying the “n” word, even if they’re doing so matter-of-factly, like if they were discussing the “Niggerhead” issue, t just conjures up bad thoughts of white folks using the word negatively. Moreover, I don’t like the word, so when anyone says it I tend to object. But it’s just that the term is so loaded, specifically because white people used it to denigrate black folks in the first place. So when a white person uses it, even innocently, I can’t help but feel negatively about it.

        • 47 Me4obama
          October 7, 2011 at 10:13 pm

          I hear ya, vero. I just wish it’s NEVER used by anyone.

        • October 7, 2011 at 10:51 pm

          I can understand that, Vero, since the word was used so viciously for so long and no doubt led to some being murdered by those who were spewing it

          The Rappers have owned that word now..but, that’s for them.

          I just thought about the republicons/teabagger throwing “hitler” around aimed at President Obama..I can imagine Jewish people not liking that very much.

        • October 7, 2011 at 11:43 pm

          Hear!! Hear!! My siblings and I grew up during the 1950s, and my parents banned the word nigger in our house. We had the same rule in our home when my daughter was growing up. I still don’t like the word, and I still don’t use it. It even offends me when I hear some other blacks use it because they use it in such a cavalier manner and don’t seem to acknowledge the negative history associated with the word. IMHO, anyone who uses the word not only degrades the person to whom it refers but him/herself.

    • 51 EDP4BHO
      October 7, 2011 at 9:50 pm

      I can understand Melissa asking that question. Our local talk radio host just this morning played that tape of the discussion of LOD, and asked the question, “although most of us here don’t agree with Cain, do you think it was fair to ask him those questions?” When I heard some of the discussion, I thought Lawrence should ask himself why weren’t white candidates marching for equality. The onus was on black people to demonstrate for our own rights, but many whites felt it their duty to join in for the America they claimed they wanted to see. On the other hand, if LOD had the sole intent on exposing Cain’s lies, then he accomplished that, but that question can never be fair if directed only toward one group of people in this country.

      • October 7, 2011 at 9:58 pm

        THIS, ALL.OF.THIS. EDP4BHO.

        • 53 JoJothecat
          October 7, 2011 at 10:09 pm

          Agreed. There were many whites and other ethnic groups who died for the civil rights of many blacks in the south and all over the country. In California and other states, they ratified the civil rights act and many southern states did not until after 1965. Did you see the story on Rachel Maddow about the AA 96 yr old woman who has voted almost all her life and now that TN has enacted the voter ID they refused her birth certificate, rent lease, and other documents and want to see her MARRIAGE License. This GOP bastards want to roll us all the way back to 1860.

      • October 7, 2011 at 10:45 pm

        You can’t legislate emotions now can one. Some ppl need to understand that, eh?

      • 55 Puddin'
        October 8, 2011 at 4:52 am

        ….fr me it wasn’t just the questions that bothered me, it was also LOD’s tone…it sounded (to me) that he was scolding Cain. And maybe he didn’t intend to imply that Cain should have been actively involved in the movement, it did come across that way to me. Also, I agree with MHP, white folks are never asked these kind of questions. And LOD’s former boss (so to speak) did not go to Vietnam…I would like to know what he thinks about FORMER PRESIDENT CLINTON not participating in the Vietnam War…did he give him a pass?

        Okay, now let me be clear…I CAN NOT STAND CAIN…I DESPISE BLACK FOLKS WHO “MAKE IT” AND THEN HAVE THE ATTITUDE, “I GOT MINE, SO YOU GET YOURS THE BEST WAY YU CAN”. THINK HE IS DESPICABLE, DISINGENUOUS HUMAN BEING WHO IS BEING USED BY THE GOP…THEY CARE ABOUT HIM AS MUCH AS THEY CARE ABOUT PBO.

        • 56 Anna Luc
          October 8, 2011 at 12:28 pm

          As I recall, Clinton had to answer that question over and over again as he campaigned for his first term. In fact, every Democratic candidate had to contend with the question of military service since the end of the Viet Nam war. It is only with the non-serving Bush administration that that questioning has passed.

