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  1. 1 gchopeful
    September 9, 2011 at 8:34 am

    Bravo Mr. President. Pitch perfect speech!
    I always enjoy watching who leaps to their feet with applause, and who sits deeper into their chairs during these joint session events.
    If you have a chance, go back and watch the occasions when the Dems sprang up, and the Repubs did not.
    A few times the topic was as tame as something akin to “I believe in milk for all kittens” and the republicans just CAN’T agree.
    It’s going to be tough slog to get this legislation passed, but I believe that we’re all up to the task.
    Call your representative TODAY, and urge them to hurry up about it…

    Obama/Biden 2012

  2. September 9, 2011 at 8:39 am

    So, Csntor will be having a jobs event in richmond, as well:


  3. September 9, 2011 at 8:41 am

    Libya has started producing oil and shipping it, which will eventually lower oil prices!

  4. September 9, 2011 at 8:46 am

    GOOD MORNING, TODVILLE!!!! I’m so elated this morning. GREAT speech and now our President is taking his show on the road where it counts, to the districts on Rusty and Cantor’s turf. BRILLIANCE so bright, you cannot mistake it.

    And speaking of brilliance, our dear Pete Souza shares his magnificent eye with us this morning:


    • 6 Ladyhawke
      September 9, 2011 at 9:13 am

      Thanks meta. Pete Souza is a genius. I was especially drawn to the photo of President Obama and Vice President Biden. It’s a keeper. The way they are looking at each other is very revealing. It just oozes with warmth, affection and mutual respect. This is one powerful relationship.

      • September 9, 2011 at 9:22 am

        Lady, it just amazes me how Pete catches these moments so beautifully, especially because he moves so much and so fast. He has a steady hand and a keen eye. Sheer genius. You know, I think he recognizes that this is a very modern President. I say very modern in the sense of the way PBO applies his energy, intelligence and vigor. PBO is always in motion, his whole body. Eyes, ears, mind, heart, soul. He is always taking everything in. Pete sees this.

  5. September 9, 2011 at 8:49 am

    Geitner is on the bloomberg channel!

    • September 9, 2011 at 8:51 am

      Geitner is saying the 8.9% contraction(the month Obama took office) we had- was worse than the great depression!

      • September 9, 2011 at 8:54 am

        Geitner is very smart, why the far left Hayes him is beyond me!

        I have definitely warmed up to him!

        • 11 gn
          September 9, 2011 at 9:04 am

          IMO they think that his role with the NY Fed was collusive with Wall St. excess. They just don’t really know much about him and what his views really are, particularly in light of the economic disaster.

          OT–cute baby video alert:

        • September 9, 2011 at 9:25 am

          I have always really liked Geithner. I think you have to take the time to watch him speak and I’ve listened to hearings, forums and interviews. Most of the PL and baggers have only heard the BS headlines about him being a Wall St. caver or whatever, despite the fact that he’s been in public service all his life. They don’t seem to bother to investigate ANYTHING.

          • 14 theo67
            September 9, 2011 at 12:32 pm

            I’ve always loved Geithner, especially knowing that he was running the Treasury Department almost by himself at the beginning,when the country was on the precipice of disaster and jackals (e.g. Huffington, Krugman) were calling him all sorts of vile names and demanding that he resign. He’s just a very dedicated and brilliant man, and he’s my third most favorite person in the Administration after President Obama and VP Biden. Seeing him in interviews and in international settings – he has a lot of those admirable qualities that President Obama has – and he’s 50 this year, too. He’s spent all his life in public service, just like President Obama. I remember during the worst of the attacks on Geithner, his father was interviewed. He said that he was pained to hear people saying the things they said about his son, because if they knew him, they’d know he has a heart of service and has spent his entire life in public service, wanting to serve his country – and that he’s just got a heart of gold, plus being incredibly smart. When I heard rumours that he might leave – I was really disappointed. I’m glad he’s sticking around. And he’s a pretty good basketball player, too.

