‘hoffa and the fainting couch’

Steve Benen: It appears that one of the day’s biggest political stories yesterday, at least on the right, had to do with a Labor Day speech Teamsters President James Hoffa Jr. delivered in Detroit. This has “manufactured outrage” written all over it ….

….here’s the context of the quote: “Everybody here’s got to vote. If we go back and keep the eye on the prize, let’s take these son of a bitches out and give America back to America where we belong! Thank you very much!”

In other words, he was talking about voting. This was not a call to violence – Hoffa wants to take the far-right politicians out of office, not out of existence.

… A paid CNN analyst said that if President Obama “doesn’t condemn” the comments, “he is sanctioning violence.” This is all pretty silly. If the right is comfortable with Rick Perry’s comments about Ben Bernanke, and Sarah Palin’s “reload” cliche, and Mitt Romney talking about “hanging” Obama, I think conservatives can probably stop clutching the pearls over Hoffa’s line about voting.

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159 Responses to “‘hoffa and the fainting couch’”

  1. September 6, 2011 at 11:50 am

    Go Jimmy, Go Jimmy.

    Now for my morning CALL TO ACTION:

    Both Lynn Woolsey and Mike Thompson, Democrats in Congress from our area, asked the labor day crowd to contact the President and let him know you support him and support a jobs bill

    Twitter BarackObama
    Web Form: http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/
    Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/barackobama
    Phone: 202-456-1111

  2. September 6, 2011 at 11:52 am

    Pour me a cup of what you’re having, Chips!! Love, love, love Steve Benen. And the graphic is perfecto.

    I’ve been pounding Jake Tapper pretty hard for awhile. Since I don’t follow him, I didn’t realize until just now that the little idiot twit blocked me. Lame.

    • September 6, 2011 at 11:56 am

      Meta, how do you know when you’re blocked?

      • September 6, 2011 at 12:06 pm

        Well, on another earlier thread here, I saw that DonnaNoShock said she was blocked by him and her tweets have been mild compared to mine. So I went and started poking around. I tried to follow him and that’s when I found out that he blocked me because it won’t let me follow him and some text appears at the top of the screen that says he blocked me. I used to tweet him alot during the DPBs. Not sure if he can still see my tweets or not. I would guess not.

    • 8 Mel
      September 6, 2011 at 1:20 pm

      meta Jake tapper is a (F) jerk in fact all of the HW press are a bunch of jerks Carney will know how to handle those assholes
      but let’s not panic or over react I think PBO on Thursday will take the GOP to task The WH will have the advantage to
      day they will be watching Mitt Romney and tomorrow they will watch the GOP debate PBO will be ready for them I know
      he always is and do not understimate PBO ever. so please let’s be cool and smart and just look at the crowds of yesterday
      does it look PBO is loosing the base? NO.NO.NO> and NO. Go Mr President.

    • 9 symmetry11
      September 6, 2011 at 1:36 pm

      I am very surprised that he has not blocked me yet. I am sure that it is only a matter of time. I sent him a tweet this morning asking if he has anything to say about the Koch brother’s story. I did not get a response, but later he tweeted this: http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/09/billionaire-conservative-activist-charles-koch-on-2012-election-we-have-saddam-hussein-this-is-the-mother-of-all-wars/

      • September 6, 2011 at 1:49 pm

        WOW, this is how it’s SUPPOSED to work. THANK YOU for doing that, symmetry. They can play their games but they know we’re watching and spreading the news.

        • 11 symmetry11
          September 6, 2011 at 2:07 pm

          I am going to try to remember to watch ABC’s national news show to see if they mention it. It needs to be a lead story, but somehow I doubt that they will go that far.

      • 12 chiara
        September 6, 2011 at 3:01 pm

        Remember that at the same time the Koch brothers are encouraging their right wing billionaire friends to donate more, Howard Shultz has launched a campaign for CEOs and all other citizens to withhold their money until Congress can work together more productively. So, in one of the most irresponsible examples of “throw the baby out with the bathwater” I’ve ever seen, Howard Shultz wants to punish them all for the deeds of only some and the only thing it will do is manage to stop any money flowing to good people who actually need it because there’s no way any right wing CEOs are going to heed his call.

        Howard is very wrong on this and it could do real damage to good candidates.

  3. September 6, 2011 at 11:54 am


    Lets use the gazillion folks on this blog to build a network of local news sources. First we need to identify them, then we need to get accounts on the sites so we can post comments, tweet them, email, call or access their Facebook pages.

    Good thing we are all fired up and filled with energy. So far there are postings from Aftrica, Alice and Sue. Let’s all get on board. Post the results below and I will add them to the blog page.

  4. September 6, 2011 at 11:55 am

    Apparently Hoffa is standing firm!


    RT @rickklein Hoffa to tea partiers, not backing down: “They declared war on us.” abcn.ws/opogjJ

  5. September 6, 2011 at 11:55 am

    Why are newspapers talking about the fall spending bills? I thought that it was deem and pass in the debt celing bill?
    I only mention it, because congress will want to shut down government again, and it will step all over his jobs message!

    • September 6, 2011 at 12:10 pm

      Anyone know this question?

    • September 6, 2011 at 12:25 pm

      It wasn’t deem and passed like was reported at that one site. I have a feeling that the President might let the GOP shut the government down this time because they’ll more than likely be blamed after the debt ceiling debacle where Boehner bragged about getting 98% of what he wanted, with the message being that Boehner could have got 70% or 80% of what he wanted weeks earlier and wouldn’t have caused the downgrade.

      Cantor reportedly sent a message out to the GOP caucus not to talk in absolutes when it comes to the CR extension – I’d guess they don’t want to paint themselves in a corner because they knew with the debt ceiling that Pres. Obama couldn’t allow a default, but he’ll risk a short government shutdown if the GOP will get the blame.

      • 27 jacquelineoboomer
        September 6, 2011 at 1:20 pm

        I don’t think President Obama will let the GOP shut the government down. We’ll have to see what happens – because anything could happen with the GOP’s having any power whatsoever!

        We’ve got to GOTV in the upcoming elections!

    • 28 57andFemale
      September 6, 2011 at 12:27 pm

      There were some agreements and in general the consensus is there won’t be a showdown. But the meme that deem and pass was in the debt ceiling bill I guess is not true. I’ve been asking since I first heard about it, even asked deaniac who did such excellent work in explaining the bill.

      I think the Repubs could make trouble if they wanted to.

  6. September 6, 2011 at 11:56 am

    I think we ought to quit giving their ‘outrage’ any energy.. ignore their BS. Its so typical that they do/say violent stuff all the time and it gets a pass by media and other repubs.. but when a UNION member says something slightly boisterous- oooooooooh then the President of the United States must apologize. Such silliness, don’t play their reindeer games. They’lll be spouting all over teevee how the UNIONS are coming for them- be afraid! Anyhoo, POTUS has bigger irons in his fire… but DO expect for this to be the big TOPIC by the White House Press Corp today- there’ll be question after question to Jay Carney about whether POTUS will ‘condemn’ Hoffa’s words. MALARKY All of it.

    • September 6, 2011 at 12:00 pm

      It is all about them being in control of the message! Day in and day out, they work hard for that honor!

    • 31 Sue in Minnesota
      September 6, 2011 at 12:15 pm

      I agree, I also think ridicule is an appropriate response to this nonsense. I loved Benen’s term “clutching the pearls.” I’m not a tweeter, but I am off to e-mail a few MSM outlets regarding their fainting spells.

      Please continue (or get started if you haven’t already) the campaign to notify Congress of your support for the President’s plan. He has already highlighted several clear steps that can be taken by Congress, and as long as you are writing, calling, e-mailing, faxing and or tweeting bring up the pledge by Republicans to obstruct his appointment to head the Consumer Protection Agency and the judicial appointments that are backlogged. Lots to do …..stay at it.

  7. September 6, 2011 at 12:02 pm

    Robert gates just became the Chancelor of William and Mary!

  8. September 6, 2011 at 12:04 pm

    MSNBC is sickening today—-every hour talking about Obama’s “rough and tumble summer” and repeatedly showing Chuck Todd saying that the public has given up on Obama. They’re going to town today on Obama. FOX could not do it any better. And they keep setting the sights so high for his speech, saying Obama “has a lot of work to do”, that he’s “sailing right into the teeth” of this anger and discontent, setting the stage for a big letdown and disappointment.

    • September 6, 2011 at 12:13 pm

      dotster heres my post from a previous thread regarding your topic.. hang in there it’ll be rough waters this week:

      Yesterday POTUS gave a firedup speech supporting Unions and deriding republicans for their attempt at dismantling all things union… and Today on the front page of MSN is a Big photo of POTUS with the headline that he’s at an all time low of 54%.. and “likely to not recover”. What a shock that the media would be trying to sabotage all things President Obama after he gives such a positive speech and just prior to giving a big joint session of Congress speech on the much needed JOBS topic. They – the ‘media’ will spend every waking moment this week pumping the air waves full of Obama is weak/tired/unable to win.. a loser, unloved, unsupported by ‘the people’… so folks- do.not.fall.for.it. They fear him, they fear his jobs speech, they fear his smarts and his ability to get things done via the people and they will work nonstop this week to get folks to turn away ahead of the speech… and to put pressure out there that he must reach a certain most likely unattainable bar to have a ‘successful speech’.. of course the lying PL will be all over the place to help them out with their meme.
      So hang tough, please.

      And as to this clown bunch up top.. one is the same as the other.. like I and others have said- the repub candidates are basically generic kooks and no matter who wins the nomination- the media will make them up as the second coming- they won’t need to lift a finger to run their candidacy, the Media will do it all. Which is why we have to be on the facts and spreading them everywhere regarding President Obama.. and do not let the scoundrels get to you. my two cents.

    • September 6, 2011 at 12:16 pm

      I feel you, Dotster.

      No matter what he does, it is not enough for them. I am looking forward to the day he is re-elected. I will not let them forget.

      On their setting the bar high for PBO, he will be talking to the American people, and I believe he will be pragmatic enough to suggest things that he can work with. The media always thinks it is right and multiple times it and its people have been dead wrong.

      This is what gives me comfort. If all of what they’ve thrown at PBO in the last two years had taken hold with the American people, PBO wouldn’t even have the favorable personal ratings he enjoys today.

      So, I believe in my heart of hearts, (without being blind to the poll numbers) that PBO will come out ahead. Despite the ugly poll numbers today, he leads Romney and Perry.

      And while he supposedly loses to generic GOP, every one that they’ve trekked out, continues to trail PBO.

      I believe he was elected to this job for a purpose. And I believe he is not done yet until his second term is completed.

      • 41 Sue in Minnesota
        September 6, 2011 at 12:21 pm

        So how and when do we organize a MSM boycott. We could start with CNN, Sarah Palin’s turd polishers, (sorry, not wearing my pearls today) Should we DO this, or continue to bemoan their narrative driven programming?

        • September 6, 2011 at 12:33 pm

          I hope you guys do boycott because it’s beyond a circus, beyond stupefyingly grotesque.

          I know that some argue we need to watch this stuff to know what the enemy is doing. I agree to a point, except that we already know what they’re doing because they do the same thing every freakin’ day. It’s like being a restaurant critic and writing about how bad the food is. Except you keep going back every day out of curiosity to see if the food’s improved, only it hasn’t. It just keeps getting worse. And so what happens is, they keep making shitty food because you keep coming back and supporting their business. They win.

          • September 6, 2011 at 1:20 pm

            I am one that thinks we need to keep the blinders off, we need to stay as informed as we can about all that is going on. It’s the only way we can attempt to fight back.
            I don’t know how much MSNBC’s fierce anti-Obama campaign today has to do with the Repub debate—-trying to snag some rt. wing viewers—-but Chris Matthews, subbing for Andrea Mitchell, broadcasting from the Reagan Library, is expressing doubt and disbelief about Obama’s high likability numbers, saying how could anyone still like a president who has failed them???!!! At least Harwood said he believed the numbers, that people believe Obama to be honest and earnest and like his family situation etc.
            And I have always believed that likability is the biggest indication of all of who will be elected. A huge majority of voters pay little attention to policy and details and always just vote with their heart, whom they like best.

            • September 6, 2011 at 1:25 pm

              I understand dotster. I just hope this stuff doesn’t demoralize people too much. Our volunteer recruitment relies on a fired up base and if people just keep hearing that POTUS “failed them” every day, it can be very damaging, which is the whole point of this crap. So as someone who works on the ground, I hate to hear that people feel an obligation to listen to it, but I do understand that some feel compelled to do so.

            • 45 mb32
              September 6, 2011 at 1:53 pm

              So, Chris believes the low job approval numbers are real but the high likeability numbers aren’t? So sad…it messes with their narrative but America does like this president despite all the naysaying by people like Matthews

            • 48 Sue in Minnesota
              September 6, 2011 at 2:13 pm

              I would never tell people what to do….I would suggest it is a healthy choice to turn off the bias and manipulative narrative, and point to alternate sources that are reliable, balanced and truthful. We still need spying eyes, because I think pushback is important. I still respond to their garbage even though I’ve cancelled our cable and do not personally watch them.

              I will be the first to admit that I am a political neophyte….so maybe my own idealistic nature is clouding my vision, but here goes. I believe
              President Obama is establishing a new working standard for politicians and for governance. Our MSM does not recognize it as such, or if they do they are resisiting this course of change. Their programming models and methods are designed around ‘old politics’, they are steps behind this President and what they reflect back to us is opinion based on past realities. For that reason it is not reliable, not to me
              and yet it has the capacity to influence the perspectives of Americans. I’ve written many e-mails suggesting they need to recognize the changing course of direction and recaliberate their perspectives. My letters make no waves what so ever, but I continue to write them.
              How do we influence consumer products, which cable TV certainly is. The ultimate means of influence is our consumer dollars, which is also the bottom line for corporate media outlets and in part determines their programming direction.

              We are into a transitional period in history, it has not been smooth, nor do we have a guarantee that it will be complete….that will depend on Americans and the leadership that guides us through it. President Obama is key, but MSM is also a major player., as are we. How do we do everything to facilitate the success of this transition…through the political process and all systems that infuence it. We need an accurate and fair reflection of what is transpiring, our MSM is failing to do that. Whitehouse.gov and internet access is helping to fill the gap, but could be expanded and more openly promoted. I seeI opportunities via new technologies for individuals with journalistic talents and goals, and entreperneurial skills. Our MSM could redirect their approach. I personally think a MSM blackout is an opportunity to apply a very clear message that they need to rework their product, and to not do so would deeply impact their reason for being….their bottom line.

              • 49 nathkatun7
                September 6, 2011 at 3:12 pm

                Sue, I totally agree with you! I personally no longer watch MSM t.v. news. I can read newspapers to know what’s going on, but I refuse to be part of raising the ratings for people whose mission is to destroy this good man we elected President.

        • 50 a4alice
          September 6, 2011 at 1:12 pm

          ItLuv what u r putting out there A! 🙂

        • September 6, 2011 at 1:36 pm

          I glean most of what these guys are saying from clips here and on twitter. I personally don’t watch them. Having said that, I think in addition to boycotting the shows, if we are to make some serious impact on these guys, we start by collectively organizing to push their advertisers. That’s one of the things thing that gets their attention — Money.

          At the same time, to my mind, I think it is useful to push back when we hear they mislead, distort, or just plain lie about an issue.

          For sure, I was very reluctant to get on Twitter, but I think it is one of the best weapons at our disposal. In my short period since signing on, I have become addicted. And so too, I have irked some in the media to write me back on certain issues.

          I think that is true for others here, too. Without these tools, I think we would have been at a bigger disadvantage.

          There are other ways we can go around the media too. WIW has excellent ideas on some action plans we can take. I think our most challenging effort (perhaps) will be organizing ourselves to follow a particular goal or goals and work it to the bones.

          That is why I love coming here. We learn everyday from each other how we can best work for the re-election of PBO.

    • 53 Debz
      September 6, 2011 at 12:18 pm

      What was Chuck Todd doing yesterday????? Did he miss the 13,000 people in Detroit calling for 4 more years? I Guess they have given up on POTUS and wanted 4 more years of Chuck Todd.

    • September 6, 2011 at 12:39 pm

      They’re just proving how irrelevant they are. What happens come 2012 when President Obama’s campaign goes around them like he did in 2008 and is re-elected? The president will reach 10M twitter followers later this week – that is direct access to 10M voters. He has over 20M facebook friends.

      He’s holding at 42-44% in the polls with literally everybody attacking him – the right, the MSM, the left.

      Chuck Todd, Jake Tapper, Mark Knoller and the rest – they’re all frauds. They’re all smoke and mirrors and they’re deathly afraid that enough folks will wake up one day and realize this and their gravy train will end. They really offer nothing of substance – they just offer their opinion and expect folks will lap it up and accept they’re some sort of expert. They’re glorified pundits and they all have an anti-Obama Administration agenda because they believe that makes them seem serious – because they don’t have any real qualifications or gravitas so they are desperate to fake it.

      • 58 Debz
        September 6, 2011 at 12:47 pm

        Absolutely!!! They didn’t learn anything from the “08 election. The Obama campaign worked around them then, preferring local media and people to people contact while the lazy MSM kept telling us how he could never win. The 2012 campaign will do the same thing again, just look at the good local media coverage of PBO’s bus tour through the heartland!

        • September 6, 2011 at 1:41 pm

          Absolutely. The Chuckies of this world, they go with the flow. The deep thought lacking in the media is just freaking unbelievable. Very few are truly capable of analyzing the machinations of daily politics.

          Any time you can get every pundit in D.C. to be an “expert” on every single issue, you know there is something woefully wrong with the bunch. One reason why they don’t appear in my living room.

          And what’s funny is that they believe their own hype.

          • 60 Sue in Minnesota
            September 6, 2011 at 4:50 pm

            They cling to status quo…..they are resistant to change and are afraid of the risk. So do we hit them with scatter shot, do we ignore them and rediredt our energies and leave them in the dust, or do we focus our efforts and become a cannon ball?

            Africa…you hit on something that I respond strongly to, “they believe in their own hype.” We may never reach them……which fortifies my belief that we should abandon them and promote other sources that are keeping up with the times, and aren’t self absorbed in their own sense of ‘celebrity’. I don’t know what is best, I know I wish we could focus our efforts, I think we would be more effective. But that also means we have to establish a goal.

            If only I had a magic wand, I would wave them away.

    • 61 Desraye
      September 6, 2011 at 1:10 pm

      They don’t like the fact that the public backs the President and the Dems job plan. They got to downplay this.

    • 62 Mel
      September 6, 2011 at 1:29 pm

      dotster3 can you send the vidio of the crowds size of yesterday and tell Chukie he is full of CACA anh he knows it
      do not expect anything good from the MSM about PBO, we have to push push push back as hard as we can let’s be smart and calm
      there are a lot’s of smart people on this site i’am an old man with Multiple Sclerosis I can only do so much, but it’s my

      • 63 Sue in Minnesota
        September 6, 2011 at 4:58 pm

        He is entitled to his own opinions. What he is not entitled to is manufacturing his own facts.
        They also base their opinions and analysis on a Republican perspective…..why do they ignore the larger picture. Aside from my emotional repulsion to them, intellectually, they do not represent a balanced perspective to me, and certainly not a perspective on the change that I believe we are experiencing. I’ve said this before they are looking backwards, not front and center, let alone out to the horizon. It is they that have blinders on.

      • 64 Sue in Minnesota
        September 6, 2011 at 5:00 pm

        Mel, and with age there is wisdom, I appreciate your input and participation. We all bring something of value, I am glad you are with us.

    • 65 virginia
      September 6, 2011 at 2:07 pm

      I agree. Here’s what I sent to Morning Joke this morning:

      E-mail to Morning Joe, on September 6, 2011, re show were Joe, Willie and Mika said that the President should APOLOGIZE for Jimmy Hoffa’s statement at the Labor Day event the prior day where he said we should “get the sons of bitches out”. (They claimed it was threatening, and that Republicans would have been attacked for saying something similar.)
      The hypocrisy never ceases. (I’m surprised that Mika went along with this nonsense.)

      While watching the show this morning (which I like to refer to as “The Three Hours of Celebration of the “failure” of the Obama Administration”), I could not let the silly conversation about the President and Jimmy Hoffa go unanswered.
      Everybody who watched the President’s speech yesterday on C-Span knew that Hoffa did NOT introduce the President, no matter how many times Joe said it (was it 5, 6,7 times that he repeated that LIE?)
      Trumpka and Secy of Labor Solis gave speeches, prior to the introduction by a rank and file UAW member. For those of us who actually WATCHED the speech, we had no idea that Hoffa had even been on the program.
      Having said all that, since when does the President of the United States have to APOLOGIZE for something somebody else said on the program? Name one instance in HISTORY when that happened??????
      Just one???? If that were the case, Presidents would do nothing BUT apologize.
      How often did Bush apologize for Cheney? or Clinton apologize for Gore? Not often? What about NEVER?
      (And Clinton was just as much a “lecturer” as this President–maybe even more, with all his finger wagging.)
      But there’s a whole different standard for this President isn’t there? Hmmmmm, I wonder why???
      President Obama should start apologizing for everybody around him when some people apologize to HIM. The list is way to long to put here, beginning with everybody in the Republic presidential field, and some who have left the field.
      It also includes many people at Fox News (and the rest of the media), on the radio, and in the Tea Party.
      I have heard NO apologies to the President–even from those who insist on shouting into the camera calling the President a Liar.
      My next note will be to the President begging him NOT to apologize FOR anybody, until ONE person apologizes to him.
      Perhaps Joe Scarborough should lead the way, and apologize for first of all telling the LIE, several times, that Hoffa introduced the President (after somebody at the table told him he DIDN’T), insisting that there was some comparability between this incident and the attacks on the President and his administration, and finally for suggesting that the President should begin apologizing for the remarks of OTHER people–not in his administration, over whom he has NO control.
      If I were Jimmy Hoffa, I wouldn’t take to ANYBODY
      apologizing for me in the first place. Who does that anyway?

  9. September 6, 2011 at 12:08 pm

    FYI, I posted a link to the DNC Kickoff in a prior thread. Now this station has changed the article and deleted the reference to the livestream so I guess they will not be carrying it. ARGH.

  10. September 6, 2011 at 12:08 pm

    Here we go! Mike Rogers, chairman of tge house intel committee, wants US troops on the ground in Libya looking for weapons!
    More distractions!

  11. September 6, 2011 at 12:10 pm

    Kudos at least to Mayor Bloomberg who on The View today said it was so important that Congress put politics aside and get behind President Obama and his jobs plan now, that our country and economy can’t afford to wait any longer, that there will be time for political campaigns later. The audience applauded.

    • 71 PoliticalJunkessa
      September 6, 2011 at 12:17 pm


    • 72 Debz
      September 6, 2011 at 12:27 pm

      Good for the Mayor!! We need more prominent people out there putting the spot light on congress to do their job and to stop playing politics with the lives of the American people.

    • 73 jacquelineoboomer
      September 6, 2011 at 12:49 pm

      Yes, because Mayor Bloomberg knows that if the federal government (Congress) doesn’t have its act together, that filters down to the states and cities.

      So glad Bloomberg spoke out!

    • 74 Mel
      September 6, 2011 at 1:32 pm

      I missed that this is great of Bloomberg, yes he has said those comments before.

  12. September 6, 2011 at 12:13 pm

    Luckily, their ratings suck! People will not become engaged until next may!
    Are they going to be surprised that tge republicans own the house of representatives snd are causing all this turmoil!
    Msnbc is worse than fox! It’s gross!

  13. 76 PoliticalJunkessa
    September 6, 2011 at 12:13 pm

    Give ’em hell, Jimmy.

  14. September 6, 2011 at 12:15 pm

    The media is playing POTUS for a fool. They think he’s just going to stand idly by while extremist right-wing Republicans tear this country apart and ruin the lives of the American people. I say, just you wait. NEVER ever underestimate him.

  15. September 6, 2011 at 12:23 pm

    Their is a story on politico:
    FBI spied on Israeli embassy.

    This is a leak from either the house of senate!

    Why do they leak classified information?

    To distract, drive wedges and cause problems!

  16. September 6, 2011 at 12:39 pm

    So after viewing that Hardball Disrespect video this a.m., I tweeted Smercoornish, Ron R. and Roger simon thanking them for speaking truth to power.

    Simon retweeted my tweet:

    Roger Simon @politicoroger retweeted to 2,396 followers:

    lawalazu KSK(africa)
    @smerconish @RonReaganShow @politicoroger Thank u for speaking truth to power. youtube.com/watch?v=FmvSYR…
    Sep 06, 7:14 AM via web

    I also tweeted Ron telling him that many on the left also disrespects PBO.

  17. 89 halo
    September 6, 2011 at 12:40 pm



  18. 90 HZ
    September 6, 2011 at 1:00 pm

    I am supporting my President. No one had heard of Chuck Todd until 2008, so let us continue to move on amd the likes of him will be non-important to us. We follow our POTUS, not Chuck Todd. They follow us. We set the stage, not them, and especially not this time.HZ

    • 91 Doris
      September 6, 2011 at 1:15 pm

      So true HZ. I’ll second that. I would say that a lot of people still don’t know who he is and don’t care what he says.

    • 92 tally
      September 6, 2011 at 2:29 pm

      Hey HZ – how are you feeling today? Better I hope…. (((HUGS)))

      • 93 HZ
        September 6, 2011 at 3:47 pm

        Hi Tally and TOD family: I’m doing better. Dr. Pain decided to make a visit on me, but not to worry, I will manage it all. (Thanks to a strong dose of Mother’s blood in me.) Thanks for asking. Love you all back very much.HZ

    • 94 Sue in Minnesota
      September 6, 2011 at 5:07 pm

      HZ, are you feeling better today? Been thinking about you….extra prayers that your health will improve. We all care very deeply about you and your comfort.

  19. 95 Desraye
    September 6, 2011 at 1:13 pm

    If you read the article please don’t read the comment section. They are comments from dumb and ignorant people. If you read any of the Steve Benen please don’t read the comment section. It ‘s like they live in another world.

  20. 98 jacquelineoboomer
    September 6, 2011 at 1:22 pm

    Was there any concrete reporting on how many folks watched the livestream (or various livestreams) of the President’s jobs speech in Detroit? Early word was 21.5 million, but not sure where that came from …

    Just curious.

  21. 101 Alycee
    September 6, 2011 at 1:25 pm

    Now on C-Span 3: Jobs and Social Justice Symposium. Video is also available at C-Span.org

  22. 102 Keith in C-bus, Ohio
    September 6, 2011 at 1:37 pm

    I have a feeling we are going to have a Perry/Romney GOP ticket folks. You heard it here first. With these two Faschist EGOS running amok your guess is as good as mine on which on will be at the top of the ticket. My guess is Perry cause he is more committed to his extreme Rightwing Ideology and less of a flip/flopper (if that is possible) than Romney.


    • 103 Keith in C-bus, Ohio
      September 6, 2011 at 1:45 pm

      Facist….I mean with out the h. 😉 😳

    • September 6, 2011 at 1:56 pm

      I can see Romney/Perry because Romney will need a RR/Evangelical vote and somebody with southern state appeal, but I don’t think Perry would choose Romney as his running mate because Mitt really doesn’t bring anything that Perry couldn’t get elsewhere that would also bring a swing state – McDonnell in Virginia, Portman in Ohio, to name a couple, Rubio would probably lock up Florida as well. Christie would probably be even better though I don’t think him on the ticket would flip NJ.

      • September 6, 2011 at 2:17 pm

        Rubio made a statement last week, GE said social security snd Medicare made us weak. And he voted for tge Ryan plan!

        That does not endear you to Florida voters!

  23. September 6, 2011 at 1:41 pm

    The Obama administration “has decided to drop the number of U.S. troops in Iraq at the end of the year down to 3,000, marking a major downgrade in force strength,” Fox News reports.

    “Senior commanders are said to be livid at the decision, which has already been signed off by Defense Secretary Leon Panetta. The generals on the ground had requested that the number of troops remaining in Iraq at the end of the year reach about 27,000.”


    It’s sourced to Fox, so take it was a big grain of salt. But this would push back against the earlier leak that a sizeble force would be staying there. I suspect it will be somewhere in the middle and 10,000 or so troops will be left behind on permanent bases. I don’t think anybody outside the Administration and Pentagon really know, and suspect numbers leaked are used to try and influence the decision making process. Going down to 3000 would be a signal that America is going to leave completely. There is no stomach in America to keep troops there – so it will be difficult to make political hay out of the issue.

    • 108 Keith in C-bus, Ohio
      September 6, 2011 at 1:47 pm

      Sounds like a WIN for the Obama administration. The American public is DONE with wars. We are war weary. I’m sure Perry/Romney would like to invade Iran……… 😡

    • 109 Mel
      September 6, 2011 at 1:52 pm

      I do not believe any that comes out of FOX “SOURCES” there are lies, lies and a bunch of lies.

    • September 6, 2011 at 1:55 pm

      Well, except that Odierno has been on board with this so Fox can say whatever blah-blah-blah they want.

    • 111 COS
      September 6, 2011 at 2:02 pm

      All of the stories on this reference Fox. At this point, I agree that it should be taken with a huge grain of salt. 🙂

  24. September 6, 2011 at 1:50 pm

    Boner is so afraid of thus jobs speech that he just write a 1500 word letter to the president!
    He wants, wait for it,… The president to unveil the jobs speech in a bi cameral setting of congress so they can discuss it, prior to the speech!

    Is he nuts???

    • September 6, 2011 at 1:57 pm

      Rusty and his squad are just looking for more circus. That’s all these freaks know.

    • 114 Debz
      September 6, 2011 at 1:59 pm

      In a word….YES

    • September 6, 2011 at 2:02 pm

      Boehner and the GOP always try to use Pres. Obama’s desire for bipartisanship against him with requests like this. I hope the Pres. doesn’t go for it. I mean when does Boehner have time – Congress in only back on Wednesday, and then they all want to watch the debate on Wednesday night, and then Thursday is already the day of the speech.

      Piss off Boehner. You’ve had 200+ days to talk about jobs and you have done nothing other than obstruct. They just want a heads up on what is going to happen so they can get their spin machine reply ready. I hope the Pres and Press Sec don’t release snippets early either.

      • 116 COS
        September 6, 2011 at 2:11 pm

        After Bohner pissed PBO off with “dategate”, I am sure PBO is not going to fall for this. If he does, it will be a distraction and another reason for “cavegate” to dominate the media. As PBO said at the Democratic Convention, “ENOUGH”.

      • September 6, 2011 at 2:15 pm

        It appears to me that this is all fun and games to the GOP and the media — never looking to solve the problem always trying to one up the president. It is so stupid, it is incomprehensible.

      • 118 Sue in Minnesota
        September 6, 2011 at 5:23 pm

        Boehner claimed logistics as a reason for requesting the rescheduling….now logistics are not a factor? If this is really a burning issue for him why wait until today? He should have brought it up immediately, when the kerfuffle went down,

        StR you are so spot on….Boehner has had almost 9 months to write job creating legislation…..they are too busy signing pledges to Grover Norquist, Alec, and playing politics with economic policy issues and natural disasters to attend to the resolution of the challenges we face.
        These guys do not deserve their paychecks, they haven’t earned them. i hope when we clear them out of Congress Barnum and Bailey’s is hiring, they would be perfect for their clown acts.

        • 119 Sue in Minnesota
          September 6, 2011 at 5:25 pm

          I would love to see another live forum like the one they did for health care. I hope the meetings of the super commitees are transparent and available to the public.

    • 120 COS
      September 6, 2011 at 2:05 pm

      If this is true, I can’t see PBO agreeing to this.

    • 121 Debz
      September 6, 2011 at 2:05 pm

      I would point out that seeing all of those people cheering on POTUS yesterday as he called out the repugs to do their job, has got Boehner running scared, so he’s making noises to sound like he cares.

      • 122 edp4bho
        September 6, 2011 at 2:51 pm

        Exactly right Debz. They all got scared. Doesn’t matter what wasn’t shown on the tube; they saw the crowds, the cheering, the admiration and agreement with PBO. They know what happened. Why, despite the supposedly bad polling, are they all in a panic about this upcoming speech. I heard this morning that Demented said he would not attend……went on and on about how “frustrated” he is that PBO would use this forum for a policy speech, etc. I know when people are running scared and that bozo, along with Suckie Fuckie Chuckie, is a lttle bit worried.

        • 123 Debz
          September 6, 2011 at 3:01 pm

          You have to wonder what is so terrifying about a speech about jobs, especially since the GOP has been demanding to see “the plan.” They know when the President calls them out, telling them to vote on the jobs bills, the voters will see them as the useless fools that they are. Also they got a taste of PBO on the campaign trail yesterday, apparently they forgot, and nothing terrifies them more that that!!!

    • September 6, 2011 at 2:06 pm

      I spat water from my mouth on to the computer. Can’t run his caucus, but he wants to dictate to PBO. No control at home and so he seeks someone else to control outside.

      PBO has been very kind to him if you ask me, but this has got to be pure nuttiness.

      What a joke.

    • September 6, 2011 at 2:09 pm

      I wonder if this is to set up the GOP not attending. Walsh and DeMint have already said they’re not going, I wonder if there is more telling Boehner they’re not going to attend. This way the President turns down this request and than Boehner runs to the press saying “It’s obvious the President doesn’t want to have a discussion, he wants to grandstand, so the Republicans will not attend to be used as props.”

      • 126 tally
        September 6, 2011 at 2:32 pm

        Let them stay home. Can you imagine the firestorm that would create from the RATIONAL people of this country who still demand respect for the OFFICE OF THE POTUS???

        fuck em

      • 127 bjw2
        September 6, 2011 at 2:52 pm

        I’m hoping they do stay at home, it will be just more evidence that these SOBs are more interested in advancing thier party than the country.

      • 128 anniebella
        September 6, 2011 at 3:31 pm

        What is that no good John Boehner up too now?

      • 129 Lovepolitics2008
        September 6, 2011 at 5:33 pm

        They can try but no way the American people would buy it. A President speaking to Congress in a time of crisis ? It seems TOTALLY legitimate to ordinary people. Moreover, people are not that stupid. Republicans asking to know everything about the speech BEFORE the speech ? Unprecedented. And bizarre.

        Sorry Bohner, you’re not going anywhere with this.

    • 130 symmetry11
      September 6, 2011 at 2:18 pm

      Here is the letter for those interested in reading it: http://www.speaker.gov/UploadedFiles/JOBS-Letter-to-President-9-6-11.pdf

    • 132 PoliticalJunkessa
      September 6, 2011 at 2:28 pm

      I called it!

      I KNEW, KNEW, KNEW he was going to regret so quickly offering Thursday to PBO — he’s probably hearing from his overlords who would have stonewalled the whole thing together. By making such a huge deal about moving the date, he’s cornered himself.

      How unprofessional to try to backtrack now. He’s an absolute clown and the Worst Speaker Ever.

      I don’t care if not one teapublican attends. Screw ’em!

      • September 6, 2011 at 2:51 pm

        He saw the crowd in Detroit yesterday and thought. holy kaka.

        Probably advice from Frank Luntz. This group is all about blurring the issues, causing confusion, becuase they can rely on the media to play along with them.

    • 134 theo67
      September 6, 2011 at 3:27 pm

      If they don’t have time to hear the speech until Thursday because they’re busy naming post offices or pretending to have GOP debates, then where are they planning to have time to do a bicameral setting of Congress to preview the speech??!! Boehner is disgusting and he’s already on shaky ground after that racist disrespect from last week – what other President has ever been asked to do this? As many like to say, he can go and suck on a sour lemon, or rotten egg, or whatever is appropriate.

  25. September 6, 2011 at 1:56 pm

    Msnbc is having a republican debate! They have a stigma(not true) of being a liberal station! Maybe they want ratings from republicans and this could explain the unreal bias towards the republicans and ant Obama crap! Just saying!

  26. September 6, 2011 at 2:07 pm

    DNC reveals new logo at kickoff today! With new video:


    This post for Meta!

  27. 141 chiara
    September 6, 2011 at 2:16 pm

    And cue the peanut gallery of Fox and Friends. Debbie Wasserman Shultz had to deal with the manufactured outrage this morning already.


  28. September 6, 2011 at 2:21 pm

    Regarding Boehner’s letter to PBO, just another distraction. Once again, GOP notorious for creating confusion, knowing that media will be their to cover for them for a whole news cycle.

    Won’t it be funny if his request was just totally ignored totally. Not nice to question people’s values, but this man just does not appear to be an honest person. Sorry I went there. But I just see him in this light.

    • 143 anniebella
      September 6, 2011 at 3:34 pm

      africatimes2, You are telling the truth about Boehner and the Republican Party.

    • 144 tally
      September 6, 2011 at 4:01 pm

      I tried to read it, but two things happened:

      1. The first paragraph made my rage MAX from his comment about “NEWS REPORTS on [POTUS]…blah fucking blah…” FUCK YOU BONER! You can’t go to the SOURCE? YOU can’t listen to the POTUS YOURSELF? YOU must rely on NEWS REPORTS for your FUCKING INFORMATION??

      2. It froze my Safari. FUCK HIM.

    • September 6, 2011 at 2:41 pm

      It’s News Corpse SOP to buy off folks who uncover their wrong doing. I mean take a huge sum and stay quiet or try and fight the multi-billion dollar company in court for years?

  29. September 6, 2011 at 2:25 pm

    Msnbc is dying to let republican voters know that they are not bias towards the president! Hannity and orally say that msnbc are all Obama supporters! Hence, the overkill!
    They want ratings for their fucking debate!

  30. September 6, 2011 at 2:41 pm

    Perry has a PAC that plans to raise 55 million and do an ad blitz of 45 million by march! Holy shit! Folks, he will be the nominee!

  31. September 6, 2011 at 3:07 pm

    Cory McGray – spread this around

    Do Young Workers Still Need the Labor Movement?

  32. September 6, 2011 at 3:14 pm

    Both Lynn Woolsey and Mike Thompson, Democrats in Congress from our area, asked the labor day crowd to contact the President and let him know you support him and support a jobs bill. We so often take the time to complain, we need to let President Obama know we agree with everything he said in his speech yesterday and that we have his back.

    Twitter BarackObama
    Web Form: http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/
    Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/barackobama
    Phone: 202-456-1111

  33. September 6, 2011 at 3:17 pm

    Encouraging medical news

    Tumour-attacking virus shows promise as cancer treatment

  34. 157 Ladyhawke
    September 6, 2011 at 3:18 pm

    DNC responds to Rich Romney’s Jobs Plan Speech:

    Memo: The Romney Speech: Bold and Sweeping—or Else

    And his Johnny One Note campaign on the economy is even more curious given the fact he has been following on the issue all year instead of leading. Paul Ryan and the House GOP say end Medicare and slash research and development, education and job training programs, Mitt Romney says sign me up. The far right wing continues to work to dismantle and privatize Social Security, Mitt Romney says I’m in – but calls it something else. When the Tea Party proposes an extreme economic and budget plan with a draconian balanced budget requirement that would cost millions of jobs, Mitt Romney pledges allegiance. And, when the most extreme elements of the Republican Party urged Congress to vote down the recent debt deal and allow our country to go into default, Mitt Romney said that’s exactly how he’d vote.


  35. 158 Sheila R.
    September 6, 2011 at 5:04 pm

    Anyone who thinks that Hoffa was talking about anything other than voting needs to look in the mirror. Hoffa’s father was certainly murdered. Ho way would Hoffa, Jr., was not advocating violence. Benen is correct about the manufactured outrage.

  36. September 6, 2011 at 6:29 pm

    I watched Jack Shea, President of the Allegheny County Labor Council AFL-CIO on CNN’s American Morning yesterday. Worth repeating some of what he said (read transcript for more), and this is before Teamsters President James Hoffa Jr. or President Obama spoke. Prior to this, Shea pointed out the Republicans were weakening the bargaining table; Corporations were coming after wages, benefits and pensions and pointing out these same Corporations weren’t paying their fair share in taxes; that workers have not seen real wage increases in ten years; and that it’s time for Labor and President Obama to take the gloves off. Here’s Shea responding to what he thinks the President should say Thursday:

    SHEA: I would like him to say especially to the Republicans who have stonewalled him, here’s what you want in your district, we’ll do it. Here’s what you want in your district, we’ll do it. And when they wouldn’t agree with him, then I want him to point out people by name.

    I don’t want him to say that Congress wouldn’t do this or that. I want him to say, this one wouldn’t do it, that one wouldn’t do it no matter where they’re at. I want him to fix infrastructure. We saw – we saw the hurricane just a week and a half ago come up the East Coast and we saw the damage it did. And it didn’t take much to do it.

    And the point being is, our infrastructure, our sewers, our bridges, our schools, they’re getting old. They need fixed. We got to start putting people back to work. And when you do, and there’s no doubt about it, I’ve been around long enough to know this, when you put people back to work, they go out and they spend.

    And when they go out and spend, everybody feels pretty good. People go to a restaurant and say, boy, everybody must be doing OK. I’ve got to wait in line a couple minutes to get a table.

    My point is, that President Obama has tried and tried, because I watched this stuff pretty closely and he’s tried and they’ve said no. As a matter of fact, they have actually went the opposite way and they said all they’re interested in is one thing, to make sure he’s a one-termer and that’s terrible. We have never treated other people like that.

    Let me give – make just one more point if I may. If President Bush was still in office today, and he was on board when we got – oh, gees, mental block on TV, it’s terrible. But when he killed the al Qaeda guy, right? We would be putting a statue in every city in the United States. President Obama was in office, he’s the one who called the shot and guess what happened? They ignored it, they brush it off, it’s water off their back. …That’s how they’re treating the man. It’s not fair.

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