Aljazeera: …… on the floor of the intelligence chief’s office (in Libya) lay an envelope addressed to Gaddafi’s son Saif Al-Islam. Inside, I found what appears to be a summary of a conversation between US congressman Denis Kucinich, who publicly opposed US policy on Libya, and an intermediary for the Libyan leader’s son.

It details a request by the congressman for information he needed to lobby American lawmakers to suspend their support for the Libyan National Transitional Council (NTC) and to put an end to NATO airstrikes. According to the document, Kucinich wanted evidence of corruption within the NTC and, like his fellow countryman Welch, any possible links within rebel ranks to al-Qaeda.

The document also lists specific information needed to defend Saif Al-Islam, who is currently on the International Criminal Court’s most wanted list…..

More here

Thank you QuietObserver



TPM (March 2011): A number of Democratic and Republican lawmakers are concerned about the White House’s air assault on Libya, but Rep. Dennis Kucinich raised the rhetoric to 11 on Monday, suggesting President Obama should be impeached.

“President Obama moved forward without Congress approving. He didn’t have Congressional authorization, he has gone against the Constitution, and that’s got to be said,” Kucinich said…. Obama’s decision “would appear on its face to be an impeachable offense”.



From March 2011:

CNN: Democratic Rep. Dennis Kucinich is transforming his critique of President Obama’s actions in Libya into a fundraising plea, asking supporters to decide whether they like President Obama or the Constitution more.

After calling the president’s decision to act in Libya an “impeachable offense,” Kucinich Monday posted a letter on his website asking supporters for help in “putting together a broad fundraising structure to make sure that I’ll have the resources to continue to be a voice in the Unites States Congress.”

….Stating that he “never failed to stand up” when advocating for the “need to more our economy forward” or “internationally standing up for peace,” Kucinich asked potential donors to shore up his re-election efforts for 2012.

…. Ohio is set to undergo redistricting following the results of the most recent U.S. Census, a development that may make Kucinich’s road to re-election more difficult….

Full article here


The Atlantic: ….  Al Jazeera’s Jamal Elshayyal is reporting this afternoon that the Ohio congressman may have translated his opposition into outright collaboration with the Qaddafi regime.

Elshayyal claims he’s uncovered a document at Libya’s intelligence headquarters in Tripoli ….. The file explains that the congressman (who is not named in the document reproduced on Al Jazeera’s site, raising questions about how Elshayyal pinpointed Kucinich) is seeking information from the Libyan government to file a lawsuit against NATO, the U.N., and the U.S., defend Saif al-Islam at the International Criminal Court, reform the image of the regime, and facilitate negotiations to end the conflict.

….. Kucinich already landed in hot water earlier this year for traveling to Syria to meet with President Bashar al-Assad …. In a statement on Friday that sounded very similar to Kucinich’s justification for visiting Assad, the representative explained, “In my efforts to end the war, I have been contacted by many parties – including members of the Qaddafi regime and some with ties to the rebels….”

Update: Rep. Kucinich’s office has sent The Atlantic Wire a statement in which the congressman flatly denies Al Jazeera’s report, claiming that the document in question is simply a summary of Kucinich’s public positions on the Libyan campaign by a Libyan bureaucrat who never consulted with Kucinich himself….

More here

102 Responses to “what?”

  1. August 31, 2011 at 1:33 pm

    Why am I not surprised?

  2. August 31, 2011 at 1:38 pm

    This is the PL hero you know. The savior they want to primary President Obama.

    Go figure.

  3. August 31, 2011 at 1:39 pm

    So one of the PL’s heros was throwing around the “I” word while actively trying to help a dictator?

  4. 5 Anonymous
    August 31, 2011 at 1:41 pm

    Oh .My. Gosh.

  5. 6 Lochelle
    August 31, 2011 at 1:43 pm

    Really? Defend a brutal dictator to score political
    points at home? Not surprising but disgusting nonetheless.

  6. 7 nintendowii10
    August 31, 2011 at 1:44 pm

    The Keebler elf needs to go away. What has he accomplished during his entire tenure in Congress, other than drafting impeachment legislation against President Bush for meaningless symbolism?

    And he wonders why every time he runs for President, he fails to win a single primary. He has NO record of accomplishments to run on and is all about ideology, as opposed to practical ideas.

