Chris Cillizza (Washington Post): In a remarkable act of political gauntlet-throwing, President Obama castigated House Speaker John Boehner for his approach to reducing the country’s deficit, called on Members of Congress to do what’s “right” when it comes to debt reduction and issued a veto threat if a bill that does not meet his standards comes to his desk.

“This is not class warfare, it’s math,” Obama said in response to early Republican critiques of his proposal. At another point he said that GOP members should be “called out” for signing a pledge not to raise taxes ever.

But Obama saved his choicest words for Boehner. Obama said the Speaker had “walked away from a balanced package” during the debt-ceiling negotiations and added that Boehner’s approach to debt reduction was “not smart…it’s not right”.

…. What that means, wethinks, is that Obama has given over the idea of being the compromiser-in-chief – the prevailing sentiment of the first eight months of 2011 – in favor of taking the fight to Republicans and forcing them to respond in kind or feel the political consequences.

…. The 2012 election may still be 14 months away but the central debate on which it will pivot began in earnest this morning.

Full article here


Greg Sargent: This has to be the clearest sign yet that Obama has taken a very sharp populist turn as he seeks to frame the contrast between the parties heading into 2012. During his remarks this morning, Obama directly responded to Republicans accusing him of “class warfare,” but rather than simply deny the charge, he made the critical point that the act of protecting tax cuts for the rich is itself class warfare, in effect positioning himself as the defender of the middle class against GOP class warriors on behalf of the wealthy.


Don (in the comments in the thread below): Just in case anyone forgot, tomorrow is September 20, 2011, the day DADT is officially over. Is this guy for real or what, he changes the arch of justice and then just goes on about his business quietly. President Obama “gave “Boehner 98% of everything he wanted, which turned out to be ocean front property in Oklahoma. And now Boehner is in a race against time, come November Boehner has to either accept what President Obama gives him or accept what the Super-Committee gives him, which President Obama has already said he will veto if revenues are not included. And this, Professional Lefters, is how it is done.

*drops microphone, turns around and walks away*


Steve Benen: ….. The president has operated under a set of assumptions – GOP leaders are reasonable people, willing to compromise in good faith, acting with the nation’s best interests at heart – that have always seemed rather fanciful.

With the introduction of the American Jobs Act and today’s debt-reduction plan, President Obama and his team appear to have thrown out the old playbook …. It’s about time. The White House suffered some major setbacks, but officials have apparently decided to send congressional Republicans a new message: no more Mr. Nice President.

…. The new playbook is predicated on more realistic expectations: Republicans are going to say no to everything anyway …. What are the major concessions Obama has included in his economic plan? There aren’t any; that’s the point….

….. It took a while, but President Obama seems to have decided to break out of the box Republicans have spent years trying to weld shut. Between the American Jobs Act and today’s debt-reduction plan, the White House appears more invested in presenting what should pass, and less concerned about what might pass.

It’s the difference between following and leading.


Andrew Sullivan: Every single poll shows that the American public overwhelmingly supports higher taxes on the wealthy as part of a package to cut the deficit. The margins are staggering: the NYT poll shows a majority of 74 – 21; even Rasmussen shows a majority of 56 – 34. What the president proposed this morning is simply where the American people are at. If he keeps at it, if he turns his administration into a permanent campaign for structural fiscal reform, I don’t see how he loses the argument.

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84 Responses to “reaction”

  1. 1 nintendowii10
    September 19, 2011 at 12:27 pm

    This was President Obama using the bully pulpit once again.

    Now will the crybaby caucus please quit bitching?

    • September 19, 2011 at 12:30 pm

      THIS! (Sadly, they won’t though!)

    • 3 Nefer
      September 19, 2011 at 12:44 pm

      “Now will the crybaby caucus please quit bitching?”

      No, they will not. I just saw C&L. Without exception, each comment whined that it was just campaign speechifying, or empty rhetoric, or he finally figured out he needs his “base”, or it’ll never pass anyway, or when will he cave, or wah-wah-wah.

      Not one, I repeat, not one, comment to the effect that we’d all better pitch in and make sure the republicans know that this is what Americans really want. Not one. The president better accomplish everything all by himself without any help or support, and if he doesn’t then wah wah wah, he’s no good and it’s all his fault.


