chat away

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115 Responses to “chat away”

  1. 1 jacquelineoboomer
    September 2, 2011 at 11:24 am

    That poster is hanging in my hallway!

  2. September 2, 2011 at 11:25 am


    • 4 nintendowii10
      September 2, 2011 at 11:28 am


      I can’t believe I ran into a thread full of professional left talking points. Really guys, REALLY??? If I wanted that garbage, I’d still be posting on Huffington Post.

      Enough of the garbage about Obama’s low poll numbers, enough of the garbage of how he should take the gloves off, enough of the garbage about optics, ENOUGH!!!! President Obama is the man and he’s got this, he didn’t get this far by being naive. We all need to CHILL OUT!!!!

      • September 2, 2011 at 12:05 pm

        Yeah I had to quit reading, sorry freaking out ain’t my cup of tea. We have a long time until election, it would behoove us all, imo, to get our own ground game going.. we should be attacking the media, bitching nonstop at the repubs in congress, not aiming our arrows at the Only Person actually working for us, I’ve never got that- I saw it constantly at Dkos from early days, and it always flummoxed me, still does.

        Anyhoo.. I got things to do, like bother John Boehner and my own teapublican rep. POTUS is doing just fine in HIS JOB.. He doesn’t need any prodding from this citizen.

        But Congress does and the MEDIA is in no way redeemable IMO, but they MUST continuously be put on notice for their Lying ways day in and day out. I’m counting on them to slice and dice POTUS’s speech before he even has one- all in an effort to set a bar thats unattainable… the same damn exact way the PL will be busy earning their $$ all weekend/week prior to the speech. There will be an all out effort to sabotage this speech, count on it and anyone that buys into the BS is allowing themselves to be spun. By the time the night of this speech arrives, the BAR set by the Media, the PL, the Republicans and some others will be so out of line with any sort of reality- that the next headlines are sure to be: POTUS FAILS to GO BIG. Some of this crap is like a bad horror movie- that we alllll know how every scene plays out.. yet we keep playing along.

        Anyway, have a lovely friday everyone.

        • 7 jacquelineoboomer
          September 2, 2011 at 12:16 pm

          Happy Friday, right back atcha.

          Would love to see a general boycott of all the Sunday talk shows, unless somebody great from the administration is on. I only watch Fareed, now, and I’m so much better off for it. Plus, I’m not giving those shows my rating point, if all they do is entertain Republican guests.

          • September 2, 2011 at 12:32 pm

            We;ve been talking boycott on the media for some time.. talkin’. I’m all in for it. at anytime. They are propoganda machines and nothing else- for the republican party & with their token angry Professional $$$Left- as long as that angry leftishness is pointed straight at President Obama. Its a wonder Rev Al got a show.. I’m still not quite ready to call it a win- I want to see where it goes.. but other than that, theres very little actual truth going on.
            Anyway, I boycott them everyday & will carry on- I’ll also happily boycott their sponsors. If we could get organized on this- go after one at a time or do all national tv media for 1 week – an organized American boycott of our media as a statement that we ain’t buying their BS nor will we buy their sponsors products for ONE WEEK.. see how much $$$$$$$$$$ that costs them- for 5-7 days. Millions of $$$ lost. And we make a statement on their bottom line- and we show our power not just to them: But to ourselves.

            • September 2, 2011 at 12:43 pm

              And I’ll add this: If we think the media is full of crap now… give them another 18 months til November 2012- they’ve been flexed their BS muscles non-stop without a call out from US for nearly 3 years- just who do folks believe this election is going to be against? A republican candidate fighting/speaking/defending himself, his party, his record? HellNO- this election will be President Barack Obama vs the Media lying, scheming, spinning on behalf of the Republican candidate, that is exactly why it doesn’t matter one whit who the repub candidate is.. it’;s bloody generic- because it is the Media who is running for this posiition of power- they make and break candidates everyday. Thus far they have not broken Barack Obama. We’d better decide we are bigger and more powerful than our media and flex our own dang muscles way before Nov 2012.

              • September 2, 2011 at 12:47 pm

                and I want to clarify that the media IS the Republican Party- I think the info is already out there that the major national networks are owned by corporations who’ve shown to have paid into repub candidates.. their agenda is republican bias.. I don’t think most of us recognize much space between republicans & the media.

              • 12 RinaX
                September 2, 2011 at 1:06 pm

                Exactly. Right now isn’t anywhere near as bad as it’s going to get. If you’re losing it now, my god, you’re going to be in an asylum somewhere by this time next year. I will say it now, the media will never focus on who the Republican candidate is in a negative way. Never. So just prepare for that now. They’re aren’t focusing on the crazy of the Republican field now, and they’ll ignore it even more once a candidate is selected. If it is a bruising primary, then that candidate will be pumped as being tough to have survived. If it’s a cakewalk, why, that will just show how popular and well-rounded that person is. But the President will be the target of everyone, flat out. No break. If you can’t suck it up now and stay in the fight, then I consider you useless. Fiat out.

        • 14 Puddin'
          September 2, 2011 at 2:57 pm




      • 15 nathkatun7
        September 2, 2011 at 6:55 pm

        I totally agree with you, Nintebdowii10!

    • 16 jacquelineoboomer
      September 2, 2011 at 11:33 am

      Lynn – You got it!

    • September 2, 2011 at 1:57 pm

      Hell yeah indeedy!

      YES.WE.CAN…DO.(Much)More, Together!
      YES.WE.CAN, Again…Obama/Biden 2012!
      I’M IN…FIRED UP & GOIN’! 😉

  3. 18 gcwp1
    September 2, 2011 at 11:28 am

    Chips – You sre the best, but the last thread made me feel a bit too deja vu to other blogs I left. I’ll take a break, but wish you all the best!

    • September 2, 2011 at 11:30 am

      I understand gcwp1, no worries, hopefully we’ll see you again soon.

    • 21 nathkatun7
      September 2, 2011 at 7:22 pm

      I totally agree gc! I clicked at that thread and decided to leave immediately. I Didn’t want to be dragged down in negativity. Please take a break and sometime off. You deserve it. For me, I have so much faith in the President and I know he will do the right thing. I also know know that he contending with some of the most evil people. With that knowledge, I see no need for me to freak out. Any way, my heart and blood pressure can’t afford any freak outs. On the other hand, and despite the thread you referred to, I think Chipsticks is doing such a wonderful job! I feel so blessed to have found this site. I value and respect many people who comment on this site. Most importantly I value and deeply respect Chipsticks for keeping me informed and energized.

