Andrew Romano (Daily Beast): …. disaffected conservatives think they’ve found their man. His name? Rick Perry …. The only problem? Perry has almost no chance – unlike, say, Romney, Pawlenty, or even Jon Huntsman – of beating Barack Obama in the general election.

This isn’t because he “sounds too much like” George W. Bush, as almost every pundit in Washington has been repeating, ad nauseum, since Perry first hinted in May that he might run. And it’s not because he’s “too religious”, either.

The real reason Perry will find it nearly impossible to win a general election is, believe it or not, substance. He holds three positions that vast majorities of the American public, Republicans included, will simply refuse to stomach – that America would be better off without the federal programs known as Social Security and Medicare, and that the government should do nothing (zero, zilch, nada) to counteract an economic crash.

…. I spent the better part of an hour talking to Perry about his political philosophy and policy prescriptions back in the fall….

In the interview, Perry hints that he would do more to limit the power of the federal government than any president since Calvin Coolidge. His argument is basically that we should dismantle most of the last 75 years of national policy and relinquish even Washington’s least controversial responsibilities to the states.

Perry believes, for example, that the national Social Security system, which he calls a “failure” that “we have been forced to accept for more than 70 years now,” should be scrapped and that each state should be allowed to create, or not create, its own pension system. “I would suggest a legitimate conversation about let[ting] the states keep their money and implement the programs,” he says.

Perry also includes Medicare in his list of programs “the states could substantially better operate,” suggesting that each governor should be “given the freedom from the federal government to come up with his own innovative ways [of] working with his legislature to deliver his own health-care innovations to his citizens.”

And Perry thinks TARP was a total mistake – along with all subsequent efforts to backstop or stimulate the economy. Instead, he prefers an entirely laissez-faire approach to job-destroying financial crises. “I think you allow the market to work its way through it,” he says. “I don’t understand why the TARP bill exists. Let the processes find their way.”

No Social Security. No federal health-care program for seniors. And no Beltway involvement – at all – during a crash or recession. These views will undoubtedly endear Perry to the Tea Party faithful. But they would alienate nearly every other voter in the country …. Somewhere, Obama’s aides are already dreaming up the attack ads.

Full article here


Meet Rick Perry (Texas Democrats)

Thanks Linda

173 Responses to “unelectable”

  1. August 13, 2011 at 2:07 pm

    Which begs the question: Why exactly Rick Perry do you want to be President of the UNITED States if you in fact want to end all of these FEDERAL programs and put them onto the individual states?? What exactly do you have in mind for this country as a WHOLE? Forced Creationism in the public schools? Amongst other right wing BS. Apparently this is the freak the mainstream media is now pushing- their ideal teaparty kook candidate. They were gaga for GW too.

    • August 13, 2011 at 5:19 pm

      I just saw these facts on PlanetPOV. It is absolutely horrifying. 1% of children insured? Read it and weep for Texans.

      Here are a trove of statistics from TX by a Legislative committee that expose how Perry has destroyed the social infrastructure of TX:

      Texas standings against all 50 states on a variety of issues (1st means highest ranking, 50th means lowest ranking).

      • State Aid Per Pupil in Average Daily Attendance – 47th
      • Scholastic Assessment Test (SAT) Scores – 45th
      • % of Population 25 and Older with High School Diploma – 50th
      • High School Graduation Rate – 43rd
      • Per Capita State Spending on State Arts Agencies – 43rd
      • Birth Rate – 2nd
      • Percent of Uninsured Children – 1st
      • Percent of Children Living in Poverty – 4th
      • Percent of Population Uninsured – 1st
      • Percent of Non-Elderly Uninsured – 1st
      • Percent of Low Income Population Covered by Medicaid – 49th
      • Percent of Population with Employer-Based Health Insurance – 48th
      • Total Health Expenditures as % of the Gross State Product – 43rd
      • Per Capita State Spending on Mental Health – 50th
      • Per Capita State Spending on Medicaid – 49th
      • Health Care Expenditures per Capita – 44th
      • Physicians per Capita – 42nd
      • Registered Nurses per Capita – 44th
      • Average Monthly Women, Infant, and Children (WIC) Benefits per Person – 47th
      • Percent of Population Who Visit the Dentist – 46th
      • Overall Birth Rate – 2nd
      • Teenage Birth Rate – 7th
      • Births to Unmarried Mothers – 17th
      • Percent of Women with Pre-Term Birth – 9th
      • Percent of Non-Elderly Women with Health Insurance – 50th
      • Rate of Women Aged 40+ Who Receive Mammograms – 40th
      • Cervical Cancer Rate – 11th
      • Percent of Women with High Blood Pressure – 16th
      • Percent of Pregnant Women Receiving Prenatal Care in First Trimester – 50th
      • Women’s Voter Registration – 45th
      • Women’s Voter Turnout – 49th
      • Percent of Women Living in Poverty – 6th
      • Mortgage Debt as Percent of Home Value – 47th
      • Foreclosure Rates – 10th
      • Median Net Worth of Households – 47th
      • Average Credit Score – 49th
      • Retirement Plan Participation – 47th
      • Amount of Carbon Dioxide Emissions – 1st
      • Amount of Volatile Organic Compounds Released into Air – 1st
      • Amount of Toxic Chemicals Released into Water – 1st
      • Amount of Recognized Cancer-Causing Carcinogens Released into Air – 1st
      • Amount of Hazardous Waste Generated – 1st
      • Amount of Toxic Chemicals Released into Air – 5th
      • Amount of Recognized Cancer-Causing Carcinogens Released into Water – 7th
      • Number of Hazardous Waste Sites on National Priority List – 7th
      • Consumption of Energy per Capita – 5th
      • Workers’ Compensation Coverage – 50th
      • Income Inequality Between the Rich and the Poor – 9th
      • Income Inequality Between the Rich and the Middle Class – 5th
      • Homeowner’s Insurance Affordability – 46th
      • Number of Executions – 1st

      Click to access texasonthebrink.pdf


  2. August 13, 2011 at 2:16 pm

    Per Frank Schaffer’s tweet, “want to know what PBO is up against? Stop doing whatever you’re doing and read this.”


