AP: “We don’t have a deal.” That’s what a top White House official said about Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell’s claim that a bill to raise the debt ceiling is “very close.” Senior White House adviser David Plouffe told NBC’s Meet the Press that President Obama and the GOP are in general agreement on a package that would cut the deficit in two stages, but key details are still being worked out. Plouffe suggested that negotiations are still focused on how to get Congress to approve a deficit-cutting plan of tax and entitlement reform later this year.
Hello everyone. While I am not watching anything on tv, I’ve listened to radio, and it keeps being reported that a deal is near, and a big victory for rethugs as there are no closing of loopholes, and no raise in taxes. I will leave it to others here to fill me in. Sounds like premature reporting from the local news radio. Off to errands.
What is the Republicans winner of. Bring this country to the brink of disaster. Showing the country that they are willing to bring down this country. Is that winning? Regardless I’m going to trust President Obama to do the best for this country. I didn’t elect him cause he was black, or cause he was cute, or sexy, or had a nice smile, I elected him because I believe he will do what is best for this country. I’m not doubting him.
TPM has a break down of the deal. Just do not read the comments. It looks really workable. I am surprised the repugs went with it.
Of course who knows if they can get it through the house.
Watching the vote to break the filibuster. Bernie Sanders a “no”. I’m not at all religious, but GOOD GOD Sanders! Voting with the R’s not even to Begin a debate? Insane. The clock is ticking…
Bill, I hope you are right. I feel like I am near a nervous breakdown. The hatred of PBO on the internet has put me over the top. Even sites like Steven Benin and TPM are filled with haters who said they have given up. Good grief, nothing is settled.
teh “progressives” are nuts. They made up their minds before we have any idea as to what is actually going on.
These people are quick to blame President Obama but fail to take responsibility for not giving him a democratic Congress. Elections have consequences. Walking away from any deal will hurt everyone, not just Wall Street. They at least are not paycheck to paycheck.
Tracy, I do not believe that Obama would do anything to hurt the poor, disabled or middle class. This has to be a farce. Nobody wants to give him credit, well, we do, for being the ace that he is. So we have been able to get rid of The Reid Bill, now it is down to the final hour, so to speak. I truly believe Obama will use the 14th amendment. The bills will have all died–which is a good thing.
If PBO uses the 14th Amendment then he tanks his presidency, because it will end up throwing gasoline on the fire that is default, not to mention then the Teapugs will have ammo to throw impeachment charges against him with.
This 14th Amendment argument is one of the PL, which is why Jay Carney has said the admin has more or less ruled it out. We’ll probably have a last minute deal, just like from this spring with the impending government shutdown.
I do not know. It could be a matter of giving everything a chance and then if only the repugs are gaining, out of the bargain, I think he might feel he has to try it. I certainly have been wrong before, and you know that I adore PBO.
No, he’s not. It was on Thom Hartman’s show, I HEARD IT.
Bernie, in a fit of frustration, said something he shouldn’t have. He said, “Someone should primary Obama to MAKE HIM FIGHT HARDER.” But of course, the PL & ProKochs jumped on that, and everyone lost their fucking MINDS. (Including many Obama supporters.)
Bernie has SAID – he hs NO INTEREST in doing anything other than representing his peeps in Vermont. PERIOD. I’m sure he’s sorry he said it at this point. Bernie is one of the good guys, and is a bazillion times better than anyone on the right.
We need to stop allowing our hair to catch fire when you don’t hear/read things IN FUCKING CONTEXT. We become no better than the PL or the teafuckingspoons.
Bernie is on our side.
As for Jon Stewart. I’m not happy with how he’s been on Obama lately, but NO ONE has been RUTHLESSLY HAMMERING THE ClownCarCrazies® as much as he has these past two weeks. And that is a GOOD THING.
I know we’re all on edge – but everyone needs to take a fucking breath and CHILL THE FUCK OUT!
Bernie was a man I totally respected but lately he has let the hero worshipping he’s getting from the PL (who will elevate just about ANYONE in their bid to take down President Obama), go to his head!!!
Bernie Sanders has gotten carried away and has bought into the PL hype and unfortunately, Bernie has lost his fucking mind!!!
Again Tally, with regard to Jon Stewart: He is an ass hole period!!!
My enemy’s enemy, IS NOT necessarily my friend and this applies to Jon Stewart!!!
Jon Stewart might be doing a bit of what you might describe as “hammering” of SOME republicans, but Jon Stewart has been squarely focused on stripping President Obama of dignity, respect and credibility!!!
The “hammering” of “clowncarcrazies” is in my opinion a little break for Jon. The real focus of his disdain and denigration is and continues to be inexplicably, President Obama!!!
Jon Stewart IS an ass hole and not even his periodic pieces on the republicans will change that for me!!!
Agree about Jon Stewart—–way too full of himself lately, obnoxious, hateful, damaging. Can’t wait till he’s president and breezes thru all these negotiations with the crazies. He’s another one who thinks he knows better, could do better and he does not even begin to measure up to the man, Barack Obama, not even in the same ball park. And therein lies the probable explanation for all this overhyped animosity.
Bernie never pretended to be a Democrat. I believe he is a man of principle, and like all men completely capable of inartful words and a sense of frustration. I would much rather have Bernie Sanders putting pressure on the President than the Mo Fing Republicans. He at least pulls him in a more humane direction. Bernie cares about people, he does not worship at the altar of the almighty dollar. He knows there is no I , only we in the US of A.
I hope we are stroring our sense of calm…feels like it to me. What I need to do is pry myself away from the computer, I’ve been compelled to be here non-stop since yesterday as my other world awaits.
President Obama was born with a solid humane sensitivity gene firmly in place!!!
He needs no lectures from Bernie Sanders and especially since Bernie has joined up with the loud mouths who have done more damage to the President in his ability to rally support for what ironically, is mostly what they say is their cause!!!
A President is only as good and effective as the SUPPORT he has to move an agenda forward, and when his support is eaten away at by the very same people who then turn around and demand and blame him for not working miracles, it is galling!!!
Point well taken, Tally. I have nothing against Sanders. His independent voice is needed in the Democratic caucus to counter balance the blue to red dogs who still have a “D” by their name. I just hope he will help break the final filibuster today or tomorrow. Default is not an option.
Bernie lost all cred with me when he voted WITH Teapug Demint to filibuster the tax cut extension deal. “Independent” my ass, he listens too much to the PL to have any credibility at all.
With all due respect (and much is due to you Tally) I personally don’t have my hair on fire at all…I’m looking with actually a great deal of quite somber embarrassment as I know that the world is looking once again at a US which puts crazy people into power yet expects good results from that. I’m team PBO all the way and I couldn’t care less about what the right wing or professional left “think” about that. This said, I don’t have a lot of respect for Sanders and other purity partisans nor do I have any respect whatsoever for Stewart and other “both parties are the same” cynics. It’s just my opinion, not an overreaction, but an opinion created from a significant period of observing these two political actors and many others like them. I definitely think that waiting to put things into context is a very important point, but as to Sanders and Stewart, it is what it is, and my opinion of these two gentlemen is simply poor. /Kanye West shrug, lol
Hey Guys, Reid voted no on cloture of his bill, because he knew that there weren’t enough votes to stop the filibuster and he wants to be able to call it up again. So don’t freak out. 🙂
You are right, but losing Manchin (WV), Nelson (Nebraska) worries me. They probably want more concessions from the Dems, not less (Sanders). This suggests to me that the strength of the filibuster is going to be tough to overcome. Time is of the essence here. The next vote will be crucial. Remember, the Senate has not even spoken about the new deal, much less voted on it.
I suspect Manchin and Nelson want fewer concessions and Sanders more. In this instance, I perceive Sanders’ vote might be similar to Russ Feingold’s vote on the Patriot Act.
Actually the vote was about ending a filibuster. It was not on the main bill. Even if Sen. Sanders intended to oppose the final Reid compromise bill, I do not understand why he, and the other conservative Democrats, joined with all the Republicans to prevent a vote on the bill. Even if they opposed the Bill they really had no reason to vote with Republicans to continue a filibuster. Republicans had the votes for the filibuster. This is the problem with Democrats: they are never united. I suppose in Sen. Sanders defense, he is not a Democrat; he is an Independent who caucuses with Democrats.
Manchin is a first rate, greasy, racist ass hole!!! The guy who ran as an independent against him would have been a much better Democrat in my opinion!!!
Me too. They believed the worst rumors at BWD. The sentiment about POTUS – very depressing. Usually I come to the sister blogs for reassurance, today I think I’ll go feel the sun on my face instead and wait for word from the WH.
Whoever thought they were going to be left cheering over something so difficult as confronting our debt. President Obama did not create it but he is responsible for dealing with it.
My background is Psych, not politics. What makes me infinitely sad is the scapegoating that will occur. From all sides. Scapegoating is what created my family’s being wiped out in the Holocaust. It is NOT rational. But deeply unhappy people are not rational. I get the Three Branches of Gov’t framework, and even I get tempted to IFONLYOBAMA…logical or not. Suerte.
I had no idea that they caved on BWD. My god, what is wrong with people. My prediction is that nothing will pass so Obama can use the 14th amendment. This whole ordeal is fake opera. I really believe that the dems want to make it clear that no matter what is offered, the
pukes will not take it.
So right. At this point, except for a very few sites, most have thrown PBO under the bus. Truthfully, I think they are going to feel pretty stupid within the next two days. I think the dems are playing this very well. It seems they are falling a part somewhat due to negative feedback from their supporters. Stiffen your spines you idiots. Do what is right. See the game through.
dorothyrissman, this kind of talk is the very reason this President had to try to deal with those crazy ass Tea-Republicans. It’s the very reason there is Speaker Boehner, instead of Speaker Pelosi. If these people who have so much to say now, if they had got out and vote in 2010 ,the President would have had people to work with him to try to get things done. But these people got mad, they didn’t come out to vote in 2010, so the disappointment should be in themselves for not turning out to vote.
Where are all the supporters that all week have been calling and standing with the President? All of a sudden they have lost their trust in President Obama. Complete disconnect. This deal isn’t down. Does anyone recognize and acknowledge who and what is standing in our way….it is not the President. Don’t turncoat now.
It ‘s the acceptance of smoke signals and rumors and responding to them. Ie, what we criticize the PL for. Some poster reminded us about Obama’s ability to think long term. Nothing is over even if the worst happens today. Unless we turn on him in 2012 . Then, it WlLL be over.
It’s like being in an looney bin. And when it is over if past is prologue, President Obama will have delivered cunningly and in the best interests of all Americans. Things will simmer down, and they will give him a day or two of credit , and then look for another stick to begin beating him around the head with.
I am calmed today by something I learned about President Lincoln. I am no historian….this came through a documentary on the National Portrait Gallery, Hall of Presidents…President Lincoln incured much the same level of vitirol and disdain from the public, from both sides. Now we recognize him as one of our greatest Presidents. I believe Barack Obama will be right up on the list with him when all is said and done. I refuse to lose faith in him.
Another interesting quote, which I will muck up. This was on The Colbert Report. Guest was a woman writer who had just published a tome about the media. She stated that the media is brutal on new Presidencies, including Reagan’s. And I add that it seems much worse now, because of the sheer volume of noise out there, as conduits increase.
Obama does not want to screw over the elderly or persons in need. That is a given, and we proceed from there.
I appreciate your input, Sue, on this rough day. Namaste.
I suppose they are testing his mettle. Our WH press pool is really, really slow….if they haven’t figured out President Obama’s tensile strength by now……I would have to say they are not the sharpest tools in the box.
If they had any self respect they would close the obstacle course and concentrate on real reporting.
Ditto. You are correct, but Lincoln and many who followed him were lucky. 24 hour news and blogs have changed everything. The only thing on tv was Cronkite for one hour a night. The media is destroying our culture and country.
They certainly are a potent force. We talk often around our household about what seems to us to be a prevailing trend, the general immaturity, especially emotional and dysfunction in our culture. Probably too broad a brushstroke, but we would love to see a lot more research being done into the workings of the human mind. IMO, we know more about outer space and our universe than we do about our own minds. The alternate realities that seem to be able to take hold in this culture are mind bending. Rush Limbaugh case in point.
Well, let’s keep In mund, that PBO Is not our Savior, He Is being used by our LOrd and Savior Jesud Christ. My trust Is In God, our LOrd and Savior. I believe It just maybe like the ChildrenOf Israel crossoing the Red Sea. God’s got this, and the whole world In his hands. I’m not listening to the debates, because God’s got this. I pray about the debates, and Congress, and the Republicans and the Democrats. we ALL belong to God even our Government Officials. Even the people who are trying to do the right thing, and even the people that meane us harm and danger. We ALL belong to him, therefore I do what I can, I talk to the Lord about our troubles, and facing a dissaster. God will NEVER leave or forsake us, but we must pray and believe, trust, lean and depend on him, and HIM ALONE. Calm down everyone, and please pray, prya, pray 🙂
Sue in Minnesota, I for one have not lost my trust in the President. I am still supporting him. I believe he will do what is best for this country, so have no fear this President still has my support !00%. I believe he is trying to do what is best for this country.
I just feel for our President having to go through this BS with no real help from his party. This could have been avoided if the Dems had just had his back over the last 2 1/2 years.
POO, this could have been avoided if the Ed Shultz/Rachel Maddow/Keith Olbermann/Jane Hamsher PL lunkheads hadn’t been saying that PBO is a sellout who bends over to Republicans.
And now they want to blame their incompetence and selfishness on PBO. Very shameful.
I feel for him too, always. Hard not to when you have so much respect and admiration for what he is willing to slog through on our behalf.
I am going to donate some more money, not that I have much, but I am sure every little bit will help.
I posted this on the previous thread, thought I would repost…….
I haven’t looked at any news programs today because I decided to wait for the final deal.
I was listening to the Rev Al’s radio show on my drive home from church this morning and for those who think that the AA are unaware to what is going on, then they don’t have their ears to the ground. Every caller that called into the show spoke with one accord when saying that this president has been treated like no other president before him. They also spoke on the fact that it is intentional that republicans are trying to make the economy as worse as possible. They also talked about those on the left who have betrayed this president. There were also discussions regarding the criticisms leveled at the Rev, and as he said I will paraphrase “there are those who are show room activists, and then there are real activists who actually put their feet on the ground”.
They also spoke about people staying home in 2012 and said that we didn’t give the president the help he needed and we only have ourselves to blame.
I will not allow myself to feel discourage because despite what you’re hearing from the MSM they haven’t a clue to the depth at which people really understand what is actually going on.
Rev Al gets it, that’s why HuffNPuff are attempting to swiftboat him with lies and baseless attacks. They want useless Cenk Uygar back who didn’t do shit but complain about PBO being a rightwing Republican DLC corporatist Wall street sellout.
And this brings up a very important point: a lot of PBO’s critics don’t want to lift a finger and make a difference. PBO has gotten a lot of things accomplished that a lot of the PL wouldn’t know where to begin, let alone get done.
This also reminds me about Jon St. Making fun of the president about asking people to call and make their views known. He said something like, so we have to do it for you. Are you incapable of doing it yourself?
Well Jon Stewart is the one suffering from disconnect. President Obama among all other things is trying to empower the people to claim and use their voice responsibly. That means action. I co-sign Stewart can go fuck himself.
Oh anniebella, now I need to apologize for mine. You are a good influence. I also want to add, Jon Stewart is not funny, not IMO.
Stephen Colbert on the other hand I think is genuis.
I have the world’s biggest crush on Stephen. When he breaks charcater and that grin sneaks through…Jon Stewart is all schtick at this point. And mean and lazy. Last week the Reporrrr was positively a balm for me. SC seems to appreciate science as well, a welcome change from politics all the time. And when he crashed that 5000 robot…
Well, PBO didn’t put the teabags into office, so it’s the job of the voters to contact Congress,that’s the whole point of a representative democracy. Jon Stewart can stick it where the sun don’t shine.
This is good news, it is going to be up to us to counter the propoganda of the MSM. I also think after this debacle is resolved no one can give the Republicans a pass, they have been actively persuing one agenda, usurping the powers of this President , the voices of those that fairly elected him, and the well being of all Americans for whom he has given his sworn oath to serve and protect.
I get you bjw2. I don’t know any AA person in my little red district here that doesn’t think this way. I remember a while back when I went to the local police station to get my fingerprints done, the woman who did it was AA. I was carrying my “Barack Obama” backpack. She came real close to me and whispered that she “love”[d] my bag. Then she said something to the fact (paraphrasing) — can you believe the way they are treating him?”
I have had similar conversations with AAs in my cohort when I was in school, and some AA professors, I encountered on campus as well. They are all appalled at the way PBO is being treated. And it is not just AA. I take every opportunity I get to try to hear what people are thinking. As much as some people try their best to sow ugly seeds about this president, they will not succeed.
Africa – speak the truth and shame the devil. Totally co sign on this foolishness. AAs ain’t falling for the hype. There is NO President who has worked harder for the American people than PO. No one.
It is appalling the way they treat him. Both sides. The hatred is irrational, it’s visceral, no one is going to convince me that there’s no racism in their behavior. it’s disgusting.
This is O/T but it reminds me of my friend Johnny. When I was young, my 2 brothers and I were always together with some other friends. We were maybe 6-7 kids always playing together. One of these friend was Johnny, he was black, always smiling, so much fun and was the little star of the group. We were fascinated by him, not because he was black, kids are colorblind unless the parents are racists, but we were fascinated by him because he spoke English and he had an English name, for little french kids who couldn’t understand a word when he spoke to his mother, we thought it was the coolest thing ever! We used to camp out in the backyard pretty much every nights during summer. Everyone used to bring their sleeping bag.
