so, who’s watching the debate?

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Eating each other alive:

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AP: When Mitt Romney and Rick Perry thumped their chests over their job-creation records as governor during the Republican presidential debate Wednesday night, they left the bad parts out.

Yes, employment has grown by more than 1 million since Perry took office in Texas. But a lot of those jobs are not well paid.

True, unemployment dropped to 4.7 percent when Romney was Massachusetts governor. But the state’s employment growth was among the nation’s worst.

A look at some of the claims in the debate, and how they compare with the facts:

PERRY: “Ninety-five percent of all the jobs that we’ve created have been above minimum wage.”

THE FACTS: To support the claim, the Perry campaign provided federal statistics for December 2010 showing only 5.3 percent of all jobs in Texas pay the minimum wage.

But those figures represent all workers, not just the new jobs, for which data in unavailable. And that does not account for low-wage jobs that may be above the minimum wage. According to the Texas Workforce Commission, 51 percent of all Texas workers make less than $33,000 a year. Only 30 percent make more than $50,000 a year. Nationally, Texas ranked 34th in median household income from 2007 to 2009.

About 9.5 percent of Texas hourly workers, excluding those who are paid salaries, earn the minimum wage or less, tying Mississippi for the highest percentage in the nation.

ROMNEY: “At the end of four years, we had our unemployment rate down to 4.7 percent. That’s a record I think the president would like to see. As a matter of fact, we created more jobs in Massachusetts than this president has created in the entire country.”

THE FACTS: To be sure, 4.7 percent unemployment would be a welcome figure nationally. But Romney started from a much better position than President Barack Obama did. Unemployment was only 5.6 percent when Romney took office in 2003, meaning it came down by less than 1 percentage point when he left office in 2007. Obama inherited a national unemployment rate of 7.8 percent.

464 Responses to “so, who’s watching the debate?”

  1. 1 collegekay
    September 7, 2011 at 7:56 pm

    Psh. Not me. No thanks.

    • September 7, 2011 at 8:02 pm

      I’m with you on that one collegekay.

      I can’t even stand the sight of them farless listen to all the nonesense they will be spewing.

      Excited about the President’s speech tomorrow though.

    • 3 Pamela
      September 7, 2011 at 10:19 pm

      Not I, said the very tired caregiver from Seattle!

  2. 4 Me4obama
    September 7, 2011 at 7:57 pm

    😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 ROFLMAO. Only you can pull that off chipsticks. 😆 😆 😆 😆 bwahhahahahahahahahah

    • 5 anniebella
      September 7, 2011 at 8:06 pm

      Who’s watching the debate? It sure won’t be me. I have better things to do, like get ready for tomorrow night at 7pm. I have to make sure there is no dust on my tv, so I can see President Obama clearly.I have to make sure the remote doesn’t need batteries, I’ve got to make sure I hear the President. I have to make sure no one calls me, so I’m putting the word out. I have to check the weather, don’t want any thunderstorms. So as you can clearly see I’m too busy to watch that circus. I’ve got better things to do.

  3. 11 lamh34
    September 7, 2011 at 7:58 pm

    this is why I’m glad for Twitter and the intertubes. I would rather stick hot pokers in my eyes, while simultaneously stabbing myself in the gut as I submerge myself in a tub of rubbing alcohol.

    So thx for those who will be watching.

  4. 14 jacquelineoboomer
    September 7, 2011 at 8:00 pm

    I’m going to watch. Mentioned earlier I’m wrapping the President’s speech in Detroit and his speech before Congress around me, so I’ll be safe. Also following some funny folks (including Tally!) on Twitter, as they live blog.

  5. 15 Me4obama
    September 7, 2011 at 8:00 pm

    Am waiting for the live bogging. In 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 tax cut, Ronald Reagan, Obama care.

  6. 16 Jessica
    September 7, 2011 at 8:01 pm

    No gauging my eyes out instead

  7. 18 ChristiMtl
    September 7, 2011 at 8:02 pm

    Hahaha night of the living dead!

    I’m watching …..

  8. September 7, 2011 at 8:02 pm

    Nope, I’m watching the Phillies play – infinitely more interesting that the GOPers.

  9. 20 daisydem
    September 7, 2011 at 8:03 pm

    I like Paul Begala’s comment I read in an article today, that he was going to pop some popcorn and crack open a Shiner Bock because tonight’s debate will be worth paying your cable bill for. lol Me – there is not enough Shiner Bock or better yet chardonnay, my drink of choice, to get me to watch it.

  10. September 7, 2011 at 8:03 pm

    Yes, lamh34, I know some good souls will watch and report and I’m enormously grateful to them and I’ll follow the live blog — they’re so much more fun. I laugh out loud at some of the comments.

    • 22 daisydem
      September 7, 2011 at 8:05 pm

      I agree Joan, and I will wait for the “recaps” and the reporting of the ludicrous faux pas manana. Because you know there will be some!

  11. September 7, 2011 at 8:06 pm

    Not I!!! The media is going crazy about the loonies…give me a break!

  12. 24 lamh34
    September 7, 2011 at 8:07 pm

    ok, so how many times will be hear St Ronnie’s name:

    ok, let’s see, 60 minutes in 1 hour each question will prob take bout 5 min to get out…so that’s about what 5-10 questions…multiplied times the number of candidates…divided by house long it takes Mittens to look up from his notes…rounded to the number of time Ricky P says “yee-haw…we do it big in TExas ya’ll” added to whatever crazy that will be spouted by Ronny P and Lil Michelley B. factor in little characters and Newts usually long answers and we should hear Ronaldus Magmus” name about…

    2 Bajillions times to infiinty.

  13. September 7, 2011 at 8:08 pm

    Is it just my live feed, or does Rick Perry actually have no neck?

    • 26 proudmemberofglobalzero
      September 7, 2011 at 8:12 pm

      Naw…it is just red….yee haw!!! I can say that because…I am from Texas but now live in Florida. Texas really has some great people. They are NOT all fat and do nothing but drink beer. Well, I love beer but I am not fat..not yet anyway.

      Keep blogging…I cannot watch

    • 27 Sue in Minnesota
      September 7, 2011 at 8:59 pm

      He really needs to stick to head shots, it’s down hill fast from the neck down!

    • 28 chiara
      September 7, 2011 at 11:34 pm

      I think it’s just that he is partial to these very large high starched collars on his shirts. I think he believes it’s very “dapper”.

  14. 29 Ladyhawke
    September 7, 2011 at 8:08 pm


    GOP Reagan Library Debate Live-Blog


  15. 30 utaustinliberal
    September 7, 2011 at 8:08 pm

    Hahaha. This is why I said earlier that Halo and Jovie should stop listening to the lies of Bloomberg News, WSJ, NYT, and Jessica Yellin of CNN and then indulging in unncessary handwringing and anxiety ridden ultimatums hurled at PBO. All these sources were reporting yesterday that PBO would unveil a $300 billion jobs plan. Now Jessica Yellin on CNN just told Anderson Cooper that her “sources” are now telling her that PBO will unveil a $400 billion jobs plan and that what they reported the money will be spent on yesterday, isn’t actually what the money will be spent on. Schizophrenic media much? 🙄

    • 31 ChristiMtl
      September 7, 2011 at 8:10 pm

      Ahhhhh Ut, thanks for the info!

    • 32 hopefruit2
      September 7, 2011 at 8:10 pm


      Thank you utaustin.

      Meanwhile Romney and Perry have just wasted 5 minutes going back and forth at each other while saying nothing substantive of how they will create jobs and grow the economy.

      • 33 Me4obama
        September 7, 2011 at 8:13 pm

        Popcorn please??? Thanks UT ,and hopefruit2 let them eat each other. Obama 2012

      • September 7, 2011 at 8:44 pm

        ooooooooooo!!!! wish I had the stomach to watch that, but I just got in and am about to each. don’t want to upchuck the first thing I’ve eaten in almost 9 hours. 😕

        • 35 Mel
          September 8, 2011 at 12:01 am

          My wife and I are watching a horror movie more funb but, but the MSM would wants to believe that ane
          of those fuckers can beat our resident,and I can Garanteed that after to night evry single Latino will vote\for PBO
          So tomorrow let’s evrybody watch PBO as I undertand WI NBC will to telivised PBO instead they will be showing
          the game so people in WI should watch it on C-SPAN.

    • 36 anniebella
      September 8, 2011 at 4:30 am

      utaustinliberal, see how the media is. They are full of alot of B.S.

  16. 37 lamh34
    September 7, 2011 at 8:10 pm

    Wow so Perry came out of the gate with a bitchslap across Mittens face I hear, excuse my language ladies…lol

  17. 39 utaustinliberal
    September 7, 2011 at 8:11 pm

    Hahaha. Oh the gloves are off now! Perry and Romney are going back and forth with each other about their jobs records. Perry said that Dukakis created jobs faster than Romney did and Romney lobbed back with “well Bush created jobs faster than you did.”

  18. 43 Dr. Sisco
    September 7, 2011 at 8:12 pm

    Too much hate, outright lies and The Hermenator?! No way.

  19. 44 Ladyhawke
    September 7, 2011 at 8:13 pm

    Wow, that didn’t take long……

    8:11: Perry hits Romney’s record of job creation in Massachusetts by making the dubious claim that “we created more jobs in the last three months in Texas” than Romney created in his entire tenure.

  20. 45 utaustinliberal
    September 7, 2011 at 8:13 pm

    Perry was asked about his phantom job creation in TX and how it was all minimum wage jobs and Perry lied and said 95% of the jobs were higher than minimum wage. No rebuttal of those lies from John Harris and Brian Williams.

  21. 48 mmmk
    September 7, 2011 at 8:14 pm

    not me, but i will read about it tomorrow.

  22. 49 utaustinliberal
    September 7, 2011 at 8:15 pm

    Now Michele Bachmann is lying saying that the CBO said that Obama Care is killing jobs. And that about 45% of black youths and 36% of Hispanic youths are unemployed because of Obamacare.

  23. 52 Ladyhawke
    September 7, 2011 at 8:17 pm


    8:15: Huntsman on Romney’s job record: “To my good friend Mitt, 47th just ain’t going to cut it my friend.”

  24. 53 utaustinliberal
    September 7, 2011 at 8:17 pm

    Huntsman attacked Romney saying Romney doesn’t understand how to smooth the relationship between China and the U.S. and that when he was governor of Utah his state was number one in job creation and Romney’s was 47th. Then he said “Romney my friend; 47th just doesn’t cut it.” Romney couldn’t respond.

  25. 55 lamh34
    September 7, 2011 at 8:18 pm

    I do love me some twitter

    “I feel like Mitt and Rick are in their own version of the Highlander and there can only be one Republican Ken Doll for President. #GOPdebate”

  26. 56 lamh34
    September 7, 2011 at 8:20 pm

    Whoa, OT, but this is about MSNBC so, as much as I can’t stand her reporting, I wish her well in her coming health struggles:

    NBC News’ Andrea Mitchell Reveals She Has Breast Cancer (Video)

  27. 58 utaustinliberal
    September 7, 2011 at 8:22 pm

    Oh wow Gingrich wrote the foreword in Perry’s book called “Fed Up” and he praised Perry and said Perry was uniquely qualified to deal with the problems ailing this nation. Now he’s lambasting Perry and saying that his policies are radical.

