‘the gop’s genius plan to beat obama in 2012’

Mother Jones: Republican state legislators in Pennsylvania are pushing a scheme that, if GOPers in other states follow their lead, could cause President Barack Obama to lose the 2012 election – not because of the vote count, but because of new rules. That’s not all: There’s no legal way for Democrats to stop them.

The problem for Obama, and the opportunity for Republicans, is the electoral college….

…. Currently, 48 states and DC use a winner-take-all system in which the candidate who wins the popular vote in the state gets all of its electoral votes. Under the Republican plan – which has been endorsed by top GOPers in both houses of the state Legislature, as well as the governor, Tom Corbett – Pennsylvania would change from this system to one where each congressional district gets its own electoral vote…

This could cost Obama dearly……

Full post here

Jonathan Bernstein (Washington Post): ….The result of all this would be that presidential elections lose a great deal of their legitimacy.

It would be entirely possible for a Republican to win the 2012 presidential election despite losing the popular vote by a solid margin and losing states containing a solid majority of electoral votes…..

In short, it’s an absolutely outrageous plan, terrible for democracy and terrible for Pennsylvania. But extremely good for the short-term prospects of Republican presidential candidates.

Full post here

Thank you Chiaro11


101 Responses to “‘the gop’s genius plan to beat obama in 2012’”

  1. 1 Me4obama
    September 14, 2011 at 6:11 pm

    Wow, I saw this on Twitter and feared reading it this morning and sure it’s really obvious these people are desperate they know they are going to loose come 2012. Thank you Penslavania for electing these idiots in office.

    • September 14, 2011 at 6:16 pm

      I have sent it to all the folks in my e-mail list and asked if they will treat it as another political savvy story or treat it as a group effectively trying to rig the electoral college.

      I also tweeted it to Brian Williams, Scott Pelley and Diane Sawyer.

      They’ve gone from instating laws to deny poor people to vote to rigging the electoral college. And to boot, these people preach about democracy in places like my native country, by sending out monitors to watch over elections, yet they have no qualms about restricting voting rights here.

      Go figure.

  2. 3 gcwp1
    September 14, 2011 at 6:12 pm

    NOW – you have my attention. I ignored the PL, the MSM, the polls, and (sorry) some of the pessimistic types on blogs such as these, but THIS business concerns me. Damn! How do you fight back?

    • September 14, 2011 at 6:17 pm

      What a little troubling in that article is that it says that Dems may not have a legal footing to fack back. The worst type of electoral fraud if you ask me.

      • 5 gcwp1
        September 14, 2011 at 6:24 pm

        That is consistent with what I read on TPV 😦

      • September 14, 2011 at 10:25 pm

        The ‘no legal footing part’ is what troubles me. All along when I’ve been hearing of the new laws re voter ID etc. etc, I figured PBO’s team must be aware and are already putting measures in place, like in 2008 when they requested volunteer lawyers to watch over the voting, etc. I admit that hearing now that they may not be able to legally stop this is a little unnerving. Nevertheless, I’m going to trust that the Obama administration can problem solve creatively because I don’t see what ‘we the people’ can do here.

    • September 15, 2011 at 6:58 pm

      The National Popular Vote bill would guarantee the Presidency to the candidate who receives the most popular votes in all 50 states (and DC).

      Every vote, everywhere would be politically relevant and equal in presidential elections. Elections wouldn’t be about winning states or districts. Every vote, everywhere would be counted for and directly assist the candidate for whom it was cast. States have the responsibility and power to make their voters relevant in every presidential election. Candidates would need to care about voters across the nation, not just undecided voters in the current handful of swing states or districts.

      When the bill is enacted by states possessing a majority of the electoral votes– enough electoral votes to elect a President (270 of 538), all the electoral votes from the enacting states would be awarded to the presidential candidate who receives the most popular votes in all 50 states and DC.

      The bill has passed 31 state legislative chambers, in 21 small, medium-small, medium, and large states, including one house in AR, CT, DE, DC, ME, MI, NV, NM, NY, NC, and OR, and both houses in CA, CO, HI, IL, NJ, MD, MA, RI, VT, and WA. The bill has been enacted by DC (3), HI (4), IL (19), NJ (14), MD (11), MA (10), CA (55), VT (3), and WA (13). These 9 jurisdictions possess 132 electoral votes — 49% of the 270 necessary to bring the law into effect.


  3. 8 Bobfr
    September 14, 2011 at 6:15 pm

    It’s time to call the Republicans exactly what they are – ANTI-AMERICAN.

    Yes.We.Can. … DO.More.Together!

    • 9 Ladyhawke
      September 14, 2011 at 7:07 pm

      Exactly. This is Un-American and unpatriotic. I know this for sure because If the roles were reversed the Republicans would be throwing around the phrases Un-American and unpatriotic like confetti. And of course, there would be 24X7 MSM coverage that would make the Reverend Wright controversy pale in comparison.

