106 Responses to “‘the easiest way for a black to become a ‘leader’… attack the president’”

  1. 1 Keith in C-bus, Ohio
    August 25, 2011 at 8:35 pm

    🙄 What can I say. Dems are our own WORSE ememies. 😕 THAT SAID KEEP HOPE ALIVE!! Obama/Biden 2012!!

    • 2 majii
      August 25, 2011 at 9:57 pm

      I’ve made up my mind to take a wider and longer view of people like Cleaver, Waters, Cornel West, Kucinich, etc, Keith. I have to remind myself of the millions of Americans who don’t even know these attention seeking tools. I haven’t spoken to ONE person who voted for BO in 2008 who is saying that he/she will not show up and vote for him in 2012. Those of us who follow politics closely get very upset with these kinds of people, but we need to remind ourselves that if people don’t know who Susan Rice is, they definitely don’t know who Kucinich or any of these other folks are. I’m focusing on registering people to vote, keeping them informed about what PBO has accomplished and intends to accomplish, and on explaining to them how important it is to have the WH and Congress controlled by dems.

      • 3 jacquelineoboomer
        August 25, 2011 at 10:20 pm

        I’d say you certainly have your eye on the prize! It’s an example for everybody. Good work!

      • 4 Uche
        August 25, 2011 at 10:22 pm

        My sentiments exactly majii….I posted a piece along those same lines several days on a different thread. What I see on the ground – the so-called ground game,gives me home and confidence that 2012 will be very successful, despite the noise from empty barrels in the media.

      • 6 Sue in Minnesota
        August 25, 2011 at 10:26 pm

        Majii, I think that is a very wise approach. I want to be able to approach people from a positive position, not a defensive crouch. We have so much to be proud of.

        The MSM filter is very distorting, I feel like we should at least be aware of as much. Context matters, although not typically to the media.

        • 7 Puddin"
          August 26, 2011 at 12:02 am

          Yesterday when one of my clients saw my PBO cardboard cutout, she said, “…well he talks good, but he needs to do more”. I asked her what did she want him to do and she said, “he needs to tell “these” people to get “these things” done and if they don’t, he’s the president, so he should just do himself”. I looked at her and I said, “he is a president not a dictator”. “Congress pass bills, not the president”. I told her that the dems need to get behind PBO like they did Clinton”. She then said, “the media should do their job, they are the main reason why there is so much misinformation out here”. I reminder her of who owns and control the msm. I told her that we are going to have to do what black folks did “back in the day”…we educated ourshelves and each other, we created businesses/jobs, founded banks and lending insitutions and colleges and hospitals and newspapers (dailies, weeklies, monthlies)…we spreaded the “news” in the church (we didn’t just go to church to praise GOD), the barber shop, the “beauty” shop, on the bus, on the front porch, in the back yard, at the card party…” I told her everyday I send at least two of my friends emails, video clips, articles, etc and they send the info or talk to several people. I told her I took to heart what President Elect Obama said November 4, 2008, when he said winning the election was not the end, but the beginning of a lot of hard work…he said he couldn’t do it by himself…he needed all of us. I told her that I have made phone calls to elected officials, I have sent emails and letters…he needs all f to do our part. She didn’t day anything else, but I hope she will hear my small voice in her head one day and then do something!

          • 8 prettyfoot58
            August 26, 2011 at 7:03 am

            Okkkkkkkkkkk…Puddn…that is exactly what we have to do…..and we need to get on the case of the CBC…..and let them know how the bread is buttered….

          • 9 conlakappa
            August 26, 2011 at 8:59 am

            Maybe you should send her a copy of “I’m Just a Bill!” Making weekly calls for OFA keeps me energized and with an eye on who the base is.

            • 10 lmrj
              August 26, 2011 at 2:36 pm

              WOW! I just posted “I’m Just a Bill” on my Facebook page for my family to see. I had a great response from the 20 & 30 somethings in my family. They all remembered that little learning tool and saw exactly what I had been saying about Congress not doing it’s job and blaming PBO. 🙂

          • 11 Sue in Minnesota
            August 26, 2011 at 11:42 am

            Thanks Puddin” ..this is what we all need to be doing. Discrediting the false memes, educating the misinformed, correcting false assumptions relating to the functions of our government and how it is designed to work, and engaging the people to become the energy required to facilitate action. We have the right leader, we need to become the force behind his ideas.