    Gingrich said that President Obama insults the GOP candidates by not coming to the Reagan Library to watch their debate and that he insults them by not asking them for advice on how to solve the economy. WTF?

    Now Romney said on day one of his Presidency he will tell his HHS to put an executive order giving a waver to all 50 states to opt out of ObamaCare. He’s an idiot because he can’t do that. Now he’s trying to say his universal healthcare plan isn’t the same as ObamaCare.

    • 59 Me4obama
      September 7, 2011 at 8:24 pm

      Bwahahahahahahahahahah newt is an idiot

    • 60 Olivia
      September 7, 2011 at 9:35 pm

      I thought the same f-ing thing!!! If I am not mistaken, this is a Republican candidate debate…. So, PBO doesn’t have to go anywhere to talk to them, let alone consult with them on anything! And the President issues Executive Orders; not members of the Cabinet. YOU FUCKING MORONS!!!

  28. 61 utaustinliberal
    September 7, 2011 at 8:24 pm

    Perry was asked why TX is the last in healthcare coverage and insurance. He dodged the question by saying that Texans don’t want Romney’s universal healthcare, they’d rather opt out of Federal money for healthcare and they want to get the govt of their business. And oh yes, he would repeal ObamaCare also.

  29. 62 lamh34
    September 7, 2011 at 8:24 pm

    btw guys, Tweety is on twitter you can practically hear the excessive saliva he seems to always have in his mouth.

  30. 64 nospin
    September 7, 2011 at 8:25 pm

    I am. Think it is worth the view to see what’s going on.

    Currently is a bash Obama on questions about jobs and healthcare. No solid ideas on solutions at this time.

    Romney – Ban Obamacare from all 50 states
    Bachman – REPEAL Obamacare because it is a JOB KILLING machine
    Perry – Texas doesnt want a healthcare plan like Romney. Medicaid need to block granted back to the States – Federal govt needs to get out of our business in the States. Can guarantee that Obamacare will be wiped out. States can get bigger and better health insurance.

    Question to Perry – Why are so many people in Texas uninsured. Per Perry – it is the Federal Govt’s fault. Federal govt need to get out of the way and it was because of the Federal govt why Texas can’t insure folks.

    Huntsman – REPEAL OBAMACARE!!!!!

    • 65 nospin
      September 7, 2011 at 8:28 pm

      sorry watching tv and trying to type – regarding Medicaid – block Fed laws and grant States the rights to manage.

  31. 66 lamh34
    September 7, 2011 at 8:26 pm

    is it me or my tv or does Huntsman look like he went overboard on the self-tanner?

  32. 70 utaustinliberal
    September 7, 2011 at 8:28 pm

    Hunstman said that the mandate requiring ppl to buy health insurance that Romney and PBO put in place is bad bad bad. He passed health care reform in Utah without individual mandate and he covered more ppl than Romney. And oh yes, he will repeal ObamaCare too.

    Bachmann said as President she won’t rest until she repeals ObamaCare. She’ll get senators to stand with her and repeal it. She introduced the first repeal Obamacare in congress and she also said that if Obamacare isn’t repealed in 2012, then we’ll have socialized medicine.

  33. 73 utaustinliberal
    September 7, 2011 at 8:29 pm

    Gingrich is lambasting John Harris the Politico moderator and saying that Harris wants the GOP to look stupid, fight each other, and tear each other to pieces so that PBO can look good. He said that all of them on the stage are committed to defeating to PBO.

    • 74 Me4obama
      September 7, 2011 at 8:32 pm

      Bwahahahahahahahana newt the bastard.

    • 75 lamh34
      September 7, 2011 at 8:34 pm

      shorter Newt: how dare you to answer questions about my GOP colleagues records. what do you think this is a GOP debate?

      btw, didn’t Newt complain about the moderators at the FOXNews debate too????

    • 76 anniebella
      September 8, 2011 at 4:25 am

      Newt, you should know better, no one can make you look stupid if you’re not stupid. The fact is you guys made yourself look stupid. Because you are.

  34. 77 utaustinliberal
    September 7, 2011 at 8:32 pm

    Santroum said to help the poor he will get rid of the welfare and benefits programs for poor people and transition them to something else so we can get rid of the dependency.

  35. September 7, 2011 at 8:33 pm

    Not watching. I have a sinus headache. Waiting for medicine to kick in. My head would explode if I watched 5 seconds of it.

  36. 83 lamh34
    September 7, 2011 at 8:37 pm

    wait are they really asking GOP about poverty in black and brown communities…um unless it’s being used to bludgeon POTUS over the head with it, these people could care less…especially Herman Cain!

  37. 84 carolyn
    September 7, 2011 at 8:37 pm

    Not watching. Just walked the dogs…..far, far better…..but love the comments of those hardy souls who watch!

  38. September 7, 2011 at 8:37 pm

    Perry called white people “Anglos” – wtf?!

  39. 88 nospin
    September 7, 2011 at 8:37 pm

    Per Gingrich if Obama cared about the people President Obama would walk in on Thursday and and request that they repeal ObamaCare because is a disaster.

    Gingrich hopes all his friends on the stage repudiates every effort of the news media to get the Repubs to fight against each other to protect Barack Obama because no matter who is the nominee the goal is to defeat Barack Obama.

    bottom line – has no ideas and it shows.

  40. 89 hopefruit2
    September 7, 2011 at 8:40 pm

    Ron Paul says he will get gas at 10 cents per gallon.

  41. 92 Ladyhawke
    September 7, 2011 at 8:40 pm

    Romney v Perry

    You are the career politician. No you are the career politician. You are the career politician. No you are the career politician.

  42. 94 nospin
    September 7, 2011 at 8:40 pm

    why does Rick Santorum refer to himself in the third person?

    There is no one in the Senate who cares more for the poor than Rick Santorum. He was the author of hte welfare reform act and because of that he brought Black poverty to it’s lowest level ever in 2001.

  43. 96 Ladyhawke
    September 7, 2011 at 8:42 pm

    From Think Progress….

    8:35: Just a reminder, if Republicans get their way and repeal the Affordable Care Act they would: increase the deficit by $230 billion over 10 years, raise the number of uninsured by 32 million, eliminate subsidies, and force millions of American families to pay higher premiums, and increase premiums for employer-based coverage.

  44. 97 nospin
    September 7, 2011 at 8:42 pm

    Perry – best thing for poor folks is to get jobs.

    it is the best thing for black, hispanic and anglo.

  45. 102 lamh34
    September 7, 2011 at 8:44 pm

    btw, dont’ wanna hear another word about how Huntsman is the “reasonable” one. Summa-bitch is the first to use a freakin’ teleprompter joke!

    Fuck him.

  46. 104 Ladyhawke
    September 7, 2011 at 8:45 pm

    Think Progress…………

    8:38: Ron Paul “absolutely” supports getting rid of the minimum wage and makes the outrageous claim that it would actually help the poor.

  47. September 7, 2011 at 8:45 pm

    Nope, I thnk I”ll pass. I don’t have the stomach to watch two walking, talking hairdos, and a bunch of also rans say a lot of dumb $h!+.

  48. 106 nospin
    September 7, 2011 at 8:45 pm

    Bachmann – the day Obama took office, gas was $1.79 a gallon

    • 107 JoJothecat
      September 7, 2011 at 8:51 pm

      What world is she in…..nutcase. Some one said in another diary that we should not call names. But when you make up things that are pure lies, what can these people be other than crazy?

    • September 7, 2011 at 9:08 pm

      the day Obama took office, she was 5′ 10”, 36- 24- 36, blue eyed and blond with a not gay husband who looked like more like Fabio circa 1985 on my aunt’s romance novel than Mr. Snuffleupagus circa 1971 on sesame street.

  49. September 7, 2011 at 8:46 pm

    Okay you know it’s a boring debate when you close your twitter client because the tweets about the debate were, well, boring.

  50. 110 nospin
    September 7, 2011 at 8:46 pm

    Huntsman – PO needs to walk out from behind the teleprompter and give them his ideas.

  51. 120 Ladyhawke
    September 7, 2011 at 8:47 pm

    Think Progress…

    8:40: Paul is the first candidate to directly attack the existence of Medicare. 40 minutes into the debate and still no questions to Rick Perry on why he thinks Medicare (or Social Security) is unconstitutional.

  52. 121 Ladyhawke
    September 7, 2011 at 8:51 pm

    Interesting tidbit from TP:

    8:47: The same Republican official in charge of the debate venue, the Reagan Library, happens to be the owner of Politico, one of outlets hosting the debate tonight. Frederick Ryan Jr., an executive at Albritton Media and chief executive of Politico, is also the president of the Reagan Presidential Foundation, the nonprofit responsible for the Gipper’s archive in Semi Valley.

  53. 122 nospin
    September 7, 2011 at 8:53 pm

    am I the only one that feels uncomfortable when the cameras hone in on Nancy Reagan?

    Sees like they are “pimping” (for lack of a better term) an old lady who no longer has total control of her mental faculties.

    • September 7, 2011 at 8:55 pm

      I’m not looking at them, I have a hard enough time listening to them, let alone seeing their mugs too. The whole Reagan crap bugs me anyway.

      I guess these questioners don’t challenge the debators?? Just ask a question, answer and move on? I’m betting when POTUS debates they’ll challenge every answer he gives.

    • September 7, 2011 at 8:57 pm

      I do not like that either. They would not do this to my mother. Party or no party. These people are sick cookies.

  54. September 7, 2011 at 8:53 pm

    May I just say I really hate these guys. Thats all. I just put in my first concrete porch all by myself- and I enjoyed it a LOT more than listening to these cretins.

  55. 127 JoJothecat
    September 7, 2011 at 8:53 pm

    No solutions. Use the Chilian model? Is that all Herman Cain McCann knows.

    • 128 Obama Grandmama
      September 8, 2011 at 3:01 am

      I remember reading something about the Chilean model not being correctly represented by Herman Cain after an earleir debate but cannot remember the particulars. Anyone know anything about that?

  56. 129 desertflower
    September 7, 2011 at 8:55 pm

    I want to hear about the Gardisil….and Perry’s connection to Merck!!!

  57. 130 lamh34
    September 7, 2011 at 8:56 pm

    Well damn look at Michael Steele trying to stand up for his “real” peeps on twitter

    @Michael Steele
    “the job disparity for blacks and hispanics deserves more than a passing question to one candidate #gopdebate”

    • 131 jacquelineoboomer
      September 7, 2011 at 9:03 pm

      Must be an impostor.

      • September 7, 2011 at 9:15 pm

        THIS!!! ……… or, well, Steele may still be operating under the illusion that repugs care about poor folk, black folk, brown folk or any other folk who ain’t rich, white and anglo saxon….. well, maybe catholic too.