      Keep strong GC! Please don’t let some of us, who just can’t help freaking out about any news that appear to be negative, sap your energy and your fearless spirit. BTW, I hope you’ve recovered from Irene. Wishing you the best of health after what yo went through.

  4. 22 Jean
    September 2, 2011 at 11:30 am

    Thanks for the reminder

  5. 23 Fred
    September 2, 2011 at 11:31 am

    from one Carnivak Barker to another 🙄

    Donald Trump: Dick Cheney’s Book Is ‘Very Very Angry And Nasty’

    Rick Perry Is Now Fully Embracing His Belief That Social Security And Medicare Are Unconstitutional

    Gov. Perry Urges Congress to Grant the President Line Item Veto Authority

    North Carolina House Majority Leader Shares Marriage-Banning Optimism With Two Hate Groups

    • 24 nintendowii10
      September 2, 2011 at 11:34 am

      This is the garbage that we need to be aiming our fire at, not at Obama’s low poll numbers, how he should do more about his optics, or whatever professional left/MSM talking points. If only the CBC, Dennis Kucinich, Bernie Sanders, and the other professional left clowns in Congress spent more time pointing this out in the media as opposed to attacking President Obama, we’d be in much better shape.

      • 25 Sue in Minnesota
        September 2, 2011 at 12:00 pm

        Notice how Dennis Kucinich got bumped off the rader, almost immediately. 😯

        • 26 nintendowii10
          September 2, 2011 at 12:10 pm

          It was because it was pointed out that his whole Libya freak out from this past spring was just a fundraising ploy, that it was all about money. And to think that he’s considered a hero amongst the professional left, even though he doesn’t have a record of accomplishments to tout… just baseless symbolism and grandstanding. I’m surprised he’s not a Republican, seeing as he has voted WITH the Republicans on almost every single issue. If anyone was truly a Democrat In Name Only, Kucinich would be one of them.

          • 27 africatimes2
            September 2, 2011 at 12:38 pm

            That just tells you a lot about their judgment. That’s why I don’t hesitate to take them on. They will quickly call PBO names but their heros are dusty as a dirt road.

            And they don’t like to be told that what they are doing is not what all of us want to hear. Last night Keith Olbermann got all mad because he tweeted that PBO rolled over and when I took him on about that, he had the nerve to ask me “What the Hell” I was talking about, after all he did by supporting PBO when others did not take him seriously.

            I responded and asked him if he wanted a crown for supporting PBO back then. That the rudeness to PBO was enough. His gang went after me, but by then I was gone to my son’s football game. When I came back, I responded to everyone of them. The likes of KO like to dish it but they can take it.

            Markos has the nerve to call MSNBC out for Pat Buchanan (who I could care less about) but his own site is filled with ugliness.

            The are just a bunch of hypocrites.

        • 28 jacquelineoboomer
          September 2, 2011 at 12:13 pm

          I’m guilty, too. Already, I had almost forgotten Kucinich was “leading from behind,” in Libya, the rat.

        • 29 Obama Grandmama
          September 2, 2011 at 5:12 pm

          I remember in one of the really early Dem Prez Primary debates in 08 with lots of candidates where Dennis Kucinich sounded reasonable until he got to talking about alien abductions.

    • 32 jacquelineoboomer
      September 2, 2011 at 11:38 am

      You are right, Fred, about Trump: pot, meet kettle.

      My son wanted me to watch Cheney on Hannity’s show last evening, on FOX. So, I took a big gulp and did, for about 10 minutes or so. I never wish any bad luck on anyone, but Cheney looks really bad. He also unplugged the heart-monitor thingie he wears to show Hannity, who immediately said something like, “Plug that back in, sir!” Anyway, Cheney can lie all he wants, but – thank God – he’s not the same threat he was for eight-plus years. He’s just a guy plugging his book, now. (I know he still has influence, but that’s how I personally feel about him.)

  6. 36 Fred
    September 2, 2011 at 11:35 am

    what an asswipe!
    Columnist: Registering Poor To Vote ‘Like Handing Out Burglary Tools To Criminals’

  7. 40 Claire
    September 2, 2011 at 11:36 am

    I hope people will respect your request, otherwise it’s time to start getting rid of some posters. You have repeatedly made this same request and are quite clear about the expectations for commenting on this site. I must say that lately I find myself skipping the comment sections here because some posters shout, are overly repetitive, and unnecessarily domineering.

    • September 2, 2011 at 3:37 pm

      Wow..I haven’t seen any of that. I thought there must be a Mission Statement or something that let posters know what the rules are. All the comments I’ve read have been supportive and so informative of what’s going on Everywhere!

      So are the comments deleted that are professional whiny talking points?

    • 43 Ladyhawke
      September 2, 2011 at 12:01 pm

      Joy Reid weighs in and gives her take on what schedulegate really means. She gives a perfect example of how the left criticism of President Obama just gives aid, comfort and cover to the Republican haters and the MSM.

      What the Boehner-Obama speechgate flap is really about

      And that brings us to the left. It turns out, that part of the reason the GOP leadership can take on board the idea that it will pay no price for crashing through rock bottom in its treatment of President Obama, is that there is a vocal part of the left, including black political leaders and “progressives” — who do it too. Obama has no backstop on the left, and no quarter that reacts loudly when he is attacked. There is no equivalent of RedState.com or the Free Republic or right wing talk radio, which used to go ballistic at the slightest hint of disrespect for President Bush. Quite the converse: the vocal left is as contemptuous of Obama as the vocal right, which clearly gives Republicans more room to push the envelope.

      Al Sharpton made this point on his show tonight. Can you imagine, for instance, members of the Congressional Black Caucus erupting over this incredible rebuke of the president by Mr. Boehner, the way they’ve reacted to the tea party? Can you imagine them going ballistic over this in defense of the president? If you can’t, you’re probably right. Can you imagine the vocal left doing so? Can you imagine, say, Glenn Greenwald or John Aravosis or Adam Green of PCCC doing so? You really shouldn’t be able to, because that would never, ever happen.


