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‘the utopian left’

Andrew Sullivan: Well, in Andrew Sprung’s words, today’s brutal, unsparing attack on Obama from the dreamy left was “a rhetorical nuke dropped on ground zero in the liberal heartland.” I have no doubt that it will appeal to many who are depressed and demoralized by a presidency fighting both a global depression and a brutal, extremist right-wing opposition….

….. To take just one point, does Westen believe that, after TARP, a much bigger stimulus would have been able to get through Congress? And for what? These are not the 1930s, and in a much higher tech society, Depression era shovel-ready projects were not so easy to find. And the aversion to tax cuts seems strange. Aren’t they among the most effective way to stimulate demand quickly? And how much debt would we now have with such a stimulus? The trouble with telling stories is that fiction isn’t fact. And Obama faced a country that had become so leveraged in public and private that the 1930s option Westen wanted was a chimera. Is $14 trillion not enough debt?

…. What Westen seems to have wanted was the Democratic version of George W. Bush, contemptuous of his opponents, ruthless in his often unconstitutional determination to get his agenda through, divisive and polarizing. But Obama would not have won election on those grounds and did not have a mandate for that. He was elected as a moderate Democrat, prepared to engage any pragmatic solution to obvious problems, while not splitting an already polarized country even further.

That he has tried to do, against an opposition party that decided to double down on polarization, on politics as warfare, on politics as a game, and bereft of any ideas except taking us back to before the New Deal. What has to be defeated is not just their agenda, but their modus operandi. Only by patiently out-lasting and out-arguing them will Obama be able to do this. And it says a lot about the utopian left that they do not see the wisdom and responsibility of this strategy.

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78 Responses to “‘the utopian left’”


  1. August 8, 2011 at 10:19 am

    Andrew Sullivan does get it right a lot of the time!

  2. 2 Sue in Minnesota
    August 8, 2011 at 10:24 am

    And his voice is always calm and reasoned. I appreciate his input. He says he is a fiscal conservative, if we had more conservatives like him we might have more success at reasoned and meaningful debates and poltical conversations.

  3. 3 halo
    August 8, 2011 at 10:30 am

    Brutal day on the stock market.

    • 4 Eleroy
      August 8, 2011 at 1:02 pm

      Good old halo!!! Always dropping off your very special brand of cheery sunshine and happiness!!!

  4. 5 carolyn
    August 8, 2011 at 10:43 am

    The far left has wanted President Obama to be everything they hated about GWB: dictatorial, rigid, highly partisan, careless about consequences, rude, but jumping to their commands. Because he is none of these, they have instead become what they hated about GWB and hate about the tea party. They have looked for short term “wins” and not long term gains. Each of them has wanted the president to ride his/her hobbyhorse, and deal with his/her private personal problem, to the exclusion of anything in the bigger picture. Ed yelled because the president didn’t “go to Wisconsin and march”…..the Wisconsinites didn’t want that, they and he knew it would be all about him if he did that. They have acted like the grownups they are and handled their own situation. He is just one example.

    We have been watching an excellent BBC series from a few years back entitled “Foyle’s War”…about the beginning of WWII in England. These people (rigid left) remind me of those English elite who favored the Nazis and were willing to sell out for the short term gains they thought would come. Fortunately, Churchill and others held strong, and the average person worked hard and didn’t give in to the blandishments of the moneyed ones. Fortunately, FDR worked with Churchill quietly, against the wishes of the Republicans in Congress, to help defend England until we were in the battle completely. These Republicans today are the descendants of those from the 1930s who would have sold us down the river. People need to know history to get a perspective on this. I am old enough to have lived through a lot of it.

    Remember when in 1964, Barry Goldwater said: “Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice.” That was frightening to me as a young person, and though I had been brought up in a Republican household, and this was y first vote, but I COULD NOT not vote for him . We are seeing this extremism reaching an unforeseen peak. I pray that this is the farthest these people will go, that they will wake up and come back from the edge. You can look at various peaks of this along the way, and be thankful we survived. We will now, too, in spite of what the doomsayers are spewing forth.
    We have to stand strong and not give in to despair or run away from the president. We ARE on the right side of history as those who stood strong in England were.