One day a neighbor came over, I was next to my mother, she said to her: I hope you’re going to air out his sleeping bag (pointing at Johnny), it must stink to high heaven, YUCK.
I remember being so upset and I kept saying to my mother: It’s not true Mom, Johnny doesn’t stink.it’s not true”. My mother comforted me when the racist neighbor left, which was 2 minutes after, my mother was mad, and told me that of course he didn’t and she used words to made me understand that what that neighbor said was ignorant and so wrong and that we should never judge someone by what they look like, we were like a rainbow, all beautiful.
After that, every time Johnny came over, I always said to him : Johnny you smell good, you smell so good” and he used to reply: Why are you saying that?.
I was so young, I didn’t know better, I wanted to protect him, it was my way to tell him: if someone tell you that you stink, it’s not true”.
Something I will never forget, it’s probably the reason why I am so protective of President Obama, racists make me want to vomit, I can’t put it into words how I feel about them.
Christi, thank you for sharing your warm story with us. It is true, children are most influenced by their primary caregivers. God bless your Mother. You turned out alright. 🙂
ps – are you still telling Johnny he smells good? 😀
I have often wondered how I escaped being wired for such an insidious influence as racism and bigotry. I am not sure, but I am grateful…life is to short to hate, people are so full of promise, and the world is so full of wonder. I told my Dad I needed money to fly to Washington DC when Martin Luther KIng rallied the million man march. I think my Dad feel off his chair. I was insistent, and pretty full of myself for a 2nd or 3rd grader, I wanted to right the wrongs. I have always thought despite the fact that there are no guarantees that life will be fair, it remains an individual responsibility to strive to be so.
Guess we better keep our puke bags close, because we have got a long, long way to go. Let’s keep moving forward.
I am so sick of bigots. At times, I feel center that this country will not dramatically change until people of color represent more than 50% of the population. I know the racists are working toward that not happening, but I sure as Hell hope it happens soon.
If you click on the youtube icon, you can go straight to them to get it. That’s what I did. I get blocked by my IE so I have go to youtube. It takes this old lady back, way back. 😀
OOOOOH, thaks bj. This is a 1971 classic from a very gifted musical family. Here is the coresponding Youtube video of a live perfomance they did on a Variety show in the early 70’s. Enjoy I like to put a face with the music 😀 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RDW__oo9JU
Yes, I did and she was THRILLED that you guys would think of her as a hero. She mine of course. I read your comments to her and she laughed. She ‘s so modest. She is in rural MD, doesn’t have a computer or the internet, but she knows what’s gping on. Thank you guys so much for your kind responses. Love you. 😀
Love you back and your Mom too. Mom’s are the best! A little saying in our house: Mom cheers loudest, prays hardest, worries most, knows best. I used to remind my Mom that all the time, she appreciated it.
@ Bjw2…What radio station does Al Sharpton come on? I would like to listen to him on Sunday’s because I can’t stomach any of these Sunday television shows. Does he stream on line??
bj…..WHY HAVEN’T YOU TOLD ME YOU LIVE HERE IN MY TOWN OF RESIDENCE?? OMG!! A FELLOW BUCKEYE (I ASSUME YOU ARE A BUCKEYES FAN :wink:) I listen to 98.8 daily for my R&B oldies. We have got to get personal info shared. You know I work for the local OFA and am teetering on becoming a Neighborhood Teamleader again for the 2012 campaign. I live on the Eastside of Columbus. Boy, What a small world. 😀
😯 My sister just bought a house in Berwick on the street of the same name. I live just 10 min to 15 minutes away (depending on traffic) off of Brice and Refugee roads, just past Noe Bixby. I will let you know about my neighborhood organizing.
Hi fellow Buckeyes!! a small bit of correction: the radio station is Magic 98.9 for Columbus Ohio and yes Rev Al comes on at 9.00 a.m every sunday. today’s show was intense!
I know everyone is on edge, but this from Sullivan http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2011/07/all-over-but-the-trigger.html cheered me up.
Yes, it’s Tapper the jerk, but unfortunately he gets info others don’t.
Read it over. See what you think. If it’s true, then PBO gets the best out of an unnecessarily bad situation.
At least from this reporting, the deal seems to be not awful. Defense comes in for the harshest cuts. If Medicare gets triggered, it’s the providers who take the hit, not the beneficiaries. SS isn’t even mentioned. And there are plenty of incentives for the super committee to get its act together. I will now return to lurking for today and watching pre-season futbol.
Not sure. Hollywood might as well be Guam – even though it’s only 15min from Burbank. I was hoping it was this side of the hill. I just hate the fucked up parking over there.
so – maaaaaaaybe. Maybe if LOD promises to buy me some Champagne. 😉
Lisa – I’ll tell him how fab you are. Promise. And that he has all ta hawt wimins fightin over him like a cheezeberger. 😀
Well, I do understand that . While that is also my concern, I figured, I at least needed to learn how. I know now that I’m not going to be tweeting all the time. but it does seem to be a fascinating way to take the pulse of a topic. So far, I’ve just kinda lurked around a bit.
@Bjw2 Thanks I found 98.8 online and put it in my favorites 🙂 I love Tom Joyner, but he isn’t on here Sacramento , CA. I try to catch his show sometimes (when I am up very early) through tunein.com online.
The one thing this debt ceiling death battle has succeeded in doing is making otherwise sane people start sounding like babbling idiots. I guess people are just starting to crack under the strain. I don’t know if it is just dawning on people or what, but electing dozens of tea baggers to Congress means that horrible things are going to happen. When you finally find out what those horrible things are going to be, you shouldn’t act shocked. This is why it was vitally important that people on the left show some unity of purpose instead of taking their ball and going home. But, when did that ever happen with a Democrat in the White House? I guess, when they tried to impeach Clinton we were united. Other than that? Never. It’s just who we are, and why we lose. Still, the magical thinking is depressing me
I have heard people say that entitlments have to be deal with, if we are to get out debt under control. What does that mean? I don’t know but maybe the President and the people he has in charge knows. I’m still in the President”s corner.
SS isn’t part of the debt problem but I believe there is an issue with solvency. Some argue that it won’t happen for a couple of decades but I’d rather a Democrat deal with it now than a Republican. Medicare/Medicaid – definitely have to be fixed because they are very expensive. Again, I’d prefer a Dem take a scalpel to this than a Republican who will amputate the patient over a paper cut.
Really, I just remember all the times Obama told Democrats to take care of certain issues while they have the opportunity and most of them begging for more time or voting against doing anything only to end up having to deal with them now with whack jobs running half of Congress. And I remember how the left wanted to kill ACA and take it up later. Its “later” and look who we would have been dealing with had we waited to take care of ACA.
I am glad that everyone here is still upbeat and holding on to trust and belief, waiting for the final word before all of the hand-wringing and doomsaying and second guessing. I have not been commenting during this crisis because there has been so much of that at BWD and some of it has crept in here on occasion. Nothing is over until it is over and even then there may be a time for change in the future. The past is done; we lost the mid-terms of 2010, but another election is coming soon. Fewer people than many of you think watch the pundits and fewer of them are actually influenced by them when it comes to voting. Some commenters give them more credit and power than they deserve or actually wield. The current crop of republican governors and members of congress who have over-reached will rue the day ( some are doing so now as a result of the various law suits and other push-backs) during the next election cycle because those who were blind now really see and there will be a different outcome.
Keep the faith and keep the calls etc. going. Speculation and rumor-mongering are exercises in futility. Let’s wait with patience for the final word from the president.
Lets keep up our calling campaign, twitter, et al……..Jobs Speaker Boehner, where are the jobs you ran on …….when can we expect your promise to be made whole? We are watching and waiting, and no longer patient.
not yet. but was working on a small group to push up the number of immigrant voters. i will get in touch with you guys and we can see how we can join efforts for OFA
Great guys. I already work with OFA. I have since PBO was elected and I worked on helping pass ACA and recently worked on getting sigs to overturn Senate Bill no. 5 by our Dictator Governor Kasich. Wow……3 Buckeyes here in the TOD family. Can’t beat that!! 😉
I’m still not sure why the poutrage yet. If we get 50% or close in Defense cuts in the trigger, then that’s way more than we usually get. The President already has a freeze in spending in this year’s budget. We do need revenues, but just letting the Bush tax cuts expire in 2012, which can happen whether the President wins or losses in 2010, will half the deficit.
Medicare providers are already supposed to be cut from the 80’s and they get saved with the current Congress ‘fixing’ (recinding) the cut every year. I think they can be cut. Does it really cost $800 for one test? I doubt it.
[quote]There are now debates on how deep defense spending would be cut compared with programs for the poor. But it’s perfectly possible we’ll see the deepest defense cuts in memory. Revenues?
Democrats say –- if tax reform doesn’t happen through the super-committee, President Obama will veto any extension of Bush tax cuts when they come up at the end of 2012, further creating an incentive for the super-committee to act.[/quote]
Defense contractors are due for a massive cut. The soldier sure doesn’t get all the money Defense spends. The cost of medical service is also too high. If they bear the brunt, I can live with that. I’m sure the question is what other programs would be cut in the trigger. But since we don’t know that yet, I don’t see the point of the poutrage.
One of the big issues with Medicare has been in the ways providers have been paid with “fee for service” which encouraged unnecessary tests and larger fees. This led to many abuses that still go on in the system. Changing this to “fee for patient” means for example, that if you go to the doctor for your gall bladder, they won’t be able to give you a CT brain scan just to pad the bill out. (probably not the best example but I hope you see what I mean) This will save millions, probably billions in the long run. This is where PBO wants to do the cutting, not on making Medicare patients pay more but in making providers more accountable and cutting out excessive profits. I’m not just talking through my hat here. At one time I worked, briefly, in a hospital where Medicare was a golden cash cow that was vigorously milked.
The other problem that seems to be being addressed is the appalling drug costs. I could have screamed when Bush did his part D “drug benefit” which took away Medicare’s ability to set costs and bargain for the best prices for it’s patients. I’m not sure how accurate this number is but I read that the elderly account for about 67% of all regular prescription use. That’s a lot of $$$$$ for big Pharma. Fortunately the VA got exempted from this and they do bargain for and get the best prices on drugs for their patients.
These are some important things to remember that you can share with anyone you know who is scared about their Medicare benefits. I think we will see Medicare much improved and costs go down.
Aquagranny911, thanks for your comments. This is what the President said to us in many speeches. So thanks for reminding us of these points to share with those who may have questions when they read or hear this. I have seen many, many cases where the DOJ has cracked and won the caes on Medicare fruad. I receive the news from them weekly on the cases they have won. You can sign up on the DoJ website and check those things that are of interest to you, and they will keep you abreast of the progress. So I believe the Attorney General, Eric Holder has his orders to work these cases and the DOJ is doing a great job. POB knows what he wants to accomplish. You remember how he said, “Shortly after taking office as President, I called Leon Panetta into the Oval Office and told him that I wanted all the necessary forces to make it a priority to get OBL.” They did it, didn’t they. We must listen to POB more carefully whenever possible. Thanks again Aquagranny911.HZ
Gotcha bjw2. Please forgive my excitement and repetitiveness. I saw where you had company and was away from you computer. Thanks for responding. I will be keeping in touch.
Just skipping in to let you guys know that there´s not just people in the US thinking the president is doing a good job on this. I have been following the negotiations and all this very closely for the last two weeks or so and am on my toes to see the final deal which I have no doubt is just a few hours away. So heads up for that wonderful president of yours. 🙂 ~Nili from Germany
The one thing this debt ceiling death battle has succeeded in doing is making otherwise sane people start sounding like babbling idiots. I guess people are just starting to crack under the strain. I don’t know if it is just dawning on people or what, but electing dozens of tea baggers to Congress means that horrible things are going to happen. When you finally find out what those horrible things are going to be, you shouldn’t act shocked. This is why it was vitally important that people on the left show some unity of purpose instead of taking their ball and going home. But, when did that ever happen with a Democrat in the White House? I guess, when they tried to impeach Clinton we were united. Other than that? Never. It’s just who we are, and why we lose. Still, the magical thinking is depressing me
That nails it. Elections have consequences, and we’re suffering through the effects of the last one. Anyone who thought that somehow all of these insane fools could be elected and not feel any sort of pain from it, after having “taught” President Obama a lesson was fooling themselves. And conversely, having all the faith in the world in President Obama doesn’t mean that he can perform miracles. For many of the TP’ers in the Republican Caucus, default was a perfectly fine outcome, and no one, not Wall Street or any of their so-called caucus leaders hold any sway.
Remember that despicable Barack the Magic Negro stunt pulled by the RNC….seems many on our left allowed that to insidiously infuse into their brains. Where is their perspective, their sense of reality? They seem to think he has a magic wand….it’s unreasonable and unfair.
Even if you don’t agree with every thing in the deal. Lets stand with Obama and not throw him under the bus. Lets stay focus on the long haul not the short term. You can’t always get what you want, Rome was not Build in a day, Lets take the deal and keep fighting for a better tomorrow. Keep hope alive.
Elections do have consequences. Some folks really “taught” the President a lesson but really end up hurting themselves and others. I too want this to be over as well. And I think the possible credit downgrade was first and foremost on the President’s mind. There’s a lot of anger in the blogosphere right now but you can’t allow economic terrorists to be elected to come in without consequences. And for those that are wanting to primary Obama to bring him down in 2012, you will hurt the progressive cause and Democratic leadership for at least the next ten years. Also, I remember before the 2010 midterms when the President came out in September I think with repealing the Bush tax cuts as a major campaign point. Pelosi and particularly Reid said no because there were tough races that they thought they could win—well, we know the outcome and now all of this has piled on the President now. One crisis after another from poor decisions from the Dems and then craziness on the right that wants total chaos. The short term noise will be brutal folks, but history will be very kind to this President, very kind indeed.
And I have to add that I feel surprisingly calm. A little tired but very calm. Even though I haven’t heard the deal and it hasn’t even passed yet I’m doing good. The President doesn’t just have our economy on his shoulders to think about but the whole world’s.
We are a calm family, and that is the respect that I will always give Chipsticks who made this a beautiful haven for us to come to each day. So I also understand the comments about feeling calm. Thank you all for stating that. So I hope that we will respect that in all that we do. When and if I get out of line, I want to be called on it. But I think that Chipsticks deserve the respect on her site here. I speak in sincere love. HZ
I wish Democrats would come together and work to get rid of as many Republicans as we can get rid of in 2012. Put Pelosi back in as Speaker, and give Reid more Senate seats.
I’m feeling skeptical about the House and Senate races.
It’s a given that most of the House Teapugs will be thrown out, but I still feel that the Republicans will maintain the House, by a razor thin majority.
As for the Senate races, I feel that Republicans may very well end up taking most of them seeing as a lot of the seats on the Democratic side are in play because they are seats in right wing red states that happen to lean towards the (R)s. We can’t pull an Ed Shultz and lobby a radical Democrat in a lot of them, we’ll have to fight to get a moderate and sane Democrat elected in these red state Senate seats that are in play.
I’m just being realistic and pointing out the stakes. We have at least 20 Senate seats to win, and a majority of them are in red states, do you think it will be a cakewalk to win them all especially seeing as they are in red states that are leaning Republican?
Also they may go Repub just for the fact that the PL will spend and dedicate their time to primarying these bluedog Senate Democrats with Dennis Kucinich type Democrats, just like what happened with Blanche Lincoln. Just pointing out a disappointing and stark reality to the challenges that lie ahead: not just getting PBO re-elected, but winning the House back and keeping the Senate.
Well according to DWS we are PRIMED and ready to take back the House. I am staying optimistic. But with what you are saying I guess we might as well prepare ourselves for a Facscist Dictatorship. If this happens think I will move to Canada for my Senior years of life. 😦
Okay Nintendowii10, none of that speculative crap here!!!
We here are laser-focused on positive team building!!!
You can take your “realistic, pointing out the stakes” crap back to BWD’s or wherever the heck this sort of psychological warfare is served up as “being realistic/not keeping heads in the sand”!!!
Most of us come here to get away from this speculative nonsense and to direct our energy to POSITIVELY coming up with and implementing actions that will reverse and or destroy what we already know is out there!!!
Thanks Eleroy. I really appreciate your comments. Please let us stay focus on the positive energy of what we must do on this site. We have to build a positive team for the job ahead. That is plain and simple. I love each of you, however, I really believe that we can come together and discuss but the speculations not now. How we build our team within this family will determine our focus, get ou the votes from, explain the facts of what our this President and his Administration has done, and get to the polls in 2012 are the goals in my mind. Love you all back so much.HZ
I know in 2009 we had that, but people were so quick to vote the bums out cause things weren’t getting done as fast as they wanted it too.So they allow those crazy ass Tea Republicans to take control of the House. I have no doubt that if Pelosi were speaker, they would be working on some kind of job bill.
Don’t care for Craig Crawford, but he has interesting column on why President Obama won the debt deal. Makes a lot of sense.
“The President got what he most wanted, postponing another debt ceiling fight until after the election and without politically damaging entitlement cuts.
Everything else is eye wash. Most of the spending cuts are in the out years, which is another way of saying it won’t happen.
And one more committee to study cuts? Oh please, even if they call it a “super” committee that’s always a Capitol Hill euphemism for doing nothing. Adding so-called triggers for cuts if goals aren’t met also means nothing. Remember Gramm-Rudman?