    • 8 jacquelineoboomer
      August 31, 2011 at 1:50 pm

      In a perfect world, Kucinich would resign today.

    • 9 COS
      August 31, 2011 at 1:51 pm

      Little Napoleon need to give it up. Saw him on CNN early yesterday morning complaining about PBO and jobs. I wonder how many more of these folks are collaborating with the enemies abroad? Do you all think he is angry at himself for voting for the Health care bill and resents PBO for his persuasion?

    • 10 Fred
      August 31, 2011 at 2:37 pm

      I like you a lot Nin but this is such an insult to Keebler’s elves 😉

  7. August 31, 2011 at 1:47 pm

    I just finished reading this at Al Jazeera.. uneffingbelievable. I have tweeted Kucinich 2x to explain himself to the American public as to just what his plan was here. What a piece of shit. He was actually looking for evidence/ ways to defend Gaddafi’s son Saif. In direct opposition to NATO and to the US Govt and President Obama. I hate underhanded deceitful people and thats all this creep is.

  8. August 31, 2011 at 1:48 pm

    Isnt this treason?

  9. 15 Puddin'
    August 31, 2011 at 1:48 pm

    What’s done in the dark always come to the light.

  10. 16 utaustinliberal
    August 31, 2011 at 1:48 pm

    My goodness Kucinich is an a-hole of the biggest order. No wonder he was screaming impeachment of President Obama and not wanting us to do anything for the Libyan people. As they say “Truth Will Out.”

  11. 17 jacquelineoboomer
    August 31, 2011 at 1:49 pm

    Should there be charges of treason levied on David Welch and Denis Kucinich?

    “The Constitution defines treason as specific acts, namely ‘levying War against [the United States], or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.'”

    • August 31, 2011 at 1:52 pm

      I wonder if we will hear about this on CNN, and the other so-called news media.

      • 19 jacquelineoboomer
        August 31, 2011 at 2:00 pm

        Probably. Don’t forget Kucinich has a “D” after his name.

      • 20 Debz
        August 31, 2011 at 2:41 pm

        I am not even seeing this on blogs. I wonder if any one will pick up on this they didn’t waste time telling us that this traitor wanted to impeach the president.

      • 21 chiara
        August 31, 2011 at 3:15 pm

        I’m guessing they’ll pick it up but it will take a while. They will probably do some fact checking etc before they go with it because it is going to be pretty controversial when it does go wide so they will need to have all their I’s dotted and t’s crossed.

        I don’t know if I missed it but the piece says the document appears to be notes from a meeting/conversation with Kucinich but I don’t see his name anywhere on the document.

        That is the sort of stuff that the network news is going to have to absolutely corroborate before they go on air with this.

    • 22 jacquelineoboomer
      August 31, 2011 at 1:59 pm

      Forced myself to go to HuffPo, since Kucinich is a regular contributor there. Here’s what he opined about just a week ago. It’s so cringeworthy, I couldn’t get all the way through it. So, please, tell me if he mentions he offered assistance to Gadhafi’s son.


      Also scanned the front page at HuffPo. Not surprisingly, I couldn’t find any mention of the AJ story.

  12. 24 Debz
    August 31, 2011 at 1:51 pm

    Is Congress going to investigate this and punish him? Or maybe the CBC and the other “disappointed” congressional dems will ask him to primary the Prez.

    • 30 Sue in Minnesota
      August 31, 2011 at 2:26 pm

      This was how it should be done. Articulate and honest…..Mayor Reed was great. Chuck seemed IMO, uncomfortable with the topic…..or am I reading something into this that wasn’t actually there?

  13. 31 jacquelineoboomer
    August 31, 2011 at 2:03 pm

    I feel like a goofball, but I’m not on twitter yet. Can anybody call this story to Speaker for Life Pelosi’s attention?


  14. August 31, 2011 at 2:04 pm

    I’ve also tweeted CNN ABC CBS MSNBC, the state dept and the doj.. I hope others here will tweet the “news’ also.. as I would certainly like Kucinich to be pressed to clarify what his intent here was/is.

    • August 31, 2011 at 2:06 pm

      The only reason I’m not after the Welch guy too is because he’s a private citizen and I’m not sure it matters in the same way as it does that a congressman was involved in trying to assist someone who is considered a criminal and I think classified as an enemy to the US and to NATO.