  3. 10 Linda
    August 13, 2011 at 2:16 pm

    Texas Democrats were ready.


    • 11 Fred
      August 13, 2011 at 2:17 pm

      thanks Linda 😀

    • 12 GGail
      August 13, 2011 at 2:25 pm

      It’s good to know that there are active Democrats in Texas. Thanks Linda!

      • 13 COS
        August 13, 2011 at 2:35 pm

        This guy is a real piece of work. I think he would be 100 times worse than Bush. He is scary because he doesn’t seem to have a conscience.

        • 14 JoJothecat
          August 13, 2011 at 3:07 pm

          The GOP has the teabaggers to help usher in their masterplan to destroy the government if we sit around and let them. People (teapublicans) on SS, Medicare, and Medicaid are waking up! They do not want these programs eliminated because it would eliminate them! Perry has a lot of baggage it’s just will the MSM report on it? 2012 is a new day, people with research him and found out exactly what his record is for themselves just like they did Palin. Mittens will be the nominee because Perry is too easy pickins….Gov who wanted to succede from the union, balance his budget on stimulus money he claimed he did not want? Good Luck debating that!

        • 15 LYNND
          August 13, 2011 at 3:09 pm

          Damn, that man is scary! We haven’t even finished cleaning up the mess that Bush left. Now the GOP want to unleash Bush on steroids on us: he’s dumber, he’s meaner and he has better hair. We cannot let this tool get anywhere near the Whitehouse.

          • 16 HZ
            August 13, 2011 at 5:20 pm

            LYNND, if we do what we do best, Mr. Perry will not get anywhere near that Oval Office. He can go to the Whitehouse as a visitor anytime, but he will not be sitting in that chair in the Oval Office, not this time. OK.HZ

      • 17 HZ
        August 13, 2011 at 5:22 pm

        I thank you also Linda. Keep up the good work. We have a lot of work to do. Inform the people of the facts.

    • 18 Debz
      August 13, 2011 at 3:02 pm

      I’m glad the Texas dems are on this. They probably have a treasure trove of info on this incompetent fool.

      • 19 HZ
        August 13, 2011 at 5:17 pm

        Now all we need for them to do is make it available for the world to see and find out about Mr. Perry. It is not enough to just keep winning elections, but we need to know how you win them and what you are going to put forth that will benefit all of America. We saw a vision , great focus, intellect, and a great hope for the future or our generation of the young peoples’ future in then Senator Barack Obama. Now our great President. Do you all see that in Mr. Perry? That is the big question for me. I am 66 years of age, and I want a visionary, focus, intelligent, calmness in the storm, firmness at the table, grace, and poise among the leaders of the world, and compassion for all that is in his heart as he carry out his duties of my President. That is what I want, and that is what I have ,that is what I will do in all of God’s grace to do all that I can to help re-elect President Obama in 2012. We Got This. I say that with much grace and with a sweet and humble spirit with fight in my soul. HZ

  4. 23 GGail
    August 13, 2011 at 2:19 pm

    His thoughts are not well thought out. So, say you live and have worked in California the majority of your prime years and you retire in Cali. You begin receiving your SS benefits from Cali – then you have to move to say Florida for your health. Which state determines what your benefits will be? Under Federal protection, your benefits would remain the same amount no matter where you move to. I am surely looking forward to Perry in debate format. Can you spell scary…P.E.R.R.Y!

  5. August 13, 2011 at 2:20 pm

    OK, all you Us citizens explain to me: How can a Secessionist like Rick Perry believe he can be elected President of the United States ?

    1 … 2 … 3 ….

    [ crickets ]

    • 26 Asher in Boston
      August 13, 2011 at 2:48 pm

      I know, Toon. Can you imagine if this President had uttered those words, what hatred, criticism would have befallen him? Toon, this nut rick perry is white, thus he has to love his country no matter what he spews. Remember Potus is one of the “other” black exotic sub- humans in their eyes, thus his patriotism has to be questioned.

    • August 13, 2011 at 3:06 pm

      Talk of secession and things like a civilian military or overthrowing the government are OK if you are Republican.

      • 28 prettyfoot58
        August 13, 2011 at 5:00 pm

        is that Treason

        • August 13, 2011 at 5:34 pm

          Its treason if its a dirty liberal or a Democrat. I saw on twitter today that Michele Bachmann said something about her faith in America and how its been restored — remember when FLOTUS was pounded for saying almost the exact same thing?

  6. August 13, 2011 at 2:21 pm

    Now we just need Perry and Romney to start attacking each other to the point they legit hate each other and can’t form a unity ticket down the road.

    It will be interesting to see if Romney counter-attacks the flip flop charge by pointing out Perry was a Democrat up until 1998 and even chaired a Texas campaign committee for Al Gore.

    Initially I think Romney and Perry will play nice, as they won’t be fighting for the same states – Perry will go for Iowa and SC with Romney having no shot, Romney will go after NH and NV with Perry having no shot. The first big state they’ll compete for will be Florida.

    However the GOP primary schedule could get really messy as states are looking to leap frog up earlier – Michigan, Arizona and Florida are looking to move ahead of Super Tuesday. Az is looking to possibly move into January, and there is even talk (likely a long shot) that it could move Iowa and NH into late 2011!

    The way I understand things now – any primary before the “Super Tuesday” in March will NO LONGER be winner-take-all, but rather divvy up the delegates like the Dems do it. This change happened because the RNC felt President Obama and Dems in general benefited from the longer primary as it kept them in the news and got their ground games revved up.

    Here is an article on the primary schedule mess – http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/uncertain-2012-primary-calendar-creates-chaos-for-republican-leaders/2011/08/04/gIQA3px4uI_story.html

  7. August 13, 2011 at 2:22 pm

    Mitt and woman from Wasilla claim corporations are people, courtesy of Chuck Schumer.