          • 57 Puddin'
            October 8, 2011 at 9:30 pm

            I do know that FORMER PRESIDENT CLINTON was questioned over and over again, but I was speaking about LOD’s opinion about FORMER PRESIDENT CLINTON’S Vietnam issue. I would like to know what he (meaing LOD) thinks about FORMER PRESIDENT CLINTON “dodging the war”? LOD seemed a little pissed that Cain didn’t participate in the war nor the Civil Rights Movement…and like I stated, for me, it wasn’t so much the line of questioning, but LOD’s tone.

    • October 7, 2011 at 9:54 pm

      I didn’t feel uncomfortable with LO questioning Cain. I do think it is wrong thinking not to ask a white pol the same question, under the assumption that becasue they are white, they don’t have the knowledge or experience of the Civil Rights movement. It would be advantageous for us to HEARE these white Republican candidates views on the issue. ALL OF THEM, not just Cain.

      They don’t get a pass, this is where the rubber meets the road. This is where the issues of race come to light.

    • October 7, 2011 at 10:30 pm

      The situation is like this. AA are part of a LARGE fraternity that we didn’t necessarily pledge for. We were in it as soon as we cleared our Mothers womb. Your instructions in this fraternity started before you could even put together a sentence. For those of us who are over a certain age, there are things, saying, and Grandparents voices embedded in our subconscientious(sp). So just as Italians will suffer the terms “ginny” and “whoap” from other Italians and not from others, so to the AA community There so things that Rev Al,or MHP can say to me that if a yt said it, i’d punch their lights out and stomp them. You have to be in the fraternity and helped to carry the load to understand.

    • October 7, 2011 at 11:29 pm

      Well, to the point of LO questioning Cain’s Civil Rights bonafides, I think it appropriate given the context of Cain himself accusing Blacks of being “brainwashed” against the GOP. That statement literally invites ANYONE to challenge Cain’s racial intelligence given the current crop of race-baiting, race-insensitive Republicans. One can be forgiven for wondering where his racial consciousness was incubated, particularly since he addresses the subject in his book. Is it possible that he passed through the 60s without being aware of the political minefield of civil rights policies embroiling both parties? Was he unaware of the fight, and who struggled against whom, who the allies were, and who won? “Where were you THEN, Cain, given where you are NOW? And HOW did you get there?” Can you imagine the irony, the insult to our forebears of this hack climbing on the shoulders of King and Rosa Parks to become a slave-catcher for the racist GOP?

      Indeed, given that context, i.e., the retrograde politics of the GOP regarding equality of all disenfranchised groups, I would have loved similar questions re gay movement consciousness to have been directed at Dan Choi, Aravosis, Log Cabin Republicans, et alia—by anyone, straight or gay. And what of Schlafly and the fight for women’s equality?

      I know I’m moving beyond race here, but from my perspective—hypocrisy around equality within the political landscape—is the intersection point at which these questions become valid regardless of the questioner.

      • October 7, 2011 at 11:38 pm

        So you’re telling someone how to feel/think? Be blessed.

        • October 8, 2011 at 12:16 pm

          I’m sorry yardarm, but I don’t understand your response? Asking someone to explain the nature of their thinking processes while they insult your own, is not the same as dictating their response. Challenging how someone’s behavior squares with their professed views is not dictating their behavior. I don’t see in my remarks that I am telling anyone HOW to feel, but trying to decipher how their feelings translate into actions that impact me seems to be valid conversational territory. And if I disagree with their ideas—from wherever they derive—I think I am being respectful if I query those ideas.

          As for blessings, rarely do I reject them;-)

          PS: I have not yet listened to the LO interview with Cain, except for an excerpt from Randi Rhodes. I am disinclined to suffer it. But from that excerpt, I don’t think it is fair to castigate African Americans who were not involved in the Civil Rights Movement. Many were not. My own involvement was late, local and did not cause me any more harm than the brute grab of a cop’s heavy hand, a jail cell and racist damage to my peace of mind. I know Black folks who are currently ensconced in the financial and professional security wrought for them by the bruises and blood of many people of conscience at whom they laughed for allowing themselves to be mistreated.

