‘a war between two americas’

Michael Tomasky (Daily Beast): …. let’s go ahead and think about a Perry-Obama race …. a war between the two Americas, each side represented by its respective cultural standard-bearer, each side’s foot soldiers absolutely smoldering with contempt for everything the other guy stands for and indeed the way he looks. We’ve never quite had that before, not in this way, so it’s worth thinking about.

… Republicans don’t want a posh, well-spoken Yankee who works at a place with a name like Bain Capital. In their deepest souls, they want a Texas governor. They want a shit-kicker. And here, we circle back to culture.

When my friends and I looked at George W. Bush in 1999, we shuddered like people who’d turned a street corner and stumbled across a dog’s corpse. We knew and had contempt for his beliefs, but it had nothing to do with them, really. It was just the way he presented himself. That puffed-out chest. That self-satisfied smirk. All that Jesus talk – even in the event that it was sincere, which we never quite bought, it was to a liberal deeply inappropriate to haul it into the public square like that. He represented Southern country clubs and Dodge Durangos and Browning bolt-actions and homes with no books in them …. Liberals just couldn’t stand the sight of the guy. And that was before he ruined the country.

I understand that conservatives feel similarly about Obama. They look at him and see wine-and-cheese parties where people have jazz playing in the background and where talk turns to the merits and demerits of Jonathan Franzen, who drive Priuses (or is it Prii?) and buy espresso machines and live in homes with far too many books in them. And worse than that: for much of Red America, Dr. Frankenstein himself could not have stitched together a more perfect Other: urban, urbane, sophisticated, intellectual. “Black,” of course, may no longer be a deal breaker in this day and age, but it doesn’t help. Many conservatives clearly can’t stand the sight of him.

Perry, on this scale, is chillingly Bush-like. I saw a clip the other day of him saluting … he looked exactly like Bush. The chest pumped up with self-regard. The overly aggressive way he thrust his saluting hand out from his forehead. He even, I swear, was smirking. I shuddered all over again.

During an Obama-Perry contest, millions of Americans on both sides would be shuddering constantly for four months. We’ve never had quite this kind of showdown culturally … I don’t relish this. We’re divided enough, thanks. To invoke one of Bush’s most degrading moments of smirky chest-puffery, I say don’t bring it on.

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69 Responses to “‘a war between two americas’”

  1. August 13, 2011 at 10:31 pm

    I imagine President Obama washed his hand all the way back to D.C.

    • 2 GGail
      August 14, 2011 at 1:15 pm

      What’s up with that handshake? Did the photographer take the picture before Perry had a chance to close his hand??? I hope that’s the case because if not…what message is Perry sending by not closing the handshake? IMHO

      • 3 conlakappa
        August 14, 2011 at 5:07 pm

        Or showing up in a khaki suit to meet the President? Was that a display of being fake folksy? I am laughing at Perry’s hair getting smaller in the run-up to running. By the end of 2011, it might actually be normal sized rather than Texan proportions of being puffed up.

  2. August 13, 2011 at 10:37 pm

    Part of me agrees with the article, but the other half wants this race because America is in denial or ignorant of the extremists that still exist in this country. The dregs that Palin brought out is nothing compared to the scum that Perry will drag out. I want to see it. I want the country to see it, but I am also terrified that our inept media will brush off the seriousness of this extremism and make it seem acceptable.

    ugh. I’m just….ugh

    • 5 Obama Grandmama
      August 13, 2011 at 11:05 pm

      Too scary to contemplate Rick Parry being the winner though. I am not sure I can stomach anyone of the GOP being the winner, but Perry is unbearable.

