Deaniac83 (The People’s View): …. Paul Krugman is a political rookie compared to Barack Obama. He is either unwilling or unable to actually look at the deal that was announced and realize what just happened: Barack Obama ate John Boehner’s lunch, and then he turned Boehner out to go preach to his conservative colleagues that this eating of the lunch by Obama is actually politically good for them.

I am not kidding. Nor exaggerating. I will show you exactly how that happened if you bear with me a little bit. But first, let’s get some details of the deal out of the way so that everyone has an idea what we’re talking about.

See the details here

…. Now let’s get to the fun part: the triggers. The more than half-a-trillion in defense and security spending cut “trigger” for the Republicans will hardly earn a mention on the Firebagger Lefty blogosphere. Hell, it’s a trigger supposedly for the Republicans, and of course, there’s always It’sNotEnough-ism to cover it.

No, the loudest screeching noise you hear coming from Krugman and the ideologue Left is, of course, Medicare. Oh, no, the President is agreeing to a Medicare trigger!!! Oh noes!!! Everybody freak out right now! But let’s look at the deal again, shall we? From the White House fact sheet, here is what the President actually agreed to:

Consistent With Past Practice, Sequester Would Be Divided Equally Between Defense and Non-Defense Programs and Exempt Social Security, Medicaid, and Low-Income Programs: Consistent with the bipartisan precedents established in the 1980s and 1990s, the sequester would be divided equally between defense and non-defense program, and it would exempt Social Security, Medicaid, unemployment insurance, programs for low-income families, and civilian and military retirement. Likewise, any cuts to Medicare would be capped and limited to the provider side.

Read that again. That’s what the media and the whiners are not telling you. The President agreed to no Medicare benefit cuts in the “trigger”. None….

…. As it turns out, if you look at the details, the President essentially gave up almost nothing in the triggers. John Boehner, as usual, put himself between two triggers (three, if you count the clock ticking on the Bush tax cuts), both bad for his party. McConnell is basically trying to sell his surrender pig with a little lipstick on. And Boehner went dancing to his conservative House morons about how great this deal is for them. But then by now, we should all have learned that John Boehner is very bad at his job, and that President Obama always eats his lunch, and leaves him there holding the teabag.

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359 Responses to “deaniac”

  1. 1 tally
    August 1, 2011 at 3:17 pm

    I don’t know why…. but the more everyone says this is a done deal, the bigger my feeling gets that the Teaspoons will refuse to play. I don’t see Boehner having the votes. I don’t even see him bringing this to the floor, because if he doesn’t have the votes, his Speakership is OVER.

    If they had the votes, it would already be DONE. And it’s NOT.

    Cassandra still says CLEAN BILL.

    Which would be the BEST. THING. EVER.

    • 2 hopefruit2
      August 1, 2011 at 3:34 pm

      jaketapper Jake Tapper
      RT @rickklein: Speaker Boehner tells @dianesawyer he’s got the votes…

    • 4 hopefruit2
      August 1, 2011 at 3:35 pm

      By the way tally, I think this is tantamount to a clean bill when you think about it.

    • August 1, 2011 at 3:35 pm

      I’ve seen calculations at other stages of negotiations where the tea spoons weren’t needed. Luke Russert tweeted that the House will vote on it first and that telegraphs that the votes are there.

      Breaking News
      House will vote first on #debt deal, timing still uncertain – @lukerussert

      • 6 tally
        August 1, 2011 at 3:37 pm

        Well, if it DOES go thru, then the Tsps are FUCKED because they voted to increase revenues. 😆

        But again – we’re only in the 7th inning stretch.

        If the votes are there – get the fuck on with it.

        • 7 hopefruit2
          August 1, 2011 at 3:42 pm

          According to reports from CSPAN, a house voted could be around 6:30 ET.

          • August 1, 2011 at 7:37 pm

            hopefruite2 and tally, I just saw on C-span Gabby Giffords (!) who traveled all the way from her rehab to vote for the bill (I feel exactly as you do that it’s not done yet!). But Gabby Giffords, recovering from being shot in the head, waving in response to the truly stupendous applause greeting her was wonderful. Hair dark and short, smile still a little tentative, standing and then sitting for a while, then standing again, energetic waving. Nancy introduced her and spoke of her truly amazing recovery and dedication and determination. Wonderful to see her. What a trooper, an inspiration to us all, certainly to me.

            Thank you everyone for your good wishes, they did so much to get myself in gear. Thank you thank you.

            By the way Tally, I’ve been enjoying your pieces tremendously — full of wisdom and hope and straight talk.

            • 9 utaustinliberal
              August 1, 2011 at 7:40 pm

              Welcome back JKS. Glad to know you’re feeling better and was hopefully boosted by our well wishes. Stay blessed and healthy because we need you for this epic battle. 😀

            • 10 tally
              August 1, 2011 at 7:48 pm

              JOAN!!! WE MISSED YOU!!!!

              THANKS SO MUCH BABE!

              ❤ ❤ ❤

              When someone mentioned Gabby was on the floor, I clicked on the link – and burst into tears!! EPIC FUCKING WIN!!!

              I still don’t trust McConnell as far as I can spit. With the House on recess, what’s to stop him from filibustering this? Or, because it came through the house already?? or… because he already gave approval on it he has to have his sippy cup of STFU now? How does this work?

            • 11 GGail
              August 1, 2011 at 7:48 pm

              Oh Joan, welcome back! It’s so good to see your name up here again! God bless you! And yes, it was great to hear that Rep Giffords came to the House to cast her vote FOR the bill. 🙂

            • 12 hopefruit2
              August 1, 2011 at 8:30 pm

              Welcome back Joan – it’s great to have you with us again! 🙂 🙂

    • 13 Obama Grandmama
      August 1, 2011 at 3:46 pm

      i kind of wonder if it is good to have all this press out there cuz the Tprtyrs may read it and decide to campaign against it. It is not a done deal yet.

      • 14 Sue in Minnesota
        August 1, 2011 at 3:49 pm

        I was wondering if they weren’t attempting to orchestrate more chaos, they way they spin things gives me vertigo.

      • 15 tally
        August 1, 2011 at 3:50 pm

        I also see the Tsps LYING to Boehner, because they want Count Cantor to be their new Cabana Boy, and fetch their cocktails without crying into them.

        It will be interesting….. wish I had today off.

        Actually, I wish we were all with Chips, somewhere warm, on the beach, listening to waves, and drinking Blue Drinks. And then a hot Samoan man in a sarong sits next to me and talks all smart like LOD……

        • 16 Debz
          August 1, 2011 at 4:03 pm

          Cantor, the “Cabana Boy” LMFAO

        • 17 Sue in Minnesota
          August 1, 2011 at 4:10 pm

          I first read thong, not sarong……you know those Samoan boys can be pretty big……thoughts of sumo wrestlers……8O

          • 18 tally
            August 1, 2011 at 4:11 pm

            HAAAAAAA! Sue!!! I wouldn’t ming The Rock in a thong….. 🙂 but skirts are sexier….. sarong, kilt – don’t care. /purrrrrrrrr

            • 19 Sue in Minnesota
              August 1, 2011 at 4:20 pm

              You are calling me back to an enormous crush I had on a lifeguard when I lived in Hawaii. Oh my god he was total deliciousness.
              He talked to me one day, and I think I literally melted into the sand. Many hours expired before I was fully reconstituted. He coached the girls sculling team…so I could get away with some serious stalking. Silly, silly girl.

              Rock in a thong, a sarong, or nothing at all…works for me. 😀

        • 35 prettyfoot58
          August 1, 2011 at 5:23 pm


        • 36 nospin
          August 1, 2011 at 5:48 pm

          lololololololol Tally. You are amazing

      • 37 Eleroy
        August 1, 2011 at 4:20 pm

        Fear not Grandmama, they do not read!!! LOL!!!

    • 38 theo67
      August 1, 2011 at 3:51 pm

      Tally – a clean bill won’t satisfy the ratings agencies. They said this a week ago and I think it would destroy the economy if the only thing to come out of this is a clean bill. Better to have the illusion of cuts that may never happen, or better yet, get real reforms in defense spending and close those loopholes. I think a clean bill is a non-starter, especially after seeing the detail of the deal.

      • 39 tally
        August 1, 2011 at 4:00 pm

        I know you’re logically correct – the ratings agencies CREATED THIS FUCKING MESS. So they can go FUCK THEMSELVES and eat those empty fucking threats.

        sorry – Princess Potty Mouth is extra pissed today with everyone attacking her POTUS.

        Moodys et al are never going to lower our rating unless we actually default. SOMEONE has to have an AAA rating, and I think we might be the only ones left who do (that actually borrows money.)

        Does Germany? China? Does anyone borrow money other than us? Anyone know?

      • 48 57andFemale
        August 1, 2011 at 4:29 pm

        What you said.

    • August 1, 2011 at 8:00 pm

      I just read on TPM that is it is done deal. Gabby Giffords came back to cast the first vote.

  2. 50 blue
    August 1, 2011 at 3:22 pm

    Randi Rhodes has broken it all down, and President Obama really is getting a clean bill, because everything else will be an increase in revernue, and cutting depense. So, it seemed that President Obama got what he wanted, and then some!

  3. August 1, 2011 at 3:26 pm

    I just read Deaniac’s article. Excellent. I’ve had such a good feeling about the negotiations for days. The President didn’t telegraph his action on bin Laden. He negotiated that stunning $20 billion commitment from BP for clean-up and repayment for damages in the Gulf when their legal commitment was $75 million. He got a huge deal in December in return for extending the Bush tax cuts. He knows what he’s doing.

    I trust him more and more all the time and I am SO enthusiastic about working for his reelection and Democrats in 2012.

    Reminder to give The Man some love:

    Comment line for the President: 202-456-1111

    White House online contact form

  4. 55 Bobfr
    August 1, 2011 at 3:29 pm

    Deaniac and TiMT have done a magnificent job today (as they always do) placing the facts before the screaming lunatics on the left.

    The problem with those facts is that the extortionists of the radical terrorist (aka Republican) party may soon decide that they don’t like the results and suddenly their hostage has been armed while they were slapping each other on the back.

    Make no mistake the former genuinely conservative Republican Party has earned the badges of extortionist and terrorist – just look at the harm and concern they have caused to the Republic’s credibility and the families of our military, our veterans, our family members on social security and medicare.

    The next few hours are going to be quite interesting and hopefully the Republic will emerge stronger as more and more Americans get a up close and personal dose of what it means to allow fringe, terrorists take control of any aspect of our government.

    Yes.We.Can. … DO.More.Together!