        • 15 57andFemale
          September 9, 2011 at 11:22 am

          Really? I’m still not a Geithner fan. My sense was that he was chosen because he would be able to talk to Wall St. and find bridges. I think he just talked to Wall St, and came back to Obama with Wall St. talk. I still don’t perceive an understanding or commitment from Geithner that helps Main St. There should have been a firmer hand with the bailouts, getting more in return and proving to the American people that there would be some consequences. I’m not saying I’m buying into firebagger b.s. that every Wall St. CEO should have been perp walked, but there should have been a sense that the Obama administration was going to put some strings on these guys. This is what I expected from Geithner and we didn’t get it. Some of this helped fueled the tea party fire and has served no one. The perception that Wall St. health came before the health of Main St. is what has pissed off some progressives who normally would not have bailed on the President.

          Please guys, don’t flame me for saying this, but I think Obama would have been better served by a few more progressive voices on his economic team, for a better balance.

  6. September 9, 2011 at 9:20 am

    Have you called your Congressman and Senator yet today?

  7. September 9, 2011 at 9:23 am

    I thought it was the best policy speech of his presidency. It was Barack Obama in all his glory and in hope it’s where he’s going to stay for the next 14 months. The difference between him and the clowns sitting in front him could not be clearer. And yea, he went big and bold and still came up with something that no sane person can object. And I hope he’ll go from state to state and make people get the hell out of their keyboards.

    When he’s like that, he’s unstoppable and it’s okay to wish that he’ll be like that more often. He was riveting, I was glued to the screen, and had chills, because I missed him a little bit, and I just love this annoyingly magnificent man. 🙂

    • September 9, 2011 at 9:34 am

      BWD, he has this look, I call it his FIERCE face, and he was wearing that look last night. It’s a look that says, don’t you even think about messing with me. He means business and he’s not going to let this happen on his watch. The pivot to Virginia and Ohio is masterful and it shows that he will not put up with their crap any longer.

      I would say that he has been leading up to this moment very skillfully. He has not played their taunting games. He has remained himself, presidential and visionary, and now he can say – LOOK, I’ve tried my best to work with these people. Now is the time to do something to stop them. VOTE and we can move this country forward. I think his brilliance is unmatched.

      In the days ahead, he will be setting into motion the things he can do on his own. The extreme right-wing will yell and scream, but PBO has prepared the country for the necessity for action and the country will support him. This is the beginning of the campaign.

      • September 9, 2011 at 9:58 am

        In other words, the President gave the Repugs enough rope to hang themselves. They have no excuses now. There is a plan, even though it was their job to come up with one. I watched the President’s speech again last night and I found myself clapping sitting all alone in my living room. He was beyond brilliant.

    • 21 gn
      September 9, 2011 at 9:54 am

      I thought that it was a terrific policy speech as well! I personally think that POTUS has been really consistent, but I agree a thousand percent that he is incredibly talented with respect to advocating for liberal solutions to problems in a way that isn’t high-handed or talking down to people, and thus is well-received. Indeed it’s going to be such a treat witnessing this for the next 14 months, and I can’t wait to personally jump in feet first right along with the rest of the Obamabot army!

      OT–thanks for getting so far in front of the 8 ball with your personal grassroots fundraising page. You’re close to ten thousand dollars and two hundred contributions—anyone looking to get bwd over the finish line, here you go: https://donate.barackobama.com/page/outreach/view/2012/blackwaterdog

    • 22 Ladyhawke
      September 9, 2011 at 10:09 am

      This says it all “something that no sane person can object”. No one except a rank partisan with disdain for our democracy and THIS president. And therein lies the trap for the obstructionist Republican Party.

      The American Jobs Act has been so brilliantly crafted that the Republican Party has only two simple options. They can start acting like adults and put their country before their party or they can continue obstructing and sabotaging the economic recovery and face the wrath of the American people.

      Check Please!

      • 23 57andFemale
        September 9, 2011 at 11:24 am

        Or Rachel Maddow who still was pissed that he didn’t call Republicans all kinds of names. God, these people.

    • 24 57andFemale
      September 9, 2011 at 11:23 am

      I so completely agree.

  8. September 9, 2011 at 9:30 am

    Moody’s economist Mark Zandi is saying this plan if enacted would create 1.9M jobs. Zandi was an economic adviser to the McCain campaign in 2008.

  9. September 9, 2011 at 9:33 am

    I honestly think he had to keep everything under a lid until he got through the debt crisis, knowing the cost of not raising the ceiling would be catastrophic. He knew he had to reign himself in and tread carefully to get something passed that would put the endless distraction of the deficit behind him so he could then concentrate on jobs. I’m sure he was well aware that Republican stupidity would stop at nothing to undermine him, even the total destruction of the US economy. The Democrats completely let him down when they wouldn’t deal with this a year ago.

