15
Sep
11

‘the limbaugh, moore, maher convergence on obama and race’

Adam Serwer (Mother Jones): On Wednesday, I noted that Rush Limbaugh’s latest stereotypical race parody featured President Barack Obama as blaxploitation detective John Shaft, even though just about the only two things they have in common is that they’re both black.

Ta-Nehisi Coates observes that Michael Moore and Bill Maher, in expressing their disappointment with Obama, embrace the same basic idea.

Unable to limit their criticisms to Obama’s politics, on The View, Moore repeated Maher’s statement that “I went into the polls voting for the black guy, and what I got was the white guy.”

Coates writes: I know Michael Moore and Bill Maher think this is a great line…But it really isn’t. In fact, it’s racist, and Michael Moore would do well to stop repeating it. It really is no better than the Kenyan anti-colonial bit, and in fact is good deal worse ….

What Limbaugh, Moore and Maher all have in common is a common, reductive expectation of what a “black man” is supposed to be – aggressive, belligerent, intimidating – and Obama doesn’t fit the bill…..

…. If you’re president, though, it’s much easier to just brush your shoulders off—dealing with those kind of expectations when you’re an average person is considerably more difficult. Especially when the “liberals” are the ones saying stuff like this.

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Thank you ‘africa’


26 Responses to “‘the limbaugh, moore, maher convergence on obama and race’”


  1. September 15, 2011 at 2:31 pm

    Yes. Last night on Twitter I asked if his statements on The View were a preview of Stupid White Men part II. I’ve seen the usual liberal defense of Moore on this. Talk about denial.

  2. 4 Me4obama
    September 15, 2011 at 2:34 pm

    This is really sad, of all People Michael Leess to say this about My President. What a shame to even equate racism with this two guys I used to like Bill Maher and Michael Less 😦

  3. September 15, 2011 at 2:38 pm

    Am real real sick of Moore & Maher’s interpretation of what constitutes either black, male or Presidential.. they know naught. Loud mouth bigots showing their bigotry all over the nation.

  4. 6 utaustinliberal
    September 15, 2011 at 2:38 pm

    A lot of progressives think that just because they wear that label and carry that banner it gives them the right to use prejudiced coded language and when they get called out it’s all “Oh who.. me? I’m not racist or prejudiced?” Yeah….. you are when you utter ignorant bile.

    • 7 nathkatun7
      September 16, 2011 at 12:06 am

      Well said UT! And another thing, many people are ignorant of the history of the Progressive movement. President Woodrow Wilson is considered a progressive by many historians of the Progressive movement. The same Woodrow Wilson who instituted racial segregation in the Federal government. The same Woodrow Wilson who lavished praise at the overtly racist film” “The Birth of the Nation.” When it comes to the issue of racism, the Progressive movement has a very sordid history.

  5. 8 Mel
    September 15, 2011 at 2:43 pm

    My Watches The View, but I do not, however I was in the Computer watchinf my Chipstics I did not know Michael Moore
    was going to be on so I was listining, but before he came on i told my lovely wife all Michael is going to do or talk will
    be bashing PBO, I was right, Thsi guy everytime he wants to sell a fucking book he goes crazy, he disgust me and I do
    not give a SHIT if he does not vote for PBO fuck him another darling of the PL I never listen to this idiot Obama is NOT
    going to do whatever the fuck this guy or Bill maher want yes and their comments are recist it’s not Fucking funny;
    So good people here let’s tweet the fuck out this guy please i sorry I’am just pissed since yesterday after I watched
    this IDIOTA.

  6. 9 Bill
    September 15, 2011 at 2:45 pm

    I am an old southern white guy and this depresses me.

    • 10 edp4bho
      September 15, 2011 at 4:20 pm

      This depresses you because you have the good sense to judge a man by his character, not by his skin color. Moore is the kind of white person (sorry to say, too many) who judges a person like myself by the prevalent stereotypes, instead of getting to know me as the person/individual God made me. No group of people is a monolith, and only ignorant, lazy types would forgo deep thought to consider the commonality in us all as simply people.

  7. 11 Fred
    September 15, 2011 at 2:50 pm

    Goldberg actually asked Moore if he thought that the President was non confrontational because he didn’t want to appear like the “angry” black man? 😯 🙄

    • September 15, 2011 at 3:24 pm

      The pushback on that show, if you want to call it that, is always weak. Uninformed. Anyone from this blog could do better, knows more. The only real pushback came from Elizabeth who got in a fight with Moore about war and OBL.

      • 13 edp4bho
        September 15, 2011 at 4:22 pm

        You mean militant Whoopi didn’t let him have it? I don’t watch that show, so I would miss 99%. I only watched once when PBO was on.

    • 14 Desraye
      September 15, 2011 at 6:28 pm

      That was Joy not Goldberg

  8. 15 QuietObserver
    September 15, 2011 at 3:03 pm

    “Children can’t achieve unless we raise their expectations and turn off the television sets and eradicate the slander that says a black youth with a book is acting white.” – Barack Obama, 2004

    The above quote has a lot of implications from the then-senator: 1. Telling a black youth that he/she is acting white is offensive because a)they are not white and b)to say so is to suggest the person is being fake (which means the c- black kids naturally shouldn’t be reading). 2. Young people in particular should be wary of anyone telling them to limit their own expectations and goals. 3. The media is complicit in planting and maintaining these negative, “slanderous” stereotypes. And this is why so many black youth, particularly in America, continue to fall behind their counterparts in school or career choice- because someone told them a long time ago that they weren’t supposed to be bigger than the labels given to them, and they believed it.