  5. 56 Fred
    August 1, 2011 at 3:29 pm

    GOP Rep. Lamborn: Associating With Obama Is Like ‘Touching A Tar Baby’ 😯 😯 😯 😯 😯 😯


    • 57 tally
      August 1, 2011 at 3:38 pm

      Lamborn needs to be physically tarred and feathered and thrown into the Gulf on a motherfucking RAIL.

      • 58 theo67
        August 1, 2011 at 3:54 pm

        I just love the way you break it down.

      • 60 HZ
        August 1, 2011 at 5:08 pm

        I just called and spoke with a live person in his office . I toldd him exactly how I felt about the comment. The young man was very nice. Believe me it was a clear message from my heart.HZ

        • 61 tally
          August 1, 2011 at 5:14 pm

          make sure you ask for a shot of Demoral tomorrow before you go into surgery…… 😀

          It’s the “Happy Bliss-I’m gonna get better now” drug.

          • 62 HZ
            August 1, 2011 at 5:31 pm

            Thanks Tally. I am feeling that it will be blissful, but I am one who has the problem of taking so long to come out of whatever is administered.

            • 63 Anonymous
              August 1, 2011 at 5:40 pm

              HZ – I’m understanding you are having surgery? I wish you the very, very best.

            • 64 tally
              August 1, 2011 at 5:44 pm

              When I was 21, I was a walking Stephen King novel. At my first OBGYN appt it was discovered that I had a dermoid cyst on my left ovary the size of a grapefruit with fully developed adult teeth and hair in it (apparently I swallowed my twin.) EEW!

              So, I was whisked into surgery within the week, (sign here and we’ll get your appendix at no extra charge) and before they came to take me to the OR, I got my first ass-shot ever. (Why didn’t I get these as a child? I might never have hated shots/needles like I do…) and from that moment through the next 24 hours, I was in HEAVEN. It’s not really a pain killer, but it makes you NOT CARE, and makes you happy. I needed a new shot every 3 hours. It’s not as horrid as the anesthesia – but you can have it alongside it. And it keeps you happy. WHEEEE!

            • 65 sam uk obama supporter
              August 1, 2011 at 5:52 pm

              HZ. I just want to wish you well for your surgery tomorrow and send you my love. i will be thinkin gof ou and praying for a speedy recovery.
              God bless you.

            • 66 desertflower
              August 1, 2011 at 5:56 pm

              Love you, HZ>>>>thinking of you, especially tomorrow. You’ll be fine…if you take a long time coming around from the anesthesia, you’ll just get that much more relaxation! You are in my thoughts…..Demoral is ok…morphine?…scopolomine gives you a little “twilight sleep” You have such a choice! Let us know when you come back around:)

              • 67 tally
                August 1, 2011 at 5:59 pm

                You can have Demerol along with anesthesia, and it only lasts about 3 hours. WHEEEEEEEEEE! I was on it 24 hours once, and was buzzing my nurse for another shot in my ass every three hours (and I HATE needles!) “WHERE’S MY SHOTTTTT?!!!!”

            • 68 Sue in Minnesota
              August 1, 2011 at 6:41 pm

              HZ I am the same way. Deep meditation has been very effective for me prior to a surgical situation. I don’t know why my body really does not like anesthesia.

              I will keep you in my thoughts and prayers, as I am sure all here will as well.

            • August 1, 2011 at 10:24 pm

              Hi HZ, I’ve missed so many comments the past few days – are you having surgery soon? If so, we’ll all be thinking of you and we want you back here VERY soon! Love ya HZ.

    • August 1, 2011 at 3:38 pm

      We’ve heard equally obnoxious things from the far right and they will continue. I don’t read them or give them any attention and I feel much better because of it.

    • 71 Fred
      August 1, 2011 at 3:48 pm

      found this assholes number and all

      Contact Doug

      437 Cannon House Office Building
      Washington, DC 20515
      Phone: (202) 225-4422
      Fax: (202) 226-2638

      1271 Kelly Johnson Blvd. Suite 110
      Colorado Springs, CO 80920
      Phone: (719) 520-0055
      Fax: (719) 520-0840

      415 Main Street
      Buena Vista, CO 81211
      Phone: (719) 520-0055
      Fax: (719) 520-0840
      (no mail delivery)


    • 74 Sue in Minnesota
      August 1, 2011 at 3:52 pm

      What pig sty did he crawl out of?

      • 75 Sue in Minnesota
        August 1, 2011 at 4:02 pm

        Called, they are claiming the comment was taken out of context. Autumn was not able to restate the comment, but said he was not referring to the President but rather his economic policies. I asked her to relay to the Congressman how inappropriate he was, how disrespectful, and how beneath the dignity of the office he was elected to serve. Additionally I rejected the rationalization that it has been taken out of context, if that is the case than both the Congressman’s character and intellect deserved to called in to question.

        Another attempt to put lipstick on a pig, this time a racist pig.

        • 76 Debz
          August 1, 2011 at 4:06 pm

          How can any one take that kind of comment out of context? These KKK repugs are sickening. Did they also say “he’s not a racist?”

        • 77 tally
          August 1, 2011 at 4:07 pm

          GAWDSFUCKINGDAMMIT. Anyone who says “TAR” and “BABY” at all, anytime, and they’re not discussing Song of the South, needs to FUCKING RESIGN!!!

          I am sorry – but this FUCK has really pushed me over the cliff today, and I AM DONE WITH THESE RACIST FUCKTARDS!!!!

          👿 👿 👿 x ∞³

        • 78 theo67
          August 1, 2011 at 4:11 pm

          In what context is that comment acceptable? I’m calling. I just need to calm down first.

          • 79 Sue in Minnesota
            August 1, 2011 at 4:38 pm

            Theo I was shaking when I got off the phone, but I had complete control throughout the conversation. It is not acceptable, and no lame ass excuse will ever make it so. I really dislike people that don’t have the courage to face up and own their indiscretions.

      • August 1, 2011 at 4:31 pm

        Colorado Springs. It is a bastion of extremist religious groups, (focus on the family etc.) and teapotty nuts.

        • 81 tally
          August 1, 2011 at 4:34 pm

          And no taxes. They have no police, no streetlights, and I think even their city government has been disbanded. They’re about to give up trash collection.

          It’s Somalia Springs, Colorado.

          • 82 Sue in Minnesota
            August 1, 2011 at 4:41 pm

            Wish they would take it to Somalia. And it’s the Air Force Academy with it’s Christian Fundamentalists tentacles.

            • August 1, 2011 at 5:04 pm

              From Wikipedia:

              In order to combat the nearly $38 million budget shortfall projected in 2010 caused by current economic conditions resulting in decreased sales taxes, a proposal to increase property taxes by $10 million over five years was approved for the November 2009 ballot by the city council on August 25, 2009. Issue 2C was voted down on November 3, 2009. An attempt to reform the city’s Taxpayers Bill of Rights (TABOR) was considered but not put on the ballot.[30] As a result the city reduced fire and police jobs, stopped paving roads, eliminated evening and weekend bus service, reduced public trash control, turned off city street lights, and asked residents to mow the grass in their neighborhood parks.

              • 84 Sue in Minnesota
                August 1, 2011 at 5:17 pm

                Wonder how they all like living in the dark ages. Who serves them if there is an emergency? A car accident, a house fire? Here in Minnesota our roads would become impassable without regular maintenance….that would put a cramp in everyone’s pocketbook and lifestyle. This people are creating their own headaches.

                • 85 Sue in Minnesota
                  August 1, 2011 at 5:18 pm

                  These, not this ….DOH

                  • 86 tally
                    August 1, 2011 at 5:20 pm

                    I wonder who plows the snow off the roads? HAAAAAAAA!

                    • 87 Sue in Minnesota
                      August 1, 2011 at 6:48 pm

                      Ha is right. Colorado can really get dumped on, when we are talking snow. I bet the snow shoe manufacturers sell alot of gear there 😀

                      I’ve been through 2 house fires. Waiting even 5 minutes for the fire trucks is like spending a lifetime in hell. Imagine calling in the bucket brigade.

              • 88 theo67
                August 1, 2011 at 5:43 pm

                I wonder if the media would do an expose on this town, to show America the real vision of Republican Utopia. While their Presidential candidates are busy living off the government teat – directly and indirectly – their citizens are mowing their own public parks.

                • August 1, 2011 at 5:45 pm

                  And what’s amazing is that this is something that the citizens are doing to themselves. They can change the law. They can tax themselves to provide services. They refuse to. It’s just mindboggling.

    • 90 Sue in Minnesota
      August 1, 2011 at 4:24 pm

      Fred how did you make those bug eyes…everytime I try I end up with 8O. Is the O a zero? 80

  6. 93 57andFemale
    August 1, 2011 at 3:38 pm

    There’s a diary at gos that has the most lovely logic. It’s not from an Obama lover, but explains where to place our anger.

    Don’t click there if you don’t want to, of course. I found it refreshing in many ways.


    · Reports: 12/22/2006

    • 94 57andFemale
      August 1, 2011 at 3:41 pm

      Okay, I’m on an office computer and obviously linked incorrectly:


      Here’s a tidbit from the diary:

      “Some of you are coming away from this debacle with the idea that we can’t support the Democrats. I’ve watched this debacle play out, and come away with the idea that we must prevent Republicans from holding even the slightest discernible iota of power.

      If the zombie demons from DOOM invade my home and start threatening my family, I’m going to fight them with whatever weapons I have. If my best weapon is a butter knife, I use the butter knife. Screaming at the butter knife “DAMN YOU WHY AREN’T YOU A CHAINSAW? OR
      A BFG 9000?” doesn’t save my family.

      So the Democratic Party is a butter knife. It’s the best weapon we’ve got to fight the zombie demons of the GOP. Don’t tell me your principles require you to wait for a better weapon. That smacks of both defeatism and arrogance – an unpleasant combination.”


      • 95 tally
        August 1, 2011 at 4:16 pm

        This is actually quite AWESOME. Thank you for the link.

        I need a fucking massage today so BAD.


  7. 96 nintendowii10
    August 1, 2011 at 3:42 pm

    I’m already watching the loudmouth liberal left melting down on TPM, once again calling PBO a caver/capitulator/Republican etc.

    It’s sad that they would be willing to allow the nation to default, just so PBO could stick it to the Teapugs in Congress. They care more and more about the politics of the issue than about keeping the nation and world economy from going off the cliff… and they claim to speak for “Obama’s base.” It sickens me to my stomach.

    I’m glad Deaniac, Chips, BWD, ABL, Smartypants keep putting the FACTS in CONTEXT out there. I’ve had it with the liberal left always attacking PBO for getting the best deals that prevent catastrophe and whining/bitching that HE SHOULD HAVE DONE MORE.

    This man is clearly visibly tired and stressed out, GIVE THE MAN A FUCKING BREAK!!!!! If these liberal loudmouths think they can do better, they need to shit and get off the pot and run for office!!!!