    • 134 anniebella
      September 7, 2011 at 9:17 pm

      Then why don’t Michael Steele stand up to his party leaders and ask them the questions about job disparity for blacks and hispanics.

    • 135 FiredUpInCA
      September 7, 2011 at 10:00 pm

      Pretty ironic to hear Michael Steele talking about employment of black people, when it was the GOP put him out of work after the party won the House during his term as chairman. I am trying to figure out what about the GOP appeals to this man? They are not fiscally conservative so that can’t be it.

  58. 136 JoJothecat
    September 7, 2011 at 8:56 pm

    The humidity is bad to today in California. Michele was not prepared for the humidity today….she needs some Frizz.

  59. 137 carolyn
    September 7, 2011 at 8:56 pm

    If I remember correctly…GWB never learned how to use a teleprompter. He had those big notebooks with about 20 words per page and turned pages constantly…never looked up, never knew what he was saying. I swear, he never read the speeches before he stood up to give them! All other presidents since those wonderful devices were invented have used them. Look at old tapes of Ike…a very primitive one, but he used one.

  60. 138 lamh34
    September 7, 2011 at 8:58 pm

    umm is Michelle Bachmann even in this thing or is Perry/Romney/Paul sucking all her air out?

  61. September 7, 2011 at 8:58 pm

    good grief Guardesil is an issue for republicans?? Fuck you Rick Santorum.. you will never get a chance to debate President Obama , stick to Perry.

    • 140 desertflower
      September 7, 2011 at 9:06 pm

      Guardisil is in the debate because Perry MANDATED through EXECUTIVE ORDER, that every young girl in Texas get vaccinated! Because he had MERCK buddy that was getting some big $$$$ from all the meds they needed to vaccinate all those girls! Small govt. MY DYING ASS!

      • 141 Sue in Minnesota
        September 7, 2011 at 9:30 pm

        Gardasil, an inferior drug with known adverse effects including convulsions, coma, and death. His former Chief of Staff was a lobbyist for Merck, the drugs manufacturer. The executive order was unconstitutional by Texas State law. For starters.

  62. 142 utaustinliberal
    September 7, 2011 at 8:59 pm

    Wow so Huntsman castigates PBO for using a teleprompter and Perry accused Paul of writing a letter to Reagan saying he was going to leave the GOP bc of Reagan. It was hilarious to see Paul backtracking from the letter. Paul then accused Perry for writing a letter to Hillary supporting Hillary care and Perry backtracked saying he was writing to Hillary to stop her from implementing Hillary care.

    Now they’re all attacking Perry for the executive order he passed forcing all 13 year old girls to take Gardasil the HPV vaccine. Luckily the legislature vetoed the executive order.

  63. 144 Ladyhawke
    September 7, 2011 at 9:00 pm


    8:55: Bachmann: I “cut my teeth in politics” on education reform. Incidentally, she wants to abolish the Education Department.

  64. 147 JoJothecat
    September 7, 2011 at 9:00 pm

    Sean Hannity suddenly thinks teleprompters are bad because the President can use them with ease. The President is a brilliant man. He really does not need it but all Presidents have used them. Like so many things, one more thing to condemn the president about.

  65. 150 nospin
    September 7, 2011 at 9:00 pm

    Perry – social security is a PONZI scheme
    Herman Cain – follow the Chilean model for social security.

  66. September 7, 2011 at 9:00 pm

    okay from gardesil to Homeland Security to TSA… what do they not hate. What a chaotic mess our country would be all over again with these fools in charge.

  67. 152 jacquelineoboomer
    September 7, 2011 at 9:01 pm

    Love the tweets you’re posting, Chips!

    Although this debate is hysterical, goodness – these people are actually running for President.

    • September 7, 2011 at 9:03 pm

      they’re very stupid people and that is amazing- that they can be in this position.

    • 154 Ladyhawke
      September 7, 2011 at 9:07 pm

      I feel like we are watching the implosion of the Republican Party. These candidates are just so pathetic. It is hard to imagine that this is the best the GOP could come up with to run for president.

  68. 155 JoJothecat
    September 7, 2011 at 9:01 pm

    They never say how to fix anything!

  69. 157 desertflower
    September 7, 2011 at 9:02 pm

    Why is everyone asking Ron Paul a million questions? The guy doesn’t have a snowballs chance….really???

  70. September 7, 2011 at 9:02 pm

    Yeah those soldiers have it really gooood in Afghanistan andd Iraq.. what an idiot. And no one challenges this BS.

    • 159 JoJothecat
      September 7, 2011 at 9:06 pm

      Cut off the air conditioning to the soldiers and they’ll want to come home? RP talks like they’re on vacation and really really want to be in Irag and Afghanistan living in 120 degree weather and blowing winds and sand, people trying to kill them. Ron Paul is an idiot.

  71. 160 JoJothecat
    September 7, 2011 at 9:03 pm

    Fema works fine when a Democrat is President…..not so much when a Republican is president.

  72. 161 Ladyhawke
    September 7, 2011 at 9:03 pm

    They are only hitting a few of the questions on the GOP DEBATE WATCH SCORECARD


  73. September 7, 2011 at 9:04 pm

    So, which hairdo said the dumbest $h!+?

  74. September 7, 2011 at 9:05 pm

    They’re gonna get America back on it’s feet… by getting rid of Soc Sec, Homeland Security, TSA, Dept of Education, Medicare, … and guardesil.

    Golly they’ve sure sold me.

  75. September 7, 2011 at 9:06 pm

    What a trainwreck. There’s nothing inspiring, intelligent, or informative about this “debate.” The longer it goes, the worse they do.

  76. 167 JoJothecat
    September 7, 2011 at 9:07 pm

    Charter schools in Inglewood, CA was found to be cheating.

    • 168 JoJothecat
      September 7, 2011 at 9:08 pm

      Cheating on test scores. Also, my neighbor told me her friend works at a charter school and had not gotten paid in months. She said the school was so mismanaged.

  77. 171 lamh34
    September 7, 2011 at 9:07 pm

    the early news was perry was leading, but in the last 15 min across the “liberal” media spectrum, Romney is coming out ahead just by not rising to the steam that is Perry et al.

    I’ve seen more than one journo say that Romney is a “long distance runner” Perry is a sprinter who’s losing steam.

    Since so many of the conventional GOP don’t like Perry, I expect establishment press to declare Romney the victor by default.

    Tea partier will love Perry. I think Bachann will probably be out after first primary or maybe before if Perry doesn’t deflate.

    • 172 nospin
      September 7, 2011 at 9:12 pm

      Romney is the only one that is somewhat sane. Short on ideas though. Very short.

      Perry won’t be able to pass muster. Not with his record. But he does stand by his comments though.

    • September 7, 2011 at 9:31 pm

      cue the harps and curlicews. ‘romney is a long distance runner,” is the offical signal that the media is now totally, absolutely, irrevocably inlove with Mittens.

  78. 174 nospin
    September 7, 2011 at 9:07 pm

    Perry hit on his record – Moderater asked R. Paul about his ad on Perry pushing for bail out money, supporting welfare for illegal immigrant and forcing 12 year old girls to get vaccinated for HPV for sexually transmitted diseases. HPV put into place simply by Perry passing the law by issuing an executive order.

    Paul put Perry’s business on the street and slammed him by bypassing process and misusing the Executive order.

    Perry’s response – there was an opt out on the HPV law and by the way, I hate Cancer too. It is because of the concern about cancer why I passed HPV law.

  79. September 7, 2011 at 9:09 pm

    Rick Perry is a nasty person.

  80. September 7, 2011 at 9:10 pm

    Ohh they like Perry calling POTUS a liar. Nice, classy crowd.

  81. 177 utaustinliberal
    September 7, 2011 at 9:11 pm

    Wow so Perry just lied about PBO by saying that PBO said that the El Paso border is the safest border in America. He said PBO is an abject liar.

    Romney wants a fence around the border and technology to fix immigration.

    • September 7, 2011 at 9:21 pm

      Yeah I just read on twitter that border patrol has gone up 14% since 2008.

    • September 7, 2011 at 9:35 pm

      we also need a a moat, drawbridge and some alligators in the moat……. can never be too careful.

    • 180 Obama Grandmama
      September 8, 2011 at 3:10 am

      I remember reading earlier that PBO has invested more in border security and sent more guards there than ever in history. I cannot remember if it was doubled or how many more but it was impressive when I read it. I hope fact check tells about the discrepancies. I know R Perry was throwing lots of increasing by 50% type statements out there about graduations and pollution cleanup that didn’t make sense when I had read they were 50th and 47th in those areas.

  82. 181 JoJothecat
    September 7, 2011 at 9:12 pm

    Learn texas american history or real american history.

  83. 182 Ladyhawke
    September 7, 2011 at 9:14 pm

    How is it possible that he does not know this?

    Think Progress….

    9:09: Rick Perry calls for unmanned drones to patrol the border. After ten years as governor of a border state, he still doesn’t know that we’re already using these drones for border patrol.

  84. 183 utaustinliberal
    September 7, 2011 at 9:14 pm

    Ron Paul wants to get rid of FEMA because FEMA makes people lazy and makes them build houses in unsafe places so if we got rid of FEMA, people would build better houses. WTF?

    • 184 JoJothecat
      September 7, 2011 at 9:17 pm

      Yeah, no one would build houses in vermont, new jersey, pennsylvania, etc., All those people who had trees fall on their homes should not build houses next to trees.

  85. 185 JoJothecat
    September 7, 2011 at 9:14 pm

    Narco-terrist who gets guns from americans.

  86. 186 JoJothecat
    September 7, 2011 at 9:15 pm

    What the hell is she talking about….?

  87. 188 desertflower
    September 7, 2011 at 9:16 pm

    Immigration reform….Perry…NOW thinks that FEDeral govt needs to get involved..I thought that they should STAY out of state business!!!! make up your mind! Oh god…I’m getting sick listening to immigration and Predator drones, fences etc…Obama has been terrible and must be crazy Perry says if he thinks things are better on the border. English needs to be OFFICIAL LANGUAGE (Gingrich) OMG.
    Santorum…need rules for immigrants.Wants to secure border first (fence) HA! 30 ft fence…35 ft ladder! (me)
    Bachamann…she is just plain fucking nuts.Taxpayer subsidized benefits go to illegal immigrants (liar) This woman is FUCKED UP! I can’t even keep up with her lies and racist thoughts.

  88. 189 nospin
    September 7, 2011 at 9:16 pm

    Huntsman – “Homeland Security department is not American.”

    stick a fork in him – he is D-U-N

  89. 191 utaustinliberal
    September 7, 2011 at 9:17 pm

    Gingrich wants to make English the official language of the U.S. because you know; immigrants can’t speak english. 🙄

    Bachmann wants to go back to the immigration laws of the 50s where an immigrant had to have money before they were allowed to come into the country, have no diseases, promise to learn english, and don’t ever be a burden to the public.