      The hypocrisy of the Republican Party is just breathtaking. Bottom line, they have nothing to offer the American people. All they can do is lie, obstruct, delay, make stuff up, and hold hostages. They don’t know how to govern. The only way they win is to rig the system.


      • September 14, 2011 at 8:18 pm

        And the worst news is that our news media is seemingly in partnership with all of this. They mislead and promote the divisiveness and negativity, ignore Obama and his appearances while failing to report the real truth of all the obstruction and political game-playing by the Repubs. They used that NY election as if it was the greatest and truest indicator of all time. I don’t remember the same treatment when Dems won surprising elections. It’s been just pitiful and disgusting today.

    • 11 nathkatun7
      September 14, 2011 at 11:38 pm

      Exactly! This is nothing but a purely blatant scheme to rig the election! And these people have the audacity to call themselves patriots and Christians! If any one doubts the depth of vicious racism within the Republican party this should be a wake up call. There is absolutely no other explanation for this. It really amazes me why Republicans hate this amazing man who shows tremendous love and respect to all the people, including them.

  4. September 14, 2011 at 6:19 pm

    The only problem is the electoral college is in the constitution!
    Can they change federal law?

      • 14 Me4obama
        September 14, 2011 at 6:31 pm

        Thank you Jovie. Then again these people HATE PBO so much they are desperate and will do anything and trust me it will NOT work. Today’s crowd in NC proved the doubters wrong and that’s why we need to fight with everything we got to gain back the house and control the senate so that PBO can appoint 2 more supreme judges. Yes we can.

    • 15 nathkatun7
      September 14, 2011 at 11:44 pm

      They are not changing the electoral college. What they are changing is how Pennsylvania awards its electoral votes to ensure that it favors Republicans. I don’t think Pennsylvania alone will be able to deny President Obama re-election. The fear is that Republican dominated states like Wisconsin, Michigan, Indiana, Virginia, etc., will follow the Pennsylvania example.

  5. September 14, 2011 at 6:19 pm

    We sure could use ACORN right about now.

  6. September 14, 2011 at 6:24 pm

    Reuters new poll out has the president at 47%!

    What is so horrible about that! You would think with the way the msm is carrying on, that he is at 5%(five percent)!

    • September 14, 2011 at 6:39 pm

      Gallup also has a poll with Americans supporting his jobs plan, but the one that is being quoted on the news I hear from twitter is the negative Bloomberg poll.

      Nothing new for people who thrive on anything they perceive to be bad news.

      Glad I don’t watch TV

    • September 14, 2011 at 6:40 pm

      This same poll has the president beating both republicans(Romney, perry) by at least 6 points!
      Mark mckinon said that Barack is ahead now but once their is a nominee that will change!
      Nice spin. We were all led to believe that Barack is way behind right now! Lol!

      • 22 utaustinliberal
        September 14, 2011 at 6:55 pm

        Hahaha. Jovie, I just heard that on Rev Al’s show “Politics Nation” and I cracked up 😆 In various polls against a generic republican, PBO comes out on top and now he’s beating all the GOP candidates in various polls. Mckinnon is a moron for thinking that when the GOP finally pick their candidate he’s automatically going to be polling better than PBO. PBO will be in full campaign mode by then, he’ll have one person to run against, he’ll decimate the crap record of the GOP nominee, and he’ll take his message and record of accomplishments to the American people 24/7.

        As for this GOP business about changing how the electoral college works. That’s troubling and I fully expect the DOJ to look into it. No proposed nonsense is 100% full-proof. There’s definitely going to be some loop-hole or some asinine clause that the DOJ can use to crush this voter suppression tactic.

        • September 14, 2011 at 7:09 pm

          The thing is that every time the roll out one of their candidates, he or she opens his or her mouth, and their stock suddenly falls flat. So, they can keep hoping for a savior.

          I can’t wait for the campaign to start in earnest.

        • 24 nathkatun7
          September 15, 2011 at 12:24 am

          I don’t think what the legislature is doing in Pennsylvania is subject to DOJ review. The Constitution gives states the power to choose electors. Pennsylvania is trying to adopt the Miane/Nebraska model that bases electors on both winning the state and winning congressional districts. This is why what the Republicans are pushing in Pennsylvania really endangers the re-election of President Obama. I suppose the DOJ can challenge gerrymandered districts if there is evidence that those districts violate the Voting Rights Act. On the other hand, however, Courts have tendered to look the other way when gerrymandering is purely based on politics. This what’s happening in Pennsylvania.

          Previously, the winner of the state took all electoral votes. With the new proposed scheme in Pennsylvania, Electoral votes would be apportioned on the basis of who wins congressional districts with the at large 2 votes going to the winner of the state’s popular votes. If that becomes the norm, Republicans would have an absolute lock on the Presidency! In terms of popular vote, more Americans tend to vote for the Democrats because the majority of Americans reside in predominantly Democratic areas. With gerrymandered Congressional districts in favor of Republicans, It’s likely that Republican presidential candidates will win enough electoral votes without having to win popular votes. The way I read it President Obama may win the popular vote in Pennsylvania, but still loose the electoral votes if he fails to win the gerrymandered Congressional districts that favor Republicans. This is really a nefarious scheme!