      • 12 gcwp1
        August 25, 2011 at 11:05 pm

        I appreciate your post, majii. I’m not tremendously worried, just angry at too many people.

        Thank you – ‘night.

      • 13 Keith in C-bus, Ohio
        August 25, 2011 at 11:06 pm

        Thanks majii. Excellent. Lets continue to work. 😀

      • 14 prettyfoot58
        August 25, 2011 at 11:19 pm


        i would go one step further…

        leadership is earned….you have to pay your dues to earn that kind of following…..you cannot transplant a leader in the community…and calling a person a leader…does not make it so…

        • 15 conlakappa
          August 26, 2011 at 9:00 am

          Yep. They are supposed to represent their districts. Are they doing so well or just chest-puffing while trying to get access to a wider audience?

      • 16 a4alice
        August 25, 2011 at 11:23 pm

        Yep Majii I like your perspective. I too have friends who have voted for Obama and will again this time around too. As long as I can stay informed and inform and chat with the people around me – they will tell others around them and so on and so on. That’s how it starts. We have the time. night kids.

  2. 17 desertflower
    August 25, 2011 at 8:48 pm

    OT…but what a good idea…get involved of you can http://www.nationalnursesunited.org/affiliates/entry/msc1 And by the way…the Rev rocks:)

  3. 18 GGail
    August 25, 2011 at 8:51 pm

    I’m not gonna watch this video because I want to see Rev Al’s show online later. But it must be informative if Chipsticks posted it.

  4. August 25, 2011 at 8:52 pm


    • 20 jacquelineoboomer
      August 25, 2011 at 8:58 pm

      It’s going to take a whole bunch of us quite a while to forget how the CBC acted this month! Shame on them.

    • August 25, 2011 at 9:21 pm

      I was reading Joy Reid’s timeline on twitter while it was happening and just from that viewpoint I saw how disgusting they were. It was uncalled for, unproductive and just down right deplorable. Maxine Waters especially.

      • August 25, 2011 at 9:59 pm

        Exactly Gobrooklyn. I was beyond annoyed watching that crap. They are in an entirely different league from PBO. Maxine kept talking about jobs being shipped over seas. Seems to me if she was truly concerned, she would do her part and ditch those straw-like-raggedy ass-made-in-China wigs that she wears.

        • 24 TrumpDog
          August 25, 2011 at 11:17 pm

          Seems to me if she was truly concerned, she would do her part and ditch those straw-like-raggedy ass-made-in-China wigs that she wears.

          hehheee 😀

      • 25 Puddin"
        August 26, 2011 at 12:07 am

        Last week I lost respect for them all, but mostly for Maxine Waters…I told them so in an email.

        • August 26, 2011 at 5:44 am

          Puddin” I lost respect for Waters too and I email her, I call her office and I sent her a letter in the mail and I told her exactly what I think of her running around the country attacking our President. Like you I have lost respect for the CBC also, because they should not have stab him in the back like that. And Waters with her loud mouth, I just can’t stand her anymore. Yes we need jobs, yes it has it the black community harder, it always do. But to run to tv and place the blame on President Obama was wrong. She knows what this President has to deal with in Congress and the Senate. I told Mrs. Waters, thank you for doing your part in helping some radical right wing nut get elected.

    • 27 aquagranny911
      August 25, 2011 at 11:35 pm

      Thank you Lynn! That was my own thought exactly when I saw that clip on Rev Al yesterday. Cleaver got handed the mop and told ‘clean up on aisle #3’ Don’t know about you but I am not in a forgiving mood any more for those who bash and do not STAND STRONG with our Prez.

  5. 29 Frenchie08
    August 25, 2011 at 8:58 pm

    Actually it is a feel good video. You should watch it!

  6. 30 Sue in Minnesota
    August 25, 2011 at 9:01 pm

    The Good Reverand is a charmer. That was a much needed and honest statement!