      • August 31, 2011 at 4:56 pm

        sherijr, Kucinich has always been a bit of a jerk, but David Welch is dangerous. He was assistant secretary of state for mid-Eastern affairs during the Bush administration. He either drew up the U.S.-Libya Comprehensive Claims Settlement Agreement himself, or had a lot to do with it and, of course, signed it for the US. This agreement paved the way for the restoration of full diplomatic and , most importantly, commercial relations between the US and Gadaffi’s Libya.

        Welch is the president of the mid eastern section for Bechtel. Bechtel is the biggest construction company in the world. I can’t believe there wasn’t a strong profit-making motive in the early days of the rebellion — before the rebels got the upper hand — behind the entire idea of anti-NATO, anti-intervention in Lybia.

        I don’t think Kucinich is in on any money deal, but he could easily be a dupe for Bechtel via David Welch. Because, of all things, Kucinich is a quintessential dupe.

  15. 38 Anonymous
    August 31, 2011 at 2:05 pm

    Kucinich is the perfect example of an ideolog who pushes his ideology so so far it leads to totally absurd behavior. The man is totally incapable of pondering complex problems where values and principles come in conflict with one another. I mean … Intervening in another country is indeed very delicate… But sometimes it’s necessary.

    What’s angering me the most is that he is undermining the delicate diplomatic work of the administration. Gosh have you noticed the headline in the link? Granted it is misleading but still. Let’s push back at Al-jazeera and explain that Kucinich is a loner and is NOT influencial. Not by a long shot.

    • 39 jacquelineoboomer
      August 31, 2011 at 3:12 pm

      Noticed the headline – wanted to shriek!

    • August 31, 2011 at 3:15 pm

      And you should see some of the comments on the AJ story–about how AJ is suddenly wrong, it’s a lie, a NATO conspiracy….wow, I remember when AJ was RESPECTED by these folks because they were not contaminated like the American MSM was. But I suppose when you expose something very dark about one of the PL’s heroes, they turn on you.

      • 41 majii
        August 31, 2011 at 4:11 pm

        Absolutely right, Marc. Some on the left do the same thing that some on the right do, they close ranks and protect those who have done wrong by attacking the messenger. Then, they have the gall to criticize the right for doing it. Hypocrites. IMO, if you’re wrong, you’re wrong, whether you represent the right or the left, and Kucinich was wrong in going behind PBO’s back to undermine his Middle Eastern foreign policy goals. I knew there was some reason I have never thought that Kucinich was an honest broker on any issue.

    • 43 virginia
      August 31, 2011 at 3:37 pm

      “Tjeu s,o;e om upir face. a;; tje to,e tjeu wamt tp tale upir [;ace==Bacl Stabbers

      “Take these knives out my back”. Perfect.for this situation!

      • 44 virginia
        August 31, 2011 at 3:41 pm

        Ooops, sorrry, I can’t see what I’m typing. That should read “They smile in your face, all the time they want to take your place–Back Stabbers! sorry hope this is better.

  16. 45 Mariele K.
    August 31, 2011 at 2:07 pm

    Why that sanctimonium hypocritical SOB!! He should be locked up. He essentially committed treason. He is a traitor to this country. All the criticism he is levying against OBAMA is criticism that he should direct to himself.

  17. 46 Ladyhawke
    August 31, 2011 at 2:09 pm

    OT: I have been waiting for one of the Republican governors to speak out about the comments from Majority Leader Eric Cantor on disaster aid requiring cuts in other areas of the government. Well it looks like Bob O’Donnell of Virginia has done just that.

    Cantor faces pushback on disaster aid callousness

    Yesterday, Cantor faced some pushback from a high-profile ally: his own state’s conservative governor.

    Virginia Gov. Bob McDonnell, breaking with fellow Republican Cantor, on Tuesday suggested that deficit-spending concerns should not be a factor as Congress and the Federal Emergency Management Agency respond to Hurricane Irene.

    “My concern is that we help people in need,” McDonnell said during his monthly radio show. “For the FEMA money that’s going to flow, it’s up to them on how they get it. I don’t think it’s the time to get into that [deficit] debate.”

    Before Irene hit, McDonnell had requested emergency help from FEMA in 10 districts, including Cantor’s. All the requests were granted.