Giving up tax increases on the wealthy is probably Obama’s biggest concession, but that fight lives for another day when the Bush cuts are scheduled to expire later on.
Even if liberals beat up the President for this deal, he wins. Nothing would help him more in his obvious effort to move to the center and appeal to independent voters for reelection.”
The President got what he most wanted, postponing another debt ceiling fight until after the election and without politically damaging entitlement cuts.
Everything else is eye wash. Most of the spending cuts are in the out years, which is another way of saying it won’t happen.
And one more committee to study cuts? Oh please, even if they call it a “super” committee that’s always a Capitol Hill euphemism for doing nothing. Adding so-called triggers for cuts if goals aren’t met also means nothing. Remember Gramm-Rudman?
Giving up tax increases on the wealthy is probably Obama’s biggest concession, but that fight lives for another day when the Bush cuts are scheduled to expire later on.
And what he did in the process, I believe, he brought that issue to light. Now many Americans know that Republicans are refusing to give up one penny for the wealthy.
I posted here the other day that the nightly poll question had to do with subsidies for the oil companies. Many of the respondents were in favor of eliminating those subsidies for the oil companies.
When the president gets in real campaign mode, we will have lots of video and information to remind people. Then if they decide to stay with the Republicans, it will be on them.
I am sick and tired of these petulant PLs who claim they are tired with this man, calling him some of the vilest names, because they think they can intitimidate people with their votes. For me, if they don’t want to vote for this president, let them vote for the Republicans.
In a few years they will be the same ones screaming that Roe vs. Wade is being repealed, DADT, where do I start.
Enough is enough.
I support this president and believe like another commenter over at BWD said, if he was not at the table one can only imagine the alternative.
Wow this just pisses me the hell off. TPM has decided to replay the PUMA wars of 2008. They have a post up from one of the editors titled “Buyer’s Remorse” and they are asking people to send them emails
Would Hillary Clinton have handled the debt crisis better than Obama? TPM asked. You answered: http://tpm.ly/oO2uFN ^@tflane
This has absolutely nothing to do with being an O-bot, I just want to know WTWH is the fuckin’ point of whole shoulda, woulda coulda BS? Does TPM needs page views that badly? Or has everybody in the liberal blogosphere gone fuckin’ crazy?
Hah, like Hillary Clinton would have been a “more liberal” President than PBO. PUH-LEEAZE! These Clintoncrats are REALLY getting on my last nerve!!! Bill Clinton did more and more to sell out progressive ideals than PBO has, and these TPM clowns are fools for even putting ANY question out there about “President” Hillary handling anything without Bill butting in. It was Bill’s meddling that was largely to blame for Hillary losing to PBO during the primaries, these Clintoncrats need to get a clue, their time and relevance in politics is OVER!!!
I want to tell these people at TPM, if the Progressives had come out to vote in 2010, chances are we would have still had a Speaker Pelosi. And all those crazy ass Tea-Republicans wouldn’t be in office. Think about that when you want to blame President Obama for everything. No they want to think Bill and Hillary were Gods. But let’s remember their beloved Clinton made cuts to Medicare..
lamh34, you know what I would tell me, if I could. If the progressives had gotten it’s butts out to vote in 2010, the President wouldn’t had to be dealing with these radical Republicans.
Good evening everyone. I have been thinking some about all of these people who now say that they no longer support the President. I think I am glad they are really coming out. We do not need them because they were never real supporters any how. They were only there because they thought that they could control President Obama and get to what they want the quickest through him. They feel that everything that they believe is right for everyone just like the teabaggers. We, the real POB supporters, do not need them. They will only hold us back and ruin things when we do win and walk into that promise. The story in the Bible where the Isrealites are getting ready to take the promised land and the spies come back and two were very negative and said we can’t take it they are giants and only one said yeah there are giants but we have God on our side so we will win. Also before the battle God narrowed Joshua’s army down. He got rid of the scared people, the people with other agendas and the ones who definantly did not have his back. So I say to you all let those that are talking all this CRAP move on. We do not need them! They were never with us or a part of us in the first place. Just remember that everyone cannnot go with you when it is time for a blessings because they bring all of that poison with them and ruin it.
Thanks for your comments, FTL. We will continue to need a well fill with good energy to fill our hearts and minds in order to support our President. Thank you for this reminder. HZ
A lot of them are PUMAS who are mad because PBO defeated Hillary in the 2008 primaries, and in their minds she was the only rightful person to be President because they are nostalgic for the Bill Clinton years. A lot of them are Ron Paul libertarians, and a lot of them are anarchists who want to overthrow the government.
We don’t need that kind of insanity in our party. PBO has always campaigned on running practical and sane government, meaning governing from the middle. And he has governed from the middle, which makes these PL mad. They project an agenda onto him that he never campaigned on or promised, and then have the nerve to call him a two faced right wing Republican DLC corporatist Wall street lying POS… no different from the Teapugs if you ask me.
Bingo. I refuse to let them get into my head with their negativity. They will not take up one inch of space in my head. I remain committed to working for President Obama. Just the thought of a Republican in the White House, even before witnessing what we saw these last past weeks, scares me into doubling my efforts to working for this man.
No, I won’t allow them to take up space in my head. They can blame this president for everything if they want, but that just dioes not square with the reality.
I am so glad you posted this. I had just read this at DK and wondered if someone on this site was writing under the nom de plume of ThisIsMyTime.
You’re right about its uplift. It gave me a shot in the arm. I know I’m preaching to the choir, but no matter what happens tonight, I’m feeling a greater urgency to fight hard for 2012 and to work even harder for the man I am blessed to call My President.
Hillary Clinton did negotiate a helluva health care reform package back in the early 1990’s. Bill also negotiated a great deal on DADT, NAFTA was great as was Gramm-Leach. That Clinton Family is a progressive machine.
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“That Clinton Family is a progressive machine.”
Thanks for the snark, StR. 🙂 I think your snark hit the nail right on the head. We all know by now that the Clinton Machine even at its peak was a far cry from progressive in many ways. We’ve seen President Obama in action for just over two and a half years now, and he has managed to put into law more progressive legislation than Clinton did in two terms.
Like others have indicated, I’m not clicking on or linking to any PL or PUMA sites spewing that “Hilliary would be more progressive” garbage.
What good would it do her if she were more progressive…the point is it is the Republicans stupid. Osama Bil Laden would be so proud of the terrorism that they wreck.
Here’s the politics of it – Dems want to raise taxes on rich to pay for the rest of the shortfall, GOP wants to cut much deeper on backs of old and poor while not raising a cent in taxes on rich.
America will decide what they want in 2012. Everything else is just noise.
Well STR seems like your cut and dry narrative for CAMPAIGN 2012 would favor PBO and the DEMS. Are only obsticles….MSM, MESSAGINNG, and VOTER DISENFRANCHISMENT (which would adversly effect Dems).
Folks if you hadn’t noticed the PL, PUMAS, and Disaffected Professional Blacks love to hear themselves BITCH, MOAN, and COMPLAIN. They are all Clintonites who never really embraced PBO. They thought PBO would be their House Nigga. Well he isn’t and this is the RESULT. Lets move on people….donate, volunteer your time, and contact your reps when you want action. We have a President to RE-ELECT!! 😀
Why Bob? All Boner has to do is leave the Teabaggers alone and collect his moderate Rethugs and get all the Dem Caucuses to signoff along with Nancy’s help. It is crunch time and I believe they will do it.
Pelosi and the Dem Caucus will not to the heavy lifting on a bill like this. Boehner is the one who used his nutjobs to bring it to the right – he needs to deliver the votes. I can’t see Dems supplying anymore than half of their caucus. CBC is already out, Progressive Caucus will almost surely be out – combine that’s about 80 “no” votes already in the Dem caucus.
Word currently is that the Congressional Black Caucus and the Progressive Caucus are not happy. Progressive Caucus is supposed to call a meeting tomorrow…
Combined they are about 100 members. 83 declared Progressive Caucus members and 39 in the CBC (there is sizable cross over of CBC members in the Progressive Caucus). Dems have a caucus of 193, at most Pelosi can be tasked with rounding up half her caucus – I think she could do it, as not all progressive caucus members will vote against it.
Keith – I suspect a very large number of House Dems are going to vote no. At least 100 Rs will vote no.
President Obama has been masterful in his efforts to govern democratically.
However, the reality of the situation, as you and anyone paying attention knows, is that the Radical Republican Party has intentionally extorted by holding not just the American economy but America’s stature as their hostage. That is a precedent that must be squashed.
What has also been obvious to anyone paying attention is that the Radical Republican Party is constantly overreaching. The President certainly knows it because he’s been dealing with these terrorists daily. My sense is that they will overreach one more time and Boehner has no way of containing the situation. Speaker Pelosi and the House Democratic Leadership is intentionally forcing Boehner to show his hand. No House Democratic member has any reason to vote yes if the substantial number of Republicans vote No.
That’s the scenario I consider most likely. The bill will fail in the House. The extortionists will be fully exposed. The President will enforce the Constitution. The extortionists will be crushed in 2012.
Aw Gees — needless to say Republicans are grousing that the defense cuts in the trigger are too strong. As Brian Beutler says, that’s the POINT of a trigger, you dim wits! If you don’t want the cuts to be equal between the military and discretionary, then you better have something decided before the trigger needs to be pulled.
Idiots. Every last one of them.
Go ahead. Look ridiculously unwilling to compromise as the debt ceiling looms. Threaten to let the economy crash and burn so you don’t have to cut any wasteful military spending. Go right ahead. Go ahead with the tired line that Obama isn’t keeping the country safe. Preach THAT to a war-weary nation who say this President bring our greatest attacker to justice (unless you count Boehner’s Republican caucus). That’s how you lose the argument, you nit wits.
They are definitely morons. However, this should be the Dems line in the sand. Don’t water down the triggers for the GOP as we need them to behave reasonably in the future.
They won’t water down the trigger. I’d be really surprised if they did. This was their line in the sand. It’s bad enough that a trigger didn’t include tax increases. The bastards are lucky they got what they got. Frankly, I think it’s a win for us, even though the bill totally sucks. But from political reality, this is as good as it gets.
Of course nothing’s agreed to until everything is agreed to. There’s a teahadist on MSNBC right now that the requirement should be that the BBA PASS. Well, why don’t we just let Eric Cantor be king? Why bother to vote at all?
I think the bonus is the fact that PO will end the bush cuts. And we all know if we work hard to elect more responsible Dems next year who are willing to work with the President, they will work to close some of those tax loopholes.
Cesna wrote in his latest blog that there will be another government shutdown showdown in two months. What is that one about? I read about the gas tax lapsing, but also there could be something about a CR expiring. Anybody know?
Couldn’t watch all the stuff today. Just too insane. Just what would those critics of my president want him to do? He was presented the TParty traitors in 2010 by all too many “democrats” who had rather spout off rhetoric than roll up their sleeves and get to work. I will NOT listen to any of them. It is always so easy to be a critic as opposed to really producing something. Its time for us to man up, cough up and get to work. Love my president. The best that has ever been.
Now that he’s negotiated triggers with Medicare and Defense, the teabaggers are trying to stop their side from getting cut. This is why you don’t negotiate with economic terrorists. The more you give in, the more they’ll take from you.
Heads up guys the President is about to speak at 8:40Pm ET/7:40Pm CT/5:40PM PT It will be aired on CNN, MSNBC, FOX. There appears to be a tentative plan on the table. Boehner is having a conference call with his caucus and Reid and Pelosi are discussing the plan with their caucuses.
Nothing is agreed to until EVERYTHING is agreed to.
While President Obama’s statement seems very reaonable, including TAXING THE FUCKING RICH, I still believe there will be a CLEAN BILL, and that is what the goal is.
There is no time to write detail into any “agreement” they have floating around either house right now, much less read it, pass it around, and vote on it.
Much more importantly – the GOPTeaHadists will NEVER agree to a SuperCrongress, or any tax hike. NOT. EVER.
A CLEAN BILL is an EPIC WIN no matter what the hysterical Pundit-Idocracy™ says.
How?
1. NO CUTS. Cuts would be deadly in this economy.
2. No more holding the country hostage. This will be put to bed until 2013.
3. By doing nothing….. the BUSH TAX CUTS EXPIRE.
4. Obama can introduce an EPIC Infrastructure/Jobs bill that he can beat the GOP with from now until election day.
5. The GOP/TeaHadists have shown the world:
– just how much they hate America, their Government, their fellow countrymen, science, intelligence, math, and everything the Koch Bros tell them to.
– how insane they are.
– how willfully ignorant they are.
– how full of poison they are.
– how they are finishing the work of Bin Laden.
The Dems & POTUS are ALL well aware of this list. Everything that is happening now is theatre to allow the few adutls who are left in the GOP to look respectable, and marginalize the Crazies®. So before you go jumping any Dem’s shit who votes the way you don’t like – or think they should, or says something you don’t agree with – keep the above in mind.
And remember: Nothing is agreed to until EVERYTHING is agreed to.
Me too Tally. My problem is I can’t spell anymore, lol. I look back at my posts and “WHAT” that’s not the way that’s spelled. I hope you guys forgive me. Another thing, I can’t write either. The more I’m on the internet, the worse I get. It worries me that our children are not writing in long hand. I blame my problems on age, but using the keyboard all the time does change things.
Short and sweet. I think that the bottom line is, he got as much as he could get with the whistleheads he had to deal with. He plays a “long game” and this deal plays to that long view of restoring America. I’m in. I’ve always been in. and I work my tail off to get this man re-elected. I will also work to remind folks of what the Rethugs, Teathugs, and other hateful folks are doing, have done or tried to do this country.
And a clean bill, which is what was called for in the first place, will also have the effect of showing, REALLY SHOWING, what assholes, how many assholes, and what kinds of assholes we have for representatives.
If all of this hot air results in a “clean” bill to raise the debt ceiling, The political ads will have written themselves.
2012 let’s do our best to put more Democrats in the House, get rid of some of those radical Republicans. But do you know what, I’m not so please with the Democrats. Those Progressives Liberals are getting to the point where they are as sickening as the Tea-Party.
He had to prevent default. This just would not have been good for the country on his watch. Hate the rethugs for this made up crisis. Hate them for their hatred of our President.
President Obama just had a briefing and he said that a debt ceiling agreement had been reached and agreed upon by the leaders of both chambers. It is a two part deal. The first part cuts about $1 trillion over the next ten years. The cuts will be over ten years so that is not drastic and will not derail growth in the economy. The second part of the deal establishes a bi-partisan super committee that will recommend more spending cuts and revenues. The committee has to have a plan agreed upon and voted on before a certain date in November 2011. If they don’t, a trigger has already been set in place that will automatically increase revenue and have some tweaks to entitlement programs most likely on the provider side. The incentive to act before the trigger deadline is that the cuts and revenues will be harsh. Most of the cuts will come from Defense and that’s an incentive for the GOP to act since they looooooooooooove defense spending. The one thing the President stressed was that the second part of the deal WILL include a balanced approach; meaning cuts + revenues. The rich will be made to pay their fair share, corporate tax reforms will be made, and other tax increase tweaks. Finally, President Obama thanked the American people for their overwhelming response in terms of tweets, calls, faxes, letters and emails. He said that our voices were heard and that was what finally pushed both sides to come to a deal that would raise the debt ceiling through 2012.
Hopefully a vote occurs in both chambers tomorrow or on tuesday before the 11:59PM deadline.
Boehner has sent no confirmation that he has agreed.
As noted above, the President has masterfully, once again, placed the burden on the Republicans to act responsibly. They won’t. He will then defend the Constitution and the Republic.
I want to know how many of these Progressives went to vote in 2010? My 86 year old neighbor went to vote, even though she had trouble walking. She felt it was her duty, and she did not want the Republicans to get in control. Now if a 86 year old could do that, but these P.Liberals didn’t feel the need too. Well they need to stop their dam bitching.
Are you sure about revenue increase in the trigger? I admit I missed the President’s statement by a few minutes. It had been reported earlier that the trigger was across the board cuts and defense cuts.
I think you’re wrong about revenue increases in the trigger.
The only version of the deal I can find is Boehner’s bullet points. If he’s correct (which is highly suspect), the deal is not as good as I originally thought. Many things that bother me a lot, but it’s Boehner’s spin to stupid people in Congress. I’ll wait for a version from our side.
But I really don’t think there are automatic revenue increases in the trigger. I don’t see that anywhere and if someone can prove to me that’s what Obama said, I’ll accept it.
There will be spending cuts in the form of defense cuts as well as revenue increases built into the trigger, that’s why democrats like Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, Dick Durbin and Patty Murray immediately signed on.
The RW Tea-blogs are exploding in anger right now at this deal. They say that McConnell and Boner are sell outs and need to be primaried – sound familiar?
As mentioned, you are probably right but my sense is that while everyone was busy hand wringing, VP Biden, POTUS and some responsible repubs were working behind the scene leading up to this but like the rest of the world, we will have to wait and see.
Pres getting another debt issue put off until 2013 is a huge win for him. The Rs really wanted to make this a campaign issue. And he looks like the only one who really wanted to save the country.
Given the CR expires at the end of September, I think there should have been some sort of extension of that in this deal. I mean now the GOP can play “What to cut now” in two months time. One OMG!!!1! deadline after another.