      • 44 utaustinliberal
        September 2, 2011 at 12:27 pm

        Thanks for this Ladyhawke. Joy Ann Reid is absolutely 100% correct. Our ire should be at the democrats in congress, the CBC, the PL, and the emoprogs. All they do is yell at President Obama and command him to do this and that. They never have his back. They should be going ballistic over the constant nascent disrespect shown to the President by the GOP. They should be hitting the airwaves and backing the President. They should be holding the media accountable for their part in this and many other debacles. They should be pointing out that the GOP hasn’t produced a single jobs bill in the 9 months they’ve had control. That all they’ve done is block every jobs bill the democrats try to get on the house floor. That the GOP has been blocking a plethora of President Obama’s appointees who are badly needed so that they address the problems facing everyday Americans. They offer no constructive advice. They just want President Obama to be someone he is not. They want him to be a crazy pscycho yelling on tv about this and that. Ask Alan Grayson how that worked out for him. The President has to govern right now. It is up to his base; those who can get on tv and the rest of us to hold the GOP and the media accountable for their convoluted dealings. When it is time to campaign, President Obama will be even fiercer and more powerful than he was in 2008. But until then, it is up to us to make sure that he has a base and inform many other Americans of the splendid job he’s been doing despite the disgusting crap leveled at him from all factions.

        • 45 Debz
          September 2, 2011 at 12:41 pm

          And instead of having his back they tell us he “needs to lead” “he needs to tell us what to do”

        • 46 RinaX
          September 2, 2011 at 1:15 pm

          And this is what’s frustrating me. People here are falling into the exact same trap. It’s because the left has no one who has stepped in behind President Obama to be a consistent voice for good policy. The majority of the vocal left that can actually get media access chose to either stay silent or attack the President because he wasn’t fulfilling their wishlist fast enough. They weren’t there during the stimulus fight, for healthcare, for financial regulation, or any of the budget fights this year. These types have a habit of waiting for September prior to the election to suddenly jump on the bandwagon,but that was too little too late in 2010, and it’s going to be waaaaay too late this time.

          I’ve been struggling for a way to get this out the right way, but I feel that too many of us even here exacerbate this problem by pumping President Obama up into some kind of superman over every conflict big to little, and not always being realistic about what the outcome may ultimately be based on the opposition that he faces. I don’t think a lot of us helped with the “HE GOT THIS!” attitude during the debt ceiling fight, for example. The truth was that the Republicans always held the power, and some here were so sure that he would totally get everything he want, and spread that attitude everywhere, and I think that contributed, at least on the blogs, to viewing the resulting compromise as a defeat, because we didn’t fully keep all options out there and stay realistic about what would come in the end when having to deal with Republicans who have no qualms about destroying the country.

          The President is brilliant, compassionate, ruthless when he needs to be, and above all he puts the country before himself and even the needs of his party if he thinks that’s what’s right. That definitely doesn’t always lend itself to the superhero-type mentality that can invade here at times.

          • September 2, 2011 at 1:37 pm

            See I think the fact that he DOES put country ahead of party & practical ahead of impossible.. makes him damn near a superhero.. but I accept your points as valid Rina. Hes on no pedestal imo.. but he is admired for the coolest cat in a house full of banshees.. and for doing his job- which is what this citizen hired him to do.

        • September 2, 2011 at 1:34 pm

          Absolutely agree with you ut.

      • 52 ChristiMtl
        September 2, 2011 at 12:32 pm

        As long as people continue to pay their cable and not boycott sponsors, nothing will change, it’s a huge propaganda machine and it’s very deliberate why only PL/pumas are invited on these shows to represent the ”left”.

        Whatever the President do, he will be criticize in the media. They will always spin it to the GOP advantage. He doesn’t have to change anything. The population has to change, has to stop paying for their salaries. Has to stop feeding the beast that is the RW media.

        When he gave his budget speech, first thing that came out of Scarborough’s mouth: he disrespected Paul Ryan.
        But on DK, oh, he was the President they voted for!!! The next day, he was a sell out again.

        That’s just noise, Whatever he does, even if he yells at them, the PL/angry left will like him one day, hate him the next for something else.

        They never called Bush weak, he only destroyed the economy, started 2 wars, filled courts with RW nutjobs, but he was never called weak! They have no credibility whatsoever.

        I always go back to this from his mother’s book:

        ”Barry was subjected to teasing about his skin color, from both adults and children. One day, as he ran ahead of his mother and a group of friends, Indonesian kids began to throw rocks and shout racial epithets at him, Scott says. But Barry “seemed unfazed,” and his mother did not react. When a friend offered to step in, Dunham declined. “No, he’s O.K.,” she said. “He’s used to it.”

        So someone can say: mmmm he didn’t face the bullies even back then, he let them abuse him, If his temperament was more like a Chris Christie type lets say, he would have thrown rocks back at them.

        That little boy only became the leader of the free world……..

        • September 2, 2011 at 1:46 pm

          And see- the man picks his battles, he LIKES to win for our sake, for the betterment of the country he was elected to lead. He’ll take the small win over the NOWIN. Not many of us are capable of that- except that we are in reality… we’re all parents, sons, daughters, wives, husbands- we ALL compromise with our families, with our bosses… even with our neighbors. It’s how life is lived if one doesn’t choose to remain in battle motion 24 hours aday. You can bet being called racist names, having stones thrown at him- took its toll- but he rose above it.. which informs us that young Barack Obama was relatively secure in his skin even then.. which informs us further that no one can steal who he is- his identity is not based on who likes/supports/dishes for him.. his identity is what he does and how he gets it done. He’s a grounded soul imo and that is a solid achievement when we live in a climate of wishy-washy hyperbole.

          • 54 Betsy
            September 4, 2011 at 3:21 pm

            I also think this comes from a man who knows he is loved, loved by his mother, grandparents, loved by his wife and children, and by his close circle of friends. He doesn’t need anyone else. This frees him to be the president for the people, for out of the deep love he receives, comes the capacity to love others. Most people don’t have that, and so they spend their time trying to tear that down. It is also why as we freak out from time to time, it is true that “he’s got this”. And he does. It’s why he does not react at all the shit thrown his way and is able to rise above it. It doesn’t mean he isn’t hurt by it, though. No matter what happens, I have personally been enriched by his leadership, educated by his profound knowledge, and inspired by his walking the walk, not just talking it. I feel privileged just to have lived through these historic 3 years so far. No amount of bickering and backbiting is going to change that for me.