  8. 37 utaustinliberal
    August 13, 2011 at 2:40 pm

    This is Mr. Secessionist Extraordinaire who likes to rail against the Federal Government but likes to suck on the teat of said abhorred Federal Government. This is the guy who railed against the stimulus and yet stretched his hand out like a greedy scumbag and partook of more than his share. This is the guy who likes to gut programs that provide much needed benefits moneywise and otherwise to middle and low income families yet he receives tax payer money and lives in a house with amenities and extras provided by the same taxpayers. So you know what? Run. Rick. Run. It’ll be fun to watch your greedy, narcissistic, arrogant, buffonish, scum sucking, self aggrandizing self crushed.

    • 39 Debz
      August 13, 2011 at 3:36 pm

      Thanks for this africa, real people responses. Except the woman who looked like she was afraid to say anything, sh was odd.

    • 40 Obama Grandmama
      August 13, 2011 at 10:26 pm

      I knew Mitt would go back on that Corporations are People misspeak. I wonder what he said in NH to flip flop. I kind of figured he’d say I meant to say Corporations are made up of People. They have the clip now with the short explanation right afterwards that would counter the flip flop.

  9. August 13, 2011 at 2:53 pm

    Speaking of Fox News, Murdoch and all, John Dean wrote a couple of enlightening articles in UK press:

    This was July 14th:


    Rupert Murdoch’s Watergate: The Troubling Parallels

    I do not use the metaphor of cancer easily or lightly. Once before, I had occasion to offer a similar warning, when I told Richard Nixon that Watergate was going to destroy the American Presidency. I’m offering this warning again now, because the unfolding scandal that is currently hammering the reputation and value of News Corp. so closely parallels the sequence of events that provoked my warning to Nixon…..

    This was august 13th: a very, very interesting discussion of the lawyers


    Many Americans wonder if this scandal will leap the Atlantic or remain “contained” in Britain. Because of Watergate, I have some familiarity with containment – when it works and when it does not.

    The answer depends on the width and depth of illegal behaviour. Cover-ups seldom work. At this time we know little about any cover up at News Corp, but hints have emerged. While not an ideal measurement of wrongdoing, I find there is usually a direct correlation between lawyers hired and the seriousness of the problem. Accordingly, I’ve been watching the lawyers who have become key actors in this story, and their actions suggest that this scandal will not be contained in the UK. Rather, with time, it will become an American scandal, although possibly with less consequences than in the UK, given the skilled legal team now at work…..

    Klein and Dinh surely now know the full extent of their problems. If they could state that no person remaining in the News Corp organisation, or the corporation itself, was involved in any criminal misconduct, there would be no reason for them to remain silent. Such a statement would largely end the story. The fact that the lawyers have absolved no one suggests to me that they have discovered potentially serious problems…..

    If the problems are half as serious as the level of legal talent retained suggests, I would not be surprised if News Corp co-operates with the prosecutors to get this matter behind the organisation. Rupert might throw his son James to the wolves. If evidence of wrongdoing by senior figures is found, the lawyers can defend it while requiring the government to prove its case, but they cannot assist in a cover up – a reality I learned the hard way. Rather they must withdraw from representation. And if that happens, we will all know they are fleeing a sinking ship.

  10. 42 Linda
    August 13, 2011 at 2:56 pm

    Texas raids fund for poor to keep taxes low.

    Texas utility customers pay a little extra on their bills that is supposed to go into a fund to help the poor cover their own utility payments. But in a year of record heat, less than half the fund is being paid out, forcing people to do without air conditioning in triple-digit temperatures.

    CBS reports that the Texas legislature has repeatedly approved raiding the fund in order to balance its budget without raising taxes. By 2013, there will be $900 million sitting unspent, with no plans to ever pay it out.

    And not only are the poor being shortchanged, but members of the middle class who pay utility bills are being charged that extra fee which does nothing but subsidize keeping taxes low on the wealthy.

    This video is from CBS News, posted August 12, 2011.


  11. August 13, 2011 at 2:56 pm

    Rick Perry loves him some Rush Limbaugh –

  12. August 13, 2011 at 2:57 pm

    Now the Texas/Perry crap is going to hit the fan! And stir up all of the Bush crap, too. I think it’s great he’s getting in the race. He’s a complete idiot bozo.

    Texas raids fund for poor to keep taxes low


    Texas utility customers pay a little extra on their bills that is supposed to go into a fund to help the poor cover their own utility payments. But in a year of record heat, less than half the fund is being paid out, forcing people to do without air conditioning in triple-digit temperatures.

    CBS reports that the Texas legislature has repeatedly approved raiding the fund in order to balance its budget without raising taxes. By 2013, there will be $900 million sitting unspent, with no plans to ever pay it out.

    And not only are the poor being shortchanged, but members of the middle class who pay utility bills are being charged that extra fee which does nothing but subsidize keeping taxes low on the wealthy…..

  13. 48 Linda
    August 13, 2011 at 2:57 pm

    Last year Sarah Payme stumped for Parry.

    Here is a sign from the rally

  14. August 13, 2011 at 3:04 pm

    Are Republicans at war with reality?

    August 12, 2011|By John Avlon, CNN Contributor


    ….The action onstage in Ames, Iowa, on Thursday night provided a portrait of a grand old party that seems increasingly at war with reality itself. Responsible governance and philosophic consistency were endangered species in this political arena.

  15. 56 nintendowii10
    August 13, 2011 at 3:08 pm

    Perry reminds me of George W. Bush on steroids. This man truly has NO clue, just like the rest of the clowns running for POTUS.

    It’s clear that the Republicans care more about ideology, which is why they are looking for a nominee that caters more to the religious fundies than a sane moderate. And they believe that they have what it takes to take the Obama machine down, did they NOT witness how Obama took both Hillary Clinton and John McCain down?

    I’m almost hoping for a Perry-Bachmann ticket, a ticket so far to the right that they’d win even LESS states than McCain-Palin won in 2008. Both Perry and Bachmann could spend time catering to the crazy Teapugs while Obama and Biden cater to the independents and moderate Republican voters.

  16. August 13, 2011 at 3:11 pm

    Ames straw poll is today. I will be very interested to see who comes out on top.

