‘evolution is a theory that’s out there’

Texas Observer: …. “And here your mom was asking about evolution, and you know, it’s a theory that’s out there and it’s got some gas in it,” said Mr. Perry (to nine-year-old Sam Beane). “In Texas, we teach both creationism and evolution in our public schools…. I figure you’re smart enough to figure out which one is right. Thank you.”

Just the day before, Perry tackled climate change (again): “I do believe that the issue of global warming has been politicized. I think there are a substantial number of scientists who have manipulated data so that they will have dollars rolling into their projects.”

For anyone who’s paid attention to Perry’s career in Texas, these counterfactual remarks aren’t surprising in the least. For years, Perry has been saying things that would earn him a ‘D’ in any college (or high school) science class. He wears his anti-intellectualism on his sleeve like a boutonnière.

And it’s more than just words. Perry has packed key agencies, such as the Texas Commission on Environmental Quality, with yes men who hold views far outside the scientific mainstream on climate change, toxicology, and environmental regulation….

But, perhaps more interesting, is that Perry doesn’t appear to know Texas’ official policy on the teaching of evolution in public schools …. it is plainly unconstitutional to teach creationism in public schools. The courts have been consistent on this question. Most recently, in 2005’s Kitzmiller v. Dover, a federal judge ruled that intelligent design can’t be taught in public schools because it’s tantamount to religion, not science, and thus violates the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment.

…. Regardless of what the official curriculum is, there are teachers in Texas who do teach creationism. I know, because I had a teacher that did so in my Central Texas high school. She proudly displayed a bumper sticker on her podium that read something like, “Big Bang Theory: God Said ‘Bang’ and There it Was.” Her students picked up on her creationist catch-phrases – “Can’t make a chain out of missing links” – and took pity on us in the AP biology class, where evolution was taught as the cornerstone of biology.

Maybe this is what Rick Perry meant when he said “we teach both creationism and evolution in our public schools.” Creationism *is* taught occasionally; it’s just that it’s not supposed to be…..

Full article here

ThinkProgress: New GOP presidential contender Gov. Rick Perry continues to get a free pass from the press for his stimulus hypocrisy on the campaign trail. Last week the governor claimed that the Recovery Act signed by President Obama had “failed” — conveniently forgetting that he accepted more stimulus money than any other state besides California, and used the funds to close 97 percent of Texas’ massive budget deficit.

The Houston Chronicle reported that as of July 2010, federal stimulus funds created or saved 47,700 jobs in the Lone Star State. Yet today during a question-and-answer session in Pembroke, New Hampshire, Perry once again feigned ignorance of the indispensable benefits his state received from stimulus money. In fact, he claimed that the stimulus “didn’t create any jobs, as far as I can tell”…

… So far, Texas has used $17.4 billion in federal stimulus money to keep schools open, ensure Medicaid coverage for children, and put more people to work on infrastructure projects … Texans would have been much harder hit by the recession if the Recovery Act hadn’t been there to cushion the blow.

Full post here

Thanks Fred


Robert Shrum: Rick Perry entered the Republican primaries with Texas-size swagger and prairie-shaking thunder from the right. After just a few days of pyrotechnics, Karl Rove, minister of the dark arts for the last Texas president, reproved Perry as “un-presidential.”

…. The Perry appeal is intense, but limited. He has no coherent economic plan; rather he boasts about his record as a job creator in Texas. It turns out that between 2007 and 2010, the state lost 178,000 private sector jobs; the new jobs came in the public sector, 125,000 of them — fueled by the federal stimulus he denounced as he raked the money in.

His partisans claim an advantage for him as the only Southerner in the race, but his brand won’t appeal in the changing South, in places like Virginia and North Carolina, where a PPP poll shows him running 8 points behind Obama. And then there’s Florida, where Perry’s radical notion that Social Security and Medicare are unconstitutional — and states should be able to opt out — would make him radically unacceptable to senior citizens. He could also pose as a Westerner. But in Colorado, which withstood the GOP tide of 2010 by choosing both a Democratic senator and a Democratic governor, Perry loses to Obama by 13 points.