    Now he’s free. He gave his glorious warning shot to Congress (which he knows will obstructed by the R’s) and he’s now going to be on the road in campaign mode. If the R’s had played this a little more smartly and not undermined the pres at every turn they could have avoided this direct-to-people nightmare. Because that’s exactly what it is for them. The president unleashed is unmatched by anyone–especially the morally deficient dwarfs on the right. God keep him safe.

    • September 9, 2011 at 9:36 am


      We are on the same page, Jackie. Thank you!!


    • 29 anniebella
      September 9, 2011 at 9:39 am

      I’ve email my Congressman this morning, I am going to email my Senator next. I have a Democratic Congressman and Senator.

      • September 9, 2011 at 9:49 am

        Remind them that they too have to fight for this, get out in local and Statewide press defending/pushing this bill. They have to be more than simply a vote in Congress. Pass the bill right now!

        • 31 57andFemale
          September 9, 2011 at 11:26 am

          I’m adding to your message by telling my Dem representative and one Senator that it’s time for unity. Enough internal backbiting. It’s time to come together. I don’t really have a problem with my representative or Senator Durbin but I think it needs to be said anyway.

    • 32 gn
      September 9, 2011 at 9:50 am

      Spot on analysis. The fickle markets are overly reactionary and indeed, we narrowly averted a worse crisis because of the long term thinking of this man and his unbelievable control over his emotions and ability to detach. That’s why they call him Spock, because most people can’t do that and the drama-loving media doesn’t recognize what an advanced piece of emotional technology which that is, and how beneficial it is to his Presidency.

      I truly believe that the GOP misread the results of the last election in my opinion. I personally think that swing voters were convinced (wrongly IMO) that Dems spent big yet didn’t deliver much, and that it would be a good idea to put the brakes on policies which they might have viewed as too liberal. Teapublicans took that modest mandate and ran with it, scorching the earth and behaving like toddlers. I think that their new “come to Jesus” pro-compromise posture is a result of realizing how far they’ve overreached and that they’ve just given POTUS the ammunition, no matter what they do going forward, to run directly against this Congress and put them to bed. In addition, President Obama told people to get Congress in line, phone lines jammed in response, and I think that this had a positive effect because despite all of the articles and reports about POTUS as weak, this demonstrated that he has an *enormous* clout with this country. This is a really great President and I have zero doubt but that assertions to that effect will continue to be vindicated.

      • 33 57andFemale
        September 9, 2011 at 11:29 am

        It’s not they misread 2010. They calculate differently. There is one message from 2010 that they did not misread: Democrats don’t vote. Repubs don’t have to pretend they represent the entire country because way too many Democratic voters just don’t bother to vote. And now they’re making headway in blocking those that do vote.

        Ultimately it’s not about polls. It’s about who votes. Republicans vote, they vote consistently, and they vote in sufficient numbers that their 25% of the available electorate is enough to run the country. Shame on Democrats for allowing that to happen.

        Even here in IL, we didn’t have enough Democrats to defeat Mark Kirk for Senator. It’s outrageous.

    • September 9, 2011 at 12:18 pm

      THANK YOU! Amidst all the whining from the PL about why wasn’t the President focused on jobs; this.

    • 36 Betty's Girl
      September 9, 2011 at 1:33 pm

      Exactly Jackie! This is exactly what I keep saying. The man is not naive. He knew they would destroy the economy. He also understands the political dynamics if this would’ve happened. As he always says “the bucks stop with him.” He would’ve been slaughtered in the press and the American people would’ve held him responsible even if it wasn’t his fault. They would want him to fix it right away. The Dem lead house left him with a very bad hand by not doing their jobs by producing a budget and debt bill. His hand was strenghtened by making those deals. He has taken some serious political body blows but he is still very strong. I think the Repubs realize this. So sad the Left doesn’t.

  10. 37 gn
    September 9, 2011 at 9:40 am

    As big of an Obamabot as I am, I actually did not have a personal fundraising page until now. I was prompted to get off of my behind and start one via the grassroots fundraising appeal which OFA circulated to everyone; it struck me that if we could all get at least one non-donor to give something to the campaign right now at this early stage, the dividends would be tremendous.