      • 6 prettyfoot58
        August 14, 2011 at 12:06 am

        i hesitate to make predicitions…

        but if the Republicans want to win…they will not have perry as their candidate…he may win among Republicans…but he would not have a chance in the general elections…..

        but whoever wins the Republican nomination…the talking points will be the same

        • 7 57andFemale
          August 14, 2011 at 9:40 am

          I don’t agree. He will be given a moderate veneer by the press — he’s already said that that’s who he is. He will find key phrases to make the low-information ‘independent’ voter think he’s a reasonable choice. And it doesn’t help that the left has a serious, fractured, vocal Obama-hating faction scares the shit out of me. Because there is nothing to revile for the Republican base — they vote anyway, would have voted for Romney but will vote enthusiastically for Perry.

          He is our only formidable challenger. It’s not going to be easy to get the truth out about him. The MSM is going to make it very hard.

    • 8 StR
      August 13, 2011 at 11:08 pm

      Exactly where I am at. I want to see it, and believe we need to see it – but worry if it happens that it will further divide the country like the author surmises. Each will have a floor of 46% – and Perry will fight dirty and play for keeps and it will get ugly and it will entrench both sides.

      This is the battle the media wants, because there will be silly money spent and they WILL make it a horse race and will treat everything Perry said as somehow above board and legitimate. Texas oil billionaires will throw secret millions to Perry SuperPacs, and the Evangelicals will be the boots on the ground, and probably match Obama small money donors dollar for dollar as well. Across America you have Republican governors passing voter ID bills that are done to limit poor, young and minority voters. In swing states these disenfranchised votes could be the difference.

      The only person standing between Obama vs Perry is Michele Bachmann. She proved to be legit in Ames today, and is going nowhere. Could she play spoiler and help Romney win? If it comes down to Perry vs Romney vs Bachmann, I can’t see any Bachmann supporters going to Romney if Michele dropped out – 90% would go to Perry’s Camp. However I could see some of Perry supporters going to Romney over Bachmann if Perry was running in third place and dropped out. Perry has executive experience that Romney also has which some supporters will believe is very important.

      Maybe everybody wants the Obama vs Perry main event, but we might all be better off with Romney knocking off Perry so we don’t get the showdown to end all showdowns. That Perry’s extremist would have been rejected by the Republican primary voters, so Romney can get the 46% floor of votes but will not divide the country down harsh partisan lines. He’ll get the votes, but it won’t be from the true believer/dead enders – they’ll just hold their nose and vote for him, and won’t be so wound up and invested in election night 2012.

      If I believed that President Obama would blow out Perry, get 55%+ and send a huge message, with whats ever left of the moderate Republican camp, and centrists and indies voting for President Obama, rejecting everything Perry and the Tea Party stands for I might welcome the showdown. But the MSM will never allow that, Koch money will never allow that.

      • August 14, 2011 at 5:54 am

        If it was about issues, of course Obama will win handily. But I have lost ALL FAITH in our media to be any kind of a referee. The” debt ceiling debacle” and the yellow journaliism that made it possible taught me that. Responsible journalism is dead in my opinion in the USA. It is all ratings/profits driven.

      • 10 57andFemale
        August 14, 2011 at 9:50 am

        Iowa means nothing — the winners of this straw poll never go the distance.

        Perry will have a message for the ‘moderate’ Republican — this is going to be his campaign. He will say plenty of crazy on the campaign trail but he’ll tailor the message perfectly to bring along the moderate Republican who NEVER wanted to be anything but Republican.

        It’s going to be the slickest campaign ever, run by the greatest minds of the Republican Party. And the one thing they are geniuses at is winning elections. And now with CU? We have our work cut out for them.

        Perry’s record will be torn apart by the DNC and Obama — he’s no moderate. At least Bush actually had some moderate cred. The vision of two Americas is the theme — but Obama’s camp and the DNC are going to need than just his wonderful inspiration. We need a message that is tailored and in the language of blue collar America. Not the entire campaign, but some specifically targeted imagery and messaging. On this, Ed Schultz is right — the Dem’s need to better connect with the working class.