          Ain’t nuthin’ easy about this shite! So like the commenter before me, I’ll stand still for an attempt at correction.

    • October 8, 2011 at 2:01 am

      I didn’t agree with that – that’s kind of setting up a separate system for AAs. Perhaps Lawrence was overly aggressive in his questions but Cain opened up the subject for questions when he wrote about it in his book. After all, Cain was on Lawrence’s show to promote the book!!! It wasn’t right for Melissa to rule certain subjects as taboo and off limits just because Cain is AA and Lawrence white.

  12. 65 Ladyhawke
    October 7, 2011 at 9:38 pm

    Rachel Maddow just totally eviscerated Rich Romney’s foreign policy speech and his foreign policy advisers. Most of the advisers are Bush administration retreads WHO GOT EVERYTHING WRONG. I love it when she pulls back the curtain the the GOP like this.

    So Rich Romney’s platform will be no taxes, no regulations, no Dodd Frank, no Affordable Care Act, he loves America more than President Obama, and an incoherent foreign policy agenda.

    Sadly, Rachel followed with a very disturbing segment on the Republican Party disenfranchising voters across the country. The only way the GOP wins is by rigging the system.

    ELECTION PROTECTION PROJECT

    The GOP strategy is simple: Suppress the vote, win the election. That’s why we’re launching the 2012 Election Protection Project, and we need you to stand with us.

    http://www.dscc.org/epp

  13. October 7, 2011 at 9:39 pm

    Rachel Maddow did another good segment on voter suppression tonight

    • October 7, 2011 at 10:04 pm

      Yes; highlighting attempts at trying to suppress a 96 year old black woman named Dorothy Cooper def needs to GO VIRAL.

      • 68 William Jackson
        October 8, 2011 at 9:34 am

        I saw that too. I can’t imagine living in TN or anywhere else as a Black person and only miss voting once in over 7 decades. Dorothy Cooper is an amazing woman.

        I agree that it should go viral.

  14. 69 MGarvey
    October 7, 2011 at 9:51 pm

    Lawrence’s question made me feel uncomfortable, I just dont think it sit well regardless of how stupid Herman comes off when he said “Blacks are brainwashed to vote Dem” I mean not everyone is King or X, for some people they do not have the courage, that is what separates King and Malcolm from the rest. I mean its well documented that Condi’s parents werent involved does that make them less “black” NO!

    • 70 EDP4BHO
      October 7, 2011 at 10:03 pm

      Hhhmmm. It does somehow make you scratch your head and wonder, if a slave’s a slave, do they ever want to be free? My parents were northern urban people, removed from the southern experience, but that did not prevent them from being at least concerned. I grew up watching on TV the indignity suffered by black people getting hosed and bitten by dogs, and clubbed by racist radical cops, so there is no reason in hell people like Condi can conveniently remove herself from the “concern” of what her people were going through, as she so ably seems to do.

      • 71 MGarvey
        October 7, 2011 at 10:30 pm

        I read her, Condi’s biography, by…Marcus Mabry, she was isolated and gifted, coupled with the fact that her grandfather couldnt register to vote as a Dem, shaped her personality. I think their personal success reinforces the notion that its I for I and god for all. They often dont feel like they are not apart of any community by default. Black conservatives and conservatives in general are well within their right to think their ideology is the best, I disagree with most of it, and agree with some. Just as I give them the right to choose they should reciprocate the favor and not tell me I’m brainwashed or on the Democratic plantation (I cannot stand Pat Buchanan)

    • 72 JoJothecat
      October 7, 2011 at 10:49 pm

      I remember watching an interview with Condi Rice. She said she knew the four little girls who died in that church bombings in 1963. Condi had a close upfront seat to the civil rights movement just like MLK and a whole lot of blacks back then, who according to Rev Al, were republicans. Many AA’s in the south changed from republican to democrat because of John F Kennedy and President Johnson for signning of the civit rights act and voting rights and apparently a small percentage remained republican. That’s fine, but to say that the majority of AA’s are brainwashed because they don’t vote republican is crazy. Most of the people in congress who voted against the civil rights act were white dixie-crats who crossed over to the republican party. Many republicans in the north voted for the civil rights and voting rights act back in 1965 but those same republicans would not be welcome in the party today. They would we run out as being RINO’s for giving those-people special rights.