  8. 97 theo67
    August 1, 2011 at 4:02 pm

    The thing that gives me comfort is the fact that the PL and tea baggers have been around for generations. They have said the same rotten things to every President that has tried to make big changes and the changes have happened anyway. I think President Obama keeps telling us that there’s nothing new here, every time he talks about how the country has seen bad/worse times and come out of them every time. The President – whomever it was – has seen hard times, and overcome them. And I have no doubt that the President fully expected that his race would bring out the racists and hateful people – and he was prepared for them.

    I listened to five minutes of Stephanie Miller’s show today – in time to listen to Mook Jim derisively saying that if President Obama had been around at the time of slavery, he would have sought a compromise with the Confederates and some people would still be slaves. Well – didn’t the President just talk about this a couple of months ago? Lincoln DID seek a compromise with the Confederates, and not every slave was freed with the Emancipation Proclamation. This is just more evidence that the PL don’t have a semblance of history, and they speak without knowledge. Compromise is not a dirty word. PL and tea baggers are cut from the same cloth.

    • August 1, 2011 at 4:38 pm

      Talking about slavery…today is Emancipation Day, with celebrations in my neck of the woods. This morning I was reflecting on what the forefathers and foremothers had to go through to bring us to now. All we need to do, like them, is to stay strong, never give,up, keep moving forward, and keep soldiering on. Onward,forward!.

    • 99 Eleroy
      August 1, 2011 at 4:38 pm

      That guy is the very reason I stopped listening to Steph!!! Very hateful in an extremely passive aggressive way!!!

    • 100 Sue in Minnesota
      August 1, 2011 at 5:09 pm

      Same story, different page. Remembering President Obama saying how they accused Jefferson of being a horned devil.

    • August 1, 2011 at 7:05 pm

      LOL!!! Guy is a moron. LOL!! truly. I’m sitting laughing because….omg LOL!!!

  9. 102 theo67
    August 1, 2011 at 4:14 pm

    I hope America holds these Republicans accountable for what they’ve done. The treasury bonds of the United States have been the safest investment because they were backed by the Constitutional promise that protected the full faith and credit of the United States. That is now in question. They are claiming victory. The US dollar is the world’s reserve currency, and the Chinese have been pushing to change the global currency – and have been held back because of the credit-worthiness of the US treasuries. That’s all been put to doubt. Republicans have to pay a price for what they’ve done. And I think the President is mad over it, too.

    • 103 tally
      August 1, 2011 at 4:19 pm

      THIS!!!! Nailed it babe!!!!

    • 105 Titti
      August 2, 2011 at 6:45 am

      Thanks theo, these effers think this is a effing game of football. The only losers in this is the American people/the USA! Even though the US still has its triple A rating, I believe investors will seriously consider investing in its currency and bonds going forward.

    • 106 geegee
      August 2, 2011 at 9:47 pm

      theo, maybe they have 🙂 Wasn’t it reported that Cantor had betted on this failing by buying stock (in goverment bonds-I think). If true, I hope he lossed a bundle.

  10. 107 MsMaggie
    August 1, 2011 at 4:15 pm

    Deaniac thank you sooooo much for pointing this out. Last night when this agreement was announced I about lost it. Then I went to whitehouse.gov, as you did, and read the fact sheet for myself and had my “awwhaa” moment. President Obama has played this smooth to a tee and they don’t know what hit them. Even big mouth Rush Limbraugh recognizes it. Take heart this is nothing but another “Go Mr President” moment. God I love this guy as President. He is just what we need right now someone who can outsmart them by winning and letting them think they won…….how cool is that!!!!!!!!!!! ….God Bless America…….WILL BE NICE HAVING ANOTHER 4 YEARS OF THIS GUY. We just have to learn to look beyond the obvious as what the msm reports

  11. August 1, 2011 at 4:26 pm

    Hi, everyone!
    Some of the blogs have gone completely crazy today! I hope the bill passes, not because I’m thrilled about it, but because (due to the rules in the senate) I don’t think a “clean bill” has time to pass before the default deadline. I think PBO got the best deal he could get while being forced to negotiate with cwazy, after the Democratic party leadership refused to deal with this issue (like he told them to) before the 2010 elections.

    I’m just killing time before I head out to the polls. The teabagger in charge of our county cut taxes, cut services, and plunged us into an insane amount of debt… now he wants us to foot part of the bill to replace Nassau Coliseum. I’m taking my mom and aunt and going to vote *No*. They need to find private funds for this if they are going to build it, especially with Charles Wang involved (his business practices are shady at best).

  12. 112 Doris
    August 1, 2011 at 4:32 pm

    David Koch’s Americans for Prosperity Plays Dirty Trick In WI: Mails Absentee Ballots To Dems With Wrong Election Date |

    David Koch’s right-wing front group Americans for Prosperity has been particularly active in Wisconsin, where AFP has run hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of ads boosting Gov. Scott Walker (R-WI), mobilized GOTV efforts for Republican voters, and helped large employers conduct captive meetings to coerce workers into supporting conservative politicians. Now, Politico is reporting that AFP has mailed absentee ballots to Democrats in at least two Wisconsin state Senate recall districts with instructions to return the paperwork after the election date.


    • 113 tally
      August 1, 2011 at 4:37 pm

      How is this LEGAL??? ARREST THESE FUCKS!!!

    • 115 lmrj
      August 1, 2011 at 6:15 pm

      Think we should be looking at this as a trial for what they will be attempting come 2012 in the nationals. The DOJ will hopefully become involved so that it will squelch the attempted theft of our next big election. Just a thought…

  13. 116 collegekay
    August 1, 2011 at 4:32 pm

    I hate when people disrespect my president 😦

    • 117 Eleroy
      August 1, 2011 at 4:41 pm

      Collegekay where have you been???

      • 118 collegekay
        August 1, 2011 at 4:50 pm

        I’ve been tweeting but mostly taking a break from the blogs and lurking. The debt drama was wearing me out mentally/emotionally.

    • August 1, 2011 at 4:43 pm

      Hi collegekay! 🙂

    • August 1, 2011 at 4:45 pm

      I’m with you collegekay. I hate it when they disrespect President Obama. My blood really boils! 😡

      • 121 collegekay
        August 1, 2011 at 4:51 pm

        Hi Donna. I really really hate it. He’s trying so hard to do what’s right but people on the left and the right won’t let him govern.

        • August 1, 2011 at 4:56 pm

          I know what you mean. And the stupid PL in the MSM aren’t making things any easier either.

          I made the mistake of watching MSNBC awhile ago and saw this stupid Moron Dylan Ratigan with his PL round table goons going on and on about a democratic primary challenger. I almost took up my laptop and threw it to the floor.

          I was so heeping mad. 😡

          • 123 Sue in Minnesota
            August 1, 2011 at 5:11 pm

            They need to tell us just how they would have got it done. Reality would have slapped their big ideas up side their heads.

          • 124 hopefruit2
            August 1, 2011 at 5:14 pm

            Dylan Rot-tigan is a Libertarian conservative. His spin has always been anti-Obama from day one. Meanwhile during the Bush years, he sat on CNBC and barely uttered a word of outrage. But since joining MSNBC after Jan 20 2009, he’s been yelling and screaming anti-Obama PL talking points – and that’s pretty much all he does. COWARD ARSE.

            • 125 Sue in Minnesota
              August 1, 2011 at 5:24 pm

              But they never explain to us the what magic wand they will wave to get from Congresspeople the votes they need to have it their way.
              I really wish they would explain that aspect of the equation. They reduce the entire legislative process down to one factor…Obama.
              I am not impressed by their arm chair quarterbacking. Not even slightly.

          • 126 theo67
            August 1, 2011 at 5:51 pm

            Of all the people on MSNBC, Dylan Ratigan is the one I absolutely will not watch. I would even watch Morning Joke and even Ed Schultz before watching Dylan Ratigan. He is a snake. After he humiliated Jonathon Capehart, I saw what he was made of. And he passes himself of as an informed objective person, but he’s really a right wing tool – specifically, a tool for Wall Street.

    • 127 Fred
      August 1, 2011 at 4:52 pm

      welcome back CK 😀

  14. 128 desertflower
    August 1, 2011 at 4:53 pm

    Deaniac is my god:) Awesomeness perfected! Other awesomeness…Randi Rhodes..love her ! On now…
    http://www.ktlkam1150.com/mediaplayer/ She is THRILLED with this….by the way, I’ve stayed away from all the chatter today…I feel wonderful!

    • August 1, 2011 at 5:09 pm

      listening to her now. she’s awesome and is now explaining the deal.

    • 131 deaniac83
      August 1, 2011 at 5:17 pm

      Great minds think alike! I am a rabid, unapologetic Randi fan!!! I am a few months behind on her podcast though,

      • 132 desertflower
        August 1, 2011 at 5:35 pm

        Me, too:) She is to audio, what YOU are to the printed word! Yes, I really think that:) A MUST. Everyday. You both make me smarter, and I love you both for that.

      • 134 EDP4BHO
        August 1, 2011 at 7:39 pm

        I’m always late to the party, but Deaniac…..thank God for you and for Randi. I’ve never been a politics person until I stumbled upon Randi during the terms of GWB and I credit her for fully informing me of everything that was going on. She does her homework like no one I’ve read or heard before. Apparently you do as well because after reading your post explaining the compromise, my mood lightened. Again, thank you.

  15. 135 rockpopple
    August 1, 2011 at 5:16 pm

    I’ve been listening to Randi Rhodes for the first time today, and wow, she’s sold me. She’s making a lot of sense. So much more cogent than the continual pants-wetting PL.

    • 136 desertflower
      August 1, 2011 at 5:31 pm

      You will never hear a more passionate, more truthful,more “take no BS kinda girl” She is HANDS DOWN the best there is….nothing and no one gets past her! I love her smarts, her honesty and her passion. Glad you got to listen today…make it a routine, like brushing teeth or sleeping at night. It’s just that necessary:)

      • 137 Janelle
        August 1, 2011 at 5:52 pm

        The $8 a month is worth it for the podcast. It’s worth every penny. The only time I don’t listen is when her substitute host, Nicole, is on—-she is a whining, complaining person. I haven’t always agreed with Randi (like I would tune out when she would have Grayson, Weiner, or Bernie Sanders on), but she is great at explaining everything and she does a lot of research, posts it on her website and knows her facts.

  16. 139 tally
    August 1, 2011 at 5:18 pm

    Gods, I wish they fucking VOTE ALREADY!!

  17. 143 Sue in Minnesota
    August 1, 2011 at 5:19 pm

    Testing 😯

  18. 146 tally
    August 1, 2011 at 6:03 pm

    Everyone streaming Randi right now – she’s over. Turn it off, or you’ll get an earful of some tool from the WSJ.