      • 11 Mae who love our CIC
        August 16, 2011 at 9:09 am

        I am not naive in my thinking, but why are we giving so much power to the MSM and Koch money. With all of the planed tricks, schemes, known shenanigans, and lies, extremism will not prevail. The truth will be revealed to the ones that will be the difference in the win.

    • 12 cuphalffull
      August 14, 2011 at 5:59 am

      Part of me agrees with the article, too, but there’s a part I totally disagree with and that’s the description of the President and the view people from the conservative side have of him. Both of them are totally off, as far as I can see. Also the only people who shudder at the thought of the President are the sociopaths and the morbidly insecure. Everyone else is waking up to his virtues and even if they don’t know if they could vote for a Democrat, they still see him as a decent, emotionally balanced, intelligent guy.

  3. 13 Dave
    August 13, 2011 at 10:38 pm

    Stereotypes. Perry is repulsive for so many obvious reasons. But, who knows. If we knew anything other than the sickening posturing and preening and utterly FAKE tough-cowboy-routine (a la Dubya)…..maybe? I doubt it, but…..we have to TRY to be fair. And from the other direction The President is REAL, DEMONSTRATED TOUGHNESS. He inspires AND he’s lived an insipring life. Oh and BY THE WAY, the man eats burgers, fried chicken has a WONDERFUL family and…….let’s face it, he can HIT THE THREE! Perry REEKS of plastic, Texas disingenousness PLUS the constant, CONFOUNDED BIBLE THUMPING. Maybe a consultant will tell him to cut the cr*p? Oh, I just noticed above that I said we have to be fair!!! WOOPS MY BAD!!

  4. August 13, 2011 at 10:51 pm

    To be sure, there will be global implications as well. Our foreign policy and good will go straight to the catch basin if the ameriKKKans win.

  5. 16 mtmarilyn
    August 13, 2011 at 11:05 pm

    This is something I do worry about! The distrust on both sides is so intense. How do we get pass all of this. What gets me is that the Obama’s are the epitome of the family values the talk about but never live up to. What I do know is Obama will never play dirty and that is all that they believe in. I am In and fired up.

  6. 20 utaustinliberal
    August 13, 2011 at 11:17 pm

    Great article. Expressed so much of what I despised about Bush and let’s not even talk about the depth of disgust I had for his policies. With Perry, it’s more chilling. It’s not only that he’s this arrogant, narcissistic, bloviating, gun toting yahoo cowboy, it’s that at least with Bush, you had a sense of a smidgen of decency in his makeup. Perry on the other hand portrays all the characteristics of a sociopath. He has no mercy, no sense of community, no sense of compassion, no sense of decency, no sense of kindness, and no sense of fairness. On the one hand, Perry as the eventual nominee running against President Obama will reveal the ugliest strains and stains in our society; especially during these trying and troubled times. On the other hand, I want to see Perry as the eventual nominee because when the downright ugly strains and stains from the extreme right are revealed in technicolor, it will galvanize every sane person conservative, independent, and liberal alike to fight and push back so hard against that besmirched force and fight for decency, kindness, compassion, humanity and real leadership in the form of President Obama.

    • 21 Sue in Minnesota
      August 13, 2011 at 11:50 pm

      I need to know how I can toughen my hide….seems like I’m going to need a hazmat suit to endure all the ugly that is about to spill. But like McCain/Palin the ugly was primarily coming from one direction, and America did not like it. Obama isn’t going to contribute to it, that is not who he is. If Perry is a sociopath 25% of our population will stick to him like white on rice, I hope he revolts and repulses the rest.

  7. 22 Sue in Minnesota
    August 13, 2011 at 11:19 pm

    President Obama doesn’t strike the urbane chord with me, he is that but far more. It’s as if he is a little bit of all of us, all rolled up into one, universal being. That is my intuititive response to him. I can not imagine him being uncomfortable or out of synch anywhere.

