23
Sep
11

lies, lies, lies…..

Glenn Kessler (Washington Post): Another lengthy presidential debate, and more bogus claims and counterclaims to check…..

Rick Perry: “I got lobbied on this issue. I got lobbied by a 31-year-old young lady who had stage-four cervical cancer. I spent a lot of time with her. She came by my office. She talked to me about this program…..”

Perry is being misleading when he discusses his controversial vaccine order. He makes it sound like he was lobbied by a cancer patient, not his former chief of staff working for a drug company, and that’s why he made his decision.

But he has the story backwards. He met Heather Burcham, a 31-year-old woman who died from cervical cancer after contracting HPV, after he signed the mandate ordering vaccinations for children.

Perry: “When we had the opportunity to sell India the upgraded F- 16s, we chose not to do that.”

Perry gets this story backwards. He may have been focused on the F-16 because it is built by Lockheed Martin in Fort Worth, Texas, but India made the decision to not buy F-16s and instead go with another military jet. It was not the U.S. choice. The Obama administration actually lobbied hard for the sale, and the aerospace firm had assured India that its F-16s would be “much more advanced” than the fighters provided to Pakistan.

Romney: “The president went about this all wrong. He went around the world and apologized for America….”.

Regarding the supposed apology, we have repeatedly called this out as a Four-Pinocchio falsehood. A careful review of all of Obama’s overseas statements found that they had been taken out of context or had been misquoted.

More here

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Bill Kristol: The Weekly Standard’s official reaction to last night’s Republican presidential debate: Yikes.

Reading the reactions of thoughtful commentators after the stage emptied, talking with conservative policy types and GOP political operatives later last evening and this morning, we know we’re not alone. Most won’t express publicly just how horrified – or at least how demoralized – they are……

The e-mails flooding into our inbox during the evening were less guarded. Early on, we received this missive from a bright young conservative: “I’m watching my first GOP debate…and WE SOUND LIKE CRAZY PEOPLE!!!!” ….

…. no front-runner in a presidential field has ever, we imagine, had as weak a showing as Rick Perry. It was close to a disqualifying two hours for him. And Mitt Romney remains, when all is said and done, a technocratic management consultant whose one term as governor produced Romneycare….

…. we do ask (again!), with a month left before filing deadlines: Is that all there is?

More here – but be warned, it’s right wing territory 😉


31 Responses to “lies, lies, lies…..”


  1. September 23, 2011 at 7:20 pm

    It looks like Romney uses the same brand of orange tan that Boeher uses.

    • 2 Mel
      September 23, 2011 at 7:38 pm

      The GOP are The gift that keeps given to PBO I see Perry has to have notes to debate if he is the nomenne
      That’s a bif IF PBO will mop the floor with him no problem I am extremely confidnt with PBO I will never panic.
      He just had a FLAWLESS speech at the U.N if any body noticed no sound bites for the FUCKING MSM he was great,
      and he took it to Boehner and MaCanell yesterday so pass the bill right now. I E mailed Boiehner Today to
      remaind him.

  2. 3 proudmemberofglobalzero
    September 23, 2011 at 7:21 pm

    I am phone banking tomorrow…we cannot let these people into the White House. Just listened to Mitch Daniels on Rev. Sharptons show. When you do not have corporations pay taxes….guess who holds the bag? Homeowners. That is what is wrong with Perry in Texas, just ask the people that live there. I used to be one. Taxes are so high there because corporations do not pay taxes.

  3. September 23, 2011 at 7:25 pm

    Although it may seem discouraging or down right frustrating that the Republicans are telling such “whoppers” – I see it as a gift.

    This is giving the Obama organization so many opportunities to push back on the lies. I am very impressed with how quickly and thoroughly many of these lies are stomped on.

    It is also giving the Obama campaign a huge amount of source material for running a campaign against the GOP nominee. It’s just astounding the things they are saying. These lies will come back to haunt them in the general election.

    Finally – I am so delighted the Republicans are starting to pick on each other instead of just focusing their attacks on PBO.

  4. September 23, 2011 at 7:25 pm

    Another encouraging use of health care data.

    AdverseEvents, a California-based startup, created an app with a centralized database of how many side effects are happening from what drugs and what the patient outcomes are.

    Adverse Events: Why big Pharma is scared of this startup
    http://www.whatisworking.com/2011/09/adverse-events-why-big-pharma-is-scared.html

  5. September 23, 2011 at 7:27 pm

    are these two asses for real?

  6. 9 chiara
    September 23, 2011 at 7:33 pm

    I am laughing out loud that Kristol and other conservatives are still looking for their last minute “savior”. Hysterical.

  7. September 23, 2011 at 7:46 pm

    I can’t wait for PBO, to take the stage and stand at the podium and take apart the lies one-by-one.

    Hey Mitt for over a year you’ve been running around portraying yourself as the Right’s defender of Social Security, why don’t you tell the public how you plan to also privatize Social Security.

  8. 16 Bobfr
    September 23, 2011 at 7:46 pm

    DOJ: Rick Perry’s Texas Redistricting Plan Purposefully Discriminated Against Minorities

    The Justice Department said late Friday that based on their preliminary investigation, a congressional redistricting map signed into law by Republican presidential candidate Rick Perry appears to have been “adopted, at least in part, for the purpose of diminishing the ability of citizens of the United States, on account of race, color, or membership in a language minority group, to elect their preferred candidates of choice to Congress.”