  15. 73 MGarvey
    October 7, 2011 at 9:58 pm

    god I love looking at Melissa Harris Perry, beside that, I agree with all their perspectives.

  16. October 7, 2011 at 9:59 pm

    My anger at “Manttan Moreland” is white hot right now. A lot of peoples lives were lost and otherwise destroyed so this heap of elephant dung could go before a national audience and talk about blacks being brainwashed. Does he really think his cowardly ass would be were he is because of his wit and personality.
    CAIN alot of people died and suffered so your sorry ass could go on tv and defecate thru your mouth. i’m done.

    • 75 utaustinliberal
      October 7, 2011 at 10:11 pm

      BADA BOOM! *drops mike; walks away* because Yardam’s words just encapsulated how I feel about Herman Cain’s words and behavior.

  17. October 7, 2011 at 10:05 pm

    Well said, Rikyrah. Thanks for sharing a very personal and poignant slice of your family heritage to help us better understand the perils of black conservative thought—such as mindset of Herman Cain. Congrats to your family members’ outstanding achievements as well as your own!

    • October 7, 2011 at 10:10 pm

      Indeed, NCW. Rikyrah family expereince is not an exception, It was the RULE. In our house, “YOU GET IT UPSTAIRS”. =(brain-education ) Today we have folks who are wilfully ignoring and or downplaying EDUCATION. Mediocrity has become acceptable. **looking @Palin, Joe Walsh…** Barack Hussein Obama, a black man, becomes POTUS, and now education don’t mean shit? GTFOH!

      • 78 vero804
        October 7, 2011 at 10:20 pm

        Same with my family too. We’re all highly educated because we were taught that education is the way to succeed in a deep and lasting way.

        • 79 MGarvey
          October 7, 2011 at 10:33 pm

          My parents didnt have am education but it was stressed to my sisters and I to take advantage of opportunities, learn from your parents mistake (lack of opportunities as well), and do not let the struggle of those before you go to waste.

  18. 81 EDP4BHO
    October 7, 2011 at 10:09 pm

    I tipped in, now I’m tippin out. Good nite all TOD. Enjoy your weekend, supposed to be pretty nice. Keep praying for PBO and for us 😀

  19. 82 symmetry11
    October 7, 2011 at 10:38 pm

    FYI: AP Source: President Barack Obama to visit metro Detroit with South Korean President Lee next week

    Read more: http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/local_news/president-obama-detroit-visit-south-korea#ixzz1a9c2AWKP

  20. October 7, 2011 at 10:38 pm

    Excellent, I wish they would have fewer and longer segments. The myth of race is a carry over from Europe, this is America and we all have some of the DNA of everywhere and here. For real, do your family tree.

    • 85 bonkers
      October 7, 2011 at 11:12 pm

      Thanks for making this point about the “myth of race.” It’s just about how far back you want to draw the line in history.

      Let’s just say I have experience with this scenario: An adopted child who doesn’t show exact features of any particular “race,” but is clearly not what is stereotypically called “white.” Many people say this adopted child grown up looks this “race.” Others swear another “race.” And yet there’s another “race” that many seemed convinced of. I won’t even start on the various “mixed” suggestions that have been received over the years.

      And then this adopted person needs to fill out forms stating a “race.” Some forms don’t even include the laughable “Other” category, or as I like to say, “Otherian.”

      Since it was a closed adoption way back when, this person has no idea how to answer any of the questions about their own “race.” No one does. Race is meaningless.

      • October 8, 2011 at 12:37 pm

        Thanks Chips for this wonderful forum you provide for us . I come at least twice a day to replenish my soul. It is a wonderful oasis.

