nader & west ….. wow

November, 2008:

Dragonflyeye: Just watch the f**king video. Ralph sez: we love them neegras, unless they step out of line. Then, they’s all Uncle Toms. Nicole Bell said it best on Crooks and Liars: “You know you’re going bad when a Fox News anchor looks more racially tolerant than the former Green Party candidate.”

SFGate: As if Ralph Nader wasn’t a big enough tool already, he went on Fox News on election night – the very night Barack Obama broke the racial barrier on the presidency – and uttered the words “Uncle Tom”.

… It’s a stunning bit of television …. Give Shep Smith a lot of credit here. “Really? Ralph Nader – what was that?” And then he just fried Nader….


June 2008:

Howard Kurtz (Washington Post): … Nader is quite media savvy. He knows he’s getting little attention, he knows why, and he knows how to remedy that: by throwing a stink bomb. One with a pungency that the MSM would find impossible to ignore.

He did just that yesterday, in an interview with the Rocky Mountain News:

“Independent presidential candidate Ralph Nader accused Sen. Barack Obama, the presumed Democratic Party nominee, of downplaying poverty issues, trying to ‘talk white’ and appealing to ‘white guilt’ during his run for the White House.

…. “There’s only one thing different about Barack Obama when it comes to being a Democratic presidential candidate. He’s half African-American. Whether that will make any difference, I don’t know. I haven’t heard him have a strong crackdown on economic exploitation in the ghettos …. What’s keeping him from doing that? Is it because he wants to talk white? He doesn’t want to appear like Jesse Jackson?….”.

What can you say about that? If there’s ever been an African-American candidate who went out of his way not to frame his message in racial terms, not to appeal to white guilt, it’s Barack.

Obama spokesman Robert Gibbs told MSNBC the comments were “reprehensible and basically delusional,” but I wonder whether he should have just ignored them.

…. At Hot Air, Ed Morrissey is, well, disgusted: “Maybe Barack Obama was onto something when he warned about race-based attacks in the upcoming general election. However, the first such attack hasn’t come from Obama’s right, but from his left ….

‘Talk white’? Do people still think this way? Apparently Nader does, and the arrogance here is simply stunning. On what basis does Ralph Nader think that he qualifies to be the arbiter of black authenticity? “

Full article here


December, 2009:

Michael Tomasky: Can there be anyone worse than Joe Lieberman? Actually, yes. From Benjy Sarlin’s interview at the Daily Beast with Ralph Nader, who naturally opposes the healthcare bill:

Is the title of your article ‘I told you so?'” he asked. “This is what I meant a year ago when I said the next year will determine whether Barack Obama will be an Uncle Tom groveling before the demands of the corporations that are running our country or he’ll be an Uncle Sam standing up for the American people.”

Nice. Personally, I’m long past the point of saying the perfunctory liberal thing about Nader, you know, “I have great respect for his accomplishments, but in this case…” He’s just become a preening megalomaniac. In fact he’s quite like Lieberman.

Amptoons: … You know, words really fail me. I don’t really know what possesses an old white guy to use the words “Uncle Tom,” you know, ever, but I really don’t get why a soi disant progressive would use those words to describe the first African American to serve as president. Quite frankly, it’s disgusting, and it stands as exhibit 3,492 in my ongoing argument that Ralph Nader is one of the worst humans alive today.

…. given his record since 2000, if Ralph Nader says the sky is blue, I’m going to assume it’s pink until further examination. After all, he once declared there wasn’t a dime’s worth of difference between Al Gore and George W. Bush, and … well, let’s just say that didn’t exactly work out for the United States, humanity as a whole, or the universe in general.



Washington Post: Liberal activists and academics displeased with the Obama administration’s handling of several issues popular with progressives say they are seeking candidates willing to mount a primary challenge against President Obama next year.

The group, led by consumer advocate Ralph Nader and scholar Cornel West, said it faults Obama for the escalation of military campaigns in Afghanistan and Pakistan, for extending tax cuts first enacted by George W. Bush and for his actions during the recent debt ceiling negotiations.

Full article here

108 Responses to “nader & west ….. wow”

  1. 1 jacquelineoboomer
    September 17, 2011 at 9:40 pm

    I haven’t read the article yet – I will – but I’m already disgusted.

