Steve Kornacki: Maybe you remember the much-discussed map that the New York Times ran in November 2008, just after Barack Obama racked up a bigger share of the national popular vote than any Democrat had in 44 years. It really was the perfect election for Democrats, with just about everything breaking their way, and yet the Times showed that in a few pockets of America, Obama had somehow fared worse than his party’s previous (losing) nominee.

This phenomenon was mostly centered in Appalachia, but there were exceptions – like the Brooklyn/Queens-based 9th District of New York, where Obama performed one point worse than John Kerry had in 2004 and 12 points worse than Al Gore had in 2000.

This may be the most important piece of information to keep in mind now that the voters of that same 9th District have just handed national Republicans a dream talking point… there really isn’t much that’s remarkable about the victory that Republican Bob Turner achieved on Tuesday night.

Mainly, it tells us what a simple look at President Obama’s job approval numbers (or the economic indicators that are largely responsible for them) would tell us: Voters are frustrated and eager to register their displeasure with him and his party. This is true everywhere, but particularly in areas like the 9th District, where voters already had clear reservations about Obama even before he did anything as president – back when his approval ratings were still stratospheric.

…. None of this is to say that Turner’s win is a non-story … President Obama is in serious political trouble and is faced with an electorate that could easily deny him a second term next year. But then, that would have been true even if the Democrats had pulled an upset or two on Tuesday night.

Full article here



Nate Silver: …. New York’s Ninth Congressional District has highly unusual demographics, with a set of local issues that are unlikely to extrapolate well to the rest of the country.

… First, there are the local issues – Barack Obama’s positioning toward Israel, Mr. Weprin’s endorsement of a plan to build a mosque and Muslim cultural center in Lower Manhattan, and possibly gay marriage – that will resonate more in Queens than they will in the rest of the country.

Roughly 40 percent of voters in the Ninth District are Jewish, 20 times the rate in the country as a whole. Moreover, and perhaps more important, many of those voters are Orthodox Jews, who often have starkly different political viewpoints than Reform or secular Jews, and who are extremely rare in the United States outside a few spots in the New York region.

There’s also the fact that the district was already behaving unusually in 2008. Despite having a 37-point edge in party registration, Mr. Obama won the election by only 11 points there – barely better than the seven-point edge he had nationwide.

I doubt that there was any district in the country (in 2008), perhaps outside a few remnants of the “Solid South,” where so many enrolled Democrats voted against Mr. Obama.

Full post here


Read Steve Benen’s take on the result here



And don’t forget how Weiner won that seat in the first place – here


Wow, look at that Brooklyn result. 🙄

92 Responses to “ny-9”

  1. 1 Me4obama
    September 14, 2011 at 7:27 am

    Good Morning Toders. IMO, am glad this Democrat Lost last night. At the beginning of his campaign he was distancing himself from President Obama and that my friend is Karma.

  2. 3 sjterrid
    September 14, 2011 at 7:46 am

    Good morning Chips and TOD family. This is really not surprising. I understand that that the Dems were going to lose this district in 2012 anyway, so I believe the leadership in New York wasn’t going to invest a lot of money into this district.

    • September 14, 2011 at 8:00 am

      Morning sjterrid 😉

      That last line from Nate Silver – “I doubt that there was any district in the country (in 2008), perhaps outside a few remnants of the “Solid South,” where so many enrolled Democrats voted against Mr. Obama” – says it all about the district, really.

      But, needless to say, that’s not getting mentioned in all the hysterical reporting today.

      No one could argue it wasn’t a bad night for the Dems, but a little context would be nice!

  3. September 14, 2011 at 7:47 am

    Some Americans vote with their emotions! Their is a lot of emotions before intelligence voting in America! Maybe due to the MSM and it’s insistence of creating a false narrative!
    But I do know this, it happens on both sides of tge aisle and republicans are very cocky and running the same campaign they did in 2010!
    This will most likely put Perry in the drivers seat for their nomination, despite numerous flaws, he is Sharon Angle on steroids!
    The President will then run the exact same campaign that Reid ran, except Ruth a lot more skill! Also, the media has missed that the only voters that favor republicans ate white! That is their detriment!