        As Rikyrah, MGarvey and vero804 and said up thread, in many black households, education was seen as a mobilizing factor. Parents invested heavily in their child’s education, hoping to in order to ensure their success. I am suspicious of Herman Cain’s story. Yes, he is a successful black man of his own making, but I do agree that he achieved that on the backs of those souls who marched, protested, sat in, rode freedom buses, took water hoses, got bit by dogs, took the verbal abuses as they integrated schools and who were routinely rejected for jobs they were over qualified for, just because of who they were. Any black person ( especially a politician who attended Morehouse College, MLK’s alma mater and who aspires to follow in PBO’s footsteps), should really acknowledge that. Not doing so, espouses a Lilliputian sense of history.

        With regards to race, my seventeen year old daughter has a “Ban Racial Labels” campaign since the eight grade. she and I routinely check “human” on application forms asking for “race”. She was fortunate enough to have an essay published in the local student newspaper . See the link below.

        http://www.freewebs.com/banracialabels/

  21. 88 GOVCHRIS1988
    October 7, 2011 at 10:40 pm

    I’m gonna say this, Herman Cain is nothing but an insurance policy for white conservatives to safeguard themselves from racism. Its the very reason that someone like Laura Ingraham can spout off bullshit like this.

    http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal/2011_10/the_farright_arbiters_of_racia032684.php

    Laura Ingraham, like Herman Cain REALLY doesn’t understand what happened during the first 150 years that this nation existed. Hell, I’d like to have a Henry Louis Gates Jr. styled genealogy search on Herman Cain. Trust me, shake our trees hard enough,the rainbow coalition would fall out. My white great grandfather and my choctaw great great grandmother would make Laura Ingraham question if I was authentically black.

    Its funny though. Barack Obama’s father was from Kenya. Straight from Africa. Born there, more than likely had hardly any white lineage, which makes Barack Obama more “AUTHENTICALLY” black than black folks in the U.S. Its amazing how they try to play this, try to deny the first African American President that title. Demean him and then get their slave catching overseer to endorse their vile views of him, embarrassing himself constantly. Calling black folks brainwashed into not voting for the party who always calls for government spending, meaning our assistance, our student aid, our After School Programs which helps to keep our streets less violent and our kids educated and happy, are on the chopping block. That we are just so stupid to not vote for a party who hilariously believes that rich, white males are “oppressed” more than minorities. That we are just so naive to not vote for a party who uses us as a boogeyman to scare older white voters into voting for them out of fear and malice. That we are just so ass backward to vote against a party who seems to falsify history and omit important pieces of ours which tell the complete story. “Weez jus so ignant, ain’t we Herman?”

    Trust me, Herman’s downfall is coming. His usefulness will be used, just like it was with Armstrong Williams. Just like J.C. Watts. Its coming for Allen West and Tim Scott, just like it did for Michael Steele. Its going to jump Lieutenant Governor Jennifer Carroll, like it consumed Ken Blackwell. They will be the overseers, but they will never become Master.

    • October 7, 2011 at 10:44 pm

      overseer?

      real overseers have loaded guns.

      you know that they send Herman out with a gun that has no bullets.

    • October 7, 2011 at 10:53 pm

      You broke it down like a fraction GOVCHRIS1988. right to the crux of the matter. Barack Hussein Obama’s daddy was PURE BLACKNESS. He wasn’t enslaved. He rolled up in America and impregnated a white woman from KANSAS, and their off spring is now our 44th POTUS. So what does the GOP do, they collect a few SLAVE-CATCHING COONS, yes, I said it, like **HERMIE CAIN** w\jo’s wllling to do their bidding for 15 minutes of fame and name recognition. to try and defeat and destroy PBO.

      They will FAIL. Balck folks I know, KNOW OUR HISTORY.

    • 93 JoJothecat
      October 7, 2011 at 11:21 pm

      Yep. Let that mother sucker keep talking and he’ll land a foot in it. Rush Limpballs already had to tug at his leash this week for saying Perry was insensitive.

    • October 7, 2011 at 11:39 pm

      Perfecto! On all points, Gov!