  7. 31 Me4obama
    August 25, 2011 at 9:03 pm

    Rep Satan Sandwich needs to SHUT UP. He attacked the president when he made the budget Deal and called it a Satan Sandwich and he was rewarded by all morning, noon and evening news shows. The CBC will never get a penny from me again and thank you Rev Al for speaking the truth.

    • August 25, 2011 at 11:03 pm


    • 36 prettyfoot58
      August 26, 2011 at 7:09 am

      I do not plan to abandon the CBC….we need their votes in Congress and they are not like the TP…they can be influenced and that is what we need to do….it is on us to push them…and that is what i plan to do…as we all should…..calling them names or insulting them is not the way to go….the electorate…has to make it voice heard….we want them to support the President’s plan…ipso facto….

      • August 26, 2011 at 10:08 am

        I agree. Cleaver made a bad comment and apparently his constituents let him know it. He made some good points and said they are ready to support the Pres. We’ll see of course but I thought he did alright in that segment.

    • 38 lmrj
      August 26, 2011 at 2:43 pm

      From what I saw last week on Twitter and Facebook during those “attack PBO” phony jobs town halls, they surely got the message and may have to worry about whether or not they will be re-elected in their own districts. They allowed themselves to be used like disposable dish towels and will not be thrown away and left to their own devices. Chickens will come home to roost.

  8. August 25, 2011 at 9:03 pm

    They need to do their Job. Where are the job bills. They want to point fingers, we can point fingers too. If you are not part of the solution, then you must be part of the problem.

    • August 25, 2011 at 9:05 pm

      Speak, they haven’t done sh!t (excuse my language) in effing years, and they want to point fingers at the President.

      • 41 prettyfoot58
        August 25, 2011 at 11:30 pm

        I agree that the CBC has to be held accountable….and that they messed up royally…but i cannot abandon them…they are our reps…and we in the community must exert our influence on them….because they need us…cause altho some of them my have made the rounds on TV shows…they know that theycould not get a sniff..form this same MSM or get press coverage in magazines or newspapers.if they wanted to really talk about the so-called Black Agenda..and they know that better than anyone…

        We in the Black Community along with progressive allies who elected them…have to hold them ACCOUNTABLE…instead of just re-electing them time and time again…..

        we need their votes to help push forth the jobs agenda that the president will put forth….that is what we want…that is what we demand.and we should make sure that they understand…that is what we expect of them…and that we will not settle for less….

        Firedddddddddd UP…READY to Goooo…

        • August 26, 2011 at 5:52 am

          prettyfoot58, if I have no respect for them, the CBC, I can and will abandon them. My point is, and I ask Rep. Waters, do she think the Black community will fair better under a President Perry, Bachmann, or Romney? Do she think the jobs will come rolling in under either one of those nuts.I told her that if this President had a Congress who would work with him, I really believe things would be better for all Americans.

          • 43 prettyfoot58
            August 26, 2011 at 7:15 am

            I do not see the CBC in the same way as the TP/Repubs….on any given day…they can be treated as any black man or woman in the country…..indeed….treated in the manner the President is….

            this is a common experience that does not go away because you become an elected experience…i know this …they know this….the black community knows this ….

            we need those votes….they can be influenced…pushed and prodded…..and that is what we must do…YES it is important to express our outrage…our discontent….but we also must not turn out back on them….

          • August 26, 2011 at 10:18 am

            Well her constituents were obviously on the job because a day or so later she was trying desperately to walk it back, held a jobs fair and told the Tea Party to go to blazes. I’m proud of her constituents rather than her but sometimes all it takes is lighting a fire under them.

    • 45 Puddin"
      August 26, 2011 at 12:19 am

      Where were they when NAFTA was signed?

      • 46 conlakappa
        August 26, 2011 at 9:06 am

        Probably telling Clinton how much they stood behind him? The CBC celebrates its 40th anniversary this year and needs to have something to say for all of those years. Does it? I wrote elsewhere that that greatest accomplishment I could see was to serve as a model for the CHC, which laps them in accomplishments and focus. I met with people from both groups years ago. The CHC staffer told me straight up that the greatest focus was education and ensuring those kids graduated high school and considered college. Period. Guess what was in the paper the other day? The numbers of hispanics/latinos on college campuses have now surpassed blacks, increasing dramatically. Face forward and eyes on the prize.