    The MSM misses it!

    • 6 JoJothecat
      September 14, 2011 at 10:03 am

      Exactly, That is what happened to WI. They voted their emotions for something different. Well, they got a whole lot of different and did not like it. Maybe this district was going to trend in that direction or they will wake up in a few months just like WI and all those other states that now have voters remorse.

  4. September 14, 2011 at 7:51 am

    Oh and btw- if you listen to Michael Steele, he will tell you that their is democratic tea baggers and last night, in response to a small airplane flying over the tea party debate- with the words, where is the real birth certificate- mr Steele said it might be a democrat!
    He is basically telling us something, are you listening?

    • September 14, 2011 at 8:04 am

      You know, Steele could be right (for once in his life)! There’s no shortage of ‘progressive’ bigots, Jovie. I read one of them this morning on DU saying that all people are getting from the President is “jive talking” – and s/he linked to a YouTube video of the song. The thread was locked, but that ‘progressive’ wasn’t banned, still there posting. Sometimes they let their masks slip.

      • September 14, 2011 at 8:09 am

        Good morning! And thanks to all for calming me down!

      • 10 Me4obama
        September 14, 2011 at 8:16 am

        You are absolutely Right Chips, if you want to see bigots and Obama haters who call themselves Democrats, don’t look no further than DU. I have managed to Win Myself off of Huff Puff completely and in have know Idea why I still check that website and get all worked up and angry afterwards.

        • September 14, 2011 at 8:23 am

          I’d stopped looking at DU because it’s just bursting with bile from the same old creatures who’ve opposed Barack Obama from the first day they laid eyes on him. But I had a look this morning to see the reaction to the NY result, that’s when I saw the “jive talking” post – in case they delete it, here’s a screenprint.

          You gotta love these ‘progressives’.

          • 12 Gwendolyn Carter
            September 14, 2011 at 9:37 am

            Many “progressives” are over-the-top when it comes to views about President Obama’s policies. But—let’s remember that the republicans actually pay individuals to lurk around democratic blog sites to cause disruptions. Sometimes individuals who self identify as progressives are actually republicans who are being paid to cause chaos online. I have noted the presence of these “paid trolls” as far back as 2007/2008. In a few instances, they have actually been identified as paid trolls. I am sure you are equally aware of their actions. I mention this because the re-election season has started. So, the opposition will be everywhere trying to cause problems.

            We must not get sidetracked by these special elections. The democratic candidates were not going to win. We know the win/loss had nothing really to do with President Obama. That is the republican/media talking point for the day. Let’s turn our attention to things we can do today. We need to use all of our energies to be positive support for President Obama’s efforts. Right now, we need to continue to contact congress to “Pass The Bill.” The media is pushing back against the President. They are saying he cannot get the entire bill passed. We need to keep up the pressure. We may be unable to make sure the bill passes, but we can give the republicans the good ole “What For!” Also, we should begin to make contact with people we know who no longer support the President or have lost their interest in active support. We can try to engage them to return to support President Obama and democratic candidates, also we can inform them about the dangers of choosing these republicans. This will be a long journey, but we must be victorious. The future of our nation is at risk. The republicans are determined to defeat and destroy all liberal programs we have fought for and achieved since the depression. “Fired-Up, Ready To Go!”

            • 13 kefauver
              September 14, 2011 at 4:08 pm

              Daily Kos is crawling with them. Now they fit in because of the right-wing rhetoric being thrown around by “progressives.”

  5. 14 Sukey
    September 14, 2011 at 7:53 am

    So he has bad numbers today. Does that mean that he will lose 14months from now? And to whom,a generic candidate? Sometimes I think that if the American people are so stupid they deserve it.

    but, why, yesterday did he poll better than both the front runners. Huh?

    • 15 anniebella
      September 14, 2011 at 8:05 am

      I saw a poll were Obama leads Romney by 4 or 5 points and Perry by double digit. So explain the poll.