    • 23 dotster
      August 14, 2011 at 12:33 am

      Agree with you, Sue. Obama is all of us, comfortable in any setting, able to relate to every kind of person. He has that rare gift.
      But the author described my reaction to W. well—-that instinctual disgust at all the fake Jesus talk, the false bravado, the contrived, Rove-driven role playing of his whole cowboy persona. I imagine that feeling would be magnified by a million with Perry. And Bachmann?—–that is so far out there, unimaginable, too crazy to even contemplate. And sadly, I think much of the animosity toward Obama is directed at his intellect, this current, cockeyed celebration of anti-intellectualism, and pure envy of all his sterling qualities and characteristics to which his critics do not even come close to measuring up. I remember the people lined up for Palin’s events saying they just loved her because she was just like them—(not very bright and not very fond of black people) If we still had a decent media which reported only facts and truths and didn’t pretend that the most preposterous among us were legitimate, qualified people to be POTUS, this would be a No Contest. But we cannot depend on that. And so we are probably facing an ugly, tough battle. Still I’m putting my money on that arc of history bending toward justice. But we’re all going to need to help in the bending, give all we’ve got.

  8. 25 Bobfr
    August 13, 2011 at 11:48 pm

    So, on 13 August 2011, America has its second Jefferson Davis emerge to challenge the Republic. All Jefferson Davis Perry has to do is be sure to convince Ms Bachmann to be his running mate and the 2nd attempt to terrorize and destroy the Republic will be underway.

    I hope this isn’t something our Republic will have to experience every 150 years. I do know the outcome.

    The Republic will prevail and emerge even stronger and more committed to the inalienable rights of every person.

    Yes.We.Can. … DO.More.Together!

  9. August 13, 2011 at 11:58 pm

    You know what? It is so frickin’ way too early to be getting all disgusted about what might happen a year from now. All this rests on the shoulders of the independent swing voters and how they perceive all this. We’re seeing clear evidence that voters in this country do not want to see SS and Medicare touched in any way. We’ve also seen plenty of evidence that everyday Republicans are not enthusiastic about any of their choices. Perry entering the race is just one more person for them to be ho-hum about. The extremist wing of the Republican party has fallen into disfavor with the public. Sure, the candidates now are pandering to extremist base in hopes of doing well in the primary, but only the candidate that can prove he or she can moderate a stance once they get the nomination and make themselves electable has a chance. If no one can pull that off, then that horse race the media wants to promote is going to go over like reruns of My Mother the Car. People will simply tune out.

    • 29 prettyfoot58
      August 14, 2011 at 12:09 am

      Right on….right on….

      we cannot be distracted….the focus is Jobsssss …Jobssss…jobsssss

    • 30 jacquelineoboomer
      August 14, 2011 at 12:14 am

      Wise words, Tien Le. And after seeing a few minutes’ worth of Rick Santorum’s remarks in Iowa today*, in a replay of the speeches, I plan to start now to remind myself of one happy fact. All but one of those in today’s R straw poll will be laughingstocks soon, and officially named as the losers they are. All but one will be heading home, no cigar. Whoever is the R nominee, let it be. President Obama will fight the good fight to get re-elected, and we will have his back.

      *Briefly, in a few minutes, Santorum said (paraphrased) that the freedoms known by his father or grandfather, a Pennsylvania coal miner, have been dashed by one man – President Obama – and Obamacare. If you can figure that out, then you get the cigar. (By the way, Rick, my grandfather went into the Pennsylvania coal mines when he was 11 years old. When John L. Lewis became President of United Mine Workers of America and helped secure rights for miners, my grandfather, a pacifist, said he’d “kill” anyone who ever said a word against John L. Lewis … You should read up on what Democrats and unions did for your grandfather, too, and so that his grandson didn’t have to go into the coal mines at age 11.) (Expletive deleted, here.)

      • August 14, 2011 at 12:28 am

        Back at ya with the wise words, there Jacqueline. You’re so very right about there only being the ONE nominee, all the rest will be thwarted in their ambition and hoping the nominee picks them as a running mate and doesn’t go find some complete unknown like McCain did.