    • 2 EDP4BHO
      September 17, 2011 at 9:56 pm

      This too shall pass, jacqueline. Two rag-tag old moldy men, trying to stay relevant and get on TV. My, the ego is one of man’s greatest challenges to overcome. Irony is that West has called himself a Christian minister of sorts in the past, but his actions show no such sign. He supported Senator Obama who always said he would take the fight against Al Queda into Pakistan during the campaign. So that line about escalating war there is bullshit. This asshole is so against God in that he portrays the very things God despises—–hatred, jealousy, lying, conceited, inventing ways of doing evil (primarying PBO) . And Nader is a bitter, skanky old goat who can’t win a pie-eating contest, so he slithers out of his snaky skin every few years to stir the shit pot. They are absolutely sad, sad men.

      • 3 utaustinliberal
        September 17, 2011 at 11:29 pm

        Well said EDP4BHO.

      • 4 jacquelineoboomer
        September 17, 2011 at 11:42 pm

        EDP4BHO – Well, that said it all! I both cringed and laughed hysterically at your descriptions of ’em, which were TOTALLY on point.

        Before I read your wise “This too shall pass,” I tweeted Al Gore and asked him to stand up. It would be nice if he’d come out of hiding for a day, and then return to his low-profile (more or less) ways, which I’m sure are better for his emotional health. I mean, fighting the climate change naysayers has all of a sudden become “easier” than fighting the President Obama bashers, low these four long years of it.

      • 6 Cha
        September 18, 2011 at 12:40 am

        It’s all bullshit, EDP4BHO. I had no idea ol Ralph was such a knuckle dragging racist but I do now.

      • 7 Puddin"
        September 18, 2011 at 1:51 pm

        “Two rag-tag old moldy men…”, I like that!

    • September 17, 2011 at 9:57 pm

      This paragraph is all you need to know: “The group said Saturday it is seeking six “recognizable, articulate” candidates who would not mount serious challenges to Obama, but “rigorously debate his policy stands” on issues related to labor, poverty, foreign policy, civil rights and consumer protections.”

      Its a forum. Its another forum that Tavis Smiley is always putting on. Bring on like minded people to talk politics or in this case 6 liberal political celebrities who will sit around and “debate” Obama’s policies. Since West and Nader aren’t Democrats the end goal here is to probably bring attention to a new far left party or to have the same influence that the Tea Party has on Democrats. Nah gonna happen.

      • September 17, 2011 at 10:19 pm

        I actually smile at the fact they feel they need ‘six “recognizable, articulate” people to debate PBO’s policies – tacit admission that they don’t measure up singly? 😉 I remember when my President took on the entire republican field at their retreat a year or two ago and more than held his own. Poor befuddled, soon to be irrelevant souls!

      • 18 EDP4BHO
        September 17, 2011 at 10:22 pm

        Agree. Another money scam for chopped meat faced Tavis.

      • 20 N
        September 17, 2011 at 10:54 pm

        If they want to rigorously debate Obama’s policy stands, then, can we rigorously debate Nader’s racism and West’s ego?

      • September 18, 2011 at 12:37 am

        All I want to know is who’s funding this debate?

        1. Will they be covering their own travel expenses?
        2. Who’s paying for the venue where the debate will take place.
        3. Will they be covering their own overnight accommodations?
        4. Will each participant be paid?

        I think it’s time people start demanding financial statements from the likes of Smiley and West. Since they’re accusing this president of being corporate owned, it’s past time for them to show us just how they’re able to travel the country preaching the gospel according to Amos and Andy.

        • 23 ribletsonthepan
          September 18, 2011 at 2:19 am

          5. Will Cornell & Ralph sleep in bunk beds? And who gets 1st dibs on the lower bunk?
          6. Will Ralph keep the lights on? And will the top bunk hold safety bars?
          7. Will Ralph splurge on Tom’s of Maine Natural Toothpaste? And will he share?
          8. Will Cornell repel any product offering named “Tom”? And could he conceivably accept without selling out?

          And these are the kind of decisions that would keep me up at night….

  2. September 17, 2011 at 9:41 pm

    This is so bizarre. Do these people not understand the concept of a primary? To Primary Obama, you must first be a Democrat and run in the Caucuses and Primaries as a DEMOCRAT. I went to a quarterly meeting for the Dems today and I’m here to tell you the last thing on their mind is voting for someone trying to primary the President. We are all laser focused on the Republicans and trying to keep from being taken back to the frickin’ 19th Century. These people have no clue what the Democrats want.

    • 27 Desraye
      September 17, 2011 at 10:14 pm

      Thank you for that observation.