    We also learned today that Cantor was given a chance during the Bush era to vote for offsetting the costs of disaster relief — but Cantor voted against the same approach that he’s now pushing.


    • August 31, 2011 at 2:26 pm

      Cantor got slapped. McDonnell wants that federal money and he’s not taking a cut to get it. Eric will come around to his way of thinking.

    • August 31, 2011 at 3:12 pm

      And Senator Sanders laid into the GOP when he was interviewed this morning (I’m not sure whether it’s MSNBC or CNN). As the Senator from Vermont, he pretty much made it clear that this was the worst he’d ever seen, and he was pretty livid about the fact that aid might be held up thanks to Cantor’s foolishness.

      Sometimes Senator Sanders gets me riled up (like, say, only firing rhetoric at the President), but in this matter, he was spot on. I hope he brings that passion to bear on the GOP and embarrasses the living Jesus out of them.

  18. 49 Sheila R.
    August 31, 2011 at 2:17 pm

    Kooch has just proved he’s worthless and not a friend of the United States or the Democratic party.

  19. 50 Fred
    August 31, 2011 at 2:26 pm

    Denis Kucinich himself should resign NOW and TODAY

    Tossed Like a Friggin’ Salad (again 🙄 😆 😆 )
    We’re now hearing that Christine O’Donnell has been re-expelled from the Iowa Tea Party-palooza event.
    For those keeping score at home. She was invited, disinvited, re-invited this morning and apparently now re-disinvited.

    Suspicious Package Found At IL Air Force Base (I haven’t seen a darn thing on local news :roll:)
    CHICAGO (Reuters) – A suspicious package at a U.S. Air Force base about 300 miles south of Chicago prompted the closure of parts of the facility on Wednesday, and three people have been sent to a hospital to be treated for possible chemical exposure, officials said.

    Perry’s Jobs Miracle: From 2009 To 2010, Texas Had Largest Growth In State, Local Government Jobs

    GOP Governors Target Undocumented Immigrants In New Medicaid Proposal

    • 51 Sue in Minnesota
      August 31, 2011 at 2:35 pm

      With respect to the Tea Party-palooza, I heard earlier today,Her Ugliness had cancelled. But wait for it, President Obama called her out in his statement today ….mentioning there will be no more” bridges to nowhere.” I’ll bet she will not be able to let that go!

      If you smell something burning it’s probably Sarah’s wig on fire.

  20. 55 Fred
    August 31, 2011 at 2:28 pm

    Equality California Releases Video Exposing Family Research Council’s Hateful Campaign Against FAIR Education Act

    that lady is pushing it 🙄
    Ros-Lehtinen Wants To Break U.S. Laws On Hosting The U.N.

  21. 56 Tulips
    August 31, 2011 at 2:30 pm

    Peopl pay attention to who and what this president is doing. He is exposing all the ones who does not mean us well. President Obama, is letting it all out in a classy way.

  22. 57 Tulips
    August 31, 2011 at 2:30 pm

    People pay attention to who and what this president is doing. He is exposing all the ones who does not mean us well. President Obama, is letting it all out in a classy way.

  23. 58 Desraye
    August 31, 2011 at 2:38 pm

    Al-jeezra- english is putting the MSM to shame.

    • 59 overseasgranny
      August 31, 2011 at 3:03 pm

      AJ has been doing that for a couple of years now. You would think the MSM would feel some kind of shame, but they don’t I guess.

      • August 31, 2011 at 3:12 pm

        They feel no shame because most Americans don’t have access to AJE on their televisions, and don’t make the effort to seek it out online.

        • 61 overseasgranny
          August 31, 2011 at 3:25 pm

          Hi, LL! I have a guess a little of it is also that a lot of people still think AJE is some subversive terrorist station. Once you’ve watched it you know differently.
          We had a bad power outage on Sunday am and it took out my TV which I can’t replace until Friday. I am having withdrawal pains not being able to watch all the TV news stations, but I am struggling through watching what I can on-line with my very limited broadband download limit.

          • August 31, 2011 at 3:33 pm

            Did Irene reach out to Ireland?? 😆

            One of the librarians I worked with castigated me for watching AJE, saying it wasn’t “objective”. Of course, he’s an Israel-uber-alles person, so any news outlet that doesn’t fawn over Israel isn’t “objective”.