    So I’m linking to my page and matching any and everyone who makes a $5 or $10 donation today; that $5 or $10 might seem to be a small amount, but in a people powered campaign, those small amounts create a whole greater than the sum of its parts, and makes the difference between a group of insecure people plotting behind closed doors with their millions keeping this country regressed (cough, Kochs, cough) versus the rest of us taking this country in a better direction.


    Please donate, and/or better yet, we should all have a grassroots funding page and make it a point to try to get at least one in real life person to get engaged with the campaign. Yes we can!

  11. September 9, 2011 at 9:41 am

    Eric Cantor has a democratic challenger. Let’s not forget to help him out so we can give Cantor the creep the boot.

    Here’s Wayne’s Web site… http://www.ewaynepowell.com Keep his name out there… RT his Tweets. Donate

  12. 43 Fred
    September 9, 2011 at 9:43 am

    morning TOD family

    Haley Barbour Joins Karl Rove’s American Crossroads

    Perry Campaign Repeats False Claim That Rick Perry Never Said Social Security Is Unconstitutional

    Romney Unveils Economic Plan In Foreclosure-Blighted Nevada, Never Mentions Housing
    In July, one in every 115 homes in Nevada received a foreclosure notice

    Romney’s flawed economic plan is stuck in 1980

    • September 9, 2011 at 10:06 am

      Good morning Fred. How are you doing my man? Are you ready for a 100 yd dash? 😉 Was the Prez the bomb or what? Enjoy the rest of your day……..And the same to all you TODers.

      • 45 Fred
        September 9, 2011 at 10:11 am

        morning Yard. I am a lady 😉 and I’ll be letting the Prez do the 100 yd dash for me as I am having a bad day.Thanks you for the wishes and I wish you the best and our TOD family as well and the Prez is always the bomb if you ask me 😉

  13. 49 ChristiMtl
    September 9, 2011 at 9:43 am

    Good morning Chips and TOD’ers,

    Fantastic speech, fantastic man, I love President Obama.

    I did something this morning that I know is only like a drop in the ocean but it feels good.
    I got the list of the evil KKKoch Brothers’s products and send it to my friends to boycott, even to my friend in France because I saw on the list their European bran products, I told him to send it to everyone he knows and boycott.

    I know that many people know that list, I did too a I but never did anything about it, not this time.


    So when people buy Angel Soft or Dixie Cups for example, they are giving their money to their evil empire.

    I didn’t watch MSNBC last night but I saw on Twitter that many were angry with Rachael Maddow, Matthews, Shultz, well the whole gang anyway.
    I mentioned this a few times already but my point is:
    We cannot complain if we don’t boycott their sponsors. We are paying their salaries. We are feeding the propaganda machine. Turning them off is not really a solution in my view because they’ll pick other viewers. It has no impact. Unless there’s a major media blackout but I don’t see that happening. I want us to be able to fight their lies.
    I started already with Starbucks (RW Scarborough), my brother who used to stop there every morning goes somewhere else now and he spread the word as well.
    Starbucks has a twitter account.

    A station owned by Comcast. They are a lot more hypocritical than FOX news, They have the same agenda but the approach is different, it’s more subtle. They don’t use the over the top language or attacks that Fox uses ”death panels, questioning his patriotism, etc” , No, they don’t do that…they call him weak, not a leader, he’s like a republican (Matthews), he caves, etc. One day he’s ok, the next he’s the worst caver there is.
    The impact is the same,.
    It is not a left leaning network, it is a RW network. The executives understand that their viewers are more left leaning so they make sure to give them the appearance that it is. So that’s why they go after the GOP sometimes but mostly they go after the President with their lies and distortions. It’s no coincidence that all analysts and guests are Pumas, emoprogs, Repugs or Libertarians. Where are the true supporters of the President? Where are they??

    MSNBC is the biggest scam there is. They are responsible for 2010, mostly anyway. When people feel there’s no difference between parties, they don’t bother. Whatever you see on MSNBC, you see in diaries on Kos or any angry left blogs.

    Time for action

    • September 9, 2011 at 9:56 am

      You are so right on all counts. I was so mad at those judas on MSNBC I couldn’t sleep last night. Usually I watch Morning Joke so I can harass them with tweets, but I couldn’t stand it today. I’m am boycotting all cable. Period. And their sponsors. I want to see their ratings tank and advertisers flee just like they did Glenn Beck.

