‘the crybaby chorus’

Robert Shrum: It’s natural for the GOP to dismiss the facts in favor of misreading the entrails of a temporary congressional gain (in New York) which will be reversed in 2012. But it’s stupid, a sign of panic, and a pathetic and depressing picture to see Democrats joining in….

…. among the disaffected are elements of the labor movement …. Good luck to any union that sits out or sloughs off in 2012; if they end up with Romney or Perry, it could mark the end of organized labor in America.

…. too many members of his own party in Congress who pushed the president for a jobs bill, paid for by taxes on the wealthy, are now validating Will Rogers’s observation that they “don’t belong to any organized party. They’re Democrats”. Some of them are beginning to pick the bill apart, pursuing parochial interests …. Sen. Sherrod Brown warns that Democrats have to “compromise to get this bill up and running”; everybody can’t have all they want. He’s right, and so is Nancy Pelosi that Democrats can recapture the House – if they hold their nerve and stand with the president…..

Finally comes my friend James Carville to argue in a pyrotechnic CNN piece that yes, the White House should “panic” …. As Bill Clinton’s campaign chief in 1992, Carville didn’t panic – he certainly didn’t fire himself – in the early summer of that year, when Clinton was in last place, at 22 percent, in a three-way race with Ross Perot and the first George Bush.

…. Carville is on target about one thing: Obama has to “make a case like a Democrat”. But that’s what this president is doing now…..

…. the GOP is doing its best to block recovery as a conscious strategy to reclaim the White House: kill jobs to get the job. But there is grave risk for Republicans in this transparent cynicism; the president has the voice, and we’ve learned before that he has the strength of will to set the choice and win the big battle. Indeed, that’s what makes the comparison with Carter absurd; from health reform to financial reform to the salvation of the auto industry and the prevention of depression, Obama has a historic record of achievement.

…. Obama is a fourth quarter player. And the fourth quarter has come. It’s time for the crybaby chorus to leave the critic’s row and get in the game. The president will do his part. And then his victory in the 2012 election will be remembered long after his phony defeat in a peculiar special election fades into a footnote.

The panic isn’t justified — and Democrats can’t afford it. Grow up. As Carville might say, there’s too much at stake, stupid.

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64 Responses to “‘the crybaby chorus’”

  1. September 16, 2011 at 12:21 pm

    YES!! James Carville of all people. I see him coming, I run in the opposite direction.

    This piece so needed to be written!!

    • September 16, 2011 at 12:22 pm

      You remember him during the oil spill? He acts like a social conservative!

      • September 16, 2011 at 12:38 pm

        Yes; Carville’s screed: “OBAMA BETTA GET DOWN HEE-YA!” UGGH, can’t stand this man.

        • 4 Bill
          September 16, 2011 at 1:36 pm

          Ametia, excellent job of capturing the Ragin’ Cajun’s accent in print.

        • 5 TrumpDog
          September 16, 2011 at 3:09 pm

          I will NEVER forget or forgive Carville for that NEVER.
          Whenever I see a DCCC email from him, I delete it. I don’t even read it. I’m not even sure why the DCCC has Carville on board. As far as I’m concerned, he’s not at all helpful. And then with his latest bullshit panic article. He’s such a phony. I can’t stand him.

          • September 16, 2011 at 3:24 pm

            LOL I delete his emails too. In fact, the only Dem I donate to is POTUS. Until the other Dems get on board and DO THEIR EFFING JOBS, they get NOTHING, NADA, ZILCH, ZERO $$ from me.

            • 7 nathkatun7
              September 16, 2011 at 6:48 pm

              I am with you Ametia! Right now I will only donate to POTUS. The President has provided leadership on jobs, yet many so called Democrats are busy knit-picking his plan without coming up with a credible alternative of their own. Really pathetic!

            • 8 Claire
              September 16, 2011 at 7:03 pm

              Same here.

          • 9 theo67
            September 17, 2011 at 2:30 am

            I get offended every time I see an email from him screeching about something or other. He and I are NOT on the same team.

      • September 16, 2011 at 2:03 pm

        Jovie, I sure remember. Telling the president he had to move his offices there. He is a swine. We know what his problem is. PBO beat HRC. He obviously has never gotten over it. Jackass, black widow spider, brown spider, rattlesnake, and gnat all rolled into one nasty man.

    • September 16, 2011 at 12:32 pm

      @ africa. Indeed! See down thread. Carville is NO.EFFING GOOD. THE.END.

  2. September 16, 2011 at 12:21 pm

    Maybe they have corraled their members, I have not seen them on tv all day, yet!
    Man, I just laid into a republican staffer, they all have their talking points! It is frustrating, i asked him if he was a robot! Lol!