    The Ames Straw Poll, explained


    First held in 1979, the straw poll — also known as the Iowa Straw Poll — is, at its most basic, a fundraiser for the Iowa Repubican Party. Often described as a hybrid of a county fair and a political convention, the straw poll is a vote among Iowa Republican activists.

    It’s generally seen as an early indicator of a presidential candidate’s strength in the first-in-the-nation caucuses and, by extension, in the presidential nominating contest to come.

    Because of the weight the straw poll is given, presidential campaigns have been both made and broken by it….

    Three of the last five winners of the Ames Straw Poll have gone on to win the Iowa caucuses – George W. Bush in 1999, Bob Dole in 1995 and George H.W. Bush in 1979 – and all but the elder Bush went on to win the GOP nomination the following year…..

  17. 69 donna dem 4 obama
    August 13, 2011 at 3:16 pm

    The President gave us our marching orders to call on Congress and America is responding. Within a couple of hours over 100 people have signed up on Facebook and a dozen people through OFA.

    Please join us & share this event w/friends & family via email, Facebook, twitter and sharing it with other blogs.

    Far too many good & decent people are out of work through no fault of their own. The Republican TeaParty Congr. fiddles while the middle class fades away. Help me shed a light on the fact that Republicans will not bring jobs bills to a vote. Our country needs you to become active in your local district.You can either take it to the streets or from the comfort of your home but whatever you do we need you to Name them & Shame them.

    Here is the Facebook Event:

    Not on Facebook..no problem we have setup an event on OFA:

    Have you committed to participate? Sign up today to join us.

  18. 71 jacquelineoboomer
    August 13, 2011 at 3:25 pm

    I’ve seen that photo of Rick Perry before. One of the scariest-looking people I’ve seen in a while. If he ever gets his party’s nod (which Rs are dumb enough to do), that photo needs to be used in all future DNC ads.

    Boy, I wish Ann Richards and Molly Ivins of Texas were still with us, so they could take on their fellow Texan in their typical humorous fashion(s). We need a little humor. They’d be wonderful resources right about now!

    • 72 majii
      August 13, 2011 at 5:00 pm

      When I saw the pic of him standing with a group of people with a raised gun in his hand, I couldn’t believe that any American would vote for him as POTUS. Is this the type of American president that we want the world to associate with our nation and its people? It’s a message of violence, and it portrays Perry as a non-compromising individual with an over-sized ego who would be willing to bully anyone who disagrees with him.

    August 13, 2011 at 3:26 pm


  20. 74 Tally
    August 13, 2011 at 3:55 pm

    What a fucking EEEJIT (as our cousins in Moneygall would say.)

    Yeah – like Florida would have nough money to support all of it’s Seniors.


  21. 77 bonkers
    August 13, 2011 at 4:32 pm

    It’s clear any Repub running now is actually running for 2016. They are just looking for national name recognition for the 2016 race. All the more reason for us to expose their incessant lies and hypocrisies now, before they can gain any traction nationally.

    We know the MegaMedia will provide cover for these charlatans. Just expect it…don’t get mad or dejected about it…and keep spreading the truth about these liars to everyone you know or meet. Together, we can do this. Let’s move!

  22. 78 Fred
    August 13, 2011 at 4:52 pm

    Ha! MSNBC catches Rick Perry plagiarizing key line from Teddy Kennedy’s 2008 speech endorsing Obama at DNC in Denver 😆

  23. 81 askew
    August 13, 2011 at 5:33 pm

    Hey everyone – hope you are having a great weekend.

    I am loving these index cards from Obama 2012 on Obama’s accomplishments – http://dl.dropbox.com/u/27012774/2012_indexcards.pdf

  24. 83 dotster
    August 13, 2011 at 5:40 pm

    I see CNN’s Don Lemon is claiming that Mr. Michele Bachmann and others in her campaign shoved and elbowed and pushed him into a golf cart. They apparently were not happy with him asking her such tough question like, “Where do you think you’ll finish in the straw poll tonight?” He said he’d never seen anything like it.

    • August 13, 2011 at 6:43 pm

      You know Don Lemon is gay. So you expect the Bachmanns to push, shove, and push him. We know what those two nuts think of gay people.

      • 85 dotster
        August 13, 2011 at 6:52 pm

        Maybe they’re mad that Lemon hasn’t signed up for Marcus’ “pray away the gay” sessions at the family biz. Or maybe they’re scared of black people. Or maybe Lemon reminds them of the lie they’re living.

      • 86 Sue in Minnesota
        August 13, 2011 at 8:44 pm

        Marcus probably can’t afford to be tempted by the “hawt chocolate.” Most ladies have a reliable gay radar….mine is blasting.

  25. 87 donna dem 4 obama
    August 13, 2011 at 5:45 pm

    Hayworth’s lips are moving but she is saying nothing!!
    “I called your office, you won’t do it… You’re the problem, not the answer!”

  26. 90 Ladyhawke
    August 13, 2011 at 6:23 pm

    Team Obama Welcomes Rick Perry To 2012 With An Epic Beat Down

    Obama For America hit back hard against Perry’s claims,

    Governor Perry’s economic policies are a carbon copy of the economic policies of Washington Republicans. He pledged to support the cut cap and balance plan that would preserve subsidies for oil and gas companies and tax cuts for the wealthiest while ending Medicare as we know it, eroding Social Security, eliminating hundreds of thousands of jobs and erasing investments in education and research and development. That’s the same approach he took in Texas, where middle class families know his economic record is no miracle – it’s a tall tale. Governor Perry allowed special interests to write their own rules, hired corporate lobbyists to oversee corporations, and cut funding for programs that would create opportunity for middle class families. In a Republican field that has already pledged allegiance to the Tea Party and failed to present any plan that will benefit the middle class or create the jobs America needs to win the future, Governor Perry offers more of the same.


    • August 13, 2011 at 6:29 pm

      Perry offers NOTHING. We have had enough with Governors from Texas. Remember G.W. Bush???? Isn’t Perry the same guy who want to wanted Texas to no longer be a part of the United States. Now he want to be President . No Thank You Mr. Perry.