    • 6 hopefruit2
      August 8, 2011 at 10:56 am

      Excellent post carolyn. I also believe that a significant proportion of the current crop of anti-Obama “progressives” are not truly “far-left.” Many of PBO’s loudest critics are former Clinton/Edwards supporters who were just fine and dandy with John, Bill and Hillary’s centrist policies but all of a sudden have problems with President Obama’s negotiating for best possible outcomes given the political realities of the day.

      Their “left” positions are now stereotyped and revenue-generating caricatures of what they assume someone on the far-left would endorse – hence the term “Professional Left” as Gibbs aptly described it. And they give themselves away occasionally when they let it slip that they are okay with Romney and/or Hunstman as President. Neither of these Republican candidates would endorse policies remotely close to what a true “far-left” ideologue would want. And yes, many of them secretly admired GWB but were to ashamed to openly admit it, since he was an international embarrassment and colossal failure on so many levels.

      • 7 Lovepolitics2008
        August 8, 2011 at 11:37 am

        John W. Dean, in his great book “Conservatives without Conscience” made me aware of the work of Bob Altemeyer on the authoritarian personnality. In his book “The Authoritarians”, he mostly talks about right-wing authoritarians, but he also states there are left-wing authoritarians. Unfortunately he doesn’t explore the subject much. I’m convinced that many people of the far-left indeed present the characteristics of the authoritarian personnality.

      • 9 Sue in Minnesota
        August 8, 2011 at 12:19 pm

        It is hard for me to delineate where one extreme ends and the other begins. They are counter productive to their own causes and ours as more patient progressives and Democrats.

      • 10 MoObama
        August 8, 2011 at 12:57 pm

        You are right hopefruit2! I thought I was the only one that heard the slight of tongue endorsement from the PL that Hunstman might be the guy. I heard this first from Maddow.

      • 12 Eleroy
        August 8, 2011 at 1:06 pm

        Totally spot on Hopefruit2!!!

    • August 8, 2011 at 11:07 am

      I certainly hope you are correct about these extremists will come back from the edge. I’m not so sure. See I’m old enough to remember Goldwater, too. I think these extremists, e.g. John Birch Society have been among us. They went underground because moderate Republicans shunned them. They are emboldened once again because of the Tea Party. Personally, I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting from these people to come away from the dark side.

    • August 8, 2011 at 11:43 am

      Carolyn, I will check it out. We get BBC. Thanks for the heads up.

    • August 8, 2011 at 11:48 am

      I agree: excellent post Carolyn, thank you.

  5. 16 hopefruit2
    August 8, 2011 at 10:44 am

    The professor who wrote the oped was obviously a former Clinton or Hillary supporter and clearly invited his numerous fellow PUMAS to read and comment on his piece on the NY Times. Which is why upon just reading the comments, you will see a common theme of “I supported Hillary..or Hillary would have done this or that better.” There are also a few of them who are supportive of a Sanders primary. The PUMAS come out in full force whenever they feel that the President is at a relatively vulnerable position, and then they slink back into silence whenever he is strong. That is the hallmark of cowardice – and these are clearly not the President’s true “base.”

    • August 8, 2011 at 10:54 am

      I can’t even bring myself to read Drew Westen. I saw that he said something like PBO doesn’t understand that he’s being bullied by the Republicans and doesn’t know how to deal with it and I just couldn’t stomach the ignorance. President Barack Hussein Obama doesn’t understand bullies? PLEASE.

      • August 8, 2011 at 11:44 am

        PBO doesn’t know he is being bullied by the Republicans?? Really? Um, methinks,The whole world knows this, or rather anyone with a functioning brain can see,hear and know that they are trying to bully.