Perry, who’s previously spoken of Texas seceding from the Union and who’s proposed repealing the 16th and 17th Amendments – the income tax and the popular election of senators — could have general election trouble even in marginally red states. While people may feel the country is on the wrong track, they won’t rally to someone who will take America completely off the rails. So Rove’s right: Perry’s wrong for the GOP.

This leads establishment Republicans to gravitate grudgingly toward Romney, who’s now the former front-runner because he has employed the classic and historically failed approach of just trying to hold on to a lead. He’s “tortoise-like,” one of his aids rationalized to Politico. A strategist who has worked with Romney added that for him to prevail, “Perry needs to make some mistakes.” That’s a recipe for spending tens of millions of dollars on a run-up to a withdrawal speech.

… Right now in a painful economic time, the kind that has always stirred paranoia in America, Rick Perry is an updated replay of Huey Long in the 1930s, a William Jennings Bryan in reverse. In Bryan’s words, it is Perry who would “press-down upon the brow of labor [a] crown of thorns.” The Texan may exploit the flame of anger to win the primaries, only to see himself and his party consumed in November.

For Rove, who already sees that reality, I offer only half a defense; in 2012, Republicans may reap the whirlwind of what he’s sowed in the past decade…

Full article here

93 Responses to “‘evolution is a theory that’s out there’”

  1. 1 COS
    August 18, 2011 at 8:26 pm

    Good evening Chips and everyone. Thanks for all of the great threads today.

  2. August 18, 2011 at 8:33 pm

    I’m so sick of this silliness with elected officials. I am nearly 54 and was taught in public schools in CA- EVOLUTION.. my mother was taught the same dang thing in her school in ND- she is now 78 years old. And we have these Religious persons… pushing unscientific information on our young people- and they are getting paid by our government while they do this. Gov. Perry will never be President. NEVER. I will work day and night to make sure I turn every vote possible against him. And the media pushing him ought to be called out every single time they do so for their ridiculousness, for their willigness to take us back in time to battles already fought and hard won by intelligent people in this country.

  3. 3 Fred
    August 18, 2011 at 8:37 pm

    lawd hammercy! I might just forgive Waters just for 1 hot minute if she keeps THAT up 😆

    Waters: Allen West’s Comments ‘So Odd’ — And I’m Helping His Brother (VIDEO)

  4. 8 utaustinliberal
    August 18, 2011 at 8:45 pm

    How in the heck one cannot believe in evolution or that climate change is real, just astounds me. I’ve met people like Rick Perry and their ignorance freaks me out. Having a conversation with them is like walking through a maze, or trying to find Waldo. I had great teachers and took all AP classes and thank goodness my teacher didn’t try to teach creationism or intelligent design, because he or she would have been run out of my high school. We didn’t tolerate that BS. I had GREAT teachers in high school and you want to know why? My teachers were all LIBERALS. Not saying conservative teachers aren’t good teachers, but my high school teachers were liberals and boy were they great with facts and none of the BS that Rick Perry was trying to shove through with regressive education legislation after regressive legislation.

  5. 9 hopefruit2
    August 18, 2011 at 8:49 pm

    Perry is doing his silly theatrical dance because the average politician is no longer content to be a just an elected official – they want their own 15 minutes of fame and celebrity. The average news analyist is no longer content to just report the news. They also want their 25 minutes of fame and celebrity. They see the President as being a rather popular celebrity-type figure and cannot let it be without trying to get a piece of what they think he has. (Newsflash: He’s governing the country – the popularity and celebrity are parenthetical, not central). The whole bunch of these pundits, congressional and gubernatorial critters are tiresome and need to give it up. If these critters and pundits want drama then they should go to Times Square and audition for a role on Broadway, not run for office to make important decisions that will affect people, or report news about important current events.

  6. 13 donna dem 4 obama
    August 18, 2011 at 9:02 pm

    Not one of these clowns running for President on the right has an ounce of sense.