    • September 17, 2011 at 10:25 pm

      Thanks, Tien. It will just be just another distraction. We just have to keep our eyes on the ball.

    • 29 nathkatun7
      September 17, 2011 at 10:36 pm


      Nader and West are irrelevant! This is their last hurrah to get media attention. They’ve realized that the MSM loves any one who bashes the President and so they figured that this threat of primarying the President would put them back in the limelight, which it obviously has. Nader and West can have all the attention from the MSM. But like you, I doubt that any serious Democrats will pay them any attention. Besides, Nader is not a Democrat so who cares what he thinks. The last time some people paid attention to him we ended up with the election of George W. Bush. I personally hold him partly responsible for all the mess we are in. As for the Dr. Professor, who spends all his time coveting media attention instead of spending time teaching students, many of us, and especially those of us in the AA community, see through his jealousy games.

      • 30 Puddin"
        September 17, 2011 at 11:22 pm

        I want to know who is paying west (because he is small) and how much he is being paid?

        • 31 jacquelineoboomer
          September 17, 2011 at 11:49 pm

          Or he’s being paid by seeing himself in print or on the teevee machine. Or in a pool of water like Narcissus. Self-aggrandizing wonder that he is.

    • September 18, 2011 at 1:55 pm

      Great observation. Also in order to compete in all 50 states the person would have to get on the ballots. Prices which could range from $15.000-$45,000 or more per each state (50 states) depending on their laws. Not only the primary ballots but the generals to. So these people need at least $200,000 before they get started. They would need staff, offices in 50 states etc.. I would not be surprised if someone like the Koch Brothers finance them just to try and divide the Democratic Party.

      These two fools are just trying to get attention. They are irrelevant and they know it. They also know that by bashing President Obama they can get on TV and spew their crap. The MSM eat up anyone willing to bash POTUS.
      When will MSM get a clue that these people bashing POTUS are NOT his supporters, never was. Unless they just don’t care. For the sake of news copy.

  3. 33 criquet
    September 17, 2011 at 9:43 pm

    If Democrats fall for this, they deserve President Romney/Perry whoever Republican (really interchangeable). The problem is the rest who are not so gullible and quite frankly stupid.
    It will also have repercussions all around the world.
    In my view, this won’t gain traction but it would be good for them to be portrayed as the loony two they are.
    Get on it DNC.

    • 34 jacquelineoboomer
      September 17, 2011 at 9:47 pm

      Maybe Al Gore will come out of private life, stand up for the rest of us, and “suggest” that Nader take a hike. And West, too.

  4. September 17, 2011 at 9:47 pm

    Eff ’em both.. Nader showed his true colors during the 2007 primaries, he’s a racist slimeball.. and Cornel West hasn’t had so much attention EVER in his Life til he went on the road with his attacks on POTUS. I will never forget these people and the trash they pull.

    • 36 ribletsonthepan
      September 18, 2011 at 3:20 am

      Cornell’s a regular bon vivant, serving the council of Zion in the Matrix Revolutions, joining an all-star ensemble of 2009 film The Private Lives of Pippa Lee, producing and performing with hip hop band Cornel West Theory, adding 2 more albums of solo performance spoken word hip hop fusion to the mix, lending his voice to a John Mellencamp boxset, appearances in documentaries on jazz, blues, Bill Withers and last but not least his ubiquitous pundit appearances of Real Time with Bill Maher.

  5. 37 lochelle
    September 17, 2011 at 9:47 pm

    It is these kind of actions that makes the far left increasingly irrelevant. They know darn well there is NO ONE in the Democratic party who can throw a credible challenge against PBO. Once again, it reinforces why there have been only two Democratic Presidents in the last 30+ years – Dems need to know when to tow the line and stop the infighting. You cannot bring about any real change if you fighting from the sidelines all the time – you have to be in the game and then strategize how to win. Apparently, this is is hard to do for the haters. Despite this nonsense, I do believe the majority of the Democratic Party will stand behind PBO come November 2012 but it will be a very painful journey getting there.

  6. September 17, 2011 at 9:48 pm

    No, Tien le, they have no idea. They haven’t the organization or the money to create a primary challenge, nor the support for that matter. They are looking for air time and massaging their egos. Ralph Nader is an old and irrelevant man, who should have left the scene years ago. He can’t stand being ignored so he has to try making pathetic bleats to convince himself he’s not totally worthless. Good luck with that, Ralph.