    • September 16, 2011 at 4:45 pm

      I have sent leader Pelosi quite a few tweets letting her know that we’re sick of seeing dems on TV trashing everything PBO does/says while doing NOTHING to put pressure on the republicans. I also sent a tweet to Sen. Landrieu letting her know that we know she’s speaking against PBO’s jobs plan because she is protecting the very rich and the energy companies. I just talked to a nice young man from OFA. He was calling from the Chicago office soliciting donations to push the president’s jobs plan. I had already contributed my usual monthly amount, but I decided to give more. I mentioned to him that we would like to see some nationwide effort to push PBO’s jobs plan. I also informed him of Gohmert’s bill and mentioned that Boehner and Cantor are already lying about the bill. He seemed surprised that Gohmert has stooped to the level of deception he has stooped to. Nothing the republicans do suerprises me anymore. I asked if he would make my concerns known and he said he would.

      • 15 Sue in Minnesota
        September 16, 2011 at 7:10 pm

        I wrote Landreiu. Honestly in what universe does the oil industry need tax breaks. They have the highest profits in the recorded history of business. Mary Landreiu serves plenty of people that could benefit from oil companies picking up their fair share of the American tax tab.
        She might as well be a dip stick because she is dripping oil, from her collusion with big oil. I do not care for her, and I hate that she is only marginally a Democrat, which, like Ben Nelson gives her enormous sway when negotiations/votes are so close.

  3. 16 EDP4BHO
    September 16, 2011 at 12:23 pm

    For those who haven’t viewed VP Biden’s Campaign to Cut Waste cabinet meeting, there’s good stuff going on. This is what’s known as transparency.

  4. September 16, 2011 at 12:25 pm

    Now, house democrats leaked to tge press that bill Daley is no damn good!
    Sure does throw them off message!
    I am loathing some house democrats!

    • 18 Desraye
      September 16, 2011 at 1:22 pm

      Bill Daley being no good to them really mean he doesn’t talk to us.

      • 19 TrumpDog
        September 16, 2011 at 3:13 pm

        Well doom and gloom Fineman was on TV yesterday talking about how the Congressional Democrats don’t have a good relationship with this White House.
        Gee, I wonder if it has anything to do with how they fucking sit back, let Obama take all the blame and don’t do ANYthing to counter the negative messages people on the right and left throw at him.

        • September 16, 2011 at 3:14 pm

          All I can say about that piece of dirt is “Eat me” Well, not really.

        • September 16, 2011 at 4:54 pm

          And they wonder why I haven’t given them a cent since they failed to end tax cuts for the rich and failed to raise the debt limit without drama last year. Surely, these geniuses will figure it out pretty soon. I give to OFA and individual members of Congress like Leader Pelosi and some others, but I no longer give to the DNC/DCCC. We know who’s doing the heavy lifting and it’s NOT them. These tools stand around with their long knives at the ready to plunge into PBO’s back, and think we don’t know it? PLEASE. If they want my money, they’d better have PBO’s back and keep their behinds from in front of cameras trashing him. It’s doesn’t take a genius to know that their fate is tied to his fate.

          • 24 utaustinliberal
            September 16, 2011 at 6:39 pm

            Exactly. Many voters who vote democratic and donate to the DNC/DCCC/DSCC are getting frustrated with many democratic congressmembers strategy of stabbing President Obama in the back. They keep cutting of their noses to spite their faces and if they want to win 2012, they need to cease and decist.

            • 25 nathkatun7
              September 16, 2011 at 6:55 pm

              Exactly! I have written my Congresswoman, Susan Davis about supporting the American Jobs Bill. She replied by sending me a generic letter about how she ha been working hard for Job creation. Senator Feinstein hasn’t even bothered to respond. Why can’t these Democrats act like Barbara Boxer who is standing firmly in support of the President?

        • 26 anniebella
          September 16, 2011 at 5:39 pm

          TrumpDog, I don’t give a dam what Howard Fineman has to say. Excuse my english, but Fineman is a sorry good for nothing S,O.B. And if it is true what he said he’s still a sorry S.O.B. Excuse my english. Maybe the House Dems can have a better relationship with Boehner and Cantor.

  5. September 16, 2011 at 12:30 pm

    You mean “Skeletor” James Carville:’s rant to panic?

    • 28 utaustinliberal
      September 16, 2011 at 6:41 pm

      Skeletor is such an appropriate name. Some days I can’t tell the difference between he and his wife’s political leanings. He sounds like a GOP hack.

  6. 29 kittypat
    September 16, 2011 at 12:44 pm

    Whenever there is a leak attributed to a “Democratic strategist close to the White House” I always suspect Carville, especially if the leak is negative in nature. I wish he would sit down and shut up.