    DOJ’s Civil Rights Division is specifically contesting the changes made to Texas Districts 23 and 27, which they say would not provide Hispanic citizens with the ability to elect candidates of their choice.

    http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/09/doj_rick_perrys_texas_redistricting_plan_purposefully_discriminated_against_minorities.php?ref=fpblg

    That’s intent … not just effect.

    Yes.WE.Can. … DO.More.Together!

  9. 17 Bobfr
    September 23, 2011 at 8:13 pm

    jonathanalter Jonathan Alter
    Perry is losing altitude. You could feel it today even without polls. And his vets pander is pathetic.

    to which i responded ….

    Our4thEstate Bobfr
    @jonathanalter that thud you just heard was #PERRYFAIL face plant. #GOPFAIL did the full crazy during that #FoxNEWSTAINER show. LOL

    Happy Friday everyone – another great week for President Obama – the warrior for the middle class!

    Yes.WE.Can. … DO.More.Together!

  10. 21 Ladyhawke
    September 23, 2011 at 9:08 pm

    As Their State Burns Down Nearly 2/3 of Texas Republicans Deny Global Warming

    ===============================================================

    Republicans now believe what they feel in their heart more than what they see with their eyes. It is impossible to come to agreement with a segment of our society that refuses to accept facts. The Texas Republicans aren’t disputing facts. They aren’t challenging them. They are not debating them. They are refusing to acknowledge their existence.

    When anyone who is disgruntled with the Democratic Party argues that it makes no difference if the Republicans are in charge, they are actually arguing for climate change denying non-reality based leadership that would be reflective of the views of the Texas Republicans who continue to deny global warming while their state burns to the ground around them.

    It matters who is in charge.

    One party believes in science, while the other shrugs while the earth opens up and swallows puppies and calls it God’s will. Are we going to let the 20%-30% of science deniers in this country rule over the rest of us?

    If you still don’t think it matters, remember that if they win, you too will have to live in the world that science deniers create, whether you agree with them or not.

    ==============================================================

    http://www.politicususa.com/en/texas-global-warming

  11. 22 isonprize
    September 23, 2011 at 9:13 pm

    The e-mails flooding into our inbox during the evening were less guarded. Early on, we received this missive from a bright young conservative: “I’m watching my first GOP debate…and WE SOUND LIKE CRAZY PEOPLE!!!!” ….

    Well, s/he wasn’t so bright because s/he missed one basic fact: THEY ARE CRAZY PEOPLE!!

  12. 23 Ladyhawke
    September 23, 2011 at 9:19 pm

    Will the Republicans Vote No on Employment for Our Returning Warriors?

    http://www.politicususa.com/en/republicans-no-employment-returning-warriors

  13. 25 Ladyhawke
    September 23, 2011 at 9:25 pm

    Obama’s strategic genius: Boehner caught between Barack and a hard place

    ==========================================================

    Basically, by taking the important stuff off the table, President Obama has ended the Republican leverage, rescued their hostage, and as I said back in August, left John Boehner holding the teabag. Again, I told you so! John Boehner was stupid enough (or maybe liar enough) to claim that the debt limit deal was a “98%” victory for him, which the Professional Left went on to parrot without any hint of question or irony. But the truth is that the president masterfully put a strategy together to expose the GOP and make the Republican leadership choke on their own petard. And it’s working.

    You do not win strategic battles by getting into a screaming match with your opponent. Nor do you win it by any of the various favored red-meat tactics. You win a strategic battle by deliberate planning and methodical execution.

    ==========================================================

    http://www.thepeoplesview.net/2011/09/obamas-straetgic-genius-boehner-caught.html

  14. 26 utaustinliberal
    September 23, 2011 at 10:29 pm

    The GOP is the gift that just keeps on giving. Keep peddling more lies morons. Just makes it easier for demcorats, President Obama and people with common sense to crush you in 2012.

  15. September 24, 2011 at 12:32 am

    Oops, I see Perry’s turkey neck. And both of them die their hair. See our President is so authentic and true to himself, he doesn’t try to hide his beautiful silver waves. Love President Obama.

    • 29 vitaminlover
      September 24, 2011 at 12:40 am

      Yes, whereas President Obama has a cool self confidence and naturalness about him whether dressed up or dressed casually. These guys are insecure.

  16. 30 Left-Indie
    September 24, 2011 at 6:53 am

    “We sound like crazy people.” They ARE crazy people. One reason I rather see Perry is the performance last night. I can see how we can counter this clown very clearly, not so much ol’ Mit. And for some reason, I’m nervous about jolly-boy from Jersey getting in. He has a way of sounding reasonable, authentic, tell it like it is tough guy. There is a lot of noise for him to get in.

  17. September 25, 2011 at 5:34 pm

    I love the Weekly Standard article-the grass is always greener to these guys. If any of the mentioned non-candidates Ryan, Christie, Jeb Bush were to run, they’d fall into the same trap the current Republican contenders are in. They have to appeal to the Tea Party crazies in order to win the primary and then move away from the far right in the actual Presidential election. Then they’d lose their far right appeal – they are between a rock and a hard place against PBO. I don’t think Chris Christie is willing to sacrifice his career to run in 2012. He’s waiting for a more advantageous time – 2016.


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