  90. 196 Obama Grandmama
    September 7, 2011 at 9:17 pm

    First off I do not ever remember the moderators challenging the candidates after they answer the questions. I do remember other candidates challenging their answers as well as fact checking organizations doing it the following day. The problem with having the watchers follow up with finding the fact checks of the debate is unrealistic as not many will do it.
    I am surprised at how poorly Mitt is doing in his speaking as he is stuttering a lot in his answers.

    • 197 nospin
      September 7, 2011 at 9:20 pm

      Obama Grandmama – Tonight is a good night for Mitt. Outside of Perry who is self imploding based on his record – he is the only viable candidate.

  91. September 7, 2011 at 9:18 pm

    Huntsman is slimy.. wouldn’t trust him to run my car, let alone my govt.. I’m reading on twitter that he’s the sane one. Big deal~sanity can have it’s limitations too 😉

  92. 200 utaustinliberal
    September 7, 2011 at 9:18 pm

    Ron Paul says immigrants shouldn’t have access to healthcare and education and they shouldn’t have an easy path to citizenship. What the heck is he smoking?

  93. 201 lamh34
    September 7, 2011 at 9:19 pm

    OMG, are we there yet???

    Mommy how long is this thing going to go on? #GOPDEBATE

  94. 202 Ladyhawke
    September 7, 2011 at 9:19 pm


    9:17: Bachmann complains that immigrants don’t know American history, despite her own frequent flubs of the subject.

  95. 204 Ladyhawke
    September 7, 2011 at 9:21 pm

    TP Interesting…

    9:20: Via Ben Smith — Romney adviser Stuart Stevens emails: “He has lost. No federal candidate has ever won on the Perry program to kill Social Security. Never has. never will.”

  96. 205 lamh34
    September 7, 2011 at 9:23 pm

    Truer words have never been spoken on twitter:

    Every time I see Brian Williams, I think about how much I miss Peter Jennings…

  97. 207 ChristiMtl
    September 7, 2011 at 9:23 pm

    Why is Newt Gingrich there anyway? I thought he was out a while ago……..Does he ever look like Fat Bastard in Austin Powers.


    What a bunch of pathetic liars.

  98. September 7, 2011 at 9:23 pm

    Ben at Politico retweets a comment from Perry that PBO is “abject liar” and just leaves it hanging. Jon Alter tweets same thing calls Perry’s comments wrong and offensive. See the difference.

    Politico on the other hand treats it as fact.

  99. 211 Ladyhawke
    September 7, 2011 at 9:24 pm

    TP Points to Chart on Perry Social Security Ponzi Scheme

    8:54: Doubling down on Ponzi scheme language, Perry says: “Maybe its time to have some provocative language in this country.” Social Security vs. ponzi scheme in one chart:

    Social Security vs. Ponzi schemes in one Venn diagram


  100. September 7, 2011 at 9:25 pm

    Republicans should never agree to a debate longer than 30 minutes. Any discussion with them quickly degenerates into nonsensical ramblings.

    • 213 jacquelineoboomer
      September 7, 2011 at 11:32 pm

      Yes, but keep in mind their followers would say you are being elitist for being able to put two coherent sentences together.

  101. 214 busbus
    September 7, 2011 at 9:25 pm

    I’m watching the debate. However, to me, it’s more of a love fest and Obama bashing event. It’s enough to turn your stomach. Nothing substantial being said.

    What a waste!!!!!!

  102. 215 anniebella
    September 7, 2011 at 9:26 pm

    After three or four more of these folks debating, the American people will be calling the White House saying President Obama please, please, please, stay. We don’t need any election in 2012 for President. We realize we have a darn good President right now. After what we witness on that stage, it scared us straight. We’re sticking with you President Obama, the right choice, the only choice.

  103. 217 utaustinliberal
    September 7, 2011 at 9:26 pm

    Huntsman said he would never sign any pledges. The only pledge he takes is to his wife and pledging allegiance to his country.

  104. September 7, 2011 at 9:27 pm

    We’ve lost our confidence? Thanks Romney, I was just starting to feel good about my country again after 8 years of your pal GW.

  105. September 7, 2011 at 9:28 pm

    Romney sounds like McCain when he talks about President Obama.. same arrogant stupidity.

  106. 221 utaustinliberal
    September 7, 2011 at 9:29 pm

    These people are all jokers and idiots. No one has talked about their plan to create jobs and now Romney is castigating PBO’s jobs speech when PBO hasnt given his speech yet. Now Romney is saying that we elected a President who never ran a company and is flailing and flopping and now Romney says we need a President who loves America. WTF? So PBO doesn’t love America?

    • 222 Ladyhawke
      September 7, 2011 at 9:36 pm

      Meanwhile, President Obama headed an organization that got him elected president.

      The Romney comment about needing a president who loves America is just tasteless and repulsive. This is beyond disgusting.

    • 224 anniebella
      September 7, 2011 at 9:42 pm

      Every single one of them on that stage tonight are sick bastards.

    • 225 Obama Grandmama
      September 7, 2011 at 9:46 pm

      I caught that unAmerican, poor nice person that has to use a teleprompter because everything is just beyond him air of superiority in Mitt’s speech.

    • September 7, 2011 at 9:48 pm

      didn’t he make millions by destroying people’s lives and scrapping their jobs? yeah……… that’s who I want in charge of our economy. He’ll be booting people out of Alaska and NY and selling the states off to the Chinese if he ever became president.

  107. 227 desertflower
    September 7, 2011 at 9:29 pm

    TIp of hat to PBO for killing Bin Ladin….Perry

    • 228 jacquelineoboomer
      September 7, 2011 at 11:30 pm

      And he gave props to the Navy Seals. Only he said something that sounded like “propes.” Bushisms, Perryisms. Whatever.

  108. 229 Ladyhawke
    September 7, 2011 at 9:31 pm

    This debate is taking us full speed down the rabbit hole. It is horrifying to think that any one of these clowns is actually running to be the leader of the free world. It’s just astonishing.

  109. 231 halo
    September 7, 2011 at 9:31 pm

    This is the saddest bunch of idiots I’ve ever seen.

  110. 232 desertflower
    September 7, 2011 at 9:32 pm

    Clear exit strategy from wars is needed….ya think! Ask Bush if he had that! Bachmann is going crazy again…why would anyone give her classified info

  111. September 7, 2011 at 9:32 pm

    Wait. They’re sitting under a giant plane? How come I just now saw that? These GOPers and their props! 🙄

    • 237 jacquelineoboomer
      September 7, 2011 at 10:03 pm

      Yes, it’s the closest any of them will get to Air Force One (even an out-of-commission AF1) in their lifetimes.

  112. 238 desertflower
    September 7, 2011 at 9:33 pm

    Bachmann…wrong for PBO to go into Libya…radical Islam …califate….

  113. 239 utaustinliberal
    September 7, 2011 at 9:34 pm

    Bachmann was asked about the fact that she was against PBO’s limited engagement in Libya and now Gaddafi is gone and if PBO had done what Bachmann wanted then Gaddafi would still be in power. She totally dodged the question and said that PBO has weakened us militarily all over the world. Are you freaking kidding me? This is the President that got OBL, that made Mubarak resign, that helped the Libyans get rid of Gaddafi, that took out the number 2 Al Quaida guy.

    Harris asked Bachmann the same question again and she said if was PBO she would never have gone into Libya. Soooo she would have left 300,000 people in Benghazi at the mercy of Gaddafi’s murderous hand.

  114. 241 Keith in C-bus, Ohio
    September 7, 2011 at 9:34 pm

    Obamabots………This debate is a 3 ring Circus. The only way the race can be close in 2012 is by the fraudelent media and corrupt Teathug Financiers. It is unfathomable to believe that any of these CLOWNS can hold up to PBO in a debate much less the General Election. The race will be close though because Amecians are ill-informed and will fall for the deceptive, distorted, tainted, and CORRUPT media. We got plenty of work to do folks. KEEP HOPE ALIVE!! Obama/Biden 2012!!

    • 242 Obama Grandmama
      September 8, 2011 at 3:20 am

      yeah! Just leaving the GOP candidates made up facts be leaves the impression they know what they are talking about.

  115. September 7, 2011 at 9:35 pm

    Oh snap. Question to Huntsman about his campaign calling the other candidates crazy cranks. 😆 😆 😆

  116. 244 utaustinliberal
    September 7, 2011 at 9:36 pm

    Now Santorum is saying that PBO dithered too long before going into Libya and Saint Ronnie would have melted Gaddafi with just a glance and a word.

  117. 247 nospin
    September 7, 2011 at 9:36 pm

    Money quote yall from Bachmann – ” Obama weakened the US militarily and with US presence globally.

    On debt ceiling requiring the committee looking at funds for Defense
    On Iran and Isreal he has weakened the US militarily

    Follow up question to Bachmann – Arab Spring – what role does the US have to promote democracy and topple dictators with respect to Libya?

    Her response – he was wrong to go into Libya because per Gates we had no vital interest. Besides, who knows who the rebels were. Listen to her complete response if you can find the clip. She showed her conspiracy theory mentality.

    She is D-U-N

  118. 248 lamh34
    September 7, 2011 at 9:36 pm

    wait, did Romney just imply that POUTS does not love America?

    oh lord

    • 249 Obama Grandmama
      September 8, 2011 at 3:25 am

      I thought Romney was implying that when I first saw it but I rewatched it and think he was implying he needs to know more than just loving America. So I think he was saying he loves America and is a nice guy but unsuited for the office as he said earlier he didn’t have the background and is flailing around with no idea of what to do. I wish someone could catch someone on the GOP side saying how their plan of saying No to everything was working and making PBO look ineffective. In reality it is the GOP that is refusing to help create any jobs and blocking everything to help the people.

  119. September 7, 2011 at 9:37 pm

    Perry is rambling. He’s a buffoon.

  120. 251 nospin
    September 7, 2011 at 9:37 pm

    Santorum lied blatantly on PO’s role on Libya.

    Fact check will slam him for that.

    He was D-U-N weeks ago.

  121. 252 desertflower
    September 7, 2011 at 9:38 pm

    Perry…scientific data not complete on global warming….Texas cleaned their OWN AIR!! Cleanest air in a long time…climate change not manmade

    • 253 nospin
      September 7, 2011 at 9:40 pm

      “Texas cleaned their OWN AIR!”

      of course he did desertflower. lol

    • September 7, 2011 at 9:56 pm

      I just heard something about this this afternoon. the Texas air is cleaner because of enforced FEDERAL standards. The guy speaking said, “this is like the rooster who thinks he makes the sun come up because he crows every morning.” I was in the car listening to NPR and only heard a bit. Perry said that they shouldn’t have to be part of the federal program because Texans like their own air just the way it is. Because of course that air just sits there; it doesn’t circulate over the rest of the country, right?

  122. 258 utaustinliberal
    September 7, 2011 at 9:38 pm

    Love how Huntsman did a Pawlenty and dodged the question of he and his campaign manager saying that the GOP candidate field was full of crazies and people who say insane things. He dodged the question and said that PBO ran a good campaign but is a failure as a leader. Hmmmm… so he knowingly went to work as Ambassador for a President who is 100% a failure? He’s such a clown. He said that he has the numbers suggesting that he will be a great President.