    Our great President once said:

    “Making your mark on the world is hard. If it were easy, everybody would do it. But it’s not. It takes patience, it takes commitment, and it comes with plenty of failure along the way. The real test is not whether you avoid this failure, because you won’t. it’s whether you let it harden or shame you into inaction, or whether you learn from it; whether you choose to persevere.”

    I choose to persevere Mr. President and you will too with a re-election win next year because your competition is simply pathetic.

    • 14 Keith in C-bus, Ohio
      August 18, 2011 at 9:14 pm


    • 16 utaustinliberal
      August 18, 2011 at 9:17 pm

      Thank you so much Donna for reminding me about this honest and true statement by President Obama. It rings even more true during these times and these words and the meaning behind them are sorely needed and much appreciated.

    • August 18, 2011 at 9:29 pm

      These are words we could all use in our lives.

      I received the anniversary edition of PBO’s speech to the 2004 convention from OFA and it is so beautiful to read his words again and again. I look forward to all the books he will write in the future. He is a tremendous inspiration.

      • August 18, 2011 at 10:05 pm

        Meta, I’m with you. I can’t wait to read Prez O’s own account of his presidency! ……… Actually I’m of two minds – I don’t want his presidency to end as I’m experiencing my highest involvement in politics EVER and it’s wonderful to be alive under his leadership, while I’m anxious for each day to pass quickly so that I can experience the next victory PBO will mastermind. In short, I want time to hurry up so I can see what the President does next, AND I don’t want time to pass too quickly because PBO can only serve one other term! Quite the dilemma, eh?

        • 19 Obama Grandmama
          August 18, 2011 at 10:37 pm

          I understand your dilemma of wanting PBO’s time in office to last as long as possible and to pass quickly. I have not been following politics so closely ever before and it is frustrating and exhilarating all at once. I don’t know if I can ever be so inspired to do this again as I am now with this President. I do know I fear that a Republican could get into office and counter all the good that has been done so will fight on for PBO. I also wish him peace as he has taken on sooooo much for all of us, but I do not want it to come through losing the next election as we need him in office.

        • August 18, 2011 at 10:55 pm

          vcpresofan2, I love the way you put this. I’m more engaged than ever and am so looking forward to his second term. I also look forward to what he accomplishes in the future. He is someone I will always admire and respect. I wish I could work in his future library.

    • August 18, 2011 at 9:53 pm

      Awesome words, Donna; thank you for the reminder. I like the President’s insistence that we all make choices in life. This sounds like it might have been a message from one of his commencement speeches.

    • August 18, 2011 at 11:16 pm

      beautiful, donna. thank you. 🙂

  7. August 18, 2011 at 9:16 pm

    I’m loving these flash mob protests…..DEMOCRACY AT WORK!

    hands off my medicare.

  8. August 18, 2011 at 9:19 pm

    You know, this is an election for President of the United States. Why in the hell do I have to be subjected to the right-wing extremists’ opinion about evolution? I’m just SICK to death of their nonsense and constant BS that has NOTHING to do with being President or with governing. ENOUGH with the evangelical obsessions. I’m sick of their ignorant agenda!

    • 25 dotster
      August 18, 2011 at 9:49 pm

      Yes! Me too! Fed up with the whole twilight zone feel of it. Ignorant people running for POTUS! Unbelievable! And I’m sick of the news media keeping a straight face through all this utter ridiculousness, promoting candidates who have no business running for anything of importance, let alone the POTUS, religious whackos, religious hypocrites. Ignoring all the enormous talents of this president, failing to report on all he has had to put up with, all the treasonous obstruction, failing to report all the absurdities, failing to tell the truth. It’s outraeous. In the extreme.

      • August 18, 2011 at 9:54 pm

        Oh, thank you! The nuts in the press acting like this is some kind of normal is really stupefying and demoralizing. Asking Trump or Palin or Paul or ignoramus Perry for their opinion about anything and everything is just total abject idiocy.