      MSNBC is worst than Fox because they are pretending to be liberal when they are anything but.

    • 51 57andFemale
      September 9, 2011 at 11:38 am

      That’s a fantastic resource. thanks.

    • 52 57andFemale
      September 9, 2011 at 11:42 am

      I watched a little of it. I was furious when O’Donnell’s FIRST statement was that Obama was going to ‘cut’ Medicare.

      The biggest fraud is Ed Schultz, in my opinion. He likes to look like a fighter but he’s got his finger in the wind to see which way he should lean. It was never more obvious than last night. Immediately after the speech, he was pleased and excited. Within a few minutes, seeing where Rachel/Matthews/O’Donnell were going, he changed his tune. What a fraud.

      My husband still watches Olbermann. I caught the last five minutes and was appalled by Elliot Spitzer and some other guy who completely ignored political reality.

      At the point where the President actually does what these people have been demanding and they still nitpick, they are all totally worthless.

    • 54 theo67
      September 9, 2011 at 12:43 pm

      Very true – I used to buy Starbucks every single day. I stopped doing that, and now frequent a local roaster who has much fresher and better coffee – and greets you with a smile and a chat. I called Starbucks and told them why I’m not frequenting them anymore – and called them again after the Halperin nonsense and told them it’s disappointing that they’re sponsoring Morning Joke, and will say a lot about their company values if they continue to sponsor a show that allows a nonentity like Halperin disrespect the President of the United States. Now, I spread the message.

      If you’re boycotting, call the PR departments of these companies and tell them exactly why you’re not buying their products. They need to know exactly why their numbers are dropping.

  14. 55 PoliticalJunkessa
    September 9, 2011 at 9:45 am

    Well, TOD Family, in my neck of the woods you can tell a President is coming to town.

    I was slowed down on the way to work as the route I take is one of the main roads running by the University of Richmond. The whole Cith of Richmond police force must be on Three Chopt Road. Each house on the road has two police cruisers in the driveway, the park is cordoned off with police on horseback, the closest shopping center’s parking lot is roped off with police tape, people who are attending the event have to park far away and walk. River Road (which is the other main border road running by U of R has been shut down since yesterday. Lots of students buzzing around heading toward the event. Exciting! 😛

    Wish I was at the event, but word came out late and all the tickets were snatched up. I will make it next time, for sure.

    • September 9, 2011 at 10:17 am

      I know it may be an inconvenience to the locals, but I am so very grateful for the measures they take to protect our President. And I just love the buzz when people know he’s about to pay them a visit!!!!

  15. 57 Fred
    September 9, 2011 at 9:48 am

    Spokesman: Rick Perry’s Climate Denial Impervious To Evidence Of Texas Climate Disasters

    Rick Perry’s Galileo Analogy Was Embarrassingly Flawed

    Rick Perry: ‘Substantial Number’ Of Climate Scientists Have ‘Manipulated Data’ For Money

    Christie Stunner: NJ Gov Met With Pollutocrat Koch Before Pulling Out of Successful Carbon Pollution Reduction Program

    • September 9, 2011 at 9:56 am

      Gov. Christie has been completely outed as a Koch disciple – he’s really no different than Walker, Kasich, Scott or Snyder. He gave the keynote address at their secret meeting and kept it off his public agenda. He was a covert kochroach, now he has sunshine on him.

      If he kept it off his public agenda, does that mean he flew out to Colorado on his own dime? Or did the Koch’s pay for it? And if they did, that has to be declared.

  16. 60 carolyn
    September 9, 2011 at 9:51 am

    We must always remember that this President is in it for the long haul, plays the long game. He spent two years trying to get the Repubs to come along, he tried to change the tone, and everyone yelled at him to “get tougher” he IS tough, he just doesn’t yell and stamp his feet. Last night he showed even the skeptics what is going on. He showed America exactly where the Republicans have led us, and he showed some of the Democrats how weak they have been. But, as we all know he can’t do this alone. I think last night’s speech woke up some people…and his road trips will keep reinforcing and building on that wake up call. Bravo Mr. President!
    My husband remembers Harry Truman’s whistle stop campaign in 1948, and I think we’re going to see the 21st century version of that with President Obama…..when everyone said Dewey was going to win……ha, ha, ha! In fact, my husband saw Harry Truman on the back of the train in Pasadena, CA on that trip.