    Moore, Maher, an others are only continuing the perverse mental and social suppression (through stereotypes) that Black people have endured within Western civilization for hundreds of years. They’re still trying to define us, because only when they think they know everything about us can they continue to feel secure. Barack Obama, his biography, and the way he operates is not a predictable stereotype, and that makes people uncomfortable. People don’t like having to review their life-long racial attitudes or other prejudices because it means finding their own fatal flaws. If white liberals think that reducing their political criticisms to “funny” racial commentary is acceptable, then their whole logic is flawed. Period.

    • 16 edp4bho
      September 15, 2011 at 4:32 pm

      ” If white liberals think that reducing their political criticisms to “funny” racial commentary is acceptable, then their whole logic is flawed. Period.”

      Not to mention the strange interaction of people of color with the likes of these “libruls”, who we were warned about as long ago as when Malcolm X was alive. I didn’t understand it then (I was only 13) but it’s as plain as day now. They have carried that banner of empathy, though all the while practicing the greatest patronization of suffering people, for too long.

      • 17 nathkatun7
        September 16, 2011 at 12:16 am

        edp4bho,

        Michael Moore is really not a liberal. Michael Moore is a so called radical progressive who despises liberals.

  9. September 15, 2011 at 3:12 pm

    The election of PBO has been an eye-opening experience. I have seen and heard things I never thought I would. I’ve lived in the U.S. since 1980, never before have I experienced the stuff I am seeing thrown at PBO from both sides.

    It leaves me wondering on many days.

    • 19 Brian
      September 15, 2011 at 5:47 pm

      Only other than the fact that I have lived here all my life, I wholehearted agree with everything you say. I’m sickened, ashamed, and speechless.

    • 20 nathkatun7
      September 16, 2011 at 12:30 am

      This is because we are not taught the real history of this country. Whenever It appears that African Americans are truly gaining equality many whites always rise up to reverse those gains. It’s called “white backlash.” The Reconstruction period was followed by the vicious Jim Crow period. The Sixties were followed by the rise of the modern right wing movement, which was anti-Affirmative action and school integration” and culminated in the election of Ronald Reagan. Obviously President Obama captured the biggest prize. It’s no wonder overt racism has intensified. Interestingly in periods of intense “white backlash” the so called progressives always join in the bashing of black people. Progressive Republicans abandoned Blacks during the Jim Crow period. Many progressive whites abandoned Blacks during the fight for Affirmative Action. Actually, Liberals, like Hubert Humphrey and late Kennedy brothers, RFK and EMK, have a much better record when it comes to being steadfast in supporting Black rights.

  10. September 15, 2011 at 3:34 pm

    I agree with you, africa. It’s more blatant than at any time I can remember in my past and it reflects an ugliness in people that I hoped never to see. Michael Moore and Bill Mahrer think they’re cool shock jocks because they mouth racist rant, but in reality they are revealing an aspect of themselves that is both vulgar and repellent. Both have overlarge egos and feel themselves above the constraints that normal people consider respectable discourse. Both need to be hit in the bottom line. I won’t ever be going to another Moore documentary–his style is getting tedious in any case and I certainly do not now nor ever will give Mahrer a single click. Let them speak to the wind and to a few dull-witted followers who, like junior high schoolers, think outrageous statements are cool. I also think a lot of these old-timers like Moore and Mahrer (and increasingly Jon Stewart) feel they have to up the ante on stupid statements because they are rapidly becoming irrelevant and unoriginal. My message to all of them: you are not only disgusting, but you are boring, which is an entertainer’s greatest sin.

  11. 22 HZ
    September 15, 2011 at 3:48 pm

    Senator John Kerry is speaking on the senate floor nor about the Rand Paul Amendment, and he is speaking with honesty about the ugly parts of this amendment by rand Paul C-SPAN 2. HZ

  12. September 15, 2011 at 4:18 pm

    I’m so over these emofreaks.

  13. September 15, 2011 at 5:14 pm

    Only someone who has had the privilege of not be subjected to intense scrutiny and discrimination because of the way God made them has the luxury of making comments like this one made by Maher and Moore. They’ll swear they aren’t racists, but what else do you call someone who automatically equates being black with thuggish behavior. If they and the others on the left who do this type of thing would think before they speak, they would see how small-minded, stupid, and racist this belief/attitude is. My dad was very much like PBO–smart, hard working, a great family man, paid his taxes, owned several homes, was a devoted husband to my mom, got along well with others, Christian–all qualities that most Americans would say are important to success in this country. Maher, Moore, and their defenders don’t have a clue about how it is to live in America after being born black, to defy the stereotypes, and to be successful in spite of all you have to deal with. These folks would have either committed suicide or given up a long time ago had they experienced only a few of the things I had to deal with. IMO, because they lack the necessary experience to know what being black in America is like, they should STFU about making claims about PBO, and the way they “think/expect” a black man is supposed to act. Not every member of a particular population is the SAME, yet they use their national platforms to smear everyone in the group. Bottom line: they showed on national TV how ignorant they are. Instead of talking about a subject they don’t know about, they should be talking to someone like Tim Wise. I’m not only insulted, I’m pizzzzed to the max!

  14. 26 nathkatun7
    September 16, 2011 at 12:44 am

    Thank you so much Majji for this comment! In my view your father was a more typical African American than the stereotypical image of Black men popularized by the movies and Television. By the way, how come some of these people are so fond of quoting Dr. King but at the same time are quick to demonize President Obama. Would they expect an Italian-American president to act like a mafia boss? Let me also say that some of us in the AA community have been enablers. I saw Cornel West on the Maher show when Maher went into his usual outrage against the President because he wanted to see an angry Black man. The estimable Dr. laughed and did absolutely nothing to push back against this false image of Black men.


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