  9. 47 Ladyhawke
    August 25, 2011 at 9:12 pm

    Rachel Maddow is eviscerating Rich Romney right now. It’s just awesome. He takes flip flop flipping to a whole new level. I don’t know how anybody could figure out what he really believes in. It’s really pathetic. His campaign knew he had a problem with flip flopping but apparently they don’t seem to have a strategy for how to handle it.

    • 48 Me4obama
      August 25, 2011 at 9:21 pm

      If he becomes the nominee we will be wearing flip flops but i believe he is done. He refused to attend the Demint Labour day show and all the other presidential clowns will be attending.

  10. 49 Bobfr
    August 25, 2011 at 9:29 pm

    Perhaps OT, but it would be highly unlikely that a dialogue like this would be happening on 25 August 2011, had our President Obama not acted in the reasoned, empathetic and focused way that he did.

    I hope you folk don’t mind my bringing these poignant messages to you:


    Fadrinka posted–
    “…After a general celebration, once Tripoli is cleansed from mercs and Gaddaf forces, and Sirte and other last spots are handled—then Libya will need to have a month(??) of mourning and
    remembrance for all those who were martyred, to tell all the tales of their wartime experiences…”

    yes, yes, yes!!!

    yes 1– need a time to celebrate and blow off the elation(this is necessary or nothing will get done, as people will be too distracted to focus–they will just want to party. that is why they set a date for celebration of sports home team victory–if no date, then random partying and everyone is distracted)

    yes 2– need a time to mourn and properly honor the martyred(this is imperative in all grief counseling. if no time to properly grieve, then the hurt and anger builds up inside and causes mental anguish. additionally, proper honoring of these martyrs–especially in a national observance–will create pride in the sacrifices, and create a common bond and rallying point to help motivate the new nation as it heals its wounds.)

    yes 3– need people to document this amazing feat and the stories and logistics behind it (a complete revolution from beginning-to-end with all the details that could never be captured in anything before it. and if the people of libya are as good about forming your new nation and rebuilding as we believe you are, it will be a story for all posterity, as i already went on about in another post!)”


    To which Fadrinka responded:

    “number6 — my contacts are on the blog and they will convey our recommendations to those who will know what to do. Glad you “get” what I am trying to say, and how it can be helpful to all Libyans to heal and also to remember with such pride what they have accomplished.”


    This is Nation building by the people, for the people and with the people who truly care about the future of Libya.

    In a few years, it is likely that historians and others will see in the birth of a democratic Libya, and how the Libyan people with assistance from their freedoms, emulated in a 21st Century version what our Founding Fathers achieved in the 18th Century.

    Yes.We.Can. … DO.More.Together!

  11. 56 sjterrid
    August 25, 2011 at 9:57 pm

    Bobfr I really appreciate all your updates on what is happening on the ground in Libya. Please continue to give us updates. Your reporting is certainly better than our msm.

    • 63 Bobfr
      August 25, 2011 at 10:38 pm

      Something special to share with all of you:

      Posted by dear dmzagi

      “A small offering, to celebrate a good day, from your poor mans’ poet

      The Libyan flag floats in the breeze
      it’s people are soon to be at ease
      sleep at night with no thought of dread
      Gaddiafi and his evil spawn have fled

      Their days are brightening, sun all around
      no more shadow from the evil hound
      children playing in the street
      and friends and family they can meet

      Talk of Freedom fills the air
      now they have not a care
      discuss, speak freely and opine
      no more talk of that evil swine

      Goodnight yet again ….. ”


      • 64 Ladyhawke
        August 25, 2011 at 10:52 pm

        The eloquence and joy in this poem just rips your heart out. This line alone (Talk of Freedom fills the air) just makes me want to weep like a baby. This poem is exquisite and powerful. Bring on the waterworks. Somebody get me a tissue.

      • 65 jacquelineoboomer
        August 25, 2011 at 11:29 pm

        So beautiful. Thanks for bringing that here.