      • 4 Debz
        September 19, 2011 at 12:55 pm

        The PL is always demanding that PBO use “the bully pulpit” and when he does, they bitch about “just words” “campaigning” blah, blah, blah. they have no idea what the “bully pulpit” means. They have been seeing it big time since the jobs speech, but don’t have a clue.

        • 5 nintendowii10
          September 19, 2011 at 1:01 pm

          Or even worse, they say “this is the President Obama I’ve been waiting for,” even though he’s been the same Obama both as a candidate and President.

          And this brings up another point, how they bitch about how Candidate Obama would be disappointed with President Obama, as if they are two separate people. Uhhhh hello, he was on a campaign with a list of things he planned to ask from Congress, and heck, that campaign was all speeches, yet they complain about how all he does as President IS campaign and give speeches… they truly have no clue.

          • 6 Debz
            September 19, 2011 at 1:18 pm

            They are irritating with acting as if he is two different people. I have concluded that what they have wanted all along is for POTUS to be constantly campaigning instead of governing. The other day Jon Stewart was pushing this sill meme about how boring “governing Obama” is, but it was that boring person who passed health care and killed Bin Laden. They PL is unbelievably stupid about the difference between campaigning and governing. They would prefer a never ending campaign instead of actually accomplishing anything.

            • 7 Puddin"
              September 19, 2011 at 2:26 pm

              You are right Debz, I had to explain to one of my best friends, that there is a big difference between campaigning and governing. DUH!
              she had finally stopped watching msm and has come to the “light”.

        • September 19, 2011 at 2:20 pm

          but don’t have a clue Umm In my humble opinion, I think that the Repubs DO have a clue, It’s just that their main goal Is to see to It, that PBO Is a one termer, per Mcconnell/ their words. You see, they just don’t care about the working class or middle class, and und below, they care about two things really. And they are to make PBO a one termer, and to NOT Increase taxes for the rich. Oh yes, they got the clue, they just don’t care 😦

    • 9 nathkatun7
      September 19, 2011 at 10:02 pm

      “Now will the crybaby caucus please quit bitching?” Nintendo, I doubt that they will. They are so invested in in “bitching” about everything this President does. And, by the way, the same is true of many in the MSM!

  2. 10 PoliticalJunkessa
    September 19, 2011 at 12:29 pm

    *breaks out pom-poms*

    Barack Obama — he’s our man! If he can’t do it, nobody can! Siss Boom Bah!

    Goooooooo O!

    :mrgreen: 😛 :mrgreen: 😛

  3. 12 hopefruit2
    September 19, 2011 at 12:30 pm

    You know, when these columnists use phrases like “compromiser in Chief” to describe the President, they out themselves as nothing but a bunch of professional whiners, do-nothing, attention-seeking, shallow-minded propandists.

  4. 14 PoliticalJunkessa
    September 19, 2011 at 12:31 pm

    “It’s not smart. It’s not right.”

    Hear that Boner???? You’re DUMB and WRONG!

  5. 17 zizi
    September 19, 2011 at 12:37 pm

    Ouch take that Tapper Jay Carney at WhiteHouse Press conf. just accuse Ron Suskind of plagiarizing from wikipedia in his book attacking PBO

    • 18 nintendowii10
      September 19, 2011 at 12:38 pm

      A Republican steals ideas… quelle shocker! 😯

    • September 19, 2011 at 12:45 pm

      Jay rocks so hard. Loved the way he really put that look on Tapper’s face. Priceless.

    • 20 hopefruit2
      September 19, 2011 at 12:46 pm

      That’s what Fake Tapper does – scan Libertarian “lefty” blogs like DKOS and pull anti-Obama material from them to regurgitate at his next WH Press briefing. LAZY, incompetent, unscrupulous “journalist.”

      • September 19, 2011 at 12:58 pm

        So far, I am noticing on twitter, crickets from the usual suspects , tapper, todd, knoller, benpolitico, etc. They were blindsided this a.m. So they have to go and regroup and we will begin to see them carrying loads of GoP water.