  10. 32 taiping1
    August 13, 2011 at 11:58 pm

    I tried to paste this in the last thread: this is why we will win. We are America: black, white, Native American, hispanic, gay, straight, disabled, not disabled, young, old. What the President and OFA recognize is that victory will not be won in the media which is not our friend but on the ground, through organizing, through social media, through blogs like this community.

    If you go to YouTube and search for David Plouffe at Google there is an hour talk/questions/answers in which he outlines the organizing strategy, why we won then and, it is clear, why we will win again as long as we don’t give up. Our future will be written by us, not by the corporate media.

    Yes we can, again!

    • 33 prettyfoot58
      August 14, 2011 at 12:11 am

      Our future will be written by us, not by the corporate media.


    • August 14, 2011 at 12:34 am

      taiping1, here ya go: 😉

      • 35 Sue in Minnesota
        August 14, 2011 at 12:44 am

        So inspiring….YES. WE.CAN.

      • 38 taiping1
        August 14, 2011 at 12:54 am

        How did you do that? Thanks! (Love the shot of him in the rain: that’s the dedication we can all embody!)

        • August 14, 2011 at 1:02 am

          I added this at the end of the link:


          But, don’t add this to the beginnin’ of the link, though:

          [youtube 😉

          You’re welcome…

          And, I wholeheartedly agree w/that!

          YES.WE.CAN…DO.(Much)More, Together!
          YES.WE.CAN, Again…Obama/Biden 2012!
          I’M IN…FIRED UP & GOIN’! 😉

      • 40 jacquelineoboomer
        August 14, 2011 at 12:59 am

        Oh, wow. Just what we needed to be reminded of, this Saturday evening! I’m going to save the video, and look at it often over the next many weeks and months.

        And I’ve just got to get myself one of those campaign sweatshirts for 2012 (shown in the video) that reads, “Old White Women for Obama”!!!!

        • August 14, 2011 at 1:19 am

          You can say that, again!

          And, I wish you luck in findin’ that particular sweatshirt…

          But, of course, you can design it yourself. 😉

          YES.WE.CAN…DO.(Much)More, Together!
          YES.WE.CAN, Again…Obama/Biden 2012!
          I’M IN…FIRED UP & GOIN’! 😉

  11. August 14, 2011 at 12:03 am

    If Perry is the nominee don’t be surprised if Rudy Giuliani is the VP running mate.


    “A Perry aide paraphrased how Perry explained his support for Giuliani this way: “We don’t agree on social issues, but Mayor Giuliani provided leadership during a time of crisis for the country.” To Perry, Giuliani was a figure who had stellar national-security credentials, a key issue for him.”

    Perry will need National Security credentials in his running mate, and with Petraeus off the board as Director of the CIA, the GOP myth-making machine has defined Giuliani as some sort of national security expert.

    • August 14, 2011 at 12:06 am

      That is so humorous. Between the two of them there isn’t one iota of foreign policy experience.

    • 44 askew
      August 14, 2011 at 1:34 am

      Absolutely no way that the party faithful let a pro-choice candidate on the ticket. That will not happen. And Guiliani has zero foreign policy credentials. That’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever read.

  12. August 14, 2011 at 12:06 am

    The author is a little bit off in his characterizations.

    Today’s conservative (ala Palin, Bachmann, Perry — you know, “Real Merkins”) don’t care about or think about Obama being “urbane, sophisticated, Prius-driving,” etc — that’s too benign of a description for what they’re thinking and saying. Only a sheltered intellectual would write that. No, today’s right wing (the only conservatives with a voice in the media) paint PBO much more disdainfully: as other, foreign, usurper, destroyer of America, socialist, communist, hater of white people, and on and on.

    The author also gives too short shrift of the very real racism underpinning the tea party movement. Methinks the author is a bit too fond of himself and his intellectual musings lack a bit of depth.