      • 66 Bobfr
        August 26, 2011 at 12:08 am

        To Ladyhawke and jacqueline … Thank you and I’m so grateful for your appreciation of dmzagi’s gift to all of us.

        We are all going to learn many, many lessons from our Libyan sisters and brothers – all because President Obama believed in them and did what was best for them – the strict inverse of NEOCON exceptionalism, for sure.

        Yes.We.Can. … DO.More.Together!

  12. 67 StR
    August 25, 2011 at 9:59 pm

    I can’t watch the vid, but I’d like Rev. Al to ask these CBC folks the last time they are asked to all the shows before they attacked the President? I don’t think I ever heard Cleaver mentioned ever until he spouted off about “Satan Sandwich” and even after saying that he voted against it but said “I would have voted for it if it was the deciding vote” What a putz.

    Only time I heard about Maxine Waters was when her ethics violation was brought up – she blasts the President and she’s all over the news for a day or two.

  13. 68 donna dem 4 obama
    August 25, 2011 at 10:02 pm

    Excellent article….

    Cronkite Rolls In His Grave As CBS Reveals Its Right Wing Bias

    “These days there is no impartiality in the media, and Knoller’s story that Obama has increased the debt more than Bush is a prime example of conservative media bias. The test of Knoller’s credibility is whether he will issue a retraction and apology to President Obama for lying to help Republicans. There may be an apology coming, but only if Knoller gets permission from his masters in the Republican Party and right wing corporate news machine.”


    • 69 jacquelineoboomer
      August 25, 2011 at 10:15 pm

      I’m almost beginning to believe that people are starting to expose more and more of these morally bankrupt members of the media, with a vengeance. Almost.

    • 70 Uche
      August 25, 2011 at 10:31 pm

      The fool has taken quite a beating on twitter for that tripe…and deservedly so. He’s been in hiding since the 23rd…last time he sent out a tweet.

      • August 25, 2011 at 10:35 pm

        He’s been on vacation but I think he’s due back very soon. He won’t respond but I’m sure he’s read all those tweets that are calling him out on the carpet in no uncertain terms. I also made sure to include @cbsnews in my tweets.

  14. 72 jacquelineoboomer
    August 25, 2011 at 10:03 pm

    You may have seen Robert Putnam, Professor of Public Policy at Harvard, interviewed by Rachel Maddow tonight. He was describing his research on the makeup of the Tea Party. Among other details, and I’m paraphrasing here, one of the highest percentages of reasons why people turned to the Tea Party, among others, involved an unease about minority groups … this not only included their being against immigration, but also in their ranking of minority groups, they, for instance, ranked African Americans at the low end of whatever bigoted scale they have developed for themselves.

    After I saw the short clip and switched the channel, I looked for and found an op-ed Professor Putnam and a co-author wrote for the New York Times on Aug. 17 (Crashing the Tea Party). Here’s just one excerpt, but I suggest you read the full op-ed, if you haven’t already. I think it’s the first time I, personally, have seen this all spelled out in writing from a distinguished author. It’s something we’ve all known, but here it is clearly unfolded.

    The “telling” excerpt:

    “So what do Tea Partiers have in common? They are overwhelmingly white, but even compared to other white Republicans, they had a low regard for immigrants and blacks long before Barack Obama was president, and they still do.”


    • 73 jacquelineoboomer
      August 25, 2011 at 10:07 pm

      BTW, the article also gives some hope that the Tea Party can’t have the impact it had much longer, because most Americans won’t stand for it. Fingers crossed.

      • August 25, 2011 at 11:19 pm


    • August 25, 2011 at 10:38 pm

      It’s weird because the tea party where I live have no problem at all with immigrants. As long as they’re from Canada.

    • 77 majii
      August 25, 2011 at 10:42 pm

      None of this is hard for me to believe, jacqueline.

      Until 2009 I had taught high school social studies in GA for 33 years, and I had co-workers who had no problem showing their disdain for myself and other people of color on the faculty. After BO won the presidential election in November 2008, many of the faculty members hung their racism out for all to see. The atmosphere in the school was funereal and remained that way for the rest of the 2008-2009 school year. BO’s winning the election laid bare the hypocrisy of the so-called “c”hristian members of the faculty, and I was so glad that I had decided to retire at the end of that school year.