        Tapper had no organized talking point today and so his next move as the GOP and their water carriers are apt to do, distract, muddy the waters, distract some more. But this time, they will have a hard time peddling their talking points.

        • 22 Debz
          September 19, 2011 at 1:02 pm

          They were blindsided. Now they are waiting for their order from the GOP!

          • 23 Ladyhawke
            September 19, 2011 at 1:26 pm

            Exactly, you could tell from the inane questions that the jackals were flummoxed by the speech. It was so brilliant and thorough there was nothing to criticize or pick apart. It just made sense. I loved the fact that OMB Director Jack Lew and Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner were there to answer questions. They were great.

            The jackals hate it when President Obama has the upper hand and makes the Republican Party look like amateurs. PBO poked holes into the “class warfare” meme and rendered it totally useless. And calling out the pledges was pitch perfect. I expect the jackals will be getting updates on their blackberries from the GOP before long. But at this point, I don’t think the Republican Party knows what hit them.

          • September 19, 2011 at 7:28 pm

            They are waiting for their orders from Rush. As soon as Rush is able to come up with a “coherent” buzz word, they will be repeating it. I can just see Chuck Todd “reporting” on unnamed “sources” who thinks PBO’s policies will ( fill in the blank ) America. This is why he gets paid the big bucks . As soon as PBO is re-elected, I am definitely going to get rid of my cable service. What passes for news on all channels except public television is atrocious.

        • 25 hopefruit2
          September 19, 2011 at 1:13 pm

          Exactly – this is NOT going to be HCR redux. No way, no how. The message is simple and clear. Either you’re for the working Americans or for the insanely rich corporations.

    • 26 Debz
      September 19, 2011 at 12:57 pm

      Good for Jay!!! As I said on the other thread, with the economy stagnant all these media personalities are concerned with is gossip from some book.

      • September 19, 2011 at 1:28 pm

        The National Enquirer or the Globe should offer Tapper a job. He is not a true journalist. He loves gossip. Can’t stand him. He gets worse everyday.

  6. September 19, 2011 at 12:38 pm

    I hope people finally wake up and see who is really on the side of the American people as a whole.

  7. September 19, 2011 at 12:41 pm

    This was a thing of beauty. He gave them almost three years – way too long IMO, but this guy has the patience of Job – and now he just had enough with these assholes. That was so good to see. He looked almost happy. 🙂

    • 30 nathkatun7
      September 19, 2011 at 10:12 pm

      So wonderful to see you, BWD! I hope you will be back soon to lend a hand to the incredible Chipsticks. I really miss your blog.

  8. 31 Fred
    September 19, 2011 at 12:45 pm

    drop the hammer on their collective asses Mr President and I mean the Judas Left and the Teahadists

  9. September 19, 2011 at 12:45 pm

    Hey Guys, I need a small help: Anyone knows how I can get in touch with Jim Messina? Mail? Phone number?


  10. September 19, 2011 at 12:45 pm

    Well, clearly he is the Caver-in-Chief again. Now he’s being all extra-liberal and populist and stuff. Sheesh!

  11. September 19, 2011 at 12:55 pm

    Very interesting article on Grover Norquist, who “For more than 2 decades has wielded mystical power over the GOP, cultivating and enforcing a rigid anti-tax platform” —95% of Repubs in Congress have signed his Taxpayer Protection Pledge, including 6 on the “super committee”. Norquist working on behalf of corporate donors, promises a vigorous primary campaign against anyone who violates pledge, calls them “rat heads in the Coke bottle”. Tells about his weekly Wed. mtgs. where the latest Obama attack ad is revealed, asking the crowd to spread it on Facebook and twitter. One of his hobbies is collecting airplane barf bags. Creepy, anti-U.S. and disturbing, this Norquist character:

  12. 46 Bill R.
    September 19, 2011 at 12:56 pm

    PBO just kicked ass and took names! The GOP are in a corner of their own making. There can no longer be any doubt they are waging class warefare on the middle class.

  13. 48 nintendowii10
    September 19, 2011 at 12:57 pm

    Now this is something I don’t understand: if President Obama is the caver in chief, right wing Republican DLC Wallstreet puppet and all, then why do the crybaby caucus/emoprogs/professional left continue to ask for his help to bail them out?