      • 19 Sue in Minnesota
        August 8, 2011 at 12:27 pm

        I think an African American with some gravitas should write a counter opinion piece to set this idiot straight. What African American in our culture does not have experience with bullying, systemic and insidious disparities, and culturally imbedded attitudes of white privilege.
        This suggestion has me smoking mad….I’ld like his attitude to be rearranged that he may begin to see straight.

        • 20 Eleroy
          August 8, 2011 at 1:23 pm

          The problem is that President Obama has not reacted in the obvious ways to the idiots or allowed them to drag him down to their level!!!

          Pocket book pseudo-psychotherapists like this Drew Westen idiot just don’t get it!!!

          He deals in shallow stereotypes and obviously has no concept of a supremely evolved adult like President Obama, operating at the highest level of self-awareness, discipline, self-worth and self-possession!!!

          Drew Westen is a silly, inconsequential quack who would rather attempt to diagnose the sane guy while applauding and elevating the crazies!!!

          That is the alternate universe we are dealing with today!!!

      • August 8, 2011 at 4:18 pm

        No need to read it. It is like reading the comment threads at DKOS or FDL or almost any other liberal blog. Nothing new. Its just validation and the PL is eating it up.

    • August 8, 2011 at 10:55 am

      You are on point hopefruit. The ass who wrote it made up his mind on the day of the inauguration. That in itself supports what you said. He was looking for PBO to fail.

      God Bless Tiny Tim and Andrew Sullivan.

    • 23 Lovepolitics2008
      August 8, 2011 at 11:57 am

      On top of the numerous unprecendeted challenges President Obama faces, there is the fact that in the presidential primaries he beat a candidate who had spent years building alliances within the power circles in Washington and within the media establishment. Moreover this candidate was married to a former President who has had some successes, who has a pretty strong ego, who is STILL very interested in politics and is not shy to give his opinion privately and publicly. His intervention about the 14th amendment is the last example. President Obama was put in the difficult position of contradicting a former president publicly. For the record I think President Obama was the one who made the right judgment call. Can you just imagine the political circus if he had invoqued the 14th ?? S&P would have go forward with the downgrade anyway and almost all of the blame would have been put at his feet.

      The ugliness that I’m seeing within the democratic party has got to stop. I hope cooler heads prevail.

    • 24 Anonymous
      August 8, 2011 at 12:54 pm

      hopefruit, I gotta admit I’ve never seen anything like the PUMA phenomena. Almost 3 years later, they’re still treating the Obama presidency like an on-going primary. Speaking for myself, President Obama is the first democrat that I supported early and who actually won. NEVER, did I (or most democrats) fail to get behind the dem who won.

      Special note to those who supported Hillary: this is NOT a criticism for having been a Hillary supporter.

  6. August 8, 2011 at 10:49 am

    A Dem George Bush is exactly what they want except their version doesn’t actually get anything accomplished. He just pounds on the podium and uses brilliant cutting phrases to achieve spectacular failure. That way they can really feel morally superior without having to actually risk anything.

    You would have thought they would have learned that lesson with Bill Clinton. Remember how he went before Congress and told them if they did not send him the health care bill he wanted he would veto it? He brandished the pen and took total command of the bully pulpit. How’d that work out?

    • 27 Sue in Minnesota
      August 8, 2011 at 12:30 pm

      I think they want someone they can push around, intimidate and control. I also don’t think their egos appreciate the fact that he is smarter than they are by a long mile. They seem to think they are the thinking class of America.