      • 55 nathkatun7
        September 2, 2011 at 7:57 pm

        Thanks so much for sharing this, Ladyhawke! Joy Reid, as always, was spot-on in her analysis. I particularly liked this passage:

        “It turns out, that part of the reason the GOP leadership can take on board the idea that it will pay no price for crashing through rock bottom in its treatment of President Obama, is that there is a vocal part of the left, including black political leaders and “progressives” — who do it too. Obama has no backstop on the left, and no quarter that reacts loudly when he is attacked. There is no equivalent of RedState.com or the Free Republic or right wing talk radio, which used to go ballistic at the slightest hint of disrespect for President Bush. Quite the converse: the vocal left is as contemptuous of Obama as the vocal right, which clearly gives Republicans more room to push the envelope.”

        This is precisely what is wrong with the so called Progressive Democrats. The same Progressive Democrats, like CBC and Move-On, who rallied to defend Bill Clinton, have been out constantly attacking and demonizing President Obama. IMO, these “leftists” attacks on the President have emboldened the right wing teapublicans! Of course the MSM have facilitated the whole campaign to demonize, denigrate, and delegitimize, President Obama. Any one who has paid serious attention to the way the WH reporters question the PS, or POTUS during his News Conferences, knows that the MSM really detests President Obama.

  8. 56 Claire
    September 2, 2011 at 11:41 am

    One more thing, it would be nice if people could try to stay on topic. You click on one topic to discuss it and people are all over the place. I understand topic association, but sometimes it would be nice to participate in a discussion about the given topic. Thanks!

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  10. 58 Fred
    September 2, 2011 at 12:01 pm

    Oath Keeper-Backed AZ Mayor Says His Recall Election Was Rigged Thanks To ‘Nazi’ Police Force

  11. 59 Blackwaterdog
    September 2, 2011 at 12:02 pm

    Seems like I upset some people in the previous thread. I thought we are secure enough in our love and support of PBO to speak freely even if it means criticizing him. I apologize. Lesson learned. Have a great holiday weekend.

    • 60 Debz
      September 2, 2011 at 12:09 pm

      It wasn’t you who upset anyone it was the PL agitator.

    • 61 nintendowii10
      September 2, 2011 at 12:16 pm

      BWD, I’ve enjoyed your presence and posting on your own blog, but even your criticism was too much of the same talking points from the professional left, i.e. about how he should forget independents and do everything for optics.

      We need to remember that President Obama isn’t that kind of guy, that he doesn’t do everything for optics or to help his poll numbers, remember one interview where he said he’d rather be an accomplished one termer as opposed to a sucky two termer. He’s not the kind of politician who will stick to petty nonsense that gets nothing done, which is why the healthcare law has no public option (the votes weren’t there), that he had to bump the date for his jobs speech (Rusty taking his cues from Limbaugh).

      I don’t mind criticism of President Obama, but I tire of the “He needs to do this more and less of this” armchair quarterbacking masquerading as criticism.

      • 62 RinaX
        September 2, 2011 at 1:17 pm

        I have to agree. BWD, the problem was that I was just hearing boiler-plate arguments to ‘fight harder’, with no actual concrete suggestions. And as I said on the other thread, I think you all are ultimately just pleading with him to defeat the media and make them play fair, and that’s never going to happen.

      • 63 57andFemale
        September 2, 2011 at 2:15 pm

        I guess I just don’t understand this reasoning. Do we want the President to win reelection? We can’t just ignore what the perceptions are. We cannot stop hearing what our enemies are saying. Just because it doesn’t matter to us and we fully appreciate that this President is more deserving of reelection than almost any President ever, doesn’t mean that everyone else sees what we see.

        So when I’m told to cancel my cable, then I choose to stay uninformed. If I’m concerned about the disillusionment I hear from actual Democrats, I’m told I’m spouting PL talking points.

        We are a little over a year from the 2012 election. It is not treason to pramatism to be concerned about Democrats who don’t bother to vote. We need their vote. We need ‘independents’ to understand the stakes and what Republicans are lying about.

        We are not addressing what rank and file Democrats and independents are concerned about. We decide that my blue collar retired carpetlayer friend living on $28,0000/year with a small pension and Social Security, should be condemned for his unwarranted fears, lump him together with slinkerwink and the other firebaggers. When he and his wife say they don’t understand why Obama blames ‘Congress’ when it’s really Republicans and why doesn’t he call them out, I don’t see Jane Hamsher — I see an unhappy Democrat. How many thousands of people are out there who don’t have a committed progressive like me to explain to them that Obama is not cutting their Social Security. That it’s Republicans who are defunding FEMA, and a host of other issues. I’m willing to do it but it is also the responsibility of the WH and the DNC to establish a narrative and drive the discussion.

        We now have to look at every American as a voter. Stupid stuff like Speech-gate, or the complicated defenses and explanations often required — it gets exhausting. I’m not pleased with Axelrod and Plouffe’s “don’t make waves” advice that I’m seeing played out. It’s not 2007, it’s 2011 and Barack Obama is the duly and overwhelmingly elected President of the United States and some effort to show outrage at the disrespect would be cheered by many Americans. Americans need their leaders to channel their outrage. I’m not saying Obama should be Malcolm X. I’m not saying that the dictates of the way the tea party communicates is anything I want my President to do. He has established he is the only adult in the room very effectively. But voters have a need to see a sharing of their unhappiness on an emotional level, through an emotional connection. We may not like it, but it’s true. We cannot afford to lose votes and everyone has to work together to figure out how to make these people want to vote.

        To discuss this is not treason to our cause. I have a legitimate concern about the effectiveness of what I see sometimes. That does not make me a traitor, it makes me someone who wants this President to win reelection.

        I hate to see pragmatic progressivism become a purity test as well. I used to cry when I’d voice my concerns and get attacked for talking like the PL or called a Republican plant of whatever. I know who I am. I know what I believe. I know that voicing it should not be cause for censorship, but there are real concerns that the party, the WH, the reelection and every Democrat and progressive has to start addressing.

        • 64 nathkatun7
          September 2, 2011 at 9:52 pm

          I also think it’s the responsibility of supporters of President Obama, who are quick to freak out and bash him to show us how else they would deal with the political environment he has to operate in. I forget who said it, but this is observation is spot-on: for President Obama “it’s heads the Republicans win, and tails Obama looses.”