    • 25 JoJothecat
      September 14, 2011 at 6:48 pm

      That’s why we can pay too much attention to tee vee MSM hair on fire pundits (except Al Sharpton) who are only trying to get ratings. Did you notice that Rachel changed her tune when people stopped watching her? Maybe we need to do the same with LO, Tweety, Rachel and ED.

      • September 14, 2011 at 6:56 pm

        I Agree! I only watch rev al, and I can only stand the last five minutes of tweety!
        Otherwise, I find out what they are saying from you all, and then I comment on it!
        They should have treated bush this way, not this president!

      • 27 Linda
        September 14, 2011 at 7:13 pm

        I don’t pay attention anything except Al Sharpton on MSNBCFOX

        Yesterday I turned on Hardball and the screen was not even up yet when I heard Pat Buchanan’s voice so I shut it right off.

      • 28 Betsy
        September 14, 2011 at 7:59 pm

        Were we really that effective? Did she change her tune? I haven’t watched her in a long time, I’d love to know she’s back and consistently supporting the President.

    • 29 chiaro11
      September 14, 2011 at 7:28 pm

      HuffPo had a short article about a poll that showed support but sort of lukewarm for the president’s job plan in general, but when you get into the details of the plan the support increases significantly.

      The Republicans are already trying to dismantle it so the President is doing the right thing by being on the road as much as he can to rally the troops. It’s going to be an uphill climb because as the republicans stated this week, they don’t want to give the president a “win”, so it really is going to be up to us! We have to stay on it, I know we can do it!

  7. 31 lmrj
    September 14, 2011 at 6:27 pm

    … and that’s why they are acting like they have already won the election! I’ve been wondering what’s been up their sleeves. This has to be fought!

    • 32 tally
      September 14, 2011 at 6:39 pm

      Not only this, but more e-voting machines, which they own – and they own the servers that the vote totals are transferred to.

      Unless we turn out BIG, we’re going to see another SCOTUS presidential appointment.

      • 33 lmrj
        September 14, 2011 at 6:46 pm

        Absentee ballots hand delivered to Voter Registrar offices are better. Been doing that for many years. Have never trusted the polling places to deliver properly. Time for boots on the ground!

        • 34 tally
          September 14, 2011 at 7:06 pm

          I vote absentee as well – so I can vote on PAPER!

        • September 14, 2011 at 7:27 pm

          We had to vote absentee one year because we were going to be out of town for an important election. I did not end up with any confidence that our votes were ever counted. When I got the ballots, I called the county clerk’s office with a couple of questions, wanted to do everything correctly so ballots weren’t disqualified for some dumb reason. And the gal there said something like, “Oh, just fill it out however you want.” Okay then. And when I asked what happens to our ballots when they receive them, she said they are put in a box in a closet. Oh, that sounds promising. And she then made some statement that made me think those ballots are never dragged out unless there is a close election, or at least till long after election has been decided. We still sorta laugh about our poor ballots still gathering dust in a lonely dark closet somewhere. That was my last absentee voting, and thankfully they began having early voting so a conflict was no longer a problem.

    • 37 JoJothecat
      September 14, 2011 at 6:51 pm

      We need to encourage across the country – voting by mail. California Dems are encouraging getting people to vote by mail. I was not aware that more Republicans vote by mail than Democrats. We need to increase this. I’ve been voting by mail for over ten years now.

      • September 14, 2011 at 7:33 pm

        I cannot believe that there is not standardized voting —–there should be the same kind of ballots everywhere. There’s so much fooling around with poll locations and different kinds of ballots and voting machines and ballots found in some poll watchers’ trunk. Some states have early voting, some don’t, and even those that did are now trying to lessen the amount of time. It’s so slipshod. It’s pitiful that we have to depend on this mess to select our leaders and the future of the country.

    • 39 gcwp1
      September 14, 2011 at 6:51 pm

      They always act this way. Remember Boner getting 90% of what he wanted last month? Or so he says. It’s part of their stock in trade routine. They ooze faux confidence. Dems whine. But that does NOT mean it is not threatening news.

      • 40 JoJothecat
        September 14, 2011 at 7:12 pm

        If the house/senate/pundit GOP is moving their mouths….they must be lying. When they are on my teevee I mute them because I know it’s all lies and I can’t stand to hear their voices. I read what they have to say so I can stop when the lies start.