  19. August 1, 2011 at 6:07 pm

    Al asking why the so called progressives complaining about PBO and this deal when they had the majority before the 2010 elections and could have dealt with all of these issues they are currently mad at PBO’s wheeling and dealing. Go Al! Call those suckers out!!!!

  20. August 1, 2011 at 6:09 pm

    Rev. Al keeping Daqna Milbank on point baby!!!!! 😆

  21. 150 Doris
    August 1, 2011 at 6:17 pm

    Rev. Al preaching!!!! 😀

  22. 151 gd4pbo
    August 1, 2011 at 6:23 pm

    Ain’t that the truth Mr. Vice President! They are the American Taliban.


    Btw, Rince Prius needs to shut the fuck up. After all the shit spewed from his party about PBO before and after being elected, they should be apologizing for the rest of their miserable lives! Why isn’t he calling for Lamborn or whatever the hell his name is to apologize? Gawd these people make me so angry!

    • 152 Sue in Minnesota
      August 1, 2011 at 7:07 pm

      They can’t handle the truth. I wrote President Obama and VP Biden last night to thank them for all they do for America, and all they endure.
      I made the exact same reference, and told them how it was akin to terrorism. I said somewhere in the netherlands Osama Bin Laden was smiling as his mayhem continued, only this time by the hands of our own elected representatives.

      The Republicans love to be the bully, they also believe in two sets of rules, one for others and anything goes for them. They have blown up polite company….I say the gloves are off. Not taking their shit no more.

  23. 153 nospin
    August 1, 2011 at 6:28 pm

    votes are going to take place soon. My hope is the Dems in the house forces the GOP to go first.

  24. 156 ChristiMtl
    August 1, 2011 at 6:32 pm

    Interesting little video of the hypocrisy of the GOP during the Bush era, raising the debt ceiling , 2:13 sec.

    So if I get this right, back then it was to pay debts, now it was to give a blank check to the Pres. for more spending.


    • August 1, 2011 at 6:35 pm

      130 current GOP reps voted for clean raise in the past. Many of them may times. It’s only an issue because a Democrat is on office. And nobody in the MSM cared to call this fact out.

  25. August 1, 2011 at 6:32 pm

    What is criminal about all of this is that Clinton runs a surplus, Bush spends like a drunken sailor for eight years on GOP pet projects and the Obama is elected and it’s all about debt and deficits and spending is capped for the rest of his presidency. And then should a Republican be elected in 2016 it will be “deficits don’t matter, we have a mandate” all over again and they’ll cut taxes further and spend on their MIC war machine, and give to their oil buddies.

    I’d like to see spending capped legislatively with some sort of formula so the next Republican President can’t come in and go on a spending spree with the very same Republicans in office all of a sudden believers in deficit spending being a good thing.

    • 159 tally
      August 1, 2011 at 6:37 pm

      That’s what the GOP were trying to do now with the Balanced Budget Amendment. The trouble is, you can’t stop Earthquakes and Hurricanes, or foreign countries from attacking us.

      If there’s a cap on spending, what happens to FEMA? What do you say to California if a big EQ takes out our major cities (which is 1/5 of the US economy? “Oh sorry, we got no money to help you.”

      Having California out of the economic loop would plunge the US economy into the biggest depression the globe has ever seen.

  26. 160 Me4obama
    August 1, 2011 at 6:33 pm

    Rev Al is the the truth teller, straight talker, and he has access to the whitehouse. Keep preaching Rev, I am enjoying every word you are saying because it’s the TRUTH.

    • August 1, 2011 at 6:51 pm

      What is it that Rev. Al has said. I have done my best to avoid all tv today, because I didn’t want to hear all that B.S. from the media, who is so anti-Obama. I just wasn’t in the mood for their B.S. today.

  27. 162 hopefruit2
    August 1, 2011 at 6:39 pm

    HEADS UP: “House to vote shortly, senate action likely tomorrow.”


  28. 163 ChristiMtl
    August 1, 2011 at 6:48 pm

    There’s no words to describe how I feel about the tealibans/GOP

    But so many things could have have been avoided if the Democrats had the President’s back in the past, like voting on the tax cuts for middle class only and so on.

    I just read that in December 2010, they had the leverage to raise the debt ceiling, here’s what Harry Reid said:

    But Democrats rejected it. One argument was political. As Harry Reid put it, “let the Republicans have some buy-in on the debt. They’re going to have a majority in the House. I don’t think it should be when we have a heavily Democratic Senate, heavily Democratic House and a Democratic president.”

    • August 1, 2011 at 7:00 pm

      ChristiMtl, you are so right about these Democrats, they could had taken care of alot of these things when they had control, but they didn’t. Now all they want to do is blame this President.

  29. 165 Doris
    August 1, 2011 at 6:54 pm

    Infographic: Nuts and Bolts of the Debt Agreement

    Just posted at OFA

    Last night, President Obama announced a bipartisan agreement with congressional leaders to reduce our deficit and avoid a government default.

    We’ve put together a set of resources to show what the agreement will do. Take a look at the infographic below and download our quick guide to the nuts and bolts of the agreement.


  30. 166 tally
    August 1, 2011 at 6:57 pm

    Who is going first? – I can’t bear to watch this at work – my soccer-Tourette’s might kick in.

  31. 168 utaustinliberal
    August 1, 2011 at 6:59 pm

    Ok, so the House is voting to raise the debt ceiling. Crossing my fingers that this passes.

  32. August 1, 2011 at 6:59 pm

    Rev. Al calling out the progressives as hypocrites. Asking PBO to stand up and fight but they won’t come 2012 on the issue of taxes.

  33. 171 utaustinliberal
    August 1, 2011 at 7:00 pm

    Okay we have a 168 votes now. 149 Yea from GOP and 19 from Dems

  34. 173 utaustinliberal
    August 1, 2011 at 7:03 pm

    BREAKING NEWS: Rep. Gabrielle Giffords from Arizona (she got shot by the mad man Jared Loughner) returned to the Capitol to vote to raise the debt ceiling. In the midst of her recovery, she still puts the American people first. The teabaggers should be ashamed of themselves. Gabrielle is a billion times better than them. Bless her heart.

    • 174 hopefruit2
      August 1, 2011 at 7:06 pm

      WOW…she voted?!?!?!?!?! That’s amazing!!! Thanks for this bit of news utaustin!

    • 176 Bobfr
      August 1, 2011 at 7:19 pm

      ut – I was in the middle of a project when I got this news and litteraly started crying … what a totally amazing person she is.

      And, if this was such victory for Republicans why did 66 of them vote nay ….

      Yes.We.Can. … DO.More.Together!

      • 177 Bobfr
        August 1, 2011 at 7:42 pm

        ut – everyone – a video of her return to the House to vote

        Yes.indeed.We.Can. … DO.More.Together!

        • 178 utaustinliberal
          August 1, 2011 at 7:54 pm

          Awwww… Bob thanks for this. I confess I was teary eyed when I saw that Gabby had returned. Bless her heart.

    • August 1, 2011 at 7:49 pm

      ut, I jumped the line above because I’d just heard about it and was truly touched by Gabby’s determination. But sorry that I jumped in like that, no excuse for that.

      I thought that if Gabby could come in to vote, especially backing up her president, certainly I can start living again from bronchitis, sinus infection, and drug reaction, even being twice as old as Gabby — I wasn’t shot in the head!

      • 180 Sue in Minnesota
        August 1, 2011 at 9:10 pm

        Are you fully better or running on grit and determination? Please respect your body…but glad to have you here.

  35. 181 hopefruit2
    August 1, 2011 at 7:05 pm

    But the MSM (including Howard Fineman) told me that this was a HUGE WIN for the Republicans. If so, why are 53 of them voting “nay” so far???? That’s a lot of Repubs considering this deal was a HUGE VICTORY for them…..hmmmmmm…..

    Now Fineman is backtracking his words to say that there is no positive energy on the floor right now because no one wants to vote for this. But Mr. Fineman, you told us yesterday that the Repubs had gotten all what they wanted. So where’s their energy Mr. Fineman????

    • August 1, 2011 at 7:15 pm

      LOL. Someone ought to tell the Tea Party. Fineman, Reich and Krugman should set these guys straight.

    • 183 Sue in Minnesota
      August 1, 2011 at 7:19 pm

      Sounds you are like me, I’ld love to get under that smirky jerks skin. Which orifice is he talking out of tonight, his mouth or his ass?

      The entire MSM was backtracking today from what I understand. Tactical, or are they covering their butts?

      Brava Gabby Giffords. That woman has true grit……and much to be admired for.

      I hope Sarah Palin chokes on her venom…wherever she is.

      • 184 Sue in Minnesota
        August 1, 2011 at 7:21 pm

        My typing is horrible…sorry for yet another error. Sounds as if you are like me……not that other gooble dee goop.

    • 185 majii
      August 1, 2011 at 8:35 pm

      Fineman is finally finding out that PBO is NOT the person he’s been thinking that he is. PBO got the majority of what he wanted in this bill, and Fineman, after seeing the details in it, is being forced to come to grips with the fact that the GOP just handed PBO and the dems something more to run on in 2012: a bill that shows the republicans’ desire to impoverish the majority of the American people to further enrich the 1-2 percenters.

  36. 186 Me4obama
    August 1, 2011 at 7:05 pm

    Gabriel Giffords turns to Washington.

  37. 191 utaustinliberal
    August 1, 2011 at 7:05 pm

    Ok we have 213 votes now. We need 216 votes. Gabrielle Giffords just voted and they’re all clapping for her. She’s freaking AWESOME. She voted Yes to raise the debt ceiling.

    • August 1, 2011 at 7:40 pm

      What a moment. Mrs. Giffords came back to vote and she voted yes. What a moment. ABC news broke in to the show I was watching to show that moment when Mrs. Giffords showed up. All I can say is WOW!!!!!I know it touched those with a heart. I’m sure it didn’t touch those Tea Party folks. They have no heart.

    • 193 Keith in C-bus, Ohio
      August 1, 2011 at 7:58 pm


  38. 194 utaustinliberal
    August 1, 2011 at 7:06 pm

    Ok we have 251 votes. The debt ceiling just passed in the house. On to the senate.

  39. 195 Anonymous
    August 1, 2011 at 7:06 pm

    The deal just passed the House.

  40. 196 collegekay
    August 1, 2011 at 7:07 pm

    I wish the Senate would just vote tonight.

  41. 197 desertflower
    August 1, 2011 at 7:09 pm


    • 198 sam uk obama supporter
      August 1, 2011 at 7:15 pm

      So good that Rep Giffords is back and I am pleased that this has passed in the house of representatives. Well worth staying up for. Will wait up to hear PBO’s address.