    Even the crybaby caucus/emoprogs/professional left know how powerful and inspiring a figure President Obama is, which is why his name continues to come out of their mouths. They know there is not a single politician out there on the left who even comes close to competing with Barack Obama’s intellect and public speaking ability.

    In a way, I’m glad they continue to bitch, it’ll just be easier for President Obama to say he has the middle ground and that Washington DC has become too radical for him to get anything meaningful accomplished. Most Americans don’t like the back and forth that is Washington DC politics, that’s what the crybaby caucus/emoprogs/professional left refuse to accept.

  14. 49 HZ
    September 19, 2011 at 1:01 pm

    Mr. Bohner needs to make sure to check in with POB the next time he makes one of his speeches because POB is listening to you for sure, Mr. Boehner. Only POB can call out any Speaker like he did this morning. You Go With Your Strong and Fine Self, Mr. President. We Are With You All The Way, Mr. President.HZ

  15. 51 Desraye
    September 19, 2011 at 1:03 pm

    You have to ignore Chris Cillizza. He is part of the PL.

  16. September 19, 2011 at 1:14 pm

    More on that PA poll:

    The survey finds Barack Obama comfortably leading potential Republican challengers Mitt Romney by 10 points (50% to 40%) and Rick Perry by 15 points (52% to 37%). The President has solid support among voters that overwhelmingly backed him in 2008, including women, voters aged 18 to 34, and self-described moderate voters. It is clear from this survey that those key voting subgroups are still very much with him. Despite this good news for Barack Obama, the mood of these voters is pessimistic, with 62% of women, 64% of self-described moderates, and 54% of voters 18 to 34 feeling things in the country are on the wrong track. It remains to be seen if the eventual Republican nominee can appeal to these voters after the primary.


    • 55 hopefruit2
      September 19, 2011 at 1:18 pm


      “It remains to be seen if the eventual Republican nominee can appeal to these voters after the primary.”

      NOT if they don’t endorse the American Jobs Act and the Fair Tax Act – and from their responses so far, it appears that they will be against it.

    • September 19, 2011 at 2:06 pm

      I certainly hope they can connect the dots that lead from being “On the Wrong Track” all the way back to Republicans taking over the House in January.

      • 57 theo67
        September 19, 2011 at 5:53 pm

        This is exactly it. Who would think the country was on the right track when Republicans are preventing not only economic recovery, but also investment to make the country more competitive for the future? Who would call total GOP obstruction the “right track”. These analysts need to properly interpret the polls as people feeling the country is on the “wrong track” because the GOP have driven it onto the wrong track. Delve a little deeper and realize that if the country doesn’t get back on the right track, then the rest of the Presidency of this entirely awesome man will have been squandered, while the rest of the world listens to him and moves forward with infrastructure spending, new partnerships with Asia, aspirational educational goals in math and science, and government support for innovation. It’s a lot harder to catch up than it is to maintain a lead.

  17. September 19, 2011 at 1:19 pm

    SUPPORT FOR TAX HIKE INCREASES with updated chart from Bruce Bartlett following PBO new budget plan


  18. September 19, 2011 at 1:24 pm

    If any of you saw that absolutely chilling 60 Minutes interview with Dakota Meyer last night, send him some love:


  19. 60 nintendowii10
    September 19, 2011 at 1:43 pm

    Just remembered, today is Talk Like A Pirate Day



  20. 61 Keith in C-bus, Ohio
    September 19, 2011 at 1:53 pm

    Excellent speech by the President. I see we have tapped into the usual negative responses or crickets (until the enemy regroups) reporting of the naysayers right after another major Obama initiative. I choose to focus on taking the deficit reduction and jobs message to the American People. We can not change the unchangable. The PL, PUMAS, Teathugs, and TeaPartiest have their own agenda. Time to let them go folks. Yes, we must keep abreast as to what they are doing and their underhanded tactics and bring them to light, but our main purpous should be AWAKENING the DEAD in our electorate and getting them the true Obama message. I have given up on complaining and whinning about what the MSM and their courterparts are or aren’t doing. They will never be on our side SO LETS MOVE ON!!