        • 27 Obama Grandmama
          August 18, 2011 at 10:43 pm

          I saw Palin and Trump criticizing PBO for going on vacation. Trump even said he heard PBO passed GW’s number of days on vacation so far. Atleast Ed Schultz showed the stats of 70 days so far for Obama and 225 days at the same point in time for GW Bush. That includes days at Camp David. Palin the Quitter having any legitimacy on the issue is ridiculous. Also Donald Trump is just proving himself either really uninformed or just a straight out liar. I know I will never watch The Apprentice again.

  9. August 18, 2011 at 9:24 pm

    This just INFURIATES ME:

    Last night, Rep. Patrick McHenry (R-NC) encountered an “agitated” town hall audience in his heavily Republican district. According to reporter Jordan-Ashley Baker, McHenry was confronted by a number of constituents frustrated with the gridlock in Congress and the failure to produce any new jobs:

    Tempers flared more than once during the question-and-answer session as some town hall attendees questioned McHenry’s responses. Some people placed their heads in their hands while others crossed their arms before them. They demanded different answers and more action from the congressman. Others walked out. […]

    “What do you propose to do that you haven’t done in the last couple years to bring back jobs, make the economy better?” Hillman asked the fourth-term U.S. congressman.

    Constituent Melba Chandler’s “voice broke” when she approached the congressman about her sons, both active duty military servicemen, and asked only one question of McHenry:

    “I would appreciate it if you could work to get our boys home,” she said.

    It should be noted that McHenry, an eager cheerleader for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, has not worked on any substantive legislation to end the wars or develop new jobs programs. Rather, as ThinkProgress has reported, he has spent the last few months vacationing with payday lending lobbyists and planting attacks on regulators charged with overseeing loan sharks. Last year, McHenry sponsored legislation to place a picture of Ronald Reagan on the $50 bill.

    McHenry, who was flanked by 14 police officers for security purposes, said the turn out at the town halls in Kings Mountain was the highest its been since 2009.


    • August 18, 2011 at 9:26 pm

      SIX of this kind of freeloading off the American taxpayer years for this Rep. Americans deserve BETTER.

      • August 18, 2011 at 9:27 pm

        Sorry, that was supposed to say:

        SIX years of this kind of freeloading off the American taxpayer for this Rep. Americans deserve BETTER.

    • 34 GGail
      August 18, 2011 at 9:31 pm

      The story doesn’t say how McHenry replied to the questions

    • 36 Sue in Minnesota
      August 18, 2011 at 10:09 pm

      McHenry was the commitee member that was so disrespectful and rude to Elizabeth Warren. He was a horses ass…..demeaning her and treating her as if her schedule did not have to be honored. The meeting ran over and she needed to excuse herself for another commitment
      …I believe he really caught hell for his degrading attitude towards her.

      • 37 HZ
        August 19, 2011 at 2:03 am

        Yes, he did from serveral members of the committee. They spoke of the disrecpect that was given to Ms. Warren, and stated that they had never seen that kind of disrespect given to any witness before. It was a shame to see this being done to such a bright, intelligent, and caring hardworking person as Ms. Warrne. I promise to call the offices of these people when they do this type of hateful things. That is how and where we get involved in our government. Every little effort helps. I try to do that more than ever now.

  10. 38 taiping1
    August 18, 2011 at 9:28 pm

    The media has failed so utterly in subjecting any of the GOP candidates to any scrutiny. So much is at stake. Can you imagine someone like Perry handling the oil spill? Copenhagen climate change conference? G20? Coordinated response on Libya, Syria? Remember all the billions unaccounted for in Iraq due to the appointment of ideologues/incompetents rather than people with administrative experience? One of the features of the Obama administration that gets missed in the media but is highlighted in blogs like http://www.WhatIsWorking.com, this blog, and BWDs’ TOAITR, the People’s View, is the quiet competence that goes under the radar; things getting done by going around Congress. Government actually does work if run by people who are committed to its mission and serving the people of the US.