  42. August 1, 2011 at 7:09 pm

    Rusty opening up his big ass mouth.

  43. August 1, 2011 at 7:11 pm

    Good to see it´s past the House now, Senate tomorrow I take it? Anyways, time difference just one, it´s 1.11 am here and I´ll check for news in the morning. Night everyone.

  44. 204 Me4obama
    August 1, 2011 at 7:11 pm

    I can’t stop crying for Gabby. This is a miracle.

  45. 207 utaustinliberal
    August 1, 2011 at 7:14 pm

    Ok so the official tally was 269 Yea 151 Nay. Anyhow the debt ceiling bill still passed. Onward to the senate.

    • 208 utaustinliberal
      August 1, 2011 at 7:17 pm

      oops sorry its 261 Yea 161 Nay.

    • 209 COS
      August 1, 2011 at 7:17 pm

      I saw something from The Hill earlier saying that the Senate felt that they had at least 60 votes.

    • 210 StR
      August 1, 2011 at 7:19 pm

      Dems voted 96 yea and 96 nay,

    • 211 DTTM
      August 1, 2011 at 7:24 pm

      Gabby! She has PBO’s back, as does Nancy P. One of my favorite things about PBO is that his core inside advisory group are strong, strong women. All of his life, women have guided his way.

      And Nate Silver scares me. He predicted 268 “yays”. Love him or leave him, Nate gets the numbers right.

  46. 214 StR
    August 1, 2011 at 7:18 pm

    Of note, Gabby voted for the deal. Countdown to crass attacks by the nutroots. Truth be told they hated her guts until the moment she was shot.

    • 215 hopefruit2
      August 1, 2011 at 7:23 pm

      Yes. In fact there was an anti-Giffords diary on Old Orange with some hyperbolic language about her being “dead” to the diarist. That diary was posted about 1-2 days before the shooting incident. Giffords was considered to be one of the much-maligned “Blue Dog” contingent.

    • August 1, 2011 at 7:48 pm

      Saw a couple of those at TPM.

  47. August 1, 2011 at 7:20 pm

    Tweety and guests giving kudos to Turtle. Saying he was the winner. Idiots. 😆

    • August 1, 2011 at 7:23 pm

      sorry, that was supposed to be 🙄 ……… Grrrrr 😕

    • 219 Sue in Minnesota
      August 1, 2011 at 7:25 pm

      I suppose they feel like they have to placate him from putting down the economic gun he was holding to America’s head.

      Personally I think it is wrong.

    • 220 Me4obama
      August 1, 2011 at 7:26 pm

      Lisa I had to turn them off. That bastard Fineman is so predictable.

    • 221 Sue in Minnesota
      August 1, 2011 at 7:28 pm

      Lisa, how did he rationalize that 😯

      • August 1, 2011 at 7:34 pm

        they said Turtle is positioning himself for majority loeadership next year. They think that bc he stuck with this deal, he gets to say that he was reasonable and doesn’t get blamed for the mess that was the debt ceiling. they were saying Turtle covered PBO’s but, which is ironic-according to Tweety- bc Turtle has always wanted to end PBO’s presidency. But Fineman said that Turtle did this deal bc he is setting up PBO for a fall. Fineman was like: PBO was weak, blah, blah, blah…….fuck you Fineman. You low down dirty shitfaced fucker. 😡

        • 223 Sue in Minnesota
          August 1, 2011 at 7:42 pm

          Fineman can suck on this. I suspect he is in cohoots with McConnell. He used to work for a paper in Kentucky, which he likes to laud, and he always takes about his contacts in the Republican party with such self satisfied smugness. Lisa he is as you say.

          Majority leadership? WTF I Iknow it is alway at risk…but do you think we are going to lose the Senate? I confess I am feeling very aggressive, I hope that ass McConnell chokes on his ugly wadle.

          • August 1, 2011 at 7:53 pm

            We could lose the Senate and I wish the left would focus on that instead of “organizing” to primary Obama withe Hillary or Nader’s coalition. I swear I just want to shake those fools. This is why its so easy to apply 11 D chess to these people. They RARELY EVER have their eyes on the right target and get whopped in the head every time.

            • 225 COS
              August 1, 2011 at 8:01 pm

              What these folks don’t realize is that, loss of the senate and the house is not going to do anyone any good unless they are a skilled negotiator like PBO and is willing to compromise. They are willing to cut off their noses to spite their faces.

        • 226 tally
          August 1, 2011 at 7:43 pm

          Majority. HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

        • 227 Sue in Minnesota
          August 1, 2011 at 7:54 pm

          That reasonable is extracted from a manufactured crisis that dragged on for weeks and was taken up to the deadline at the expense of the nations sense of security…they terrorized not only the country but the world. They have shown themselves to be hypocrites and contrarians
          and if we are honest, racists. How the hell does anyone with a working brain equate that with being a winner? These MSM politicos are nothing more than circus barkers, of the freak show variety. 👿

    • 228 hopefruit2
      August 1, 2011 at 7:29 pm

      Yes, they are SPINNING big time…that’s the best they can do to avoid having the egg on their faces.

      A guest on Tweety’s show claimed that McConnell was “doing PBO a favor.” PUHLEASE! Since when? If McConnell could impeach PBO tomorrow, he would. Why would he be doing him any favors when this whole crisis was designed to tear him down in the first place?

      More likely, what happened is that the Republicans (including the MSM) did not expect that the people would actually respond to PBO’s advice to contact congress. They thought they could get away with largely the same approach as they did during the HCR debates, with people disengaged and gullibly believing their silly talking points. But this time, people actually listened to the President over ANY OTHER MSM or PL pundit, or GOP congressperson. And the GOP has not looked good throughout this entire process. Sure the President may have dropped a few percentage points in the polls, but he can easily recover from this and is still head and shoulders higher that any of the GOP politicians.

  48. 230 tally
    August 1, 2011 at 7:28 pm

    A treat from Sue for all the Ladies – to celebrate with:

    • 231 Walking_on_ Sunshine
      August 1, 2011 at 8:42 pm

      Why! Thank you Tally! Just what a girl needs after a day at the office! 😉

      I’m hot flushing again!!!

  49. 232 utaustinliberal
    August 1, 2011 at 7:35 pm

    Ok Heads up guys: Harry Reid says that the senate will vote on the debt ceiling bill tomorrow at 12PM ET. So let’s cross our fingers and hope it goes through. The house of reps is now officially on August recess after the teabaggers held the economy hostage for three months. Crazy loons!

  50. 233 DTTM
    August 1, 2011 at 7:36 pm

    I am doing this from memory, but only 38-40 Dems voted no or not present. I guess we lost the base. Irony intended.

    Senate vote noon tomorrow. No worries.

  51. August 1, 2011 at 7:43 pm

    DWS schooling Tweety. She and Gabby voted yea for the bill.

    • 236 Sue in Minnesota
      August 1, 2011 at 8:01 pm

      I hope she hands him his lunchbox. (I don’t really know what that means, my dad used to say it, and I think it wasn’t nice 😀

      I saw her debate in the house…we are truly lucky to have that little dynamo in a leadership position. Oh that’s right her a Gabby are dear, dear friends. I celebrate these strong and capable women, we need more of them to infiltrate both bodies of Congress.

  52. 237 Me4obama
    August 1, 2011 at 7:43 pm

    Well I must say that LOD aka Lisa and tally’s baby daddy was all along wrong with PBO intentions regarding the Debt Ceiling. I can’t wait to see how he spins it, he might go for the attack to cover his ass 😆 😆 😆

    • 238 Me4obama
      August 1, 2011 at 7:46 pm

      Sorry for my typos I meant “wrong regarding PBO’s intentions”.

    • August 1, 2011 at 7:53 pm

      Well, actually, *I* was the first to claim LOD as my “babydaddy.” :mrgreen:

      I am looking forward to what he’s gonna say tonight. 😳 😐

      Should be veddy, veddy interesting. God knows this has been a hot fucking mess from start to finish.

      • 241 Me4obama
        August 1, 2011 at 7:57 pm

        Sorry PJ, your Babydaddy has a lot of explaining to do, he went into PBO’s head and thinking on his own peril and it has backfired big time”. Can’t wait to see what he has to say.

        • August 1, 2011 at 8:00 pm

          Yeah, he got ahead of himself…. Larry sure got some ‘splaining to do…in 5….4…..3…..2…..1……

          • August 1, 2011 at 8:01 pm

            Oh, lawd……. he’s trippin’ 👿

          • 244 Sue in Minnesota
            August 1, 2011 at 8:08 pm

            I think he wasn’t off my much. I think he limited President Obama to a plan. I think our Jedi Warrior is always thinking on his feet, constantly surveying the situation, and not bound to a plan per see, and quick to bust a move when he sees an opening.

            We can’t be too hard on LOD……he has relationships here, many, many ladies in waiting…I forget who all is fighting over him 😀

            • August 1, 2011 at 8:18 pm

              LOL….it is what it is….LOD wasn’t tooooo bad—I think he’s a true PBO fan, so he’s very disappointed and distressed at what he sees, particularly the horrors of the teabaggers. I even enjoyed Barney Frank’s appearance. Sigh — seems there will be no rest for the weary now through November 2012.

              • 246 Sue in Minnesota
                August 1, 2011 at 9:22 pm

                A large part of his skit tonight is to save his face…….he pumped alot of energy into defending President Obama…he just got a little ahead of himself thinking they were sharing the same brain. We don’t have all that much we can count on….The Good Rev Al and LOD that is about it for network media.

                I think alot of these men want to think they can compete with President Obama on every level……what are they smoking? 😀

  53. 247 utaustinliberal
    August 1, 2011 at 7:48 pm

    My goodness Howard Fineman needs to STFU and Chris Matthews’s fawning over his “brilliance” is nauseating. Fineman keeps saying PBO has no legislative experience and that’s why he caved. That he didn’t even participate much in the Illinois senate – which is a big fucking lie – and that he was only in the senate long enough to get himself some coffee. Fucking twerp. PBO worked with Dick Lugar to pass a nuclear disarmament treaty. That was a BFD and more than just lollygagging and sipping coffee. He’s so uneducated. He needs to read Deaniac’s piece and the White House fact sheet before he opens his empty barrel.

    Now DWS is on and she is FAN-FUCKING-TASTIC. She is PRAISING President Obama for the GREAT job he did. He saved SS, Medicare, Pell Grants, and Medicaid and didn’t allow the country to default. She called Boehner out. Saying he caved to the teaparty freshmen. He and Cantor walked out on the President after they weren’t brave enough to commit to the big grand bargain President Obama was ready to forge. She’s AMAZING! Must send her a thank you tweet. So glad she’s chair of the DNC.