      • 16 MoObama
        September 14, 2011 at 8:08 am

        They should knock off these polls. It’s way too early to know what will happen. Remember HRC…she was the next president according to the early polls.

      • 19 Sukey
        September 14, 2011 at 8:09 am

        Steve Benen just posted an article on this! Don’t have the link,it’s tricky on the iPad.

        • September 14, 2011 at 8:12 am

          Thanks Sukey, I just added the link to the post. I can’t do ANY linking on my iPad, I’m glad to hear I’m not alone! 😦

        • 21 kefauver
          September 14, 2011 at 8:32 am

          I looked at the Benen link provided in the post above. I don’t see any “bad numbers” for Obama unless you are referring to the special election results. Public Policy Polling, which is one of the best outfits in the business, came out with a poll yesterday showing Obama 4 points ahead of Romney and 11 points ahead of Perry. I know it’s meaningless right now, but after all the shit that’s been thrown Obama’s way from the extreme right AND extreme left over the past 3 months, those numbers are pretty good.

          • 22 hopefruit2
            September 14, 2011 at 8:42 am

            People can’t pick and choose which polls they are going to use to form a narrative. If the media is using “bad” polls to predict doom and gloom for teh 2012 election, they can’t then turn around and claim that the good polls are meaningless because they are this far out.

            I think it’s an even bigger stretch to claim that a special election in an off year in an atypical district has any bearing on a Presidential election in 2012. Remember after Scott Brown’s election, the MSM had bascially declared Obama’s presidency over? He was supposed to be a lame duck after Jan 2010. HCR, Financial reform, START Treaty, Repeal of DADT, Taking out of OBL, were all accomplished during this su-called lame duck season….

      • September 14, 2011 at 8:13 am

        Oh, they are pushing those polls like they did in 2019, until it became a self fulfilling prophecy!
        DC is throwing everything they have at him. That is why I cannot believe house democrats and their consistent trashing towards the president!

  6. September 14, 2011 at 7:57 am

    “… the voters of that same 9th District have just handed national Republicans a dream talking point…”

    It’s not just a “dream talking point” for Republicans. Expect the poutragers on the left to adopt the same talking point as well.

    • 28 hopefruit2
      September 14, 2011 at 8:34 am

      A dream talking point? That you can only win elections based on hate and bigotry funneled through major lies about your opponent? That’s not any talking point to aspire to.

  7. 29 anniebella
    September 14, 2011 at 8:03 am

    I’m not worry. This President is a fighter and he will fight, so will his supporters. If America is stupid enough to elect one of those Republicans, after all the things they said they stand for and what they want to do, if America vote one of them in then America deserve to go straight to HELL.

    • 30 anniebella
      September 14, 2011 at 8:09 am

      Let the President continue to go out speaking to the people about his jobs bill. I’m not worry about 2012. It’s September 2011 and what’s on the other side, the GOP ought to scare people to death. So we shall see.

    • 31 kefauver
      September 14, 2011 at 8:35 am

      I agree. NY-9 was mainly about local wedge issues, not Obama in general. This result is not a portent for national elections in 2012.

  8. September 14, 2011 at 8:06 am

    Good morning Linda at WIW, I just wanted to share Randi Rhodes link with you regarding the crying baby.. I think this link will help you fill in your contact the Congress document.


  9. September 14, 2011 at 8:16 am

    Here is a good example of messaging-
    Bloomberg poll out this morning-
    Will press obamas jobs plan lower unemployment rate?
    No will not help 51%
    yes will help 40%

    I thought he was winning that messaging on jobs?

    • September 14, 2011 at 8:28 am

      Also, he is at 45% approval in this poll and CNN was 43%.
      just about where he has always been since those damn town halls!
      But, they follow the number with his lowest approval ever crap! Yeah, by one point, all these polls are his lowest approval ever- by one point!
      Very interesting!

      • 37 halo
        September 14, 2011 at 8:34 am

        ““I think the jobs bill is a good start, but it’s hard to look at it real positively in light of what’s just happened with the budget,” said Jason Dumas, a 40 year-old independent voter from Charlotte, North Carolina. “The partisanship is still there and it seems like we’re gearing up more for the election.””