    • 39 Betty's Girl
      September 17, 2011 at 9:58 pm

      Crazy Cornell! The man is on someone’s payroll. I am sure they are being financed by a Conservative group. It over for Cornie. I hope he enjoys this ride.

      • 40 hopefruit2
        September 17, 2011 at 10:01 pm

        Yes, because if he fails to do their bidding – which is to get rid of this President, they will not hesitate to drop him like a hot potato!

        • September 17, 2011 at 10:31 pm

          He needs to ask Armstrong Williams. Remember AA guy used to be all over TV playing inteference for George Bush, then it was discovered he took money I think to come out and talk all that stuff.

          Soon as that came to light, it was poof for him. He became persona non grata to producers on every channel. He is lost in the shuffle now.

          Also, one thing to pay attention to:

          Every professional relationship Tavis Smiley have had, ended up unceremoniously, starting with his college, where he didn’t graduate, BET, Tom Joyner Show. He is always right, when ties are severed (in his mind). Will be interesting to see how long he and Corny’s relationship lasts.

          • 42 jacquelineoboomer
            September 17, 2011 at 11:52 pm

            Your last bit of wisdom was very interesting; I hadn’t put the pieces together. Or pulled the pieces apart – the way Smiley’s “professional” life has gone.

      • 43 anniebella
        September 17, 2011 at 10:25 pm

        Maybe Corny West, the Uncle Tom has been bought and paid for by his masters, the Koch Brothers.

  7. September 17, 2011 at 9:49 pm

    A little perspective here: Just saw a tweet that said With 5000 followers, Nader couldn’t get elected President of Twitter.

  8. 48 hopefruit2
    September 17, 2011 at 9:53 pm

    Two desperadoes, West and Nader; Both menaces to society.

  9. September 17, 2011 at 10:00 pm

    And who can forget this when he asserts that PBO “talks white.” I wonder what does his partner in crime talk.


    • September 17, 2011 at 10:05 pm

      WTF? This shows the depth of Nader’s racism, and his failure to step outside of that bubble in his head that tells him that none of us understand or use Standard English in speaking and writing.

  10. September 17, 2011 at 10:01 pm

    West is playing with fire by aligning himself with Nader after what Nader said about BO in this video, but I guess West’s hatred of PBO is so strong that he’d sell his soul to the devil to damage PBO’s chance at being re=elected. No one I know would vote for Nader. No one. They are all dedicated to seeing PBO re-elected in 2012. West has lost his frigging mind.

    • 54 EDP4BHO
      September 17, 2011 at 10:07 pm

      He joins Travesty (Tavis) in siding with racists against a black President. Note Travesty’s recent stint on Hannity. They are going nowhere fast. I’m still wondering the outcome of their “poverty ‘bust’ tour”.

      • September 17, 2011 at 10:14 pm

        On a poverty tour and not registering one poor person to vote in his or her own interest tells me the outcome is “Travesty” and “Corny” looking to make themselves relevant.

        Like you said, they are going nowhere fast. Tavis has worn out his welcome in the AA community, he seeks audience elsewhere to keep his moulah rolling. Here is the thing, he had AA loyalty. These people use him for as long as he bashes PBO. That’s their only aim.

        What I still want to know is this. I want someone to point to ONE single tangible thing either Tavis or Cornel’s done to empower, move, provide, uplift, help people in the communities they profess to care about.

        • 56 Betty's Girl
          September 17, 2011 at 10:32 pm

          Absolutely nothing! The have only gotten rich off the community pretty much like Rev Jackson.

        • 57 nathkatun7
          September 17, 2011 at 10:50 pm

          Absolutely NADA! On the other hand, they’ve gotten rich selling books, seminars, etc., pretending to care for the AA community.

          • 58 jacquelineoboomer
            September 17, 2011 at 11:55 pm

            With their corporate backers … er … corporate friends, since I’m sure they agree with Romney on that point.

        • 59 Puddin"
          September 18, 2011 at 1:55 pm

          The have done absolutely NOTHING! Talking loud but saying NOTHING! I think I dislike these to characters more than I dislike the teabaggers!

    • 60 hopefruit2
      September 17, 2011 at 10:14 pm

      Let him play with fire – and when his sorry arse gets SCORCHED, I will be right there laughing.

    • 61 ChristiMtl
      September 17, 2011 at 11:03 pm

      I remember when he was on MSNBC arguing with Rev. Al. He looked like a freaking lunatic. I’ve never seen anything like it, His face was all deformed by the hatred he has for President Obama.