    That being said, an Obama-Perry election would provide the stark contrast the country needs to shake off the last vestiges of its slumber. And like the author, I would not relish the ugliness — especially once the fundiegelicals get involved with their particularly twisted form of dogma. A religious narcissist like Perry, and Palin last time around, are especially nasty.

    • 46 taiping1
      August 14, 2011 at 12:57 am

      But if Perry’s prayers continue to work the way they have been so far (prayed for rain: 4 months of drought; prayed for economic recovery and Wall Street crashed) he will become a footnote to history. I note that Texas democrats have a great website up already: http://www.meetrickperry.com. Good place to visit. He’s got so many skeletons he can’t close the closet door.

  13. August 14, 2011 at 12:26 am

    Hey guys, maybe it’s the camera angle or just split-second timing or maybe it’s just me, but does anyone else notice how the President gives Rick Perry a firm hand grip after stepping off the plan while Perry’s grip appears lax or maybe even limp? If the latter is the case, I think the picture of their handshake says a lot about both men. Despite party, policy, and philosophical differences, President Obama always welcomes his political counterparts with respect; whereas Perry responds to his political counterparts in an aloof and plastic fashion—shaking hands only for the cameras, but sending a subtle message that he doesn’t really want to shake hands at all.

    • 48 majii
      August 14, 2011 at 1:14 am

      When PBO went to Elmendorf AFB in AK in 2009, Governor Sean Parnell didn’t go to meet him at the AFB. He chose to go to some meeting with a group of republican state legislators that was only a few miles down the road from Elmendorf AFB. These GOP governors, politicians, and their supporters can barely hold in their disdain for PBO. I am fairly certain that leaders of other nations have spoken to him about this and asked him what their problem is where he is concerned. Knowing PBO, he would give a politically correct answer, but those other leaders aren’t stupid. I imagine they know the main problem republicans have with PBO is not only that he’s a democrat, but he is black.

      • 49 Chi
        August 14, 2011 at 3:45 am

        Unfortunately Majii, some Democratic governors are as guilty in their disrespect/disdain and have also not gone to meet President Obama when he visited their States…

        California and New York come to mind…

        And yet…


        This left me rather stunned and terribly disappointed…

        • 50 bonkers
          August 14, 2011 at 4:52 am

          I’ve tried to stop this lie before. Jerry Brown met with Obama multiple times, and even chose to meet him privately after President Barack Hussein Obama finished the Facebook “townhall,” where they could have a substantiative talk instead of a photo-op, which is often an approach Jerry takes. Not for the cameras and press releases. A focus on real, actual progress. Even with the photo-op tactic, Jerry has been with President Obama when they held a rally at USC that was so popular, they had to change venues at the last minute to accommodate the massive crowd.

          If you’re sincere, please stop spreading this false storyline that’s designed to help with the “divide and conquer” strategy of the MegaMedia/Repubs.

          • 51 Chi
            August 14, 2011 at 7:54 am

            I assure you that you couldn’t find a more sincere person and one who would never play into the strategy you reference…

            As much as this might irk you, there are indeed legitimate concerns to be had with the actions/inactions of some high profile Democrats with respect to their responses to and support of President Obama…

            So raising a bothersome observation that is eerily consistent with those concerns couldn’t possibly be dismissed as spreading a false storyline…

            When this story broke, I called the Governor’s office and was told that he’d been previously unable to meet with President Obama on his official visits to California because he’d been busy with State affairs and the budget…

            The trip to Southern California to welcome William and Kate I was told, was only because the budget matter had now been resolved and the governor was now freed up and planned to do more of these types of events according to his office…

            They said they could not offer any explanation for Anne Gust the governor’s wife not joining Mrs Obama for her events here in California even though she was asked…

            I suppose the office understood the concerns of those who’ve raised the point and who have made the clear distinction between the governor participating in a Democratic party rally for the Democratic candidate which President Obama happened to headline…vis a vis actually playing host to the President on his official visits to the state…

  14. 52 Dave
    August 14, 2011 at 12:29 am

    No matter how NASTY and pathetic the opposing candiates are we have to FIGHT BACK RELENTLESSLY!