My mom was giving me PL bullshit about PBO governing like a repug. She was talking about comedians saying PBO is giving repugs what other repugs say they don’t need. I had to take some time to school her. I really did not like that. She’ll vote for PBO but the PL bullshit has already been infecting local stations ( she doesn’t follow cable news). I wanted to tell her I didn’t care what she thought as long as she votes come 2012, which she will. But since I’ve got to stay here till Friday and I’m definitely going to be going on and on about PBO, I wanted to clear the air and let her know what was what. I don’t like that bullshit. I can’t believe her. 😡
Remind her what I said above – and remind her this is the BIGGEST STRATEGY GAME EVER.
Remind her about the ClownCarCarzies…etc….. you can’t negotiate with them as you would with normal, sane people who live in a world of science and logic….
Lisa, I also have lots of lovely wines on my rack plus there is a lovely winery just down the street from me. We all need to get together after we re-elect POB.HZ
Me and Chipsticks attented the inauguration in 2009. Of course we found out we both attended through this site. And we have made a promise to meet each other at PBO’s next inauguration in 2013. The more the merrier girls!! 😀 Obama/Biden 2012!!
LIsa, Lisa. KEEP a roof over your head, honey. Especially since you say you have to be there until Friday… Now ain’t the time to get into arguments with the mother unit!! Just say to yourself, “Bless her heart” And then say out loud “Mom, I love you”
I remember being in an argument with my mother. I looked at her and said “well, you raised me didn’t you? Don’t you think I would think rationally about ______” She couldn’t do anything but smile and give me a hug. We both laughed and as you can see, I don’t even remember what the argument was about.
My Mom is still in President Obama’s corner. She knows who she want to vote for2012. No doubt about it. My Mom will get in your face if you try to put down our President.
She’ll vote for him come 2012. She knows just how mean I am and that I’m just petty enough to hold a grudge for 20 years, just in time to put her in a home.
I went through that with a brother after December’s compromise. He would refer to him as “your friend Obama”…..I was so mad I did not speak to him for a couple days. He would start in, I would put up my palm. He is 100 miles down the road today…..I know who he respects, it’s our President. I realized how easy it is for talking points , once ingested to be constantly parroted, ad nauseum. I was really disappointed in him as I thought his critical thinking skills were sharper than that. We are beyond that….he came around to reality. Hang in their Lisa, your Mom will come around too.
I think people need to study President Obama to understand for themselves who this man is, and the depth of his character. They will never get that from a contentious MSM. He breaks the mold, and has set a completely new standard for politicians.
he definitely breaks the mold Sue. You are totally right. My mom is hardheaded but underneath it all, she’s rooting for PBO. Her confidence in him may not be as unshakable as ours, but if there is one thing I can count on, is her absolute distaste for repugs and her support for a perceived underdog. She doesn’t really talk politics, at most, all she does is vote. At this point, all I want is her vote. I love her, but I really don’t care about her opinion in terms of PBO’s governing skills, just her vote come 2012.
We keep the peace. I hear you. It’s so easy for people to accept talking points, which considering the complexity of our problems, and the political ammunition they are designed to be, renders them seriously misleading.
Sue I concur. I have read some excellent books on our President by greater authors who did some excellent research with people who really knows President Obama, and you come away with a totally wonderful picture of this wonderful gift that we have been so blessed to elect as our President. I am calm about his leadership and his honesty. Just me speaking and not for anyone else. HZ
Tally, there is one of then Senator Obama at a brunch at Oprah’s house in Cali.,standing under a tree in all black T, jacket, pants that will make you want to holler. No disrespect our beautiful First Lady and Mr. President. Just plain Fine, Fine, Fine, Fine.HZ
HZ, do you have a link to that photo? I don’t believe I’ve seen a photo of PBO (then Sen. Obama) at a brunch at Oprah’s house wearing “black T, jacket, and pants.” BTW, good thing he was wearing pants. 😉
Thanks Tally. HZ is right. That’s a fine looking photo of then Sen. Obama all donned in casual black, greeting Oprah (???) with a hug. However, I would really love to see a full length version of just him in that outfit. 😉
Kasai. But there numbers aren’t large enough to stop a clean bill. The reasonable Republican (ain’t THAT a trip!! it’s funny to me that I can describe them as reasonable, but compared to the Teathugs, they are…) know that a ‘raising debt ceiling agreement’ must be signed. They have in fact, rallied for it, under the Bush administration.
I was right, unfortunately: there are no revenue increases in the trigger. It’s cuts only, but includes defense cuts. God, I hope that’s enough to motivate them.
Obama did affirm what I thought was going on: he has months to virtually campaign on convincing the American people of the need for tax increases on the wealthy. He’s already started to change CW and he just needed more time to do it. Drum beat.
It’s a very Republican-happy deal. The cuts are back loaded — that’s major.
If the deal is exactly as Boehner is laying out, then it truly sucks. But it’s Boehner. He’s already been caught in one lie about current law as the baseline meaning it will be very difficult to increase taxes. The current law baseline includes the expiration of the Bush tax cuts, so he lied to his caucus of dim wits.
There will be spending cuts in the form of defense cuts as well as revenue increases built into the trigger, that is why democrats like Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, Dick Durbin and Patty Murray immediately signed on.
Hey 57and female, from thw whitehouse website: This paragraph explains PBO’s balanced approach where taxes breaks are concerned
5. A BALANCED DEAL CONSISTENT WITH THE PRESIDENT’S COMMITMENT TO SHARED SACRIFICE
The Deal Sets the Stage for Balanced Deficit Reduction, Consistent with the President’s Values: The deal is designed to achieve balanced deficit reduction, consistent with the values the President articulated in his April Fiscal Framework. The discretionary savings are spread between both domestic and defense spending. And the President will demand that the Committee pursue a balanced deficit reduction package, where any entitlement reforms are coupled with revenue-raising tax reform that asks for the most fortunate Americans to sacrifice.
The Enforcement Mechanism Complements the Forcing Event Already In Law – the Expiration of the Bush Tax Cuts – To Create Pressure for a Balanced Deal: The Bush tax cuts expire as of 1/1/2013, the same date that the spending sequester would go into effect. These two events together will force balanced deficit reduction. Absent a balanced deal, it would enable the President to use his veto pen to ensure nearly $1 trillion in additional deficit reduction by not extending the high-income tax cuts.
Boehner is positively gloating in his selling the bill to his caucus. I hope Pelosi gets a hold of his powerpoint and tells Boehner “Since you got everything you wanted like you profess – you can supply the 217 votes as well”. Since you got everything you wanted, it’s your bill, you vote for it and own it.
Yeah, but as always, Boehner is blowing smoke. He’s just trying to keep his seat. Nancy is looking for that seat too! And I mean to work my ass off for her to get it. I think Nancy did a pretty good job of speaking her mind re: Boehner on the House floor. She’s got bigger fish to fry.
“Update: To clarify something important, Boehner’s presentation gives the impression that new revenue is impossible under the bipartisan congressional commission. That’s false; new revenue is possible and will be a key goal of Democratic members. Whether the revenue is likely or not is a separate question, but for those who saw that and were concerned, Boehner’s claim is just factually wrong.
Second Update: The White House has released a relatively detailed fact sheet on the debt-reduction framework, intended, at least in part, to reassure progressive critics of the plan. “
StR, you know Boehner is full of alot of crap. People will look back at this whole thing and ask the question, why did we have to go through all this? Who was the ones not willing to compromise, who was willing to destroy this country by letting it default on paying it’s bills for the first time ever. It was Boehner and the T-Republicans. Believe me there is nothing to gloat about. This whole matter was an embarrassment to our country. And it was all the T-Republicans fault.
I like the analogy from Smartypants above. The President is always good at the long game. The deal in December was so controversial at first until the Progressives and the left saw the end game. I believe this deal will be the same. The President is always at least five steps ahead of everyone else.
I have been reading the comments here for the past couple of days and you guys are great. However, I must commend Tally and Bobfr for their very insightful posts. I agree with Tally. All we need is a clean bill. That is all he ever really wanted or needed, because the economy is to fragile for any massive cuts right now. However, the Rethugs picked this fight and he played it with them. because he knew they would back off of real deficit reduction because they are really full of S***! This whole exercise has been a a bad theatrical performance by the Republicans that has shown them to be the idiots we all know them to be. And by the way, the Bush Tax cuts expire at the end of 2012 anyway, so all PBO and the Dems have to do is let them expire. However, I also agree with Bobfr in that if the idiots don’t pass it, the POTUS will invoke the 14th, if he has to because I believe that he will do what ever he has to do in the best interest of the country. So to all of you, this is a win for the POTUS, I don’t care what the msn or PL have to say about it. I will repeat what I have said all the time, we have to trust the president. I am 66 years of age and this is the 1st president that I really trust. I voted for him and I intend to vote for him again. So everybody just chill out. He’s got this.
Thanks you also Tally. I concur with Senior4Obama. I am one also. I have appreciated Chipsticks making your commentary and Bobfr’s commentary on this site upfront. We have so much to be grateful for on this site. I continue to thank all of you, and I thank Chipsticks especially for her labor to make this a beautiful have for the TOD Family.
meant to say haven. I better say good night to my TOD Family and Chipsticks because I am making too many mistakes. I was trying to hang with it to keep my mind off of the pain, but it is winning right at this moment. So I will put so more candles on, a little music, and much prayer to get myself centered. Tally, thanks for the thought of me getting my Clean Bill Tues. morning as I go into surgery at 11:30. I love you all so much. HZ
Don’t think there will be a clean bill; the compromise will pass. Clean bill does not reassure the markets about US commitment to address long-term debt and could result in more capital outflow (as China and others invest in Germany and safer markets). Given the commotion over raising the debt ceiling it is important to show that some compromise can be arrived at on this issue. If we elect strong majorities to Congress in 2012 the game changes January 2013.
The Progressives need to remember the Bush tax cuts end in 2013, and taxes will go back to what they were when Clinton was President. Now if some Republican is in the White House, what do you think they will do? So they need to get their act together and help re-elect this President. Stop acting like a bunch of rotten babies.
The Obama Diary 
Hello everyone. While I am not watching anything on tv, I’ve listened to radio, and it keeps being reported that a deal is near, and a big victory for rethugs as there are no closing of loopholes, and no raise in taxes. I will leave it to others here to fill me in. Sounds like premature reporting from the local news radio. Off to errands.
What is the Republicans winner of. Bring this country to the brink of disaster. Showing the country that they are willing to bring down this country. Is that winning? Regardless I’m going to trust President Obama to do the best for this country. I didn’t elect him cause he was black, or cause he was cute, or sexy, or had a nice smile, I elected him because I believe he will do what is best for this country. I’m not doubting him.
TPM has a break down of the deal. Just do not read the comments. It looks really workable. I am surprised the repugs went with it.
Of course who knows if they can get it through the house.
No cuts in entitlements. read it.
Here is the link Shoot I cannot get the link to work. It will not paste my copy. It is in the upper left corner of the page. The link is there.
Watching the vote to break the filibuster. Bernie Sanders a “no”. I’m not at all religious, but GOOD GOD Sanders! Voting with the R’s not even to Begin a debate? Insane. The clock is ticking…
The vote is over the original Reid bill. It means nothing.
Bill, I hope you are right. I feel like I am near a nervous breakdown. The hatred of PBO on the internet has put me over the top. Even sites like Steven Benin and TPM are filled with haters who said they have given up. Good grief, nothing is settled.
teh “progressives” are nuts. They made up their minds before we have any idea as to what is actually going on.
These people are quick to blame President Obama but fail to take responsibility for not giving him a democratic Congress. Elections have consequences. Walking away from any deal will hurt everyone, not just Wall Street. They at least are not paycheck to paycheck.
Tracy, I do not believe that Obama would do anything to hurt the poor, disabled or middle class. This has to be a farce. Nobody wants to give him credit, well, we do, for being the ace that he is. So we have been able to get rid of The Reid Bill, now it is down to the final hour, so to speak. I truly believe Obama will use the 14th amendment. The bills will have all died–which is a good thing.
If PBO uses the 14th Amendment then he tanks his presidency, because it will end up throwing gasoline on the fire that is default, not to mention then the Teapugs will have ammo to throw impeachment charges against him with.
This 14th Amendment argument is one of the PL, which is why Jay Carney has said the admin has more or less ruled it out. We’ll probably have a last minute deal, just like from this spring with the impending government shutdown.
I do not know. It could be a matter of giving everything a chance and then if only the repugs are gaining, out of the bargain, I think he might feel he has to try it. I certainly have been wrong before, and you know that I adore PBO.
I stand corrected, Bill.
Bernie Sanders is a completely useless git!!! He serves absolutely no purpose in government. 😡
Because Bernie Sanders is invested for President Obama to fail! He is the chosen one by Progressives, to Primary President Obama, you know!
No, he’s not. It was on Thom Hartman’s show, I HEARD IT.
Bernie, in a fit of frustration, said something he shouldn’t have. He said, “Someone should primary Obama to MAKE HIM FIGHT HARDER.” But of course, the PL & ProKochs jumped on that, and everyone lost their fucking MINDS. (Including many Obama supporters.)
Bernie has SAID – he hs NO INTEREST in doing anything other than representing his peeps in Vermont. PERIOD. I’m sure he’s sorry he said it at this point. Bernie is one of the good guys, and is a bazillion times better than anyone on the right.
We need to stop allowing our hair to catch fire when you don’t hear/read things IN FUCKING CONTEXT. We become no better than the PL or the teafuckingspoons.
Bernie is on our side.
As for Jon Stewart. I’m not happy with how he’s been on Obama lately, but NO ONE has been RUTHLESSLY HAMMERING THE ClownCarCrazies® as much as he has these past two weeks. And that is a GOOD THING.
I know we’re all on edge – but everyone needs to take a fucking breath and CHILL THE FUCK OUT!
Hmmm…..but I’ve been reading testimonials that Bernie is all over cable and radio saying these things. It wasn’t one time.
And the PL & Media are all over cable and radio saying the PBO is caving, and said that he was cutting SS & Medicare.
PROPAFUCKINGANDA.
Bernie Sanders IS part of the PL my dear!!!
Bernie was a man I totally respected but lately he has let the hero worshipping he’s getting from the PL (who will elevate just about ANYONE in their bid to take down President Obama), go to his head!!!
Bernie Sanders has gotten carried away and has bought into the PL hype and unfortunately, Bernie has lost his fucking mind!!!
Again Tally, with regard to Jon Stewart: He is an ass hole period!!!
My enemy’s enemy, IS NOT necessarily my friend and this applies to Jon Stewart!!!
Jon Stewart might be doing a bit of what you might describe as “hammering” of SOME republicans, but Jon Stewart has been squarely focused on stripping President Obama of dignity, respect and credibility!!!
The “hammering” of “clowncarcrazies” is in my opinion a little break for Jon. The real focus of his disdain and denigration is and continues to be inexplicably, President Obama!!!
Jon Stewart IS an ass hole and not even his periodic pieces on the republicans will change that for me!!!
http://inchoatia.blogspot.com/2010/10/so-jon-stewarts-kind-of-asshole-it.html
Agree about Jon Stewart—–way too full of himself lately, obnoxious, hateful, damaging. Can’t wait till he’s president and breezes thru all these negotiations with the crazies. He’s another one who thinks he knows better, could do better and he does not even begin to measure up to the man, Barack Obama, not even in the same ball park. And therein lies the probable explanation for all this overhyped animosity.
Bernie never pretended to be a Democrat. I believe he is a man of principle, and like all men completely capable of inartful words and a sense of frustration. I would much rather have Bernie Sanders putting pressure on the President than the Mo Fing Republicans. He at least pulls him in a more humane direction. Bernie cares about people, he does not worship at the altar of the almighty dollar. He knows there is no I , only we in the US of A.
Sue, I love the “and like all men completely capable of inartful words”. So true.
Thanks DR, I know from experience.
I hope we are stroring our sense of calm…feels like it to me. What I need to do is pry myself away from the computer, I’ve been compelled to be here non-stop since yesterday as my other world awaits.
restoring…not stroing, speaking of inartful 😀
I have been so nervous today, that I read it as restoring. You are speak with precision and care.
Bernie Sanders does not have to pull President Obama in a humane direction. I am not a fan Sanders at all.
Precisely Anniebella!!!
President Obama was born with a solid humane sensitivity gene firmly in place!!!
He needs no lectures from Bernie Sanders and especially since Bernie has joined up with the loud mouths who have done more damage to the President in his ability to rally support for what ironically, is mostly what they say is their cause!!!
A President is only as good and effective as the SUPPORT he has to move an agenda forward, and when his support is eaten away at by the very same people who then turn around and demand and blame him for not working miracles, it is galling!!!
Point well taken, Tally. I have nothing against Sanders. His independent voice is needed in the Democratic caucus to counter balance the blue to red dogs who still have a “D” by their name. I just hope he will help break the final filibuster today or tomorrow. Default is not an option.
Bernie lost all cred with me when he voted WITH Teapug Demint to filibuster the tax cut extension deal. “Independent” my ass, he listens too much to the PL to have any credibility at all.
Well I don’t watch Jon Stewart, never have and don’t plan too.
With all due respect (and much is due to you Tally) I personally don’t have my hair on fire at all…I’m looking with actually a great deal of quite somber embarrassment as I know that the world is looking once again at a US which puts crazy people into power yet expects good results from that. I’m team PBO all the way and I couldn’t care less about what the right wing or professional left “think” about that. This said, I don’t have a lot of respect for Sanders and other purity partisans nor do I have any respect whatsoever for Stewart and other “both parties are the same” cynics. It’s just my opinion, not an overreaction, but an opinion created from a significant period of observing these two political actors and many others like them. I definitely think that waiting to put things into context is a very important point, but as to Sanders and Stewart, it is what it is, and my opinion of these two gentlemen is simply poor. /Kanye West shrug, lol
Dems ignoring Sanders on the floor. Good.