    • 248 hopefruit2
      August 1, 2011 at 8:01 pm

      Chris Matthews is now on his anti-Obama mood swing. It’s interesting that he didn’t spend a single minute discussing the implications for the Repubs (which are largely negative) but brought his friend Fineman to reinforce his BS about what the President couldda shouldda wouldda but didn’t do.

    • August 1, 2011 at 8:02 pm

      FUCK FINEMAN – He’s a straight up hack. THIS isn’t Obama first bill. He’s racked up historic legislation since he took. Much more meaningful than this.

    • 250 Keith in C-bus, Ohio
      August 1, 2011 at 8:03 pm

      She and the DNC will be a FORCE the reckon with in 2012!! 🙂

    • 251 Sue in Minnesota
      August 1, 2011 at 8:30 pm

      That is a huge fucking lie with respect to the Illinois state senate. So he wasn’t long in the Senate….you wanted to tell him if and when he could run. He ran when he knew it was the right time….

      But so what jerk….he is President, and an exceptional one at that. And he has broken all the molds, and you can’t figure him out because he doesn’t answer to your expectations, your demands or the status quo. He threatens your analytical skills because you refuse to let go of your preconceived notions and expectations. You can’t read him, you’re frustrated, so your try to baffle us with your bullshit. I am baffled alright as to how MSNBC can justify giving you a pay check for the no nothing expertise you think you provide.

      Howard Fineman is overcompensating for something…not sure what.

      I think alot of this has to do with unwritten rules…..President Obama continually defies their unwritten rules…they want to control him, they can’t. The pecking order has been ignored.

  54. 252 Me4obama
    August 1, 2011 at 8:02 pm

    I knew LOD will attack the President. Sorry am not watching him. He is trying to cover his sorry ass for the LIES he has been spewing.

    • August 1, 2011 at 8:33 pm

      I remembered how wrong he was on the healthcare bill and did not trust his judgement in this debate. So I stopped watching him earlier on. He has proven that he sometimes speaks hot air and is probably embarrassed so he will spew stuff to cover himself.

    • 254 Sue in Minnesota
      August 1, 2011 at 9:33 pm

      It just dawned on me …these politcos aren’t talking to us, they are talking to each other, and they are firmly entrenched in their rich white and connected mens club. They are probably thinking they are clever by half as they think they have convinced us that we, out in America matter. That we somehow think we are included in the conversation.

      I am done. I don’t need them to tell me what to see or think. I can see for myself.

  55. August 1, 2011 at 8:02 pm

    I wonder what all these people would do if PBO wasn’t there to protect us. It’s amazing to watch them opening up their fool mouths talking about PBO this, PBO that, let’s primary him…… blah, blah, blah. 🙄 I almost feel sorry for them come 2016. PBO is basically the only thing standing between us and demise. These people are so sick and stupid. Let them continue to bite the hands that feed them. They’ll soon see. Love how they’ve abdicated their duties and now believe that PBO is a monarch not a president. Don’t they realize that they have to do work? No…. leave it to the black man to do all the work in the hot sun and then stand in the shade and tell him he’s doing it all wrong. Fucker 😡
    ps- Lawry decides to turn on PBO by saying PBO blinked. Why am I not surprised? 🙄

    • 256 hopefruit2
      August 1, 2011 at 8:06 pm

      The pundits need to explain why 65 house GOPS voted “no” if this was such a Republican jackpot?? I mean wouldn’t they want to vote “yes” to please their Repub and Teabag constituents? Fineman and Tweety say that the Teaparty had the most power in this negotiation. Then why are the Tea partiers so upset? Why did the Teaparty house reps vote “no” for this bill.

    • 257 Keith in C-bus, Ohio
      August 1, 2011 at 9:55 pm

      Lisa why I are you surprised? I told ya’ll this would happen. As soon as the debt crisis was over, which ever way it went, LOD would be back to his KO, Madcow, Bill Mahr, Ed Shultz self. C’mon people why do you all keep falling for these PUNDIT traps. They real you folks in like a puppet master. Where is Tally and all the other GIRLS who fawning over Larry over the past two weeks? Do they still find him attractive now.

      I told ya’ll…………………………………………………………..

  56. 258 hopefruit2
    August 1, 2011 at 8:03 pm

    Now Larry is claiming that the President blinked. More of the same BS and it’s so predictable.

    President Obama did not blink – he advised congress to come up with a compromise and they did. If this was such a GOP bonanza as Fineman, Tweety, LOD and the PL are claiming, then WHY did 65 GOP’s vote “no?” They would have been thrilled to vote “yes” and have their names attached to it – wouldn’t they?

    • 259 Me4obama
      August 1, 2011 at 8:10 pm

      He has been lying to his audience and he tried to go into PBO’s thinking as if he knew him well. LOD,come clean and admit the president Played you and the Teabaggers and called your BLUFF.

    • August 1, 2011 at 8:10 pm

      Again, it’s been proven that NONE of these pundits—with the possible exception of Rev. Al—are our friends. They are 1) self-centered, thinking that they have the answers to everything (yet they never actually run for office to put their policies into effect), 2) much richer than any of us will ever be, so all this is a game to them, and 3) paid to stoke outrage and drive viewership. I admit, I watched LOD on and off during this debacle, and loved how he tore into the GOP. But, deep down I knew that if PBO didn’t do things exactly as LOD desired he would turn on the President in a New York minute. And he has. QED.

      • 261 Me4obama
        August 1, 2011 at 8:16 pm

        Amen LL, he turned on PBO when he didn’t do exactly what LOD and his imaginary friend in his head told him to do.

    • 262 nospin
      August 1, 2011 at 8:28 pm

      I always knew LO was full of it. Simply based on his assessment and his behavior during the Healthcare debacle. LO was loud and wrong then and my I figured he would be loud and wrong now. Especially when he insinuated that the President was not remotely interested in deficit reduction.

    • 263 Keith in C-bus, Ohio
      August 1, 2011 at 9:57 pm

      Its called covering you ass. He made the wrong call. C’mon we are all political astute supportes. Lets stop with all the shock and dismay. LOD is doing what he is payed to do and that is keep ratings at a sustainable level. HONESLTY GUYS! 😉

  57. 264 lmrj
    August 1, 2011 at 8:09 pm

    SOMEBODY….. ANYBODY PLEASE TWEET FINEMAN!!!!! Not that it will do any good, because his dye is cast with the teapublicans, but he needs to be shouted down some and maybe he will shut up for just a minute.

    • 265 ChristiMtl
      August 1, 2011 at 8:17 pm

      I can’t stand this POS, I jumped on my chair when I heard him say: Barack Obama only had a cup of coffee in the Senate before running ”

      Only had a cup of coffee? I was livid when he was talking.

      • 266 Sue in Minnesota
        August 1, 2011 at 9:44 pm

        So what he beat them….he beat the Clinton machine, the Republican party of infinite wealth and power. And he has continued to beat them silly……despite having to clean up their catastrophic messes, and a few of mother natures as well. Despite obstruction, MSM propoganda and a level of disrespect and blatant racism that is unprecedented. They are trying so hard to put some tarnish on his brilliance. It’s really obvious to me who the real losers are….they are sadly pathetic and desperate to me.

  58. August 1, 2011 at 8:11 pm

    LOD is peeved because he was wrong about what the President wanted. I turned him off after a couple of mins.

    • 268 lmrj
      August 1, 2011 at 8:15 pm

      LOD needs a few tweets as well. Wish I knew how!

    • August 1, 2011 at 8:25 pm

      Yeah. He was so darn sure that the president was bluffing, literally calling the president a liar. I wrote him back then telling him that as much as I appreciated him calling out the Republicans, I thought he was wrong for insinuating that the president was not serious about the grand bargain.

      Having stuck his neck out because he knew what he thought was in the President’s head, to save face, he has to go this route.

      This reminds me all over again about the oil spill? Remember anyone? There was not a single newstainer that spoke in this president’s behalf.

      They are just so freaking predictable.

  59. 270 Linda
    August 1, 2011 at 8:12 pm

    “The Republican Party today, announced that it’s changing its emblem to a CONDOM, because it more accurately reflects the party’s political stance. A condom allows for inflation, halts production­, destroys the next generation­, protects a bunch of dicks, and gives you a sense of security while you’re being screwed

  60. August 1, 2011 at 8:16 pm

    Oh Gawd!! Not Bill Maher. Notice that whenever Lawrence wants to cover his ass from speaking his mind,he uses Bill Maher as a mouthpiece. Tweeterati please!

  61. 281 nospin
    August 1, 2011 at 8:19 pm

    Send some appreciation to PO. I am sure he could use it.


    • 282 EDP4BHO
      August 1, 2011 at 8:36 pm

      I just sent my kudos, reading:

      Dear Mr. President,
      With seemingly the entire nation turning on you upon your decision on the debt ceiling controversy, please be assured that millions of your supporters are still fervently behind you and we appreciate that what you’ve decided is for the better of us all. I need for you to know this, and there are some of us who do “get it”. You are a brave man and I’m all the way for 2012. You can take that to the bank. Peace, Sir.

  62. 283 carolyn
    August 1, 2011 at 8:19 pm

    Once this mess is behind us, and it looks like in 24 hours it will be, the President will pivot to jobs and growing the economy. Did anyone else hear him say that last night? He mentioned money for medical research and education and jobs. I think one of the best things in this bill is that the 2012 budget is passed! We will not have to go through that nightmare in September or October. I think there are some very careless readers of the actual legislation talking very loud. Deaniac explained it so clearly.
    Scott Pelley interviewed VP Joe Biden on his show tonight. I got in at the end. Biden was clear and forceful. He very nicely put Pelley back on his heels….Pelley said “You came up to the hill today to twist some arms….” Biden said, “No, I came up to listen. People were angry, and needed to vent, and that’s the job of the Prez and VP, to listen.” Pelley asked him if in his 36 years in the Senate he had ever seen this situation, he said no. He said that those tea party people who came to D.C. to block everythintg, and were “my way or the highway” were going to have to learn that is not how you govern. Implied was they either better learn or get out of the way. We have to work so those people are NOT elected again. I would love to see EVERY tea party rep defeated. That would be healthy for the entire country.

  63. 284 joyce
    August 1, 2011 at 8:23 pm

    When I heard his opening statement I turned him off LOD.

  64. 285 Linda
    August 1, 2011 at 8:23 pm

    We have no voice in the media…..Just screamers on the rabid right and whiners on the far left.

    • 286 Sue in Minnesota
      August 1, 2011 at 8:50 pm

      But we do have voices in the “alternate media”
      My fantasy is that we organize 1 or 2 million Americans disgruntled with the MSM, aggregate our sources for reliable information, and balanced discussion, and once we are organized on the same day pull the plug on corporate MSM. I really believe they pump toxicity and misinformation into the mainstream of America. They are a cancer on our Democracy.