    • September 9, 2011 at 10:04 am

      Galling that Susana Martinez, Republican Governor of NM, a huge critic of illegal immigrants, is the granddaughter of illegal immigrants. So she wouldn’t be where she is today if her grandparents didn’t “break the law”, but now Gov. Martinez wants to take all the benefits her parents and she had from others.

      Talk about pulling up the ladder behind you.

      • 64 PoliticalJunkessa
        September 9, 2011 at 10:14 am

        How dark does your heart have to be to take the stance that Martinez has taken? Absolutely sick. Self-hate and hypocrisy comes in all colors and cultures. I hope her fellow latinos take her to task.

        • September 9, 2011 at 2:01 pm

          I wouldn’t say self-hate so much as selfishness and small-mindedness. She has been successful because her ancestors used that route, but if ‘everyone’ else is able to climb these same stairs then she would no longer stand out. In a way her attitude seems somewhat similar to that of West and his cohorts – let’s try to keep others of our background/race/whatever down so that we can seem more exclusive, more special in our ‘success’. So sad, really. Contrast that with others, like PBO and his wife, who defend the view that lending a supportive hand lifts up the lender as well as the recipient, AND makes our world a better place for all.

  17. September 9, 2011 at 10:00 am

    I posted this on the prior thread. I called SINO’s (Speaker in name only) office this morning. I was only on hold for maybe a minute before getting a male aide. We are not calling enough. Please call, call, call.

  18. 68 Fred
    September 9, 2011 at 10:01 am

    NM governor says grandparents came to US illegally

    Health Care Ruling Takeaway: Virginia AG Ken Cuccinelli Is a Bad Lawyer

    Perry Campaign Repeats False Claim That Rick Perry Never Said Social Security Is Unconstitutional

    North Carolina Lawmaker: ‘We Need To Reach Out To Gays, Get Them To Change Their Lifestyle’

  19. September 9, 2011 at 10:03 am

    Hey Chips you passed 4m hits! Congrats!

  20. 73 Fred
    September 9, 2011 at 10:08 am

    is he for real? 😯 🙄 🙄
    Supporters Of NC Anti-Gay Amendment Insert Key Into Lock To Demonstrate How To Consummate A Marriage

    CHART: GOP Presidential Candidates Spend Little Time Debating Foreign Policy

    Ron Paul Feeds Right-Wing Conspiracy Theory That Government Could Turn U.S. Into A Concentration Camp

    • 74 theo67
      September 9, 2011 at 12:48 pm

      The GOP candidates spend little time debating anything, because they’re all reading from the same hymn book. Less corporate taxes, no regulations, get govt into people’s personal lives if it goes against the GOP beliefs. No new ideas.

  21. September 9, 2011 at 10:17 am

    In a new poll out for Anthony old seat-
    Huge liberal district(wieners district). A new poll out this morning has the GOP up by 6 for his old seat!
    thanks Anthony, your are a hero to Nobody!

    • September 9, 2011 at 10:23 am

      I was reading about this last night and I have to say I really don’t get this. PBO won this district by a large margin. After all we’ve been through with the right-wing, why is this happening? It’s absolutely crazy.

      • September 9, 2011 at 11:09 am

        Supposedly it’s to send a message to Obama that they don’t support his administrations treatment of Israel. It’s a heavily Jewish district. The message is coming down from above.

        But more – the district was going to be redistricted out as NY loses two districts and it was going to be one Dem district and one GOP district. IF this district flips than it can’t be redistricted as the GOP is losing an upstate one already. So the Dem Party bosses who have their grip on power in the district would rather see the GOP win now to save their district and then run one of their machine candidates in 2012 to win the seat back

    • September 9, 2011 at 10:29 am

      Who is the pollster?

    • 80 Desraye
      September 9, 2011 at 10:43 am

      I heard that the Dems picked a terrible candidate. Also heard something about the residents wanting to cut Medicaid and Obama won’t do it.

      • 81 jacquelineoboomer
        September 9, 2011 at 10:48 am

        Could it also be a fallout of how Wiener departed? Sometimes people get so frustrated with individuals in Congress that they end up hurting themselves, voting for the wrong candidate. I’ll never understand that logic.

    • 83 sjterrid
      September 9, 2011 at 11:02 am

      Fred thank you for all your great links. Please take care of yourself, I saw on the last thread that you weren’t feeling well today. You are in my thought and prayers.

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