I am not surprised but very disappointed with Sanders the wineries. I guess he will be on the tv wining again.
Here we go again!
Ok…Reid just voted no, which gave Sanders cover. So the filibuster will continue, as negotiations continue. Time is almost out.
From Dan Pfeiffer:
“Despite all the reporting, no deal has been reached, there are still impt issues to work out, and a lot of bad info is floating out there”
Hey Guys, Reid voted no on cloture of his bill, because he knew that there weren’t enough votes to stop the filibuster and he wants to be able to call it up again. So don’t freak out. 🙂
You are right, but losing Manchin (WV), Nelson (Nebraska) worries me. They probably want more concessions from the Dems, not less (Sanders). This suggests to me that the strength of the filibuster is going to be tough to overcome. Time is of the essence here. The next vote will be crucial. Remember, the Senate has not even spoken about the new deal, much less voted on it.
I suspect Manchin and Nelson want fewer concessions and Sanders more. In this instance, I perceive Sanders’ vote might be similar to Russ Feingold’s vote on the Patriot Act.
Actually the vote was about ending a filibuster. It was not on the main bill. Even if Sen. Sanders intended to oppose the final Reid compromise bill, I do not understand why he, and the other conservative Democrats, joined with all the Republicans to prevent a vote on the bill. Even if they opposed the Bill they really had no reason to vote with Republicans to continue a filibuster. Republicans had the votes for the filibuster. This is the problem with Democrats: they are never united. I suppose in Sen. Sanders defense, he is not a Democrat; he is an Independent who caucuses with Democrats.
Those two Manchin and Nelson are Republicans pretending to be Democrats.
Manchin is a first rate, greasy, racist ass hole!!! The guy who ran as an independent against him would have been a much better Democrat in my opinion!!!
I’ll take my reporting from the WH….thanks for dispelling the lies and myths Dan.
Me too. They believed the worst rumors at BWD. The sentiment about POTUS – very depressing. Usually I come to the sister blogs for reassurance, today I think I’ll go feel the sun on my face instead and wait for word from the WH.
Whoever thought they were going to be left cheering over something so difficult as confronting our debt. President Obama did not create it but he is responsible for dealing with it.
My background is Psych, not politics. What makes me infinitely sad is the scapegoating that will occur. From all sides. Scapegoating is what created my family’s being wiped out in the Holocaust. It is NOT rational. But deeply unhappy people are not rational. I get the Three Branches of Gov’t framework, and even I get tempted to IFONLYOBAMA…logical or not. Suerte.
I had no idea that they caved on BWD. My god, what is wrong with people. My prediction is that nothing will pass so Obama can use the 14th amendment. This whole ordeal is fake opera. I really believe that the dems want to make it clear that no matter what is offered, the
pukes will not take it.
Not caving per se. But it seems like the general feeling there is the rumors are true: the deal s awful.
So right. At this point, except for a very few sites, most have thrown PBO under the bus. Truthfully, I think they are going to feel pretty stupid within the next two days. I think the dems are playing this very well. It seems they are falling a part somewhat due to negative feedback from their supporters. Stiffen your spines you idiots. Do what is right. See the game through.
How are you?
dorothyrissman, this kind of talk is the very reason this President had to try to deal with those crazy ass Tea-Republicans. It’s the very reason there is Speaker Boehner, instead of Speaker Pelosi. If these people who have so much to say now, if they had got out and vote in 2010 ,the President would have had people to work with him to try to get things done. But these people got mad, they didn’t come out to vote in 2010, so the disappointment should be in themselves for not turning out to vote.
Where are all the supporters that all week have been calling and standing with the President? All of a sudden they have lost their trust in President Obama. Complete disconnect. This deal isn’t down. Does anyone recognize and acknowledge who and what is standing in our way….it is not the President. Don’t turncoat now.
It ‘s the acceptance of smoke signals and rumors and responding to them. Ie, what we criticize the PL for. Some poster reminded us about Obama’s ability to think long term. Nothing is over even if the worst happens today. Unless we turn on him in 2012 . Then, it WlLL be over.
It’s like being in an looney bin. And when it is over if past is prologue, President Obama will have delivered cunningly and in the best interests of all Americans. Things will simmer down, and they will give him a day or two of credit , and then look for another stick to begin beating him around the head with.
I am calmed today by something I learned about President Lincoln. I am no historian….this came through a documentary on the National Portrait Gallery, Hall of Presidents…President Lincoln incured much the same level of vitirol and disdain from the public, from both sides. Now we recognize him as one of our greatest Presidents. I believe Barack Obama will be right up on the list with him when all is said and done. I refuse to lose faith in him.
Another interesting quote, which I will muck up. This was on The Colbert Report. Guest was a woman writer who had just published a tome about the media. She stated that the media is brutal on new Presidencies, including Reagan’s. And I add that it seems much worse now, because of the sheer volume of noise out there, as conduits increase.
Obama does not want to screw over the elderly or persons in need. That is a given, and we proceed from there.
I appreciate your input, Sue, on this rough day. Namaste.
I suppose they are testing his mettle. Our WH press pool is really, really slow….if they haven’t figured out President Obama’s tensile strength by now……I would have to say they are not the sharpest tools in the box.
If they had any self respect they would close the obstacle course and concentrate on real reporting.
Ditto. You are correct, but Lincoln and many who followed him were lucky. 24 hour news and blogs have changed everything. The only thing on tv was Cronkite for one hour a night. The media is destroying our culture and country.
They certainly are a potent force. We talk often around our household about what seems to us to be a prevailing trend, the general immaturity, especially emotional and dysfunction in our culture. Probably too broad a brushstroke, but we would love to see a lot more research being done into the workings of the human mind. IMO, we know more about outer space and our universe than we do about our own minds. The alternate realities that seem to be able to take hold in this culture are mind bending. Rush Limbaugh case in point.
Well, let’s keep In mund, that PBO Is not our Savior, He Is being used by our LOrd and Savior Jesud Christ. My trust Is In God, our LOrd and Savior. I believe It just maybe like the ChildrenOf Israel crossoing the Red Sea. God’s got this, and the whole world In his hands. I’m not listening to the debates, because God’s got this. I pray about the debates, and Congress, and the Republicans and the Democrats. we ALL belong to God even our Government Officials. Even the people who are trying to do the right thing, and even the people that meane us harm and danger. We ALL belong to him, therefore I do what I can, I talk to the Lord about our troubles, and facing a dissaster. God will NEVER leave or forsake us, but we must pray and believe, trust, lean and depend on him, and HIM ALONE. Calm down everyone, and please pray, prya, pray 🙂
Sue in Minnesota, I for one have not lost my trust in the President. I am still supporting him. I believe he will do what is best for this country, so have no fear this President still has my support !00%. I believe he is trying to do what is best for this country.
I am with you anniebella, I am sticking with him like white on rice and all that continue to support him.
Glad to hear that Sue.
I totally trust President Obama to do what he can for the best for America. He has my support 100%.
count me in that number anniebella. I have PO’s back 100%.
Annie there are a LOT of us!!! The silent majority who totally trust and support this phenomenal President we elected!!!
No amount of propaganda or attacks can or will change that!!! If anything, the more they attack him, the more vocal and intense my support for him!!!
I trust and support President Obama completely and NOTHING will ever change that!!!
Sorry about the typos.
I just feel for our President having to go through this BS with no real help from his party. This could have been avoided if the Dems had just had his back over the last 2 1/2 years.
POO, this could have been avoided if the Ed Shultz/Rachel Maddow/Keith Olbermann/Jane Hamsher PL lunkheads hadn’t been saying that PBO is a sellout who bends over to Republicans.
And now they want to blame their incompetence and selfishness on PBO. Very shameful.
I feel for him too, always. Hard not to when you have so much respect and admiration for what he is willing to slog through on our behalf.
I am going to donate some more money, not that I have much, but I am sure every little bit will help.
clean. muthafucking. bill.
that is all.
I posted this on the previous thread, thought I would repost…….
I haven’t looked at any news programs today because I decided to wait for the final deal.
I was listening to the Rev Al’s radio show on my drive home from church this morning and for those who think that the AA are unaware to what is going on, then they don’t have their ears to the ground. Every caller that called into the show spoke with one accord when saying that this president has been treated like no other president before him. They also spoke on the fact that it is intentional that republicans are trying to make the economy as worse as possible. They also talked about those on the left who have betrayed this president. There were also discussions regarding the criticisms leveled at the Rev, and as he said I will paraphrase “there are those who are show room activists, and then there are real activists who actually put their feet on the ground”.
They also spoke about people staying home in 2012 and said that we didn’t give the president the help he needed and we only have ourselves to blame.
I will not allow myself to feel discourage because despite what you’re hearing from the MSM they haven’t a clue to the depth at which people really understand what is actually going on.
Rev Al gets it, that’s why HuffNPuff are attempting to swiftboat him with lies and baseless attacks. They want useless Cenk Uygar back who didn’t do shit but complain about PBO being a rightwing Republican DLC corporatist Wall street sellout.
And this brings up a very important point: a lot of PBO’s critics don’t want to lift a finger and make a difference. PBO has gotten a lot of things accomplished that a lot of the PL wouldn’t know where to begin, let alone get done.
This also reminds me about Jon St. Making fun of the president about asking people to call and make their views known. He said something like, so we have to do it for you. Are you incapable of doing it yourself?
Jo Stewart can eff himself.
Well Jon Stewart is the one suffering from disconnect. President Obama among all other things is trying to empower the people to claim and use their voice responsibly. That means action. I co-sign Stewart can go fuck himself.
Excuse my english, but to HELL with Jon Stewart. That man ain’t nothing but a two bit comedian, so “F” Stewart.
Oh anniebella, now I need to apologize for mine. You are a good influence. I also want to add, Jon Stewart is not funny, not IMO.
Stephen Colbert on the other hand I think is genuis.
I have the world’s biggest crush on Stephen. When he breaks charcater and that grin sneaks through…Jon Stewart is all schtick at this point. And mean and lazy. Last week the Reporrrr was positively a balm for me. SC seems to appreciate science as well, a welcome change from politics all the time. And when he crashed that 5000 robot…
I see such a good and open heart as well in Colbert. Just my opinion, but I think a finely tuned wit is the sign of high intelligence.
Of course in this neighborhood smart is always ‘sexy’.
Well, PBO didn’t put the teabags into office, so it’s the job of the voters to contact Congress,that’s the whole point of a representative democracy. Jon Stewart can stick it where the sun don’t shine.
correction: that should have been 2010 and discouraged not discourage.
This is good news, it is going to be up to us to counter the propoganda of the MSM. I also think after this debacle is resolved no one can give the Republicans a pass, they have been actively persuing one agenda, usurping the powers of this President , the voices of those that fairly elected him, and the well being of all Americans for whom he has given his sworn oath to serve and protect.
bjw, Thank you for sharing that. It is enough to make me weep. This is unbearable what the far left and the wing nuts are doing to PBO.
I get you bjw2. I don’t know any AA person in my little red district here that doesn’t think this way. I remember a while back when I went to the local police station to get my fingerprints done, the woman who did it was AA. I was carrying my “Barack Obama” backpack. She came real close to me and whispered that she “love”[d] my bag. Then she said something to the fact (paraphrasing) — can you believe the way they are treating him?”
I have had similar conversations with AAs in my cohort when I was in school, and some AA professors, I encountered on campus as well. They are all appalled at the way PBO is being treated. And it is not just AA. I take every opportunity I get to try to hear what people are thinking. As much as some people try their best to sow ugly seeds about this president, they will not succeed.
This too, shall pass.
Africa – speak the truth and shame the devil. Totally co sign on this foolishness. AAs ain’t falling for the hype. There is NO President who has worked harder for the American people than PO. No one.
It is appalling the way they treat him. Both sides. The hatred is irrational, it’s visceral, no one is going to convince me that there’s no racism in their behavior. it’s disgusting.
This is O/T but it reminds me of my friend Johnny. When I was young, my 2 brothers and I were always together with some other friends. We were maybe 6-7 kids always playing together. One of these friend was Johnny, he was black, always smiling, so much fun and was the little star of the group. We were fascinated by him, not because he was black, kids are colorblind unless the parents are racists, but we were fascinated by him because he spoke English and he had an English name, for little french kids who couldn’t understand a word when he spoke to his mother, we thought it was the coolest thing ever! We used to camp out in the backyard pretty much every nights during summer. Everyone used to bring their sleeping bag.
One day a neighbor came over, I was next to my mother, she said to her: I hope you’re going to air out his sleeping bag (pointing at Johnny), it must stink to high heaven, YUCK.
I remember being so upset and I kept saying to my mother: It’s not true Mom, Johnny doesn’t stink.it’s not true”. My mother comforted me when the racist neighbor left, which was 2 minutes after, my mother was mad, and told me that of course he didn’t and she used words to made me understand that what that neighbor said was ignorant and so wrong and that we should never judge someone by what they look like, we were like a rainbow, all beautiful.
After that, every time Johnny came over, I always said to him : Johnny you smell good, you smell so good” and he used to reply: Why are you saying that?.
I was so young, I didn’t know better, I wanted to protect him, it was my way to tell him: if someone tell you that you stink, it’s not true”.
Something I will never forget, it’s probably the reason why I am so protective of President Obama, racists make me want to vomit, I can’t put it into words how I feel about them.
God Bless You ChristiMtl. You are a beautiful spirit.
Christi, thank you for sharing your warm story with us. It is true, children are most influenced by their primary caregivers. God bless your Mother. You turned out alright. 🙂
ps – are you still telling Johnny he smells good? 😀
I have often wondered how I escaped being wired for such an insidious influence as racism and bigotry. I am not sure, but I am grateful…life is to short to hate, people are so full of promise, and the world is so full of wonder. I told my Dad I needed money to fly to Washington DC when Martin Luther KIng rallied the million man march. I think my Dad feel off his chair. I was insistent, and pretty full of myself for a 2nd or 3rd grader, I wanted to right the wrongs. I have always thought despite the fact that there are no guarantees that life will be fair, it remains an individual responsibility to strive to be so.
Guess we better keep our puke bags close, because we have got a long, long way to go. Let’s keep moving forward.
Namaste
I am so sick of bigots. At times, I feel center that this country will not dramatically change until people of color represent more than 50% of the population. I know the racists are working toward that not happening, but I sure as Hell hope it happens soon.
“showroom activists” is now in my online vocab
Thank you BJW2…glad to hear that everyone is aware:-)
Hey everyone chill out. Sit back and relax because I feel everything is going to be ok.
This is a song that is good for every situation.
Thanks bjw2 have always love this. 😀 😀 😀
You’re quite welcome Doris.
Sorry but the video did not download but it’s an old throw back which still rings true for today.
Ooh Child by the Five Stairsteps
If you click on the youtube icon, you can go straight to them to get it. That’s what I did. I get blocked by my IE so I have go to youtube. It takes this old lady back, way back. 😀
OOOOOH, thaks bj. This is a 1971 classic from a very gifted musical family. Here is the coresponding Youtube video of a live perfomance they did on a Variety show in the early 70’s. Enjoy I like to put a face with the music 😀 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RDW__oo9JU
The Fro takes me too far back Keith, but thanks. 😀
Oh Doris, we have to stay forever young in our hearts.
Did you tell your Mom she was our hero yesterday?
Yes, I did and she was THRILLED that you guys would think of her as a hero. She mine of course. I read your comments to her and she laughed. She ‘s so modest. She is in rural MD, doesn’t have a computer or the internet, but she knows what’s gping on. Thank you guys so much for your kind responses. Love you. 😀
Love you back and your Mom too. Mom’s are the best! A little saying in our house: Mom cheers loudest, prays hardest, worries most, knows best. I used to remind my Mom that all the time, she appreciated it.
LOL! NO prob Doris!! LOL! 😆
@ Bjw2…What radio station does Al Sharpton come on? I would like to listen to him on Sunday’s because I can’t stomach any of these Sunday television shows. Does he stream on line??
My local station is 98.8 in Columbus, Ohio and that’s the same radio station Tom Joyner is aired on.
I think it’s aired at 9:00 am local time.
bj…..WHY HAVEN’T YOU TOLD ME YOU LIVE HERE IN MY TOWN OF RESIDENCE?? OMG!! A FELLOW BUCKEYE (I ASSUME YOU ARE A BUCKEYES FAN :wink:) I listen to 98.8 daily for my R&B oldies. We have got to get personal info shared. You know I work for the local OFA and am teetering on becoming a Neighborhood Teamleader again for the 2012 campaign. I live on the Eastside of Columbus. Boy, What a small world. 😀
Get out of town Keith, I also live on the Eastside in the Berwick area….well shut the front door!
If you become a teamleader I will definately be available to help out.
😯 My sister just bought a house in Berwick on the street of the same name. I live just 10 min to 15 minutes away (depending on traffic) off of Brice and Refugee roads, just past Noe Bixby. I will let you know about my neighborhood organizing.
Hi fellow Buckeyes!! a small bit of correction: the radio station is Magic 98.9 for Columbus Ohio and yes Rev Al comes on at 9.00 a.m every sunday. today’s show was intense!