  8. September 14, 2011 at 6:36 pm

    This latest move is making me want to scream at all those who voted for the vile Corbett and the slimy R’s in the state legislature. We have to fight this crap big time. Today I contacted the PA Democratic Party and asked them what their strategy was for combating this. The answer, not much. I called the DNC and asked what they were doing to help fight this and didn’t get a call back. Fortunately the OFA is on the job and they are fighting back. We need to “go Wisconsin” on this because these people will stop at nothing to undermine the Democratic process if it means they can get their way. This is the equivalent of putting a poison pill into the Democratic process and it affects all of us, not just the people in Pennsylvania. Why isn’t the faux left screaming about this? Where’s the media outrage? I am angrier than I ever remember been in my life.

    • 42 gcwp1
      September 14, 2011 at 6:49 pm

      Thx! The OFA will not take this lying down.

    • 43 Sue in Minnesota
      September 14, 2011 at 8:01 pm

      If you read the article fully, it says we need to take political action……first step is being aware and bringing this to the attention of the voters.
      Too much goes on unnoticed at the state level. This is going to require people up in arms, and probably in the streets.

      After I read it I wanted to vomit….this is America why are we allowing the wool to pulled over our eyes and our rights as voters to be systemically dismantled.

    • September 14, 2011 at 11:06 pm

      PoliticsPA reports there is some already some Republican opposition to PA plan to change state’s electoral vote. http://bit.ly/qEMIyc

      • 45 Sue in Minnesota
        September 15, 2011 at 4:58 am

        Well I sure as hell wouldn’t depend on a Repbulican to save my back. We need to be responsive to this….all these voter issues need to dealt with ahead of the election.

  9. 46 tally
    September 14, 2011 at 6:38 pm

    I agree with Bernstein, and it would also be the beginning of the end of the Electoral College (a great thing), which is something the red states do not want EVER.

  10. 47 Fred
    September 14, 2011 at 6:43 pm

    what a bunch of asswipes

  11. September 14, 2011 at 6:51 pm

    OT, but this is too delish. The worst teabagger congressman, Joe Walsh, was ordered by a Cook Co. judge today to show cause or be held in contempt of court for falling behind to the tune of $100,000 on his child support payments. And the judge asked why he was not present in court today with ex-wife and Walsh’s attorney said, “He’s a Congressman.” As if we should all bow down and no rules need apply. The judge shot back, “Well, he’s no different than anyone else.” The judge was not impressed with the congressman excuse. Karma.

    • 49 Fred
      September 14, 2011 at 7:01 pm

      this couldn’t have happen to a better fucker 😉

      • 50 jacquelineoboomer
        September 14, 2011 at 7:20 pm

        Didn’t know whether to reply to dotster3 or you, Fred, but I chose you and your sentiment! Walsh better be either held in contempt or have his driver’s license taken away for not paying child support or something FAST.

        “He’s a Congressman,” eh? Well, hopefully, not for long if he has to resign while he’s SITTING IN JAIL under contempt.

        • 51 jacquelineoboomer
          September 14, 2011 at 7:29 pm

          Even you haven’t already, you may want to check out the comments under the Joe Deadbeat Walsh story. Good ones!

          • 52 Fred
            September 14, 2011 at 7:46 pm

            so happy I read them before logging off;now I am in even more pain thank you them and YOU Jacqueline;THANK YOU for that as much as it hurts 😆

            good night and thank you 😀

        • 53 Fred
          September 14, 2011 at 7:31 pm

          don’t think this arrogant racist delusional fool even has his license at this point . . . but yes I’d love to see his sorry ass in jail

        • 55 Sue in Minnesota
          September 14, 2011 at 7:42 pm

          So busy being a Congressman that doesn’t attend joint seesions addressd by the President. That’s impressive.

  12. 56 tally
    September 14, 2011 at 6:52 pm

    ok – I posted this at the end of another thread, but thought it might be a nice weapon to send to the PL, and any of your whiny friends who get caught up with the whiny EmoProgs and PL……

    edit, send, do whatever.->>>> we need every tool we can get. I’m adding on another email I shot him a few minutes ago…. I know I’m bashing my head against a brick wall… but maybe someday he’ll see the light. Many of you have heard parts of this before from me….. so forgive the repetition.

    In this vein, my “friend” who has a “Left” blog, who I used to write for, who was a Hillary supporter, and will never get over that she lost to Obama…. and is now a professional Obama basher…. hoping that she will primary him….

    I sent him this yesterday – of course, he’ll never post it:



    Why do you think Obama doesn’t “come to work” and tell me in DETAIL what he should do to prove to you he does? And before you whine about him stopping the “bipartisan bullshit of reaching across the aisle”, that is what The President Of The United State of America is SUPPOSED TO DO, because he is EVERYONE’S PRESIDENT. Not just the Dems, or the Blacks, but EVERY AMERICAN. If he came out and screamed at the Baggers, and demeaned them, not only would the GOP go on every channel and hysterically shout ZOMG OBAMA IS AN UNSTABLE BLACK MAN THUG WHO IS GOING TO RAPE YOUR DAUGHTERS, STEAL YOUR GUNS, SHOOT YOU WITH THEM, THEN THROW YOUR DEAD ASS INTO A LIBERAL BRAINWASHING CAMP, 24/7, but would also whip up the violent rhetoric because the baggers want another civil fucking war so bad they can taste it.