      The hell with him, he needs therapy big time,.

    • September 18, 2011 at 7:11 pm

      Wow, I never thought I would see the day: three (used to be) prominent ,well respected libs, each with a bad case of Obama derangement syndrome. Yes indeed, West and Smiley are playing with fire, and both will soon be persona non grata in the AA community if they continue on this path. Yes, I’m still ticked off at Ralph about the 2000 election.

  11. September 17, 2011 at 10:05 pm

    My mom warned me about entitled, racist “liberals.” They give lip service to the idea of equality and progress…..until someone of color shines or excels. They’d rather keep it an abstract idea they can pontificate on rather than see it in real life. They love the shucking and jiving negro, but hate the intellectually superior one.

    I could say more, but I think I’ll leave it there before I go all. the. way. off.

    • 64 EDP4BHO
      September 17, 2011 at 10:09 pm

      Right there with you. We know 😀

    • September 17, 2011 at 11:23 pm

      Oh my goodness, my mom said the same thing! She went all.the.way.off, Junkessa, I don’t think I’ve ever seen her so emotional. She added such an interesting observation of how they’ve been begging endlessly for someone of color to rise to power rightfully with grace, dignity, intelligence and vigor. But the second they do, all of a sudden it’s taken away their entire platform for “justice”. It’s as though they don’t even want empowerment. To have it makes them irrelevant so what to they do? Change the goalposts.

      • September 18, 2011 at 12:38 am

        Mmmmmhmmmm — changing the goalposts indeed!

      • September 18, 2011 at 10:50 am

        ‘To have [empowerment of another minority leader*] makes them irrelevant’ – There you go, IMO!

        Travesty and Westwinds are no longer the ‘go to’ source, the ones who can ‘explain’ the minority experience to the power brokers, the ones who are ‘superior’, the ones who ‘speak for’ the group. (Matters not if all these roles were mostly in their own minds.) After years of pumped up self-congratulation and pomposity, not to mention increased income, to have their hypocrisy revealed by a ‘newcomer’ who does not show proper allegiance, has OBVIOUSLY been quite difficult for them to swallow. Nadir, as has been said, just needs a ‘wittle’ attention. If they all weren’t so vindictive in their desperation one could almost feel sorry for them. In truth, they are so, so irrelevant to the big picture now that they ought to be grateful that at least we spare a little time to talk about them. Fairly soon no-one will have time to notice their little hissy-fits, as we’ll be caught up in the real issue of determining America’s future. Go away little boys! Go play in the sandbox! Adults are trying to get life altering stuff done here. Shoo! Shoo! [There, I won’t take any more notice of them from here on out! In the future instead of watching their garbage I’ll go try to encourage someone on Twitter.]

        * and such a superb one too 😆

    • 69 jacquelineoboomer
      September 17, 2011 at 11:57 pm

      Unfortunately, PJ, you’re also describing Bill Clinton in South Carolina during the ’08 campaign. Never listened to another word he said after that.

      • September 18, 2011 at 12:39 am

        And it’s funny that Tavis loves him some Bill Clinton…figures! 😡

      • 71 criquet
        September 18, 2011 at 8:42 am

        You had the same reaction the magnificent Ted Kennedy had when Bill Clinton made that remark about PBO how before he would have been getting them coffee. I think that is one of the main reasons Teddy came out so strongly for then Sen BO.

        You are in good company Jboomer.

      • 72 Puddin"
        September 18, 2011 at 1:59 pm

        jacquelineoboomer, that’s when I lost respect for FORMER PRESIDENT Bill Clinton. I have never seen a former president behave in the way he has. He needs to take his “old moldy” self down!

    • 73 cuphalffull
      September 18, 2011 at 8:08 am

      I think its about a power-over mentality. It can be manifest in many ways but what it boils down to is not being able to be mutual with other people. With this mentality life is one long struggle for dominance nothing more. The President has a mutual mindset and is fully capable of empowering his fellows while he is empowered himself. I am convinced that this man represents the future of leadership. Being able to build a real team of people where everyone can use their talents and develop their dreams is what being a real leader is. OFA is just one manifestation of that ability. I am not missing out on this opportunity. I just feel sadness for those whose insecurities prevent them from participating in what this President and his administration are modeling.