    • 95 Ladyhawke
      October 8, 2011 at 6:51 am

      govchris1988 said: Trust me, Herman’s downfall is coming.

      It can’t happen soon enough for me. I think this interview may turn out to be “Herb” Cain’s Katie Couric moment. What really came across loud and clear to me is that he has a very thin skin. If he is going to get this worked up when he is asked a tough question, how will he handle an hour press conference with the White House Press Corps?

      • October 8, 2011 at 12:31 pm

        He has said he can get one third of blacks to vote for him. I don’t think so. The LO’D interview revealed him as a man willing to say/do anything, even dismissing the role that the Civil Rights Movement has played in propelling him to the heights he has reached. I don’t think this will go over well with the majority of blacks in this country. I didn’t even entertain the thought of voting for him, but his recent comments have totally turned me off to even thinking he is a human with any compassion for anyone except himself and the richest members of our society. IMO, he put the nail in his coffin with most black voters when he fed red meat to the attendees at the Values Votes Summit by pretending that there has ever been a level playing field for POC and many others in this country. He doesn’t deserve to be CIC. Panderer in Chief is a more suitable position/title for him.

  22. 97 Charmed
    October 7, 2011 at 10:45 pm

    I listen to Melissa again and now, I’m seeing things more as she did but before I couldn’t because I was thinking Cain instead of Pres. Obama. The one thing that really pisses me off about the media is that they ask Pres. Obama questions they would have never asked a white man, for instance the Professor Gates incident or even the Troy Davis case. It’s like the media and a lot of the elite black media want President Obama to be a actavist instead of the President.

    • October 7, 2011 at 11:24 pm

      Let there be no doubt that the ALMIGHTY knew what was going on. Think of one person who could occupy the WH and maintain his cool to the extent of PBO?

      • 99 jacquelineoboomer
        October 8, 2011 at 2:23 am

        I definitely agree with that, yardarm. Thank you, God in the heavens, even though we don’t seem to deserve him!

    • October 8, 2011 at 2:02 am

      It is only partly because he is black. The other part is that he is a democrat. Don’t forget how Roosevelt, Kennedy, and Clinton were treated. There is a double standard in the media and else where. They are corporatists.

  23. 101 Sue
    October 7, 2011 at 10:55 pm

    Excellent segment. Thank you Lawrence O’Donnell for stepping back and letting others talk with few interruptions.

  24. 102 HOPE44
    October 7, 2011 at 11:23 pm

    I watched the LO interview and I had no problem with the questions asked. I say this because these questions were not
    being posed to just an average man on the street but they were being asked of a man who is running to be President of
    the United States. And I might add the questions were primarily based on comments that Cain made in his book.
    As an AA, I was and am personally disgusted by Cains attitude which is similar to Clarence Thomas’s declaration of them ‘pulling themselves
    up by their bootstraps’. No they did not. Especially since they are black americans.

    I have no problem with him making the choice not to join in the movement as a teenager. That was his choice and I can
    live with that . What really galls me is his total ignorant disregard of the benefits he has reaped BECAUSE there
    were others who fought and died to make it possible for him to be where he is today. It’s akin to the people who
    have become wealthy in our society patting themselves on the back without acknowledging that they
    had the use of our roads,bridges, police force, healthcare etc. that gave them the framework within which
    they could accomplish their dreams. Cain said his father told him to just go to the back of the bus so as not to cause
    any trouble. Again I thought it was a very pertinent question for him to be asked, what if Rosa Parks had adhered to
    that policy…where would all AA’s be sitting today, including myself.

    I can understand MHP’s point of view. But I see this as two different sets of facts and arguments running on parallel tracks.
    Yes her point of view is valid but we should not use that to obscure the the disturbing utterances from
    this person who is aspiring to hold the highest office in the land. He insults the intelligence
    of all AA with his ‘Brainwashed’ comment, just to name one of his ignorant utterances.

    As I see it, Cain totally personifies the quote from the great AA author Zora Neale Hurston which says…
    “PEOPLE CAN BE SLAVE-SHIPS IN SHOES”.