    And no, “Fight more/harder” isn’t an answer. Be specific. He should DO/SAY what, to whom, and from where? He could be screaming from the White House steps, and if the GOPMEDIA chooses not to cover it, would you even know? Oh, but they definitely show him golfing, (far less than Bush), and going on vacation (far less than Bush), yet fail to report him cutting short that vacation to come back and prep the East Coast for hurricane Irene, which resulted in billions of dollars in damage, but thankfully very few fatalities, when there could have been MANY. WHERE IS THAT STORY???

    Where is the GOPMEDIA’s outrage about Cantor holding FEMA funds hostage for more spending cuts? Why don’t they ask him to start with his own lifetime salary and benefits?

    Facts we know:

    – The GOP are batshit crazy.
    – The GOP have been systematically transferring wealth by deregulation, tax cuts & loopholes for the überwealthy, and dismantling the middle class for almost 40 years.
    – The GOP have taken over the SCOTUS and now Corporations are people.
    – The GOP have successfully killed the Fairness Doctrine, and now own ALL OF THE MEDIA.

    With that knowledge, why on Earth would you still believe ANYTHING that the GOPMEDIA tells (or fails to tell) you?? Why would you believe that President Obama had “scrapped” any EPA air standards? Because the MEDIA SAID SO? Well, stupid YOU. Guess what? THEY LIED. He isn’t scrapping anything. He is postponing the new compliance date by 16 months, because there is a study, began in 2008, that is concluding now, and will have stricter standards in 2013. So, there’s no point in refitting now when you’ll have to REFIT AGAIN before your current refit is finished. OF COURSE THE MEDIA LIED, and most people were too lazy to go read the very short statement of the POTUS to get the REAL STORY.http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2011/09/02/statement-president-ozone-national-ambient-air-quality-standards

    Almost every single day, the POTUS goes somewhere, and speaks to people, ON CAMERA. Sometimes a news channel or two will carry it. Sometimes only C-SPAN will. Sometimes, it’s ONLY AT whitehouse.gov/live And every single statement, and press release is all archived at the Whitehouse website.

    How fucked up is it that a POTUS has to call a JOINT SESSION to beg Congress to pass a JOBS BILL, just so he can get on national TV on every station and SHOW PEOPLE HE IS WORKING? Congress should be passing that shit in their sleep, then he wouldn’t have to TELL THEM TO, and could get other shit done. But the **WE** American people have allowed the selfish behavior of the GOP of putting their defeat of Obama above the welfare of the Citizens of this country, to become somehow acceptable and normal behavior.

    Shame on us.

    Do you really believe the Kochs & Murdoch have ONLY been investing in propaganda targeted to the Right/conservatives in this country??? Why would they do that, when there are fewer of them?? Why wouldn’t they also try to continually demean and disillusion the Left and convince them to stay home? NO REASON AT ALL. THEY HAVE BEEN, and continue to do so, because IT WORKED PERFECTLY IN 2010.

    Do yourself a favor. Go here, and read ALL OF IT http://obamaachievements.org/list Yes, it’s LONG. The President has been BUSY. Too busy to call you personally and give you hourly reports on his progress. And NO, the GOPMEDIA isn’t going to tell you. Why should they? That would mean a WIN FOR OBAMA, and they cannot have that.

    And if Obama is such a Republican, then why are all the GOP crazies who are running for president, promising to repeal every last thing on that list?

    President Obama has done some awesome things that are WONDERFUL for average Americans, but have put MAJOR restraints on The Corporate Thieves who FUCKED THE GLOBAL ECONOMY, and THEY’RE PISSED OFF. Go see for yourself. Or even just the Banking and Financial Reform link – Hopefully everyone will realize what the bigger picture is here: So they can get back to stealing OUR money, they desperately need to get Obama out of office.

    I’m never going to have the Perfect POTUS, no one is. But President Obama is the most Progressive President IN MY LIFETIME. And every single GOP candidate who is running in 2012, will instantly REPEAL EVERY SINGLE THING OBAMA HAS ACCOMPLISHED since he took office, and that list is LONG.

    FOR THE SAKE OF ALL THE GODS EVERYWHERE, AND EVERYONE ON THE PLANET, STOP BLAMING OBAMA, AND STOP CALLING FOR SOMEONE TO PRIMARY HIM. The Kochs would back that person in a heartbeat, because THEY KNOW that would permanently bury the Progressive movement FOR FUCKING EVER.