        I think it’s more a factor of people not thinking Washington can do anything than Obama not being able to do something. They know he wants to do something, but there’s only a limit to what can be accomplished. This is the entire strategy of the Republicans. Drive down enthusiasm among potential Obama voters and drive up the antipathy/hate among their own voters. They know that as long as “Washington” is hated, even if they are hated more, the only thing that counts is who comes out on Election Day.

        • 38 halo
          September 14, 2011 at 8:38 am

          ““I personally don’t think it’s his fault, I think it’s Congress,” said Krystal Carter, 40, a Democrat, who is an esthetician in Davenport, Florida. “They’re like a bunch of kindergarteners. I think we just need to vote all them out and start over.”

          “If he believes in something, then he needs to stand for it,” said Dumas, the North Carolina independent who works in video production. “He needs to back it and not play both sides. It hasn’t really served him well.”

          There is a hunger out there for something who fights. That’s just the American Way. People know who’s standing but in the end, they will blame the President if he’s not fighting for what he wants or if he APPEARS to not be fighting for what he wants. In politics, perception is everything. I’m glad PBO is starting to do that more forcefully. He realizes that in this media environment, if people don’t see you doing it or hear you doing it, then you aren’t doing anything.

          • September 14, 2011 at 8:58 am

            70%+ voters believes Pres. Obama fights for what he believes in. Dumas sounds like they’ve been reading some liberal blogs.

          • 40 Mae who love our CIC
            September 14, 2011 at 11:27 am

            Krystal through Halo,
            The kindergarteners like my granddaughter deserves more credit. When they are in the classroom, they follow the rules and behave as expected.
            A lot of people have an outlook that is quite dismal. It is so hard at time to explain to them that if it is so bad now, just think what the circumstances will be if we do not help our President win a second term. Don’t listen to the television. Don’t turn it on, you will save on electricity. The Republicans are showing us and they are telling us that they do not care about the American people. We don’t need to listen to this garbage. Join a good blog site where the nourishment will keep you sane, otherwise we are doom before we get started.
            THE Republican Party is made up mostly of white America and they see that they are becoming the minority voice in this country and they are trying to set the government up to be their controlling factor of rules and regulation even though they will be the minority in a few years. They who will have the controlling wealth in this country, will dictate the rules. With money, power usually follow. Why do we see the media engaging in lies each day, propaganda each minute just like in third world countries, they are controlling the messaging. But we are circumventing that movement just like they do in third world countries, the internet, texting, e-mailing, twittering, blogs, etc. We must fight hard and be consistent. We must remain hopeful.
            With a democratic government we all stand a chance of surviving.

      • 42 JoJothecat
        September 14, 2011 at 10:13 am

        They somehow never tell the public what congress is polling…..at 13%! The Dem controlled congress polled at least in the twenties.

    • 43 hopefruit2
      September 14, 2011 at 8:37 am

      Jovie, regardless of what this one poll says, ALL polls so far have shown more people to be confident in Obama’s jobs plan than in any Repub plan. Where are the numbers for the Repub plans?

      • September 14, 2011 at 8:47 am

        That is true! Maybe we should remind these news agencies! They are leaving out republicans on purpose, to make this all about the president!

        • 45 hopefruit2
          September 14, 2011 at 9:01 am

          But this is nothing new and as I’ve always said on this site and elsewhere, the MSM is an extended arm of the Republican party. Without the MSM the Republican Party would have either fizzled out, or fell in line and worked responsibly to govern the country even if they are in opposition to some of the President’s policies. The media is a HUGE reason why we are in this current situation, and the sooner the general population realizes this, the better off America will be. When your salary is 7-figures and you are getting million-dollar severance pay after being “fired” you have absolutely NOTHING to lose in a bad economy.