    • September 16, 2011 at 1:05 pm

      Here’s what I think may be what underlies Carville and other Bill Clinton close associates: they are trying to protect Bill Clinton’s legacy as a 2 term president.

      pamelabrown (not a “guest”)

      • September 16, 2011 at 1:09 pm

        DING, DING, DING! WE HAVE A WINNER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • September 16, 2011 at 2:06 pm

        Excellent. They do not want PBO to go down in history as a better more accomplished president. I love the way you think pamela.

      • September 16, 2011 at 2:23 pm

        Ok now his actions make sense. I just thought it was his wife rubbing off on him.

      • 34 kittypat
        September 16, 2011 at 2:34 pm

        Sounds right to me, hadn’t thought of that.

      • 35 anniebella
        September 16, 2011 at 5:44 pm

        Here’s a question for James Carville, did nhe ask Bill Clinton to panic when it came out about Lewinsky? I have lost respect for Carville when he said all that stuff about the President when the oil spill was happening. He’s ahot head who think he knows everything.

      • 36 nathkatun7
        September 16, 2011 at 6:59 pm

        You are absolutely right! I say let’s make sure their mission fails.

      • 37 Sue in Minnesota
        September 16, 2011 at 7:17 pm

        In pursuit of power people’s worst qualities seem to be exposed. I can’t get over how emotionally dysfunctional so many people appear to me. Maybe because Barack Obama provides such a stunning contrast’

        There are days when I think President Obama is two steps closer to God than the rest of us.

        • September 16, 2011 at 7:42 pm

          Oh, there you are Sis, haven’t touched base in a while. 😆 And yes, our President has been providing a stunning, very visible model of emotional stability. In so many areas he has changed politics forever IMO! I now know what integrity, purposeful decision making, keeping your word, and respecting your adversary while getting things done look like in politics. Now we have a political bar against which to measure future contenders, and to which they can aspire.

          • September 16, 2011 at 7:45 pm

            He is also my first example of a brilliant mind coupled with real compassion and good people skills. Most of the brilliant people I knew tended to be somewhat deaf to the feelings of others.

      • September 16, 2011 at 7:32 pm

        Yes! Yes! Yes! I’ve thought this for quite a while now. In fact, it first came to me in relation to Bill’s actions when he was telling Ryan to ‘call me’, and has been reinforced by other actions since. The latest example was Bill sharing that he and Boehner will be fundraising for the 9/11 memorial, which someone here pointed out could be interpreted that Boehner can work with a democratic president just not the current one. On the surface Bill may seem generally supportive of the President, but I really don’t trust him. IMO there have been too many little incidents when he seems to be subtly undermining PBO. Let’s face it, to date PBO has been an outstanding president, accomplishing in areas where Bill failed, even righting some of his ‘wrongs’. PBO getting a second term would definitely put Bill’s ‘greatness’ to rest and I don’t think he can handle that. Yet he has to be subtle in protecting his legacy because he made a misstep during the campaign and incurred somewhat of a backlash. As others have mentioned, if he had had the confidence that he had done an excellent job during his term, and the integrity that I believe the current President has he would have corralled his posse (Carville et al) once the election was over.

    • September 16, 2011 at 1:07 pm

      THIS: “But there is grave risk for Republicans in this transparent cynicism; the president has the voice, and we’ve learned before that he has the strength of will to set the choice and win the big battle. Indeed, that’s what makes the comparison with Carter absurd; from health reform to financial reform to the salvation of the auto industry and the prevention of depression, Obama has a historic record of achievement.”


    • September 16, 2011 at 2:13 pm

      He is married to a repuke who has just as big a mouth as he does.

  7. 46 kefauver
    September 16, 2011 at 12:52 pm

    I’m surprised there are Democrats in the media buying into the NY-9 loss = OMGZ!!!!! 4 PREZ!!!! But I guess controversy and sensationalism gets ratings. I’m not shocked that the emoprogs in the blogosphere are reacting that way. Anything to paint a story negatively for Obama. I wouldn’t doubt that many of the emoprogs are pimping Carville’s hysterical analysis right now as OBAMA IZ DOOMED!!!

    • September 16, 2011 at 1:50 pm

      It never fails. They’re so predictable. And no sooner they are proven wrong on one issue, they move to the other. Remember how PBO was going to gut Social Security and Medicare in the debt debate? That hair on fire moment continued into days and weeks.

      It is almost laughable because you know how they’re going to react to their own made up controversy. My way of dealing with it is to treat them as petulant children and continue doing what I am doing in my small way to help. These people have no answers, solutions, they only sow discord and chaos.

    • September 16, 2011 at 2:19 pm

      I was ready to strangle Larry OD the other night. I have decided to avoid him for a while. I watch Al everyday. I occasionally watch Chris because he is fighting the good fight for PBO. He is still talking about bridges that needs to be repaired in republican areas. Yesterday he slammed Perry for being an ignorant liar.

      Has anyone been watching Rachel?