  123. September 7, 2011 at 9:38 pm

    Helloooooo, TODville. I’ve been out all day and am just getting in. Thanks so much for the liveblogging because, really I just can’t stomach these liars. I’d rather have a dental work.

  124. 264 nospin
    September 7, 2011 at 9:39 pm

    Asking Perry about science . . .and there it goes.

    I feel sorry for the man.

    Poor Perry – He had a no good very bad day.

    He is D-U-N

  125. 265 desertflower
    September 7, 2011 at 9:39 pm

    Bachmann….??????????? God the woman is a box of rocks……I can’t make heads or tails.

  126. 266 utaustinliberal
    September 7, 2011 at 9:40 pm

    Now Bachmann is lying about President Obama’s decision about the EPA regulations.

  127. 270 desertflower
    September 7, 2011 at 9:40 pm

    Bernanke…Newt would fire him….thinks he’s terrible….

    • 271 desertflower
      September 7, 2011 at 9:45 pm

      President can’t fire him. people cheered when Williams said that TX has the highest rate of death penalty….they are CHEERING AGAIN! WTF is wrong with these people///Brian Williams even thought it odd that they were cheering

  128. 272 lamh34
    September 7, 2011 at 9:40 pm

    funny, perry’s denying climate change just as parts of this state is burning and having full months of 100 degree weather and no rain.


    • 273 Ladyhawke
      September 7, 2011 at 9:44 pm

      TP on Perry climate change….

      9:38: Perry says the “science isn’t settled” on global warming. Scientists disagree.

      9:38: Perry compares belief in global warming to the naysayers who persecuted Galileo for saying the Earth revolved around the sun.

      9:37: Great question from John Harris to Rick Perry — which scientists do you find credible on climate change? Perry whiffs.

  129. 276 utaustinliberal
    September 7, 2011 at 9:41 pm

    Gingrich said if he was President, he would fire Bernanke because Bernanke is dangerous, has raised inflation to historic levels, deepened unemployemnt. Yadi yada yah. Gingrich is a nutjob.

  130. 278 proudmemberofglobalzero
    September 7, 2011 at 9:43 pm

    Is it almost over??? I will turn into the station after it is over

  131. 280 utaustinliberal
    September 7, 2011 at 9:43 pm

    Romney would also fire Bernanke because Bernanke “over-inflated” our currency. But Romney doesn’t think we should tax capital gains of rich people.

  132. September 7, 2011 at 9:45 pm

    Biggest applause of the night for Rick Perry’s execution record — the most in modern times. I love Brian Williams’ follow up.

  133. 282 utaustinliberal
    September 7, 2011 at 9:45 pm

    Now Williams is asking Perry about the death penalty and execution of 234 ppl in TX and the audience cheered and clapped. These people are sick freaks. The GOP is full of sick freaks.

  134. 283 Ladyhawke
    September 7, 2011 at 9:45 pm

    TP on executions….

    9:44: Audience beaks out in applause after host Brian Williams notes that Perry has executed more than 200 people on death row.

  135. 284 lamh34
    September 7, 2011 at 9:46 pm

    Perry really is a dumb jock. Bush just played one on tv.

    btw, I really hate that damn big ass ring Perry wears all the damn time. what the hell is that? a class ring, a wedding band, a promise ring from his boyfriend (allegedly)?

  136. 286 nospin
    September 7, 2011 at 9:47 pm

    asked Perry if he struggles to sleep at night with the high rate of execution rates in Texas.

    He said – No. He has no trouble sleeping at all.

  137. 288 JoJothecat
    September 7, 2011 at 9:48 pm

    The 80’s during St. Ronnie? I graduated in 1982 and we were in the same type of recession and there were no jobs for graduating seniors. I finally got a job, good government job, in 1985. When I did work, I was barely bringing enough home to pay my rent. It was not until Clinton that the economy and the middle class improved.

  138. 289 Me4obama
    September 7, 2011 at 9:48 pm

    Please tell me when it’s over. My head is hurting already Reading your comments i need to chlorox my brains.

  139. 290 desertflower
    September 7, 2011 at 9:49 pm


  140. 291 JoJothecat
    September 7, 2011 at 9:49 pm

    Woooo woo, It’s OVER!

  141. 292 a4alice
    September 7, 2011 at 9:50 pm

    watched it online. i’m officially braindead……nite folks……

  142. September 7, 2011 at 9:50 pm

    I can’t believe they sat underneath a plane for this debate.

  143. 295 GOVCHRIS1988
    September 7, 2011 at 9:50 pm

    Well, that was amazing.

  144. 296 carolyn
    September 7, 2011 at 9:50 pm

    Texas has NOT cleaned its own air! Texas has the worst air pollution and worst water contamination of all 50 states! I keep track of those things because my grandchildren live there. As my darling daughter-in-law says: “Perry is an ASS!”

  145. 298 Me4obama
    September 7, 2011 at 9:52 pm

    Thank you all for live blogging.

  146. September 7, 2011 at 9:52 pm

    Perry shrank tonight. Not quite ready for primetime. Willard will be the nominee. I can see him picking someone from this stage as a VP.

    • 300 Obama Grandmama
      September 7, 2011 at 10:04 pm

      Not sure about Mitt being the nominee as WE do not think like the majority of the GOP party as they are now T-partiers. Just notice the applause lines in the audience for Perry. The GOP elects the Republican candidate not the Dems. Could be Romney if the people are sane.

  147. 302 JoJothecat
    September 7, 2011 at 9:52 pm

    I went to the Ronald Reagan Library and it was OK. Tour airforce one. You’d be amazed how small it was. I also went to Nixon’s. A friend of mine wanted to go, so I took them other wise I would not have gone.

  148. September 7, 2011 at 9:54 pm

    Wow that was depressing, I mean they are very depressing frightened angry people. I cannot imagine America under the leadership of any one of these sad sacks.

  149. 304 hopefruit2
    September 7, 2011 at 9:54 pm

    Tweety looks angry and depressed. His guy Perry made a total assclown fool of himself with his anti-science garbage.

  150. 307 Sue in Minnesota
    September 7, 2011 at 9:56 pm

    My impression is the MSM/GOP has succeeded in making an absolute mockery of this medium. Shouldn’t these debates be conducted by higher centers of learning or policy institues? America drank the Kool Aid on the media being somehow qualified to moderate these deabtes, crap they can’t even do journalism right. Why have we empowered their dog and pony show.

    • September 7, 2011 at 10:02 pm

      you are so right Sue.

    • 309 jacquelineoboomer
      September 7, 2011 at 10:07 pm

      Great idea. But the GOPers know they have the MSM in their back pockets, so why give that up?

      • 310 Sue in Minnesota
        September 7, 2011 at 10:25 pm

        There is no substance, just talking points ad nauseum. We learn very little about the people that want to be entrusted to the highest responsibility in our land, and know nothing about their principles let alone their policies. We see people behaving stupidly, obtusely and crudely. I think the whole sorry mess was offensive.

    • 311 Uche
      September 7, 2011 at 10:41 pm

      Great point Sue. When you watch debates of this nature from across Europe,you’d weep for this country. This is just amateur theater, with complete lack of substance. A higher institute-moderated debate to argue the finer points of policy will be great to see….PBO versus anyone of them; but hey….the country is so dumbed down that an asshat, climate-denying, knuckle-dragging Neanderthal like Perry is actually the front-runner of the GOP in 2011 !!

      • 312 Obama Grandmama
        September 8, 2011 at 3:38 am

        When I was in Ireland on a trip in the spring of 2010 right when the Iceland volcano exploded stranding passengers all over the place I watched the British first ever national political debates on tv there based on our debates. Weird! Didn’t think anyone would want to copy our way!

  151. 313 utaustinliberal
    September 7, 2011 at 9:56 pm

    The winner in tonight’s debate is President Obama. The candidates didn’t provide any job creation measures, they bashed Hispanics, they didn’t understand foreing policy and their solution to provide healthcare for 40 million people is to repeal ObamaCare which covers 40 million people.

    • 314 jacquelineoboomer
      September 7, 2011 at 9:57 pm

      Yes, that is very true. I’m not sure when I’ve seen a more dismal crowd of Republicans running for President.

    • September 7, 2011 at 10:02 pm

      To paraphrase Eisenhower (who would be branded a socialist Muslim lover by today’s GOP), “with these pretenders there’s no end to the following question. How stupid can you get?”

    • 316 JoJothecat
      September 7, 2011 at 10:20 pm

      Agreed. He let them make fools of themselves after Boner made a big unecessary issue over the president’s speech. I am hoping a lot of folks watched tonight to see these nutjobs.

    • 317 Sue in Minnesota
      September 7, 2011 at 10:32 pm

      Interesting that they never discuss the social costs of an unheathy population, and not just in dollars. My impression is that Republicans consider people to be dispensible. Money first, last and everything. I really find them callous and deplorable.

      President Obama is so uplifting. These people almost seem demoralizing.

  152. 319 jacquelineoboomer
    September 7, 2011 at 9:56 pm

    Michelle Bachmann says the President has not done what he needs to do, to keep our country safe.

    Maybe somebody should ask Osama bin Laden how he feels about her latest dumb remark. Oh, that’s right, he’s six feet under (the sea).

    • 320 GOVCHRIS1988
      September 7, 2011 at 10:00 pm

      All I would say is that send her some scuba gear after her flight to the Red Sea and find out.

    • 321 Sue in Minnesota
      September 7, 2011 at 10:03 pm

      Let’s check with the fish in the sea 😉

      I think she is worries about Marcus being ‘glitter bombed’ I think she means safe from all those Muslim’s, gays and lesbians, non anglo, higher educated. atheist, feminist, pro choice, and moderate to liberal types. You know the real threat to America.

    • 322 Ladyhawke
      September 7, 2011 at 10:07 pm

      It really is infuriating that these clowns are allowed to make such outlandish comments and not be challenged. Is there some unwritten rule that the moderators are not supposed to question non answers and talking points responses?? Every one of the candidates seems to be out of touch with reality. They don’t deal with the facts, they just make stuff up.

      How does Mitt Romney retain any credibility when he makes an outlandish statement that implies President Obama does not love America?? I know he is playing to the primary crowd, but that was just tacky and not very presidential.

      • 323 EDP4BHO
        September 7, 2011 at 10:26 pm

        Romney implying PBO does not love America precisely shows their problem. I thought the debate was supposed to be between the participants, but it’s clear they are deathly afraid of the President. Note how many bailed out already. They can go up against each other very mildly because they all have a pact, and that is to destroy PBO. I refuse to watch this trash tv, will watch the speech tomorrow, and shall reserve my fragile nerves for the real debate come next year. By then, I’ll have morphed into their worst nightmare.

        • 324 Sue in Minnesota
          September 7, 2011 at 10:34 pm

          EDP4BHO……it is precisely that, trash. This group has nothing on Snooki and her gang.