      • September 18, 2011 at 11:08 am

        ‘The President …… is fully capable of empowering his fellows while he is empowered himself.’

        Yesssss! THIS is one of the things that attracts me to him. He seems to genuinely have no need to take all the credit. Look at the Libya scenario and the way the allies were empowered to step in meaningfully (for the first time?). Look at how he hires knowledgeable people and let them do their jobs while admitting ‘the buck stops here’. In other words he stands with them; they are not on their own. Have you noticed that he also empowers his opponents, if they’d only stop blustering long enough to see it? I am so impressed each time that they fall over in their attempts to stomp him into the ground and he rolls aside, then stretches out a hand to help them back up [if they will take it]. Lord knows I hope you are right that President Obama ‘represents the future of leadership’. The President’s peers don’t seem to be in receptive mode, so maybe his modelling is primarily for the rest of us? 😉

    • 75 Mae who love our CIC
      September 18, 2011 at 12:31 pm

      PJ they are just hos; uses the plight of others for their monetary gain and to try to bolster their egos.

  12. September 17, 2011 at 10:09 pm

    By the way, I’ve seen the descriptor “consumer advocate” next to Ralph Nader’s name for at least 8 years. What has he accomplished in the way of consumer advocacy???? Anybody know? Consumers don’t seem to be doing so well — where’s Ralph?!?

  13. 80 JoJothecat
    September 17, 2011 at 10:10 pm

    Nader: ” he (candidate Obama, newly elected president) has already turned his back on blacks, latinos, and poor whites”…..the man just got elected! These PL’s and so called left leaning libertarians are so pathic.

  14. 81 Jenny
    September 17, 2011 at 10:24 pm


    Ralph who?

  15. September 17, 2011 at 10:32 pm

    I wish someone on this site had investigation skills, then we could find who is paying these people. Maybe someone at media matters. Someone has to be paying these people.
    Did you guys know that Suskind has a book coming out about the Obama tell all with information from Anita Dunn? Alleging that President Obama is weak, indecisive and that his aids have also been telling all. What is with these people to try and weaken obama before an election year.

  16. 87 LOL
    September 17, 2011 at 10:47 pm

    Honestly I could two shits about this perpetual loooooser. Everything he ever competed in he lost—so who gives a fuck what he has to say Oh yeah Cornell can go fly a kite in traffic. I went to a a Historical Black College as an undergrad and do you know this asswipe charged us thousands of dollars so he could tell us about black culture- moron.. ON A MORE CHEERFUL NOTE…here is what MOH recipient Dakota Meyer had to say about his chat with the pres http://www.kentucky.com/2011/09/17/1886377/medal-of-honor-recipient-talked.html

    • 88 bonkers
      September 17, 2011 at 11:19 pm

      Thanks for that link! Dakota Meyer is very impressive in a lot of ways.

    • September 18, 2011 at 12:32 am

      I really enjoyed that. More power to Dakota; I wish him much happiness and success. Thanks for sharing the article.

    • September 18, 2011 at 1:16 am

      Thank you for that link, LOL! I passed it on to DFP..it’s very interesting how this Medal of Honor kid from Kentucky has respect and gets along so well with our President. I’m thinking the m$m will want to squash this..it won’t do to show President Obama the respect he has earned.

    • 92 JojoRaze
      September 18, 2011 at 1:20 am

      Thank you LOL for that link! Dakota Meyer sounds like a sweet guy. I love that it was his idea to have a beer with the president. I love that he asked such a personal question; What would you do with your life if you were 23 years old and in my shoes right now? It’s so odd that this young man is only 23, only a few years younger than I am, and he’s been through the horrors of war and obtained the Medal of Honor. It’s a simple but really deep question and I liked PBO’s answer. Get an education! Even if you don’t know what you are going to do, going to school can help you figure it out.

  17. 93 bonkers
    September 17, 2011 at 11:44 pm

    This story is yet another example proving to me how I used to wrong about a certain topic. I used to make the arguments that it was important to try and keep as many people on Left together as possible to make Liberal reform more possible, so I thought it was important to engage and find compromise with people like Nader or Kucinich or Cornel West and so on, since on many issues, we’re on the same side.

    Well, people like Al Giordano got me to see how wrong that thought process is in regard to these types of personalities, and how it’s actually better for us in the long run to make it clear “they’re not with us.” They actually destroy or at least diminish any movement they ever get in involved in with their holier-than-thou, know-it-all-at-all-times, never compromise attitudes. Simply, they refuse to work together as a team and actually get stuff done. What’s funny too, is that whenever I get chance to speak with this kind of person, I find I’m actually much more Liberal than they are on most issues, yet I enjoy making progress toward my goals. The debate is usually about how to accomplish things, not so much the issues themselves.