            • 63 overseasgranny
              August 31, 2011 at 3:48 pm

              That outage was not Irene’s fault, but it killed a lot of pc’s around here as well as my tv. That TV had an internal surge protector but I think it finally used up its 30 or so lives.
              Irene will go into Canada, get picked up by the Jet Stream and hit here in the next day or so. We always get the dregs of all the hurricanes. Everything depends on where the Jet Stream is located at the moment, above, below or on top of us as to how drenched we will get.
              The Gulf Stream used to keep us warm until it deserted Ireland for Canada. Now it has deserted Canada and seems to be a big blob in the ocean not doing anyone any good.

              • August 31, 2011 at 3:51 pm

                But, of course, climate change is faulty science.

                • 65 overseasgranny
                  August 31, 2011 at 3:58 pm

                  Faulty indeed. We are trying to figure out how much of how many coastal cities will get wiped out if there is a 27 foot sea level rise over the next 50 years. Both major airports and all ports will have to be relocated. They can take their faulty science and put it in …

        • 66 Desraye
          August 31, 2011 at 3:27 pm

          They might need to change their name. Their slogan can also be ” We tell the truth.”

  24. 67 QuietObserver
    August 31, 2011 at 2:55 pm

    Kucinich’s office denies the documents contain anything different than what he has said publicly: http://www.theatlanticwire.com/global/2011/08/report-suggests-kucinich-worked-qaddafi-regime-block-libyan-intervention/41953/

    It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

  25. August 31, 2011 at 2:58 pm

    the dark shall come to light

  26. 70 Pamela
    August 31, 2011 at 3:01 pm

    Isn’t this called TREASON?

  27. 71 overseasgranny
    August 31, 2011 at 3:02 pm

    I’m not sure which descriptive phrase about Kucinich I like better – POS or SOB, so I’ll use both of them. I can’t stand this little man and it is past time that he leaves politics.

  28. 73 utaustinliberal
    August 31, 2011 at 3:03 pm

    Hey guys heads up. Randi Rhodes is on right now.


  29. 76 Fred
    August 31, 2011 at 3:12 pm

    TPM Livewire

    NBC, Politico: Debate Will Not Be Postponed 🙄

    After the White House announced President Obama will deliver a major jobs speech on the same night as the NBC/Politico-sponsored GOP debate, event organizers say they’re not postponing the event.

    “We’re thrilled that we now have a terrific opportunity to hear from national leaders of both major parties about the most pressing domestic issues facing the country,” NBC News and POLITICO said in a statement.

    • 77 Desraye
      August 31, 2011 at 3:20 pm

      Did you see the picture that they had of the president with this story? I think it is awesome.

    • 78 Fred
      August 31, 2011 at 3:20 pm

      RNC Chair: Obama’s Joint Session Request A ‘Thinly Veiled Political Ploy’ (bitch please! :roll:)

      RNC Chair Reince Priebus is calling President Obama’s request for a joint session of Congress a “thinly veiled political ploy” because it lands on the same night and time slot of a “long-scheduled” Republican presidential debate.

      Via NBC News’ Kelly O’Donnell.

      • 79 busbus
        August 31, 2011 at 5:42 pm

        According to Randi Rhodes, September 7th is the first day of the new congress; therefore, it is appropriate for a joint session of Congress. Also, Randi Rhodes played a sound track of Limbaugh stating that Boehner needed to put Obama “IN HIS PLACE!” After this statement, Boehner sent his second letter to Obama stating (paraphrasing) that a joint session was unnecessary and that Obama could give his speech on another day.

        WHAT IN THE SAM HILL DOES LIMBAUGH MEAN…”PUT OBAMA IN HIS PLACE!” Someone needs to kick Limbaugh in his “ba**s until his cries “UNCLE.”

        • August 31, 2011 at 9:43 pm

          POTUS’ place is self-evident..he’s the President Of The United States of America. Limbaugh’s place is sitting on his ugly ass barking orders at John Boehner.

    • 81 Sue in Minnesota
      August 31, 2011 at 3:21 pm

      Well ,will the Republicans stay on topic…presenting their jobs plans, and maybe answering as to why they haven’t addressed the issue via House legislation. We are entering into the 9th month of this year……when do they fulfill their campaign pledges? When do they answer to the American electorate?