    • October 8, 2011 at 12:36 pm

      THIS. I was not offended by LOD’s interview at all. Cain set the stage by writing one thing in his book and saying another in interviews. Yep, he’s a 100% self made man. Forget about those who put their lives on the line so that he could have an opportunity to become a CEO in a major corporation. He has disrespected everyone who went to bat for him when he was unwilling to do it for himself. He’s despicable, imo.

      • October 9, 2011 at 6:29 am

        I was not offended by what LOD did either. I would love to see Cain have an encounter with RevAL. I think that LOD does a great job in challenging ALL of his guests that have controversial statements linked to them. LOD is great at recognizing hypocrisy and at exposing it. I have seen LOD be harder on white right wing guests than he was on Cain. His tone was Cain was very civil. He asked the questions to Cain and allowed him to answer. He did not raise his voice to Cain. I have seen LOD get very angry with some of his guests. Others just get the tough question and then LOD just moves on after their answer.

  25. 105 Bobfr
    October 7, 2011 at 11:54 pm

    Our4thEstate Bobfr
    @THEHermanCain Not ‘America,’ but brave black and white Americans ARE THE REASON you had any chance of prospering. You FAIL, Totally.

    Our4thEstate Bobfr
    Cain the Lame – You admitted it, dude. You sat in the back of the bus while courageous black & white Americans fought for Civil Rights.

    #PRESSON

  26. October 8, 2011 at 12:25 am

    Saw the outstanding Last Word segment but had to go out after it. A dear friend of mine got word that her sister who had been suffering with cancer passed away this evening. So I went to spend some time with her. My friend and I knocked on many doors for Pres Obama in 2008.

    Anyway I just had a chance to catch up and read the brilliant comments here. You guys rock. I love the comment about Pres Obama’s daddy being pure blackness.

    You guys are just the bomb.

  27. October 8, 2011 at 12:51 am

    Phenomenal. One of the best discussions on race I’ve seen in a long time. All three guests were great — Melissa had a tiny bit of her chicken littling going on, but I couldn’t be mad at her tonight. The woman from the Griot was excellent, and brought out the fact of Morehouse not being Cain’s first choice (which could lead off into another whole discussion). But the star, of course, was Rev. Al. He hit every point and wrapped it up in an intellectually air-tight package. Indeed, as the Reverend said, Cain opened the door by calling black people “brainwashed” for sticking with the Democratic party, so his beliefs and motivation are fair game.

    There is really something wrong with black conservatives like Herman Cain — there’s a kind of willful ignorance, a blindness, a denial of reality. They take advantage of all the benefits that were hard fought for by blacks and whites in this country in long, difficult, bloody battles, and then they discard the sacrifice that was necessary for them coming to pass by praising some fake, disembodied, ethereal American fairy. He reminds me of the self-hating Clarence Thomas who advanced to to affirmative action, then, amazingly, denigrated it. It’s a particular mind virus of conservatives (of all races, creeds, stripes) that have the inability to trace things to their root, and to acknowledge the truth of historical fact and human nature. They are more comfortable in fantasy, not reality.

    Cain is lost, so very lost, and on one level he knows it and that’s why he’s tap-dancing so hard.

    • October 8, 2011 at 12:53 am

      I also commend Lawrence for being open enough to put his ego aside and be willing to accept any critique that was coming his way.

      • October 8, 2011 at 2:08 am

        Yes — I was impressed with Lawrence tonight for being so open to criticism and lacking any defensiveness — I loved the way he sort of stood to he side and let the magnificent panel have at it . .

      • 110 Ladyhawke
        October 8, 2011 at 7:01 am

        That was very refreshing. I have my moments with Lawrence but I was very impressed with the way he stood back and let the conversation flow. Can you just imagine Tweety doing that?? Of course not. Tweety would be spritzing and interrupting and trying prove he understands the AA community better than his guests.

        I think Lawrence has done something wonderful (Cain Katie Couric moment). His interview began to peel back the layers of Herman Cain. It was very revealing. I guess Cain will run back to the conservative media so he can be joined at the tonsils with them. He only went on The Last Word to sell his book. I think he got more than he bargained for.