          • September 14, 2011 at 12:39 pm

            The media is a HUGE reason why we are in this current situation, and the sooner the general population realizes this, the better off America will be. They just do get it. I have boycott the News just watch Rev. AL and C-span but each time I look at cable news rating it the same. Morning Joe and others have not when down. No matter how much they lie on Obama Democratic still watch. it not the Media it the Democratic party not demaning they change. The Color of change brough down Beck for his racism, but us democratic who have a voice do not organzie for a change in the media. Fox News they alway say main stream media is bias but you never hear the others News station compain about Fox. Most Democrat in congress their hands are in the pocket of Wall Street and Big Business too. Thats why they bashes Obama on every thing. They also wants to bring him down. Money rules the world = greed

    • September 14, 2011 at 8:55 am

      that’s a very specific question and doesn’t determine whether or not he’s winning the message on jobs. His plans are preferred over the GOP’s.

    • 48 Desraye
      September 14, 2011 at 11:12 am

      I will take the bloomberg poll with the grain of salt.

  10. September 14, 2011 at 8:35 am

    http://hosted2.ap.org/apdefault/APNews/Article_2011-09-14-NASA Rocket/id-51d34b6fb4bc4f66b7011f270eff3134

    Here is a Really cool story on NASA new rocket design!

  11. September 14, 2011 at 8:41 am

    Morning all. Don’t forget Harry Reid is having a twitter townhall today. I’m going to tweet him about getting his dems in line behind everything our president wants to do.

    “Today marks my 1st Twitter Town Hall, 4pm ET. Follow here: http://1.usa.gov/qF8DUY Subject: #jobs Looking fwd #AskReidTH”

  12. 51 FiredUpInCA
    September 14, 2011 at 8:42 am

    Maybe it’s just me, but NY-9 looks like a far left progressive fail when you consider 1) how the seat came up for grabs in the first place (Weinergate) and 2) no constructively engaged outraged fervor to replace the seat with another Democrat. Exactly what were progressives doing proactively to ensure the seat would remain Democratic between the day Weiner flamed out and election day? To the extent that they can’t answer that question, I don’t want to hear from them about what the President must do or their tips on election strategy or the admonishment to spinefully fight for what they believe in. I don’t want to hear from them after their spectacular loss.

    • 52 hopefruit2
      September 14, 2011 at 8:45 am

      The truth that neither the left nor the right media will acknowledge is that Weiner won this “progressive” seat via race-baiting. And race-baiter in chief Donald Trump contributed to his campaign for that seat. Weinter maintained his “cred” in that district by always appearing to be against whatever PBO was doing. Methinks he must have been getting instructions from the Donald as well.

    • 53 57andFemale
      September 14, 2011 at 9:24 am

      Disclaimer: I’m Jewish.

      To answer your issues:

      It’s not a progressive seat. With demographics that are highly unusual. Orthodox Jews are very conservative and vote on a few issues only — Israel being one of them. Anyone who thinks Israel should negotiate for peace is unacceptable. They are insular as a point of pride. The outside world, particularly that black guy, is not in their comfort zone.

      The seat is going to be redistricted away. We have huge battles to fight — to fight for a seat that will no longer exist is not the smartest use of DNC money.

      The candidate sucked, for that district. What we saw of Weiner on the national stage was not the ‘code’ sent to his constituents. If anything, he could rail against Obama on health care, etc., but what his constituents heard was railing against Obama’s Israel policy. Methinks that’s what Weiner was really doing anyway, and using anti-Obama rhetoric that read differently in his district to get national attention.

      A ‘progressive’ candidate kind of lost, didn’t he? Pro gay marriage (hated by Orthodox Jews as much as the Christian right), open to a mosque in that district. That’s what progressives look like. I’m unsure if a more ‘progressive’ candidate would have fared any better. \

      However, they could have found a candidate who didn’t advocate for a mosque in NY 9, for God’s sake.

    • 57 kefauver
      September 14, 2011 at 4:15 pm

      There was not a peep about the special election on DFOX until last week when a diary showing the Democrat, Weprin, trailing by 6 points in the latest polling made the Front Page. I was like, “Wait, there’s a special election for Weiner’s old seat next week?! Where are all of the progressive activists?! Why aren’t they pimping any candidates?”

      “Progressives” talk a big game, but they do little else than sit around and complain.