    • 49 Sue in Minnesota
      September 16, 2011 at 7:21 pm

      You know what surprises me most, that anyone even bothers with the MSM. What a cesspool.

  8. September 16, 2011 at 1:08 pm

    OMG…I haven’t been able to post for weeks, even though it appears I’m logged in. I tried “guest”, as a last resort, and damn if it didn’t post. I’m doing a happy dance!

    • September 16, 2011 at 2:11 pm

      I would love to see you dance pamela.

      • September 16, 2011 at 2:14 pm

        LOL Me too, dorothy. I’d dance right along with pamela. 🙂

        • September 16, 2011 at 2:21 pm

          Call me silly, but I think it would be great if we all could meet up somewhere to celebrate BHO’s re-election. We could dance all night.

          • September 16, 2011 at 7:56 pm

            Not silly at tall! I haven’t forgotten that you and I have discussed this here before – months ago. Remember we talked about renting a suite (or suites) for those who won’t be able to handle the crowd and the extreme cold? The suite(s) could be the meeting points where the more intrepid of us who went into the thick of things would gather after the ceremony to rehash together, etc. etc. I just haven’t mentioned it recently because I don’t suppose we could make reservations from now, so it seems too early to start planning. I definitely will be saving towards my plane/hotel fare over the next year!

            • 55 theo67
              September 17, 2011 at 2:40 am

              I am definitely going to be at President Obama’s second inauguration – come hell or high water. I probably will watch the actual ceremony from a hotel room, but I want to be in the same city and part of the action. It would be great to meet up with everyone from TOD. I’m just watching for when booking begins for the hotels. Then, I’m on it!

  9. 56 cuphalffull
    September 16, 2011 at 5:46 pm

    I am learning a great deal about the fickleness of the political process. I am not like that however. I tend toward the steady, sticking with my team, and forging bonds of struggle and I love that about the President and the supporters that tend toward that too. I have begun to value the no drama mantra and the word “courage” has a high place on my priority list.

  10. 57 carolyn
    September 16, 2011 at 6:09 pm

    Rachel had an excellent interview with President Carter last night, and will have part 2 tonight. Very little is said, but he got more legislation accomplished than LBJ did…..funny we never hear that. He had some very good things to say, and her questions were good. I had forgotten this, but when he ran both times, the campaigns were paid for by the money we donated on our income tax forms….no big corps giving money, no lobbyists…..a much better plan. His comments on Reagan were quite interesting. He said, and Rachel agreed that he used demagoguery during the campaign, to defeat President Carter. He also commented after sitting through the inauguration of Reagan, and riding with him, that “I don’t think he listens much.” I would say President Carter was right on. If you look at Reagan’s “record” and what he did…he was a huge fraud!
    His firing of the air traffic controllers and breaking up the union, changed our sky safety still to this day. His treatment of the California school syste seriously degraded it, and he spent oney like a drunken sailor on military contractors and defense, running up a HUGE debt and deficit…..I lived in California when he was governor……He and Schwarzenegger were two of a kind.

  11. 58 carolyn
    September 16, 2011 at 6:10 pm

    spent “money”…and school system……my “m” doesn’t always connect.

  12. 59 joyce
    September 16, 2011 at 6:46 pm

    still watching rev Al right now. he is so good on the crybaby chorus calling them out by name. Thank goodness someone is, that’s in the media

  13. 60 Mary Gray
    September 16, 2011 at 7:00 pm

    Thanks. Don’t watch msm, but will check into the RMS to hear President Carter, what an incredible person who lives out his values everyday.

  14. 61 Claire
    September 16, 2011 at 7:01 pm

    Carville is a loud mouthed, self serving, has been, who is starved for attention. He has zero credibility.

  15. September 16, 2011 at 9:09 pm

    i don’t think we’ll hit the 4th quarter until we know who’s gonna be the quarterback on the opposing team.

  16. 64 stringer32
    September 17, 2011 at 2:39 am

    I have never posted here but have found this site along with other blogs a welcome relief from the insanity going on out there in the media. Obama owes the democrats in the house and the party establishment (Carville and the gossipers he is giving voice to) nothing, he won on his own terms without their input and he will do so again. Alot of congressional dems have a losers mentality, they are the last ones on the band wagon and first off it at the slightest hint of trouble. Instead of showing some spine, as they have gleefully insisted the president do, and direct their fire at their real opponents the republicans they turn and direct it at the president who is the only one standing between them and oblivion. President Obama must be aware of this losers mentality, and has decided wisely to keep his distance to some extent and chart his own path. If dems think they can win anything without the president steadily generating a national movement towards (which there already is) re-electing him then they are delusional. Their fate is tied to his, when they take shots at him they might as well take shots at themselves it is exactly the same thing. When President Obama wins again I dont want to see these weak kneed cowards acting as if they always knew he would.

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