Yes, you are correct….I don’t know why I typed 98.8…I meant 98.9.
I know everyone is on edge, but this from Sullivan http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2011/07/all-over-but-the-trigger.html cheered me up.
Yes, it’s Tapper the jerk, but unfortunately he gets info others don’t.
Read it over. See what you think. If it’s true, then PBO gets the best out of an unnecessarily bad situation.
Analysis from Sully: http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2011/07/all-over-but-the-trigger.html
At least from this reporting, the deal seems to be not awful. Defense comes in for the harshest cuts. If Medicare gets triggered, it’s the providers who take the hit, not the beneficiaries. SS isn’t even mentioned. And there are plenty of incentives for the super committee to get its act together. I will now return to lurking for today and watching pre-season futbol.
Thanks DTTM and LL. Shared this at OFA.
Hey – are you going to the PBO BDAY party on Wed? at Spot 5750?
Oh, probably not. I’m pretty much a homebody on a worknight. But I will make an extra donation to OFA on his birthday! Are you going?
Not sure. Hollywood might as well be Guam – even though it’s only 15min from Burbank. I was hoping it was this side of the hill. I just hate the fucked up parking over there.
so – maaaaaaaybe. Maybe if LOD promises to buy me some Champagne. 😉
Lisa – I’ll tell him how fab you are. Promise. And that he has all ta hawt wimins fightin over him like a cheezeberger. 😀
Tally, Tally, Tally….still messing with my man 😕
LibLib do you have a twiiter name So I can follow you? Thanks.
I don’t twitter. I keep thinking about doing it, but I’m afraid that if I did I’d get nothing else done.
Well, I do understand that . While that is also my concern, I figured, I at least needed to learn how. I know now that I’m not going to be tweeting all the time. but it does seem to be a fascinating way to take the pulse of a topic. So far, I’ve just kinda lurked around a bit.
@Bjw2 Thanks I found 98.8 online and put it in my favorites 🙂 I love Tom Joyner, but he isn’t on here Sacramento , CA. I try to catch his show sometimes (when I am up very early) through tunein.com online.
Great commentary fron Booman over at the “frog pond””
ETA: Or what Booman Says:
I have heard people say that entitlments have to be deal with, if we are to get out debt under control. What does that mean? I don’t know but maybe the President and the people he has in charge knows. I’m still in the President”s corner.
SS isn’t part of the debt problem but I believe there is an issue with solvency. Some argue that it won’t happen for a couple of decades but I’d rather a Democrat deal with it now than a Republican. Medicare/Medicaid – definitely have to be fixed because they are very expensive. Again, I’d prefer a Dem take a scalpel to this than a Republican who will amputate the patient over a paper cut.
Really, I just remember all the times Obama told Democrats to take care of certain issues while they have the opportunity and most of them begging for more time or voting against doing anything only to end up having to deal with them now with whack jobs running half of Congress. And I remember how the left wanted to kill ACA and take it up later. Its “later” and look who we would have been dealing with had we waited to take care of ACA.
I am glad that everyone here is still upbeat and holding on to trust and belief, waiting for the final word before all of the hand-wringing and doomsaying and second guessing. I have not been commenting during this crisis because there has been so much of that at BWD and some of it has crept in here on occasion. Nothing is over until it is over and even then there may be a time for change in the future. The past is done; we lost the mid-terms of 2010, but another election is coming soon. Fewer people than many of you think watch the pundits and fewer of them are actually influenced by them when it comes to voting. Some commenters give them more credit and power than they deserve or actually wield. The current crop of republican governors and members of congress who have over-reached will rue the day ( some are doing so now as a result of the various law suits and other push-backs) during the next election cycle because those who were blind now really see and there will be a different outcome.
Keep the faith and keep the calls etc. going. Speculation and rumor-mongering are exercises in futility. Let’s wait with patience for the final word from the president.
ditto.
Double Ditto 🙂
Triple ditto. So much common sense in your comment, I should Bookmark it.
WELL SAID Ceb!
Lets keep up our calling campaign, twitter, et al……..Jobs Speaker Boehner, where are the jobs you ran on …….when can we expect your promise to be made whole? We are watching and waiting, and no longer patient.
quadruple DITTO Ceb! 😉
LOL and in other news…The quitter’s movie is at the bottom of the barrel
to be exact she’s #55, losing almost 80% from last weekend Box Office…..lol (I think we all need a good laugh)
55 The Undefeated (2011) ArcEnt $5,200 -78.9% 4 -10 $1,300 $112,200 – 3
Mention her name and I devolve into the hateful person I really don’t want to be. But being that I will enjoy the laugh at her expense.
I love it when HZ says, “woman be gone.”
Where is HZ, I always worry just a little bit about her.
bj please respond to my post please, THANKS!!!
Sorry Keith but I had company so I was away from the computer for a while…..but I responded up thread to your first post.
I live also live on the eastside of town in the Berwick area and I will be gladly join your OFA team.
I agree we have to exchange info.
OSU area here
Do you already belong to a OFA team?
not yet. but was working on a small group to push up the number of immigrant voters. i will get in touch with you guys and we can see how we can join efforts for OFA
Great guys. I already work with OFA. I have since PBO was elected and I worked on helping pass ACA and recently worked on getting sigs to overturn Senate Bill no. 5 by our Dictator Governor Kasich. Wow……3 Buckeyes here in the TOD family. Can’t beat that!! 😉
This kind of lays it bear: http://cdn.crooksandliars.com/files/vfs/2011/07/nyt_debt_by_prez_lg.jpg
I’m still not sure why the poutrage yet. If we get 50% or close in Defense cuts in the trigger, then that’s way more than we usually get. The President already has a freeze in spending in this year’s budget. We do need revenues, but just letting the Bush tax cuts expire in 2012, which can happen whether the President wins or losses in 2010, will half the deficit.
Medicare providers are already supposed to be cut from the 80’s and they get saved with the current Congress ‘fixing’ (recinding) the cut every year. I think they can be cut. Does it really cost $800 for one test? I doubt it.
From Andrew Sullivan, via Jake Tapper: http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2011/07/all-over-but-the-trigger.html
[quote]There are now debates on how deep defense spending would be cut compared with programs for the poor. But it’s perfectly possible we’ll see the deepest defense cuts in memory. Revenues?
Democrats say –- if tax reform doesn’t happen through the super-committee, President Obama will veto any extension of Bush tax cuts when they come up at the end of 2012, further creating an incentive for the super-committee to act.[/quote]
Defense contractors are due for a massive cut. The soldier sure doesn’t get all the money Defense spends. The cost of medical service is also too high. If they bear the brunt, I can live with that. I’m sure the question is what other programs would be cut in the trigger. But since we don’t know that yet, I don’t see the point of the poutrage.
One of the big issues with Medicare has been in the ways providers have been paid with “fee for service” which encouraged unnecessary tests and larger fees. This led to many abuses that still go on in the system. Changing this to “fee for patient” means for example, that if you go to the doctor for your gall bladder, they won’t be able to give you a CT brain scan just to pad the bill out. (probably not the best example but I hope you see what I mean) This will save millions, probably billions in the long run. This is where PBO wants to do the cutting, not on making Medicare patients pay more but in making providers more accountable and cutting out excessive profits. I’m not just talking through my hat here. At one time I worked, briefly, in a hospital where Medicare was a golden cash cow that was vigorously milked.
The other problem that seems to be being addressed is the appalling drug costs. I could have screamed when Bush did his part D “drug benefit” which took away Medicare’s ability to set costs and bargain for the best prices for it’s patients. I’m not sure how accurate this number is but I read that the elderly account for about 67% of all regular prescription use. That’s a lot of $$$$$ for big Pharma. Fortunately the VA got exempted from this and they do bargain for and get the best prices on drugs for their patients.
These are some important things to remember that you can share with anyone you know who is scared about their Medicare benefits. I think we will see Medicare much improved and costs go down.
Hope this helps.
Aquagranny911, thanks for your comments. This is what the President said to us in many speeches. So thanks for reminding us of these points to share with those who may have questions when they read or hear this. I have seen many, many cases where the DOJ has cracked and won the caes on Medicare fruad. I receive the news from them weekly on the cases they have won. You can sign up on the DoJ website and check those things that are of interest to you, and they will keep you abreast of the progress. So I believe the Attorney General, Eric Holder has his orders to work these cases and the DOJ is doing a great job. POB knows what he wants to accomplish. You remember how he said, “Shortly after taking office as President, I called Leon Panetta into the Oval Office and told him that I wanted all the necessary forces to make it a priority to get OBL.” They did it, didn’t they. We must listen to POB more carefully whenever possible. Thanks again Aquagranny911.HZ
If you want to remain anonymous that is fine bj. We can communitcate via TOD. Great to see another Ohioan in the TOD family. 😉
Hey Keith I responded up thread.
Gotcha bjw2. Please forgive my excitement and repetitiveness. I saw where you had company and was away from you computer. Thanks for responding. I will be keeping in touch.
Next up: JOBS BILL!!!!!!
We can do this!
Breathe http://immasmartypants.blogspot.com/2011/07/looking-for-long-game.html
Just skipping in to let you guys know that there´s not just people in the US thinking the president is doing a good job on this. I have been following the negotiations and all this very closely for the last two weeks or so and am on my toes to see the final deal which I have no doubt is just a few hours away. So heads up for that wonderful president of yours. 🙂 ~Nili from Germany
Many thanks:) The only adult in the room deserves a hug from the WORLD!
Thanks so much your comment. It made my day!
Thanks Nili for your beautiful comments.HZ
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/actor-kal-penns-final-thoughts-leaving-white-house/story?id=14189771
I thought this was a great interview, even though it’s Tapper.
According the Reuters there’s a deal. Sen. Reid hopes to vote on it this evening.
breaking: Dem leaders are all in pelosi’s office, i’m told. and everyone has signed off on deal. waiting on Boehner.
37 minutes ago from TweetDeck
IAM WAITING TO HEAR FROM THE WH fOR CONFIRMATION.
NOW THAT’S A LEADER!!!!!!!!!!!
what Booman Says:
That nails it. Elections have consequences, and we’re suffering through the effects of the last one. Anyone who thought that somehow all of these insane fools could be elected and not feel any sort of pain from it, after having “taught” President Obama a lesson was fooling themselves. And conversely, having all the faith in the world in President Obama doesn’t mean that he can perform miracles. For many of the TP’ers in the Republican Caucus, default was a perfectly fine outcome, and no one, not Wall Street or any of their so-called caucus leaders hold any sway.
I just want the whole thing to be over.
Remember that despicable Barack the Magic Negro stunt pulled by the RNC….seems many on our left allowed that to insidiously infuse into their brains. Where is their perspective, their sense of reality? They seem to think he has a magic wand….it’s unreasonable and unfair.
Even if you don’t agree with every thing in the deal. Lets stand with Obama and not throw him under the bus. Lets stay focus on the long haul not the short term. You can’t always get what you want, Rome was not Build in a day, Lets take the deal and keep fighting for a better tomorrow. Keep hope alive.
TIMT has a great post up
You Can’t Demoralize Me By Your Blame-Obama-For-Everything Narrative
http://www.thepeoplesview.net/2011/07/you-cant-demoralize-me-by-your-blame.html
CNN – BREAKING – Sen. Harry Reid signs off on a debt ceiling agreement reached with President Obama, GOP leaders, pending caucus approval
Elections do have consequences. Some folks really “taught” the President a lesson but really end up hurting themselves and others. I too want this to be over as well. And I think the possible credit downgrade was first and foremost on the President’s mind. There’s a lot of anger in the blogosphere right now but you can’t allow economic terrorists to be elected to come in without consequences. And for those that are wanting to primary Obama to bring him down in 2012, you will hurt the progressive cause and Democratic leadership for at least the next ten years. Also, I remember before the 2010 midterms when the President came out in September I think with repealing the Bush tax cuts as a major campaign point. Pelosi and particularly Reid said no because there were tough races that they thought they could win—well, we know the outcome and now all of this has piled on the President now. One crisis after another from poor decisions from the Dems and then craziness on the right that wants total chaos. The short term noise will be brutal folks, but history will be very kind to this President, very kind indeed.
And I have to add that I feel surprisingly calm. A little tired but very calm. Even though I haven’t heard the deal and it hasn’t even passed yet I’m doing good. The President doesn’t just have our economy on his shoulders to think about but the whole world’s.
i also feel calm and it’s probably because my mind hasn’t been infiltrated by the MSM all day….. 🙂 🙂
Mines ethier bjw2.
We are a calm family, and that is the respect that I will always give Chipsticks who made this a beautiful haven for us to come to each day. So I also understand the comments about feeling calm. Thank you all for stating that. So I hope that we will respect that in all that we do. When and if I get out of line, I want to be called on it. But I think that Chipsticks deserve the respect on her site here. I speak in sincere love. HZ
I wish Democrats would come together and work to get rid of as many Republicans as we can get rid of in 2012. Put Pelosi back in as Speaker, and give Reid more Senate seats.
I’m feeling skeptical about the House and Senate races.
It’s a given that most of the House Teapugs will be thrown out, but I still feel that the Republicans will maintain the House, by a razor thin majority.
As for the Senate races, I feel that Republicans may very well end up taking most of them seeing as a lot of the seats on the Democratic side are in play because they are seats in right wing red states that happen to lean towards the (R)s. We can’t pull an Ed Shultz and lobby a radical Democrat in a lot of them, we’ll have to fight to get a moderate and sane Democrat elected in these red state Senate seats that are in play.
🙄 Thanks ninetendo. Some more optimism from the BASE. SIGH!
I’m just being realistic and pointing out the stakes. We have at least 20 Senate seats to win, and a majority of them are in red states, do you think it will be a cakewalk to win them all especially seeing as they are in red states that are leaning Republican?
Also they may go Repub just for the fact that the PL will spend and dedicate their time to primarying these bluedog Senate Democrats with Dennis Kucinich type Democrats, just like what happened with Blanche Lincoln. Just pointing out a disappointing and stark reality to the challenges that lie ahead: not just getting PBO re-elected, but winning the House back and keeping the Senate.
Well according to DWS we are PRIMED and ready to take back the House. I am staying optimistic. But with what you are saying I guess we might as well prepare ourselves for a Facscist Dictatorship. If this happens think I will move to Canada for my Senior years of life. 😦
Okay Nintendowii10, none of that speculative crap here!!!
We here are laser-focused on positive team building!!!
You can take your “realistic, pointing out the stakes” crap back to BWD’s or wherever the heck this sort of psychological warfare is served up as “being realistic/not keeping heads in the sand”!!!
Most of us come here to get away from this speculative nonsense and to direct our energy to POSITIVELY coming up with and implementing actions that will reverse and or destroy what we already know is out there!!!
So, ENOUGH!!!
Thanks Eleroy. I really appreciate your comments. Please let us stay focus on the positive energy of what we must do on this site. We have to build a positive team for the job ahead. That is plain and simple. I love each of you, however, I really believe that we can come together and discuss but the speculations not now. How we build our team within this family will determine our focus, get ou the votes from, explain the facts of what our this President and his Administration has done, and get to the polls in 2012 are the goals in my mind. Love you all back so much.HZ
Excuse the mistakes. I can’t see, and my hands are shaking. I apologize.
I know in 2009 we had that, but people were so quick to vote the bums out cause things weren’t getting done as fast as they wanted it too.So they allow those crazy ass Tea Republicans to take control of the House. I have no doubt that if Pelosi were speaker, they would be working on some kind of job bill.
Don’t care for Craig Crawford, but he has interesting column on why President Obama won the debt deal. Makes a lot of sense.
“The President got what he most wanted, postponing another debt ceiling fight until after the election and without politically damaging entitlement cuts.
Everything else is eye wash. Most of the spending cuts are in the out years, which is another way of saying it won’t happen.
And one more committee to study cuts? Oh please, even if they call it a “super” committee that’s always a Capitol Hill euphemism for doing nothing. Adding so-called triggers for cuts if goals aren’t met also means nothing. Remember Gramm-Rudman?
Giving up tax increases on the wealthy is probably Obama’s biggest concession, but that fight lives for another day when the Bush cuts are scheduled to expire later on.
Even if liberals beat up the President for this deal, he wins. Nothing would help him more in his obvious effort to move to the center and appeal to independent voters for reelection.”
http://craigcrawford.com/
The President got what he most wanted, postponing another debt ceiling fight until after the election and without politically damaging entitlement cuts.
Everything else is eye wash. Most of the spending cuts are in the out years, which is another way of saying it won’t happen.
And one more committee to study cuts? Oh please, even if they call it a “super” committee that’s always a Capitol Hill euphemism for doing nothing. Adding so-called triggers for cuts if goals aren’t met also means nothing. Remember Gramm-Rudman?
Giving up tax increases on the wealthy is probably Obama’s biggest concession, but that fight lives for another day when the Bush cuts are scheduled to expire later on.
http://craigcrawford.com/2011/07/why-obama-won-debt-deal/
Sorry I forget to put up a link for my comment up.
And what he did in the process, I believe, he brought that issue to light. Now many Americans know that Republicans are refusing to give up one penny for the wealthy.
I posted here the other day that the nightly poll question had to do with subsidies for the oil companies. Many of the respondents were in favor of eliminating those subsidies for the oil companies.
When the president gets in real campaign mode, we will have lots of video and information to remind people. Then if they decide to stay with the Republicans, it will be on them.