      • 92 Doris
        August 13, 2011 at 6:54 pm

        He’s just a showpiece. He looks like he’s auditioning for a movie part or something. President, NOT.

  27. 93 nintendowii10
    August 13, 2011 at 6:43 pm

    Looks like Crazy Eyes Bachmann is going to win the worthless Ames poll, according to tweets posted on TPM.

    • 94 P
      August 13, 2011 at 6:51 pm

      Really?? I am just looking forward to the most stupid of the bunch of stupidsssss in the Republican bunch to win their nomination!!!! I wanted Palin but to be honest Bachman ain’t to far behind on the stupid meter!! The Debates against PBO is going to be reallllllllllllllllllllll kickssss…I can’t wait!!!!!!

    • 96 dotster
      August 13, 2011 at 6:56 pm

      Oh nuts, I was holding out hope for PArry with an A. But—-the whole thing is a bunch of hullabaloo signifying nothing.

  28. 97 Doris
    August 13, 2011 at 6:59 pm

    Debbie Wasserman-Schultz coming up on MSNBC.

  29. 98 hopefruit2
    August 13, 2011 at 6:59 pm

    Just saw on ABC NEWS that Bachman came 1st, followed by Ron Paul, followed by Pawlenty who came a “distant 3rd.”

  30. 99 utaustinliberal
    August 13, 2011 at 7:00 pm

    Michele Bachmann was 1st. She won the Aimes Straw poll

    Ron paul was 2nd.

    Tim Pawlenty was 3rd.

    Rick Santorum was 4th.

    Herman Cain was 5th.

    Mitt Romney was 6th.

    Newt Gingrich was 7th.

    Jon Huntsman was 8th.

    Rep. Thaddeus McCotter was 9th. (Last Place)

    • 100 utaustinliberal
      August 13, 2011 at 7:08 pm

      Oops. Slight correction:

      Rick Perry was 6th. (Write In)

      Mitt Romney was 7th.

      Newt Gingrich was 8th.

      Jon Huntsman was 9th.

      Rep. Thaddeus McCotter was 10th. (Last Place)

    • 101 hopefruit2
      August 13, 2011 at 7:08 pm

      Thanks UT. Here are the percentage breakdowns.

      Bachmann: 28.5%
      Paul: 27.7%
      Pawlenty: 13.6%
      Santorum: 9.8%
      Cain: 8.6%
      Romney: 3.4%
      Gingrich: 2.3%
      Huntsman: 0.4%
      McCotter: 0.2%

      • 102 utaustinliberal
        August 13, 2011 at 7:14 pm

        Thanks for this breakdown Hopefruit2. To add to your percentage breakdown, Rick Perry as a write in got 3.8% of the votes. If I were Huntsman I would drop out now. The insult the Iowan Republican voters dealt him was stinging. Perry wasn’t even in Iowa today. He was in South Carolina and didn’t even buy a ticket to put his name on the list yet he beat supposed “frontrunner” Romney and soundly trashed Huntsman. McCotter isn’t even relevant. On C-Span, they showed the faces of everyone who was on the straw poll during the live results but they didn’t even show McCotter’s face. After the reporter read Hunstman’s name. She paused and was about to move on to another topic and then she was like “Oh and Thaddeus McCotter came in 10th with 0.2% of the votes.” Hahaha. 😆 Cracked me up big time that she didn’t even consider him a serious enough candidate to say his scores and show his picture.

  31. 104 hopefruit2
    August 13, 2011 at 7:02 pm

    On Twitter I read that Jon Hunstman only received 69 votes out of 16000.

  32. 109 desertflower
    August 13, 2011 at 7:08 pm

    Here you go:) Send them all over the edge and off the cliff….http://www.addictinginfo.org/2011/08/11/100-things-you-can-say-to-irritate-a-republican/ Chips, wish you would consider adding this site to the blogroll:)

  33. August 13, 2011 at 7:08 pm

    Methinks that Repugs/teapartiers/right wing women are just starved for women in Politics, hence the winner of the ‘straw’ poll! Just remember how Palin was received .Well, it looks like Bachman will receive the same treatment…even though her elevator doesn’t quitereach to the top of the stairs! trust me they are proud of their women!

  34. 112 jacquelineoboomer
    August 13, 2011 at 7:21 pm

    Some trivia.

    Looked up past Ames, Iowa Presidential Straw Polls, to see if the #1 went on to win the R nomination that year. These polls are only conducted when there’s no incumbent R president. Here’s what I found:

    1979 – #1 George H.W. Bush (Ronald Reagan won nomination)
    1987 – #1 Pat Robertson (George H.W. Bush won nomination)
    1995 – #1 Bob Dole (he won nomination)
    1999 – #1 George W. Bush (he won nomination)
    2007 – #1 Mitt Romney (John McCain won nomination)
    2011 – #1 Michele Bachmann (almost couldn’t type that; it’s so ludicrous)

    • August 13, 2011 at 7:36 pm

      McCain got killed in the Ames poll, 10th with 0.7% of the vote and went on to be the nominee. That’s all you’ll hear from all non-winners the net few days.

    • August 13, 2011 at 7:45 pm

      Bachmann was from Iowa, that’s why she barely won. No big deal.

    • 115 dotster
      August 13, 2011 at 7:51 pm

      It’s the most foolish waste of time, candidates bussing in voters, plying them with food and drink, paying for their $30/vote. In spite of the desperate media, it means absolutely nothing, and does not deserve an abundance of attention here.

      • 116 jacquelineoboomer
        August 13, 2011 at 8:00 pm

        dotster – You are right. Even after I posted that straw poll trivia upstream, I thought how boring it all looked written down. 🙂

      • August 13, 2011 at 8:24 pm

        Yeah, it’s utterly meaningless. But I don’t mind if the MSM makes it an issue because it means Pawlenty is finished and that meme will cost him a lot of donations.

  35. 118 Linda
    August 13, 2011 at 7:21 pm

    UpChuck Todd….is a failure as a journalist.