          I don’t think any one should be censored for their views. This is a free country and everyone should be free to criticize the President; including those who support him. But, I also feel that I have a right to critique friends, and supporters of the President, who I think are joining the bandwagon in piling on the President and his advisors. Especially over such silly trivia as whether to address Congress on Wednesday or Thursday; or about the polls.

          I voted for President Obama, in part because he did not tolerate drama, and instead focused on big pictures. So, I am not about to join freak-outs, driven by the MSM media. Nevertheless, at the end of the day, I still respect critics of the President who are not out to demonize him or tell him what to do, but who are genuinely concerned about his re-election. My position is that even when I disagree with the President on a particular issue, I still respect his judgment. With respect to his advisors, I just wanted to remind everyone here that when President Obama won the Presidency, Axelrod and Plouffe were considered geniuses. However, now that his poll numbers are not as good as expected, some of the President’s supporters seem ready to blame them. I think that is very unfair. I believe that they are as dedicated as they were in 2008. I Still have the highest respect for both them, for his standings in the polls. So far as I am concerned, both Axelrod and Plouffe have demonstrated that they know more about politics, and winning, than I do. Until people criticizing them can show me evidence that they know more about how to run and win a Presidential election, with an improbable Black candidate named Barak Hussein Obama, I still place my bet on Axelrod and Plouffe when it comes to mapping out a winning strategy. All I need to do then is give them respect, based on their record, but at the same time share with them my concerns and criticisms.

    • September 2, 2011 at 3:48 pm

      I can’t imagine you upsetting anyone on a prag prog board, BWD. I missed the whole thing and it’s probably a good thing since I’ve been in a fighting mood lately when I see brainwashed lying points.

  12. 67 Sue in Minnesota
    September 2, 2011 at 12:09 pm

    Well I think we are. I appreciate that you speak your mind and your heart. I for one don’t need an apology

    Personally I am not invested in any need to ‘be right’, or even to agree. I think the conversation is far more important than the concensus.
    I also think for the most part, we demonstrate courtesy in our disagreements on this blog. To me that says alot about the individuals commenting here, and reflects brilliantly on Chipsticks, on her spirit, her talents and her energies.

    Honestly, I would give up on politics if not for the support and spirit of this community. And that would be so wrong at a time when none of us should be turning our backs on our responsibilities to our government of we the people.

    • September 2, 2011 at 12:11 pm

      EXACTLY what you said, Sue.

    • 69 Sue in Minnesota
      September 2, 2011 at 12:16 pm

      To clarify a poorly written comment: Well, think we are secure enough in our love and support for PBO to speak freely….

      Sorry, my writing could use some improvement.

    • September 2, 2011 at 5:56 pm

      Here’s is a part of my answer on the previous thread (somewhat modified) as it relates to this community:
      ‘I agree with you, Janelle, that …‘This is where Obama supporters really have to be inwardly tougher than our opponents. We don’t have the media, radio, print behind us…..we have our ability to get in the ground game with OFA and our votes’. AND WE HAVE EACH OTHER! … this (meaning the site) is also where we can reach out for a shoulder to lean on, or a hand to hold on to. Being humans of different temperaments and inner strength, there are going to be many, many moments over the next 14 months when different ones of us will react to the heat by yelling out or withdrawing. I personally have been encouraged by the way in which SOME who were feeling ‘tougher than our opponents’ rotated to the front with their positive comments, without trying to further demoralize those who were ‘hurt’. …..Yes, we can, AGAIN! [Particularly if we stand united.] OBAMA/BIDEN 2012!

    • 71 JoJothecat
      September 2, 2011 at 10:11 pm

      I agree Sue. We all know that BWD supports, respects, admires and loves PBO. If we can be honest how we feel, then why are we here? We need to have dialog on how to get this president re-elected. We need everyone whether they are independents, republicans, PL’s to not turn our country over to the crazy rw teabagging kkkoch brothers. I have heard many people say they will vote for this president because the alternative is too scary…I’ll take that.

  13. 72 Desraye
    September 2, 2011 at 12:09 pm

    This is part of my comment from the last thread.

    “If you noticed that the lead Republican contenders do not have a jobs plan. What’s Perry’s plan? Romney?Bachman?Huntsman is the only one that has a plan, but he polls lower than the other three. The president actually has a jobs plan.Perry is leading and has not mention a jobs plan. What does that tell? For god sakes the president hasn’t even started to campaign yet. You also don’t know what he’s going to said next week. The election is 14 months away. Anything can happen before then. Please get rid of the Defeatist attitude beacuse there is already enough of that on other progressive blogs.’

  14. 73 Me4obama
    September 2, 2011 at 12:14 pm

    Mr. president my heart aches for you this very minute. My heart is full of emotions this very hour but the only thing that gives me comfort is that “Me, Myself and I” will Never ask of you to be someone else other than yourself and I will never question your toughness and your judgement. It’s a long road And i will be walking with you hand in hand expecting so many mistakes and stubbles plus frustrations ahead of us. Stay strong today and tomorrow.

    • 74 theo67
      September 2, 2011 at 12:38 pm

      Thanks for saying this, Me4obama – I wholeheartedly share your sentiment. This President is being true to himself, which is what he said he would do, and I am proud of what he’s accomplished. I could give a flying fig about wanting to see a Republican smackdown, because that has nothing to do with real results that will help real people. A GOP smackdown will only make people feel good – and divide the parties even further.

      Personally, I’m really proud of the fact that despite everything, the President keeps a door open for the GOP if they ever regain their sanity. This shows a profound display of hope for the future of this country, and a sincere desire to heal the breach that the GOP and far left tactics have created. Imagine if the President played the games that many people want him to play, and granted the loudest voices the satisfaction of seeing him get into the ring and bloody up some noses? What would happen to all the people who are desperately looking for help and solutions, or the future generations who are falling further and further behind in the international race while many are engaged in these games? He’s focused on doing real good, like a real adult, for real people. I couldn’t be more proud.

      I have no doubt that he’s just as frustrated as everyone at the behavior of the left and the right, and probably even more so, since he knows exactly what is at stake and what is going on. He basically tells us this whenever he does a fundraiser speech. But, like Chancellor Merkel said, he takes his job as leader of the American people incredibly seriously, and that comes before absolutely everything, including his own ego.

      It may make us feel better if he acted like an adolescent and gave as good as he got in the way many want to see. But when I look at his real accomplishments, especially those that he won when everyone had already given up hope that anything could happen – I just burst with proud at this person who is currently President of the United States, an incredible role model and unbelievably effective and stellar human being; and I can’t wait to see what else he’s going to do with the rest of his life here on earth. The rest is just noise.