      • 78 jacquelineoboomer
        August 25, 2011 at 11:26 pm

        Wow, majii, so sorry to hear that – but congratulations on your retirement, obviously well earned.

        It’s stunning to me that in 2011 – or 2008 – people still feel and felt this way and continue to act this way. It takes so much energy to be bigoted against whole groups of people … to “show their disdain” for people of color. What a complete waste of time, with life so short and so many great things they could involve themselves in … if they had any soul. Or sense. Or intelligence.

        One of the things I pass on to my grandchildren is that if you have to make somebody else look bad to make yourself look better, you’re already not lookin’ so good in my eyes.

        Let’s stay together to get President Obama re-elected, despite those who want anything but that. He has done and will do so much for our country – we just must keep him around for another four years after his first term! He and our dear Joe!

    • 79 EDP4BHO
      August 25, 2011 at 10:55 pm

      Have not read the article yet, but what accounts for the black peepartiers? Guess I’ll go find out.. LOL!

    • 80 Sue in Minnesota
      August 25, 2011 at 11:13 pm

      I hope the Republican party damages its brand for the next generation…..as the author suggests, and history shows, is a probability.

    • 81 Sue in Minnesota
      August 26, 2011 at 11:54 am

      In a nutshell they are racists, somehow using religion to justify their ugly hearts. Jesus taught us to love one another, somewhere he weeps.

  15. 82 GGail
    August 25, 2011 at 10:18 pm

    I just finished watching HARDBALL. I’ve been tuning into it online this week and enjoying the host, Ron Reagan and his guests. Ron asks good questions, has insightful comments and a humor that I can appreciate. I’m sending MSNBC another email expressing my enjoyment and hopes that they find a slot for him as well as a slot for Melissa Harris-Perry. And I’ll thank them for hiring Rev Al.

    I’ll stop watching HARDBALL when Chris returns.

    Now, on to Rev Al. 😀

    • August 25, 2011 at 10:36 pm

      I’d be perfectly happy if they took Matthews off the air entirely. He brings absolutely nothing to the table.

      • 84 jacquelineoboomer
        August 25, 2011 at 11:14 pm

        I’m around the same age as Chris and going strong (ha ha), but he’s intellectually way past his prime and shouldn’t be in a prime time news slot.

        • 85 Sue in Minnesota
          August 26, 2011 at 12:00 pm

          How old is Chris? I think he suffers from frozen mind set, or has vision problems, IMO he really fails at reading and understanding President Obama. I did send him an e-mail asking him who rents the space inside his head….my impression is he doesn’t seem to be able to think for himself.

    • August 25, 2011 at 11:14 pm

      The screaming and the spitting got too much for me a long time ago, and besides you never know what Chris you’re going to get from one day to the next. The man definitely has a least three personalities that’s at war within his head.

    • 87 TrumpDog
      August 25, 2011 at 11:21 pm

      He used to have a radio show that I LOVED. I hope he goes back on air – whether TV or radio. He’s really good.

    • August 26, 2011 at 10:24 am

      I noticed that. He also has a wonderful habit of keeping quiet and letting them actually answer the question.

  16. August 25, 2011 at 10:21 pm

    Nothing but the truth.

    You have to realize that lots of mediocre blacks are not comfortable with other blacks being in real power.

    They were more comfortable, for example, being Clinton’s lapdog or welcoming Bush into their pulpit. (Yes, I’m talking about you, Tavis Smiley and “Bishop” Eddie Long.) They don’t want real responsibility or accountability. They just want to be the keeper of the crumbs that they get by being a mascot or gatekeeper. The communities never improved under their watch. The churches and pulpit pimps got richer while preachers steered their sheep into bad mortgages (and got their cuts) and then bought Bentleys with the money. The schools crumbled while jive mayors were elected and running scams in the mayoral mansions.