  36. August 13, 2011 at 7:33 pm

    This should cause Pawlenty’s money to dry up pretty quickly. I suspect he’ll try and stick around saying he basically finished second as Paul won’t count come next February but the writing will be on the wall for his backers. Bachmann and Perry will both poll ahead of him in any social issue state. He’ll stick around for a month to see if Bachmann flames out or Perry is a Fred Thompson, but the money will jump as will some of his staffers.

    Pawlenty is really the only loser. I mean Huntsman looks Pathetic as well, but his focus is on NH. Pawlenty put all his marbles into Iowa and the best he could get is a 3rd place finish – a distant third.

    This is basically a three person race – Romney, Bachmann, Perry.

    • August 13, 2011 at 7:43 pm

      What a joke they all are.

    • 126 Linda
      August 13, 2011 at 7:44 pm

      Good …Pawlenty is nasty with his personal attacks on PBO. He called him a manure shredder.

      • 127 Sue in Minnesota
        August 13, 2011 at 8:50 pm

        He was a fucking disaster as a Governor…..he is typical spend and put it on the kids credit card. He is a corporate ass kisser.

    • 128 nintendowii10
      August 13, 2011 at 7:46 pm

      Any bets on a Perry-Bachmann ticket?

      • August 13, 2011 at 8:05 pm

        Certainly a good possibility.

      • 130 prettyfoot58
        August 13, 2011 at 8:06 pm

        I think it will be Romey/Bachman…..perry cannot be elected….in the main stream…

        Romney will try be a moderate with Bachman bringing in the Fringe

        • August 13, 2011 at 8:11 pm

          Hmmm……good points. You may very well be correct.

        • August 13, 2011 at 8:35 pm

          I don’t think Romney will take on Bachmann, she’s too fringe to be able to sell in the General. I still think he has an agreement with Huckabee, and Huck will be his running mate. Huck can cash in on Fox for another 12 months, and then campaign for three and bring the Evangelicals without bringing the overt craziness to the ticket.

          Perry will need to tab somebody from the midwest – Sen Portman or Gov Daniels would be my guess.

          Bachmann would need steady hand experience as her VP – As a congresswoman she doesn’t bring executive or foreign policy, but I suspect she’d claim being on the House Intelligence is her FP experience so she’d look for a Gov who could also calm Wall St. I could see Virginia Governor McDonnell a possibility.

          Perry/Daniels or Perry/Portman

          • 133 utaustinliberal
            August 13, 2011 at 8:43 pm

            I’m not so sure on Romney/Huckabee. Huckabee fiercely dislikes Romney. Absolutely despises his guts. Thinks he’s a phony. You could see a Romney/Daniels or a Romney/McDonell. Or a Romney and some other southern conservative who can bring in the evangelical vote.

        • 134 donna dem 4 obama
          August 13, 2011 at 8:40 pm

          A moderate Romney and a fire breathing Bachman would be no different than McCain/Palin 2008. I don’t see it happening. They know that that team would not be a winner.

      • August 13, 2011 at 10:23 pm

        Perry-Bachmann. I’m shaking in my boots. OBAMA/BIDEN 2012

  37. August 13, 2011 at 8:04 pm

    O/T of the straw poll: I ventured over to kos and found a good diary — insightful and thoughtful and pointed.
    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/08/13/1006580/-Im-sadOur-First-Black-President-is-Being-Ripped-To-Shreds?via=siderec. Those of you who read it, let me know what you think. I did not read any comments. I scrolled down a bit and just read the first words and decided I could not stomach clicking on even one of them. Therefore, I don’t know if the writer got “pounded” or not.

    • 140 prettyfoot58
      August 13, 2011 at 8:26 pm

      I read some of the comments….i will say this….on the legit..it has always been difficult to talk about rqacism in America…

      however ….despite all the nuances and innuendos that are thrown at the President…i would ask us to looke beyond that…at the larger issue…and issue that the President and spoke about at a fundraiser in NY on Thursday…

      This is not about my election; it’s not about one person. It’s about competing visions about where we’re going to take the country. Are we going to have a country that’s inclusive? Are we going to have a country that gives opportunity to everybody? Are we going to have a country where everybody is sharing sacrifices but also sharing opportunities? Are we going to have a country in which what we project to the world is not just our military might, but it’s also our capacity to champion human rights and women’s rights and feed folks and help them become self-sufficient?

      And those competing visions are going to be determined in this next election as much as they ever have before

      This is the true battle ground,,,,and This President is on the side of the middle class….

    • 142 jacquelineoboomer
      August 13, 2011 at 8:38 pm

      tnmtngirl – Thanks for sharing that. Haven’t read the comments yet, but one part of the original diary was sad to me, for a few reasons. The writer said that on a recent Bill Maher show, Neil deGrasse Tyson was asked if Hillary would have made a better President, and he apparently answered, “Yes.” The diarist said that this became code for the RW and PL to say “even other African Americans” are against him.

      That’s sad because (a) I really, really like him and think he’s great at drawing young people to his field of astrophysics and to science, in general; (b) A far-left friend of mine (whom I thought was coming around) knows how I feel about him and asked if I’d seen that show – now I’m thinking it’s because he said something negative about PBO, and (c) He had no problem gloating a while back that he was a possible appointee as NASA Administrator IN THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION, but now he’s anti-Obama?

      Sad. Kind of like Huntsman’s planning on running against PBO while he was PBO’s Ambassador to China (even redstate got on him for that).

      • August 13, 2011 at 8:51 pm

        You know what guys? its OK. Its all good. Moments like this are a good thing because it exposes the weak ones on the team. It exposes the haters and the backstabbers. It exposes fair weather friends. Let these people keep talking and Obama will take note of who had his back and who didn’t. I promise you, every single one will have a big fat rotten ostrich egg on their faces pretty soon. Trust me. A lot of them were haters from the start and have bitterness in their heart. You can hear it when they speak. You can tell who felt personally rejected. Be patient. We will get through this.