          • 325 EDP4BHO
            September 7, 2011 at 10:38 pm

            LOL…..Haven’t watched Snooki either……reality tv ain’t my cup o’ tea, really.

            • 326 Sue in Minnesota
              September 8, 2011 at 5:13 am

              In all honesty neither have I…….but from the comments I have heard, and the raised eyebrows I observed…..I guess it’s trash.
              Was never one to engage much time watching TV.

  153. 327 Me4obama
    September 7, 2011 at 9:58 pm

    Did Nancy Reagan sit through all this nonsense?

  154. 332 Ladyhawke
    September 7, 2011 at 9:59 pm

    TP – questions not asked tonight.

    9:56: No questions tonight about gay rights, abortion, or influence of money in elections.

  155. 333 carolyn
    September 7, 2011 at 10:01 pm

    Me4, I wondered that same thing about Nancy Reagan. Now….aren’t we all glad that this horrible farce of a debate was BEFORE our president’s speech?

    • 334 geegee
      September 8, 2011 at 4:12 pm

      I got my shout on when I heard the news of the Boner’s latest flub. They (the repugs) are so programmed to saying no to any request made to them by PBO, they never stop to analyze the possible consequences of them saying no. They say no and “think” later; hence the request to know what would be in his speech (can’t remember the correct terminology for their request). I’d be willing to bet that PBO is laughing his head off long about now. Reminds me of the briar patch fable. 😆

  156. September 7, 2011 at 10:07 pm

    I salute you brave, brave men and women who sat through 2 hours of that crap.

  157. 342 Betsy
    September 7, 2011 at 10:08 pm

    What is with Ed? He seems to think young people would go for Rick Perry?

    • 343 jacquelineoboomer
      September 7, 2011 at 10:10 pm

      That’s what I heard. Remember all of these opinionators (except Rev. Al) have the attention span of a gnat.

    • 344 nospin
      September 7, 2011 at 10:15 pm

      Ed got a tingle for Perry and had an echo from his past life.

      and he lost his mind thinking young people would go for Perry.

    • 345 lamh34
      September 7, 2011 at 10:17 pm

      I can actually see young white voters who have been told that there weill be no money in SS or Medicare would not consider Perry’s “SS is a ponzi-scheme” stance as a big enough deal to NOT vote for him.

    • 346 Jennifer
      September 8, 2011 at 12:24 am

      Yeah, I know my 25 year old grandson was watching – not. Besides, we all raised him well. He’s the cute little guy in my avatar.

  158. 347 jacquelineoboomer
    September 7, 2011 at 10:09 pm

    I question why Ed Schultz thinks Perry won big in the debate, because he stuck to his guns about killing Social Security.

    Then I question why I’m listening to Ed Schultz.

    • September 7, 2011 at 10:11 pm

      Ed’s political analysis is always off. He has bad instincts.

    • 349 Ladyhawke
      September 7, 2011 at 10:14 pm

      Right, he questions global warming. He leads the country in executions. He is gun happy. He wants to get rid of the EPA. He wants to get rid of the Affordable Care Act. He wants to repeal Dodd-Frank. He has issues with Fed Chairman Ben Bernake.

    • September 7, 2011 at 10:18 pm

      If anybody needs any more evidence that this guy is a world class CREEP, I just don’t know.

    • September 7, 2011 at 10:18 pm

      “Then I question why I’m listening to Ed Schultz.” Another great shot jacqueline!

    • 353 lamh34
      September 7, 2011 at 10:20 pm

      I actually get what Ed Schultz was saying. This is GOP primary debate. If you want to be the GOP nominee then you need to play to the GOP crowd who actually vote in these primaries and that crowd values bull-headed stubborness above good policy or governance.

      they’ll respect Perry as a guy who “sticks to his guns” and Mittens as a flip-flopper (who also belongs to a religious cult dontcha know).

    • September 7, 2011 at 10:23 pm

      Ed’s a damn idiot, he never misses an oppurtunity to take a hit at PBO

    • September 7, 2011 at 10:23 pm

      HPV opt-out makes him unelectable as a primary candidate or the general. He’s finished. Even moreso when folks realize that it was done to benefit a major campaign fundraiser friend of Perry’s.

    • 356 Obama Grandmama
      September 8, 2011 at 3:46 am

      Ed is always yelling about how PBO should be a fighter and tough no matter whether it gets him anywhere or not. It seems like Perry is that kind of guy by his sticking to his Social Security is a Ponzi Scheme words. Ed’s kind of guy!

      Actually, I kind of agree with Ed this once on Perry, not necessarily with the young crowd but with the T-partiers. If there are enough T-partiers in the GOP to swing the election to nutcase Perry will be the nominee. Did you hear his capital punishment line and the audience response?

  159. 357 Sue in Minnesota
    September 7, 2011 at 10:14 pm

    After this debacle, I have to say I think the course of events last week were probably a brilliant strategy on the part of our White House. If Americans are impressed with this sorry group of wannabes, despite whatever script the MSM will now read from…..we are in trouble. This is almost too absurd to believe. 😦

    • 358 jacquelineoboomer
      September 7, 2011 at 10:20 pm

      Keep in mind these are some of the same people who voted W in as President, twice. That’s the biggest absurdity. We the People can’t let that type of stupidity happen again.

    • 359 Pamela
      September 7, 2011 at 11:25 pm

      I agree with this, Sue. PBO tried to give them the gift of airing his speech at the same time, which may (or may not) have drawn off some of their viewers, thereby leaving people in the dark a while longer about how narrow the vision of the group as a whole. How pathetically uneducated they are as they banter about the English language, when so few of them sound as if they have EVER learned to use English properly. By raising a fuss, last week, denying the President of the United States an open Joint Session, they got lots of press to show off this sham of a debate. Yes, PBO definitely won this round, and many people in this country, will have tonight’s idiocy to weigh against what he will say tomorrow. To those who may have been undecided, or who have been apathetic, PBO has given the gift of glaring hypocrisy within the GOP, through and through, being revealed on network television. None of them can un-say what has been said tonight. They have shown their true colors. Americans are not stupid, times are hard. People are not so easily conned anymore. Good night everyone, thank you all.

  160. September 7, 2011 at 10:14 pm

    Chips, the tweets are hilarious

  161. 361 jacquelineoboomer
    September 7, 2011 at 10:17 pm

    Ed Rollins says Michelle Bachmann gave a very solid performance tonight. Of course, he just left her team, but guess that’s beside the question.

  162. 365 utaustinliberal
    September 7, 2011 at 10:19 pm

    Yay!!!! Robert Gibbs is going to be on MSNBC in a few minutes.

  163. September 7, 2011 at 10:21 pm

    Romney wins because Perry is a damn nutter. Romney professing his love for teabaggers is a ready-made ad. If I was advising Romney I’d just have him skip all the debates because he’s a lock to win the primary.

    Perry disqualified himself when he doubled down on calling social security a ponzi scheme. He can’t run from that book – but doubling down and saying what he wrote out loud makes it much easier to attribute the words to him in ads. His HPV opt-out is a non-starter as well. Imagine President Obama bringing up that Malia is 12 years old, and how Perry wanted her to to be forced to have an HPV vaccination – and the worst part wasn’t even touched on – it was because it would benefit a major donor of Perry’s.

    Huntsman has moments when he sounds sane, but he passed on naming names and that will be seen as weaksauce. He talks about how he’s a leader – he’s a beta male if I ever seen one. You hide behind your campaign manager? Huntsman cal call the President weak but what happens to Huntsman if he won the primary and had to share the stage with President Obama? Jon would disappear. He has negative charisma. If I was a candidate, I wouldn’t want to stand beside him because he’s a charismatic black hole and sucks others down with him. Huntsman calling Homeland Security a small issue would come back to bite him if he had a snowballs chance in hell of getting the nomination.

    Huntsman should be polling much higher though – I mean he`s a former Gov just like Romney and Perry and he actually has a better record than both – by quite a wide margin actually. I hope he doesn`t manage to catch fire some how.

    Bachmann is a joke. She is a waste of time to the point if I had to eliminate one candidate for the next election I think she is the one to go as she adds the least.

    Paul sort of got a coup when he got to make his passionate plea about libertarians last before the debate was ended because “candidate reps called to end it?”. He’s too scatterbrained to be taken seriously.

    Cain is a gimmick candidate. He doesn’t make it past Iowa. He’ll make it there since his campaign is probably so damn cheap. He’s running for a Fox TV gig.

    Santorum going nowhere, but he has learned to tone down the cringe factor.

    Gingrich – can`t really remember much about him. I disagree with his politics, but I think he of all on the stage knows his stuff and can speak coherently in a policy discussion.

  164. 368 hopefruit2
    September 7, 2011 at 10:21 pm

    So, how are the Republicans going to create jobs and grow the economy?

    1. Newt – Lets all join at one breast to defeat Barack Obama
    2. Cain – 999
    3. Ron Paul – 10 cents a gallon gas
    4. Bachman – Obamacare
    5. Romney- I’m not a teapartier
    6. Hunstman – teleprompter
    7. Santorum –
    8. Perry – antiscience Ponzi scheme

  165. 372 jacquelineoboomer
    September 7, 2011 at 10:21 pm

    Wow. Just saw Ron Paul’s commercial saying Rick Perry supported Al Gore for President, but Paul supported Reagan. The Texans fight it out.

  166. September 7, 2011 at 10:22 pm

    I’d like to officially thank John Boehner for asking the President to push his speech back one day. By doing so he shined the spotlight on the mass insanity currently running for the Republican nomination. The contrast after tomorrow night is going to be so stark and so obvious that one or both of the Koch brothers may wind up voting for Obama.

    • 374 Ladyhawke
      September 7, 2011 at 10:26 pm

      Excellent point. The contrast will be overwhelming.

    • 375 Me4obama
      September 7, 2011 at 10:27 pm

      Absolutely imagine if PBO gave his speech tonight it would have been ashes now. Thank you John Boner for refusing the president’s Request to give the speech tonight.

    • 377 chiara
      September 7, 2011 at 10:29 pm

      Could not agree more. There was just too much crazy on that stage to keep track of. After I stopped laughing at some of the stuff they came up with I realized how utterly frightening it is to think of any one of those people as our President.

      • 378 Sue in Minnesota
        September 7, 2011 at 10:42 pm

        My mood want from happy to very subdued. When I consider the gravity of this, it really upsets me. I actually am offended.

    • 379 GOVCHRIS1988
      September 7, 2011 at 10:39 pm

      That was actually a blessing in disguise, wasn’t it? Wednesday-Nutsos. Thursday-Solemn competence.

    • 380 prettyfoot58
      September 7, 2011 at 10:50 pm

      Excelllllent POINT

    • 381 Bobfr
      September 7, 2011 at 11:01 pm

      Boehner, once again, was so totally set-up by the WH that any thinking person realized it the moment the WH set the whole thing in motion.

      The WH, without any question, wanted these jerks to be on full display. They wanted the President speaking with zero chance of meaningful airtime for the grand ole teabaggers because tomorrow when President Obama finishes the NFL kicks off its season.