      • September 2, 2011 at 1:54 pm

        Thank YOU Theo, you voiced my sentiments exactly.. I too have never failed to be proud of our President and his MANY accomplishments throughout the most disgusting display of bad behavior by members of this nation. Just beautifully, honestly stated- thank you.

      • September 2, 2011 at 6:32 pm

        Theo, ‘… when I look at his REAL accomplishments, especially those that he won when everyone had already given up hope that anything could happen…’ MY pride knows no bounds! He has indeed been unbelievably effective, particularly in light of his opponents, right and left, and if truth be told in spite of some of his supporters! These days I’m not as easily shaken by supporters questioning him as I was in the beginning, though I do fume when anyone implies that he is ‘playing’. IMO the fact that governing the USA is no game to President Obama should be obvious to all by now, and the fact that it isn’t says a great deal about how brainwashed we have been by politics as it has been ‘played’ before PBO. I share your opinion that President Obama is ‘an incredible role model and unbelievably effective and stellar human being’ and I continue to believe that he has been chosen for such a time as this.

        I stopped questioning his toughness and his judgement a long, LONG time ago, Me4O and I too can’t wait to see what’s next on his agenda! It still hurts when I hear him criticized unfairly, demonized, or insulted, but I’ve accepted that not everyone has the focus and depth of self knowledge that he has, and I know that there is NOTHING he could do to make me retract my support. He doesn’t have to change himself in any way. I am absolutely convinced that there will never be another political leader with his skill, caring/empathy, character, and insight in my lifetime and I’m happy to be a part of this. I love you President Obama for who you are. May the Creator continue to bless, protect and guide you in this monumental task, Mr. President!

      • 77 Betsy
        September 4, 2011 at 3:30 pm

        Awesome post Theo. Thanks so much. I feel the same way.

  15. 78 kittypat
    September 2, 2011 at 12:15 pm

    I put the “Keep Calm and Carry On” button where I can see it every day, it’s a good reminder.

  16. September 2, 2011 at 12:15 pm

    So I just read that Prez scaled back on some proposed EPA regulations. You will see him getting blasted for saying it creates uncertainty blah blah something right wingy. What you won’t hear is that DEMOCRATS were the ones pleading with him. Including Carl Levin – a known liberal. This is what I’ve been trying to make clear to some Obama critics. he’s not just negotiating or “caving” to Repubs. people in his party just don’t always want the same things.

    • 80 proudmemberofglobalzero
      September 2, 2011 at 12:19 pm

      The President raised the levels by 10 points through the EPA. All he did was put them back to where they were before he raised them.

      • 81 JoJothecat
        September 2, 2011 at 10:14 pm

        I heard that he hs to deal with this again in 2013 so he did not want to wait so he would not have to change the levels in two years. Makes sense to me. Plus it takes one more thing the GOP can ” itch” about over regulation.

    • 82 Desraye
      September 2, 2011 at 12:19 pm

      This is what the great progressive FDR had to do. He had to compromise with his own party.FDR wasn’t no fighter, he was compromiser.

    • 83 jacquelineoboomer
      September 2, 2011 at 12:24 pm

      Yes, it’s called compromise … consensus building … not the “my way or the highway” crap from the previous administration. You know: stuff that gets people actually working together to get the job done!


    • 84 Debz
      September 2, 2011 at 12:27 pm

      It was the same thing during the health care debate with the medicare for 55 and up. Every one blamed POTUS and Lieberman, but in fact it was also both Senators from MN and Feingold along with some others who sent a letter to PBO asking not to change the age. i don’t remember what the reasons were but I do know we didn’t hear about it, because these were Dems.

  17. September 2, 2011 at 12:17 pm

    Hey lets get our minds on something proactive and send questions to Brain Williams before the debate.
    Lets let him know that were’re not as dumb as they think we are.

    Please send candidate questions to Brian Williams @nbcnightlynews “What are your job plans?
    Candidate questions for Brian Williams @nbcnightlynews “Do you agree with Dick Cheney’s view on torture?”
    Candidate questions for Brian Williams @nbcnightlynews “Does this presidnet deserve any credit for killing OBL?”
    Candidate questions for Brian Williams @nbcnightlynews “Do you agree with the pull out date for Iraq, or would you stay longer?
    Candidate questions for Brian Williams @nbcnightlynews “If FEMA runs low on cash how wil they replenish funding?”
    Candidate questions for Brian Williams @nbcnightlynews “Romney, how many private sector jobs did you create?’

    • 86 jacquelineoboomer
      September 2, 2011 at 12:36 pm


    • September 2, 2011 at 12:44 pm

      Thanks! I’l like to heat the answer to:

      “There has been a full decade of Bush Tax Cuts for the wealthiest Americans and those who are considered the job creators. President Obama has given business several tax breaks. Why hasn’t there been any significant private sector job creation?”

  18. 88 Fred
    September 2, 2011 at 12:21 pm

    U.S. Issues Worldwide Travel Alert Ahead Of 9/11 Anniversary

    The State Department is issuing a worldwide travel alert ahead of the 10th anniversary of Sept. 11, the AP reports. No specific threats to the U.S. have been identified, but the State Department just says people should take precautions.

  19. September 2, 2011 at 12:23 pm

    Jeesh! And I was banned for posting informative center right links??? Oh, we crave for the good ole days, aye chips? Lol!

    • September 2, 2011 at 12:32 pm

      Hey there Jovie, when were you banned? You weren’t 😉 I just asked you to stop posting President Obama-bashing links from right wing sites that were aimed at demoralizing everyone, but you kept on doing it – so I put you on pending, as you know. I presume you’re being amusing when you call Politico “center right”? 😆

      PS Just checked when you last posted here Jovie and saw my last message to you:

      Oh Jovie……how many times have I asked you not to post links to GOP propaganda on GOPolitico?? All that stuff is blocked from now on, we just don’t want that crap here, we know where to go if we want to read it. If you want to carry on posting your other great links that’d be great, I’ll release them from pending as soon as I see them!


    • September 2, 2011 at 1:05 pm

      Jovie, where are you posting at these days?

    • 94 Me4obama
      September 2, 2011 at 1:16 pm

      Jovie I have missed you so much. I have been wondering where you went. Good to see you again.