      • August 13, 2011 at 9:00 pm

        Sorry, but the whole, would HRC have been a better president question is such BS. How could anybody know the answer to that? We’ve had crisis after crisis, unexpected problems and issues – NOBODY could possibly know how she would have responded. It’s just empty piling on at this point. DISGUSTING empty rhetoric.

        • August 13, 2011 at 9:26 pm

          I agree with you meta. It’s just alot of B.S. We deal in facts, and the fact is Barack Obama beat Hillary Clinton, that’s the facts. Believe me everything wouldn’t have been all great for Hillary. Do anyone remember how these right wing nuts went after her when she was First Lady. They would not have shown Hillary any respect either. When things are going bad everyone want to pile on, but when thing are good these same folks want to be your friends.

  38. August 13, 2011 at 8:18 pm

    Why would attack ads even be needed? These fools speak so loudly for themselves.

    • 149 nintendowii10
      August 13, 2011 at 8:58 pm

      Because enough of the population is stupid enough to vote these fools into office.

      The MSM cheers on these fools while stabbing PBO in the back and spreading the lies about him and what he’s accomplished.

      Debbie Wasserman-Shultz and the DNC better have attack ads prepared exposing these fools as the crazies that they are.

      • 150 Karen Sr.
        August 13, 2011 at 9:49 pm

        I never realized the dems were so impotent against the press. I can’t believe that with all the advances the GOP has made that the dems didn’t also organize media blitzes. They need booking agents to get them on these shows with more frequency than the GOPers. The laziness and apathy in the democratic party is annoying. They could be kings and queens of policy but they settle for being hand maidens, available when called upon and making no noise when the media distorts the facts or lets their guests distort the facts. The GOP is not apathetic when it comes to their messaging.

        • August 14, 2011 at 12:15 am

          Maybe its not reported on the blogs often enough but Dems have been all over the TV lately. And if not on TV, they’ve released statements. They’ve been making robocalls, putting out radio ads and airing commercials against Republican House members.

      • 152 Obama Grandmama
        August 13, 2011 at 10:56 pm

        In reading through some of the posts about Perry’s Texas economy I noticed fair or not there have been lots of job growth in Texas suring this time when everyone is yelling for jobs. I fear even though most of the growth had nothing to do with Perry he will get credit for them and people may ignore the rest of the stuff. We will need to be sure the eliminating Social Security and Medicare part is out there especially in clips of him saying it.

  39. 153 Karen Sr.
    August 13, 2011 at 9:10 pm

    Well, you have to admit it…doing nothing is a whole lot easier than doing something. I just wish someone would finally call the GOPers out for going after jobs they don’t want to do. Expecting the free market to correct itself it like expecting the fox to keep the chickens safe. And advocating for smaller government in a complex and interconnected world just means you have no idea how to juggle more than one ball in the air.

    It takes a complex and strategic mind to navigate the daily land mines of commerce, trade, markets, national security, international affairs, labor, and budgets.

    Is it any wonder then that so many GOPers, and most recently, Tea Party GOPers think the best thing to do when government gets too complex for them to comprehend is to get rid of nearly all of it in order to govern it?

    • August 13, 2011 at 9:17 pm

      I could be wrong, but I just don’t think people will fall for the Tea Republicans crap this time. People know that the Tea Republicans want to destroy Social Security and Medicare, they see that these Tea Republicans are for the rich. They see that these Tea Republicans haven’t done a darn thing about jobs. I just don’t believe people will be fool by them this time.

      • 155 Karen Sr.
        August 13, 2011 at 9:40 pm

        I hope you’re right, anniebella. I thought it was obvious in 2010, but I was so wrong. How does a nation forget what happened during the Bush years? How does a nation forget what unions did for the working class all over the country? How does one explain a nation that voted for a democrat who promised health care reform and financial reform would punish the democrat for keeping those promises? I don’t get it.

        • 156 jacquelineoboomer
          August 13, 2011 at 11:23 pm

          I try not to hate anybody, so I don’t really subscribe to the sentiment I’m sharing here. However, it makes me smile and keeps me calm.

          You’re reminding me of a quote a friend of mine uses among friends, sometimes. In chats where we’ve talked about some of the voters you speak of, she’ll recite this (I think it’s from an old movie, and I’m paraphrasing it):

          “They hate us because they think we think they’re stupid. And we hate them because they’re stupid.”

  40. August 13, 2011 at 9:45 pm

    Speaking of race/racism in America: I just finished (within the past 30 minutes) reading a fabulous book: “Blood Done Sign my Name” by Timothy Tyson. It is a true story about the killing of Henry Marrow, a 23-year old black Vietnam veteran in Oxford, NC. In the wake of the killing, young AA’s took to the streets, led by 22 year-old Ben Chavis. Timothy Tyson was the son of the pastor of the local Methodist Church. The writer also shares his family’s history–his grandfather, great-grandfather and 6 or 7 uncles were all Methodist pastors and all quite liberal. The book takes you through the Civil Rights’ movement of the 60’s and 70’s (and a little bit of the early 80’s and Reagan’s presidency). I have highlighted and written in the margins…….so much of the book is either relevant still today–sadly–or so clearly explains how we got to where we are today. For all of you on this blog, I highly recommend this book. There is also a movie based on the book which I definitely plan on renting and watching. I’ve read parts of the book to my husband…..don’t know if it “got through” or not. Really want to watch the movie with him.

    I keep praying and hoping that what we talked about last night planted a seed in his heart and mind. Not only did I read Tom’s comment that was on here last night, but I also shared what our good friend here said: That BO could turn the WH inside out…..he could solve EVERY problem our country has, both foreign and domestic, and it will would not be good enough……that no matter what he does or doesn’t do about anything, it will NEVER be good enough. This good friend is AA; was raised in MS; mother never could vote; father had to pay a poll tax; she participated in sit-ins and marches so as she said, she KNOWS racism when she sees it and hears it, regardless of how subtle it might be. That’s how she KNOWS that whatever PO does will never be good enough.

    • 158 Karen Sr.
      August 13, 2011 at 10:54 pm

      I am white, grew up in New England in an immigrant mill city with few AAs. I don’t have the shared experiences of AAs, but the racism does not escape me. It is not subtle to me. It screams out loud and it makes me cringe.