    • August 18, 2011 at 9:34 pm

      I think they take as their model George W. Bush, who basically just sat back and followed Cheney’s orders. He went to bed early every night, ate a few pretzels, wasted trillions of dollars and destroyed millions of lives but didn’t think anything of it. He’s always had money and privilege, so he needn’t be bothered. I still can’t believe we lived through all that.

      • 40 jacquelineoboomer
        August 18, 2011 at 10:41 pm

        meta – I’m getting the wine out, to celebrate your “ate a few pretzels” reference. I don’t know when I’ve seen something tucked into a sentence that made me laugh as hard.

        You may have only added slightly to it: “ate a few pretzels, fell on the floor … “

  11. 42 gd4pbo
    August 18, 2011 at 9:33 pm

    ‘Conveniently forgetting’ is something republicans do on a daily basis, they particularly have a severe case of amnesia when it comes to the Bush Error.

    Huntsman has to be crazy to be sane.

  12. August 18, 2011 at 9:33 pm

    Now the only thing that will complete this republican freak show is for “The Donald” to throw his hair into the ring.

    “So let the sideshow begin, hurry hurry, step right on in. Can’t afford to pass it by guaranteed to make you cry”.

  13. 47 GGail
    August 18, 2011 at 9:52 pm

    In the video, you can hear the child’s mother “ask him why he doesn’t believe in science”, but Perry ignored her and then turned away. When he turned, he ran into some people chanting, so he turned again to get away from them.

    I’m really really looking forward to the Presidential Debates. Just let these repugs keep filling our baskets with all of these goodies. We will be able to snack on them during the debates. Yummmmmm!

  14. 48 hopefruit2
    August 18, 2011 at 10:11 pm

    Rick Perry thinks he’s the handsomest governor out there. And the media almost never shows his full body because he’s bow legged. In that first appearance that the MSM keeps showing he was compelled to put one leg up on a pile of hay pretending to be a badass but it was to camouflage that flaw. But the MSM wants to you think that Perry is a hunk with SWAGGA.

    Tell the MSM and Perry that I said “FAIL.”

    • August 18, 2011 at 10:22 pm

      Ugh. I don’t find him attractive at all. Crater face and big gut that he tries to keep sucked in. Bow-legged and ugly swagga. Not a cool swagga like our fine president. And then his soul is just ugly. Everything that comes out of his mouth is ugly. What has really struck me is how ridiculously stupid he is. With that exaggerated southern drawl. Sorry nothing attractive about him at all.

    • 50 Obama Grandmama
      August 18, 2011 at 10:55 pm

      This is petty but oh well, I can be petty at times. The GOP male politicians seem to have a certain look that repulses me. Our Dems have a less kept more free look to themselves. They do not all look alike. The GOP have a very stiff greased down hair look. I think of the Munsters when I think of Paul Ryan. To me Paul Ryan, Eric Cantor, Rick Perry, and on and on have that certain villainous look. You can almost see that old time villain with the curly mustach and the maiden tied lying on the railroad tracks.

    • August 18, 2011 at 11:00 pm

      I find him complete repulsive, in a very sleazy, snake oil kind of way.

  15. August 18, 2011 at 10:13 pm

    You know I don’t listen to Ed Schultz much, but I thought I would tune into his radio show today because I had seen on another thread where some on here were riled becasue of what they heard from the fill-in host that day.

    Well folks the Obama bashers must be feeling the push back, becasue Mike Papantonio (fill-in host) noted after a caller called in and thanked him for a segment he did on exposing a deceptive medical practice, that he appreciated the thanks becasue he had received a lot of negative response lately.

    He also talked about how Internet blogs are starting to do an end-run around the media to get the real news out, and he added that these savvy bloggers are starting to push back against the media and political foes.

    Folks if you ever get down and you think what you’re doing is not making a difference, then think again. THEY HEAR US!

    I’m reminded of a scene from the movie “Soul Food” where while sitting at the dinner table the matriarch of the family tires of the family arguing with one another. And after she had about enough of the foolishness she quiets them all and while holding up a open hand with fingers parted she says “you see this hand, apart there is no power in this hand…but together they become a mighty fist.