  13. 58 Mariele K.
    September 14, 2011 at 8:42 am

    Good morning all. semi-new visitor. First, let me say how much of a pleasure it is to read this blog. It is refreshing.

    In terms of last night’s special election, I believe it is a referendum for us to work harder to ensure that Obama is reelected. I am tired of polls and pundits telling us what to think and feel. In my mind, Obama should be reelected no matter some small miniscule special election says.
    People say these elections are a referendum of the President. I believe that it tells us how gullible people are to the statements made by the media and the Republicans. I think that the Repubs run their campaigns based on fear and ignorance.

    • 59 FiredUpInCA's
      September 14, 2011 at 9:00 am

      I just can’t follow their logic. All politics are local. Two GOP-leaning districts in New York and Nevada went GOP. That is supposedly definitive proof that the President’s prospects for re-election are seriously hobbled if not outright doomed.

      PPP has a poll showing him ahead of the two GOP Presidential frontrunners. He’s 11 points ahead of the most likely nominee, Rick Perry.

      So why not base the President’s prospects on the PPP poll? It would see to be more relevant than looking at Democratic losses in Republican-leaning districts.

      Or how about this media: if you’re not going to analyze the significance of the President’s rapid rise in popularity in two weeks against Rick Perry, then also skip talking about the far-reaching implications of NY-9, since neither event is likely to have any bearing on who the country will choose to be President of the United States on election day 14 months from now.

      • 60 JoJothecat
        September 14, 2011 at 10:19 am

        Welcome back and hope you comment more. Very good analysis. In the end, I have faith that if Perry is the nominee for the GOP, people will choose smart and intelligent over dumb and cocky. We did dumb and cocky and it hurt us at home and around the world.

  14. 61 anniebella
    September 14, 2011 at 8:42 am

    Give me some info about the President speaking in N.C. today, what time and will it be on whitehouse.gov? Got to get ready to listen to my President. .

  15. September 14, 2011 at 8:46 am

    Oops try this link for the Obama administrations new plan for NASA and going to mars:


    • 64 JoJothecat
      September 14, 2011 at 10:25 am

      Thanks Jovie,

      Very good news about NASA and their new rocket. I think this will create a ton of jobs for scientist and engineers. I read that Amazon was getting into the space business.

  16. 65 donna dem 4 obama
    September 14, 2011 at 8:46 am

    Meta and I both volunteered last Saturday at OFA. She in California and I did here in MD. We both posted comments that we needed Dems to get involved and help to volunteer. In fact I even called for an Action Thread here on the blog that evening because I saw the writing on the wall when I made those calls Saturday to NY-9. I don’t say this to “bring people down” but I do feel a sense of apathy in this country on the part of Dems.

    There are pockets where people are Fired Up and then there are pockets where there is crickets….

    Linda has put together a great Call To Action for TOD and I made calls to Congress yesterday to McConnell, Cantor, Reid, Pelosi and my own Congresswoman and Senators. Not one phone line was busy. I got straight through to all of them. Where is the Dems sense of urgency? No, not panic but urgency. They were clamoring for the President to do something. Make it about JOBS, JOBS, JOBS….he does that and the response from those on our side to his call to action is tepid at best. I’m not talking about this blog (I know we are are engaged and making the calls) I’m referring to the country as a whole.

    The Republicans make every single thing this government has to do to operate a disaster and I get the sense that Dems just sit by and watch it happen.

    5 weeks ago they bring this country to the edge of economic disaster and when the President tells the nation to make calls we bring the phone lines down because the country feels that it will affect them personally. Now someone tell me what is more personal than having a job? I’ll tell you that with 9 percent unemployment as awful as that is it means that 90 percent of the working country has some sort of job so as a whole they don’t feel any sense of urgency. Now that’s just my opinion.