  7. August 8, 2011 at 10:51 am

    I posted this on another thread but it applies to yesterday’s discussion on vitriol and it may apply here also. It is a response to mtmaryland whose friend basically said that we need a strong leader:

    you should ask her what she thinks Hillary would have done better. I’m sure even SS Clinton would admit that these are difficult times that require the courage to lead through compromise rather than drawing invisible lines in the sand and ducking for cover. I didn’t vote for a showboat know-nothing, do-nothing. I voted for a man of action and common sense and love of country. Perhaps you could remind your friend of just who PBO is………. I know exactly how you feel mt. When I went home for a quick visit last week, my mom said almost the same thing, except her stance was: “for me, he compromises too much……… he needs to save some things for the democrats-his own party.” Uh….. what do you think saving Medicare, Medicade and Social Security is about? What do you think health Insurance which allows me to stay on your plan is about? What do you think the Auto Industry, Fuel Efficiency Standards, DOMA, DADT and all the other long lists of accomplishments this president has advanced is about?—— The only thing she could complain about was the Bush tax cut and then she corrected herself by saying: “oh yeah, he got unemployment insurance instead.” —It’s like they don’t think. They only see the flashing lights and they don’t look beyond it. When did politics become tabloid trash, where the media is only interested in taking people down and exposing them and when did citizens become that bored customer in line who reads the front of those rag magazines as they are waiting to ring up their purchases. This is a sad state of affairs in our modern history. The death of truth in journalism and the continued stupidification(made up word) of our citizenry. I could almost blame the repugs for this. Isn’t their motto: ‘the stupider you are, the easier you are to manipulate’ as evidenced by the Teaheads? This has taken quite some time to do: divorcing the American people from it’s government through outright lies and innuendo. It’s gotten so bad that smart, educated people have become dumbed down when it comes to politics. The GOP no longer relies on true adherence to Republican principles that will get people out to vote for them, so they started to blatantly cheat, attempting to stymie or hobble the competition prior to the race. The GOP, our very own Tanya Harding. The fact that their attack is so blatant, with a thin vail of false pretense: voter fraud……..really?—is patently disgusting but unsurprising when we realize with whom we are dealing. I know some here asked that we tone down the vitriol when it comes to discussing these people (and yes I can choose to not post all the bad things I hope happen to the repugs , tepugs and loony left and I’ve chosen to acquiesce on that front), but we should never get hateful, unfounded speech confused with truth telling. If we call these people hostages, it’s not that we are bad mouthing them, it’s because it’s the truth. If we call them greedy and lacking common human decency, it’s the truth. It may not have been the truth of your grandfather’s republican party, but unfortunately, those days are over. What we have here, is a failure to care on the part of the republicans. They don’t care that they shot the hostage after they got their money, just because they want to get at PBO. That kind of absolute hate does not deserve respect. It’s sick. We should call it out any day, anywhere, anytime, and anyway we can, because if we don’t, it starts to seep into everyday people’s conversations. And people like my mother who yelled at me early on in the campaign when most people didn’t know exactly who Barack Obama was- but on whom she had had her eyes- to do my civic duty, pay attention and vote Barack, to then turn around and say or imply, that he is weak and won’t win the next election. That should not and will not stand. The only thing the repugs can do, and do well, is lie. Every time they do it, I will call them out and say that they are liars, they are thieves, they don’t love or believe in this country or its people. If that is vitriol, then I will own it because to me, it’s the truth. So, repugs can go fuck themselves, I’m no $2 whore that can be easily rolled. And I refuse to allow them the opportunity to screw over my fellow Americans.
    ps- as you can see, I had time last night to sleep on yesterdays discussion and what I found was, I’m not going to pretty up the truth for anyone.

    • 29 Blue
      August 8, 2011 at 11:15 am

      Hillary as President during this crazy time? All I can say is that Bill Clinton would be in the news everyday, and every woman that pass him by, the Murdoch Corp would find scandal day after day, and nothing would get done. President Obama live a clean life, and he still have to put up with false political stories, so you can imagine if he had a life like Bill Clinton? However, Hillary knows how to speak rhetoric, but she doesn’t have the ability to get things done like President Obama, for I’m still waiting for her accomplishments as SOS. Without President Obama leadership on foreign policy, Hillary would make certain that war with Iran would be a McCain fantasy come through.