        • October 9, 2011 at 6:49 am

          Ladyhawke, I agree with you on your statements. Most week day evenings, I listen to as much MSNBC as I can stand. I don’t go near the other networks at all. With regard to the legislature, there is no one who knows more than LOD. He WORKED there for so long!

          Lawrence, Rachel and Ed Schultz have been more supportive of President Obama than most white commentators on the news talk shows. I have had moments when I thought that each of them should be strangled. For instance, I really appreciated LOD during the debt ceiling talks. LOD helped me understand why President Obama took the position of allowing Social Security and medicare on the table. LOD understands Republicans and debate. LOD often said that President Obama’s statement “NOTHING is on the table until EVERYTHING is on the table.” LOD believed that President Obama knew that the Republicans would not put any revenues on the table, so it did not matter that President Obama made statements that he was willing to put SS and Medicare on the table because the Republicans were unwilling to put revenues on the table. Not man people understood that no matter how many times that LOD repeated that statement.

          Hail to the ChiefI. Hell, He (Obama) is the Chief!!!

  28. 112 carolyn
    October 8, 2011 at 9:41 am

    If Herman Cain had ever watched LOD, he’d have known you don’t go on his show to sell a book. You go on to get questioned, and to answer for what you’ve written in the book. LOD does his homework. This is not FOX, as much as we get disgusted sometimes. Now that the Republicans are speaking up and getting press attention, MSNBC can go back to digging into their rightful adversaries…..not the president.

    • October 8, 2011 at 12:39 pm

      Cain suffers from a common conservative politician’s disease I’ve identified: one doesn’t ever question/challenge them about anything they say/do/write because they’re always right, even when they flip flop and lie outright.

  29. 114 Claire
    October 8, 2011 at 1:28 pm

    Excellent discussion. This is the type of political discourse I enjoy. Too bad this happens less than 1% of the time in the American news media. That’s why I rarely watch any national news. I primarily watch international news, it more often offers political discourse that is reflective of this particular segment.

  30. 115 Claire
    October 8, 2011 at 1:39 pm

    Another thought I had was that while I understand cain choosing to sit on the sidelines during the civil rights movement, but I would prefer a leader who was willing to do the opposite. I think that’s what makes some leaders great…they are not afraid to be a ‘first.’ Leaders are willing to take on a system and fight for social justice. Leaders fight injustice, they don’t wait for someone else to lead the way. Those are qualities I think every POTUS needs.

  31. October 8, 2011 at 6:35 pm

    I watched this too. I like that LOD extended the segment. I also liked that LOD kept it real. Unlike Piers Morgan who said “all his AA friends…” which was a total lie! LOD said that he had comments from folks on both sides. I appreciate that both sides of this issue were brought out in the interview. MHP clearly talked about how she felt about the interview. Al and Goldie saw it from another viewpoint. I thought it was a very good, thought-provoking discussion.

  32. 117 Firefly
    October 12, 2011 at 12:53 pm

    I watched too & that discussion could’ve gone on for a while…..


Comments are currently closed.

@POTUS

@BarackObama

@WhiteHouse

@FLOTUS

@MichelleObama

@PeteSouza

Enter your email address to receive notifications of new posts by email.

@TheObamaDiary

@NerdyWonka

RSS Obama White House.gov

  • An error has occurred; the feed is probably down. Try again later.

RSS WH Tumblr

  • An error has occurred; the feed is probably down. Try again later.

RSS Steve Benen

  • 'We're considering all options now,' says American Federation of Teachers President on possible mandate
  • Foreign Relations committee passes measure to repeal AUMF
  • Arkansas governor receives backlash from residents after pushing for vaccinations
  • Trump has raked in $102M since leaving office, according to report
  • We have to keep our restaurants open; we can't go back to lockdowns, says senator

Categories

Archives

Blog Stats

  • 43,064,531 hits
October 2011
M T W T F S S
 12
3456789
10111213141516
17181920212223
24252627282930
31  

%d bloggers like this: