201 Responses to “charlotte 2012”


  1. September 6, 2011 at 7:56 pm

    I like the new logo, shows families not corporations.

  2. September 6, 2011 at 8:01 pm

    Please guys you have to turn to the history channel now.

  3. September 6, 2011 at 8:10 pm

    just came home and turned on the tv. went to see what Lawry was up to and found him entertaining that idiot Fineman asking what PBO must do in regards to his poll numbers. Immediately switched to FX to watch Wolverine with my sexy lover Hugh Jackman. Don’t got time or patience for PL bullhokey. 😕

    • September 6, 2011 at 8:17 pm

      All of msnbc has been absolutely terrible today, with the exception of Rev. Al I’m presuming. They’ve really stepped up their anti-Obama rhetoric today—–don’t know if this is about the Repub debate but they’re worse than FOX today. Todd has been acting like the election is over and Obama lost. Fineman is his usual horrible self, just saying people “would have liked Obama to succeed” but he didn’t and they’ve lost faith etc. etc. etc. There has been no honest debate or interpretation or digging below the surface. It looks so programmed. Switched to HGTV—–

    • 20 anniebella
      September 6, 2011 at 8:24 pm

      I turn the channel when I saw who O’Donnell was going to talk too. I have no use for Howard Fineman.

  4. 22 hopefruit2
    September 6, 2011 at 8:12 pm

    Debbie Wasserman Schultz Tweets:

    “I had a great day in Charlotte kicking off the @DemConvention to be held one year from today. A few photos: http://on.fb.me/rdskzg

    • 23 jacquelineoboomer
      September 6, 2011 at 10:10 pm

      She’s another one who never sleeps! Also was reminded in her email about the kickoff that she seconded the Democratic nomination of Barack Obama in ’08!

  5. 25 Bobfr
    September 6, 2011 at 8:15 pm

    Hello everyone,

    TiMT has posted yet another outstanding essay at TPV – “”President Obama is a long distance runner.” Pragmatism Has Worked and Will Continue To Work.”

    The essay was inspired by a cogent and empathetic observation by nathkutun

    If you haven’t already read it, I urge you to do so: http://www.thepeoplesview.net/2011/09/president-obama-is-long-distance-runner_06.html#disqus_thread

    TiMT, quoted Howard Zinn and these sentences particularly resonated:

    “We don’t have to engage in grand, heroic actions to participate in the process of change. Small acts, when multiplied by millions of people, can transform the world.”

    As some of you know, I’m, daily, amazed at how the Libyan people are forging their destiny with an inspiring dedication to the inalienable rights of each person.

    So, I’d like to share a little story with you that is quite consistent with Howard Zinn’s insight.

    Several months ago, people from all over the world began congregating and sharing their support for the people of Libya in what has become an amazing set of relationships.

    The interactions happened via Disqus comments associated with a series of Aljazeera English (AJE) blogs. I had been following developments in Egypt and was participating in live blogs associated with the efforts of Egyptians to begin defining their future when Libya erupted on 17 Feb 2011 and thereafter, day after day, kept track of what Libyans were doing. During these months, we had a variety of Libyans join us in the blog comment section discussing the situations throughout their country.

    Those interactions continue, literally 24/7, to today and, will continue.

    Over the months, some participants began reaching out to Libyans in their respective communities, seeking ways to be supportive. In doing so, they discovered that expat Libyans had been following the blogs, most reluctant to participate for all the obvious reasons, but very much encouraged by the obvious outpouring of compassion and zeal from so many non-Libyans, globally.

    Well, yesterday, a few fellow bloggers were invited to participate in a celebration of the liberation of Libya. They were invited by the leader of a Libyan community in Seattle.

    At the conclusion of the celebration, the Libyan leader folded a Libyan flag – the red, green and black flag of liberated Libya – and presented it to one of the bloggers as a statement of the gratitude the Libyan community has for all the support they witnessed us providing, day after day, night after night, on those AJE blogs. I live in Seattle, as some of you already know, and was invited to attend but because of long standing commitments because of Labor Day I was not able to be present, but one of my friends was able to attend and will be sharing more about the celebration and I’ll be sure to share it with all of you.

    Small actions of support and compassion do in_deed contribute to the process of change.

    http://blogs.aljazeera.net/africa/2011/08/24/crucial-moments-save-peace-libya#comment-303572499

    Yes.We.Can. … DO.More.Together!

    • 26 jacquelineoboomer
      September 6, 2011 at 10:12 pm

      Absolutely wonderful story! Heartwarming.

      • 27 Bobfr
        September 6, 2011 at 10:16 pm

        Thank you Jacqueline.

        Just received an email containing the photo of the flag they gave all of us – very, very moving moment.

        Yes.We.Can. … DO.More.Together!

        • 28 a4alice
          September 6, 2011 at 10:21 pm

          Bobfr thanks for sharing that. – it reminds me that we who follow these blogs and do what we do can in some small way contribute as well. You know? At our best we’re sharing what we know and making people aware of what is happening. Everyone doing his or her own small or large part helps to push all of us forward. thanks.

    • 30 theo67
      September 6, 2011 at 11:50 pm

      Fantastic story, Bobfr! Your updates have been inspiring.

    • 31 prettyfoot58
      September 7, 2011 at 12:03 am

      AWEsome AWEsome and inspiring commentary

    • 32 LunarSea
      September 7, 2011 at 12:17 am

      A great story. Thanks for sharing. Yes we can!

    • 33 nathkatun7
      September 7, 2011 at 1:08 am

      Bobfr, You are really a treasure. I am sure I am not alone in being inspired by your comments, your brilliant letters to the President, and, above all, the way you’ve passionately focused on helping the people of Egypt and Libya; and also telling their heroic stories of struggle and sacrifice. You are indeed a very special person in my book. Let me also thank both you and TiMT for remembering and highlighting this powerful statement by Howard Zinn, one my heroes:

      “We don’t have to engage in grand, heroic actions to participate in the process of change. Small acts, when multiplied by millions of people, can transform the world.”

      You see, unlike the spoiled progressives who want “instant gratification,” people who are genuinely committed to bringing about real change understand the reality that real change takes time and requires long term commitment.

      I am sure it’s going to take time for Libya to be made whole again after 42 years of brutal dictatorship. What is so gratifying is to see Libyans extending a hand of friendship to people like you in the United States who treated them as important human beings who deserved to be free and not just some pawns in ideological wars.

      You may call what you and others did for Libya “small actions of support and compassion,” but, in the end, you made an important contribution to change. You did not sit on the sidelines telling Libyans what to do and how to do it to your satisfaction. Instead, you pitched in the best way you could to lend a hand. So, Let me thank you for a job well done!

      • 34 Bobfr
        September 7, 2011 at 1:30 am

        Good evening nathkatun, LunarSea, prettyfoot and theo,

        Thank you for your warm comments.

        nathkatun, you have remarkable skills as a communicator and you are a deeply empathetic person. It is a privilege to be able to dialogue with you and all our very fine friends here at TOD and TPV.

        Yes.We.Can. … DO.More.Together!

        • 35 nathkatun7
          September 7, 2011 at 2:44 am

          Well Bobfr, the feelings are really mutual. I just can’t tell you how blessed and grateful I feel to have found people like you who are so filled with compassion, good common sense, and a dedication to do what you can to improve the lives of other people. I’ve followed you at BWD’s Only Adult in the Room, TPV, TOD and some other practical progressive sites I visit where I often see your comments. I’ve always admired your disciplined focus on big issues. Unlike some of us, like me, who can be easily ticked off by small minded people who hate the President, I very rarely see you engage in petty squabbles. I especially like and admire the letters you send to the President. They really set an example of how a serious and mature person should engage in dialogue with people they respect, even if they may disagree with them. Your posts on Libya have been my go to sources for finding truthful information.

          By the way I am really very impressed with folks from Seattle I’ve met on these blogs. You, Dorothy R, Tien Le, are models of both civility, passion, and dedicated commitment. I spent six years in Oregon (Portland and Eugene) and used to visit Seattle quite often back in the late 1960’s and early 1970’s. As a young man I really loved Seattle, and especially the Jazz clubs. But I also loved the people. I think many people in Washington and Oregon are some of the most honest, down to-earth, practical, progressives I know.

          • 36 Bobfr
            September 7, 2011 at 11:10 am

            You are very kind. I’m quite touched by what you have written. Looking forward to continuing to exchange thoughts and ideas with you and our other fine colleagues here and elsewhere.

            All the best,
            Bob

  6. September 6, 2011 at 8:19 pm

    Shop at Belks. Mr. Belk donated $100,000 to Dem convention. (Charlotte Observer)

    • 38 TrumpDog
      September 6, 2011 at 8:26 pm

      I wish we had a Belks in AZ. They would definitely get my business.

      • 39 TrumpDog
        September 6, 2011 at 8:30 pm

        Correction: they don’t have a store here, but they do have an online shop.
        I’ve never heard of them before, but I’ve bookmarked the site. They will be the first place I give my business for my home goods and clothing needs. They seem similar to Kohls or Macys department store.

        Thanks for the heads up.

        http://www.belk.com

    • 40 Dudette
      September 7, 2011 at 12:05 am

      Good to know, Dotster3. There’s a Belk near me, which I like very much. Not the best prices, but quality products and excellent customer service. I’ll be shopping there again soon.

  7. September 6, 2011 at 8:31 pm

    They have actors playing the president and his advisers on the bin Laden documentary 😀 .

    • September 6, 2011 at 8:33 pm

      Switching back and forth between this and LOD. Lawrence just had a former opponent of Rick Perry’s from Texas. Perry is a friggin piece of work — totally corrupt and wicked.

    • 44 collegekay
      September 6, 2011 at 8:34 pm

      i’m loving it

    • 46 Me4obama
      September 6, 2011 at 8:47 pm

      But PBO is also speaking in the documentary. lam getting Chills watching it 🙂 I can’t believe the Team 6 didn’t know they were going to hunt OBL. PBO is well complimented and no mention of Bush.

      • September 6, 2011 at 8:56 pm

        Yes, he is giving candid interviews, but the “dramatic scenes” are by actors. It’s a great mix. One thing I am so happy about is that bin Laden is not alive to see the 10th anniversary of 9/11 commemorated. He’s at the bottom of the sea, thank goodness.

        • 48 hopefruit2
          September 6, 2011 at 9:02 pm

          Do you think that the MSM might be aggressively trying to create an anti-Obama atmosphere so that he doesn’t get a possible bump from 9/11 commemorations? They’ve been nasty all summer, but I notice that they’ve been espcially agressive bordering on hostility/anger towards him in the last couple weeks.

          • 49 Me4obama
            September 6, 2011 at 9:11 pm

            OMG chills, chills all over my Body. Anyone who ever, ever , ever doubt this GREAT, POWERFUL MAN, should watch this documentary. I will have my Family watch and friends watch it. OMG.

          • 50 Doris
            September 6, 2011 at 9:12 pm

            Yes they have been nasty because they know that when the President hits the podium this fall, that he is going to put that Republican bunch to shame and them too. The American people are going to go crazy for him and all that he has accomplished and they are scared. So they are trying to get the jump on him now because they know Iron Man is coming and that we’ll be right behind him. They fear us all. They know he is a shark. They remember the primary and the General and they remember us too.

            BTW, donate if you can.

          • September 6, 2011 at 9:13 pm

            Yes, openly hostile. I’d sure know what it is. It’s creepy.

          • September 6, 2011 at 9:14 pm

            Who knows? Who can tell the difference? And to be honest, if I didn’t read here, I wouldn’t know what they were saying because I don’t watch much “news” media.

            But I am confident of this: no matter what they do, they cannot stop the fact that American attention will be focused on the events of 9/11, and by extension, the killing of Osama bin Laden. We have come full circle as a country, and there are enough Americans, especially in NY, NJ, DC, and PA who will never forget their loved ones, and who won’t forget the man who went after their killer.

            I have been watching various specials on the absolutely gorgeous memorial that has been erected at the site. It is breathtaking and so much love and skill went into building it. Its sacredness and beauty come through the television. If the media craps all over it, they will be shamed. The day belongs to the families, and perhaps the nation will finally be able to release some of the tension that has been running as an undercurrent in our lives for the last 10 years. We never had a leader to help us properly mourn that event, and our energies were quickly misdirected by the criminals in the White House. But perhaps, with the beauty of the memorial, the commemoration events, and an empathetic leader, we can begin to heal in a few days.

            The media is irrelevant to all of this.

          • 53 TrumpDog
            September 6, 2011 at 9:15 pm

            Don’t forget: they did this shit during the elections. They constantly said how he would not get the White votes and were always parading PUMA members on TV.

            They wants so bad to know what he’s going to say Thursday, just so they can shit over it or claim how it’s not good enough. Even before the speech, they are condemning it. Not once have they blamed the GOP for their obstructionism and the fact that they promised JOBS with tax cuts for the rich. They do everything they can to undermine the president. I also think they underestimate him. He’s very skillful despite what the GOP and emoprogs claim.

          • September 6, 2011 at 9:20 pm

            I noticed a change right after the Gallup head was bemoaning that he couldn’t explain why President Obama was polling so high.

            The MSM wants – NEEDS a horse race in 2012 both because the ad money will be a boon for their networks, but also because it makes their jobs so much easier to fill their 24 hour news stations.

            It’s wag the dog stuff here, as the MSM looks to create drama and news and present it as stuff they’re just impartially covering. No Drama Obama pisses them right off.

          • September 6, 2011 at 9:22 pm

            of course they are…

        • 56 JoJothecat
          September 6, 2011 at 9:19 pm

          Agreed. The last thing we needed was is video mocking Americans and the dead. The GOP used him every chance they got to scare us now no more. Thank you President Obama.

      • September 6, 2011 at 9:14 pm

        What is the name of this docudrama? I want to be able to rent it on Netflix.

      • September 6, 2011 at 9:25 pm

        This is by far the best documentary I’ve seen so far of the event.

        Dayum I would have been sweating bullets if I was in the situation room when that blackhawk went down.

    • September 6, 2011 at 10:05 pm

      Wow. That was riveting. I was sitting on the edge of my seat as if the team was going in for the first time.

      Anybody who calls this president “weak” ought to have their heads examined.

      Everybody in the room left that decision to him. Wow.

      This was something.

      • 64 Janelle
        September 6, 2011 at 10:23 pm

        That was an awesome documentary—riveting is right. I think it comes on again at midnight. Our President sure has a strong inner strength. He went all in. Some were hedging their bets in case it went wrong. This President was willing to risk it all….that is far from weak. Underestimate him at your own peril.

      • September 6, 2011 at 10:28 pm

        His Presidency was on the line and he still made that call for the riskier option. Very smart and experienced individuals were saying it’s not him or don’t do it – it would have been easy not to do it. And if anything went wrong – it wasn’t OBL, or it was but he got away, or the Pakistan military got involved and the Seals had to fight their way out it would have ended the Obama Presidency.

        To anybody questioning the President’s guts, spine, balls – they simply cannot fathom the call he made here.

        • 66 LunarSea
          September 6, 2011 at 11:43 pm

          Reminds me of the Bay of Pigs decision. Except Kennedy had his brother and a large extended family to be there behind him 110% if anything went wrong. He made a tough call pretty much on his own and if this were the 1800s there would be ballards sung in his honor.

        • 67 nathkatun7
          September 7, 2011 at 1:22 am

          Well said StR! I think people have confused being a loudmouth with having guts. Most strong and courageous people I know do not go around bragging about what they are going to do. Usually they let their actions speak louder than their words.

  8. 68 TrumpDog
    September 6, 2011 at 8:32 pm

    Cool logo.

  9. September 6, 2011 at 8:35 pm

    Oooh…I know I said I didn’t like it in an earlier thread but A]it looks better not on a television screen wall and B]I thought it was the new DNC logo and not specifically the convention logo – the latter making a whole lot more sense.

  10. September 6, 2011 at 8:37 pm

    Also it’s not clouds behind Pres. Obama in the first image (with the countdown clock) – fooled me at first, but rather a crowd of supporters.

  11. September 6, 2011 at 8:53 pm

    This is really exciting. Wish I could be there.

    The new logo is very Obama-esk.

    In the silhouette of people the figure in the middle kinda looks like President Obama.

  12. September 6, 2011 at 9:14 pm

    The choice for keynote speaker will be interesting as I don’t think it will be any of the 2016 front runners because PBO wouldn’t want to play favorites (So no O’Malley, Hickenlooper, Cuomo, Kaine, Warner, Patrick etc). My two choices would be –

    #1 – If she is up to it I think Gabby Giffords would be an inspiring choice.
    #2 – San Antonio mayor Julian Castro. He’s really young, in his mid 30’s, a really good speaker and he could have a real shot at winning Texas Governor in the next decade. Castro political successes will go a long way in “bluing” Texas and I think Obama might want to tab a national unknown and give him a big push. Mayor Castro would also give the Dems a high profile Latino to potentially counteract Rubio at the RNC Convention as Rubio could be the VP or keynote given the Convention is in Florida.

    • September 6, 2011 at 9:20 pm

      I’ve been following Castro for a long time and I also think that people like O’Malley are important.

    • 75 vero804
      September 6, 2011 at 9:27 pm

      I’m rooting for O’Malley. He spoke at the JJ Dinner in Richmond, VA earlier this year and he was phenomenal. He’s a great speaker, and is a rising star in the Dem Party.

      • September 6, 2011 at 9:49 pm

        O’Malley, Deval Patrick, Brian Schweitzer are all very dynamic speakers BUT I think they’re all 2016 Presidential contenders and I don’t think the Pres will look to play favorites. I could see all three speak at the convention. Warner was brutal in 2008 – Schweitzer and Kerry blew him out of the water.

        It’s too bad the President couldn’t do an open air stadium like in 2008 – 80,000+ was an amazing visual. Remember the garbage about “roman Colosseum pillars” when it was a replica of the White House. Which my I say was brilliant stage craft as it got folks “used to” seeing then Candidate Obama “at” the white house and than going in the “front door”.

    • 77 nathkatun7
      September 7, 2011 at 1:36 am

      I really like Mayor Julian Castro! As an older person, I always enjoy seeing young people who are ready to pick up the torch from the older generations. Gabby Giffords must be part of it if she is able to. She truly exemplifies the triumph of the spirit. I also think the young Newark Mayor Corey Booker should be in the mix. I really want to see young feature leaders of the Democratic party showcased at this convention.

      • 78 nathkatun7
        September 7, 2011 at 2:55 am

        I must be loosing it. I, of course, I can always blame confusing words like “feature” and “future” on age! Any way, I meant to say “young future leaders of the Democratic party….”

  13. September 6, 2011 at 9:23 pm

    So twitter is all a-twiitter that PBO will propose a $300B jobs package. WOW!!

    • September 6, 2011 at 9:24 pm

      That’s $300B in tax cuts and fed spending. We’ll see…..

      • 81 vero804
        September 6, 2011 at 9:28 pm

        Yeah, we’ll see but it’s necessary. I hope the tax cut part is small, though. I don’t think it’s as stimulative as getting folks working and being productive.

        • September 6, 2011 at 9:33 pm

          Payroll tax cut extension would be my guess. Tax cuts to the worker not the corporation type of tax cuts. I think this is going to be filled with stuff that the GOP usually backs. Infrastructure spending usually has bi-partisan support historically as well and it’s spending America will have to do now or later, but it’s not something you can say “That’s unnecessary – we can’t afford it now”. Because it’s like saying your roof is leaking but you say we’ll fix it in two years when we have the money for it – because by than your whole house will be wrecked.

          • 83 vero804
            September 6, 2011 at 9:47 pm

            I can honestly say I have no idea. I’m thinking they’ll be some big takeaway from his speech that none of us could’ve guessed.

        • September 6, 2011 at 9:34 pm

          HEY bud, where you been? Hope everything is going well and you’re busy. I’m still fighting the good fight!!

          • 85 vero804
            September 6, 2011 at 9:50 pm

            I trust that you’re still fighting not only the good fight, but the necessary fight! I’m extremely busy with work and other stuff…but I’m always lurking and reading and staying in the game. We’ve got some important local elections and work to do in order to give Eric Cantor a run for his money here in VA. I’m hoping to be able to take off the time and volunteer at the convention, though. Charlotte’s not too far from me to make the drive.

            • September 6, 2011 at 9:54 pm

              I would LOVE love love to see Cantor get whipped. I really hope you get to volunteer at the convention. Phenomenal experience in 2008. Met so many great people and saw a lot of behind-the-scenes Dem goings on. I found myself just signing up today out of habit, even though it’s so far away!!

      • 88 Bobfr
        September 6, 2011 at 9:39 pm

        If any of it’s true, and we all know that President Obama is not about to allow leaks of his core proposal, what he has indicated before that he will support is an extension of the payroll tax cut and extension of expiring jobless benefits. The projected cost is in the $ 150 – 170 B range to do that, and it is beyond doubt that those are elements in what he will propose – those steps are essentially and politically very difficult to oppose (though the GOT – grand old teabag will do so).

        Beyond that, I think we may all be surprised by the scope of what he will offer because he actually has a number of potent ways to bring considerable pressure on American corporations to begin re-building American commerce with fairly compensated American employees.

        Since I respect the intelligence of our President, I’m not about to presume he isn’t way ahead of anything I might offer as a recommendation, though I have delivered very specific suggestions to him with the caveat of humility in doing so.

        Yes.We.Can. … DO.More.Together!

    • September 6, 2011 at 9:29 pm

      Supposedly HuffPo and Politico believe they have the plan.

    • 96 ChristiMtl
      September 6, 2011 at 9:25 pm

      This is good,!

      • 97 Uche
        September 6, 2011 at 11:34 pm

        Another reason why I believe the msm is in the tank for the GOP!….why isn’t anyone playing this clip in a continuous loop like they did the health-care debate?. People getting thrown out by cops for expressing dissent!….unreal!!

    • 98 mtmarilyn
      September 6, 2011 at 11:01 pm

      Thanks for sharing. Funny how during the health care town halls the people could yell all they wanted to and got all over TV and this year people get thrown out. where is the democracy.

  14. 99 Bobfr
    September 6, 2011 at 9:25 pm

    ‘Without the Mill there is no Town”

    http://charlesfaddis.wordpress.com/2011/09/07/without-the-mill-there-is-no-town/

    We know our President Obama gets this, comprehensively. That’s why he saved GM and Chrysler. That’s why he insists on expanding advanced battery and other forms of clean energy manufacturing – in the US, not ‘out sourced’ elsewhere.

    Yes.We.Can. … DO.More.Together!

  15. September 6, 2011 at 9:30 pm

    Teabaggers are gonna HATE this documentary, LOL. Too bad — it’s recorded history now! :mrgreen:

    • 101 JoJothecat
      September 6, 2011 at 9:51 pm

      I watch the 9/11 documentary where Bush KNEW the first plane flew into the WTC. He went into that class room smiling and going along with the kids. When Andy Card told him a 2nd plane hit the WTC his face changed because this time he was on film to record his expression. How that man sat there for 7 minutes going from happy to stowic how did he think no one would notice the change in his demeanor. I think Bush was scared out of him pants and did not know what to do. When the word got out and the school personnel watch it on Teevee, they asked him to come into the other room to see what was going on in NY. They said he hardly said anything then they left. He said he could not reach anyone at the WH? WTF? We were being attacked and he could not reach anyone at the WH? That was the first time I really paid attention to that 9/11 documentary and how Bush and Cheney and all those liars just made stuff up to make themselves look good. The American people were sold a bill of crappy goods when they ram the meme “they kept america safe” . The Hell they did. We were attacked on THEIR watch and they want to go down in history as heros. Not as long as I have a voice.

      • September 6, 2011 at 9:56 pm

        I agree. Shameful. Ten years has given a lot of perspective, and the more we look at the events of that day, the worse the Bush/Cheney cabal looks. History will continue to be unkind. Come to find out last week that Cheney’s “undisclosed location” was Camp David. WTF. Just like the draft-dodger he was during Vietnam, he was hiding away when the country came under fire. 👿

  16. September 6, 2011 at 9:32 pm

    TODville, just got off a national conference call with OFA and David Axelrod. Anybody else on?

    Here are the my notes of the highlights of David’s talk:

    I’m not involved because I love my fiend but because I love my country

    RFK said, “The future is not a gift but an achievement”
    The way we do this is through our leaders
    PBO is a vehicle
    it’s through the actions of all of us that he was elected
    because of you we’ll have all our troops home from Iraq
    because of you we passed comprehensive health reform
    because of you there are 2 wonderful women on the Supreme Court

    None of us knew the depth of economic crisis
    nor the implacable nature of the opposition

    PBO not only wants to recover but to restore the economic security of our country
    not only address the hollowing out of the middle class
    but the long term need to educate our work force
    invest in R & D
    rebuild our country

    this is not just about the election of one remarkable president
    but about achieving what’s necessary for our progress

    Axe talked about the recent revelation about the Koch Bros and their calling PBO “Saddam Hussein”

    When asked about what to say to those that are unhappy about PBO?
    Take pride in what has been accomplished against tremendous odds & opposition
    the stakes could not be bigger at this time
    We can’t have an economy that benefits only a small band of fortunate people
    we want everyone to live the life they want to live
    Not so much about PBO but what kind of country do we want?
    Don’t let frustrations we all share overcome the possibilities that we all want to share

    The Republican notion that cutting everything will lead to a better future is an easy slogan
    Our mission, our goal is not just to recover from this recession but to achieve the worthy goal of helping middle class to economic security
    Rs want to roll back reform but we don’t want to go back to hidden credit card fees and mortgage tricks
    If you fight alongside us we can win these fights
    Axe said he hopes to be able to meet with many of us as he travels the country

    “We can’t do it without you and we cant be stopped with you”
    Don’t pay attention to pundits or pols just do your work and fight for the country you believe in

    PBO’S PHRASE: GUARD THE CHANGE

    We are all guards and guardians for change.

    ###

    I’m FIRED UP!! READY TO GO!!

    • September 6, 2011 at 9:38 pm

      Wow. Thanks for the report.

    • September 6, 2011 at 9:41 pm

      Sorry, that first sentence should read, “FRIEND” not “fiend.” LOLz.

    • September 6, 2011 at 9:43 pm

      Magnificent Meta, thank you so much for the report. ‘Guard the Change’ is perfect, love it 😉

      • September 6, 2011 at 10:02 pm

        I know! That went straight to my heart.

        You know, the feeling you get when you’re on these kinds of call is the deep, deep sincerity of those involved, especially at the highest levels, including, of course, PBO. I remember a call in 2008 when we were suddenly interrupted by an Air Force One operator who said, “President Obama is on the line.” We heard a bunch of swoooshing and crackling noises and then – BOOM! Reggie Love was on saying, “The POTUS is ready to speak to you now.” Then BOOM! There was PBO talking to us in his sweetest voice. Thanking us and rallying us to fight harder. From AF1. Hitting air pockets and in a kind of cone of supernatural communication. It’s just amazing.

    • 114 vero804
      September 6, 2011 at 9:52 pm

      Thanks! I think the line about not letting frustrations get the better of us is important. I’m certainly frustrated, but I have made sure I don’t allow my frustrations to diminish my advocacy for this president when I’m out and about.

    • 115 a4alice
      September 6, 2011 at 9:53 pm

      thanks meta!

    • September 6, 2011 at 10:02 pm

      Phenomenal. Thanks for filling us in, meta! You rock. :mrgreen:

    • September 6, 2011 at 11:19 pm

      I was on the call, too, and you summed it up perfectly. It was beautiful and inspiring.

    • 118 gcwp1
      September 6, 2011 at 11:57 pm

      Thank you so much Meta. I am completely burned out at second and third hand reports with dubious authenticity and corporate self centered agendas. I have been involved in politics since I was a teen (light years ago) and I have never wirnessed the complete ease with which people lie these days. It is anti-thetical to everything we try to teach in the classroom.

    • 120 theo67
      September 7, 2011 at 12:10 am

      Excellent – thanks for the detailed summary, Meta!

    • 121 nathkatun7
      September 7, 2011 at 1:53 am

      Thanks meta for sharing this! Really fired me up! I don’t care what any one says, but President Obama has some of the smartest people supporting and advising him.

  17. 122 Left-Indie
    September 6, 2011 at 9:37 pm

    You’re right StR about Rubio. He is in play for the Gopers in one fashion or another. Though they pushed Obama on toughening up on the border and illegal immigration–he has now deported them more than any recent president–I bet they would still use that fact to rile up the Hispanics, while getting no credit from the anit-immigrant types. Oh, well.

    • September 6, 2011 at 9:42 pm

      That will be used against the President by agent provocateur’s pretending to be from the left in the Latino community. The fact of the issue is that comprehensive immigration reform will be written and passed in 2013 – The only question is who will write it. I’d personally want President Obama and a Dem House and Dem Senate to write it. That will mean working hard for President Obama and winning some house seats that we shouldn’t probably win in the south/south west.

    • 124 hopefruit2
      September 6, 2011 at 11:00 pm

      Latinos are not likely to vote GOP simply because of Rubio anymore than Blacks are going to vote GOP because of Cain. Rubio has a drug-dealing family among other problems. Who wants to vote for that?

      Second of all, Hispanics are not going to be listening to the PL who do not have their interests but only pretend to. It was the Hispanic vote that kept Harry Reid in the senate in 2010.

  18. 126 Left-Indie
    September 6, 2011 at 9:48 pm

    Obviously. But we gotta get the politics right.

  19. September 6, 2011 at 10:02 pm

    Hi TOD Family, I was watching the news this morning in Sydney (beautiful spring morning) where they showed a clip of the Texas fires and how very few were ‘contained’. It made me wonder about those other disasters where the media and GOP put unrealistic demands directly on President Obama to fix it. They’re always quick to blame it on him and how they would show a silly running clock or countdown timer to dramatise their point. So I just tweeted the following

    “Where’s the Media’s on-air Timeclock similar 2 the oil spill for the Gov of Texas to control and stop his State from burning? ” #MEDIAFAIL

    Keep up the good work people. Obama/Biden 2012!

    • 128 theo67
      September 7, 2011 at 12:16 am

      Great points, Berny! Compare the so-called “disaster/crisis management” from Perry against the entirely capable and calm real disaster/crisis from President Obama. There is no comparison. People need to look at the way Perry is basically standing back and doing nothing to help his people, and the frantic mumbo-jumbo from Romney today – and realize those are the top contenders that the GOP has put forward to take over from President Obama. Really?

      And yes, where is the live camera feed and countdown clock showing how Perry is solving this crisis in his state, like the media has done to President Obama on basically every issue that has popped up, never giving him credit for solving every single issue that has popped up.

  20. 129 Jenny
    September 6, 2011 at 10:10 pm

    You know what makes me laugh: the PL goes on and on and on about how much they hate the Democratic Party, yet they’ll all attend the convention.

    • 130 nathkatun7
      September 7, 2011 at 2:01 am

      Good point, Jenny! If they hate the Democrats so much why are they going to the Democratic convention? May be they are going to the convention to promote division and discord, and thus further undermine President Obama. The PL just can’t be trusted.

  21. 132 Cos
    September 6, 2011 at 10:13 pm

    Why do they keep dragging bob Herbert from under the mothballs saying the same old sh!!?

  22. 134 desertflower
    September 6, 2011 at 10:14 pm

    Guard the Change is good. Look what COULD HAPPEN if we don’t !!!!!!!!!! Must Read.
    http://extremeliberal.wordpress.com/2011/09/06/we-all-have-a-choice-in-the-2012-election/

    • September 6, 2011 at 10:34 pm

      “Guard the Change” also means they’re going to run on their accomplishments – which I think is very important. Also it could be some 11th dimensional chess (I really do hate that but it applies here) where they’re sticking Romney a bit as by indicating they’re going to run on HCR the GOP will feel the need to have somebody that could run against it – and Romney can’t. Because as much as I like “Guard the change” I think the 2012 election equally needs to be about new ideas and looking forward. “Guard the change” is more back-looking and saying that we likely won’t get anything big done going forward so it’s just about protecting what we did.

      • September 6, 2011 at 10:47 pm

        Don’t misunderstand. “Guard the change” is also about guarding the very concept of CHANGE. Moving forward, not retreating back to the decade of W Bush. It’s taking quite a long time for everyone to get it, but change takes time.

      • 137 prettyfoot58
        September 7, 2011 at 12:30 am

        GUARD THE CHANGE…..

        DEFEND THE REVOLUTION…

        THE STRUGGLE CONTINUES….

        THIS IS WHY IT IS SO IMPORTANT TO GET YOUNG PEOPLE INVOLVED….TO KEEP THE MOVEMENT MOVING…TO HAVE PEOPLE PREPARED TO TAKE OUR PLACES….

        ONCE SOMETHING IS ACCOMPLISHED THAT IS NOT THE END OF IT….WE ARE IN A BATTLE FOR THE VERY FREEDOMS THAT WE MAY HAVE TAKEN FOR GRANTED….IN MANY STATES…OUR RIGHT TO VOTE IS BEING IMPEDED….IMAGINE THAT….THERE IS A PLAN TO DISENFRANCHISE VOTERS…THERE IS A PLAN TO KEEP UNEMPLOYMENT HIGH….TO END MEDICARE….TO CHALLENGE THE ROLE OF GOVERNMENT TO HELP THOSE WHO CANNOT HELP THEMSELVES….EG: THE VICTIMS OF NATONAL DISASTERS…THERE IS A PLAN TO DESTROY UNIONS AND THEREBY THE MIDDLE CLASS….

        THE PRESIDENT HAS SAID IT AND NOW AXE HAS SAID IT….

        THIS IS A FIGHT FOR THE AMERICA THAT IS FOR ALL THE PEOPLE AND NOT JUST A FEW…AND THIS IS OUR FOCUS AND THIS IS WHAT WE SAY TO THOSE FOLKS WHO HAVE BEEN DISCOURAGED….WE HAVE TO INSPIRE AND GIVE HOPE….THAT WE CAN WIN THAT AMERICA…

        FIREDDDDDDDD UP…..READY TO GO

    • 139 COS
      September 6, 2011 at 11:10 pm

      The gentleman on Lawrence O’Donnell said that Texas are calling firemen back from retirement and asking them to volunteer. I want Rick Perry to answer questions about the big problem of citizens having no health care and how and what did he do to create jobs not associated with the oil companies.

      • 140 COS
        September 6, 2011 at 11:12 pm

        OOps meant “Texas is”.

      • September 6, 2011 at 11:18 pm

        Texas Gov. Rick Perry Cut Fire Department Funding by 75%

        According to KVUE-TV, the state of Texas, under Gov. Rick Perry, cut state funding for the volunteer fire departments that protect most of the state from wildfires. Firefighters have actually been dipping into their own pockets to fight fires.

        Volunteer departments that were already facing financial strain had their funding cut from $30 million to $7 million. There are 879 volunteer fire departments in Texas; 114 are paid fire departments, while 187 departments are a combination of volunteer and paid.

        At a press conference Monday, Perry promised to seek federal disaster relief and said that FEMA would be in the state by Wednesday.

        While the Texas governor has been highly critical of FEMA in the past, he dodged questions from CBS’ Erica Hill on Tuesday’s ‘Early Show,’ insisting that now was not the time to worry about reforming the agency.

        http://www.opposingviews.com/i/politics/2012-election/texas-gov-rick-perry-cut-fire-department-funding-75

        So, guess what? Texas relies on a volunteer fire department. Seriously! And then Perry cut their funding by 75%. No leadership in this mess.

        • 142 utaustinliberal
          September 6, 2011 at 11:30 pm

          Yep. I was so disgusted today when the radio stations and news stations were begging people who had firefighter experience or who knew how to fight a fire to please come and help. Volunteer fire department. That’s what we’re reduced to here in Texas. I so badly want Perry to win the nomination. We need a democrat as Governor and a democratic legislature because Perry and the GOP are killing us here in Texas. They’ve drastcially cut education funding, Medicaid funding, laid off truck loads of teachers, made environmental laws beyond lax. It’s a hell-hole. Thank goodness for Austin and the University of Texas. At least I can remain sane amidst a sea of democrats.

        • 143 LunarSea
          September 7, 2011 at 12:03 am

          And when fighting the fires makes the volunteers ill because they didn’t have the right protective gear because the budget was so drastically slashed, will they have to spend 10 years fighting for health care?

    • September 7, 2011 at 12:27 am

      “Dick.”

      df, yeah, Gov Rick “GoodHair” Perry, truly, is that and more!

      Like Tom Delay, he needs to be fully investigated, stand trial, convicted, and if not “thrown under the jail,” thrown in jail to “never to see the light of day”…

      For too long, he, literally, has “gotta away w/murder”…Grrr! 😡

      And, while WE are at it, let’s “throw those jail keys away!” 😉

      MEET RICK PERRY… http://www.meetrickperry.com/

      YES.WE.CAN…DO.(Much)More, Together!

  23. September 6, 2011 at 10:54 pm

    Hey I am trying to find Biden speech in Ohio. Can anyone point me to the full tape? They said it was really really good. I love good ole populist joe. He can be the fire to obama’s coolness.

  24. September 6, 2011 at 11:07 pm

    I live in Charlotte and one of the local tv stations covered the opening ceremony live http://bit.ly/r241qr

  25. 148 halo
    September 6, 2011 at 11:13 pm

    a $300 billion plan, of which $170 billion is just tax cuts and only 50 billion is infrastructure, is not a “bold” plan. i hope these reports are wrong.

    We have over a TRILLION dollars worth of infrastructure that needs to be revitalized. $50 billion is just a depressing number.

    • September 6, 2011 at 11:25 pm

      Where’s the other $80B??

      • 150 halo
        September 6, 2011 at 11:37 pm

        My mistake. It’s not even 50 billion. It’s going to be less than that.

        “The White House is also considering a tax credit for businesses that hire the unemployed. That could cost about $30 billion. Obama has also called for public works projects, such as school construction. Advocates of that plan have called for spending of $50 billion, but the White House proposal is expected to be smaller.”

        Why does he always do this?! He always pre-negotiates with himself when he knows full well the GOP will never agree to his original number!! If this is his idea of a jobs plan, then his political advisers need to be fired. They have NO idea of the anxiety and anger that is out there is the country. The public will say they care about the deficit, but they care about jobs MORE. And they will take a plan that creates jobs in a heartbeat. More tax cuts will not create jobs. It will only give people a lifeline to tread water until the normal business cycle returns in about two years.

        If you know youll be opposed at every turn, why go SMALL? Go BIG.

        • 151 hopefruit2
          September 6, 2011 at 11:44 pm

          Have you heard the president’s speech, or are you reacting based on media “reports?”

          You seem to put more faith in the media than you do in the President – I do have concerns about this.

          • 152 halo
            September 6, 2011 at 11:54 pm

            Hopefruit, these reports were leaked to the media by top officials at the WH. That is how the WH works with the media. It’s how they get their message out to lay the groudnwork for their plans or throw out trial balloons.. The AP and the NYT are not tabloid rags. They are th emain avenues into the media bloodstream. It’s always been that way.

            We’ve seen this over and over. From “no public option” to “extension of bush tax cuts” to the “only spending cuts deal in the debt ceiling,” whenever we got leaks to reputable news outlets, they turned out to be true. I was okay with the compromises he made on the previous three. He was put in a tough position and made the best deal he could with kamikaze artists.

            But this Jobs Plan is HIS! He has control oever what to put out. He’s dealt with the Teabaggers in Congress and knows they won’t do anything he wants. So why not go for broke? Sure he might get the tax cuts, but people won’t know he wants a huge infrastrcuture program if he’s putting less than 50 billion on the table. Again, independents don’t care about “spending vs. deficits.” They care about JOBS and EFFECTIVENESS.

            Lastly, why they would go with these inadequate numbers the day before the GOP debate where he’ll be hammered with stupid “more spending” rhetoric anyway is mind boggling.

            • 153 Desraye
              September 7, 2011 at 12:01 am

              The AP an the NYT probaby took the original article (which is from bloomberg news) and ran with it. They always do it. If Jay Carney did not give any detail on the president’s job plan, what make you think that a white house aid did. You never believe anything that’s not source.Geez

              • 154 halo
                September 7, 2011 at 12:06 am

                Bloomberg News is one of the most reputable news sources in the business.

                AP, NYT, Bloomberg, Reuters, WSJ

                • 155 Desraye
                  September 7, 2011 at 12:22 am

                  Its also has a conservative rag because it covers Wall Street. The Wall Street Journal is owned by Rupert ” I owned FoxNews” Murdock. AP is owned by a Republican. The New York Times promoted the Iraq War never question the Bush Administration failure of Iraq.

                  And once again did you see was there a source for this info in the article or you just read the headline. Please stop with the hair-on fire comments.

                  • 156 halo
                    September 7, 2011 at 12:36 am

                    I’m sorry that youhave such a paranoid view of the media, but Bloomberg is not a conservative rag. It is straight news that also covers financial news (very well I might add). It does an excellent job. The WSJ news section is also straight news. Its editorial page is not. The NYT news section is the gold standard, while its editorial page tilts heavy left.

                    “According to people familiar with the White House deliberations” means either David Plouffe, Bill Daley, or eocnomic advisers like Gene Sperling or Jack Lew or staffers who were told to leak those plans to the media. All those quotes last year with the same description of sources or one of those “anonymous person because not authorized to speak” were Rahm Emanuel or his handlers. All those quotes pushing for more troops in Afghanistan were from the Pentagon tryign to box in PBO. That’s just how the business works. Nothing paranoid about it.

                    • September 7, 2011 at 12:43 am

                      “The WSJ news section is also straight news.”

                      You do realize the WSJ is owned by Rupert Murdoch?

                      Its news is as straight as a snake with tummy cramp.

                    • 158 Desraye
                      September 7, 2011 at 12:47 am

                      “According to people familiar with the White House deliberations”

                      LOL It gave no names did it. Who is the people that they are suggesting could be anyone. Bloomberg News is pro-busines, pro-republican.Wall Street Journal is owned by Rupert should said it all. If you still read the rag The Wall Street Journal you truly are lost.

                    • 159 utaustinliberal
                      September 7, 2011 at 12:54 am

                      You know what Halo? Enough. Enough is enough. You were the one who began the BS on friday with mindless unnecessary handwringing, ultimatums thrown at PBO and his advisors, and anxiety ridden posts. So the NYT, Bloomberg News and WSJ say that they heard this news from “sources” and you automatically accuse Plouffe, Daley, or Sperling of the ones who blabbed about BS that some newspaper says is supposedly true? Unlike you, PBO isn’t into theatrics. He wants to get jobs, grow the economy, and put people back to work. He’s not some ultra left wing nut who’s going to propose a plan that looks ridiculous with extreme demands just so it can sastisfy emoprogs, firebaggers, and the PL. If you want theatrics then please go worship at the altar of Jane Hamsher, Ed Schultz, Adam Green, Glenn Greenwald, and Markos Moulistsas. When the hell did NYT, Bloomberg News, and crying out loud that conservative hack job WSJ ever not have an agenda? PBO gave a fantastic labor day speech and what does the media do? Pluck out crap from their collective asses so that people like you can freak out and try to make us freak out too over hearsay. Well you know what? You and them have FAILED! I would suggest you put down the coffee, please switch to de-caf and stop the endless, mindless, handwringing, panicking, and running around like a headless chicken. Because I and many others are tired of your up and down wishy washyness and refuse to indulge anymore of this nonsense. Enough is enough!

                • 160 theo67
                  September 7, 2011 at 12:26 am

                  I’m a little confused. You seem upset over the leaked reports of a smaller jobs bill because you don’t think it’s big enough to solve the problems, but you’re also upset that the President is reported to be presenting a plan that might actually pass versus a plan that has absolutely no chance of passing. So essentially, the leaked passable plan is too small, so he should present a plan that is destined not to pass just so that it’s out there?

                  I’m just going to wait to hear what the President actually says. Two days to go. I’m sure there will be plenty of exploding heads after the speech, even if he proposes a $10 trillion plan.

                  • 161 halo
                    September 7, 2011 at 12:41 am

                    Hi Theo,

                    No, I’m saying that why go small to begin negotiations when it’s going to be blocked anyway or whittled down to a much smaller number, which then won’t even really have an impact. Almost 200 billion of tax cuts and only $50 billion of infrastructure just isn’t going to do it. That’s not a jobs plan.

                    And the idea that PBO’s plan will be passed as $300 billion if thats what he proposes is just not plausible. THe GOP will scream their heads off that it’s too much and make it much smaller. So why not at least PROPOSE something thats economically smart, can have an impact, force the GOP to block it or at least negotiate soemthing down to something smaller but larger than what he apparently is proposing now to begin with?

                    • 162 Desraye
                      September 7, 2011 at 1:08 am

                      You act like this is his actual stimulus proposal. It was not a source available for this info, so why get upset. You are behaving exactly the way the MSM wanted you to behave when they released this article. Please stop letting the MSM control how you feel.

                    • 163 nathkatun7
                      September 7, 2011 at 3:33 am

                      Halo:

                      Why not wait for the President to outline his real proposal before embarking on pants on fire, the sky is falling, rants attacking his alleged proposal? Is it really too much to ask that you not buy into everything the MSM says — including planted rumors aimed at creating more divisions among Democrats — before you hear from the President? Why do you think you know more of what should be done, given the political environment, than President Obama? Have you ever dealt with, or negotiated with, intransigeant right wingers who care less about wrecking the economy, so long as they think that that is their path to defeating you and regaining the presidency?

                      By the way when do you plan to run for President so that you can show us how to effectively negotiate with this insane right wing teabag party, masquerading as the Republican party? With all due respect, I just don’t know why you think we should listen to you before we listen to the President we voted for to represent us. I am for waiting to see what the President proposes before stating my views. I am also going to evaluate his proposals in the context of the political environment he has to operate in. I want to see plans that can be enacted to facilitate job creation. I am not at all interested in grandstanding just to make the purity progressives happy. Most of the purity progressives have jobs. A great many are quite well off. So they have very little to sacrifice by claiming to stand on principle. The same is not true of unemployed workers. If, for example, the President can find a way of bargaining with the insane teabaggers, to put to work a million or so Construction workers, that will be a step in the right direction that I will root for.

        • 164 Desraye
          September 6, 2011 at 11:48 pm

          There is no source to this. Cam down.

        • 165 GOVCHRIS1988
          September 6, 2011 at 11:54 pm

          You know what, KISS MY ASS HALO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You ain’t heard SHIT, but you wanna rely on some goddamn hearsay all the fuckin time. Its the same shit story from you hard left assholes that seem to always favor disappointment instead of progress. You know what Halo, DON’T VOTE FOR HIS ASS!!!!!! If it means support from wishy washy ass pussies like you who seem not to give a GODDAMN IF ANOTHER REPUBLICAN DUMBASS GETS INTO OFFICE, FUCK IT!!!!!! Bye!!! I’m sorry everyone, but this hardened solemn belief in the corporate media while President Obama doesn’t get dick benefit of the doubt bullshit REALLY pisses me the fuck off.

          If you need to delete, I understand, but I had to get this off my chest.

          • 166 halo
            September 7, 2011 at 12:14 am

            GOVCHRIS, first of all, if you think I’m “hard left” then you don’t know me so don’t give me that BS. Secondly, I don’t have to defend my PBO credentials to you. All I’ll say is: Staunch supporter since 2004. Anyone on this blog can attest to that.

            Good night.

            • 167 GOVCHRIS1988
              September 7, 2011 at 12:23 am

              A staunch supporter wouldn’t believe bullshit from the same press trying to destroy the man. Staunch supporter wouldn’t believe then feed bullshit PL narratives like open ended calls to “lead” and “be bold”.Staunch supporter my charcoal black ass.

            • 168 prettyfoot58
              September 7, 2011 at 12:42 am

              HEYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY EVERYONE….WHY ARE WE TURNING ON EACH OTHER…..I THINK WE SHOULD LISTEN TO EACH OTHER WITH OUT ATTACKING….WHAT IS THE POINT OF THAT……WHY ARE WE SO QUICK TO POUNCE ON EACH OTHER…..WHY CAN’T WE LISTEN TO EACH OTHER…RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE….WE NEED EACH OTHER….

              THIS IS A LONG STRUGGLE….THE STAKES ARE HIGH…..

              AND THESE ARE REPORTS….AND AS ALWAYS…THE MSM HAS NOT PROVEN TO BE A FRIEND OF THE PRESIDENT… .
              WE WON’T KNOW WHAT THE PRESIDENT IS PROPOSING TIL WE HEAR IT FOR OURSELVES…

              BUT HEAR THIS TODers WHATEVER IT IS…BIG OR SMALL….I WILL SUPPORT IT…AND STRUGGLE FOR IT…

              BECAUSE THIS IS MY PRESIDENT AND I BELIEVE IN HIM……….

              THE STRUGGLE CONTINUES

          • September 7, 2011 at 12:44 am

            This is way over the line. Way over it.

            • 170 GOVCHRIS1988
              September 7, 2011 at 1:36 am

              To hell with over the line. Saint, you can argue with that damn door. I’m sorry, but I told the truth here and am not backing down. Ever since Halo arrived here, it has been nothing but negative, negative, negative. If I wanted that, I would have stayed at DailyKos. I didn’t come here for that. Numerous times, we make the points and numerous times, he ignores em like some 2 year old demonseed. No, it wasn’t way over the line. They want to use Harry Truman’s line,”They can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen” This applies to Halo. When you offer nothing but negativity here, what are you doing here? Don’t tell me this is constructive criticism, its not.

      • 173 utaustinliberal
        September 6, 2011 at 11:42 pm

        I’m not going to believe any of the reports about the $300 billion plan. I’m not going to particpate in mindless handwringing or say that PBO’s plan isn’t “bold” when we don’t friggin know what the plan is. He hasn’t given his speech yet Halo so calm the freak down! I’m not going to demand that PBo do this or that. He’s a freaking adult and you would be wise Halo, to wait and hear the speech from the horses mouth instead of listening to idiotic pundits.

        Anyways, did anyone watch the History Channel’s “Targeting Bin Laden” special that featured a dramatization of the events that occurred during the kill or capture raid? PBO has balls of steel and his NS team are top-notch. The mission was meticulously planned, no leaks to the gasbag GOP media, there was contingency plan after contingency plan, the nuts and bolts of every aspect of the mission would have made me a wreck, Seal Team 6 has nerves of steel. That was a dangerous, dangerous mission where the slightest mistake or error could have resulted in the loss of multiple lives and the odds given to PBO by his NS team and the Red team weren’t good at all and after considering all the intel and further consulting with his NS team, PBO still went in. What a brave, brave courageous leader.

        • 174 hopefruit2
          September 6, 2011 at 11:51 pm

          I agree with you about the media reports about PBO’s jobs plan. If President Obama had decided to let the media or congress know that he was planning to take down OBL, I guarantee you that BL would still be alive and well today, and instead of preparing for a presidential jobs speech, this entire country would be under a major terror alert for this weekend.

          To those people who are easily manipulated by the corporate media into not trusting the President, I feel bad for you and I really hope that you take a step back and consider the numerous times the media has “reported” stuff about PBO that has turned out to be dramatically FALSE.

        • 175 Desraye
          September 6, 2011 at 11:52 pm

          “He’s a freaking adult and you would be wise Halo, to wait and hear the speech from the horses mouth instead of listening to idiotic pundits. ”

          Amen. It was not from a pundit, it was a article from bloomberg news. The author saids 300 billion, but the never tell where the source came from. The also concluded at the end of article that Jay Carmey did not give details. The article should have never been written.

    • September 6, 2011 at 11:52 pm

      GOP is going to block it anyways. That is really the point. If President Obama went big than the GOP could say “too much spending”, I suspect the jobs bill will all be GOP friendly ideas – ideas that they’ve historically supported. And they’ll block it – This is about showing how the GOP is in complete sabotage mode.

      Of course we haven’t even heard the speech and this could all be smoke and mirrors if there is any truth to this even, with the administration leaking wrong info.

      I won’t be disappointed even with the $300B number because it’s going to be blocked. If you want President Obama to go big – work to get him the house majority back.

      • 177 Desraye
        September 6, 2011 at 11:54 pm

        The article does not mention the source of the info, so it must be smoke and mirrors.

      • 178 halo
        September 7, 2011 at 12:05 am

        StR, I really respect your opinion and understand you do alot of work for the elction of Democrats. Thank you for that. I agree with you on what the GOP will do but that’s not the point. The point is to show leadership. Whatever number PBO puts out, the GOP will say “too much spending.” It oculd be a $100 billion and they’ll say the same exact thing. Just look at the ozone smog decision. PBO pulls th eplug on it, and the GOP says, “Thanks, but it’s not enough. We want more.” They will never say yes.

        So why not go with good economics and put out the jobs plan, one PBO himself is creating, and be creative, and be bold. People will respect that. People will undersatnd what he wants. People can nod their head and say, “Yea, our airports are pretty terrible. We have lots of construction wworkers unemployed. Let’s build America back!” People will know that GOVERNMENT can do good things.

        That is what this is about. To knock people off the noxious idea that government is bad. That government can help create jobs and restore confidence. Muddling through won’t do that.

        Shwoing GOP to be complete sabotage mode hasn’t done anything. They already had poor poll numbers. Poll numbers show that PBO didn’t gain any favoribiity for his handling of the debt ceiling and people blame him anywya for the debt. When you have a bunch of kamikazes willing to destroy themselves to destroy PBO, and make people so frustrated with government that they just give up, you have to FIGHT BACK and give Americans something to believe in.

        • 179 Desraye
          September 7, 2011 at 12:27 am

          Could you please stop believing whatever the MSM puts out. For god sake they trying to set a narrative and you sure are falling for it. Sigh.

        • September 7, 2011 at 12:28 am

          The GOP House numbers are in the teens. So while the President has been pulled down, Congress is much lower. We’re dealing in complete hypotheticals here until we hear the speech with our own ears. $300B is a lot of money – those tax cuts will put $1000 into the pocket of every working American – folks that are most likely to spend it. Regarding the infrastructure spending, it could be part of an infrastructure bank that has been mentioned in the past and I believe something Sen Kerry and Sen Hutchison have co-sponsored. The $50B would be seed money read about it here –

          http://thehill.com/blogs/transportation-report/infrastructure/149539-gop-sen-hutchison-to-co-sponsor-infrastructure-bank-bill-with-kerry

          “The legislation would create an American Infrastructure Financing Authority at an initial cost of about $10 billion. Its objective would be to provide loans and loan guarantees for large infrastructure projects.

          Kerry has stressed that money from the bank would come in the form of loans, not grants.

          “The federal government does no more than 50 percent of the loan,” the senator told The New York Times. “We expect that to leverage $600 billion or so in infrastructure investments over time.”

        • 181 theo67
          September 7, 2011 at 12:37 am

          I have to disagree with you. The President has been talking about the trillions of dollars of infrastructure spending and needed investment in education and innovation for years now. After the debt ceiling debacle and “speechgate”, I can’t see people nodding their heads and praising President Obama for proposing a huge deal that gets knocked down by the same Republicans who have knocked down every single idea put forward to create jobs since Jan 20, 2009.

          The reality is that there are some wavering Republicans who have been vocal in their disappointment with the staunch GOP brick wall. There’s a slight chance that a few of them could be picked off to pass a bill that they’re already on record for having supported, and it may boost their chances with Independents in 2012. The GOP already knows they will have a rough road in the 2012 election – especially after the labor speech yesterday.

          I respect your point of view, but disagree wholeheartedly that making meaningless theatrical gestures has anything to do with “leadership”. Helping real people with real solutions is leadership. And that’s what this President has been doing. He’s got a track record to prove it, and he hasn’t had to be theatrical to get stuff done. Shouldn’t start now.

          • September 7, 2011 at 12:43 am

            I linked to an article above that talks about an Infrastructure Bank that has the support of Sen Hutchison already as she so-sponsored a bill with Kerry to create one. Basically it would leverage $600B over time, but would be loans and repaid in full by States – and they’d only loan half which essentially means that whatever the bank number is would be doubled in the spending it would create.

          • 183 prettyfoot58
            September 7, 2011 at 12:47 am

            making meaningless theatrical gestures has anything to do with “leadership”. Helping real people with real solutions is leadership. And that’s what this President has been doing. He’s got a track record to prove it, and he hasn’t had to be theatrical to get stuff done. Shouldn’t start now.

            RIGHT ONNNNNNNNNN!!

          • September 7, 2011 at 1:38 am

            “…Republicans who have knocked down every single idea put forward to create jobs since Jan 20, 2009…”

            THIS!

            YES.WE.CAN…DO.(Much)More, Together!
            YES.WE.CAN, Again…Obama/Biden 2012!

        • 185 nathkatun7
          September 7, 2011 at 4:12 am

          Are you interested in trying to find away to create jobs for millions of the unemployed people who are suffering? It seems to me that your objective is making a political point about how evil the Republicans are. BTW, I agree with you that Republicans are evil and must be exposed. But I also know that Republicans control the House of Representative and have enough votes in the Senate to stop any action. Any one who is seriously concerned with the plight of the unemployed has to try to figure out how to make progress given the political reality of the evil Republicans controlling the legislative branch of the government. This is the reality the President has to work with.

          The easy way out for the President would be to go around calling Republicans evil and blaming them for high unemployment. Sadly, the likely response from the already hostile media would be that he is so partisan and has done nothing to show leadership in working with the opposition party to solve problems. Millions of people will still be unemployed. And just because the President fumed and blasted the teapublicans is no guarantee that the people who are unemployed will still support him. Many may conclude, based on media memes, that he is putting party and ideology first instead of putting the country first.

          I am absolutely convinced that the way President Obama is going about this is the right way. He is focused on job creation. He is still appealing to the patriotism of Republicans to put the country first before party and ideology. If the Republicans continue their ideological games of saying no to everything, I am convinced that the majority of those unemployed, who will still be suffering, as well as the majority of other decent Americans with jobs, would increasingly know who is the culprit standing in the way of job creation.

      • September 7, 2011 at 11:58 am

        NOW THATS THE PLAN…GIVE HIM A CONGRESS HE CAN WORK WITH!!!!

    • 187 LunarSea
      September 7, 2011 at 12:12 am

      OMG and I heard they’re going to use kitten fur to pave the roads…. and and and ***panting with outrage***

      And they’re rounding up all the grannies…. ***eyes bugging out***

      Someone always arrives just as the media is ratcheting up the rhetoric to go all kamikaze on lib boards. It’s so predictable it’s laughable. Jeeze

      Thanks to everyone for not taking the bait. Bunch of intelligent supporters you all are. Really. I Mean It.

      • 188 halo
        September 7, 2011 at 12:25 am

        OMG, someone expressed their opinion based on previous veracity on the history of all these “media reports.” Quick. Call the cops!

        I’m sorry. I stand by PBO and believe in him, but I stand by America first. And guess what? $300 billion where more than 50% is tax cuts is not a good plan. Even if thats not the exact number, it’s more than likely that that’s in that ballpark and more than likely tax cuts will comprise close to 50% . That’s how these strategic leaks work. Right now, there needs to be direct government spending. We created ZERO net jobs last month and each previous month getting less and less jobs.

        There needs to be a plan that meets the moment and urgency of the crisis. There needs to be a plan to restore confidence ot the American people. What Obama’s people are putting out does not meet that test. He’s not polling in the low 40s for no reason. 70% of the country doesn’t htink we’re heading in the wrong direction for no reason.

        I love that Chipsticks has done so much for PBO and this community. I love that she has allowed open dialogue where we can express our opinions. It’s my belief that the leaked plan is wholly inadequate. Not only that, 300 billion will end up being whittled down to 200 or 150 by the end of a the process.

        • September 7, 2011 at 12:32 am

          Hey Halo, I’m heading for bed now, because you aren’t registered here – and that’s no problem – your posts automatically go in to pending every time, but I’ll release them when I wake up 😉

        • 191 Desraye
          September 7, 2011 at 12:34 am

          There can’t be a leaked plan if there’s no source.You believing something that some corporately owned journalist wrote. You whinig about something that may not be true. Do you know how you sound?

      • 192 Sue in Minnesota
        September 7, 2011 at 12:52 am

        I’m just thinking to myself if the President were to announce of $100 Billion dollar proposal, how the Republican heads would be exploding at the mention of it……what a messy thought.

        Realistically, do you think average Americans would not just absolutely freak out at $100 billion dollars? Americans as whole do not understand the economics of this…but I guarantee you they have been conditioned to believe government overspends. I struggled with economics in college, and I am only marginally smarter about it now. My opinion is of no value as it relates to this. I am conditioned to believe the MSM will make a circus out of of anything, they will twist the good and they will exploit the bad, all for the same effect. I trust President Obama’s leadership, and I like his style of politics. I’ll wait for him to tell us what the plan is. And after he has, I will not be looking to the MSM for their commentary….I’ll be here, and I’ll listen to many contributors here that are smarter than I am and more politically astute.

        And when it is over, I will continue to stand with this President, I will continue to do the things I can do to effect change and I will work as hard as I can, along side others to thwart the wrecking crew that is the Republican party.

      • 193 LunarSea
        September 7, 2011 at 7:33 am

        Some names only post when there is outrage to nurture. I don’t care what the topic is. I will say again, Some names only show when discussions get heated and they are never talked down but rather stand strong in their outrage. Just an observation.

        I declare everyone for president since everyone always has the answers. LMAO

  26. 194 utaustinliberal
    September 6, 2011 at 11:45 pm

    I love PBO’s image looking towards the future and the images of supporters right beside and behind him. Plus the logo is sweet. It screams; We’re a family and we’re in this together for the long haul.

  27. 195 regularguy
    September 7, 2011 at 12:06 am

    Just wanted folks to know: I read TOD every day multiple times. I’m an Obama supporter. I may not post often, but I’m “silently” with all of you who love and admire Prez Obama.

  28. 201 Dudette
    September 7, 2011 at 12:37 am

    Watching re-broadcast of the Targeting Bin Laden piece on the History Channel (thanks again dotster). Africatimes2 got it right – it IS riveting. Think I’ll need to get copies of this for my ex-Green Beret Dad and ex-Marine Brother.


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