  65. 287 Janelle
    August 1, 2011 at 8:25 pm

    I cut my TV off when Richard Wolfe said that PBO will be going through this again in two months with the budget and the tea terrorists will want more and he’ll just give them more of what they want. However, in the below link apparently the President thought of this already:

    “The 2012 budget: At one point in the negotiations, the 2012 budget was to be slashed by $36 billion. The final number of cuts: just $7 billion. And just to ensure we don’t have another bruising government shutdown fight over cuts in September, the deal deems and passes the 2012 budget. Yes, that’s right, the old Gephardt Rule or Slaughter Solution, is back. What’s deem and pass? It’s a legislative trick that essentially means that Congress will consider the budget passed without ever actually having to vote on it.
    The 2012 budget: At one point in the negotiations, the 2012 budget was to be slashed by $36 billion. The final number of cuts: just $7 billion. And just to ensure we don’t have another bruising government shutdown fight over cuts in September, the deal deems and passes the 2012 budget. Yes, that’s right, the old Gephardt Rule or Slaughter Solution, is back. What’s deem and pass? It’s a legislative trick that essentially means that Congress will consider the budget passed without ever actually having to vote on it.”

    Read more: http://swampland.time.com/2011/08/01/five-things-for-liberals-to-like-in-the-debt-ceiling-deal/#ixzz1TpHWcQhR

    I’m not sure I understand “deem and Pass” but it’s obvious that the pundits were given their talking points before they read the bill in order to bring the President’s poll numbers down, as per the demand of the corporate masters. My TV will be tuned away from politics since all the networks have been given their marching orders.

    • 288 Janelle
      August 1, 2011 at 8:29 pm

      Sorry for the triple post…..yikes…I’ll spin it like LOD would—I put it in 3 times for emphasis.

      • 289 utaustinliberal
        August 1, 2011 at 8:33 pm

        Hahaha Janelle. Thanks for this. I’m going to tweet it those fickle supporters of PBO, the PL and the lying media.

    • 290 hopefruit2
      August 1, 2011 at 8:38 pm

      These pundits seem unable or unwilling to acknowledge that there is no smarter politician than Barack Obama – and from his vantage point, their punditry is shallow and unconvincing. They frequently peddle false or misleading information, deliberately or otherwise, and are simply not held accountable for continually having to revise their “mistakes.”

      I truly believe that many of these pundits simply are lost as to what the President really got from these negotiations because he thinks more deeply than any of them could hope to. People often try to ridicule what they don’t understand. The fact that 65 house Repubs voted against this bill tells me that this wasn’t at all the Repub giveaway that these pundits are claiming. In fact they may know that fully well, but were probably banking on the President truly capitulating which he didn’t.

  66. August 1, 2011 at 8:25 pm

    Come on guys, says the non-tweeter, tweet both their asses, high and dry!

  67. August 1, 2011 at 8:27 pm

    This is why I decided to divorce myself from the punditry for a while……..I refuse to let them get into my head.

    From what everyone is posting instead of taking it to the nutters they go after their favorite punching bag (PBO).

  68. August 1, 2011 at 8:28 pm

    I’d wager that Larry will be on the Morning Joke show tomorrow to look for more ways to save face. I don’t watch that show, but something tells me he will be there.

    Go figure.

  69. August 1, 2011 at 8:30 pm

    And for those of you who watch Jon Stewart, I can only imagine.

  70. 302 ChristiMtl
    August 1, 2011 at 8:32 pm

    Hey guys, is it true that Rev. Al will be hosting Ed show??

    Anybody knows?

    • 303 utaustinliberal
      August 1, 2011 at 8:36 pm

      Hey Christi, Rev Al will be a guest on Ed’s show tonight.

      ps: I saw your tweets to various media folks calling them out on their lies and demanding truth. You are on fire sistah! So happy that you are a HUGE supporter of PBO here on TOD and twitter. It’s such a pleasure anytime I see your tweets defending PBO. You are one of a kind. 😀

      • 304 nospin
        August 1, 2011 at 8:39 pm

        I guess Ed needs a boost in his viewership. Wouldn’t it be funny if there is a substantial uptick in viewers just for the Reverend’s segment and a drop in the remaining ones? That would be very amusing and would send a message.

      • 306 ChristiMtl
        August 1, 2011 at 8:44 pm

        hey thanks Ut, I learned from the expert , you!!!! I’m your biggest fan.

        You’re fantastic on twitter, and here,your long comments, recaps, just blow my mind.

        If English wasn’t my second language, I would write and write such long comments in here that Chips would kick me out, go write a novel lol.

        But it’s difficult for me, I always have to check a few spellings if it’s too long.

        My head is spinning. so much going on.
        All that and doing my day job for the office, multitasking expert!

        No wonder I’m exhausted when I hit my pillow…zzzzzz

        I will do anything I can for President Obama, my inspiration.

  71. 307 nospin
    August 1, 2011 at 8:36 pm

    Poor msm. President Obama burned all previous playbooks and has created his own. They don’t know what to do because they are always 12 steps behind the President. They couldn’t keep up with then Senator Obama as he was running for the Presidency, all their punditry was flat wrong and now as President, they still can’t catch a clue. PO has rendered the establishment, msm and pundits useless and obsolete. They are so incapable of understanding someone who is more interested in governing vs. playing politics.

    The man is brilliant. Brilliant. I can only imagine what will be written in the history books about our President.

    Go Obama/Biden 2012

    • 308 hopefruit2
      August 1, 2011 at 8:41 pm

      That is correct nospin. The punditry simply do not know what to make of this President – so they react by lashing out and resorting to anti-Obama talking points – instead of admitting that they simply cannot keep up with his thinking.

  72. August 1, 2011 at 8:37 pm

    So once again PBO saves the country and he’s trashed …….oh well hey everyone what did we expect.

    I guess a President getting impeached for lying about BJ is more to their definition of statesman.

    LOL…..hey I have to say that last line was quite clever I think I will tweet that to Fineman, LO, and Mathews.

  73. 314 hopefruit2
    August 1, 2011 at 8:45 pm

    Larry O’Donnell is not being honest about what the country wanted. The voters NEVER said that they wanted a clean debt ceiling – they ALWAYS said that they wanted a “balanced approach” towards solving the deficit problem, consisting of cuts and revenues. Obama has not given up on letting the Bush tax cuts expire – that’s still in the works for 2012.

    • August 1, 2011 at 8:53 pm

      Can someone who tweets, tweet Larry and set him straight on this. He, Larry thought the president wanted a clean bill but was bluffing. He was WRONG. Now he just needs to admit to it and stop his fibbing. There are videos to prove this.

      I sure wish we do come together and come up with that Channell DF suggested. We have to call these people out.

      • August 1, 2011 at 9:06 pm

        Seem to me O’Donnell was the one telling us what the President wanted, what he was doing. Even tough he had not talk to the President one second.

      • 317 desertflower
        August 1, 2011 at 9:49 pm

        thanks africa…can we get some topics going to set the record straight…I have no idea about the tech aspects of doing this, but Chips has a channel, so maybe we can get some advice and guidance on the “how to’s” of getting this thought off the ground:) I’d really like this idea to take root and flourish..unless anyone can think of a better idea on how we can get the word out to a broader audience and take these RW talking points apart with reason and FACTS, and also expound on the realities of policy and the like…THIS would be the perfect thing to talk about and clear up for everyone:)
        Chips, if you’re reading this…any guidance or suggestions???? We need to circumvent the MSM…..and the rest.

    • 318 EDP4BHO
      August 1, 2011 at 9:16 pm

      Hahahaha….I have to laugh at LOD. He is good for theater, and political breakdown, but he could have won the Oscar for his portrayal of PBO’s game plan. He was dramatic for nights on end about how PBO was bluffing, virtually had the rethugs by their thumbs, etc. (my words, not his). All for the glory of LOD. I mean, each one of these cable personalities must go through some sort of acting school because notice they each have such strong personnas with the accompanying scenery of props, charts, memes and guests to cement their memes. It is frankly ALL ABOUT THEM. Not us, not the President, and certainly not the country. It’s about “how can I mark my territory” so I can be remembered? I have given up affording them any credibility. From now on I will only listen to Randi Rhodes and Rev Al Sharpton, who neither agree with PBO 100% of the time (had to qualify that in case they and I are accused of being Obots), but who very much support and respect him as a smart and resilient leader.

    • August 1, 2011 at 9:25 pm

      The American people just wanted to avoid a default. that’s all they wanted to hear. now they can exhale and go back to watching their reality shows.

      not that I’m above watching reality shows.

  74. 320 ChristiMtl
    August 1, 2011 at 8:48 pm

    Bill Maher just tweeted that:

    billmaher Bill Maher
    Can’t get with media swoon over Gabby Gifford return to congress,a body that didn’t have the balls to outlaw machine guns on streets of USA


  75. August 1, 2011 at 8:54 pm

    The PL elite is still waiting for the Black Shaft to show up clad in leather…sorry the Harvard law professor was elected POTUS.

  76. 329 lmrj
    August 1, 2011 at 8:55 pm

    Smug F*****. He has no balls. That was a pretty cheap shot!

  77. 330 Sue in Minnesota
    August 1, 2011 at 8:58 pm

    I agree with Maher here. The House is full of hypocrites. The tea party rhetoric and in general the rights extreme disrespect for others rights and veiwpoints set a bad tone early on, with their hateful diva leading the charge. A more meaningful and honest way to stand up for Gabby Giffords would be to enact corrective and productive gun legislation. But the cowards gotta have their guns because they are afraid of everything, especially the government.

    • 331 EDP4BHO
      August 1, 2011 at 9:18 pm

      Here’s hoping you only agree with him in principal but would reject his tone and disrespectful words in the face of such a personal tragedy, Sue.

      • 332 Sue in Minnesota
        August 2, 2011 at 12:50 am

        I’ll reread it. I did reread it. Gabby Giffords return to the House was cause for great celebration, not just for the body but for the entire nation. It was rousing and spontaneous, it opened a new chapter and closed a painful chapter, and acknowleged the remarkable grit, determination and spirit that is Gabby Gifford. I cried, I’m sure millions were moved to tears, and inspired by her courage and fortitude.

        But what I think would have been most supportive and meaningful in the name of those that have endured this tragedy and the suffering would have been for the legislative body to have made meaningful corrections and changes to our gun laws. They were not invested in that, which in my mind cheapens their regard for those who suffered because of this tragedy. I am really focused on what wasn’t done despite cause that brought the problem to the forefront in such a terrible and inescapable way.

        I am having difficulty understanding my disconnect to his remark.. I apologize if I have offended anyone here…that would never be my intention. I think Maher is a jerk, and as a recent article stated a star fucker.