      It is not subtle to me when for the first time in my long memory only this president is told what to say, when to say it, how to say it and to whom to say it. It is not subtle when only this president is told to get out of the way but at the same time is deemed to not be leading. It is not subtle when only this president has to account for vacation time when no other president ever has. It is not subtle when only this president is compelled to clean up the mess caused by a private corporation when no other president was ever compelled to be responsible for any oil disaster.

      It is not subtle to me when media contributors are allowed to call this president vulgar and disrespectful names on national networks. I won’t forget those who played this game. I won’t forgive those who played this game. I want their names to be known for all time. I want their names to go down in history with the likes of Joe McCarthy and I pray they be judged as the Jim Crow era and McCarthyism will for all time be judged.

      Nobody has taken out the fire hoses, but fire hoses were yesterday’s weapons of mass destruction. Today the weapons are words. They’re the hit pieces on the internet and in other print media. They’re the words spoken on morning talk shows and cable networks. They’re the words that frame the message in political ads.

      I will never forgive them for trying to destroy not only a good man, but someone I believe has been the most progressive and effective President in my lifetime.

      • 159 jacquelineoboomer
        August 13, 2011 at 11:07 pm

        Karen Sr. – I have a similar background as yours. I just want to cry. Even though we know President Obama has the grace inside to get through all this and come out on the other side of his two terms whole, and will be our inspiration throughout, so many of us will be broken up inside watching all this. We have to push these thoughts to the back of our minds, now, but we won’t forget. I’ll try to forgive, but I won’t forget.

      • August 14, 2011 at 6:23 am

        Perfectly said, Karen! Your whole comment is a “keeper”–meaning I am going to write it down. Thank you. I love this “family” here.

        P.S. You really should read the book I suggested. 🙂

      • 161 Chi
        August 14, 2011 at 6:48 am

        I couldn’t have articulated it better…

        Absolutely spot on Karen…

    • August 13, 2011 at 10:27 pm

      I think Marcus is trying to prove his manhood. No marry man should be kissing a woman like that unless it’s his wife. Marcus is trying to show you’ll that he is a real man.

  41. August 13, 2011 at 9:51 pm

    We need to take a deep breath and just recognize that the road ahead of us will be difficult and emotionally draining. The media and the other enemies of the president will be in full attack mode for a long while, just as they were in 2008. There will be a concerted attempt to discourage us as one savior after another is presented by the media as the “golden” one who will knock down the president. Historically, President Lincoln had people vilifying and attacking him on all sides as he came to re-election time in the 1863-1864 year.. The South despised him and in his own party, the Copperheads did everything they could to stab him in the back. In the end, the American people rose to the occasion and re-elected Lincoln to the presidency. We have to remember that Barack H Obama is the most politically astute man in modern politics–there has been and never will be anyone else like him in our lifetimes. Never underestimate his ability to define and corner his enemies. Second, despite the attacks on his leadership (which in Rove-style contrariness is exactly his strength) he is a man of iron will and will bend the arc his way over the coming months. And third, he has a formidable team and ground game. And, for the first time in a long time, he has solid united support coming from real Democrats in Congress (not the Copperhead-redux fauxs) and a powerful messaging machine in place. He needs us to stay calm and intensely focused, resisting all efforts to get sucked up in fear and succumb to despair. Yes, there are a lot of stupid, ill-informed people in this country, but there are also a lot of decent ones with a heart to feel and a mind to see. Let the R clowns keep talking and showing their true colors and the let the leader (the only leader) lead. The campaign trail means the president will be out and about a lot talking to people without the filter of the negative media. And when people see him and hear him, he wins. We will not be defeated!

    • 165 Karen Sr.
      August 13, 2011 at 11:00 pm

      LOL..”Rove-style contrariness”. Perfectly said. You made me feel better, too, because I didn’t know about the Copperheads. I will have to research that. Thank you, Jackie.

    • 166 Anonymous
      August 13, 2011 at 11:38 pm

      This is a great talk by David Plouffe to Google in which he goes into the 2008 strategy. The key is grassroots organizing; talking to people; using social media; registering; with a laser-like focus on the message and expanding the electorate. The key to 2012 will again by the grassroots, getting more people involved, getting young, minorities, independents motivated to participate. The GOP is so clearly against all that we hold dear. Perry wants to get rid of Social Security and Medicare, Medicaid. Romney is just fake. We can do this again. We can’t afford to leave it to someone else.

  42. 167 dotster
    August 13, 2011 at 10:02 pm

    Sarah P’s latest trick—-visiting Reagan’s boyhood home in Dixon, Illinois today. She is such a big fake.

  43. 169 VaCat
    August 13, 2011 at 10:05 pm

    Perry looks like the Grinch and acts like a grinch. He would suck any positivity out of America. He’s already doing it to Texas.

  44. 170 Anonymous
    August 13, 2011 at 10:29 pm

    Bachmann?? Oh, good Lord…

  45. 171 taiping1
    August 13, 2011 at 11:47 pm

    There’s nothing we can’t do together: Yes we can, again!

  46. 173 carolyn
    August 14, 2011 at 11:45 am

    Referring to a comment upthread….the jobs “created” in Texas are minimum wage jobs. No benefits or long term possibilities. Don’t let mere numbers fool you. Also look at the placement of Texas in other areas such as: % insured, % employer insurance, # in pollution of all kinds, air, chemicsl, water…..the list is horrible. I read this list to my daughter-in-law and son who were visiting here from Texas this weekend. I kept saying “I hate for my grandchildren to grow up in this!” 49,000 teachers have been fired in Texas this year. My grandson’s 5th grade class will have 30 in it, which is an unteachable number for 10 year olds.
    My son says that if Perry is nominated, he should resign as governor of Texas and get out! That way they could hopefully begin to heal some of their problems. Texas is definitely broken.
    I read a great slogan on a blog: “Read my Lips: No New Texans!” (you have to remember 1988 to get that!)

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