    • 30 Anonymous
      August 8, 2011 at 11:18 am

      Lisa, you tell it any way you damn well please, young lady. I keep forgetting how young you are, but you are way ahead alot of oldheads in knowledge and wisdom. Keep givin’ em hell 😀

      ——–edp4bho

    • August 8, 2011 at 11:49 am

      Hear, hear Lisa. I feel just like you. No more prettying up or sugar coating anything when it comes to these fake liberals, PUMAS and tea baggers. If the truth is ugly and hurts so be it . Pres does what he does because he’s trying to do his job as President of the whole country and not just the democrats. But we can sure as heck be partisan and fight these liars.

      • 32 Anonymous
        August 8, 2011 at 1:15 pm

        Right proud. We have to be the “nasty” that PBO can’t be, and I sure as hell am mad enough about so much s–t being said and lied about this President, I absolutely refuse to hold it in, to benefit who? There’s a time for everything, and it’s past time for taking the gloves off. We all better know something !

      • 33 Anonymous
        August 8, 2011 at 1:17 pm

        My last post…….it’s edp4bho. Still anon at work 😀

    • 34 sjterrid
      August 8, 2011 at 1:40 pm

      Lisa, I love the way you speak.

    • 35 Eleroy
      August 8, 2011 at 2:22 pm

      Totally spot on Lisa, but do remind your lovely mama that it is important we all see to it that President Obama is re-elected because if he isn’t, this country and the world is doomed!!!

  8. 36 SUE DUVALL SMITH
    August 8, 2011 at 10:52 am

    THE UTOPIAN LEFT IS LIVING IN THEIR OWN SELF-CONSUMED FANATASYLAND. THEY DO NOT HAVE THE PRESIDENT’S COMPASSION OR VISION. I FOUGHT TO GET PBO ELECTED BECAUSE HIS VISION AND MINE ARE THE SAME…IT’S CALLED EQUAL OPPORTUNITY AND COLOR,CLASS AND ORIGINS ARE NOT ISSUES! WE ARE ALL AMERICANS WHO NEED TO RESPECT AND HELP EACH OTHER. IF YOU DON’T LIKE THAT VISION..ARGUE WITH CHRIST..THAT IS HIS VISION! THAT’S WHY WE WERE CREATED. THERE IS NO DETOUR FOR HUMANITARIAN ACTION!

  9. August 8, 2011 at 10:54 am

    Good Morning Everyone

    I try and post positive stories each day, it helps keep my spirits up and may do the same for you.

    Healthcare law has saved seniors $460M on drugs, HHS says
    http://www.whatisworking.com/2011/08/healthcare-law-has-saved-seniors-460m.html

  10. 43 PoliticalJunkessa
    August 8, 2011 at 11:01 am

    Don’t know who this Drew West guy is, and don’t need to add another idiot PL pundit to my memory bank, so all I’ll say is that it’s become obvious that PL/firebaggers do just as much fantasy thinking and mythologizing as righties/teabaggers do. They do the same type of cherry-picking of facts and have the same type of selective memory and inability to grapple with hard decisions in today’s reality. And they don’t even have any results to show for it, unlike the teabaggers. They’re basically useless.

  11. 45 MTmarilyn
    August 8, 2011 at 11:08 am

    I so agree with Sullivan. All this attack on this President is unbelievable. I was even talking to a friend yesterday and she said what we need is a real leader. I was shocked. She was a Hilliary supporter and has never been a great supporter of this President. I want to ask what she expects but it hasn’t been the right time. So much more has been expected of this President and it’s like they don’t think all he has been facing matters. He still isn’t doing enough. I am ready to do more. I am determined to learn twitter. I am going to a class to learn more on my droid so I can fully use it all the time. I am away from my computer more than I am on it. So I must use my phone. We will rise up and we will win. Yes We Can!

  12. August 8, 2011 at 11:08 am

    WH just released a statement that PBO will address the markets at 1pm. You can watch it at wh.gov/live

    • August 8, 2011 at 11:10 am

      Sorry, not the markets, but the S & P downgrade and the economy.