    • 53 prettyfoot58
      August 14, 2011 at 8:52 am


      how do we get the HOUSE to move on those stalled bills…..what strategy do we use….those bills are not just good for our President …but good for our country….necessary for our country…

      we have an almost intractible force in the HOUSE….and what about this Super Committee…how do we impact on that….Toomey who is on the committee is from my state…how do we here in PA. impact on him…..

      these are some of the questions that need answers….any ideas….

  15. 54 HZ
    August 14, 2011 at 1:21 am

    I will say goodnight to my TOD Family with these words. I know what I have now, and I love it. I love what I have seen my vote do in 2008, and I love what it has done. I hear and see what a lot of focus, hardworking, honest, non greedy young and old people voted to do in 2008, and I have not lost my faith on those who worked so hard. If they have left the folds, that does not bother me, it just clears the folds for more hard working, dedicted, bright, good, decent young people who want to make things better with a little more time to do it. This was a plate of S… passed over to President Obama. If you can be reminded, when you have allowed shit to sit so long, it is very hard to clean up. So all I want in the WH is President Barack Obama to be my vote for the earned taking. What the WH wants from me is to go and work my behind off and cast that vote of confidence in the man that they have in the Oval Office at this very moment. That is where my head is on this. Why are we worried about some article written by some person who makes his/her living stirring up the pot. I do not like what is in their pots. I will eat out of the pots in the present President’s WH kitchen in 2012. I have tasted their food. It is nourshing, comforting, and the cooks feed the President pretty good. Plus he has to pay for his own food. Pretty healthy from what I can see. Look at that healthy body working his behind off for each of us each everyday. Remember, he said,”And for those of you who did not vote for me, I will be your President also.” Now that is what you call a great and beautiful fabric of the goodness in a man’s heart and the vision of his ideals. Have a wonderful and peaceful evening, TOD Family. I love you all very much.HZ

  16. 56 taiping1
    August 14, 2011 at 1:33 am

    What a wonderful comment, HZ! I wholeheartedly agree. In the end we will win because our President is a man of the people: he is there for us, he speaks to our hopes, not our fears. He calls out love, not hate. He is the American dream and keeps the faith that we can come together to create a better future for ALL of us. Yes We Can! (I’m going to make another donation on BWD’s link: I’d like to help it reach her goal of $10,000, almost at $9,000 to let her know we miss her and look forward to her return.)

  17. 57 nswfm
    August 14, 2011 at 2:16 am

    While we are distracted by the BS sideshow that is the Ames Straw Poll, the financial elite are waging economic terrorism on the workers of this country. Please read this pdf and forward, sending far and wide. We are getting robbed.

    Click to access Analysis-of-Financial-Terrorism-in-America.pdf


  18. 58 Mae who love our CIC
    August 14, 2011 at 3:17 am

    In spite of what we know there is a segment of America who are still willing to support someone like Rick Perry. Just because he is a GOP white man makes him entitled. There is a double standard in this country. There was talk behind closed doors that any race other than white could never live in the White House. They were proven wrong. And they have been fighting ever since so that President Obama won’t succeed a second time even though he runs ring around every one of the GOP’s candidates. A second time by the grace of God they will not succeed. Be careful of what you fear because it will overtake you. Be careful of what you hate it will consume you. Be careful who you make your enemy you will be their foot stool. Peace.