    Rev. Al Sharpton had a similar discussion yesterday on his radio show. The Republicans cheer putting people to death at the MSNBC debate and the media and the country basically give them a pass. The Republican Tea Party cheers about someone dying for not having health insurance and the media talks about it for a “minute” and moves on to the next topic. We, the public, are outraged but essentially do nothing about it. This stuff should scare us all into action as a Nation but somehow we are just sitting back waiting for the President to “start” campaigning to get Fired Up all across this land. Hell PBO IMO has never had the luxury of not campaigning. He has had to sell everything he has done since he took office. Not a moments rest for our President. He has worked his heart out every single day.

    Rev. Al and the National Action Network will be having a March on Oct 15th here in Washington for Jobs and Justice. If this country is so upset about Jobs then they better get on one of those busses he has leaving every state and show some solidarity about forcing Congress to pass this Jobs bill.

    BTW – I’m still leading in the National Fundraising Challenge (In large part because of the great people here on this blog)


    I’m off to work and I’ll leave you with my fundrasing page for the couple of people who said they will donate today.

    If only the rest of the country was as engaged and intelligent about politics as the people here on this site… Everyone have a great day!

    • September 14, 2011 at 9:09 am

      Thank you Donna. Well said. I would have thought people would be thankful that there were no attacks on this country on 9/11 but we continue to be complacent. I don’t want to wait until October 15 to get this jobs bill passed. Let’s call, call, call today. I still think we need to target one person so the volume is concentrated in one place as Sue in Minnesota said. Let’s do this today. Start calling everyone, anyone!

  17. September 14, 2011 at 8:50 am

    Hey chip,
    I can’t get that NASA story to link! If anyone can, it is really cool stuff, with a vision from this president to get to mars!
    Sort of like JFK!
    35 billion dollar plan, by 2035 we will be on mars!
    Thank heavens I should be around!

  18. 71 desertflower
    September 14, 2011 at 8:55 am

    Their lies are as false as “flour and water make steak” http://blogs.reuters.com/david-cay-johnston/2011/09/13/nonsense-posing-as-wisdom/

  19. 73 nintendowii10
    September 14, 2011 at 9:02 am

    I’m not panicking at all over losing NY-09, and the reasons are three-fold.

    Firstly, the voters in the district are right wing orthodox Jews. It’s clear that Wiener kept on winning this district by voting right wing on many issues, the big one being Israel. Weprin voted for gay marriage which alienated them.

    Secondly, we have a major election season just 14 months away where we can win more than just one seat, do you really think that 14 months from now, the Republicans will be saying “YEAAAAAAAAAAAAH! We won NY09 in a special election 14 months ago, what do you libs say about that!!!!”?

    Lastly, the district is being redistricted away, which explains why the Democrats didn’t spend a whole lot of resources there. So even if the Democrats won this district, it still would have been a big loss overall and the meme would have been that the Democrats won a seat that’s going away, so what’s the point?

    Let the right wingers thump their chests over this “win,” if you can even call it that. They already have the House majority anyways, so what’s one more seat to boot? Turner will be back in the unemployment line soon enough, along with many other Teapug Reps.

    • 74 57andFemale
      September 14, 2011 at 9:15 am

      “Yea! We found Jewish racists who like Republicans! We WIN!”

      I can call them Jewish racists. I’m Jewish. I know what I’m talking about.

    • 75 JoJothecat
      September 14, 2011 at 10:35 am

      What really baffles me is when PBO did not do an “executive order” to overturn DADT, the PL and gay organizations were touting how great ALL the republicans were that came out for gay issues….Dick Cheney, the Bush girls (or one of them), Laura Bush, etc. Now, the rightwing are against gay marriage and Dems lose because of it. Can someone explain to what’s going on? Is it only cool to be for gay issues when Obama has not come out ahead of it? It appears to me the Republicans are for gat issues when not trying to get elected and they are against it when running for office.

  20. 76 nintendowii10
    September 14, 2011 at 9:11 am

    But check this out, as if Fox Noise didn’t already sink to the lowest common denominator, they do it YET AGAIN!

    Fox News Troubled By Obama’s Use of Paper Clip


    Their biggest gripe about the American Jobs Act is THE PAPER CLIP!!!!

    It’s the most absurd talking point Fox Noise has had as of yet!!!!!