    This mess is OUR FAULT, for allowing this mess to get this fucked up, for the RIGHT WING INSANITY TO BECOME ACCEPTABLE AS NORMAL BEHAVIOR, and for NOT SENDING A PROGRESSIVE ARMY TO HAVE THIS POTUS’ BACK. That’s like blaming the fired-by-Perry firefighters in Texas for the out of control fires. If a person doesn’t have the tools to get a job done, you can’t blame them for trying to MacGyver it anyway. If President Obama would have made the Public Option his line in the sand, we’d still have nothing. Instead we have something that will eventually create Single Payer when the non-profits come on line in 2014, which will be allowed to merge across state lines, offering larger risk pools, eventually merging nationwide, and VOILÁ! Single Payer. That WILL HAPPEN, if we don’t fuck it up and stay home.

    Every time you whine about whatever it is you’re not happy about something Obama did or didn’t do, you encourage another voter on OUR SIDE to stay home. STOP IT.

    Oh, and if you’re going to give Hillary credit for Libya, you also have to give her credit for Keystone XL (the tar sands Albert – Texas oil pipeline), that is hers and her Dept Of State’s baby completely. Because it’s MORE SECURE FOR THE US to get our oil from Canada (who actually like us) than the Saudis. It’s also far easier to clean a land spill than one in the ocean. And it’s safer to transport it by pipeline than it is by truck or train. We already have over 125,000 miles of oil pipelines in the US. http://www.pipeline101.com/Overview/crude-pl.html Why aren’t the people who are screaming about this pipeline, screaming about getting rid of the existing ones? That oil will go somewhere. If not to us, most likely to China, who will then sell it to us for more, and we’ll still transport it in somehow. I’d rather get it in through an over-ground pipeline than have anything spill in the oceans. Hillary has this one right. And she was right to give the okay. But it’s far better for the Kochs to beat Obama over this, and get more DEMS TO NOT VOTE. The reason HIllary isn’t the target on this, is because SHE ISN’T RUNNING FOR POTUS.

    Of course, we should get rid of all petroleum consumption, or at least restrict it to air travel for now, and go completely green/renewable (HEMP), but getting any GOP POTUS will kill that (and the planet) for fucking EVER.

    • 57 tally
      September 14, 2011 at 6:54 pm

      Oh crap – Here’s the second email – I need chocolate today:


      President Obama **IS** fighting back!! Just because he’s not coming directly to YOUR HOUSE to TELL YOU PERSONALLY, doesn’t mean it’s not happening.

      GO HERE:

      How ELSE do you suggest he do this when the GOPMedia won’t allow him any airtime.

      Obama talking FRIDAY in VA

      Obama talking MONDAY in DC

      Obama talking TUESDAY in OHIO

      Obama talking TODAY in NC

      more here:



      Lots of stuff happening, the GOPMedia doesn’t want to tell you about. That would give Obama a WIN.

      • September 14, 2011 at 7:16 pm

        Tally for President 2016! Chips and the rest of us are so lucky that you post here. Thank you.

        • 59 tally
          September 14, 2011 at 7:19 pm

          Babe, it is **I** who am lucky to have Chips, and all of YOU, my TOD family to post TO.

          I have no idea what I’d do without you all!!!

          ❤ ❤ ❤

          • September 14, 2011 at 7:53 pm

            Much love for ya, tally! Thanks for keeping it real and as for this latest tactic that these assholes have been spending precious time coming up with? It will fail. I not only trust President Obama but the entire cabinet. Eric Holder probably already has somebody on the ground checking out all of these schemes cooked up by these knuckle draggers. I also think that by the time we hear about or see something on the internets, its probably something Obama’s team have been looking at for months. I’m sure that there is team of people Obama’s hired and they are PAID to be paranoid.

      • 61 chiaro11
        September 14, 2011 at 7:37 pm

        Tally you are fantastic!

    • 62 gcwp1
      September 14, 2011 at 7:04 pm

      Awesome. But they have the attention spans of a gnat. I would go with the simple, and yet elegant -” Shove it, Dumbasses!”

    • 63 Sue in Minnesota
      September 14, 2011 at 7:50 pm

      This is so righteous, it needs to go around the world (or country anyway) Awesome Tally.

      CWS…Chronic Whining Syndrome needs to stop….Americans need to wake up and take responsibility for the fucked up government we have helped to create.

  13. 64 PoliticalJunkessa
    September 14, 2011 at 6:53 pm

    I just don’t understand the lack of organization and infrastructure in the democratic party. This is some bullshit 👿 !

    • 65 tally
      September 14, 2011 at 7:21 pm

      I don’t think it has anything to do with lack of organization of infrastructure. They own the fucking MEDIA.

      See my long ass post above the video one^^^^.

      • September 14, 2011 at 9:26 pm

        The media is a big problem, but I’m talking about this electoral scheme. That’s nuts and bolts political maneuvering that republicans specialize in. It’s political machinery. It’s the kind of thing that can only really be countered by an organized and nimble opposing organization. It takes truly understanding the depths to which these teapublicans will go, and being bold in calling them on it, and fighting back against it.