    The President has given us all kinds of amunition to win this next election. Either we are on the TRAIN with him or we get left behind. It would behove any Democratic legislators or candidates to jump aboard the O-train or they will be left in the dust. PBO is ready to TAKE OFF!!! KEEP HOPE ALIVE!! YES WE CAN!!! YES WE DID!! YES WE WILL AGAIN!! 😀 Obama/Biden 2012!!

    Oh and to Obamabots that are obsessed with those who HATE PBO and wish to see him fail……….The Serenity Prayer reigns supreme: GOD GRANT ME THE SERENITY TO ACCEPT THE THINGS I CAN NOT CHANGE, THE COURAGE TO CHANGE THE THINGS I CAN, AND THE WISDOM TO KNOW THE DIFFERENCE. This prayer has served me graciously in life. 😉

  21. 62 ChristiMtl
    September 19, 2011 at 2:10 pm

    So from what I can see the new RW talking point is ”class warfare”..

    That’s all they need really, they repeat their Frank Luntz’s talking points ad nauseum and the corrupt media runs with it.
    They are never challenged on anything, never held accountable for their lies,.

    Millionaires and billionaires became…job creators
    During the health care debate the talking point was….government take over of health care.
    Investment of any kind, for schools, infrastructure, etc became….out of control spending.
    Any proposal or bill to improve the economy became…..job killing bill or proposal
    Large corporations became….small businesses
    Their lobbyists and special interests became….the American people
    The tax rate during the Clinton became….higher taxes mean fewer jobs.

    And now the new talking point du jour that we’re going to hear over and over and over again, class warfare.

    It’s so predictable.

    • 63 Debz
      September 19, 2011 at 2:27 pm

      They have been using all the same talking points, including “class warfare” for decades, since Nixon, and somehow voters still fall for it. Hopefully everyone will start to wake up now, since so many people are unemployed, and the gop isn’t even trying to hide their hatred for the middle class anymore.

    • September 19, 2011 at 3:14 pm

      It’s not new..it’s very very stale. They’re just revving it up its latest round ’cause that’s their defense..empty vapid whining points that don’t mean a damn thing.

      Here’s this millionaire Rep, John Flemming whining that he can’t afford a tax increase on $400, 000.00 a year..

      “Fleming could only respond by saying that “class warfare has never created a job” and that his success is a “virtue.” But he noticeably never answered Jansing’s question about whether he would actually be forced to lay off workers if his taxes went up”.


  22. September 19, 2011 at 2:12 pm

    But but but, the republicans want to cut our participation at the UN from 32 million(yes million) dollars, to the average dues for members- 17k dollars!
    To help with the nations debt???
    Yeah- that otta help! Not!

    • September 19, 2011 at 2:36 pm

      That’s American Exceptionalism right there. “No fair! Why should we pay higher dues than South Sudan!” (I don’t know if they are actually a member or not, but you get the idea.)

  23. September 19, 2011 at 2:31 pm

    These reactions from the Left–even the almost level-headed Left–get my goat! He’s “finally” learned (from Benen) and a “populist approach” (from Sargent) makes you wonder if these folks EVER listen to the President–an incredible master of consistency. “Oh, I guess he was too naive to hear us telling him how batshsit crazy they were. If only he’d listened to us sooner and hadn’t disappointed us ‘retards’ then we wouldn’t have sat out 2010 and be in this mess today. We sure showed him, though. Phooey on 11nth dimensional chess! Well, he may be acceding to our demands, but perhaps too late for us to even vote for him come 2012. Oh, Uncle Tom has been sooo slow to learn–but they can’t help it, can they?” The sarcastic, impractical intelligensia of the Left build straw men out of their willful ignorance or laziness, then knock them down with ostensible constructive criticism.

    From my limited observation the President plays it straight but cautious; he is wise as a serpent and harmless as a dove. Bin Laden got to hear the true meaning of that phrase. Boehner, you listenin’?

  24. 68 hopefruit2
    September 19, 2011 at 2:39 pm

    Uh-oh..that’s what constant Obama-bashing gets you. Karma…Karma..