  21. 81 57andFemale
    September 14, 2011 at 9:13 am

    I’m about the most un-practicing Jew you will ever meet. Both of my parents were dead by the time I was 21, I left Milwaukee and moved to Chicago and being a practicing Jew was not part of my life. But I’m Jewish — it’s a cultural identification that has sustained Jews for thousands of years and this you don’t lose.

    I have been appalled at Israel’s behavior — this is not how I was taught that Jews should behave. I, like the majority of American Jews, say ‘enough already’. The Palestinians are not going to be destroyed, the Israelis are not going to be destroyed so let’s stop the mutual destruction.

    So my advice, as a Jew, is to ignore this election. The talking heads will try to make this a referendum on All Things Obama but unless Orthodox Jews are the picture of the American electorate, it doesn’t matter. I will be annoyed when Pat Buchanan gets a forum to equate all American Jews with Orthodox and I may not be able to follow my own advice. But I’m going to do my damnedest.

    Ignore it. The talking heads will find the next shiny object in a day or two. Move on.

  22. 84 Lorraine
    September 14, 2011 at 9:36 am

    I hope I’m not banned for my views so here goes; the lost on NY9 was about the homosexual agenda come home to roost. There are a lot of people, including majorities of Africa-Americans and Hispanics that are against homosexual marriage, remember Prop 8. Israel was the focus too, until the Palestians remove hamas from the discussion there will be no state for them.

  23. 85 hopefruit2
    September 14, 2011 at 9:36 am

    When Kathy Hochul(D) won the NY26 in a Republican district, you heard crickets in the media about what that meant for the Republican party in 2012. Currently, six AD seats in NY were all taken by Democrats, some of them in Repub districts – yet no one seems to discuss that either. The media is only reporting something when they can spin it as a loss for President Obama.

  24. 86 Valerie
    September 14, 2011 at 9:36 am

    Looks like old Ed Koch helped the in the election. Sorry, but I hope those who voted for the GOP in Ny 9 get what they deserve 😦

    • 87 JoJothecat
      September 14, 2011 at 10:50 am

      So ex-mayer Ed Koch (spelled like the Koch brothers) backed the Republican to “teach” the president a lesson. Sounds like he promoted someone who belongs to the party that wants to “kill” SS, Medicare, Medicaid and see the destruction of Isreal by ushering the end times. Oh well.

  25. 89 #1 Obama Fan
    September 14, 2011 at 10:02 am

    Wow ..visited the site earlier this a.m…this so reminded me of an article I read a few months ago by steve kornacki @ salon.com ..how former rep Weiner won his city council seat in 1991..using racially tinged flyers about the crown heights incident..against his opponent Adele Cohen..linking Jesse Jackson and then mayor D.D…Bob Turner who won last night borrowed the idea of using a flyer using a golden domed mosque to stir fears and race bait..the folks in this district are known for their racism

  26. 90 mmmk
    September 14, 2011 at 10:58 am

    the ny-9 results have to do everything with the local jewish community following their rabbis and former mayor ed koch. he explicitly framed the election as an attempt to send a message to obama on israel. shame, shame and shame.

  27. September 14, 2011 at 12:41 pm

    Look at the 2010 numbers – Weiner got 67,000 votes Turner got 43,000. Now look at the special election numbers – Welprin got 28,000 and Turner got 33K.

    So Turner ran for the seat 9 months ago and got 43,000, got 33,000 in the special. Weiner got 67,000 whereas Welprin got only 28,000. So Dem turnout was 40,000 less than from the Nov10 election. This seat is going away, rank and file Dems had no reason to rally out to vote. GOP on the other hand wanted the win to send a message on economy, Orthodox Jewish voters were instructed to send a message about Pres. Obama’s Israel stance, and than there was a big anti-same sex marriage pushback. And Welprin was a terrible candidate.

    If GOP want to embolden their caucus with this “win” and how it means they’re on the right track than be my guest. I hope the do.

  28. September 14, 2011 at 9:44 pm

    PoliticsPA reports there is some already some Republican opposition to PA plan to change state’s electoral vote. http://bit.ly/qEMIyc

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