      Not one single accident here. Not that any firebagger and otherwise clueless PL whinerooes had the capacity to get it.

      Yes.We.Can. … DO.More.Together!

      • 382 Obama Grandmama
        September 8, 2011 at 3:55 am

        My biggest problem with the Prez speech on Thursday is it is at 4pm on the West Coast and most are not home from work at that time.

  167. 383 JoJothecat
    September 7, 2011 at 10:29 pm

    Gibbs! He looks so good…so relaxed.

    • 384 chiara
      September 7, 2011 at 10:30 pm

      I would imagine he loves being back on the campaign instead of being stuck dealing the most horrible example of “journalists” the WH has seen in a very long time.

    • 385 Jennifer
      September 8, 2011 at 12:31 am

      Everyone looks younger when they leave DC. Hell, PBO’s hair may turn dark again. Hope not, if actually fits him well.

  168. September 7, 2011 at 10:32 pm

    Did you all see the the line of tweets at the top of the post? The last one read, “O is the winner of this debate.”

    Yes, indeed!

  169. 388 hopefruit2
    September 7, 2011 at 10:37 pm

    Howard Fineman must be disappointed too – he has been quiet since the debate. Haven’t heard a peep from him. His GOP assclown friends let him down? Nothing to praise Howard? Still working on the spin? I guess if it were President OBama you would be all over the teevee bashing him..like you’re gonna be tomorrow nite.

    • 389 Ladyhawke
      September 7, 2011 at 10:39 pm

      Oh dear……You mean Howard “Cheshire Cat” Fineman didn’t have any new updates from his sources on Capitol Hill??

      • 390 Sue in Minnesota
        September 7, 2011 at 10:45 pm

        I can’t stand Coward’s smug like grin. The Cabal must not have meet tonight, or maybe Coward forgot the password.

    • September 7, 2011 at 11:15 pm

      Tomorrow the sources will surface.

      • 392 hopefruit2
        September 7, 2011 at 11:59 pm

        He didn’t wait until tomorrow. He took a while to work on his spin and then he came out saying that Perry’s ludicrous claim that the President is an “abject liar” resonates with Americans.

        No Mr. Coward.you don’t get to speak for “Americans” including myself. Maybe Perry speaks for you which is not saying a whole lot about your IQ, honesty, integrity, morals, etc…

    • 393 Obama Grandmama
      September 8, 2011 at 3:57 am

      I’ve already seen news item titles saying PBO’s job speech is just more of the same nothing new. They are publishing them prior to the speech.

  170. 394 Ladyhawke
    September 7, 2011 at 10:37 pm

    Robert Gibbs is up…….

    On GOP creating jobs: If you are struggling you didn’t hear anything concrete from any of the candidates. Nobody said what they are going to do to help the middle class.

    When Rick Perry was asked why do you want to do for American what you have done for Texas. Perry did not have a good answer.

    Healthcare repeal by all of the candidates: Will be a big focus of the Obama campaign. Will be happy to have the debate on healthecare. Texas leads the nation in uninsured – approx 1/4 in his state.

    There was no leadership and no new idea from the candidates.

    Perry and Romney have no ideas on how to strengthen Social Security.

    • 395 jacquelineoboomer
      September 7, 2011 at 10:49 pm

      And now the Republican “counterpart” of Robert Gibbs – Romney senior adviser Ron Kaufman – is up at bat. He says it was a good night for Mitt. Mr. Kaufman has that deer-in-the-headlights look with the next question on Social Security.

      Here’s Rick Perry supporter, Rep. Mick Mulvaney of SC, being questioned by Tweety. He looks young and scared, but for the lone star he’s wearing on his lapel. That’ll help him fend off the tough questions. Chris is not buying what he’s saying about Social Security.

      • 396 Ladyhawke
        September 7, 2011 at 10:58 pm

        Thanks so much for the update. I made skid marks for the remote when Rachel started to introduce the Republican gasbag.

        I thought Robert Gibbs was great. It is fantastic to have him unleashed on the tv machine. He doesn’t take any guff from anybody. He is one of the best surrogates ever for PBO.

  171. 397 Ladyhawke
    September 7, 2011 at 10:43 pm


    10:20: Get the federal government out of health care. End the minimum wage. Social Security is a Ponzi scheme. Obama is a liar. Watch a ThinkProgress video compilation of the craziest moments from tonight’s debate:

    The GOP Debate’s Craziest Moments.mov

  172. 398 EDP4BHO
    September 7, 2011 at 10:45 pm

    Alright, I tuned to the after-debate, only because Rev Al was on, just turned it off when Madcow introduced Romney campaign official. Going to bed, so I can be bright for PBO tomorrow. Cheerio, TOD’s. Have a blessed night and safe tomorrow 😀

  173. 399 lamh34
    September 7, 2011 at 10:45 pm

    l like this analysis. Probably because I agree with it…lol.
    How Rick Perry Won the Debate

    Yet Perry, stylistically, ruled the roost. The media seems to consider Romney the winner. Pardon the condescension, but they’re not thinking like Republican base voters. Romney approaches every question as if he is in an actual debate, trying to provide the most intellectually compelling answer available, within the bounds of political expediency. Perry treats questions as interruptions. What scientists do you trust on climate change? I don’t want to risk the economy. Are you taking a radical position on social security? We can have reasons or we can have results. His total liberation from the constraints of reason give Perry a chance to represent the Republican id in a way Romney simply cannot match.

    In this way Perry eerily apes the style of George W. Bush, who was also mocked for his intellectually vapid debating style, but who succeeded in rallying Republicans behind him. I don’t think it’s a coincidence. I suspect the Bush-Perry debating style broadcasts a subliminal message of strong leadership. Romney feels compelled to bind himself to the parameters of the question before him. Perry ignores them. It is, in a sense, an alpha male move. I am not going to lower myself to your premise about scientists. I am going to declare my principles.

    In my view, Perry established his alpha male style, and that impression will matter more than any position or statement he’s made.

  174. September 7, 2011 at 10:48 pm

    Is there any polls to freep? I need to show my support for Rick Perry.

  175. 405 anniebella
    September 7, 2011 at 10:49 pm

    Paul Smith said it all.. A failure to vote Obama is a vote for one of these scumbags we saw tonight. Please don’t abuse your children like that. I don’t know who you are Mr. Paul Smith, but you sure told the truth. Progressives get your act together, Independents come on were you know the best man is, Democrats let’s get behind this President and vote him in for another term. If we love this country, that is what we will do. Because what was on that stage this evening ought to scare any decent American to death. The right choice, the only choice, is OBAMA/BIDEN 2012.

  176. 406 GOVCHRIS1988
    September 7, 2011 at 10:50 pm

    Ezra Klein sums the whole debate.

    “Mitt Romney looked like he had already won the Republican nomination. Rick Perry looked like he will win the Republican nomination. Michele Bachmann looked like she was beginning to realize she definitely wouldn’t win the Republican nomination.”


  177. 408 Bobfr
    September 7, 2011 at 10:54 pm

    Can you imagine the very loud laughter at the White House tonight – must have been one heck-of-a party 🙂

    Yes.We.Can. … DO.More.Together!

  178. 410 mtmarilyn
    September 7, 2011 at 10:57 pm

    I just got home from an evening meeting and have read thru all the comments. Thank you to all who actually watched all 2 hours. I cannot comprehend the torture you went thru. I could not have done it. It does scare me that one of these people could actually be President. We know that if we don’t work our hearts out it could happen. But we won’t let it. Yes We Can!

  179. 411 Me4obama
    September 7, 2011 at 10:58 pm

    Thank you Orange speaker, I can not thank you enough for the “speech Gate”

  180. September 7, 2011 at 11:03 pm

    I had no intention of watching these clowns but I was looking forward to the blog tonight. I just got home from work and missed everything. No matter how lame the questions and answers, all we will hear about tomorrow is how great these bozos are. Sickening.

    I intend to watch the President’s speech come hell or high water.

  181. 417 GOVCHRIS1988
    September 7, 2011 at 11:03 pm

    GET HIM AL!!!!!!!! GET IN HIS ASS!!!!!!!!!!!

  182. 418 jacquelineoboomer
    September 7, 2011 at 11:04 pm

    Herman Cain is back on MSNBC talking with Rev. Al, again with the Chilean model.

  183. 420 Ladyhawke
    September 7, 2011 at 11:05 pm

    Goodnight to all of my TOD kindred spirits. It’s been a real blast hanging out with you tonight.

  184. 421 GOVCHRIS1988
    September 7, 2011 at 11:08 pm

    Herman Cain’s campaign theme song.

    I say personalization, you say privatization….

  185. 423 Me4obama
    September 7, 2011 at 11:10 pm

    Good nite family, the winner tonight is Speech Gate.

  186. 424 JoJothecat
    September 7, 2011 at 11:10 pm

    Tomatoe, tomato

  187. 425 JoJothecat
    September 7, 2011 at 11:12 pm

    Good night All….Thanks Chips!

  188. 426 jacquelineoboomer
    September 7, 2011 at 11:14 pm

    Howard Notfineman is on MSNBC with Michael Steele and the other guy. Guess they’re bringing in the Republicans now.

  189. 427 Kasai
    September 7, 2011 at 11:26 pm

    LOL: This must be satire…but fun to read..and love the photo of PBO….hahahahaha

    WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report) – A jubilant President Barack Obama said that tonight’s Republican forum was “the best debate ever,” calling it “the first good news I’ve had since I nailed bin Laden.”


    • 428 Pamela
      September 7, 2011 at 11:44 pm

      Pretty sure it is satire, but well placed! I cannot imagine PBO would ever make an offhand reference to OBL, as it would be out of character for him, he is so refined. However, I can imagine our President may have thoroughly enjoyed the spectacle of idiocy, each vying for top level ldiot! And after a good laugh, PBO may actually sleep well tonight. God knows he deserves to be rested for his speech tomorrow. He will rock!

    • September 7, 2011 at 11:57 pm

      Borowitz is always satire.

  190. September 7, 2011 at 11:32 pm

    Here’s an msnbc poll to pick a debate winner. Paulites have struck, but Romney leads Perry 😦 and Huntsman is running a strong fourth (I hope that is the regular MSNBC viewers voting )


    • 431 JoJothecat
      September 8, 2011 at 10:48 am

      I just looked at the poll and Ron Paul won over 50%? This is the man who said that “fences keep people out but also keep people in” what the hell? All the comments say he made the most sense. Folks, we are in trouble.

  191. 432 Keith in C-bus, Ohio
    September 7, 2011 at 11:34 pm

    I dunno guys. I am trying to give the American people the benefit of doubt, but who and what in their right mind could vote for any of these ASSCLOWNS even as a Republican? 😯 Is there that much RACISM in our society where Rick Perry or Mitt Romeny is only trailing anywhere between a statistcal tie to down by 5pt in most polls?

    We are going to have to work our asses off to keep PBO in the whitehouse fending off these fools? ABSOLUTE INSANITY!!!!!!!!!!!!! Obama/Biden 2012!!