    • August 8, 2011 at 11:16 am

      I wonder if he’ll call back Congress. I also hope he doesn’t blame both parties equally – it’s getting sorta tired. Boehner brags about getting 98% of what he wanted, McConnell says they’ll hold the ceiling hostage again in 2013 and teabaggers cheer the downgrade at a Tea Party rally – it’s not on the Dems Mr. President.

      • 49 askew
        August 8, 2011 at 11:19 am

        Yeah, he needs to ditch blaming “congress” for these problems. It’s not Congress as a whole, it is exclusively Republicans. I also don’t want to him spend time praising the “good Republicans”. All of the Republicans voted against a clean debt ceiling bill. There are no “good Republicans” in Congress any longer.

        • 50 Eleroy
          August 8, 2011 at 2:27 pm

          Still hard at work behind your computer, dictating to President Obama on how and what he ought to say and do I see!!!

  13. 51 Blue
    August 8, 2011 at 11:23 am

    The left tea baggers love Bernie Sanders and want him to challenge President Obama come 2012, because Sanders speak the same rhetoric and nothing else. It’s about insulting your opponents and beating one’s chest without being accountable. However, President Obama cannot do that, because everyday he has to walk into the lions den, and have to able to work with these vultures. Sanders has nothing to lose, so he can do this. I still don’t know what exactly Bernie Sanders have done in Congress, and bills that he wrote and pass for the poor and middle class.

    • 52 isonprize
      August 8, 2011 at 11:36 am

      Tired, tired, TIRED of the “Bernie Sanders should primary President Obama” foolishness.

      Bernie Sanders is NOT a Democrat. How can he primary President Obama?

  14. August 8, 2011 at 11:31 am

    Bad news on the Wisconsin polling front as PPP only has Dems leading in one Recall election tomorrow. And we need THREE! Even the odious Randy Hopper is back out in front and he was a lean Dem all along.

    Jennifer Shilling (D): 54 (56)
    Dan Kapanke (R-inc): 43 (42)
    Undecided: 3 (3)

    Jessica King (D): 48 (50)
    Randy Hopper (R-inc): 49 (47)
    Undecided: 3 (3)

    Shelly Moore (D): 42 (45)
    Sheila Harsdorf (R-inc): 54 (50)
    Undecided: 4 (5)

    Fred Clark (D): 47 (49)
    Luther Olsen (R-inc): 50 (47)
    Undecided: 3 (4)

    Only glimmer of hope is that this was a weekend poll, and they tend to skew a bit more conservative IIRC. OTOH PPP basically nailed the Hansen numbers a couple of weeks ago

    • August 8, 2011 at 11:40 am

      After everything that’s happened in Wisconsin, why are these races so close? I don’t get it.

      • August 8, 2011 at 11:50 am

        All of the current Republican incumbents were elected/re-elected in 2008. Outside of the Kapanke district, all went hard for Bush in 2004, and all went hard for Prosser in the recent WI Supreme Court election. In all of the districts, again outside of the Kapanke district, Walker polls better than Pres. Obama. Outside money poured in, upwards of $20M will be spent by GOP groups and was enough to gin up their supporters about sticking it to Obama.

        • August 8, 2011 at 11:58 am

          Thanks for the explanation. Scary.

          • August 8, 2011 at 12:03 pm

            TPM has a story up where the GOP Senate Majority Leader was on Fox calling this a referendum on the Walker Agenda – he wouldn’t be doing this unless he believed they have it in the bag.

            Outside groups again flooded the field, GOP groups outspending Dem ones 5-to-1. It was 7-to-1 in the 2010 midterms. I don’t think people realize that Citizens United might have ended ended Dem chances of winning anything. This is why they protect their millionaires at all cost.

            I think I’m done.

            • 58 Anonymous
              August 8, 2011 at 1:32 pm

              Let’s hope that the only poll that matters is the poll that takes place on election day.

            • 59 lmrj
              August 8, 2011 at 1:37 pm

              Let’s hope the only poll that matters is the one taking place on election day. After we suffered through Arnold Schwartznegger, Meg Whitman outspent everyone in California with her own $$$ and still lost to Jerry Brown.

            • 60 hopefruit2
              August 8, 2011 at 3:41 pm

              StR they had done the same thing in the NY26 special election when Palin had campaigned for one of the Tea bag candidates. In fact that was one of the most hyped elections – that is until the late afternoon of election day itself….

              I’m not drawing any conclusions based on remarks by the GOP leader.

      • 61 tao jones
        August 8, 2011 at 9:02 pm

        at this point we just have to admit that Wisconsin is now to the right of West Virginia. If they don’t rescue themselves quickly they are on the fast track to being a state of modern day sharecroppers.

  15. 62 dotster
    August 8, 2011 at 11:37 am

    I see wild-eyed Michelle Bachmann and hubby attended an anti-gay church in Iowa yesterday. She was there clutching her Bible, alongside her obviously gay hubby as the pastor preached about the sins of homosexuality and presented a testimonial of a “former” gay parishoner whose “conversation with God” made him start liking gals. That couple is a little too obsessed with the gay, right? A couple of sickos:
    http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/08/08/7304701-bachmann-attends-church-service-denouncing-homosexuality

    • 63 Mae who love our CIC
      August 8, 2011 at 12:06 pm

      Maybe he is a reformed person who was once engaged in same sex partners. Some times we can speak from our own prospective. If you are saying that Bachmans husband is a hypocrite. What can do do about a liar especially one who happens to be an adult. Hate the sin and not the person. The bible speaks against homosexuality. It says for us to love everybody. I know I will get beat up but it’s okay.

  16. August 8, 2011 at 11:40 am

    The Sprung piece is terrific. I have added the site to my bookmarks. About half of the comments are by howling liberals who will vote Green. You know the old line–At least they have convictions.

    Some of the comments are beautifully written and show a true understanding as to what PBO is. Intellectually gifted, rational, unassuming, etc. Those people get who the president is. I still believe that a big chunk of lefties who voted for PBO because, like Bill Maher, they thought BHO would be a thug and beat the crap out of those who disagree. Ain’t no way that these “people” didn’t see the stereotype of a black man.

    Shame on these so-called “liberals”.

    • 65 Eleroy
      August 8, 2011 at 2:38 pm

      Those “liberals” Dorothy, ALWAYS voted Green!!! Many of these folks never supported or voted for President Obama!!! The Naderites all dabbled with Ron Paul – still do!!! As long as he is against the war, doesn’t matter that he is against civil rights, wants to deregulate everything and essentially wants to send us back to the good ole days when blacks knew their place and government (on whose tit he’s sucked for years), wasn’t so darn big and effective in regulating corporations!!!

  17. 66 Mae who love our CIC
    August 8, 2011 at 11:51 am

    We are behaving like the media, pondering what he will say won’t say hope he says hope he does not say he should say and should not say. Dang where is the patience. Let us hear first and then discuss

  18. August 8, 2011 at 11:53 am

    Lets face it the Purist Left is just as immature as those on the fringe right who thinks we don’t need fire departments, safe drinking water and clean air.

    You look at all their progressive heroes in the house and the senate, and none of these people are rarely involved in the process to actually get major legislation passed into law, and the same goes with the fringe right on the other side.

    Because of John Kerry’s always reasoned approach I will take him over a senator Bernie Sanders any day.

    • 70 PoliticalJunkessa
      August 8, 2011 at 12:57 pm

      Ted Kennedy was also —*gasp*— a compromiser. I know that’s sacrilege to the PL, but he got things done.

  19. 71 FiredUpInCA
    August 8, 2011 at 11:56 am

    The stimulus worked as we’ve gone from losing 700,000 million jobs per month to the private sector adding 150,000 per month. The reality is, that a hole that deep was never going to be filled quickly and easily.

    But rather than the Republicans at federal and state level being focused on jobs, jobs, jobs, they have instead been focused on public sector layoffs and creating debt ceiling uncertainty.

    Because this President has no political scandals or personal ones, they have to manufacture a crisis, so we’re in the middle of an attempted overthrow by S&P.

    And rather than the Left or the media focusing on the fact that an elected official like Eric Cantor stood to profit handsomely if the U.S. was downgraded, they have been focused on everything but that.

    The goal of the GOP is to win by any means necessary even it means plunging us into another Depression. This is beyond silly season. This is perilously close to sedition season.

    I don’t have an ounce of energy for any site like the Daily Despair or any columnist like this Drew person who I never heard of until he attacked the President. We have too much at stake to indulge the willfully and pathologically ignorant.

    There will be no primarying of this popular, astute President who averted a Depression, saved GM, reduced nuclear arms by a 1/3, ended DADT, and passed healthcare reform that enables single-payer state-by-state and too much more to list.

    There will be a re-election of this President. Period. If I have anything to say about it, there will be an electoral landslide.

    We have come too far to go back to the despair about the direction of our country that was felt acutely at home and abroad.

    A wise man once said, and he was proven correct, nothing can stand in the way of millions calling for change.

    On one side there are the petty few on the Left and Right who are taking themselves out with their ideological intransigence and on the other side there are the overwhelming majority of us that continue to give this President higher approval ratings than any other modern President at this point in his presidency. That is a fact that they cannot alter, unless they alter us.

    Neither the S&P, nor the members of the pathological Left or Right will deter the rest of us from returning the speaker gavel to Nancy Pelosi, the most prolific speaker in modern history, and they cannot, and they will not stop the re-election of the best President in my lifetime, Barack Obama.
    Period.

  20. 74 Debz
    August 8, 2011 at 12:16 pm

    I am tired of all of the purists on the left and their disappointment. How interesting that in the last two weeks, the so called,Progressives, who are mostly PUMAS, have been pushing this nonsense about a primary opponent, followed by front page articles attacking the President’s character. Sullivan got it right and I appreciate that there are some people out there who call out the left for living in their fantasy worlds. There has been a coordinated attempt by both the right and the PUMAS to take down PBO and we will all have to work very hard to make sure this does not happen. I will also say I am truly disgusted by the CBC and the “Progressive Caucus” who are supposed to be democrats, who lately have been joining the PUMAS in their attacks on the President.

  21. 75 Anonymous
    August 8, 2011 at 1:17 pm

    Help!!!! This is a test. I keep posting and my posts don’t post. this is particularly deflating since I’m more lurker than poster.

    pamelabrown (with fingers crossed)

  22. 76 utaustinliberal
    August 8, 2011 at 1:54 pm

    Great article by Sullivan. The extreme left is all about whining and no action. They’re a bunch of empty barrels.

  23. August 8, 2011 at 3:57 pm

    A great read guys and one I think we’d all agree with.

    “Drew Westen’s Nonsense”
    http://www.tnr.com/blog/jonathan-chait/93323/drew-westens-nonsense

    There are some strong criticisms to be made of the Obama administration from the left, especially concerning Obama’s passive response to the debt ceiling hostage crisis, and his frightening willingness to give away the store to John Boehner. I’ve made many of these criticisms myself. But Drew Westen’s lengthy, attention-grabbing Sunday New York Times op-ed is not a strong criticism. It’s a parody of liberal fantasizing…

    • 78 Eleroy
      August 9, 2011 at 7:12 am

      “Obama’s passive response to the debt ceiling hostage crisis” WTF??!!! Are you kidding me!!!

      Sorry, but I do not agree with that and will not be clicking on your “great read”!!! Fuck them all!!!

      All these know-it-all’s including those who pose as if to take on the falsehoods in an inane op-ed but end up right back at the insults!!! They all end up doing this nonsensical fake criticisms even as they try to take on another fake critic!!!


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