    People we have become a mighty FIST.

    **No corporation owns us
    **No advertising dollars needed
    **We have become the people we’ve been waiting for!!!!!

    • 53 utaustinliberal
      August 18, 2011 at 10:20 pm

      I firmly believe and concur with everything you wrote bjw2. We’re slowly but surely pushing through. We will never be stopped in our quest to call out all PL, GOPteabaggers, and MSM types who lie or spread misinformation about President Obama. 2012 is ours and we’re claiming it with every arsenal in our catalogue.

        • August 18, 2011 at 10:27 pm

          I concur as well. The Obama blogs are really doing a great job and the msm knows we are getting the truth out. That’s why Keith Olbermann is attacking The People’s View. It’s hilarious. And look what we’re doing on twitter. We will keep this up.

          I got into a little pissing match with Ed Henry about PBO’s vacation. Ed tweeted about getting on the plane, etc. I tweeted that the msm has been bashing Pres over his vacation but couldn’t wait to pack their bags and follow him. He tweeted me back claiming to have never said anything about Pres taking a vacation and t hat I should get my facts straight. I told him a reporter from Fox News telling somebody about facts was a hoot. Didn’t get a response back to that.

          That was a blast.

          So, yes, we are making our voices heard.

        • 60 Keith in C-bus, Ohio
          August 19, 2011 at 12:16 am

          HALLELUJAH!! 😀

    • 61 Ladyhawke
      August 18, 2011 at 10:27 pm

      Exactly, we are a mighty FIST that will not be ignored. Our loyalty to President Obama is fierce. This comment was music to my ears.

      He also talked about how Internet blogs are starting to do an end-run around the media to get the real news out, and he added that these savvy bloggers are starting to push back against the media and political foes.

      Thanks so much for posting this item.

    • 63 Obama Grandmama
      August 18, 2011 at 11:00 pm

      I’m watching Ed’s show on tv right now. I keep hearing about what about Paul Ryan jumping in? I heard Paul Ryan is 41 and I thought you had to be 45 to be the President of the USA. I have not looked it up to check myself out anyone know ?

      • 64 utaustinliberal
        August 18, 2011 at 11:05 pm

        Nope not 45. You have to be 35 to run for Presidency.

      • August 18, 2011 at 11:22 pm

        if he jumps in we’ll kick his boney ass out.

        • 66 Ladyhawke
          August 18, 2011 at 11:57 pm

          Paul Ryan for president???

          Can you just imagine Paul Ryan (or any of the unhinged and weak GOP candidates) attending a G8 summit to discuss important global economic issues with other member nations? And can you imagine any one of them holding a press conference with reporters from around the world and answering every question intelligent and thoroughly without any notes?? All of this comes naturally to President Obama.

          I rest my case.

          • 67 Keith in C-bus, Ohio
            August 19, 2011 at 12:22 am

            Paul Ryan for Presiden? What has the DESPERATION and LUNACY of the GOP turned into? This is so HYSTERICAL if not PATHETIC and SAD. Where is the Gipper when you need him (and I hated Reaganomics)? 😯

  16. 68 Keith in C-bus, Ohio
    August 18, 2011 at 10:19 pm

    Hey, Ladies of TOD, I don’t profess to routinely gauge a man’s attractiveness, but where in the world is the MSM getting this idea that Rick Perry is good looking and will garner the white female vote? What am I missing? I am looking at the enlarged pic of him above and simply I don’t get what all the RAVE is about when it comes to his appearance. 😯 Ladies I read how you all SWOON over our President on a daily basis in this forum so let me get ya’lls opinion on the ultra hyped Dickster. 😉

    • 69 utaustinliberal
      August 18, 2011 at 10:22 pm

      Nothing and I mean NOTHING is attractive or hot about Perry. Even pictures of him in his younger days don’t change but only reinforce my opinion. In my opinion, he’s a hunk of rotting meat, and is FUGLY as heck.