    /// “Turns out Keith Olbermann’s fans may not be willing to follow him to the ends of the earth. Or in this case Current TV. The Daily News reports that Olbermann’s show has lost nearly half its viewers since its June Debut.” ///

    Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/keith-olbermann-current-ratings-2011-9#ixzz1YQP3wc7Z

  25. 72 Frenchie08
    September 19, 2011 at 2:41 pm

    Hello TOD Family! Please forgive me. I am a new poster and I do not use profanity very often, so I apologize in advance for what I am about to say. I do not give a DAMN what the PL think, say, or do any longer! I am not wasting another grain of energy scratching my head trying to figure them out or giving a good rat’s ASS about them! It is clear they have an agenda and it has NOTHING to do with mine. Thank you for letting me get that out of my system! Now to better language and more positive thoughts. WE are making a HUGE difference out there! WE are the journalists we have been waiting for. People are beginning to REALLY listen and pay attention! I was on one of the blogs that we do not speak of here and the message is getting through and is shifting to more anti-GOP.

    One thing I have been doing more of instead of writing my own comments or arguing with just plain silliness on these blogs, I have been giving high fives to comments that are very pro-Obama, pro AJA, and pro middle class in general. I don’t just mean comments like I agree. I mean I compliment them on their way of expressing themselves, analogies they use, their depth of research. Sometimes I just do like Fred and just say This! or Thank you! I only do it if I think it is a great comment. I want to make sure it is sincere. But what I have noticed is that the more I do it, the number of positive comments tend to increase. I really had fun doing that yesterday and it seemed to catch on and others started to do more of it also.

    One more thing. A group of us from Kansas City went down to Joplin Missouri this Saturday to offer assistance with the hurricane clean up. There is still much to be done even now. It was raining cats and dogs so we could do very little outside, but we helped with some much needed inventory sorting and data entry. We wore our Obama T shirts and it was so unifying for us. but the response we received was even better!!! Two us stopped into a restaurant om our way back (one of a few still standing in this area) and people came up to us to thank us for coming down. One lady shared one of her favorite treats with us! I KNOW we made a lasting impression as well as a difference. It was one of the most gratifying events I have participated in since I joined this campaign! Some of us plan to return in a few weeks (hopefully the weather will be better) and take some products back that they are running low in.

    I loved the President’s speech and I am soooo looking forward to 4more in 44!

  26. 76 Fred
    September 19, 2011 at 2:41 pm

    President Obama Will Welcome South Korea’s President Lee For State Visit, State Dinner 😀
    Lee will be honored on October 13th…


  27. 78 Betty's Girl
    September 19, 2011 at 2:44 pm

    The CBC should really be ashamed of themselves. I just called our Rep William Clay Jr and it was very disappointing. I called the DC office first. The clerk said he was not sure how Rep Clay felt but he has always supported the President and sure he would do so this time. When I asked what would he do in the community to help educate people and get them involved it was “I am not sure”. I was then transferred to the local office where I pretty much got the same response. I was placed on hold this time and spoke to another clerk who said she hasn’t heard anything at the moment but something should come out soon. Why is the man getting almost $200,000.00 of tax money a year if he can’t have a definite position by this time? It has been almost two weeks. I can’t concern myself too much with the Tea Party Repubs because these bums are the ones that need some fire under their buts. It’s time!

  28. 79 Fred
    September 19, 2011 at 2:55 pm

    Focus on the Family announces more layoffs (I know I shouldn’t celebrate when folks lose their jobs but I sure as hell don’t feel bad for this bunch )

    • 80 MTmarilyn
      September 19, 2011 at 4:01 pm

      Fred I so agree with you about FOF. My brother help start it and was VP for along time. Then he left. I use to like James Dobson. And now I can’t stand him and won’t support them at all. So I am glad these people are losing their jobs. Maybe now they can return to reality. I sound bitter and I am toward the whole company. They have hurt alot of people. That’s my rant.

  29. 83 roh108
    September 19, 2011 at 4:34 pm

    Obama is wearing his boxing gloves and there’s nothing or NOONE who is going to stand in his way or bring him down. This is the Man I voted for. Obama 2012!!!!!! I LOVE YOU!!!!

  30. September 19, 2011 at 7:22 pm

    PBO hit a home run with that speech! Obama 2012 – he’s got his best game on/

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