  192. 433 Bill R.
    September 7, 2011 at 11:39 pm

    So, if they make Perry the nominee, their platform is going to be *Abolish Soc. Security, * Cut Education, * Execute more people. That sounds like a winner.

  193. 435 jacquelineoboomer
    September 7, 2011 at 11:49 pm

    Friar Tuck Todd is on MSNBC, recapping the night. Like he knows. He thinks all that talk of killing Social Security is the most important issue discussed tonight, due to the “old folk” (which he more or less said) who vote in the primary.

  194. September 7, 2011 at 11:51 pm

    For anyone who was worried about PBO speaking after the repug debacle. This is for you:

  195. 441 gcwp1
    September 7, 2011 at 11:54 pm

    Now for some fun – either My Stephen or our youtube peers – get to work! I’ll pour a glass of whine and cathartize. At a later point, I will worry about the fact that our country tolerates this monstrosity in these supposedly enlightened times. I do not worry, however, although some of you might, that any of these people can beat Obama.

  196. 442 Xtine
    September 7, 2011 at 11:59 pm

    OH, CHIPS! Loved that “Night of the Living Dead.” LOL & made my evening because that’s exactly what I thought the whole thing was all about. Didn’t watch, enough of throwing rolled up socks @ my TeeVee. So, I’m so grateful to TODers here who can give me the quick-and-sharp of it all! 🙂

  197. September 8, 2011 at 12:03 am

    My god, what type of freak show was that? Obama will mop the floor with any of those clowns. Once it comes down to Obama vs. the GOP nominee his numbers will soar. Right now Obama isn’t campaigning while 9 GOP candidates are actively touring the nation tearing him down. Of course his numbers are going to drop. But once the American public can actually compare Obama one-on-one with Romney or Perry then they’ll see just how crazy the GOP nominee truly is. I can’t wait for Obama to be able to debate and go toe-to-toe with the GOP nominee. Obama is at his best when he’s out of Washington connecting with the American people. I love how people are already writing Obama off. We were underestimated in 2008 and we’re being underestimated right now. So be it, I’d prefer to be the “underdog.” I’d rather people believe we actually have something to FIGHT for then believe Obama’s automatically going to win. Bring on 2012!

    • 444 Keith in C-bus, Ohio
      September 8, 2011 at 12:30 am

      Freakshow is an understatement Scott. I can’t believe this is all the GOP has to offer. No wonder their clan aches for Ronald the Gipper Reaganomics. I am actually angry that this FARCE was put in the venue and atmosphere that it was. It will be agonizing to watch the MSM spin this debate into a positive for a supposed winner of this DEBACLE. I’m off to sleep. Thanks for all the accounts in this thread I could onlw watch experts of it live. It was disgusting. 😦

    • 446 Xtine
      September 8, 2011 at 12:33 am

      I don’t know who these people are who’re underestimating POTUS. Nobody I’ve talked to recently. Wish these “polls” would call my friends, neighbors, etc.! Oh, & while we’re at it, do those talking heads actually talk with and listen to We The People? Scooby-doos! Sorry Scooby! :0

    • 447 Sue in Minnesota
      September 8, 2011 at 5:48 am

      It’s 4:30AM, I couldn’t sleep …might have been a bad dream, or maybe just thoughts of the debate 😉

      I awoke thinking that the spectacle on display last night was essentially the Gong Show…unfortunately they forgot to bring the Gong.

      Today is going to be awesome…..America please pay attention. I hope the Twitter brigade will be reminding all to tune in, noting the time and place.

      Did we decide to build a bomb?…great opportunity to get the check books out, dig out your secret stash….let’s light the fuse on a Money Bomb for the President tonight.

      Good time to make proactive comments regarding stimulus effects of rebuilding our infrastructure, growing jobs, spurring new and innovative industries…..promote the positive. The debate last night was almost too ridiculous to dwell on…America needs to keep moving forward, these clowns would only succeed in driving us off a cliff.

  198. September 8, 2011 at 12:06 am

    That very (mercifully) short video clip of Santorum being asked about evolution — Chris Matthew looked deadly tired and even discouraged with what he had to work with. Santorum suffocates me with disgust, actually, so I sympathize with Chris.

    • 449 anniebella
      September 8, 2011 at 4:06 am

      I disagree with you Joan Katherine about Chris Matthews, here lately he has turn so anti-Obama, that I refuse to watch him on anything. So Joan, “F” Chris Matthews.

      • 450 hopefruit2
        September 8, 2011 at 8:44 am

        Yes, Chris is anti-Obama lately – which is why he looked so mighty pissed off yesterday. He was truly counting on a “performance” that he could declare “stellar” and capable of beating Barack Obama, but clearly, that’s not what he saw and he was frustrated with it.

        I saw that also with Rachel Maddow who was clearly let down by her guy Jon Huntsman (who also happens to be a favorite of PUMAS and former Edwards’ supporters). The MSM would very much like Huntsman to be in the running because they believe that he is the only GOP candidate who might successfully get Democrats and fauxgressives to vote for him. That’s why they continue to push him despite his abyssmal polling numbers. No one in the left media is expressed disgust with Huntsman using that racist “teleprompter” joke and that is very telling. He’s their guy.

  199. September 8, 2011 at 12:07 am

    So, the GOP base loved Perry calling Social Security a ponzi scheme? What, republicans don’t receive Social Security checks? These clowns are unbelievable!

  200. 452 P
    September 8, 2011 at 12:42 am

    Okay…this is the only time I got today to indulge. From what I heard in these clips provided 😆 a total comedy show. Thanks for the laughs Perry, Paul and Romney :lol:. I hope I am not missing much on here 😦 . I will not be home in time to listen to the President’s speech tomorrow 😦 …contemplating dropping out of school to have more Obama following time but something always hits me and I go “hmmm what would PBO think….stay in school P”. 😥

    Goodnight all…although most of you all probably in dreamland 🙂

    • 453 theo67
      September 8, 2011 at 2:35 am

      That’s funny – I often wish I could win the lottery so I didn’t have to work, and I could be on Obama-watch much more! 🙂

  201. 454 zizi
    September 8, 2011 at 12:54 am


    I did not have the stomach to watch the wingnut debate, but followed reputable liveblogs closely. One thing is clear: the pundits and some in the left are focused on the wrong issues, & questions. The question should NOT be who won? Perry or Romney? We should ask whether the paltry clown performance tonight has the legs to move the needle on either awakening the passive 98% electorate or galvanizing it in its rabid opposition to Pres. Obama.We should be asking, how the debate will be filtered to the people by the corporate media. PERSUASION! That’s how we win or lose with the electorate.

    Message amplification is absolutely crucial to message control. Similarly, having outsized institutional backing is the core of successfully wielding power. I can assure you that the corporate media will be telling us tomorrow the opposite of what our lying eyes saw tonight. That is the evil the GOP has perfect all these years.,i.e. the capacity to change narratives a when they want it.

    Our frustration mostly stems from the fact that PBO has zero institutional backing,and that no matter what he does he gets no SUSTAINED support from liberal relay channels that can both openly and clandestinely reinforce his memes. NO MESSAGE REPLICATION,=Media Blackout on PBO.

    This is where the Tech billionaires need to look long and hard about whether they would want a destroyed America who’s technological preeminence was once upon a time the the source of their own techie prosperity. But now no more. Their own survival now depends a lot on not turning the country over to anti-Science loons who cut education dollars just so he could reward his prison-industrial complex gurus while decimating our middle class. How about Buffet, Zuckerberg, Katsmann etc. challenge the Koch juggernaut building up?

    Folks we got work to do.

    • 455 bonkers
      September 8, 2011 at 1:28 am

      Hello! Y’all spread this message far and wide. MegaMedia reform and/or replacement with new media outlets is Issue Numero Uno, since every issue you care about stems from it. If people were more informed, they wouldn’t keep voting against their own best interests.

      There are documents out there from Heritage Foundation and other propaganda groups like that from 30ish years ago spelling out the exact plan: Buy up as much of the media as possible and relax and of the regulations on the media. Their plan came to fruition and has been in full effect for at least 10 years now. It was planned!

      As zizi says, we can change this, so let’s roll.

  202. September 8, 2011 at 2:39 am

    Nite Chipsticks and TOD family. We Got This. We did not work this hard in 2008 to deliver POB the election, clean up all of this s… that was left for him when he walked into the Oval Office, take all of the s… from Congress and all the weak behind Dems, and nasty vile MSM to give it back to these clowns. No, now that will be a verdict on our foolish and careless minds and souls for sure. We will not allow that to happen. Now that would be a disgrace. Just allow Mitty, or Ricky or whomever to waltz into the WH on the back of President Barack Obama, mo,, hell no. Not this time, my friends.HZ

  203. 457 Fred
    September 8, 2011 at 7:40 am

    morning TOD family

    what a bunch of kooks 🙄

    let’s set these loons straight with FACTS since the so-called “journalists” in the so-called “liberal” media won’t;shall we?

    Perry calling our President an “abject liar” for saying that the border is safer is himself a liar not the President so there ya go

    Safer than Ever
    A View from the U.S.–Mexico Border: Assessing the Past, Present, and Future

    about that Guardesil?

    The HPV Vaccine: Rick Perry Was For The ‘Mandate’ Before He Was Against It

    Bachmann: I “cut my teeth in politics” 🙄

    Michele Bachmann Suggests Axing The Department Of Education

    Perry Claims Texas Has The ‘Best Health Care In The Country’ While It Has The Worst Uninsured Rate

    Romney is still promising to put out an illegal executive order “granting a waiver to all 50 states” from the Affordable Care Act.
    Romney’s Overreach: Would Illegally Allow States To Opt Out Of Health Law Through Executive Action

    Bachmann is concerned about ObamaCare “killing jobs,” despite the fact that the health care sector is one of the few registering growth 🙄
    U.S. job growth stalled in August, but healthcare hiring continues to rise

    Low Wages And No Health Insurance In Texas

  204. 460 Fred
    September 8, 2011 at 7:41 am

    morning TOD family

    what a bunch of kooks 🙄

    let’s set these loons straight with FACTS since the so-called “journalists” in the so-called “liberal” media won’t;shall we?

    Perry calling our President an “abject liar” for saying that the border is safer is himself a liar not the President so there ya go

    Safer than Ever
    A View from the U.S.–Mexico Border: Assessing the Past, Present, and Future

    about that Guardesil?

    The HPV Vaccine: Rick Perry Was For The ‘Mandate’ Before He Was Against It

    Bachmann: I “cut my teeth in politics” 🙄

    Michele Bachmann Suggests Axing The Department Of Education

  205. 463 Sheila R.
    September 8, 2011 at 10:17 am

    Well put. I didn’t watch it, but that’s my impression.

  206. September 8, 2011 at 2:15 pm

    Thanks to everyone for this comments section; I didn’t watch the debates, and catching up via the live blog as well as the insights here were truly excellent (I loved zizi’s comment about focus and the need to address the media blackout). Excellent thread!

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