  20. 95 Sheila R.
    September 2, 2011 at 12:23 pm

    Good reminder, Chipsticks. I am perfectly calm. Everyone has to unite to re-elect PBO!!!

    • September 2, 2011 at 12:52 pm

      Good morning everyone. I am just logging in and I thought I was on the wrong blog while I was reading one of the threads. 🙂 Love that sign at the beginning of the thread. Even family members get frustrated sometimes and I think it is healthy, but in the end we are all fighting for the same thing.

  21. 97 Doris
    September 2, 2011 at 12:53 pm

    Thanks Chips for this reminder. It is very much needed. We’ve got to keep our heads cool and our powder dry. We’ve got a long way to go. This is going to be a battle royale and we have got to stick together and support one another. And above all, we have got to stay focused. Fighting amongst ourselves and picking on one another is not going to get it. This is not what the President would want us to do. We must let him be our example.

  22. 98 Allison
    September 2, 2011 at 1:10 pm

    Up and down like on a roller coaster…high and low but only one direction to go… To the finish line, to the end … No matter what Obama 2012!!!

  23. 99 tally
    September 2, 2011 at 2:15 pm

    I am posting this in every fucking thread so people will STFU about it – forgive me for the repetition:

    ****PRINCESS POTTY MOUTH ALERT**** (this is not directed at YOU personally, but at the thought process you have somehow picked up and allowed to hinder your independent, rational thought.)

    I hear this so fucking much, yet NO ONE says EXACTLY WHAT TO SAY, or HOW do you do that when your sworn enemies OWN THE FUCKING MEDIA?

    Explain to me, how exactly, that happens?

    How is he NOT getting “OUT THERE”? What does that mean? He is OUT THERE every fucking day, and Chips has VIDEO HERE to PROVE IT. Granted, it’s not carried on the TV, and WHY DO YOU SUPPOSE THAT IS? Shouldn’t the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES BE CONSIDERED NEWS???

    Maybe he should just take Jim Carney’s place and give a press conference every day? Jim does that now pretty much, and they don’t carry him. Yet we even have video of that too.

    DEATH PANELS? Of COURSE they responded – but if the Media won’t air it, THEN WTF DO YOU DO? Call them and yell at them? Think that will work? Death Panels was absurd on it’s FACE – Tell me, even if you were in front of a camera, WHAT DO YOU SAY EXACTLY? POTUS said, “Your care will be between you and your Doctor, not you and your insurance company.” AND “There will be money now for end of life counseling with the family, before you’re in hospice.” WHAT ELSE WOULD YOU SAY?

    I see the POTUS getting OUT THERE, EVERY FUCKING DAY, thanks to whitehouse.gov, and sometimes C-SPAN. The people I DON’T SEE is the rest of the DEMS IN CONGRESS. They’re probably out there too, but there is a MEDIA BLACKOUT on them, because the GOP OWNS THE FUCKING MEDIA, and there are NO LAWS OR REGULATIONS anymore (thanks to Reagan) than make it MANDATORY for BOTH SIDES TO HAVE EQUAL TIME.

    Please explain IN DETAIL, HOW the POTUS and the DEMS – demand airtime from the GOPMEDIA.

    • 100 RinaX
      September 2, 2011 at 3:10 pm

      Er, fight harder? Seriously, I have yet to hear a reality based answer to this.

    • 102 nathkatun7
      September 3, 2011 at 1:14 am

      Bravo! Bravo! fearless Tally! You expressed so well everything I want to say every time I see people criticizing: the WH, Messaging, Presidential advisors, The President’s demeanor, and on and on. What really hurts is to see people I respect buy into that kind of criticism. I am no spring chicken. I’ve been around for some time, under many presidents. I’ve never witnessed the kind of treatment President Obama has been subjected to. At least the media scrutiny of Presidents like Nixon, and to certain extent Clinton, had a great deal to do with personal scandals. But even then, no members of Congress ever disrespected them the way Boehner, Cantor, DeMint, Bachmann, Joe Wilson and a whole host of others have disrespected President Obama. No members of their own party treated them the way the PL and the forebaggers treat President Obama. And now we even have the Congressional Black Caucus (CBC) joining the bash President Obama parade.

      I’ve lived under nine Presidents as an adult. Based on my experience, I believe that President Obama is perhaps the most thoughtful, the most intelligent, the most compassionate, the most articulate, the most progressive and the most hard working President in my life time. He is also a very smart politician. Yet, he is vilified by many who claim to be his base; he is passionately hated, demonized and denigrated by the opposition party; and, He is totally disrespected and disliked by many in the Media, old and new.

      What’s really amazing is the sanity, common sense, and goodwill of many Americans who have refused to join the bandwagon of Obama haters by continuing to respect him as person and as a leader. With all the forces against President Obama, It’s amazing 40+% of Americans still support his policies and over 70% like him as a person.

  24. 103 lmrj
    September 2, 2011 at 2:28 pm

    What a GREAT poster! Reminds me of what PBO does on a daily basis. We can all take a cue from his actions.

  25. September 2, 2011 at 2:33 pm

    We have been on this cycle of ups and downs since this great man entered the whit house. Not because of what he has done or not done. It’s because of all the crap we hear from the right wing media. The lest little thing is screamed from the airways to cancel out all the great things going on. We need to get positive and ignore the media who no longer broadcast the facts. Where was this outrage when the last administration took this country down the rabbit hole. Stick together or the alternative will drag us further down.

  26. 105 Mary Gray
    September 2, 2011 at 2:35 pm

    Also, are the people commenting on this blog “out there”. Blogging is great, but boots on the ground, phones to the ear, hours at an OFA office willl make a difference, not continual blogging. Take the energy from here and “get out there”.

  27. 106 collegekay
    September 2, 2011 at 2:39 pm

    Good afternoon. I agree with this sentiment and I read the other thread. I agree with points on both sides. Everyone knows how much we love this man. It kind of worries me that some people get jumped on and accused of spewing “PL talking points” for voicing their opinions/ concerns. We can criticize without name calling.

  28. September 2, 2011 at 3:25 pm

    Maybe some of this stuff just needed to be said–TODers can get frustrated too – a day or so ago, the President said he was frustrated, so why not us. Perhaps it was time to blow off some steam. It does seem like there is nothing but negative things on the news and in blogs and every one has an opinion on what the President should do to fix his standings in the polls. Stop with the polls already – it seems there is one daily telling us the President’s negative numbers. Of course, we jump for joy when the polls say he’s doing well. Polls are just more marketing and sales from the media and used by the media to bolster ratings.