    Somebody like Barack Obama rocked their world because he wasn’t happy being a hip-hop mayor or sitting in a congressional seat for 30 years. He had his sights set higher and he helped a lot of people along the way. He’s brilliant, inspirational, confident, and not about foolishness. He has an actual track record that I would put up against any so-called black leader. I’m happy he’s not paying these barkers any mind. It’s time for a new generation of real leadership anyway — people who are smart, focused and know how to really solve problems.

    All that being said, I do love the term “Satan Sandwich” and I’m not angry at Cleaver for coining it — it was hilarious 😆 .

    • August 25, 2011 at 10:46 pm

      Agree with every word you wrote. Pres Obama is in a league of his own and he came to Washington to work, not to preen. I cannot stand Cleaver. He’s been saying things against the President since he won. He was Clinton’s guy. And the nerve of him to speak about Pres Obama’s hair going gray quickly. Cleaver is an old bird and I know he’s using Hair Club for Men to hide his. Phony. Vain. Ugh.

      • 91 EDP4BHO
        August 25, 2011 at 11:02 pm

        ” Hair Club for Men”

        Yeah, I noticed he is older than PBO, with black hair. My dad dyed his hair for years until he had a stroke at age 67, and then we all got to see how pretty naturally gray hair is. “Leave it to Cleaver” looks like a fool even attempting to joke about PBO after his diabolical rantings.

      • 92 HZ
        August 26, 2011 at 12:47 am

        Thank you PoliticalJunkessa. You nailed it in your entire comment. Thank you so much.HZ

    • 93 Sue in Minnesota
      August 25, 2011 at 10:46 pm

      Thank you……essentially for alot of individuals politics is a con game. Fact is it doesn’t have to be, and ideally shouldn’t be.
      President Obama is a leader, and establishing new and very high standards as he goes. He also is new politics…..the learning curve is steep. Change is easier to resist, and what you resist persists. I’ve maintained all along that change has come, in many varied and some subtle ways, America has not necessarily caught on, which brings me back to that learning curve.

    • 94 dotster
      August 25, 2011 at 11:20 pm

      Can someone explain how after “Bishop” Eddie Long was accused by a bunch of young boys of luring them into sexual relationships with him, posing as a caring father figure and giving them cars, jewelry, electronics and overseas trips, all the hypocrisy and ugliness exposed—-case settled out of court with big payouts to the now young men——that 25,000 still show up to hear him preach every Sunday??? How can this be?

      • 95 Keith in C-bus, Ohio
        August 26, 2011 at 12:16 am

        😯 Dolster I knew nothing of this behavior by Bishop Eddie Long. I am shocked. He is one of my National Evangelical Heroes along with Bishop T.D. Jakes. WOW………

        • 96 majii
          August 26, 2011 at 3:58 pm

          Long has a long history of collusion with GWB and other “c”hristians on the right. When this scandal broke, ajc.com revealed a lot of information about Long’s associations with the so-called evangelicals like GWB and printed a picture of GWB’s visit to Long’s church. He has the same mindset as many of them: it doesn’t matter what he does, only what he says matters. He seems to be a money man along the lines of Rick Warren and Creflo Dollar because he appears to love living large.

      • 97 majii
        August 26, 2011 at 3:54 pm

        IMO, dotster, the answer is simple: they’re following Long instead of following Jesus. This is the only way I can see anyone continuing to attend a place of worship where the leader is a hypocrite. I left my church back in 2001 after my dad’s funeral for the same reason: the pastor was a money-grubbing hypocrite who was hosting porno parties at his home with certain high-level officers in the church on the weekends and coming in to “preach” on Sunday. I also didn’t like the way he used the pulpit to “air” his grievances with members of the church. I’m still a Christian, I just don’t attend that church anymore.

    • 98 Keith in C-bus, Ohio
      August 25, 2011 at 11:41 pm


  17. 99 utaustinliberal
    August 25, 2011 at 10:24 pm

    Love how Rev Al subtly shamed Cleaver. Cleaver knows not to come on Rev Al’s show and continue the ludicrous stupidity laden press junket the CBC has been on.

  18. 100 donna dem 4 obama
    August 25, 2011 at 11:10 pm

    Stand Up & Fight Back ~ The United Steel Workers

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