I am sick and tired of these petulant PLs who claim they are tired with this man, calling him some of the vilest names, because they think they can intitimidate people with their votes. For me, if they don’t want to vote for this president, let them vote for the Republicans.
In a few years they will be the same ones screaming that Roe vs. Wade is being repealed, DADT, where do I start.
Enough is enough.
I support this president and believe like another commenter over at BWD said, if he was not at the table one can only imagine the alternative.
No Progressive legislation has an opportunity to be repealed until after 2016. PBO is going to get re-elected. We must claim that.
Wow this just pisses me the hell off. TPM has decided to replay the PUMA wars of 2008. They have a post up from one of the editors titled “Buyer’s Remorse” and they are asking people to send them emails
@TPM Talking Points Memo
This has absolutely nothing to do with being an O-bot, I just want to know WTWH is the fuckin’ point of whole shoulda, woulda coulda BS? Does TPM needs page views that badly? Or has everybody in the liberal blogosphere gone fuckin’ crazy?
Hah, like Hillary Clinton would have been a “more liberal” President than PBO. PUH-LEEAZE! These Clintoncrats are REALLY getting on my last nerve!!! Bill Clinton did more and more to sell out progressive ideals than PBO has, and these TPM clowns are fools for even putting ANY question out there about “President” Hillary handling anything without Bill butting in. It was Bill’s meddling that was largely to blame for Hillary losing to PBO during the primaries, these Clintoncrats need to get a clue, their time and relevance in politics is OVER!!!
I want to tell these people at TPM, if the Progressives had come out to vote in 2010, chances are we would have still had a Speaker Pelosi. And all those crazy ass Tea-Republicans wouldn’t be in office. Think about that when you want to blame President Obama for everything. No they want to think Bill and Hillary were Gods. But let’s remember their beloved Clinton made cuts to Medicare..
lamh34, you know what I would tell me, if I could. If the progressives had gotten it’s butts out to vote in 2010, the President wouldn’t had to be dealing with these radical Republicans.
LOL….these people are just as nutty as the t-baggers.
I really would prefer NOT to see TPM here. Their articles does nothing but STIR UP MORE DRAMA.
Why are you Lamh34 then helping them by posting their links here???
The only thing me has to say is Obama/Biden 2012! AND donate $50 if you can to celebrate our president’s B-day! https://donate.barackobama.com/page/contribute/o2012-donate-main
Yep. I’m hosting a house party in his honor. I’m so psyched.
Good evening everyone. I have been thinking some about all of these people who now say that they no longer support the President. I think I am glad they are really coming out. We do not need them because they were never real supporters any how. They were only there because they thought that they could control President Obama and get to what they want the quickest through him. They feel that everything that they believe is right for everyone just like the teabaggers. We, the real POB supporters, do not need them. They will only hold us back and ruin things when we do win and walk into that promise. The story in the Bible where the Isrealites are getting ready to take the promised land and the spies come back and two were very negative and said we can’t take it they are giants and only one said yeah there are giants but we have God on our side so we will win. Also before the battle God narrowed Joshua’s army down. He got rid of the scared people, the people with other agendas and the ones who definantly did not have his back. So I say to you all let those that are talking all this CRAP move on. We do not need them! They were never with us or a part of us in the first place. Just remember that everyone cannnot go with you when it is time for a blessings because they bring all of that poison with them and ruin it.
Thanks for your comments, FTL. We will continue to need a well fill with good energy to fill our hearts and minds in order to support our President. Thank you for this reminder. HZ
A lot of them are PUMAS who are mad because PBO defeated Hillary in the 2008 primaries, and in their minds she was the only rightful person to be President because they are nostalgic for the Bill Clinton years. A lot of them are Ron Paul libertarians, and a lot of them are anarchists who want to overthrow the government.
We don’t need that kind of insanity in our party. PBO has always campaigned on running practical and sane government, meaning governing from the middle. And he has governed from the middle, which makes these PL mad. They project an agenda onto him that he never campaigned on or promised, and then have the nerve to call him a two faced right wing Republican DLC corporatist Wall street lying POS… no different from the Teapugs if you ask me.
If this is the deal, we can live with this:
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/07/reid-agrees-to-major-debt-limit-deal—-heres-what-hes-signed-off-on.php?ref=fpa
Here’s some uplift!!! Sorry if this has already been posted, but even if it has, reading it a second (or third) time is cool too!! Enjoy!!
Blame Obama for the Economy.
Blame Obama for Gas Price.
Blame Obama for the Deficit.
Blame Obama for the Oil Spill and securing $20,000,000,000 from BP.
Blame Obama for the Recovery.
Blame Obama for creating 2 million plus private sectors jobs.
Blame Obama for saving the Auto Industry and making them profitable.
Here is the full blog by TimT
You Can’t Demoralize Me By Your Blame-Obama-For-Everything Narrative
Bingo. I refuse to let them get into my head with their negativity. They will not take up one inch of space in my head. I remain committed to working for President Obama. Just the thought of a Republican in the White House, even before witnessing what we saw these last past weeks, scares me into doubling my efforts to working for this man.
No, I won’t allow them to take up space in my head. They can blame this president for everything if they want, but that just dioes not square with the reality.
Thanks for the link, isonprize!
I am so glad you posted this. I had just read this at DK and wondered if someone on this site was writing under the nom de plume of ThisIsMyTime.
You’re right about its uplift. It gave me a shot in the arm. I know I’m preaching to the choir, but no matter what happens tonight, I’m feeling a greater urgency to fight hard for 2012 and to work even harder for the man I am blessed to call My President.
David Plouffe on Meet the Press on the deficit issues
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032608/vp/43961686#43961686
Seems as if they used the Framework set by PO and Boehner’s initial agreement.
Well I’m heading out to my garden to pull some weeds it’s always very therapeutic …. will check in later
I refuse to let the MSM and the PL bring me down
Obama/Biden 2012
Hillary Clinton did negotiate a helluva health care reform package back in the early 1990’s. Bill also negotiated a great deal on DADT, NAFTA was great as was Gramm-Leach. That Clinton Family is a progressive machine.
🙂 How about that!? Toads
Here’s my tweet regarding Clinton.
Allow me,If I may add:Clinton gaves us ;Nafta/DADT/DefundWelfareMedicare/Scandal.Yet he still is gets much more respect than PBO
You forgot my personal favorite, The Telecom Bill of 1996. The Clintons loved that one.
Reply
“That Clinton Family is a progressive machine.”
Thanks for the snark, StR. 🙂 I think your snark hit the nail right on the head. We all know by now that the Clinton Machine even at its peak was a far cry from progressive in many ways. We’ve seen President Obama in action for just over two and a half years now, and he has managed to put into law more progressive legislation than Clinton did in two terms.
Like others have indicated, I’m not clicking on or linking to any PL or PUMA sites spewing that “Hilliary would be more progressive” garbage.
Oh now wait a minute: they’re GREAT progressives.
On the campaign trail.
What good would it do her if she were more progressive…the point is it is the Republicans stupid. Osama Bil Laden would be so proud of the terrorism that they wreck.
Someone clue them in, their exercise is pointless. Maybe we should extend a hand to help them back to reality.
Here’s the politics of it – Dems want to raise taxes on rich to pay for the rest of the shortfall, GOP wants to cut much deeper on backs of old and poor while not raising a cent in taxes on rich.
America will decide what they want in 2012. Everything else is just noise.
Well STR seems like your cut and dry narrative for CAMPAIGN 2012 would favor PBO and the DEMS. Are only obsticles….MSM, MESSAGINNG, and VOTER DISENFRANCHISMENT (which would adversly effect Dems).
I mean messaging……. 😉
Folks if you hadn’t noticed the PL, PUMAS, and Disaffected Professional Blacks love to hear themselves BITCH, MOAN, and COMPLAIN. They are all Clintonites who never really embraced PBO. They thought PBO would be their House Nigga. Well he isn’t and this is the RESULT. Lets move on people….donate, volunteer your time, and contact your reps when you want action. We have a President to RE-ELECT!! 😀
Steadily moving toward Presidential enforcement of Section 4 of the XIVth Amendment … because no way this thing gets through the House.
Yes.We.Can. … DO.More.Together!
Why Bob? All Boner has to do is leave the Teabaggers alone and collect his moderate Rethugs and get all the Dem Caucuses to signoff along with Nancy’s help. It is crunch time and I believe they will do it.
Pelosi and the Dem Caucus will not to the heavy lifting on a bill like this. Boehner is the one who used his nutjobs to bring it to the right – he needs to deliver the votes. I can’t see Dems supplying anymore than half of their caucus. CBC is already out, Progressive Caucus will almost surely be out – combine that’s about 80 “no” votes already in the Dem caucus.
Boehner’s said to be balking at the Defense cuts trigger. Sounds more and more like this won’t get out of the House.
Posturing right now. Pelosi will have the votes but she wants factions of her caucus saying no. So does Boner. It’s all posturing.
Push come to shove, this is the deal. I think it will eventually pass but we have another day at least of this b.s.
Word currently is that the Congressional Black Caucus and the Progressive Caucus are not happy. Progressive Caucus is supposed to call a meeting tomorrow…
Combined they are about 100 members. 83 declared Progressive Caucus members and 39 in the CBC (there is sizable cross over of CBC members in the Progressive Caucus). Dems have a caucus of 193, at most Pelosi can be tasked with rounding up half her caucus – I think she could do it, as not all progressive caucus members will vote against it.
Keith – I suspect a very large number of House Dems are going to vote no. At least 100 Rs will vote no.
President Obama has been masterful in his efforts to govern democratically.
However, the reality of the situation, as you and anyone paying attention knows, is that the Radical Republican Party has intentionally extorted by holding not just the American economy but America’s stature as their hostage. That is a precedent that must be squashed.
What has also been obvious to anyone paying attention is that the Radical Republican Party is constantly overreaching. The President certainly knows it because he’s been dealing with these terrorists daily. My sense is that they will overreach one more time and Boehner has no way of containing the situation. Speaker Pelosi and the House Democratic Leadership is intentionally forcing Boehner to show his hand. No House Democratic member has any reason to vote yes if the substantial number of Republicans vote No.
That’s the scenario I consider most likely. The bill will fail in the House. The extortionists will be fully exposed. The President will enforce the Constitution. The extortionists will be crushed in 2012.
Yes.We.Can. … DO.More.Together!
🙂
Why would Pelosi get the Dem Caucus to do the Teabagger’s bidding?
I agree. all he has to do is work with the Dems.
Aw Gees — needless to say Republicans are grousing that the defense cuts in the trigger are too strong. As Brian Beutler says, that’s the POINT of a trigger, you dim wits! If you don’t want the cuts to be equal between the military and discretionary, then you better have something decided before the trigger needs to be pulled.
Idiots. Every last one of them.
Go ahead. Look ridiculously unwilling to compromise as the debt ceiling looms. Threaten to let the economy crash and burn so you don’t have to cut any wasteful military spending. Go right ahead. Go ahead with the tired line that Obama isn’t keeping the country safe. Preach THAT to a war-weary nation who say this President bring our greatest attacker to justice (unless you count Boehner’s Republican caucus). That’s how you lose the argument, you nit wits.
They are IMO the American Taliban, and somewhere in netherland OBL is smiling. Nit wits of the first order.
They are definitely morons. However, this should be the Dems line in the sand. Don’t water down the triggers for the GOP as we need them to behave reasonably in the future.
They won’t water down the trigger. I’d be really surprised if they did. This was their line in the sand. It’s bad enough that a trigger didn’t include tax increases. The bastards are lucky they got what they got. Frankly, I think it’s a win for us, even though the bill totally sucks. But from political reality, this is as good as it gets.
Of course nothing’s agreed to until everything is agreed to. There’s a teahadist on MSNBC right now that the requirement should be that the BBA PASS. Well, why don’t we just let Eric Cantor be king? Why bother to vote at all?
Total dim wits.
I think the bonus is the fact that PO will end the bush cuts. And we all know if we work hard to elect more responsible Dems next year who are willing to work with the President, they will work to close some of those tax loopholes.
Cesna wrote in his latest blog that there will be another government shutdown showdown in two months. What is that one about? I read about the gas tax lapsing, but also there could be something about a CR expiring. Anybody know?
Yes, the CR will expire. The new fiscal year begins in October. So we have another “what can we cut” debate happening just around the corner.
Couldn’t watch all the stuff today. Just too insane. Just what would those critics of my president want him to do? He was presented the TParty traitors in 2010 by all too many “democrats” who had rather spout off rhetoric than roll up their sleeves and get to work. I will NOT listen to any of them. It is always so easy to be a critic as opposed to really producing something. Its time for us to man up, cough up and get to work. Love my president. The best that has ever been.
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/07/gop-seeks-to-weaken-defense-cuts-in-key-part-of-debt-limit-deal.php?ref=fpblg
Now that he’s negotiated triggers with Medicare and Defense, the teabaggers are trying to stop their side from getting cut. This is why you don’t negotiate with economic terrorists. The more you give in, the more they’ll take from you.
The President is getting ready to speak at 8:40
President Obama to speak at 8:40 p.m.
Thanks Doris for the heads up – I came home from a weekend trip just in time! Is there a link from the WH or CSPAN?
Don’t know, I’m cooking and trying to watch, lol. I’m on MSNBC.
Heads up guys the President is about to speak at 8:40Pm ET/7:40Pm CT/5:40PM PT It will be aired on CNN, MSNBC, FOX. There appears to be a tentative plan on the table. Boehner is having a conference call with his caucus and Reid and Pelosi are discussing the plan with their caucuses.
Okay, was taking out the trash so missed it. was the deal $1 trilion in cuts excluding the big three and no revenues with a ceiling till 2013?
Hey Lisa, look down the thread. I explained the press conference for those who didn’t see it. 🙂
Thanks UT – your summary was VERY helpful.
PBO Live
http://www.cnn.com/video/?/tab/live
Hear that? Our phonecalls and tweets made a difference! 😀
Nothing is agreed to until EVERYTHING is agreed to.
While President Obama’s statement seems very reaonable, including TAXING THE FUCKING RICH, I still believe there will be a CLEAN BILL, and that is what the goal is.
There is no time to write detail into any “agreement” they have floating around either house right now, much less read it, pass it around, and vote on it.
Much more importantly – the GOPTeaHadists will NEVER agree to a SuperCrongress, or any tax hike. NOT. EVER.
A CLEAN BILL is an EPIC WIN no matter what the hysterical Pundit-Idocracy™ says.
How?
1. NO CUTS. Cuts would be deadly in this economy.
2. No more holding the country hostage. This will be put to bed until 2013.
3. By doing nothing….. the BUSH TAX CUTS EXPIRE.
4. Obama can introduce an EPIC Infrastructure/Jobs bill that he can beat the GOP with from now until election day.
5. The GOP/TeaHadists have shown the world:
– just how much they hate America, their Government, their fellow countrymen, science, intelligence, math, and everything the Koch Bros tell them to.
– how insane they are.
– how willfully ignorant they are.
– how full of poison they are.
– how they are finishing the work of Bin Laden.
The Dems & POTUS are ALL well aware of this list. Everything that is happening now is theatre to allow the few adutls who are left in the GOP to look respectable, and marginalize the Crazies®. So before you go jumping any Dem’s shit who votes the way you don’t like – or think they should, or says something you don’t agree with – keep the above in mind.
And remember: Nothing is agreed to until EVERYTHING is agreed to.
too much politics make me a bad typer. 😛
Awesome. I was listening to “Do You Hear the People Sing?” just the other day 😀
Me too Tally. My problem is I can’t spell anymore, lol. I look back at my posts and “WHAT” that’s not the way that’s spelled. I hope you guys forgive me. Another thing, I can’t write either. The more I’m on the internet, the worse I get. It worries me that our children are not writing in long hand. I blame my problems on age, but using the keyboard all the time does change things.
Just laughing at myself. 😀
Short and sweet. I think that the bottom line is, he got as much as he could get with the whistleheads he had to deal with. He plays a “long game” and this deal plays to that long view of restoring America. I’m in. I’ve always been in. and I work my tail off to get this man re-elected. I will also work to remind folks of what the Rethugs, Teathugs, and other hateful folks are doing, have done or tried to do this country.
and will continue to do.
Agreed – but I still don’t think it’s going through.
However, it will allow for a CLEAN FUCKING BILL.
And a clean bill, which is what was called for in the first place, will also have the effect of showing, REALLY SHOWING, what assholes, how many assholes, and what kinds of assholes we have for representatives.
If all of this hot air results in a “clean” bill to raise the debt ceiling, The political ads will have written themselves.
My strong preference is for a clean bill. But I think this bill is going through, guys.
Do you really think so Tally? Do you think it will lead to a CLEAN BILL?
Just saw the president saying a deal was struck.
Poor guy looks tired.
Now I know what he wishes for his birthday…
Some R&R.
He would probably like some reasonable Republicans…..who might put country above party. I’m sure he’ll take the rest.
If he has to intervene I hope he goes off on those dumb asses…..he certainly would be justified.
2012 let’s do our best to put more Democrats in the House, get rid of some of those radical Republicans. But do you know what, I’m not so please with the Democrats. Those Progressives Liberals are getting to the point where they are as sickening as the Tea-Party.
It is often hard to seperate the two extremes.
He had to prevent default. This just would not have been good for the country on his watch. Hate the rethugs for this made up crisis. Hate them for their hatred of our President.