      Or will they simply bash Obama…that’s no debate, that’s a (sorry) circle jerk.

  30. 82 Fred
    August 31, 2011 at 3:16 pm

    Rick Perry Sent Letter On Immigration To Wrong Agency

    yes yes yes! this is on TPM 😀

    Docs: Bush Official, Kucinich Offered To Help Qaddafi Regime On Ending U.S. Involvement In Libya

  31. 83 Fred
    August 31, 2011 at 3:27 pm

    House Republican Bill Cuts Hurricane Monitoring Funds That Help Save Millions Of Dollars 😯

    Virginia Anti-Abortion Lobbyist Married To Top State Health Official Who Helped Draft Clinic Regulations

    Presidential Candidate-Endorsed Ex-Gay Conference Heads To Texas’ Largest City

    Bush Official And Bechtel VP Who Normalized Relations With Qaddafi Plotted With Dictator To Undermine Rebels

  32. 84 jacquelineoboomer
    August 31, 2011 at 3:33 pm

    Our Vice President will be in Ohio on Labor Day, attending the AFL-CIO picnic:


  33. 85 Linda
    August 31, 2011 at 3:51 pm

    John Harris tells me NBC/Politico’s GOP presidential debate will be after Obama is done.


    • August 31, 2011 at 3:52 pm

      Wow, the candidates will look even more like political runts.

    • 87 Debz
      August 31, 2011 at 4:06 pm

      Since only one cable channel will be carrying the “great debate” it will be irrelevant. Everyone wants to know what the Prez is going to do about jobs, and what congress will do, since it affects them now. No one is interested in what a bunch of presidential wanna-be’s have to say. I doubt they were going to get a huge audience for the debate anyway.

  34. 88 desertflower
    August 31, 2011 at 3:52 pm

    Home for lunch and this is what I see? Dennis, if you’re reading this, I have 2 initials. F U ! Another idiot heard from that needs to go away.So much for the “holier than thou” attitude of another one. What pathetic cretins these guys are.

  35. 90 hopefruit2
    August 31, 2011 at 3:57 pm


    AP: Obama making West Coast wing: Seattle on Sept. 25 … 3 stops in Cally: S.F., San Diego and L.A….wraps up in Denver on Sept. 27

  36. 92 Fred
    August 31, 2011 at 4:00 pm

    I hope the President in due time visits the affected areas hit by Irene before they get on his ass 🙄

  37. 95 CTGirl
    August 31, 2011 at 4:06 pm

    Treason! There is more, I bet.

  38. 96 Anonymous
    August 31, 2011 at 4:12 pm

    I bet that Dennis had to change his draws, when he read that story. Notice he is denied that story, quick fast and in a hurry. He is worried about the Logan Act. I don’t think that after this is over, we will be hearing much from Dennis. He is toast.

  39. 97 hopefruit2
    August 31, 2011 at 4:27 pm

    John Hunstman proposes new taxes on seniors and veterans to pay for tax cuts for the rich:


    • 98 HZ
      August 31, 2011 at 5:24 pm

      This little pimp is really trying to put the screws to us. Well, we will not let him do it. Go straight to hell, Mr. Huntsman. I said straight,which means no stopping on the side roads to get plenty of ice cold water. Your evil lips will need it, though. How hateful and destrictive can a person’s heart become. Shame on Mr. Huntsman. I went over and read the article. Sounds like the muck is trying to tear down some of the good POTUS has done. HZ

  40. 99 chiara
    August 31, 2011 at 4:48 pm

    Oh yeah, now that The Atlantic has it there must be people digging around for more information. I personally will withhold my judgement until someone can actually provide evidence that Kucinich spoke with the regime. No doubt there are a number of journalists investigating it right now.

  41. August 31, 2011 at 4:53 pm

    Everyone of these back stabbing self righteous SOBs will take a fall one-by-one.

  42. 101 hopefruit2
    August 31, 2011 at 5:02 pm

    Soon, some in the GOP and PL will declare Al Jazeera the Obama Network, kinda like how MSNBC had that nickname once upon a time.

  43. August 31, 2011 at 5:05 pm

    Why is it these congress Democratic critturs keep flaming? I guess Kucinich thinks he has nothing to lose as his district will get redestricted.

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