    • 71 jacquelineoboomer
      August 18, 2011 at 10:26 pm

      The only thing I can think of, Keith, is that whatever would draw men to Sarah Palin on the “attractiveness scale” (and there were plenty) would draw women to Rick Perry.

      In other words, I haven’t got a clue.

      • August 18, 2011 at 11:04 pm


        The man is the essence of fugly. Everything about him, his grooming, his expression, his voice, his demeanor – just dripping with snake oil.

    • 73 Esmerelda
      August 18, 2011 at 10:50 pm

      I think he’s worse than GWB in the look compartment. But since when did women vote for someone because they were handsome?

    • 75 Sue in Minnesota
      August 19, 2011 at 12:07 am

      Most Republicans IMO ooze arrogance and self-absorption, and both qualities are very repellant to me. I can not think of a single Republican that I think is attractive…..especially when I also consider them to be very callous and obsessed with money. Rick Perry reminds me of a business associate of my Dad’s from Texas. They called him Goober, he was the loudest, most obnoxious bag of hot air…I hated the few times a year he passed through our home. I think he soured me at a very young age on Texans, at least the loud mouthed, wind bag, cowboy boot wearing kind.
      In addition to being a big con artist I think Perry like his buddy Palin is intellectually challenged. I’ld prefer if he kept his mouth shut, and even better if he would go away.

  17. August 18, 2011 at 10:20 pm

    Waters attacking the President got her on every show possible outside of Fox. Strategically speaking if she was calling on the GOP/Tea Baggers for jobs she would have never got on television – calling out President Obama she at least got the larger message about Jobs out. Folks that wouldn’t talk about jobs were talking about jobs. Now if we can keep this “jobs” drumbeat for the next 10 days, when President Obama comes back with his big jobs bill we might be on our way to winning the messaging war on this.

    Maxine Waters attacks were ugly and at the wrong target – but the “jobs” message got out. Even if the MSM jumps on it and blames the President for not having a plan – when he comes back with one it then falls on the GOP who will block it.

    I think the best tactic might be to take the bush extra tax cuts and end them and use that money on an infrastructure bank. GOP can’t really bleat about that because it’s not any new spending because it’s off-set.

    • 77 utaustinliberal
      August 18, 2011 at 10:28 pm

      Sorry Str, I’m going to have to disagree with you. The “jobs” message did not even come close to getting out. It was all the black community is angry at President Obama, President Obama has lost his base, black people might not show up for President Obama in 2012. So nope, the jobs message was not there. Maxine could have gotten on tv on her own talking about jobs and linking it to GOP intransigence without slamming President Obama in a disgusting, vile, venomous, vitriolic, and rephrensible manner. She threw him under the bus. She was basically on every morning and afternoon MSNBC show except Rev Al’s, LOD’s and Rachel’s. What she did was unconscionable and no amount of wrapping it up as “at least she got the MSM talking about jobs” will excuse her boorish behavior.

      • 78 jacquelineoboomer
        August 18, 2011 at 10:32 pm

        Yes, you are correct about the total vileness of her comments, which is unforgivable, but here’s a thought – not that many voters, nationwide, even know who Maxine Waters is.

      • August 18, 2011 at 10:34 pm

        exactly. vile just vile. Agree with everything you said.

      • August 18, 2011 at 10:55 pm

        Its the same with the Poverty Tour. The wrong message is getting out and I believe that Waters, Tavis and Cornel freaking know this already yet they continue to lie to our faces and say this is not about Obama.

      • 85 Sue in Minnesota
        August 19, 2011 at 12:20 am

        I think she missed her target, which should have been the Republicans. What does it serve the Democrats to divide what is reliably an important part of their base. I think it’s time to enlarge the issue, Americans need to understand that when certain segemnts of the population suffer that has real impact on the whole. Poverty, immigration, social costs these need to be America’s problems, we need to see that we rise or fall together. I think President Obama is attempting to lead us to more inclusive thinking…Maxine Waters didn’t contribute to that progress in any constructive way.

    • 86 jacquelineoboomer
      August 18, 2011 at 10:29 pm

      I must say, StR, you are being the eternal optimist there with your thoughts about the fallout of Maxine Troubled Waters’ comments. So, I’m going with you!