    Their actions have eventually proven to me, and this post above couldn’t make it any more clear, that Giordano is completely correct, and we don’t want them attached to what we’re working on in any way whatsoever. So when this kind of thing happens, and it’s only going to get worse from these selfish clowns, feel good about it. It’s helping what we and President Barack Hussein Obama are trying to get accomplished to not be associated with them. We don’t want them on our team. Feel good that they are distancing themselves from us.

    • September 17, 2011 at 11:58 pm

      Well said. and I’m glad someone put me on to Al Giordano a while ago. He makes so much sense and confirmed everything I was thinking. Its interesting that I don’t see his name more often in the liberal blogosphere. It was someone’s comment that provided a link to Al’s site.

    • 95 N
      September 18, 2011 at 12:10 am

      I’d always rather have more people on our team but there’s not really much anyone can do about people like Nader or West. We all just need to stay focused! Let’s all commit to contacting our legislators in support of POTUS’s plans, and registering voters and getting out the vote in the next year.

    • 96 jacquelineoboomer
      September 18, 2011 at 12:21 am

      Just checked to see what Al Giordano is up to these days: http://narcosphere.narconews.com/thefield

  18. September 18, 2011 at 12:10 am

    You know you’ve lost your soul when you team up with Ralph Nader to primary the president.

  19. 99 Gc
    September 18, 2011 at 12:16 am

    We know Ralph out here (Ct). He ‘s bat shit loopy.

  20. 100 Jennifer
    September 18, 2011 at 12:32 am

    Wow is right (pun sort of intended). I followed the election like a pig on poop and never saw this (or heard of it). Maybe we can add Ron Paul to the grumpy old farts as well. I have several younger friends that think the dude can do no wrong. I’ve tried to reason with them to no avail. Like when the MSNBC poll about who “won” the first debate. Of course, PBO did, but RP ran away with the poll. I finally said, fine, write the old coot in and split the vote.

    My best friend of close to 50 years (grammar school thing) voted for Nader one time and I was stunned. Not in 2008, of course, but way before that. Thank the stars she saw the error of his ways. Un-f’ing-believable, the whole lot of them.

    BTW, did you see the 20% off sale? http://www.mydemocraticstore.com/2DaySale Shipping might be high, haven’t checked. In the ER most of last night, so not quite with it – came out worse than when I went in. So excuse my brain fog. 😉

    I had no idea West was this insane. Thanks for enlightening me. I’ve learned SO much on here and I’m beyond grateful to you all ((((hugs)))).

  21. 101 theo67
    September 18, 2011 at 1:10 am

    I hope someone asks these six “debaters” how they would go about getting Congress to vote for any alternative policies that they feel would have been better than those put forward by President Obama. It’s not a case of insufficient policies being put forward by the Administration. There have been plenty of excellent policies put forward. It’s purely a case of the GOP agenda to ensure that President Obama not succeed in his mission to move this country forward – that is the only issue.

  22. 102 Bobfr
    September 18, 2011 at 1:14 am

    A couple of losers with their tin cups in hand … let’s bury these dudes once and for all.

    BTW, Chipsticks, I’m Our4thEstate on Twitter 🙂

    The following is my first tweet:

    Because of President Obama 6 Israelis were saved from certain death in Cairo. Thank you President Obama. #OFA#Obama@TheObamaDiary

    Yes.We.Can. … DO.More.Together!

  23. September 18, 2011 at 3:03 am

    You know what when I watched that young man who was sitting across from his CIC on that patio at the WH, that is what gave me hope for my wonderful young people. Now, that young man gave life his all when called to the task. What the hell is West , Tavis and Nader doing with just one day of their lives? Just think. Tavis, West, and Nader can go straight to hell and shut their loud, ugly, hatful mouths the hell up. I will not allow my mind to even go where these vile,, and ugly empty suits are tryng to take us. Hello not and NOT this time, Tavis, Nder and Cornel. Go to hell and don’t expect us to come and even give you all a cold glass of water. Their hatred does not deserve our time. Let this pass in their onw cesspools of hate. POB is a better person than these fools will ever be. Leave us the hell alone, Tavis, West, and Nader. HZ

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