        This can only be done locally — not in the corporate media. It takes strong arm tactics at the local level. Hardball district by district, board by board, precinct by precinct.

  14. 67 Insomniac
    September 14, 2011 at 6:55 pm

    Unreal! The fact that the Republicans would try something like this is not ultimately surprising. What is surprising is that there appears to be no recourse. I’m not a Constitutional or Electoral College scholar, but if they can do this with the American people having no way to counteract it, then this will completely change the dynamics of presidential elections going forward, and not in a good way. It will also make it much, much easier for Republican shenanigans with vote counts etc. given, as Tally points out above, that their cronies have control of the companies that produce and run the e-voting machines and the servers toshe results are stored on. Any ideas on how to combat this? What can we do?

  15. 68 JoJothecat
    September 14, 2011 at 6:58 pm

    Do you know what the GOP/MSM fears most?

    See the crowds in Raliegh today and where ever the President goes? That’s what they fear. They know they can not beat this president when people get out to vote. The only way they can do it is by stealing it and cheating. I do not believe we will sit by and let them steal another election and let the SCOTUS appoint another TEXAN!

  16. September 14, 2011 at 7:03 pm

    Also, if state can supersede article II of the constitution, then the blue state governors would pass something to strengthen the presidents chance of winning!

  17. 71 Fred
    September 14, 2011 at 7:05 pm

    like John McEnroe would say ” they cannot be serious? ” 😯 🙄

    GOP Jobs Plan: More Snakes?

  18. September 14, 2011 at 7:16 pm

    We have recourse. WE should push for a National Popular Vote in retaliation. A national Popular vote is exactly the thing Repugs fear most.

    • September 15, 2011 at 1:33 pm

      The National Popular Vote bill would guarantee the Presidency to the candidate who receives the most popular votes in all 50 states (and DC).

      Every vote, everywhere would be politically relevant and equal in presidential elections. Elections wouldn’t be about winning states or districts. Every vote, everywhere would be counted for and directly assist the candidate for whom it was cast. States have the responsibility and power to make their voters relevant in every presidential election. Candidates would need to care about voters across the nation, not just undecided voters in the current handful of swing states or districts.

      When the bill is enacted by states possessing a majority of the electoral votes– enough electoral votes to elect a President (270 of 538), all the electoral votes from the enacting states would be awarded to the presidential candidate who receives the most popular votes in all 50 states and DC.

      In Gallup polls since 1944, only about 20% of the public has supported the current system of awarding all of a state’s electoral votes to the presidential candidate who receives the most votes in each separate state (with about 70% opposed and about 10% undecided). Support is strong among Republican voters, Democratic voters, and independent voters, as well as every demographic group surveyed in virtually every state surveyed in recent polls in closely divided battleground states: CO – 68%, FL – 78%, IA 75%, MI – 73%, MO – 70%, NH – 69%, NV – 72%, NM– 76%, NC – 74%, OH – 70%, PA – 78%, VA – 74%, and WI – 71%; in smaller states (3 to 5 electoral votes): AK – 70%, DC – 76%, DE – 75%, ID – 77%, ME – 77%, MT – 72%, NE 74%, NH – 69%, NV – 72%, NM – 76%, OK – 81%, RI – 74%, SD – 71%, UT – 70%, VT – 75%, WV – 81%, and WY – 69%; in Southern and border states: AR – 80%,, KY- 80%, MS – 77%, MO – 70%, NC – 74%, OK – 81%, SC – 71%, TN – 83%, VA – 74%, and WV – 81%; and in other states polled: CA – 70%, CT – 74%, MA – 73%, MN – 75%, NY – 79%, OR – 76%, and WA – 77%. Americans believe that the candidate who receives the most votes should get elected.

      The bill has passed 31 state legislative chambers, in 21 small, medium-small, medium, and large states, including one house in AR, CT, DE, DC, ME, MI, NV, NM, NY, NC, and OR, and both houses in CA, CO, HI, IL, NJ, MD, MA, RI, VT, and WA. The bill has been enacted by DC (3), HI (4), IL (19), NJ (14), MD (11), MA (10), CA (55), VT (3), and WA (13). These 9 jurisdictions possess 132 electoral votes — 49% of the 270 necessary to bring the law into effect.


  19. 75 desertflower
    September 14, 2011 at 7:19 pm

    Just trying to do my part for some justice:) Pass this along, if you will.