President Obama just had a briefing and he said that a debt ceiling agreement had been reached and agreed upon by the leaders of both chambers. It is a two part deal. The first part cuts about $1 trillion over the next ten years. The cuts will be over ten years so that is not drastic and will not derail growth in the economy. The second part of the deal establishes a bi-partisan super committee that will recommend more spending cuts and revenues. The committee has to have a plan agreed upon and voted on before a certain date in November 2011. If they don’t, a trigger has already been set in place that will automatically increase revenue and have some tweaks to entitlement programs most likely on the provider side. The incentive to act before the trigger deadline is that the cuts and revenues will be harsh. Most of the cuts will come from Defense and that’s an incentive for the GOP to act since they looooooooooooove defense spending. The one thing the President stressed was that the second part of the deal WILL include a balanced approach; meaning cuts + revenues. The rich will be made to pay their fair share, corporate tax reforms will be made, and other tax increase tweaks. Finally, President Obama thanked the American people for their overwhelming response in terms of tweets, calls, faxes, letters and emails. He said that our voices were heard and that was what finally pushed both sides to come to a deal that would raise the debt ceiling through 2012.
Hopefully a vote occurs in both chambers tomorrow or on tuesday before the 11:59PM deadline.
Smart move by saying our voices had been heard and that it pushed both sides to come to a deal. He just laid the baby (America) in their arms.
I have to add that in most cultures there is nothing worse than a ‘child abuser’. Take care of the baby Congress.
Thank you for the excellent summary, ut.
Boehner has sent no confirmation that he has agreed.
As noted above, the President has masterfully, once again, placed the burden on the Republicans to act responsibly. They won’t. He will then defend the Constitution and the Republic.
Yes.We.Can. … DO.More.Together!
Yes. He’s pushing the bill to the caucus, saying they got almost everything they wanted. He said no tax increases.
Now the PL can push “post” on the hateful comments they had prewriiten.
I want to know how many of these Progressives went to vote in 2010? My 86 year old neighbor went to vote, even though she had trouble walking. She felt it was her duty, and she did not want the Republicans to get in control. Now if a 86 year old could do that, but these P.Liberals didn’t feel the need too. Well they need to stop their dam bitching.
Good summary utaustinliberal
Are you sure about revenue increase in the trigger? I admit I missed the President’s statement by a few minutes. It had been reported earlier that the trigger was across the board cuts and defense cuts.
As I said before UT I will take you over the MSM any day.
LOL…I’m starting to look forward to your summations.
Love it UT.
I think you’re wrong about revenue increases in the trigger.
The only version of the deal I can find is Boehner’s bullet points. If he’s correct (which is highly suspect), the deal is not as good as I originally thought. Many things that bother me a lot, but it’s Boehner’s spin to stupid people in Congress. I’ll wait for a version from our side.
But I really don’t think there are automatic revenue increases in the trigger. I don’t see that anywhere and if someone can prove to me that’s what Obama said, I’ll accept it.
There will be spending cuts in the form of defense cuts as well as revenue increases built into the trigger, that’s why democrats like Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, Dick Durbin and Patty Murray immediately signed on.
“trigger has already been set in place that will automatically increase revenue”
heh heh
I guess we will see if the Tea-publicans in the House will vote for this deal.
The RW Tea-blogs are exploding in anger right now at this deal. They say that McConnell and Boner are sell outs and need to be primaried – sound familiar?
The fact it includes REVENUES and a SuperCongress means it will set the TeaHadists’ hair on fire.
However, it will put them in a position that will FORCE them into passing a clean bill.
I had faith. That’s what listening to Can You Hear The People Sing will do 🙂
Tally, you have beautifully said it all throughout. Clean bill. Thanks for your insightfulness, Tally.HZ
((HUGS))
That is the present you’re going to get after your surgery:
A shiny CLEAN BILL!
😀 😀 😀
Did Obama say that about revenues?
Yes he mentioned revenues. Look at my press briefing summary/summations up the thread.
hey Tally – you are probably right but my gut says that bill will pass as PO described
If it does, I will be SHOCKED. 😀
As mentioned, you are probably right but my sense is that while everyone was busy hand wringing, VP Biden, POTUS and some responsible repubs were working behind the scene leading up to this but like the rest of the world, we will have to wait and see.
Pres getting another debt issue put off until 2013 is a huge win for him. The Rs really wanted to make this a campaign issue. And he looks like the only one who really wanted to save the country.
Given the CR expires at the end of September, I think there should have been some sort of extension of that in this deal. I mean now the GOP can play “What to cut now” in two months time. One OMG!!!1! deadline after another.
Please see Post #229.
They aren’t even voting until tomorrow.
And I repeat – The fact it includes REVENUES and a SuperCongress means it will set the TeaHadists’ hair on fire.
However, it will put them in a position that will FORCE them into passing a clean bill.
My mom was giving me PL bullshit about PBO governing like a repug. She was talking about comedians saying PBO is giving repugs what other repugs say they don’t need. I had to take some time to school her. I really did not like that. She’ll vote for PBO but the PL bullshit has already been infecting local stations ( she doesn’t follow cable news). I wanted to tell her I didn’t care what she thought as long as she votes come 2012, which she will. But since I’ve got to stay here till Friday and I’m definitely going to be going on and on about PBO, I wanted to clear the air and let her know what was what. I don’t like that bullshit. I can’t believe her. 😡
Awe, Lisa (((HUGS))) that sucks. I’m so sorry.
Remind her what I said above – and remind her this is the BIGGEST STRATEGY GAME EVER.
Remind her about the ClownCarCarzies…etc….. you can’t negotiate with them as you would with normal, sane people who live in a world of science and logic….
Wish you were in Cali. We’d be drinking! 😀
Wish I was in Cali too. I could use a drink, 😕
ps- thanks Tally 🙂
Lisa, I also have lots of lovely wines on my rack plus there is a lovely winery just down the street from me. We all need to get together after we re-elect POB.HZ
FUCK YES!!
I AM IN!!!!
we need to meet up in washington on inauguration day. I’ll skip my classes for that 😉
Me and Chipsticks attented the inauguration in 2009. Of course we found out we both attended through this site. And we have made a promise to meet each other at PBO’s next inauguration in 2013. The more the merrier girls!! 😀 Obama/Biden 2012!!
That’s rough Lisa. I think in time she’ll come around. Continue to keep the faith!!
OBAMA 2012!!!!
LIsa, Lisa. KEEP a roof over your head, honey. Especially since you say you have to be there until Friday… Now ain’t the time to get into arguments with the mother unit!! Just say to yourself, “Bless her heart” And then say out loud “Mom, I love you”
I remember being in an argument with my mother. I looked at her and said “well, you raised me didn’t you? Don’t you think I would think rationally about ______” She couldn’t do anything but smile and give me a hug. We both laughed and as you can see, I don’t even remember what the argument was about.
thanks isonprize. She said her piece, I said mine. I don’t know if she’s convinced but at least I’ve planted the seed. 😉
My Mom is still in President Obama’s corner. She knows who she want to vote for2012. No doubt about it. My Mom will get in your face if you try to put down our President.
She’ll vote for him come 2012. She knows just how mean I am and that I’m just petty enough to hold a grudge for 20 years, just in time to put her in a home.
OMG – HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
I needed to laugh HARD.
Merci amiga!!!
oooh – lookie me! being all multi-lingual!
I went through that with a brother after December’s compromise. He would refer to him as “your friend Obama”…..I was so mad I did not speak to him for a couple days. He would start in, I would put up my palm. He is 100 miles down the road today…..I know who he respects, it’s our President. I realized how easy it is for talking points , once ingested to be constantly parroted, ad nauseum. I was really disappointed in him as I thought his critical thinking skills were sharper than that. We are beyond that….he came around to reality. Hang in their Lisa, your Mom will come around too.
I think people need to study President Obama to understand for themselves who this man is, and the depth of his character. They will never get that from a contentious MSM. He breaks the mold, and has set a completely new standard for politicians.
he definitely breaks the mold Sue. You are totally right. My mom is hardheaded but underneath it all, she’s rooting for PBO. Her confidence in him may not be as unshakable as ours, but if there is one thing I can count on, is her absolute distaste for repugs and her support for a perceived underdog. She doesn’t really talk politics, at most, all she does is vote. At this point, all I want is her vote. I love her, but I really don’t care about her opinion in terms of PBO’s governing skills, just her vote come 2012.
We keep the peace. I hear you. It’s so easy for people to accept talking points, which considering the complexity of our problems, and the political ammunition they are designed to be, renders them seriously misleading.
Let her know we appreciate her vote.
Sue I concur. I have read some excellent books on our President by greater authors who did some excellent research with people who really knows President Obama, and you come away with a totally wonderful picture of this wonderful gift that we have been so blessed to elect as our President. I am calm about his leadership and his honesty. Just me speaking and not for anyone else. HZ
ok – totally OT (I need a break)
but……. Vin Diesel is so hot in Pitch Black.
😆
Yeah but PBO is so much hotter in front a podium!
🙂
Tally, there is one of then Senator Obama at a brunch at Oprah’s house in Cali.,standing under a tree in all black T, jacket, pants that will make you want to holler. No disrespect our beautiful First Lady and Mr. President. Just plain Fine, Fine, Fine, Fine.HZ
No doubt POTUS is HAWT HAWT HAWT.
Vin’s on the teevee right now… 😀
I’m the one who keeps saying we have a First Family of Super Models who are all Mensa Members.
I agree! 🙂
Sexy brains, sexy bodies.
Tally where is that photo posted. Lemme see it!
Sorry HZ. That post was meant for you.
Now what’s this about a photo of PBO in an al black outfit? Where is this posted?
I started clamoring for the same, thought I better get myself under control. 😉
HZ, do you have a link to that photo? I don’t believe I’ve seen a photo of PBO (then Sen. Obama) at a brunch at Oprah’s house wearing “black T, jacket, and pants.” BTW, good thing he was wearing pants. 😉
http://www.oprah.com/entertainment/The-Gospel-Brunch/12
Thanks Tally. HZ is right. That’s a fine looking photo of then Sen. Obama all donned in casual black, greeting Oprah (???) with a hug. However, I would really love to see a full length version of just him in that outfit. 😉
oh man, and the shades to top it off
he’s so hot
Tally your idea is superb…I really hope so…but I don’t trust these Teabaggers, they would prefer to go into Default than pass a clean bill:-(
Kasai. But there numbers aren’t large enough to stop a clean bill. The reasonable Republican (ain’t THAT a trip!! it’s funny to me that I can describe them as reasonable, but compared to the Teathugs, they are…) know that a ‘raising debt ceiling agreement’ must be signed. They have in fact, rallied for it, under the Bush administration.
A clean bill is all the DO have the votes for.
Thank you Isonprize 🙂
there = their. Can we rally for an edit button??? 😆 😆 😆
My fucking KINGDOM FOR AN EDIT BUTTON!!! 😆
Remarks by POTUS: (No vid yet.)
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2011/07/31/remarks-president
There are not a lot of specifics. So I can’t guarentee anything.
I was right, unfortunately: there are no revenue increases in the trigger. It’s cuts only, but includes defense cuts. God, I hope that’s enough to motivate them.
Obama did affirm what I thought was going on: he has months to virtually campaign on convincing the American people of the need for tax increases on the wealthy. He’s already started to change CW and he just needed more time to do it. Drum beat.
It’s a very Republican-happy deal. The cuts are back loaded — that’s major.
If the deal is exactly as Boehner is laying out, then it truly sucks. But it’s Boehner. He’s already been caught in one lie about current law as the baseline meaning it will be very difficult to increase taxes. The current law baseline includes the expiration of the Bush tax cuts, so he lied to his caucus of dim wits.
57andfemale… Check this out the “ImmaSmartypants” It might give you a different view… The page is titled Looking for the long game.
Looking for the “long game” (updated x 2)
There will be spending cuts in the form of defense cuts as well as revenue increases built into the trigger, that is why democrats like Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, Dick Durbin and Patty Murray immediately signed on.
Hey 57and female, from thw whitehouse website: This paragraph explains PBO’s balanced approach where taxes breaks are concerned
5. A BALANCED DEAL CONSISTENT WITH THE PRESIDENT’S COMMITMENT TO SHARED SACRIFICE
The Deal Sets the Stage for Balanced Deficit Reduction, Consistent with the President’s Values: The deal is designed to achieve balanced deficit reduction, consistent with the values the President articulated in his April Fiscal Framework. The discretionary savings are spread between both domestic and defense spending. And the President will demand that the Committee pursue a balanced deficit reduction package, where any entitlement reforms are coupled with revenue-raising tax reform that asks for the most fortunate Americans to sacrifice.
The Enforcement Mechanism Complements the Forcing Event Already In Law – the Expiration of the Bush Tax Cuts – To Create Pressure for a Balanced Deal: The Bush tax cuts expire as of 1/1/2013, the same date that the spending sequester would go into effect. These two events together will force balanced deficit reduction. Absent a balanced deal, it would enable the President to use his veto pen to ensure nearly $1 trillion in additional deficit reduction by not extending the high-income tax cuts.
Not sure what it all means yet, but we got something:
http://www.cspan.org/Events/President-Announces-Deal-With-Congressional-Leaders-on-Debt-Ceiling/10737423152-6/
Boehner is positively gloating in his selling the bill to his caucus. I hope Pelosi gets a hold of his powerpoint and tells Boehner “Since you got everything you wanted like you profess – you can supply the 217 votes as well”. Since you got everything you wanted, it’s your bill, you vote for it and own it.
Yeah, but as always, Boehner is blowing smoke. He’s just trying to keep his seat. Nancy is looking for that seat too! And I mean to work my ass off for her to get it. I think Nancy did a pretty good job of speaking her mind re: Boehner on the House floor. She’s got bigger fish to fry.
From Steve Benen at The Washington Monthly:
“Update: To clarify something important, Boehner’s presentation gives the impression that new revenue is impossible under the bipartisan congressional commission. That’s false; new revenue is possible and will be a key goal of Democratic members. Whether the revenue is likely or not is a separate question, but for those who saw that and were concerned, Boehner’s claim is just factually wrong.
Second Update: The White House has released a relatively detailed fact sheet on the debt-reduction framework, intended, at least in part, to reassure progressive critics of the plan. “
StR, you know Boehner is full of alot of crap. People will look back at this whole thing and ask the question, why did we have to go through all this? Who was the ones not willing to compromise, who was willing to destroy this country by letting it default on paying it’s bills for the first time ever. It was Boehner and the T-Republicans. Believe me there is nothing to gloat about. This whole matter was an embarrassment to our country. And it was all the T-Republicans fault.
President Obama has shown his self to be very reasonable.
I like the analogy from Smartypants above. The President is always good at the long game. The deal in December was so controversial at first until the Progressives and the left saw the end game. I believe this deal will be the same. The President is always at least five steps ahead of everyone else.
I have been reading the comments here for the past couple of days and you guys are great. However, I must commend Tally and Bobfr for their very insightful posts. I agree with Tally. All we need is a clean bill. That is all he ever really wanted or needed, because the economy is to fragile for any massive cuts right now. However, the Rethugs picked this fight and he played it with them. because he knew they would back off of real deficit reduction because they are really full of S***! This whole exercise has been a a bad theatrical performance by the Republicans that has shown them to be the idiots we all know them to be. And by the way, the Bush Tax cuts expire at the end of 2012 anyway, so all PBO and the Dems have to do is let them expire. However, I also agree with Bobfr in that if the idiots don’t pass it, the POTUS will invoke the 14th, if he has to because I believe that he will do what ever he has to do in the best interest of the country. So to all of you, this is a win for the POTUS, I don’t care what the msn or PL have to say about it. I will repeat what I have said all the time, we have to trust the president. I am 66 years of age and this is the 1st president that I really trust. I voted for him and I intend to vote for him again. So everybody just chill out. He’s got this.
THANK BABE!!!
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I agree 100%. 😀
WHERE IS MY EDIT BUTTON?????? THANKSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
I should go play World of Warcraft.
Thanks you also Tally. I concur with Senior4Obama. I am one also. I have appreciated Chipsticks making your commentary and Bobfr’s commentary on this site upfront. We have so much to be grateful for on this site. I continue to thank all of you, and I thank Chipsticks especially for her labor to make this a beautiful have for the TOD Family.
Chips is a GODDESS.
I’d be lost with my TOD family!!
meant to say haven. I better say good night to my TOD Family and Chipsticks because I am making too many mistakes. I was trying to hang with it to keep my mind off of the pain, but it is winning right at this moment. So I will put so more candles on, a little music, and much prayer to get myself centered. Tally, thanks for the thought of me getting my Clean Bill Tues. morning as I go into surgery at 11:30. I love you all so much. HZ
Best of luck to you HZ. Hoping everything goes well and you’ll be back likity split, giving us encouragement and wisdom. 🙂
I agree with you Senior4Obama.
Chips – thanks for being steady in your support for this President. This blog has been a refuge.
The Progressive Caucas is upset because. Please show me why they are so upset. And what would they have done?
Don’t think there will be a clean bill; the compromise will pass. Clean bill does not reassure the markets about US commitment to address long-term debt and could result in more capital outflow (as China and others invest in Germany and safer markets). Given the commotion over raising the debt ceiling it is important to show that some compromise can be arrived at on this issue. If we elect strong majorities to Congress in 2012 the game changes January 2013.
The Progressives need to remember the Bush tax cuts end in 2013, and taxes will go back to what they were when Clinton was President. Now if some Republican is in the White House, what do you think they will do? So they need to get their act together and help re-elect this President. Stop acting like a bunch of rotten babies.