    What I tell myself when I get down is that the GOP does not have any plans on anything currently affecting our country, they don’t need to have plans. They are and have been totally successful by just saying “no”, pointing fingers at the President, obstructing and obfuscating changes that the President would like to put in place to actually pull us out of the ditch we are in. The question is whether a good portion of the country is happy with this style of political management from the GOPers. It appears that the GOTP is losing steam if you focus on what has been happening in states like Wisconsin–several TP candidates lost their seats or did not prevail against democratic state senators. What we have to make sure is that no additional GOTPers are elected to the House and Senate (or regular GOP) and support PO by working for the election of Democratic Reps and Senators as well as his campaign. I think that the GOP is working hard to gain both houses – if they do that and PO gets elected in 2012 – it won’t matter that the President is a Democratic one. They will rule the country – PO’s hands will be completely tied.

    Princess Potty Mouth is correct – the media is not on our side – they are completely and wholly owned by GOPMEDIA. If Chips hadn’t had such great information on the President’s recent bus trip through the midwest, I’d never have known how he affected those he visited with. So here’s what I think – sometimes you have to follow what’s going on in the media and places like HuffPo and DailyKos to see what you are up against – and sometimes they actually have something good to share. Take things with a grain of salt, come here for good, solid information and sometimes good, solid dissention (if we are all so supportive and never tell it like we think and feel we run the risk of being blinded by rose colored glasses).

    I am putting my faith in Chips – she has consistently made good decisions on when to ban someone or when to step in and comment when things get hot and we get bothered. I think we should respect that some of our members are frustrated, some of us are scared of losing the best chance to make changes for our country with PO that we’ve ever encountered in our lifetimes, and sometimes our President or his staff does things that make us go “huh”? I mean really, he and they are not infallible – they are only human.

    • 108 chiara
      September 2, 2011 at 3:52 pm

      So very well said. So much of it is exactly what I am thinking. I get a bit worried when people talking about blocking out all media because then it’s impossible to know what you’re up against. I look at HuffPo every day and get a great deal of very good information from it because it does a pretty good job of aggregating from so many sources. When they have a headline (like the one they have now) about “Obama Caves On Smog”, I either ignore it or I write a comment about it. I think much the same thing can be said for other media outlets. When NBC, MSNBC, CNN or some other outlet reports something I think is wrong or they miss something I write to them and let them know. I don’t know if it does any good but I do think it’s better than ignoring it because then they at least know someone is challenging them.

      I also agree with the risk of the rose colored glasses. I support this President wholeheartedly, I donated, I volunteered for him and will do so again but that doesn’t mean I haven’t been disappointed in him along the way or have agreed with all his decisions, I haven’t. For me, not agreeing with him on certain issues really doesn’t change my view of what an amazing human being I believe him to be or what a good leader I think he is, it just means I don’t agree on a certain issue. I truly believe, because he has said it many times, that he wants people to challenge him and give him a different perspective and I think that’s good and the mark of a very evolved and secure human being.

  29. September 2, 2011 at 3:55 pm

    The problem first is, the health care regulations snd the taxes on medical equipment(big business hates this-HATES)!
    Then, the wall street reform bill(that nobody knows about, because when it was explained and signed into law- the Shirley Sherrod Thingy happened) but the big banks hate this bill.
    He has home after big oil, trying to end their subsidies, he wants people making over 250k to pay more in taxes(all of this I am for)!
    Also, the EPA stopped mountain top removal in west Virginia. Big coal snd the locals are pissed off at the president. Lisa Jackson was interviews on theatter and said, I sympathize with people losing coal jobs, but my job is to ensure everybody has clean water!
    And he is starting to prosecute bank employees for insider trading fraud, and is suing 12 banks for the sub prime mess!
    Then, we all wonder why the president has zero friends in DC?
    Because, he is going after the big wigs(albeit, he should explain it to everyone so we can help)!
    And this is why DC is broken- the powers that be have set up shop in that town for 100 years.
    Sometimes, I wonder if the president feels he is in this all alone?
    However, I appreciate the president going after the spoiled rotten big businesses! That said, It’s because they are spoiled rotten that they want a republican in the white house! Sigh!

    • 110 chiara
      September 2, 2011 at 5:05 pm

      And breaking news is that the U.S. is now suing a number of major banks for the losses incurred in the subprime mortgage mess. That’s not going to win him too many friends on Wall Street. So, we’re just going to have to pick up the slack and have his back!

    • September 2, 2011 at 5:58 pm

      Jovie – you nailed it! And they are all spending BAZILLIONS to defeat him.

  30. 112 kefauver
    September 2, 2011 at 5:01 pm

    Sorry, I am going to call out PL bullshit when I see it. I don’t come here to read “hair on fire” histrionics that I could just as well read at Daily Outrage. I ain’t playing the “Obama is Weak” game.

    • 113 anniebella
      September 2, 2011 at 6:22 pm

      Thank you kefauver, I’m right with you.

    • 114 nathkatun7
      September 3, 2011 at 1:25 am

      Thanks Kefauver for your excellent comment. That’s the way I feel! Nevertheless, I still respect people who raise critical issues without the ‘ “hair on fire,” histrionics.’

    • 115 Chi
      September 4, 2011 at 8:03 pm

      Absolutely spot on kefauver…

      That previous thread not only upset me, but thoroughly irritated me…

      Perpetuating negative talking points and memes under the guise of speaking freely in a secure place and not wearing rose colored glasses, is extremely detrimental…

      So many of the people I send to this blog are previoulsy disengaged neophytes with very weak stomachs who need constant reassurance and supportive messaging of President Obama…

      They have no where else to go for that and this is the only blog that provides that positive and informative mix without the deadly narratives that detract…

      These people need to be kept interested and disabused of the negative memes they are being bombarded with out there…

      Maybe one of those who feel so strongly that President Obama ought to be criticized especially from the perspective of the talking points de jour, could start a blog where those who fancy themselves politically savvy can go have conversations where PL infused talking points thrive…

      Maybe then we can still have at least one consistently positive place for those who do not wish to indulge in the armchair quarter-backing or the need for periodic criticism of President Obama for the sake of not been accused of being brain-washed…

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