  20. 79 Keith in C-bus, Ohio
    September 14, 2011 at 7:21 pm

    Riveting news folks. I am at work and was in a patient’s room with an Conservative Idependent working with me. We were doing a portable xray and low and behold on the patient’s television the CBS evening news came on with the gloom and doom for President Obama. Bob Shieffer (spelling) was at his best hyping the NY-09 victory for the Teathugs and the Nation moving in the wrong direction poll numbers of 72%. He also mentioned a Californina poll that mentioned that PBO was somewhat umpopular, but they gave no numbers stating that the largest state in the Union was a big win for PBO in 2008, but they cast doubt on his prospects for 2012. I was just in there for 5 minutes and almost vomited in my closed mouth. 😯

    Yes, folks this kind of NEGAITIVE NARRATIVE is what we are up against vs the Fascist MSM and it will only get worse. Now we will have states controlled by the Teathugs to try and change their electoral college laws. WE WILL NOT LET THIS HAPPEN FOLKS! WE MUST PREVAIL!! WE ARE THE CHANGE WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING FOR!! YES WE CAN AND YES WE WILL AGAIN!! Obama/Biden 2012!!

    • 80 proudmemberofglobalzero
      September 14, 2011 at 7:29 pm

      Thank you for posting Keith. I just want everyone to know that I have already been talking 2012 with young people in my new area. Yes, I call bank for OFA..I was a summer organizer too. The youth are really waking up. Most I talked with just turned 18 in time to vote in the 2008 election. They did vote all the way down the ticket…thank g-d but did not vote in 2010. Not that they lost faith in the President….they just didn’t think it mattered. They are wide eyed and ready to go back to the polls in 2012. Yes, they will vote all the way down the ticket….but do it in EVERY election.

      The GOP has opened their eyes. I do not expect them to close again.

    • 82 Betty's Girl
      September 14, 2011 at 7:31 pm

      Exactly Keith! We have to keep our eyes on the prize. The President won by both popular and electoral votes. I honestly think the Repub came out too soon showing their hand. There will be so many events in the next 14 months the will change all of this.

    • 83 tally
      September 14, 2011 at 7:36 pm

      Bob is lying HACK.

      LATIMES just reported on a poll that has PBO leading the polls even among REPUBLICANS.


    • September 14, 2011 at 7:38 pm

      Is there a new California poll? The last I saw – eight days ago – said this:

      ….. a new USC Dornsife/Los Angeles Times poll shows that Obama’s strength in California has endured despite deep dissatisfaction among voters with the economy. In hypothetical matchups, Obama led Romney by 19 points, Perry by 24 points and Bachmann by 26 points.


      • 87 tally
        September 14, 2011 at 7:40 pm

        HA! Great minds babe. No, I don’t think there is a new poll, I haven’t seen it and I FUCKING LIVE HERE.

        So Bob can go fuck off.

      • 90 Keith in C-bus, Ohio
        September 14, 2011 at 7:49 pm

        😯 Quite a different look than what CBS was giving their viewers this evening. Thanks Chips. I knew that report had to be LIES!! I am so glad that when the President visited Columbus yesterday and all of the stops he is making he is getting wall to wall coverage by the local medias. The national media has him on BLACKOUT. Thank God we have some smart folks in the Whitehouse. 😉

    • 92 proudmemberofglobalzero
      September 14, 2011 at 7:34 pm

      Thank you….I just emailed the link to myself. It will really help that I have that information for my call bank this week.

    • 93 Me4obama
      September 14, 2011 at 7:46 pm

      Am in tears, oh my!!!!!! Thank you Lawd.

    • 94 Fred
      September 14, 2011 at 7:49 pm

      that should be shown on every single bloody networks.Reading it is one thing but watching this is even better
      I shivered from start to finish.THANK YOU Berny for this

      dear GOD I want to THANK YOU for Barack Hussein Obama.Give him life;health;courage;guidance;love;blessings;joy;protection and successes

    • 95 desertflower
      September 14, 2011 at 8:32 pm

      Thank you for that…I saved it:) Did we hear that on the news? don’t answer…it was rhetorical…

  21. 97 carolyn
    September 14, 2011 at 8:38 pm

    I sent Scott Pelley a blistering letter tonight about his lead story…the New York 9th….which won’t even be a district in the 2012 election. I told him he knew it was a totally unrepresenative district and the election issues were: the mosque, Israel and gay marriage….not the president. Ed Koch is a total turncoat, but his first interest is Israel, not the US. That may sound harsh, but that is so.
    They all neglected to even mention the six Democratic Assemblymen elected in New York, some in Republican districts. I reminded Scott Pelley of that. I was thoroughly disgusted with him tonight. I also wrote Norah O’Donnell and told her that her disdain and hate for the President showed, and this was not the objective, fair, CBS that used to be. That silly election did not deserve to be the lead….then LOD led off with that, and we turned it off and walked the dogs. Much healthier for all of us.

  22. 98 Mary Gray
    September 14, 2011 at 9:38 pm

    is it time for the American Spring. Should we camp at Congress until we get a jobs bill? Should we march on state capitols demanding fair voting rights for all? How do we coalesce into a cohesive body of people to make change, to have out voices heard?

  23. 101 meabloom
    September 14, 2011 at 10:26 pm

    How can they let them do this??? It’s so obvious they are trying to set him up to lose. This is so unfair, ridiculous and SAD. He is that HUGE of a threat to them. Such Scum.


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