    August 14, 2011 at 5:12 am


  20. 60 Keith in C-bus, Ohio
    August 14, 2011 at 6:22 am

    I understand you perfectly Sue Duvall. The tone of this article and the subsequent tone of a lot of the response in this thread speaks for itself. Fear, and the MSM will create PLENTY of it in the next 15mos. This will be a battle for the SOUL of America. I am very LEARY of the Rightwing Evangelical masses who will forget about Perry’s stance on all the Social programs that the majority of them use and appreciate and instead focus on their RACIAL, ETHNIC, and RELIGEOUS prejudices and make this FANATIC a real threat for the Whitehouse. WE HAVE OUR WORK CUT OUT FOR US FOLKS. NO ONE WHO SUPPORTS DECENCY, TOLERANCE, OPPENESS, EMPATHY, COMPASSION, and HUMILITY should be sitting this election out and work for President Obama’s re-election. We could be staring at Nazi Germany in the 21 Century if we don’t work hard together. 😯 KEEP HOPE ALIVE!! Obama/Biden 2012!!

  21. 63 FactPlus
    August 14, 2011 at 7:42 am

    PBO has removed practically all the platforms from which the GOP could have launched an election campaign with a possibility of winning. The only two things left, that they can leverage to win the GE, are the jobless rate and going extremely negative from the start to the finish line. The jobless rate is not such a strong platform as there is still enough time for significant improvement to trump all pessimistic forecasts. Besides even if unemployment does not improve significantly the public already blame the GOP for the economy anyway so a lot of lying would have to be done to drown out this public reasoning and it still might not work. The only avenue open for a win is the Rovian way therefore. Go negative and belligerent and be relentless about it. Americans like fighters and this strategy put GWB in the White House for two terms and nearly got Hillary the nomination in 2008. So if the GOP strategists get what they want then it will be Obama vs Perry. Perry is clearly the only GOP male candidate with a stomach for the horrible GOP campaign that is going to unfold to run the black guy out of the White House by any means possible. The other guys are like McCain, too gentlemanly and nice for what is required. The Tea party and most supporters of GOP don’t want to be ruled by a black man no matter how good his policies may be and they are so partisan that the only way Obama loses in 2012 is through an unapologetic Rovian onslaught that puts aside policy and nuance and goes for a bare-knuckle Darwinian struggle for survival, pitting partisan against partisan and eroding any fence sitting. Most so-called independents are white and Republican anyway. In a partisan fight they instinctively break to their side; It’s human nature. Yes we better hope the GOP primary voters foil the plans of the strategists and handlers because our stomachs are going to turn like they never did before by the time this is over if Perry wins the nomination.

  22. August 14, 2011 at 7:48 am

    EXACTLY what I was thinking last night.

    new thread, btw. See y’all there.

  23. 66 LYNND
    August 14, 2011 at 8:52 am

    Ha, America is on its collective knees right now, bowing to the porcelain goddess because they got a taste of that tea. If nominated, Perry will continue to put the values and morals of the tea party on full display for the whole world to see, and that’s a bonus for Team Obama.

  24. 67 prettyfoot58
    August 14, 2011 at 8:55 am

    First Casualty….

    Tim Paw…has withdrawn from the race…

    • August 14, 2011 at 10:58 am

      Are you saying Pawlenty have withdrawn from the Presidential race? All I can say is so long Timmy, don’t let the door knob hit you were the good Lord split you.

  25. August 14, 2011 at 1:04 pm

    Haven’t been here for a while. That photo you have of Obama just strolling along in June 2009: DAYUM!! Just that. Dayum.

    That out of the way, I have to agree that Perry stirs loathing in me, even though as a Southerner who grew up in a deeply redneck neighborhood I can’t say it bothers me for a redneck to be a redneck. I’m basically one myself. Rather, it’s the posturing, the play-acting, the whole “Ah’m a real Amurkin and you ain’t” bullcrap. It’s the pretending to be of the people while making sure his cronies are covered and milking every single thing they can from the system. It’s the attacks on the federal government, right down to a threat of secession, while at the same time holding his hand out for stimulus money. It’s the lies about having no federal assistance for the wildfires when he actually received something like 28 or 29 federal grants of millions of dollars worth of aid. He’s just a really repulsive guy, a Bush replay. I don’t think he’d have a snowball’s chance in hell against Obama.

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