        • 333 Tally
          August 2, 2011 at 1:03 am

          I have to agree with Sue on this.

          And more importantly, and to be fair, how can you judge the “tone” of a tweet (like that)? Just becaue it’s from Maher and you don’t like him? He’s not Rush, and has done some good. I never agree all the time with anyone on this Earth, and I’m not about to start judging people on that basis now.

          I read it the same as Sue did. The BODY in question being Congress, who are just as much of a target as Gabby is (as the rest of us are) and should all grow a collective VAGINA nad pass some meaningful gun legislation -and stop taking the damn NRA’s blood money.

          Seriously, when it takes more ID and databases to drive a car or use a credit card than it does to buy guns and ammo – WHAT. THE. FUCKING. FUCK!!!

          Please guys – let’s not turn on each other here, or have purity tests for each other. No more of these “I hope you……x+y+z” that’s BS. We’re family. We’re allowed to have our own opinions, not “fall in line or else.”

          I’m not going to stop watching Jon Stewart to please anyone here. I’ll stop watching him when I choose to, and not before.

          I know it’s been a tense two weeks, but please, let’s not start jumping each other’s shit for petty bullshit reasons. There’s enough of that going on over at BWD right now.

          Besides…… I FUCKING LOVE YOU GUYS!!!! AND YOU CAN’T STOP ME!!!! SO THERE!!!!


  78. 334 Ladyhawke
    August 1, 2011 at 9:19 pm

    This is how pathetic CNN has become. This is really embarrassing.

    Joe Klein on CNN.

    Right now, as I write this, CNN is interviewing Donald Trump about the debt ceiling deal. This is the same dude who pulled everyone’s chain last spring, “running” for President to boost his reality-show’s rating, by saying some of the most outlandish stuff imaginable about the President. And CNN is consulting him as someone who might have an opinion of value about our current political and economic situation? Don’t they have any standards at all over in that corner of Time Warner? I mean the anchor was just saying to Richard Quest what a “circus” this debt ceiling situation was…and then she’s interviewing Donald Trump? I have muted the thing in order to retain my lunch.


    • August 1, 2011 at 9:22 pm

      Which is why ratings for all 3 cable news networks keep declining. They’re betting on American stupidity. Americans are getting fed up.

      • 336 utaustinliberal
        August 1, 2011 at 9:43 pm

        CNN should just give up the pretense and rename itself CNN: Fox News Lite. The sister station of Fox where we use reasonable sounding “experts” to lie, bash, and muddle the policies of President Obama. At this station we take an oath to always misrepresent President Obama and paint him a bad light. Hey! it’s just business.

        Freaking nutjobs.

    • August 1, 2011 at 9:23 pm

      The American press has gone mad. They don’t know how to take this man that is President Barack Hussein Obama. it woudl be comical if it wasn’t so, so sad.

      • 338 nospin
        August 1, 2011 at 9:40 pm

        Africa it is a thing of beauty. What is burning their britches is that PO asked the public in roughly three sentences to step up and make calls and MILLIONS responded to the call. Republicans, Democrats and Independents alike. Most folks disregard the media spin and watch the hearings of both House and Senate rather than to depend on the pundits. Because they know nothing.
        The msm is a joke and they deserve to be obsolete. Journalism in this country is unfortunately dead.

    • 339 Blue
      August 1, 2011 at 10:52 pm

      Until everybody boycott CNN, and don’t give them the ratings, they will get the message!

  79. 340 hopefruit2
    August 1, 2011 at 9:24 pm

    Here is a great article about the PL & MSM’s predictable characterization of the President in response to the debt ceiling negotiations


  80. 341 Ladyhawke
    August 1, 2011 at 9:33 pm

    One of the things I want to see from now on, is the Democrats making sure to publicize any votes they take so that the American people will know how their representatives are voting on important issues. For far too long, the Republicans have been making questionable and harmful votes without getting the attention they deserve. Sunlight is the best disinfectant and will be our best defense against the lazy media who shields the GOP from scrutiny. Votes should be publicized for all to see.

    For anyone interested, here is final roll call vote in the House of Representatives.


  81. 342 joyce
    August 1, 2011 at 9:49 pm

    I’ve always thought that he is his own person and will do things his way especially if he has the support he needs and the pl don’t know how to predict his actions which drives them crazy so they have to save face. After all most of them have been at this longer than he has and remember he was a community organizer. LOL

    • 343 nospin
      August 1, 2011 at 10:01 pm

      😀 Joyce Isnt that the truth. You last sentence says it all. too funny.

      Well PO has the last laugh. That community organizer is still running circles around them today.

  82. 344 Tally
    August 1, 2011 at 10:02 pm

    ok – just got home and am going through emails…. posts…etc…

    I have a question: Can Obama do some kind of a line-item veto of this bill and just sign the raise the debt ceiling part? Just curious. Not that he should – just curious.

    I still don’t trust McConnell not to filibuster this and force PBO to do some ninja-jedi something to raise the debt ceiling…. but – just wondering.

    I think the bill isn’t as bad as everyone is moaning it is, and it’s certainly the best one that been on the table so far…. and I don’t know what these talking heads, including one of my baby-daddies LOD talking abot no tax revenues when the frakkin outline states there will be at least three damn times! WHAT. THE. FUCK.???

    • 345 utaustinliberal
      August 1, 2011 at 10:08 pm

      Hey Tally, the line item veto was struck down as unconstiutional in a 1998 6-3 Supreme Court ruling in the Clinton v City of New York Case. So President Obama can’t use it because it doesn’t exist anymore.

      Here’s a link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line-item_veto

    • 346 nospin
      August 1, 2011 at 10:13 pm

      Tally – I don’t think he can do a line – item veto and not so sure there would be enough value in taking that approach based on what was said by Plouffe and PO — at this stage, raising the debt ceiling alone wouldn’t be enough.

      Agreed that the bill isn’t that bad. Meaning, nothing will go into effect until after 2013 anyway and so we have plenty of time to address our deficit issues in a more responsible way. Medicare, Medicaid and SS are protected and just like you I disregarded the term “tax revenues” because my gut says it was simply a matter of semantics. PO will allow the Bush tax cuts to expire, loopholes will be closed and they will be addressing the tax code issues. So to me that is a strong starting point to generate more revenues.

      and ahhh, maybe you want to go get your baby daddy (LO). Clearly he misses you, the heat may have gotten to him and I think he needs to lay down. Tell him to keep his head up and that tomorrow is a new day and I am confident he will have another fabricated crisis to gin up.

  83. 347 Ladyhawke
    August 1, 2011 at 10:05 pm

    So Tweety and Howard Fineman think that Mitch McConnell won. As far as I am concerned, Mitch McConnell is a snake. He is dishonest and for him politics is bloodsport. He has no shame. He is vowing to take the country hostage again. Hostage taking is clearly not an acceptable form of governing. I wonder how Tweety and Fineman feel about fluffing up McConnell as the winner of this manufactured crisis. Shame on them.

    Mitch McConnell Vows To Hold Debt Ceiling Hostage In The Future: ‘We’ll Be Doing It All Over’

    This afternoon, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) confirmed this fear when he told Fox News’ Neil Cavuto that Republicans will hold the debt ceiling hostage in the future, saying this debate “set the template for the future”:

    MCCONNELL: It set the template for the future. In the future, Neil, no president — in the near future, maybe in the distant future — is going to be able to get the debt ceiling increased without a re-ignition of the same discussion of how do we cut spending and get America headed in the right direction. I expect the next president, whoever that is, is going to be asking us to raise the debt ceiling again in 2013, so we’ll be doing it all over.


    Just imagine the campaign ads the Democrats will be able to produce with this little tidbit. The ads just write themselves. I don’t know how anyone in their right mind would want to ever vote for a Republican again.

    • 348 57andFemale
      August 1, 2011 at 11:16 pm

      I was afraid of the precedent set by attaching serious conditions to the debt ceiling. McConnell’s right — the genie will never go back in the bottle.

  84. 349 Keith in C-bus, Ohio
    August 1, 2011 at 10:09 pm

    🙄 You ladies give these pundits to much POWER. Why do you seek them for Obama validation? When you all are on here and BDW and OFA whinning about the talking heads and pundits disrespecting PBO it infuriates me. NEWSFLASH you are a part of the PROBLEM cause you keep watching and they keep getting richer and LOUDER. GEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEFFUUSAGLSHA{:HF{AHFA{ADHDSAOHSHDFASA………………………. 😡

    • August 1, 2011 at 11:15 pm

      Hear,hear Keith. Every post is about what the Pl /msm/ repugs said,or, can you imagine what they will say etc. I put it to you we know what they will say because they say it every day. Please,folks, let’s simply discuss without bringing them up. We really do have more substantive conversations withou treferring to ‘them’. Let’s focus on what we are going to do, and what we are bringing to the table. Hey desertflower, time to start working on your fab idea.

  85. 351 Kasai
    August 1, 2011 at 10:09 pm

    Obama administration sues to block Alabama immigration law
    WASHINGTON | Mon Aug 1, 2011 7:48pm EDT

    (Reuters) – The Obama administration on Monday sued to block enforcement of Alabama’s new immigration law, widely considered to be the toughest measure in the United States to try to crack down on illegal immigrants.


  86. 352 Keith in C-bus, Ohio
    August 1, 2011 at 10:10 pm

    There are millions that love PBO and could give a rats ass about KO or LOD or Madcow. C’mon PEOPLE!!

  87. 356 Kasai
    August 1, 2011 at 10:10 pm

    PBO….always working behind the scenes…….May God Bless him!

  88. 357 Kasai
    August 1, 2011 at 10:13 pm

    When LO tweeted…Tell us what you think about the debt ceiling discussion, I fired my 2 tweets…lol

    My thought is.THE LAST WORD..Just became my LAST CHANNEL.No longer watched in my household, Until your reporting is consistent.

    LOL @TheLastWord.A bit upset that PBO didnt follow your script, U had me as viewer 4 little while, 2 bad it didn’t last long. Flips channel:-)

  89. 358 Keith in C-bus, Ohio
    August 1, 2011 at 10:20 pm

    SIGH!! 🙄

  90. 359 Tally
    August 1, 2011 at 10:20 pm

    I have to say….. a really good thing is the Bush tax cuts expiring when they do – Obama and the Dems can run on. And it will only work as a PROGRESSIVE PACKAGE DEAL which is what we should have sent to DC in Jan, 2009.

    The GOP/Tsps have given Obama & the Dems endless campaign material.

    And I disagree with LOD – The GOP will NOT always win when it comes to extending ALL of the Bush Tax Cuts. People are willing to GIVE to the country to GET back. I think if just that was voted on TODAY – ending ALL of the Bush Tax Cuts – a majority of Americans would vote yes.

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