  18. 87 carolyn
    August 18, 2011 at 10:38 pm

    I’ll answer as a woman who really enjoys looking at handsome men: Rick Perry is NOT handsome! He is mean looking, and artificial as plastic Christmas trees. President Obama is handsome, and his goodness shines in his eyes. My husband is handsome, and his goodness shines in his eyes. My mother always said “Handsome is as handsome does.” And that is right. I don’t know where the men of the press got the idea that he is “good-looking” and therefore white women will vote vote for him. WE ARE NOT STUPID!!
    My sadness is that my grandchildren live in Texas, will be “educated” in Texas, and are subject to the decisions of this man and his cronies. Under Anne Richards Texas was a state ahead of others, really a beacon. Since GWB, it has declined, and declined and declined. They fired 49,000 teachers this year, for no reason but his and the Republican legislature’s stupidity and bullheadedness.
    Where is Molly Ivins when we need her! She would set the country straight on this horrible man. My darling native Texan daughter-in-law calls him an ass! With no apologies for the language.
    Texas is #1 in water and air pollution and #50 in the number of students who graduatge from high school. He wants to take the place back to the plantation times.

  19. 89 tao jones
    August 18, 2011 at 11:03 pm

    They say Science is a gateway drug…………….to Thinking.

  20. 90 lmrj
    August 18, 2011 at 11:37 pm

    OT… well, not really…
    I’ve been tweeting off and on all day because I’ve been so angry about Maxine Waters. I even went to the CBC Facebook page and posted my anger along with others (the numbers are growing). Several thoughts came to me today and I’d like to get your opinions please.

    1) The whole thing mentioned in a previous thread about Waters’ ethics investigation and being paid off came to me this morning before I left home. It would be a very Rovian thing for them to do. If they could bribe her and get her to bash PBO then they get a two for one, because she’s also getting backlash and may not make it through the next election cycle.

    2) Then it occurred to me that PBO may just pick up additional supporters from other sectors BECAUSE he is working hard for all Americans and NOT pandering to the AA community per Waters. There are lots of folks out there (Independents) who may like the fact (whether it’s right or wrong) and decide to support him BECAUSE OF IT!

    OT and on a better note, Regarding the earlier video of PBO with the high school football players:
    WOW!!! He’s such a great man! I like that statement he makes at the end of the video. It says volumes about his approach to most things. “I’m not gonna throw it I was just want to catch it!” Such a GREAT MAN! That’s why he’s being attacked from all sides.

    • 91 Sue in Minnesota
      August 19, 2011 at 12:50 am

      I don’t think the politics of this is easy…..for anybody. Maxine revealed much when she suggested she was waiting for their permission to go after the President. That isn’t leadership, that is protecting your ass.

      I don’t think that she has been bought off, but she was scapegoating the President, to what advantage I don’t know.

      • 92 HZ
        August 19, 2011 at 1:48 am

        Mrs. Waters need to go home and sut up. She has not worked for the people in her district, and that is her job not the President. She should stop blaming the President for her lack of hard work in her district. Go away, Ms. Waters. I am tired of you.

  21. 93 Nili
    August 19, 2011 at 2:20 am

    Stuff like that always baffled me. I got taught evolution at school as a fixed part of biology class. Creationism was never dealt with as a theory of the same calibre, it was a part of religious education (which is a school subject here but is not about teaching the ways of a certain religion and more about having a look at what different religions are about, what viewpoints they have, how different religions live and also ethical questions of all kinds, creation was listed under “creation myths”) and whereas I always say live and let live, the way people like Rick Perry handle the matter is totally bewildering to me. We live in the 21st century but besides that, I do not see the attack that is sometimes issued about people that stand with evolution theory to be faithless.
    Sorry if I offend anyone´s view here, if that is the case, this was not my intention. Also I think I might have to put my thoughts into a longer sort of text for my blog later, because here in Germany a politician with such views would not be taken serious at all.

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